My theory is that the people of Khaenri'ah were immortalized to keep the souls of an entire nation of people tainted with huge amounts of Forbidden Knowledge from entering the Leylines and corrupting the Irminsul.
@AruHiseki That's why I'm thinking that the Loom of Fate plan is to make a new Leyline Network/Irminsul that can process Abyssal Energy, thereby meaning that Knowledge no longer Forbidden, and allowing the Khaenri'ahns to die and be reborn, though that would probably require destroying the current Irminsul and replacing it since you will basically be altering the very fabric of Teyvat's reality by integrating Abyssal Energy to it.
By the way Capitano puts it, it almost feels like the Tsaritsa's plan doesn't necessarily hinge on the Gnosis, like they're a need not a necessity because let's assume Capitano was able to get the Gnosis there's no guarantee that it would be usable after saving Natlan he himself confirms that. So then what's the point of the Gnosis supposed to be. The abyss's way is more logical then we think just as we saw in the Interlude and as Mualani put it. It adapts based on the situation and the for it's facing. The first 2 patients were weak willed and gave up almost immediately so past trauma was all it took to deal with them but the 3rd guy was strong willed and powerful so the abyss created a false situation a hopeless one at that where he's the only one left I can't be sure if it was in a story or an event but I think it was mentioned or hinted once that it was Hermanubius' god residue that was injected in Collei I think I'm not exactly sure What if Gods don't go into the leylines after death? They die in the truest sense of the word thus the excess release of elemental power after their deaths
The Lord of the night kingdom is definitely wrong about the travellers ability to manipulate death. If they can manipulate faith itself they can make it that someone is destined to die overriding the shade of deaths ability to grant immortality.
So does that mean when Childe was able to hone his abyssal power instead of succumbing to the corruption syndrome it’s the same thing as using “power from beyond the stars”? Or are those two separate things?
While Abyss is beyond the false sky (and thus, beyond the stars on it), it is not clear if what Dainsleif has is Abyssal power. It might be something entirely different. Perhaps power of the Traveler's twin.
I have a question about the last interlude archon quest or if anybody can answer this please do, so capitano said guthred the guy who possesed ororon during act 4 is also the guy who invented the draught of lucidity potion for abyss mind corruption and capitano said he died because he tested the drug on himself to invented it but how can he die tho? Like from what I know all pure blood khaenrians are immortal and guthred eyes seems pure blood and he's also a quite high ranking knight so why he can die and capitano just say it easy like that? Because khaenrians cant die right? Even capitano body already rots but he cant die and clothar is an exception because the game explitcitly tells clothar died is a mystery (sry for bad en)
@@jamahldavis5078 Ikr! Because from what I know khaenrians can die if they already went through abyssal process or they already turned to a monster like abyss lector, sepent knight etc I know halfdan dains friend in the chasm quest die because of the light and aru made a connection with the light in the chasm is the source of the drought of lucidity but I just baffled how capitano said it in the quest so casually like guthred wasnt an khaenrian like him this part is worse because after that he talks about the source of khaenrians curse and how he look like when he open his mask is this an mistake on devs side or what? I dont know man the whole interlude quest seems half baked to me its not bad bad It's still nice and hey we get dragon lore and really good area but I can see how rushed it is with this interlude
@@sunglassfrog89Maybe he died before the curse of immortality was inflicted on them? From what I remember he did say that he invented it while they were fighting the abyss so I guess the curse was inflicted after the abyss was brought under control?
This is my prediction for 5.3. I think the captain is gonna merge his sole with all the dead khaenriahns and attain his youth so he can kill the God of death
@@Nationalist166 Shades are elusive and powerful, but we have no reasons to believe they can't be killed. At least, I don't think dragons would have fought them if they knew Shades are invincible. Killing a Shade with power over death, though, might be tricky. That would probably need to exhaust her energy first.
@@kotarouinugami1745 Technically yes, they can be killed, i should have worded it better, however Capitano right now or even in his prime is NOT going to kill a Shade, that would literally broke the power scaling of this game and the Khaenri'ahn cataclysm would make no sense if they literally have like 7 Shade killers in their ranks: Capitano, Dainsleif, Five sinners and they still lost, while it's obvious, i should remind you that a Shade is far stronger than a normal god in every ways possible, in fact all created life is thanks to them other than the PO and they're the reason Khaenri'ahns even exist
The metaphor of the garden doesn't make much sense, because what kind of gardener makes weeds immortal? Unless Khaenri'ans dying somehow makes their god stronger or something. But they don't have a god (unless there is such a god, but they are forgotten like Rukkadevata or Istaroth).
If i had to guess? Abyssal corruption . and forbidden knowledge. We know that abyssal corruption was rampant 500 years ago. We know that the leyline are in theory are a memory/elemental energy laundering machine so that the circle of life keeps going as a side effect. Now imagine a sudden influx of highly abyssal corrupted souls are suddenly about to be induced into the system. it could simply be a pragmatic choice at that point to simply gatekeep them. keep them out. what happened to them afterwards is irrelevant, in the great shame of thing.
So the problem I have with all this (and I've seen it suggested in other places) is that we're pitting what Capitano says about Ronova against what the Lord of Night said about her and concluding that Capitano is completely right and Lord of Night is completely wrong. They are describing her in exact opposite ways and you're saying Capitano 100%, lord of Night 0%. And you're doing it without ever recognizing that you're taking sides. I have the opposite take. I think Lord of Night is 100% correct and Capitano is a human and doesn't really know Ronova well at all. Maybe he's guessing. Maybe he's assuming the gods all suck so Ronova must suck too. I don't know why he's so wrong but it feels a lot more likely to me. Especially as Lord of the Night's take is in line with what every other source about the Primordial One's feelings about humanity are said to be. Namely that the PO loves humanity. Capitano's take is pretty much that Ronova on behalf of the PO kinda hates humanity and treats them like a science experiment. In case you forgot the attitude of Ronova that Lord of the Night report is this: Ronova doesn't call winners and losers. Ronovoa doesn't care when or how you die. Ronova cares about one thing only; and that is THAT you die. Capitano says the EXACT opposite. He says Ronova acted to make sure a bunch of people never die and that she calls winners and losers ("weeds" and "flowers").
its not so much as who was right or wrong. but more like, Ronova has the power to do it, and she did. but why? Khaenriahs curse is a bit interesting since their rule of death is the same as what hilichirls faced thousands of years ago already, even before Cataclysm. So I thought that its be up to Khaenriah's survivors to decipher what Ronovas powers over death really was meant for. Ronova cant exactly tell or share her power or her secrets so easily. which is how she led herself to self pity at some point in time.
@@AruHiseki I think the Khaenri'ahns blaming 'the gods" for the Curse is misdirection. It feels like the whole "Visions are from the archons" stuff we were fed for a long time. Yes it was repeatedly stated but it was stated by people who didn't know the truth. And it felt off since v1.0 As you say Khaenri'ah is not the first mass Hilichurlification (Gurabad is) and maybe Ochkanatlan was another. Neither seem to have anything to do with Celestia, and Gurabad is before the Archons exist. Dain says it's the gods but then he also says he knows more about the Curse than anyone and we're quickly shown that's false information. The Sibling/Abyss Order knows more and instead of going on about how it's impossible they manage to de-Curse Caribert and Chlothar. Arguably Halfdan too. But when offered the chance to dish on the Heavenly Principles Sibling seems to demur. They do say HP is responsible for Caribert in some sense, but it doesn't feel quite as simple as "they did it". Gurabad and Ochkanatlan are certainly Abyss associated and it's always felt like the Curse is Abyssal not Celestial. But why are these old Khaenri'ahns so sure it's "the gods"? From Perinheri the idea of "the Curse is known to happen because of X" is raised. But it's another misdirect. We're told that Khaenri'ahns at the time of the Cataclysm did not know they were Cursed. They are turning into Hilichurls and asking is this a disease? it's treated as a medical condition. Nobody says at any time "Hey if we go up to Teyvat won't we all turn into Hilichurls?" It doesn't seem that the Curse is even secretly known to the highest ranks or surely they'd have blocked the mass evacuation. So how do they go from massive surprise to feeling they know exactly what the Curse is and what caused it? And it's not like the Curse can be a punishment by "the gods". Not only did Gurabad and Ochkanatlan not do what Khaenri'ah did, but in no case did the gods ever say "we're Cursing you because you did X so don't do that again". Gurabad was called a pestilence. Shiruyeh's plague. Even if it isn't a punishment but was just some necessary remedy for a situation that caused the gods to do it, you'd think the gods would say "we're not angry at you but don't do this again or we'll have to Hilichurlify you all again". Remember that the gods supposedly love humanity. Capitano says he knows Ronova's rules and that he knows her rule of doing stuff is that the payment is always death. He doesn't say that her payment sometimes means you end up immortal. So if all the people he knows are immortal and haven't died does that mean he's never seen Ronova exact a payment? So why does he know about her payments always being death? Something funny is going on there. Plus if immortality is your problem, isn't death a positive? Plus if his metaphor means he thinks Ronova sees Khaenri'ahns as "weeds" not only is immortality counter-productive as you say, but also why was Khaenri'ah left to grow for thousands and thousands and thousands of years until it was by far the most powerful and advanced human civilization? That's some terrible "weeding". Plus it was the Abyss that took them down. If anyone is "weeding" it feels more like the Abyss. Arguably the Abyss weeds out the weak and leaves the strong but in practice it seems to kill the strong almost as often. Thinking back to Dainsleif's 3 questions to Traveler the first answer to the 3rd question isn't "Khaenri'ahns suck" but if people with Visions are the "flowers" and the rest are "weeds" it does fit. I believe the first answer in each of the three sets is the answer that the Primordial One might give, the 2nd the Abyss and the 3rd the Traveler (each being a Descender - in effect Dain is asking which philosophical side is Traveler on). "Those without Visions" according to Rene at least could mean those not wanting to be too tied to fate (and not just 99% of ordinary boring people - I allow for some poetic interpretation of the answers and aren't too literal). Dainsleif: Now for my final question. Dainsleif: This world has people who gained Visions, and those who did not. Dainsleif: Which of the two do you think hold more importance in the eyes of the gods? Traveler: Those with Visions. Traveler: Those without Visions. Traveler: Perhaps... none of them do. Note that the 3rd answers must be chosen to be credited as "just like the Sibling".
sorry, "and the 3rd the Traveler (each being a Descender..." should be "and the 3rd the 3rd Descender who has a middle ground approach (each being a Descender..." I just think it's also the Twin's answer and it is the Sibling answer. But the game lets you pick if you want to be like sibling or not.
My theory is that the people of Khaenri'ah were immortalized to keep the souls of an entire nation of people tainted with huge amounts of Forbidden Knowledge from entering the Leylines and corrupting the Irminsul.
cant have tainted souls in the Irminsul 😢.
@AruHiseki That's why I'm thinking that the Loom of Fate plan is to make a new Leyline Network/Irminsul that can process Abyssal Energy, thereby meaning that Knowledge no longer Forbidden, and allowing the Khaenri'ahns to die and be reborn, though that would probably require destroying the current Irminsul and replacing it since you will basically be altering the very fabric of Teyvat's reality by integrating Abyssal Energy to it.
@@lnsflare1Actual peak
Came to the comments to say the same thing lol. With that theory, it makes Celestia less of a villain. Kind of how we view the fatui now
Childes dad also suffers from migraines which is a pretty interesting detail
it runs in the family i guess 😅
Lets out a cool grunt
Lighter looking ass
By the way Capitano puts it, it almost feels like the Tsaritsa's plan doesn't necessarily hinge on the Gnosis, like they're a need not a necessity because let's assume Capitano was able to get the Gnosis there's no guarantee that it would be usable after saving Natlan he himself confirms that. So then what's the point of the Gnosis supposed to be.
The abyss's way is more logical then we think just as we saw in the Interlude and as Mualani put it. It adapts based on the situation and the for it's facing. The first 2 patients were weak willed and gave up almost immediately so past trauma was all it took to deal with them but the 3rd guy was strong willed and powerful so the abyss created a false situation a hopeless one at that where he's the only one left
I can't be sure if it was in a story or an event but I think it was mentioned or hinted once that it was Hermanubius' god residue that was injected in Collei I think I'm not exactly sure
What if Gods don't go into the leylines after death? They die in the truest sense of the word thus the excess release of elemental power after their deaths
And the Hydro gnosis hold no value as it's power was handed over to the dragon sovereign, so what purpose does it hold to her?
@@obsidianstar9089no? Neuvillette got his authority back from the archon throne and gnosis made from 3rd descender remains which still have value
@@obsidianstar9089 The hydro throne gives Neuv power not the gnosis
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw They destroyed the Hydro throne tho, making the gnosis almost usless, and returning the power to the original owner (Hydro Dragon)
@@obsidianstar9089 Gnosis is seperate from it. Its just remains of the 3rd descender ,nothing to do with the throne
its a great night to end with your video! thanks for your hard work as well Aru!
Im glad I could end your peaceful night with my mad ravings. 😅
Great vids! I enjoyed watching this during my lunch~
The Lord of the night kingdom is definitely wrong about the travellers ability to manipulate death. If they can manipulate faith itself they can make it that someone is destined to die overriding the shade of deaths ability to grant immortality.
When you're in a shipping competition and your opponent is the Genshin VA's and... lore youtubers? (Had to quote the meme)
Aruuuuuuu Content hurray!!
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Anyone know the song from 3:02 to 4:30? Aru has been using it a lot and its driving me insane trying to find it
it's Inheritance of an Ancient Name from the Natlan OST
@wolfstar_childThanks, almost no one replies to "What's this song?" comments
So does that mean when Childe was able to hone his abyssal power instead of succumbing to the corruption syndrome it’s the same thing as using “power from beyond the stars”? Or are those two separate things?
While Abyss is beyond the false sky (and thus, beyond the stars on it), it is not clear if what Dainsleif has is Abyssal power. It might be something entirely different. Perhaps power of the Traveler's twin.
I have a question about the last interlude archon quest or if anybody can answer this please do, so capitano said guthred the guy who possesed ororon during act 4 is also the guy who invented the draught of lucidity potion for abyss mind corruption and capitano said he died because he tested the drug on himself to invented it but how can he die tho? Like from what I know all pure blood khaenrians are immortal and guthred eyes seems pure blood and he's also a quite high ranking knight so why he can die and capitano just say it easy like that? Because khaenrians cant die right? Even capitano body already rots but he cant die and clothar is an exception because the game explitcitly tells clothar died is a mystery (sry for bad en)
I don’t got an answer for this but I was wondering this too
I don’t got an answer for this but I was wondering this too
@@jamahldavis5078 Ikr! Because from what I know khaenrians can die if they already went through abyssal process or they already turned to a monster like abyss lector, sepent knight etc I know halfdan dains friend in the chasm quest die because of the light and aru made a connection with the light in the chasm is the source of the drought of lucidity but I just baffled how capitano said it in the quest so casually like guthred wasnt an khaenrian like him this part is worse because after that he talks about the source of khaenrians curse and how he look like when he open his mask is this an mistake on devs side or what? I dont know man the whole interlude quest seems half baked to me its not bad bad It's still nice and hey we get dragon lore and really good area but I can see how rushed it is with this interlude
@@sunglassfrog89Maybe he died before the curse of immortality was inflicted on them? From what I remember he did say that he invented it while they were fighting the abyss so I guess the curse was inflicted after the abyss was brought under control?
Immortality doesn’t equal Invincibility so…
Love the CapriSun crumbs
This is my prediction for 5.3. I think the captain is gonna merge his sole with all the dead khaenriahns and attain his youth so he can kill the God of death
How does this work ? And the Shade of death is a concept of Teyvat she can't be killed
@@Nationalist166 Shades are elusive and powerful, but we have no reasons to believe they can't be killed. At least, I don't think dragons would have fought them if they knew Shades are invincible.
Killing a Shade with power over death, though, might be tricky. That would probably need to exhaust her energy first.
@@kotarouinugami1745 Technically yes, they can be killed, i should have worded it better, however Capitano right now or even in his prime is NOT going to kill a Shade, that would literally broke the power scaling of this game and the Khaenri'ahn cataclysm would make no sense if they literally have like 7 Shade killers in their ranks: Capitano, Dainsleif, Five sinners and they still lost, while it's obvious, i should remind you that a Shade is far stronger than a normal god in every ways possible, in fact all created life is thanks to them other than the PO and they're the reason Khaenri'ahns even exist
@Nationalist166 Well, who says that Xbalanque can't help in the fight he killed a sovereign and also should have some of the shade of death's powers
@WayneZvidza-qh2dp Xbalanque is certainly powerful, but I don't think he would fight Ronova. They seemed to get along pretty well.
The metaphor of the garden doesn't make much sense, because what kind of gardener makes weeds immortal? Unless Khaenri'ans dying somehow makes their god stronger or something. But they don't have a god (unless there is such a god, but they are forgotten like Rukkadevata or Istaroth).
If i had to guess? Abyssal corruption . and forbidden knowledge.
We know that abyssal corruption was rampant 500 years ago. We know that the leyline are in theory are a memory/elemental energy laundering machine so that the circle of life keeps going as a side effect.
Now imagine a sudden influx of highly abyssal corrupted souls are suddenly about to be induced into the system. it could simply be a pragmatic choice at that point to simply gatekeep them. keep them out. what happened to them afterwards is irrelevant, in the great shame of thing.
So what you're basically saying is... we're going a foul legacy MC..... Maybe our twin has a foul legacy and we fight them at the end.
Napapansin ko sa boses ni kapitano ay near voice of youtuber corpse husband
Did see you in Ashikai x roozevelt chat
i was never there 🤫. hope you enjoyed their stream tho!
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So the problem I have with all this (and I've seen it suggested in other places) is that we're pitting what Capitano says about Ronova against what the Lord of Night said about her and concluding that Capitano is completely right and Lord of Night is completely wrong. They are describing her in exact opposite ways and you're saying Capitano 100%, lord of Night 0%. And you're doing it without ever recognizing that you're taking sides.
I have the opposite take. I think Lord of Night is 100% correct and Capitano is a human and doesn't really know Ronova well at all. Maybe he's guessing. Maybe he's assuming the gods all suck so Ronova must suck too. I don't know why he's so wrong but it feels a lot more likely to me. Especially as Lord of the Night's take is in line with what every other source about the Primordial One's feelings about humanity are said to be. Namely that the PO loves humanity. Capitano's take is pretty much that Ronova on behalf of the PO kinda hates humanity and treats them like a science experiment.
In case you forgot the attitude of Ronova that Lord of the Night report is this: Ronova doesn't call winners and losers. Ronovoa doesn't care when or how you die. Ronova cares about one thing only; and that is THAT you die. Capitano says the EXACT opposite. He says Ronova acted to make sure a bunch of people never die and that she calls winners and losers ("weeds" and "flowers").
its not so much as who was right or wrong. but more like, Ronova has the power to do it, and she did. but why?
Khaenriahs curse is a bit interesting since their rule of death is the same as what hilichirls faced thousands of years ago already, even before Cataclysm. So I thought that its be up to Khaenriah's survivors to decipher what Ronovas powers over death really was meant for. Ronova cant exactly tell or share her power or her secrets so easily. which is how she led herself to self pity at some point in time.
@@AruHiseki I think the Khaenri'ahns blaming 'the gods" for the Curse is misdirection. It feels like the whole "Visions are from the archons" stuff we were fed for a long time. Yes it was repeatedly stated but it was stated by people who didn't know the truth. And it felt off since v1.0 As you say Khaenri'ah is not the first mass Hilichurlification (Gurabad is) and maybe Ochkanatlan was another. Neither seem to have anything to do with Celestia, and Gurabad is before the Archons exist.
Dain says it's the gods but then he also says he knows more about the Curse than anyone and we're quickly shown that's false information. The Sibling/Abyss Order knows more and instead of going on about how it's impossible they manage to de-Curse Caribert and Chlothar. Arguably Halfdan too. But when offered the chance to dish on the Heavenly Principles Sibling seems to demur. They do say HP is responsible for Caribert in some sense, but it doesn't feel quite as simple as "they did it".
Gurabad and Ochkanatlan are certainly Abyss associated and it's always felt like the Curse is Abyssal not Celestial.
But why are these old Khaenri'ahns so sure it's "the gods"? From Perinheri the idea of "the Curse is known to happen because of X" is raised. But it's another misdirect. We're told that Khaenri'ahns at the time of the Cataclysm did not know they were Cursed. They are turning into Hilichurls and asking is this a disease? it's treated as a medical condition. Nobody says at any time "Hey if we go up to Teyvat won't we all turn into Hilichurls?" It doesn't seem that the Curse is even secretly known to the highest ranks or surely they'd have blocked the mass evacuation. So how do they go from massive surprise to feeling they know exactly what the Curse is and what caused it?
And it's not like the Curse can be a punishment by "the gods". Not only did Gurabad and Ochkanatlan not do what Khaenri'ah did, but in no case did the gods ever say "we're Cursing you because you did X so don't do that again". Gurabad was called a pestilence. Shiruyeh's plague. Even if it isn't a punishment but was just some necessary remedy for a situation that caused the gods to do it, you'd think the gods would say "we're not angry at you but don't do this again or we'll have to Hilichurlify you all again". Remember that the gods supposedly love humanity.
Capitano says he knows Ronova's rules and that he knows her rule of doing stuff is that the payment is always death. He doesn't say that her payment sometimes means you end up immortal. So if all the people he knows are immortal and haven't died does that mean he's never seen Ronova exact a payment? So why does he know about her payments always being death? Something funny is going on there. Plus if immortality is your problem, isn't death a positive? Plus if his metaphor means he thinks Ronova sees Khaenri'ahns as "weeds" not only is immortality counter-productive as you say, but also why was Khaenri'ah left to grow for thousands and thousands and thousands of years until it was by far the most powerful and advanced human civilization? That's some terrible "weeding". Plus it was the Abyss that took them down. If anyone is "weeding" it feels more like the Abyss. Arguably the Abyss weeds out the weak and leaves the strong but in practice it seems to kill the strong almost as often.
Thinking back to Dainsleif's 3 questions to Traveler the first answer to the 3rd question isn't "Khaenri'ahns suck" but if people with Visions are the "flowers" and the rest are "weeds" it does fit. I believe the first answer in each of the three sets is the answer that the Primordial One might give, the 2nd the Abyss and the 3rd the Traveler (each being a Descender - in effect Dain is asking which philosophical side is Traveler on). "Those without Visions" according to Rene at least could mean those not wanting to be too tied to fate (and not just 99% of ordinary boring people - I allow for some poetic interpretation of the answers and aren't too literal).
Dainsleif: Now for my final question.
Dainsleif: This world has people who gained Visions, and those who did not.
Dainsleif: Which of the two do you think hold more importance in the eyes of the gods?
Traveler: Those with Visions.
Traveler: Those without Visions.
Traveler: Perhaps... none of them do.
Note that the 3rd answers must be chosen to be credited as "just like the Sibling".
sorry,
"and the 3rd the Traveler (each being a Descender..."
should be "and the 3rd the 3rd Descender who has a middle ground approach (each being a Descender..."
I just think it's also the Twin's answer and it is the Sibling answer. But the game lets you pick if you want to be like sibling or not.
Bro you high
just like ochkanatlan
Hiiiii
When capitano dies im gonna Fortnite dance on all rhe "capitano mains"
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