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Following most of your tips on Doom Eternal lead me to accomplish something I didn't even know I could do : finish Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and the fucking DLC in nightmare difficulties. You would have asked me just a few month ago and I would have say "nah, nightmare is too hard for me, I just want some fun", but now I got gud, so gud in fact that I'm having fun ONLY in nightmare difficulty now! It's very rewarding to see how my gameplay got very intense and funnier than before simply by mastering the quick swapping weapons and have a real use of my whole arsenal, something I thought was just completely out of my league! Thank you for that!
Same here. Still don't have the gumption for Ultra Nightmare on PS4, but I am much closer! This channel and Cynic The Original have really helped me love these games all the more, as well as the confidence to play, and win, on Nightmare.
I want to hear Mayo give me life advice in his typical style, like: "So you're at an interview, you go in with a joke to break the ice, you quick swap to talking about your qualifications for an easy combo, then you finish it off with a discussion of your strengths to seal the deal; but the interviewer counters with a question about your weaknesses, so you stun them with a remote discussion of a flaw that's actually a strength, and you go in for the glory kill with an anecdote from a past project."
Hear, hear. Mayo, you are a man of good faith and integrity - and I value your commitment to being a positive part of this community. Not enough people recognize the responsibility that comes with having a platform, but you consistently demonstrate the ability to handle it with style and grace. Every time I see one of your videos, I see an earnest, thoughtful man, contributing to a wonderful community that he helped to build. Keep up the good work.
@TwistedGamer I rewatched the video with your critisicm in mind and I honestly couldn't find any point in the video where it applies. Can you point out what exactly Mayo said that is "preachy" to you? I also found no mention of 2016, let alone any statements that could be considered "demeaning", so please, show me what lead you to come to that conclusion. Edit: I did find one mention of 2016 at the very start of the video, but I didn't notice any others. And I certainly don't see how what Mayo said at the start demeans 2016. Please help me out to understand what you meant by that.
@@shmekelfreckles8157 not a lot of people use it. they're too afraid of the scary charge up time ooooooooooo. that's how. I don't understand it either. maybe not everyone is as badass as we are in this thread lmao.
Grenades/Ice Bomb+charged-up Destroyer Blade is the best way to deal with the cloaked Whiplashes. I swear, this mod is addictive once you know how to use it.
"What makes you a good player is understanding your playstyle and using the tools that help that playstyle and finding success in it". Truer words have never been spoken.
On the subject of wepon mods if you use the equipment fiend rune and miss your flame belch if you have the flaming meat hook it will count as a kill with the flame belch and will help recharge it
I'm surprised more people don't use equipment fiend, I literally have never taken it off, I like spamming equipment and always having something ready other than guns
Agreed. "The UV players of today are the Nightmare & Ultra-Nightmare players of tomorrow" - Hugo Martin Same thing can be said about the even lower difficulty :)
@@garrettk7166 My current playthrough is Ultra Violence (which im going to 100% all secret items, weapon points, suit tokens, sentinel batteries, Empreyran keys for the Unmayker, Secret Enounters, Weapon Mods and Masteries, and stuff on) I have started a Nightmare playthrough on the side that ill get back to after I finish the UV one
Most of us only make fun of the people who quit cause they say its to hard on "im too young to die" lets be real if u cant beat Doom on the lowest difficulty the FPS genre isnt for you.
This video kinda feels like old Mayo content, like in the beggining of Eternal and I kinda feel nostalgic about it. As always I'm really thankful for your contribution to the DOOM community.
I like how most people are talking about like oh this and that like this weapon combo and this mod combo is the best but No one is talking about Mod switching mid combat are use it a lot and to be honest it save my skin many many times
I'm currently doing an unfavored mods run to better acclimate myself to things like Micro Missiles and the Energy Shield (also Ice Bomb only cuz I prefer Frags), and when I'm done with that I'm gonna hone my mod switching and grenade toggling until I'm using all my possible options at any given moment.
I'd love mayo to spend a bit of time playing eternal on console and then give us his thoughts on viable strategies/weapon combos. I'm sure plenty of mayo/console fans would love that!
Well you can do basically any combos he already listed just not as fast. Hes done videos on micromissiles, full auto.. those work well on controller because they don’t require fast switching or precision aim
Console is not too different from PC, just a teeny bit slower. You can still quickswap but it isn't as fast as you'd have to open the wheel for a split second to go to the next weapon, but its still possible.
@@ringo7395 Yes but that costs your accuracy, since you use the analog stick you aim with to choose what weapon you want. On mouse and keyboard, all the weapons can be bound to whatever key you want, and whilst you are switching weapons, you still have full control over aim with the mouse. It is far more viable to just do ballista/ssg, pb/rocket and ballista/pb on console, rather than going ballista/pb/rocket, since that would require using the wheel to switch weapons.
As a pc player who tried a campaign using a gamepad, basically any sustained-fire mod is great--Full Auto, Micro Missiles, Mobile Turret. Hell, you don't even need to quickswap to kill things well. You can stay on SSG or rocket launcher for several seconds and kill them just fine. Oh, and Microwave Beam is always great to hold a problematic enemy in place with to let you get your bearings.
I don't know how the destroyer blade went under the radar for so many. You have to charge arbalest as well, and destroyer blade is like a miniature BFG shot.
Too slow. Many players are at a high state of panic for a lack of a better word. Standing still or not being able to move around as fast as possible is nerve racking which is why I seldom use it myself.
@@Demonstormlord do you use it for anything other than fliers? Honestly can't tell if the charge time is worth it against anything that's not a meatball and I like Pain Elementals so I like to fight them for a little longer than 3 Arbalest shots.
Today I had a weird ass dream where I was on a beach swimming and when I was done swimming I went to go get a towel to dry off and I looked at the towel it was white and it had your logo on it and I woke up.
I am a super casual when it comes to FPS games and I love DOOM Eternal. I bought the game day 1 and also felt that sense of being overwhelmed by all the fighting mechanics and emphasis on resource management. Though I didn't feel the game was too hard, it definitely intimidated this gamer that spends most of his time in sandboxes or RPGs. I would just occasionally play the first few levels over and over to get my fix of bloody demon slaying and that's all I ever wanted from the game. I approach my games differently than a lot of gamers. I like to take my time, so that's how I approached DOOM Eternal. Over this last year I watched videos of people ragging on the Marauders and it put me off on pushing through the main campaign, figuring I would have to get real GUD to beat this game without cheats even on easy mode. Then I started watching your videos and any others I could find that didn't sound like a b*tch session about the game, and it reignited my interest in the game. I'm having a blast learning how to meat hook better and just get better at the DOOM dance in general. I'm still at the "Supershotgun/Ballista" or "Supershotgun/Rocket" combo level of game play, but that's enough for this low-tier player to wreck a Marauder when I get him in my sights. Thanks for all the pointers, Mayo! Keep up the good work!
@Cynic Let me charge ny Bloodpunch and I'll be right back. :) Seriously, next time you play TAG1, kill a fodder with the Heavy Cannon and then empty the charged up Micromissiles at a Tyrant. Brutally effective.
Yeah, when i started playing DOOM Eternal when it first came out, I never thought I'd EVER use the Microwave beam, or the Destroyer blade. I thought they were too slow and would get me killed half the time. But look at me now! Using the aforementioned mods OVER the Heatblast and the Arballist. I never used the Microwave beam before the release of The Ancient Gods Pt. 1, but that DLC made my eyes open to possibilities and potential of the Microwave beam. You can use this thing to make sure that a dangerous demon stays in place, (This mod is the only way to keep a possessed demon in place) even if you just use it for a split second It can be used on a low health Heavy/Super Heavy to finish them off as well as causing massive damage to demons around them AND falter them. When it's fully upgraded, the range on this thing is NUTS, I mean, you can melt a demon from the safety of a high/far off platform. And the Destroyer blade? HOLY SHIT, WAS I MISSING OUT! This mod is the most flexible, high damaging, most useful mod I have ever used in this game Before it's fully upgraded, its use is admittedly very niche. But once you get the mastery upgrade? OOOOOOH BOY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FUN TIME! Even before it's fully upgraded, it's still very useful in a handful of situations, such as. A large group of demons bunched up in a way that the blade can take them all out (or close) in a single shot. But once you do get the mastery, that's where the flexibility come through. Each charge has their own different damage numbers, costs, and blade lengths. Charge one costs 16 Plasma cells, but does the same damage as a regular shot from the Ballista that costs 25 cells, and the length of the blade isn't very wide and leaves a lot to be desired. Charge one can weirdly kill Prowlers and Carcasses in a single shot where the regular shot cannot. I use this charge against large groups of fodder demons and/or Prowlers and/or Carcasses. Charge two costs 33 cells, and does the same amount of damage as an Arballist shot. The length of the blade is much wider and can cover a lot more ground than charge one. Honestly this my least used shot from the Destroyer blade, but it's still very useful against mid tier demons such as Revenants, Hell Knights, and especially Whiplashes (it can put Whiplashes in a stagger state alone). Charge three costs 50 cells, and is the most damaging single shot weapon in the entire game I'm convinced (even beating out the Super Shotgun), and the length of the blade is VERY wide, it covers A LOT of ground. This bad boy can put every heavy demon to shame (except the Pain Elemental which I will get into later) and puts most of the Super Heavies on the ropes, I mean you can use this monster against a frozen Archvile, and they'll be a Super Shotgun shot and a quick rocket close to death. I LOVE the Destroyer blade so much, and I am SHOCKED it took me as long as I did to use it, because if it's used correctly, it completely and utterly destroys certain encounters, but i guess that's its downside, if it's used incorrectly or inefficiently, the demons will punish you hard (especially on Nightmare). Side note: The Pain Elemental is shockingly resilient to the Destroyer blade, kinda surprising considering that they are weak against the Ballista and Arballist, but i don't recall ever seeing in the codex that they're weak to the Destroyer blade so i guess i shouldn't be surprised. Side note 2: Don't use the Destroyer blade against Marauders, they block it every time even if you shoot at them when their eyes are green, so if you wish you could always switch to the Arballist when a Marauder shows up. In conclusion. These mods are great, USE EM! Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention my opinion on the Micro Missiles, Lock-on Rockets, and the Energy Shield I don't use the Micro Missiles, not because they're bad, it's just... PRECISION BOLT + ROCKET LAUNCHER COMBO IS SO SATISFYING AND SO GOOOOOOD! I don't use Lock-on Rockets because it's way too easy and powerful to use, and my muscle memory is used to pulling out the Remote Detonate to falter demons that are getting just a bit too close (or using it to setup a blood punch against a Cyber Mancubus). As for the Energy Shield... It's literally just on demand god mode, and the fact that the Mobile Turret gets beat out in terms of damage just because I started bumping into demons as well as shooting them is just dumb for me. Way to easy to use, and you're literally invincible while doing it.
Update on my opinion of the Energy Shield and another part on my opinion about the Lock-on Rockets. I like using the Energy Shield now because it actually gives me a reason to use the Chaingun, because when I was a avid user of the Mobile Turret I rarely used it. But I still actively stop myself from dashing into enemies while I'm shooting, because I still think it's dumb that it out damages the Mobile Turret (and that it hard falters heavy demons for some fucking reason). Another reason why I don't use the Lock-on Rockets is because it takes up way to much ammo for my taste, and that's pretty much it.
@@Marzo7866 IK its a year later so idk if you still play DE but a fun way to use the energy shield is shield projectile quicklaunch combos. Arbalest -> pull out chaingun and put shield up immediately before it blows up -> shoot until you can launch shield -> launch shield. Arbalest explosion fills the meter for dmg required to launch shield projectile. If you're doing this against a pain elemental, you can shoot the shield off legit almost instantly, and if you follow it up with a rocket, he'll stagger. Ballista primary or meathook->dead-on SSG blast will either stagger or kill him. Cant tell if it was imperfect SSG blasts or shooting him with more/less chaingun making the difference. Either way, if you continue firing chaingun a little longer than you have to before launching the shield, then the SSG should always kill him. If you throw a frag grenade at the PE and get a direct hit, it will still fall towards the ground but sort of "stick" to him as it does, falling slowly enough that the explosion still hits him when it goes off. If you do this at about the same time as you pull out the chaingun then the frag will go off about when the shield projectile hits him, killing him instantly. This combo is great for groups of cacos if you cant hit them all with an arbalest or dblade but can get some with the arbalest explosion. if theres 5 and you can kill 1 with an arbalest and stagger 2 with the explosion, you can pull out CGS, turn and shoot one of the active ones, launch shield. the shield projectile can be used to either stagger active cacos or finish off staggered ones. enough chaingun bullets (not a lot) -> shield projectile -> ballista will kill the caco. not enough bullets will still at least leave it mostly dead. you can fire multiple arbalests before you bring out the chaingun so if they split up you can arbalest a lone caco or the smaller group, arbalest + start shooting chaingun at bigger group, fire shield at them for a multikill, then finish off stragglers. I use dazed & confused so usually they'll still be staggered. You can use the combo on beefy ground enemies too but I recommend going for a headshot with the arbalest, using a frag or two or ice bomb + frag, and maybe firing two arbalests before you pull out the shield. the arbalest explosion alone wont fill as much of the meter when used against a ground enemy of course, so the frag helps it fill faster. If other enemies are near your target to get hit by arbalest explosion, that also helps a lot. this is pretty good against doom hunters (use a blood punch too before you launch the shield), barons, tyrants, and archviles. it does considerable damage quickly, has you blocking for a bit, ends with a falter, and if you time a second grenade right then it chains 2 falters. Also, correction about the chaingun shield. You are not literally invincible, several ground effects can penetrate the chaingun shield including mancubus melee and dreadknight leap slam, and the shield has 650 hp, not infinite. 650 might sound like a lot, because it is, but its very possible to get your shield broken. with some of the master level fights, especially those with buffed demons, the shield can be broken horrifyingly fast. It is dumb that dash smash + chaingun primary is better dps than mobile turret, but so is everything else I'd actually use. I personally use dash smash even tho I admit its OP because I like to go in for a blood punch a lot so I might as well do more damage in the process. And because a frag + blood punch + chaingun shield dash & chaingun primary will also let you launch the shield off really quickly. I dont like to just sit there and bump demons to death with it much though. like, once i can launch the shield I probably will. I rarely use lockon rockets as well. No splash damage, consumes almost 1 quarter of your rockets for 1 enemy, trivializes too many enemies, opens the possibility of wasting 3 rockets on a zombie, and I too am used to having remote detonate equipped so i'll do the same thing. go for a falter, "ahhh shit i left fuckin lockon equipped". I try to just swap back right after i use lockon burst when I do actually use it, but def dont always remember. Also you're so right about PB rocket. its just so much more fun. I started maining remote detonate specifically because I knew I was over-reliant on lockon burst, wanted to get better at quickswapping and aiming. Plus I felt like I knew no other ways to kill a whiplash effectively but couldnt lockon if they were up in my face and like I never actually "fought" the dreadknight, just glanced at him for a sec and went over to finish him off with the glory kill or meathook + SSG. I actually thought the dreadknight was a weak enemy, lmfao. Boy was i wrong. but yeah not using lockon burst constantly was one of the best decisions I made playing this game. now I can actually hit the whiplash, quickswap WAY better, have a much better understanding of falters, and know what combos i can use to kill or stagger each type of heavy. I didnt realize ballista->direct rocket would stagger a whiplash for SO long! and ballista->P->rocket kiIls caco, revenant, AND whiplash. was like "i need to use lockons for whiplashes because I need it dead NOW, this is the only thing that will kill them quickly enough" when it was literally as easy as one, two, three the whole damn time!
I remember the first time i watched this video. I had bought Eternal at a steam sale earlier this year and played non-stop for about 2 days. After that, i decided to check some videos and gameplays to see other people's opinions on this game, and i eventually found your channel. Not only did this introduce me to the amazing community this franchise as a whole has, but also kinda make me love the game more? It made me want to replay the levels many times and experiment with all of the tools at my disposal, and eventually found my preferred playstyle, staying on the air, constantly meathooking and pretty much bombing hordes with anything explosive at my disposal. Once i got that figured out, i decided to go from exclusively playing Hurt me plenty/UV to trying out Nightmare. Now i have around 375 hours spent and i continue to find new ways to enjoy it. What i'm trying to say is, your videos are a blessing for new players trying to understand this game's mechanics and intricacies. They made me be more confindent in my style and ways to handle arenas and big fights, and to just appreciate everything the game has to offer, so thanks a lot for that!
It's a sad reality that whenever a new game with a high skill ceiling comes along, there will be plenty of elitists who will only, and ONLY want everyone to play in only the most efficient and meta way possible. And videogames aren't the only thing that suffer from elitists sadly. :/
Three minutes in and the content is just sublime. Top-tier analysis, perspective, and context all around. Keep it up man. 66.4k is a lot more subscribers than you had a while ago, and just the same, many fewer than you deserve.
I used almost every single “underrated” weapon mod (ex: micro missles remote detonation) For my first playthrough I don’t think they are bad but I do thing they aren’t the best but they are viable
I personally really like "mostly" precision bolt (SSG for amor, plasma for shields and stickies for cacos). Why? I like the combination of moving a lot to not get hit/cornered and precise shooting. The delay between the shots forces me into a nice rythm. It's not the best playstyle and definitvely not the fastest, but I get into a really nice flow state with it :)
For the players who are starting out and want to be better at the game, I think experimentation with the weapons and also putting yourself at a higher difficulty can be a helpful tool to improve. I recently tried a Nightmare run of the campaign after only ever beating it on Ultra Violence bc I wanted to give it a shot and see if I could improve and over time that helped to improve my game sense and when to take fights or run to get health. After beating the campaign after a rocky finish, I decided for a challenge to try Nightmare Master Mode Super Gore Nest, and oh boy was I absolutely being folded in this level. It took me several hours to even finish the level (some due to the game crashing and starting me over again) but eventually, I started getting the hang of the game and I started to figure things out until I am where I am right now which is trying a Ultra Nightmare run of SGN. It just takes some time to learn and understand the gameplay mechanics and movement needed and what kind of setup you feel most comfortable with
Reminds me of when smash ultimate first came out. The whole world was crying that king k rool was the best character in the game. That fool ain't even top 30 now
Hey man wanted to say I love your content and it's because of you I went back to doom eternal and took on the nightmare difficulty. Still working on it but learning weapon swapping and weapon utility from your vids makes it so much more fun for me. So keep up what you are doing man!
Its really good against a doomhunter it destroys their sled fast with their shield up and u dont have to aim that well to use it, really good if u out of bloodpunch.
My playstyle is a bit too high chaos for the unforgiving nature of nightmare difficulty which gets me killed a LOT of times. But hey it's very fun to pull through a tough fight by the skin of my teeth. So yeah, playing optimally is not required for fun and it's great that you're shedding light to elitisism.
Dude, never stop making these. I love hearing you talk about this game. Now that I've finally gotten to play it for myself, I'm appreciating what I've learned from these videos so much more.
Meta smeta. Having fun is my meta. And everyone has their own way or means to have fun. Luckily Doom Eternal gives you so many ways to have fun on whatever difficulty you play. Nice vid mate.
Mayo has a way of encapsulating the way (I imagine)many of us feel toward a title that has basically been father/teacher (and unholy destroyer)to at least one generation of gamers - we all grew up taking our first steps into an arena being built alongside our experiences. And now it evolves into something truly magical.... ...because even though I've waded through the Dead, drank cocktails on the Shores of Hell and dined on a table made of demon bones.....I never n e v e r thought I could hope to play THIS well. Surely I must have learned something 😎 Cheers Mayo, the way you articulate is a powerful weapon in your arsenal. 🤘
I'm honestly amazed that there is people that don't use the chaingun for damage, I mean come on, that thing can erradicate entire fodder hordes and bring down Tyrants on It's own, not to mention it brings a lot of satisfaction, dopamine and adrenaline using the turret mode, my personal favorite
mayo's the reason i still play this game. the early 2020 videos got me hooked - finally understood the funzone watching his gameplay. dismissed this game as trash compared to 2016 until i watched him weapon switching + his explanations. thanks again. DE is still my favorite game ever.
I needed this video like a breath of air to a drowning man. Meta-elitism is a very common problem in competitive games. In the last month, in my favorite co-op game I came across a group of players who kicked people from the server if they use non-meta weapons or non-meta classes, regardless of whether their style of play brings victory to the team. I was already close to quitting the game, because in my region the number of players in this game is small. And then I watched your video. Thank you so much, I'm so glad I found your channel.
I like how both DOOM Eternal and Doom (2016) are hectic but also have a dance to it which makes it feel not just like a generic shooter game but a “true” shooter game. Even in the first game there weren’t much movement options since there was no jump (No hate to the first game that was my very first game I ever played)
One of my favorite quotes from the gaming industry is: “We don’t want you to play Demonology Warlock right now”. Ion Hazzikostas lead game designer for World of Warcraft. He said it back in Warlords of Draenor. One reason was that they weren’t happy with how the spec played. The other reason is for active balancing of the meta-game. They where OK about some options weren’t optimal for a patch. Developers don’t want Rock Paper Scissors balance in their game. They don’t want players to ever master the game. They want players to always learn new interesting ways to play their game. They have no problem breaking a play style of a class to force people to play differently or even re-roll a different class. Everything is to ensure that most players are engage in the gameplay by not making it stale.
Well WoW got boring to me i couldnt even make it thru lvling during SL launch BFA lvling was more fun and im not srry i quit best thing i ever did, just put the WoWcrack down kids and play better games like Doom Eternal, GoT, Hades ect.
@@jethrodark2372 It’s usually just subscribing for a month to play trough the expansion then unsubscribe and uninstall for two years until the next expansion. The only game I can’t stop playing is the original Doom and Doom 2 because of all the WADs and the different gameplay mods like Project Brutality, Guncaster, Russian Overkill or just Vanilla with no texture filtering.😜🤪 At least I couldn’t stop playing it until my PC crapped out😩. Now I’m playing Dead Cells on my phone.
In Doom (2016) i was obsessed with the micro-missiles mod and i'm happy that Doom eternal made me better if this awesome mod because i really learned how to use it in a very fun and useful way. Different from Doom (2016) that i was sucked into the exploits of the other weapons and almost never used the micro-missiles that i feel in love in the first levels. So Yes i think people who say "Doom eternal has to be played in just one way" are totally lying because this game has far more options then Doom (2016).
I think precision bolt was literally the last weapon mod I unlocked in 2016, and then I realized it was actually quite good. I think I remember someone saying in a vid that all of the "boring" sounding mods for 2016 were a lot more powerful than they originally appeared.
@@HenryAshman I search on the internet how the mods of the weapons played in Doom (2016) Because the simple animations of the mods was really bad at the point that i really dont know exaclty what the weapon actually do(In the gameplay) so even without want, i was sucked in the exploits of the weapons in the moment i see that if all upgraded they would be a lot bether then the other mods. Oh and Thanks for comment and if has some mistakes in my english i am sorry.(I am Braziliam so english is not my native language).
Everyone's talking about how Micro missiles are underpowered meanwhile my save file corrupted my MM mod and turned it into the precision missile shredder
I'm just getting into DOOM Eternal. Beat it on UV, then saw some videos of how other people play and got an understanding of the weapon meta. I like trying out different mods and understanding what situations they're good with. Watching your first UN run made it click for me that Micro Missiles have a really good application of dealing with Hell Knights early. So much so in fact that I started thinking about routing the first level to skip auto-shotgun and fast travel back at completion so you get Sticky/Micro/Precision as the mods leaving the first level. Props for talking about this, I think the game is more fun when more mods are used. One of the coolest encounters for this reason alone was the Cyber-Demon corridor in Ancient Gods 1. Made me realize that chaingun shield is really good. I'm happy that id are intentionally designing encounters to mess with the weapon meta and making me think about what to use.
What I really enjoy is that there multiple overlaps between the weapons in delivering enemy weaknesses. You can blow off enemy weakpoints with precision bolt/sticky grenade/etc. Cacos can be staggered by grenades, shotgun stickys, or just dropped with the arbelast. Shields are countered by plasma, or you just chainsaw the loser, or use him as a meathook to manuever around. You can falter demons with upgraded frags, or dashing with the chaingun shield, or plasma microwave. There are four "OH crap I need to stop everything now" type of attacks - blood punch (with shockwave rune), BFG, Crucible Blade, and Icebomb. I mean, yeah I settled on Shotgun/Precision Bolt/Ballista -> lock on Rocket Launcher for big threats but that's because they are efficient. But I've also just had so much satisfaction from the micro missiles, unmaykr, and unloading the 4 barrelled chaingun. The important thing is to find the playstyle that suits your comfort for how you play the game.
Still to this day I play Eternal consistently, and still to this day, people give me shit about not playing on nightmare, or not being "good" at the game. When it's your world, you can play the way you want. It doesn't matter what people think. Thank you, Mayo.
Man, you really love Doom Eternal, don't you. I don't blame you. This game is awesomeness perfection and should be taught in college game dev classes on how to make a competent game.
Excellent stuff - like many people I have dedicated a serious portion of my life to this game since it came out. The truly glorious part about it is (as Mayo demonstrates perfectly) that you can change it up as much or as little as you please - playing with those mods that we are all dismissed when the game came out has breathed new life into it for me. Mayo once said that game developers rarely care this much about the player experience and the depth of thought and planning but into Doom Eternal is mind-blowing, truly people who clearly love what they do. Kudos to Mayo also for his detailed , but entertaining Doom videos, he's definitely inspired me to try a few different strategies - they don't always work but hell, that just makes it all the more fun. The level of dedication to your craft is above and beyond dude, please don't stop okay?😎👍
Little thing I also found out: a fully charged Destroyer blade will stagger, and sometimes straight up kill Whiplashes. Great to use against their spectral counterparts
Once I started to use Destroyer blade, I had found a key component that I'd been missing which allowed me to clear UN finally in the original game. It's helped me tremendously.
That last bit was actually rlly inspirational because i play very similarly to your playstyle and this video makes me wanna hop into sgn and try out mods i didnt normally use before to try and find my own playstyle
Love a good destroyer blade, especially on the secret encounters. Equip it, pull the gore nest apart, jump back & start charging, then just shoot at the first thing that moves. That smashed the "prowler + mancubus in a cupboard" fight near the end of ARC complex for me. I'm only playing on Ultra Violence right now for my first full playthrough, and probably dying a little more than I should. But that's because I'm actively trying to mix up my play style to use more weapons & mods to find a good set of combos for me. I've found a lot of these vids super useful for pointing out the little combos and such, for example until recently I had it in my head that grenades & ice bombs shared a cooldown, so never equipment swapped, and I barely used the SSG at all. I still make basic mistakes, but I'm getting noticeably better at things, even if I need to learn to double check the game hasn't "helped" me after I died by switching the Unmakyr back to the BFG before I pull it out and shoot. Although I will admit, I did handle the Marauder secret encounter with a stagger + BFG combo to get it done in the time, so I'm not THAT precious about my ammo usage for it.
When I first played DE, I chose MM, destroyer blade, and microwave beam because they were the mods that I didn't see showcased in the game's trailers and I wanted to try them out. They were fun! I just choose to use certain mods sometimes because I think they're cool.
@M S E There are indeed similarity between the two games when it comes to learning them. You can beat both just by learning how to avoid taking damage but to reach a higher level and the "fun zone" it require certain knowledge. In doom it's weapon swapping/combo, in souls it's knowing enemy behaviours, stats (esp health/poise threshold) and maps.
What you said at 9:40 was true for me. It was you who I was trying to play like for the past few months and since I got into pc gaming for Eternal, it was all fresh (keybinds) and I wasn't able to get anywhere near what you do. For example I still struggle hard with pb rocket quick swap. For the last 2 weeks or so I sorta dread getting on like its a paper I need to write. Your play is cool and it motivated me to be better for a time but I ended up in the classic mistake of comparing myself to another and it sucked the fun right out. I'm gonna go play on hurt me plenty, spam the SSG and forget to use the flame belch like the good old days- just have a bit of fun. I'll work on quickswaps later.
micro missiles are also incredibly effective for people that like to be mobile and zoom through the air with the ballista, jump pads and yeethooks while they fight. It's like a death from above fighter jet-type weapon, allowing you to lay down the punishment on larger areas.
this is actually great. and thanks for touching on microwave beam; i feel like it is massively underrated for all the utility you touched on and more. also experimentation is good, i've done a few runs of DLC and main campaign using only "off-meta" mods and it's actually a blast and helps you find your playstyle amongst all the options; but even more than that it helps you expand it and polish it and understand it so you can be a better player. and the more success you find in your playstyle the more you engage with the game and the more fun you have. 10/10 video, we are lucky to have you in the community.
I used to write off the destroyer blade, but your experimental style encouraged me to try and change things up and I figured out the ice bomb and destroyer blade on a weakened super heavy demon usually eliminates them or gets them close enough to death where I can finish them off. I’m glad you made this video encouraging players to play their own way and not emulate what others are doing, because this game allows a lot of creativity and room for different playstyles and players need to realize to have fun in the ways they like the most and start experimenting.
My player style is fast and creative. and I use a lot of chain guns shield in my play so I do not take a lot of damage when I’m moving. Usually, I activate it with. I’m bound to take massive hits of damage and also if I get out of a glory kill where the live enemies is around me..
For sure playing how you're most comfortable is the way to go. I like to play with fast glory kills and glory kill speed boosts, running around like a maniac from fodder to fodder and chaining the boost. Sure, equipment fiend and long stagger are better but I love playing the game this way, it's so stylish and aggressive. On the topic of precision bolt, I feel like it's just too good, maybe I'm jaded because I've spent so much time with the game so quickswapping it in combos is just easy to me, so it feels like a straight upgrade. I think it's kinda out of it's intended role of weak point destroyer and now is just kind of a dps tool. Kinda steals the spotlight from the chaingun and micro-missles intended role when pbolt quickswaps are way more dps for the amount of ammo you're spending.
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4 days ago lol the video just came out less than 15 minutes ago
I would love to see your thoughts on the slayer testament quake mod
It works like a breed of 2016 and eternal you are going to love it
i love your vids mayo
@@GoldDirtPie I love your name.
@@valletas I'll get there some day
No no I specifically remember King Novic telling me “precision bolt and lock on until it is done”
Let me also guess he said “You shall be their meat hook”
Against all the destroyer blades that Hugo Martin can produce
"They fear the mark of the rocket-ballista combo!" -Street Prophet
super shotgun + arbalest until it is done
Why are you listening to Mr. "You cannot kill the priests!"? I'll bet you didn't shoot a hole in Mars either.
Following most of your tips on Doom Eternal lead me to accomplish something I didn't even know I could do : finish Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and the fucking DLC in nightmare difficulties. You would have asked me just a few month ago and I would have say "nah, nightmare is too hard for me, I just want some fun", but now I got gud, so gud in fact that I'm having fun ONLY in nightmare difficulty now! It's very rewarding to see how my gameplay got very intense and funnier than before simply by mastering the quick swapping weapons and have a real use of my whole arsenal, something I thought was just completely out of my league!
Thank you for that!
Same here. Still don't have the gumption for Ultra Nightmare on PS4, but I am much closer! This channel and Cynic The Original have really helped me love these games all the more, as well as the confidence to play, and win, on Nightmare.
@M S E Maybe I should start with that? That's not a bad idea amigo. Do you play any multiplayer per chance?
That is awesome!!! Good job!
I have seen you everywhere
Same thing, Mayo's combat suggestions enabled me to play on UV in console. Loving it!
I want to hear Mayo give me life advice in his typical style, like: "So you're at an interview, you go in with a joke to break the ice, you quick swap to talking about your qualifications for an easy combo, then you finish it off with a discussion of your strengths to seal the deal; but the interviewer counters with a question about your weaknesses, so you stun them with a remote discussion of a flaw that's actually a strength, and you go in for the glory kill with an anecdote from a past project."
This is brilliant.
Shit you’re right🤣🤣🤣
'And then you finish him off with a super shotgun blast'
This could be a lifesaver
@@lucaspanto1442 Ay yo
You’re seriously underrated as a content creator man. There’s real value here for people who aren’t even DOOM Eternal fans
I'll have a video on that next month. About how doom Eternal applies to all games.
@@underthemayo I look forward to it. Keep up the good work mate!
Hear, hear. Mayo, you are a man of good faith and integrity - and I value your commitment to being a positive part of this community. Not enough people recognize the responsibility that comes with having a platform, but you consistently demonstrate the ability to handle it with style and grace. Every time I see one of your videos, I see an earnest, thoughtful man, contributing to a wonderful community that he helped to build. Keep up the good work.
@TwistedGamer I rewatched the video with your critisicm in mind and I honestly couldn't find any point in the video where it applies. Can you point out what exactly Mayo said that is "preachy" to you?
I also found no mention of 2016, let alone any statements that could be considered "demeaning", so please, show me what lead you to come to that conclusion.
Edit: I did find one mention of 2016 at the very start of the video, but I didn't notice any others. And I certainly don't see how what Mayo said at the start demeans 2016. Please help me out to understand what you meant by that.
I love it when i have enough time to charge up the destroyer blade and seeing it insta killing multiple demons
same feeling my dude. I love that mod
Yeah, how tf it’s even underrated?
@@shmekelfreckles8157 not a lot of people use it. they're too afraid of the scary charge up time ooooooooooo. that's how. I don't understand it either.
maybe not everyone is as badass as we are in this thread lmao.
@@SlayerOmair I also sucked at it at first, but then you start to combo it with nades and charge it in the air.
Grenades/Ice Bomb+charged-up Destroyer Blade is the best way to deal with the cloaked Whiplashes.
I swear, this mod is addictive once you know how to use it.
"What makes you a good player is understanding your playstyle and using the tools that help that playstyle and finding success in it".
Truer words have never been spoken.
I bet there’s a player out that can outplay us with a guitar hero guitar and pedals
@@squxshyy someone actually played with a guitar hero controller for a vid, but of course he was not very good
@@nailotsot give him time he’ll be decent lol
@@squxshyy to be fair he did finish the game with just a fucking guitar.
But he still played like a game journalist, except he actually had a brain
"I've never seen anybody more thorough than [Mayo]" - Hugo Martin
Mayo is like a blessing to Doom honestly
"I'm not sure Mayo's not directing the game"
slow clap
@@smugplush mayo is eternals decino
He actually watches some of his streams and joins the chat sometimes, right?
@@ihatecommunism9958 the only name more american then that is need oil69
If someone asked, “I have 10 minutes and want to watch my first Under The Mayo video, what should I watch?”
This is it, chief.
Yes, it is!
Well guess what? This is the first videos i watched of him and im subbing.
Iam just happy that Mayo is part of the Doom community, thats all...
not only is he apart of it, hugo himself has joined streams. i think him allstin and cynic are the doom holy trinity 🤣
Agreed, he keeps bringing more and more to the community.
Amén.
When you pair Ice Bomb, Flame Belch, a crowd of demons and Destroyer Blade, it's better than a glory kill
On the subject of wepon mods if you use the equipment fiend rune and miss your flame belch if you have the flaming meat hook it will count as a kill with the flame belch and will help recharge it
Holy cow. Thanks man!
I did not know that. Time for some experimentation!
I always knew that rune was op
@@ghoulbuster1 its always op and a top level mod, even on the DLC
I'm surprised more people don't use equipment fiend, I literally have never taken it off, I like spamming equipment and always having something ready other than guns
I could listen to mayo talk for hours
He dose have a podcast
@@joseaparicio2168 i wanna watch it
@M S E ok
@M S E where is it?
Would be cool if Mayo got to do a VO bit for DLC 2
"I'm not sure mayo isn't directing the game at this point" - Hugo Martin.
Wait did he actually say that?
@@abd-qadirgilani8871 yes, in a stream.
That's so cool :D
Reading this made me happy.
Congrats to Hugo and Id for making an awesome game, and to Mayo for understanding it
That was so epic when I heard that. Such insanely high praise for the game director to be calling out a fan like that.
@@ThatKoukiZ31 Hugo is the Creative director, he Is the soul of new doom, but the game director is Marty Stratton
Yes, don't make fun of players who play on low levels. Build them up, let's all celebrate this game together.
Agreed.
"The UV players of today are the Nightmare & Ultra-Nightmare players of tomorrow" - Hugo Martin
Same thing can be said about the even lower difficulty :)
@@garrettk7166 100% true, my first playthrough was UV. Now I've beaten base game and DLC UN no cheese
@@garrettk7166
My current playthrough is Ultra Violence (which im going to 100% all secret items, weapon points, suit tokens, sentinel batteries, Empreyran keys for the Unmayker, Secret Enounters, Weapon Mods and Masteries, and stuff on)
I have started a Nightmare playthrough on the side that ill get back to after I finish the UV one
Most of us only make fun of the people who quit cause they say its to hard on "im too young to die" lets be real if u cant beat Doom on the lowest difficulty the FPS genre isnt for you.
@@jethrodark2372 lol my very first play through I played on too young to die and I think I died one time it was way way to easy
This video kinda feels like old Mayo content, like in the beggining of Eternal and I kinda feel nostalgic about it. As always I'm really thankful for your contribution to the DOOM community.
I like how most people are talking about like oh this and that like this weapon combo and this mod combo is the best but No one is talking about Mod switching mid combat are use it a lot and to be honest it save my skin many many times
I'm currently doing an unfavored mods run to better acclimate myself to things like Micro Missiles and the Energy Shield (also Ice Bomb only cuz I prefer Frags), and when I'm done with that I'm gonna hone my mod switching and grenade toggling until I'm using all my possible options at any given moment.
New Mayo upload + a plate full of snacks = hella good time
New Mayo upload + a plate full of snacks + coffee = a 10 minute bathroom break
Wich Snacks?
Moral of the story: Doom Eternal has a place for pretty much everyone, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
Yes! Play it your way (and on the difficulty you feel comfortable).
*Looks at GManLives*
@@SRGIProductions I don’t know who that is
@@thedenseone6443 Best you don't, sonny jim.
@@thedenseone6443 a bad youtube reviewer
I'd love mayo to spend a bit of time playing eternal on console and then give us his thoughts on viable strategies/weapon combos. I'm sure plenty of mayo/console fans would love that!
Well you can do basically any combos he already listed just not as fast. Hes done videos on micromissiles, full auto.. those work well on controller because they don’t require fast switching or precision aim
Console is not too different from PC, just a teeny bit slower. You can still quickswap but it isn't as fast as you'd have to open the wheel for a split second to go to the next weapon, but its still possible.
@@ringo7395 Yes but that costs your accuracy, since you use the analog stick you aim with to choose what weapon you want. On mouse and keyboard, all the weapons can be bound to whatever key you want, and whilst you are switching weapons, you still have full control over aim with the mouse. It is far more viable to just do ballista/ssg, pb/rocket and ballista/pb on console, rather than going ballista/pb/rocket, since that would require using the wheel to switch weapons.
As a pc player who tried a campaign using a gamepad, basically any sustained-fire mod is great--Full Auto, Micro Missiles, Mobile Turret. Hell, you don't even need to quickswap to kill things well. You can stay on SSG or rocket launcher for several seconds and kill them just fine.
Oh, and Microwave Beam is always great to hold a problematic enemy in place with to let you get your bearings.
There's only one way to properly play the game...
The one that tells you to have fun
Yo my playstyle is just meathooking onto every demon and blasting them with the super shotgun
I don't know how the destroyer blade went under the radar for so many. You have to charge arbalest as well, and destroyer blade is like a miniature BFG shot.
Too slow. Many players are at a high state of panic for a lack of a better word. Standing still or not being able to move around as fast as possible is nerve racking which is why I seldom use it myself.
@@alastor8091 that’s why it’s best to charge it when you’re in mid air or using a jump pad
Once mastered, Arbalest lets you skip the charge up time after the first shot if you hit your target, that contributed a lot to its popularity.
@@Demonstormlord do you use it for anything other than fliers? Honestly can't tell if the charge time is worth it against anything that's not a meatball and I like Pain Elementals so I like to fight them for a little longer than 3 Arbalest shots.
@@alastor8091 I'm not very good, but some people used it against Marauders for more damaging combos. I also used it a lot in battle mode.
I remember TheLolHounds2.0 makes a series of videos called "nerf plz" trying to find the potential in any fighter in mk11.
i dont even play mk and this sounds like something i'd check out
I think someone does that with dragonball fighterz as well
Today I had a weird ass dream where I was on a beach swimming and when I was done swimming I went to go get a towel to dry off and I looked at the towel it was white and it had your logo on it and I woke up.
Back when I first play the game never fought I'll be doing all this crazy stuff it's awesome😎👍
1:13 I never realized the cacodemons also ate shoulder grenades. Damn.
I am a super casual when it comes to FPS games and I love DOOM Eternal. I bought the game day 1 and also felt that sense of being overwhelmed by all the fighting mechanics and emphasis on resource management. Though I didn't feel the game was too hard, it definitely intimidated this gamer that spends most of his time in sandboxes or RPGs. I would just occasionally play the first few levels over and over to get my fix of bloody demon slaying and that's all I ever wanted from the game. I approach my games differently than a lot of gamers. I like to take my time, so that's how I approached DOOM Eternal. Over this last year I watched videos of people ragging on the Marauders and it put me off on pushing through the main campaign, figuring I would have to get real GUD to beat this game without cheats even on easy mode.
Then I started watching your videos and any others I could find that didn't sound like a b*tch session about the game, and it reignited my interest in the game. I'm having a blast learning how to meat hook better and just get better at the DOOM dance in general. I'm still at the "Supershotgun/Ballista" or "Supershotgun/Rocket" combo level of game play, but that's enough for this low-tier player to wreck a Marauder when I get him in my sights. Thanks for all the pointers, Mayo! Keep up the good work!
Love these kinds of comments.
Micro missiles OVER PB? Preposterous!
#PBGang
Fully upgraded Micromissiles are one of the best ways to deal with a Tyrant.
Fight me.
@@heneedsomemilk655 best put up them dukes!
you say that until you fight the seraphim
@Cynic Let me charge ny Bloodpunch and I'll be right back. :)
Seriously, next time you play TAG1, kill a fodder with the Heavy Cannon and then empty the charged up Micromissiles at a Tyrant. Brutally effective.
Yeah, when i started playing DOOM Eternal when it first came out, I never thought I'd EVER use the Microwave beam, or the Destroyer blade.
I thought they were too slow and would get me killed half the time.
But look at me now! Using the aforementioned mods OVER the Heatblast and the Arballist.
I never used the Microwave beam before the release of The Ancient Gods Pt. 1, but that DLC made my eyes open to possibilities and potential of the Microwave beam.
You can use this thing to make sure that a dangerous demon stays in place, (This mod is the only way to keep a possessed demon in place) even if you just use it for a split second
It can be used on a low health Heavy/Super Heavy to finish them off as well as causing massive damage to demons around them AND falter them.
When it's fully upgraded, the range on this thing is NUTS, I mean, you can melt a demon from the safety of a high/far off platform.
And the Destroyer blade? HOLY SHIT, WAS I MISSING OUT!
This mod is the most flexible, high damaging, most useful mod I have ever used in this game
Before it's fully upgraded, its use is admittedly very niche. But once you get the mastery upgrade? OOOOOOH BOY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FUN TIME!
Even before it's fully upgraded, it's still very useful in a handful of situations, such as. A large group of demons bunched up in a way that the blade can take them all out (or close) in a single shot.
But once you do get the mastery, that's where the flexibility come through.
Each charge has their own different damage numbers, costs, and blade lengths.
Charge one costs 16 Plasma cells, but does the same damage as a regular shot from the Ballista that costs 25 cells, and the length of the blade isn't very wide and leaves a lot to be desired. Charge one can weirdly kill Prowlers and Carcasses in a single shot where the regular shot cannot. I use this charge against large groups of fodder demons and/or Prowlers and/or Carcasses.
Charge two costs 33 cells, and does the same amount of damage as an Arballist shot. The length of the blade is much wider and can cover a lot more ground than charge one. Honestly this my least used shot from the Destroyer blade, but it's still very useful against mid tier demons such as Revenants, Hell Knights, and especially Whiplashes (it can put Whiplashes in a stagger state alone).
Charge three costs 50 cells, and is the most damaging single shot weapon in the entire game I'm convinced (even beating out the Super Shotgun), and the length of the blade is VERY wide, it covers A LOT of ground. This bad boy can put every heavy demon to shame (except the Pain Elemental which I will get into later) and puts most of the Super Heavies on the ropes, I mean you can use this monster against a frozen Archvile, and they'll be a Super Shotgun shot and a quick rocket close to death.
I LOVE the Destroyer blade so much, and I am SHOCKED it took me as long as I did to use it, because if it's used correctly, it completely and utterly destroys certain encounters, but i guess that's its downside, if it's used incorrectly or inefficiently, the demons will punish you hard (especially on Nightmare).
Side note: The Pain Elemental is shockingly resilient to the Destroyer blade, kinda surprising considering that they are weak against the Ballista and Arballist, but i don't recall ever seeing in the codex that they're weak to the Destroyer blade so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
Side note 2: Don't use the Destroyer blade against Marauders, they block it every time even if you shoot at them when their eyes are green, so if you wish you could always switch to the Arballist when a Marauder shows up.
In conclusion. These mods are great, USE EM!
Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention my opinion on the Micro Missiles, Lock-on Rockets, and the Energy Shield
I don't use the Micro Missiles, not because they're bad, it's just... PRECISION BOLT + ROCKET LAUNCHER COMBO IS SO SATISFYING AND SO GOOOOOOD!
I don't use Lock-on Rockets because it's way too easy and powerful to use, and my muscle memory is used to pulling out the Remote Detonate to falter demons that are getting just a bit too close (or using it to setup a blood punch against a Cyber Mancubus).
As for the Energy Shield... It's literally just on demand god mode, and the fact that the Mobile Turret gets beat out in terms of damage just because I started bumping into demons as well as shooting them is just dumb for me. Way to easy to use, and you're literally invincible while doing it.
Update on my opinion of the Energy Shield and another part on my opinion about the Lock-on Rockets.
I like using the Energy Shield now because it actually gives me a reason to use the Chaingun, because when I was a avid user of the Mobile Turret I rarely used it. But I still actively stop myself from dashing into enemies while I'm shooting, because I still think it's dumb that it out damages the Mobile Turret (and that it hard falters heavy demons for some fucking reason).
Another reason why I don't use the Lock-on Rockets is because it takes up way to much ammo for my taste, and that's pretty much it.
@@Marzo7866 IK its a year later so idk if you still play DE but a fun way to use the energy shield is shield projectile quicklaunch combos. Arbalest -> pull out chaingun and put shield up immediately before it blows up -> shoot until you can launch shield -> launch shield. Arbalest explosion fills the meter for dmg required to launch shield projectile. If you're doing this against a pain elemental, you can shoot the shield off legit almost instantly, and if you follow it up with a rocket, he'll stagger. Ballista primary or meathook->dead-on SSG blast will either stagger or kill him. Cant tell if it was imperfect SSG blasts or shooting him with more/less chaingun making the difference. Either way, if you continue firing chaingun a little longer than you have to before launching the shield, then the SSG should always kill him. If you throw a frag grenade at the PE and get a direct hit, it will still fall towards the ground but sort of "stick" to him as it does, falling slowly enough that the explosion still hits him when it goes off. If you do this at about the same time as you pull out the chaingun then the frag will go off about when the shield projectile hits him, killing him instantly.
This combo is great for groups of cacos if you cant hit them all with an arbalest or dblade but can get some with the arbalest explosion. if theres 5 and you can kill 1 with an arbalest and stagger 2 with the explosion, you can pull out CGS, turn and shoot one of the active ones, launch shield. the shield projectile can be used to either stagger active cacos or finish off staggered ones. enough chaingun bullets (not a lot) -> shield projectile -> ballista will kill the caco. not enough bullets will still at least leave it mostly dead. you can fire multiple arbalests before you bring out the chaingun so if they split up you can arbalest a lone caco or the smaller group, arbalest + start shooting chaingun at bigger group, fire shield at them for a multikill, then finish off stragglers. I use dazed & confused so usually they'll still be staggered.
You can use the combo on beefy ground enemies too but I recommend going for a headshot with the arbalest, using a frag or two or ice bomb + frag, and maybe firing two arbalests before you pull out the shield. the arbalest explosion alone wont fill as much of the meter when used against a ground enemy of course, so the frag helps it fill faster. If other enemies are near your target to get hit by arbalest explosion, that also helps a lot. this is pretty good against doom hunters (use a blood punch too before you launch the shield), barons, tyrants, and archviles. it does considerable damage quickly, has you blocking for a bit, ends with a falter, and if you time a second grenade right then it chains 2 falters.
Also, correction about the chaingun shield. You are not literally invincible, several ground effects can penetrate the chaingun shield including mancubus melee and dreadknight leap slam, and the shield has 650 hp, not infinite. 650 might sound like a lot, because it is, but its very possible to get your shield broken. with some of the master level fights, especially those with buffed demons, the shield can be broken horrifyingly fast. It is dumb that dash smash + chaingun primary is better dps than mobile turret, but so is everything else I'd actually use. I personally use dash smash even tho I admit its OP because I like to go in for a blood punch a lot so I might as well do more damage in the process. And because a frag + blood punch + chaingun shield dash & chaingun primary will also let you launch the shield off really quickly. I dont like to just sit there and bump demons to death with it much though. like, once i can launch the shield I probably will.
I rarely use lockon rockets as well. No splash damage, consumes almost 1 quarter of your rockets for 1 enemy, trivializes too many enemies, opens the possibility of wasting 3 rockets on a zombie, and I too am used to having remote detonate equipped so i'll do the same thing. go for a falter, "ahhh shit i left fuckin lockon equipped". I try to just swap back right after i use lockon burst when I do actually use it, but def dont always remember. Also you're so right about PB rocket. its just so much more fun. I started maining remote detonate specifically because I knew I was over-reliant on lockon burst, wanted to get better at quickswapping and aiming. Plus I felt like I knew no other ways to kill a whiplash effectively but couldnt lockon if they were up in my face and like I never actually "fought" the dreadknight, just glanced at him for a sec and went over to finish him off with the glory kill or meathook + SSG. I actually thought the dreadknight was a weak enemy, lmfao. Boy was i wrong.
but yeah not using lockon burst constantly was one of the best decisions I made playing this game. now I can actually hit the whiplash, quickswap WAY better, have a much better understanding of falters, and know what combos i can use to kill or stagger each type of heavy. I didnt realize ballista->direct rocket would stagger a whiplash for SO long! and ballista->P->rocket kiIls caco, revenant, AND whiplash. was like "i need to use lockons for whiplashes because I need it dead NOW, this is the only thing that will kill them quickly enough" when it was literally as easy as one, two, three the whole damn time!
I remember the first time i watched this video. I had bought Eternal at a steam sale earlier this year and played non-stop for about 2 days. After that, i decided to check some videos and gameplays to see other people's opinions on this game, and i eventually found your channel. Not only did this introduce me to the amazing community this franchise as a whole has, but also kinda make me love the game more?
It made me want to replay the levels many times and experiment with all of the tools at my disposal, and eventually found my preferred playstyle, staying on the air, constantly meathooking and pretty much bombing hordes with anything explosive at my disposal. Once i got that figured out, i decided to go from exclusively playing Hurt me plenty/UV to trying out Nightmare.
Now i have around 375 hours spent and i continue to find new ways to enjoy it.
What i'm trying to say is, your videos are a blessing for new players trying to understand this game's mechanics and intricacies. They made me be more confindent in my style and ways to handle arenas and big fights, and to just appreciate everything the game has to offer, so thanks a lot for that!
Microwave beam is how I prevent myself from an getting an aneurysm while dealing with Whiplashes.
My cheese strat for those annoying fuckers is just dash into them with the shield mod
It's a sad reality that whenever a new game with a high skill ceiling comes along, there will be plenty of elitists who will only, and ONLY want everyone to play in only the most efficient and meta way possible.
And videogames aren't the only thing that suffer from elitists sadly. :/
It doesn't even need a high skill ceiling. They're doing it to Blaseball now ffs
Three minutes in and the content is just sublime.
Top-tier analysis, perspective, and context all around. Keep it up man. 66.4k is a lot more subscribers than you had a while ago, and just the same, many fewer than you deserve.
9:25 personally i struggle with pb balista so i stick to pb rocket or ssg balista still very fun to do and even works out in battle mode
I used almost every single “underrated” weapon mod (ex: micro missles remote detonation) For my first playthrough I don’t think they are bad but I do thing they aren’t the best but they are viable
"Toss an ice bomb and unleash hell"
That's funny on two levels
We don't have the time to experiment with different playstyles, because the longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the stronger it becomes.
"Use the Ice Grenade and Unleash Hell"
It'll be a cold day in Hell when the Doom Slayer is the one, Unleashing Hell!
9:23. Holy shite Mayo! That was super neat
bro theres so many enemies that are one shot by a puny level 1 destroyer blade its insane
list them all, chump.
list them all
@@vidya2144 Anything smaller than a Hell Knight goes down with a single DB charge. There's your list.
@@eduardodiaz9942 list them all, chump
Its the mini BFG 👌
I personally really like "mostly" precision bolt (SSG for amor, plasma for shields and stickies for cacos).
Why? I like the combination of moving a lot to not get hit/cornered and precise shooting. The delay between the shots forces me into a nice rythm.
It's not the best playstyle and definitvely not the fastest, but I get into a really nice flow state with it :)
For the players who are starting out and want to be better at the game, I think experimentation with the weapons and also putting yourself at a higher difficulty can be a helpful tool to improve.
I recently tried a Nightmare run of the campaign after only ever beating it on Ultra Violence bc I wanted to give it a shot and see if I could improve and over time that helped to improve my game sense and when to take fights or run to get health.
After beating the campaign after a rocky finish, I decided for a challenge to try Nightmare Master Mode Super Gore Nest, and oh boy was I absolutely being folded in this level. It took me several hours to even finish the level (some due to the game crashing and starting me over again) but eventually, I started getting the hang of the game and I started to figure things out until I am where I am right now which is trying a Ultra Nightmare run of SGN.
It just takes some time to learn and understand the gameplay mechanics and movement needed and what kind of setup you feel most comfortable with
Reminds me of when smash ultimate first came out. The whole world was crying that king k rool was the best character in the game. That fool ain't even top 30 now
Mid tier
smash communtiy when an "op" dlc character comes out
Hey man wanted to say I love your content and it's because of you I went back to doom eternal and took on the nightmare difficulty. Still working on it but learning weapon swapping and weapon utility from your vids makes it so much more fun for me. So keep up what you are doing man!
i had no idea people thought micro missiles were bad, they’ve always been one of my favorite mods
Its really good against a doomhunter it destroys their sled fast with their shield up and u dont have to aim that well to use it, really good if u out of bloodpunch.
@@jethrodark2372 100%, especially combined with super shotgun, it makes that first fight SO much easier
My playstyle is a bit too high chaos for the unforgiving nature of nightmare difficulty which gets me killed a LOT of times. But hey it's very fun to pull through a tough fight by the skin of my teeth. So yeah, playing optimally is not required for fun and it's great that you're shedding light to elitisism.
absolute unit of a video mayo, great job
Dude, never stop making these. I love hearing you talk about this game. Now that I've finally gotten to play it for myself, I'm appreciating what I've learned from these videos so much more.
Meta smeta. Having fun is my meta. And everyone has their own way or means to have fun. Luckily Doom Eternal gives you so many ways to have fun on whatever difficulty you play.
Nice vid mate.
Mayo has a way of encapsulating the way (I imagine)many of us feel toward a title that has basically been father/teacher (and unholy destroyer)to at least one generation of gamers - we all grew up taking our first steps into an arena being built alongside our experiences.
And now it evolves into something truly magical....
...because even though I've waded through the Dead, drank cocktails on the Shores of Hell and dined on a table made of demon bones.....I never n e v e r thought I could hope to play THIS well.
Surely I must have learned something 😎
Cheers Mayo, the way you articulate is a powerful weapon in your arsenal.
🤘
The most fun I have in Eternal is trying to get style points
I'm honestly amazed that there is people that don't use the chaingun for damage, I mean come on, that thing can erradicate entire fodder hordes and bring down Tyrants on It's own, not to mention it brings a lot of satisfaction, dopamine and adrenaline using the turret mode, my personal favorite
mayo's the reason i still play this game. the early 2020 videos got me hooked - finally understood the funzone watching his gameplay. dismissed this game as trash compared to 2016 until i watched him weapon switching + his explanations. thanks again. DE is still my favorite game ever.
I always approach games from a "what's the worst thing in the game" and then find a way to make it broken.
damn, this might be your best video yet
Thanks. It contains stuff I've wanted to say over 9 months.
I needed this video like a breath of air to a drowning man. Meta-elitism is a very common problem in competitive games. In the last month, in my favorite co-op game I came across a group of players who kicked people from the server if they use non-meta weapons or non-meta classes, regardless of whether their style of play brings victory to the team. I was already close to quitting the game, because in my region the number of players in this game is small. And then I watched your video. Thank you so much, I'm so glad I found your channel.
What game was it?
@@masterdeity3400 Killing Floor 2
I remember when in the early days Mayo said the Microwave was awful but useful and i was in the comments saying it was useful reasuring that
I like how both DOOM Eternal and Doom (2016) are hectic but also have a dance to it which makes it feel not just like a generic shooter game but a “true” shooter game. Even in the first game there weren’t much movement options since there was no jump (No hate to the first game that was my very first game I ever played)
I just love the way this game & id Software reinvigorated the legacy of DOOM. Let the DOOM dance never end!
One of my favorite quotes from the gaming industry is:
“We don’t want you to play Demonology Warlock right now”. Ion Hazzikostas lead game designer for World of Warcraft. He said it back in Warlords of Draenor. One reason was that they weren’t happy with how the spec played. The other reason is for active balancing of the meta-game. They where OK about some options weren’t optimal for a patch. Developers don’t want Rock Paper Scissors balance in their game. They don’t want players to ever master the game. They want players to always learn new interesting ways to play their game. They have no problem breaking a play style of a class to force people to play differently or even re-roll a different class. Everything is to ensure that most players are engage in the gameplay by not making it stale.
Well WoW got boring to me i couldnt even make it thru lvling during SL launch BFA lvling was more fun and im not srry i quit best thing i ever did, just put the WoWcrack down kids and play better games like Doom Eternal, GoT, Hades ect.
@@jethrodark2372 It’s usually just subscribing for a month to play trough the expansion then unsubscribe and uninstall for two years until the next expansion. The only game I can’t stop playing is the original Doom and Doom 2 because of all the WADs and the different gameplay mods like Project Brutality, Guncaster, Russian Overkill or just Vanilla with no texture filtering.😜🤪 At least I couldn’t stop playing it until my PC crapped out😩. Now I’m playing Dead Cells on my phone.
Full auto and a bag of beef jerky. I scream the whole time
a man of culture.
Intestingly I choose full auto, micro missles,microwave beam, remote detonation and destroyer blade WITHOUT knowing what the hell I was doing
The doom dance right?
Me: uhmm.. y-yes, right
Brawler mode made me appreciate what you’re saying, now I use full-auto, remote detonation and micromissiles pretty much... it’s groovy
In Doom (2016) i was obsessed with the micro-missiles mod and i'm happy that Doom eternal made me better if this awesome mod because i really learned how to use it in a very fun and useful way.
Different from Doom (2016) that i was sucked into the exploits of the other weapons and almost never used the micro-missiles that i feel in love in the first levels.
So Yes i think people who say "Doom eternal has to be played in just one way" are totally lying because this game has far more options then Doom (2016).
I think precision bolt was literally the last weapon mod I unlocked in 2016, and then I realized it was actually quite good. I think I remember someone saying in a vid that all of the "boring" sounding mods for 2016 were a lot more powerful than they originally appeared.
@@HenryAshman I search on the internet how the mods of the weapons played in Doom (2016) Because the simple animations of the mods was really bad at the point that i really dont know exaclty what the weapon actually do(In the gameplay) so even without want, i was sucked in the exploits of the weapons in the moment i see that if all upgraded they would be a lot bether then the other mods.
Oh and Thanks for comment and if has some mistakes in my english i am sorry.(I am Braziliam so english is not my native language).
Everyone's talking about how Micro missiles are underpowered meanwhile my save file corrupted my MM mod and turned it into the precision missile shredder
Mayo as the doom eternal community representative please
This, but unironically. Can you imagine how hype the next game would be?
I'm just getting into DOOM Eternal. Beat it on UV, then saw some videos of how other people play and got an understanding of the weapon meta. I like trying out different mods and understanding what situations they're good with. Watching your first UN run made it click for me that Micro Missiles have a really good application of dealing with Hell Knights early. So much so in fact that I started thinking about routing the first level to skip auto-shotgun and fast travel back at completion so you get Sticky/Micro/Precision as the mods leaving the first level.
Props for talking about this, I think the game is more fun when more mods are used. One of the coolest encounters for this reason alone was the Cyber-Demon corridor in Ancient Gods 1. Made me realize that chaingun shield is really good. I'm happy that id are intentionally designing encounters to mess with the weapon meta and making me think about what to use.
This game will age like fine wine.
I just loved the idea of the microwave and full auto shotgun and even the unmaykr were dismissed as trash but now seem S tier
Mayo is like a life coach for Doom Eternal
What I really enjoy is that there multiple overlaps between the weapons in delivering enemy weaknesses.
You can blow off enemy weakpoints with precision bolt/sticky grenade/etc.
Cacos can be staggered by grenades, shotgun stickys, or just dropped with the arbelast.
Shields are countered by plasma, or you just chainsaw the loser, or use him as a meathook to manuever around.
You can falter demons with upgraded frags, or dashing with the chaingun shield, or plasma microwave.
There are four "OH crap I need to stop everything now" type of attacks - blood punch (with shockwave rune), BFG, Crucible Blade, and Icebomb.
I mean, yeah I settled on Shotgun/Precision Bolt/Ballista -> lock on Rocket Launcher for big threats but that's because they are efficient. But I've also just had so much satisfaction from the micro missiles, unmaykr, and unloading the 4 barrelled chaingun. The important thing is to find the playstyle that suits your comfort for how you play the game.
Destroyer Blade, the mighty slicer of flying tomatoes
Still to this day I play Eternal consistently, and still to this day, people give me shit about not playing on nightmare, or not being "good" at the game. When it's your world, you can play the way you want. It doesn't matter what people think. Thank you, Mayo.
Oh hey man, I've been watching your vids. They're great. Screw the haters; play how you want!
Man, you really love Doom Eternal, don't you. I don't blame you. This game is awesomeness perfection and should be taught in college game dev classes on how to make a competent game.
Best tactic for doom: just don't die.
Excellent stuff - like many people I have dedicated a serious portion of my life to this game since it came out. The truly glorious part about it is (as Mayo demonstrates perfectly) that you can change it up as much or as little as you please - playing with those mods that we are all dismissed when the game came out has breathed new life into it for me. Mayo once said that game developers rarely care this much about the player experience and the depth of thought and planning but into Doom Eternal is mind-blowing, truly people who clearly love what they do.
Kudos to Mayo also for his detailed , but entertaining Doom videos, he's definitely inspired me to try a few different strategies - they don't always work but hell, that just makes it all the more fun. The level of dedication to your craft is above and beyond dude, please don't stop okay?😎👍
This is why Mayo is a great Doom youtuber
This is top-tier stuff
Good job man!
Little thing I also found out: a fully charged Destroyer blade will stagger, and sometimes straight up kill Whiplashes. Great to use against their spectral counterparts
Once I started to use Destroyer blade, I had found a key component that I'd been missing which allowed me to clear UN finally in the original game. It's helped me tremendously.
I’ve been waiting for this
That last bit was actually rlly inspirational because i play very similarly to your playstyle and this video makes me wanna hop into sgn and try out mods i didnt normally use before to try and find my own playstyle
When you get notified of the video you are literally watching.
Love a good destroyer blade, especially on the secret encounters. Equip it, pull the gore nest apart, jump back & start charging, then just shoot at the first thing that moves. That smashed the "prowler + mancubus in a cupboard" fight near the end of ARC complex for me.
I'm only playing on Ultra Violence right now for my first full playthrough, and probably dying a little more than I should. But that's because I'm actively trying to mix up my play style to use more weapons & mods to find a good set of combos for me. I've found a lot of these vids super useful for pointing out the little combos and such, for example until recently I had it in my head that grenades & ice bombs shared a cooldown, so never equipment swapped, and I barely used the SSG at all.
I still make basic mistakes, but I'm getting noticeably better at things, even if I need to learn to double check the game hasn't "helped" me after I died by switching the Unmakyr back to the BFG before I pull it out and shoot. Although I will admit, I did handle the Marauder secret encounter with a stagger + BFG combo to get it done in the time, so I'm not THAT precious about my ammo usage for it.
Theirs only 1 way to play doom eternal
The fun zone
When I first played DE, I chose MM, destroyer blade, and microwave beam because they were the mods that I didn't see showcased in the game's trailers and I wanted to try them out. They were fun! I just choose to use certain mods sometimes because I think they're cool.
"There's something for everyone"
Its a Dark Souls of shooters
This game really makes you feel like Doom Slayer
Sorry
More so Devil May Cry of shooters
@M S E There are indeed similarity between the two games when it comes to learning them. You can beat both just by learning how to avoid taking damage but to reach a higher level and the "fun zone" it require certain knowledge. In doom it's weapon swapping/combo, in souls it's knowing enemy behaviours, stats (esp health/poise threshold) and maps.
What you said at 9:40 was true for me. It was you who I was trying to play like for the past few months and since I got into pc gaming for Eternal, it was all fresh (keybinds) and I wasn't able to get anywhere near what you do. For example I still struggle hard with pb rocket quick swap. For the last 2 weeks or so I sorta dread getting on like its a paper I need to write. Your play is cool and it motivated me to be better for a time but I ended up in the classic mistake of comparing myself to another and it sucked the fun right out. I'm gonna go play on hurt me plenty, spam the SSG and forget to use the flame belch like the good old days- just have a bit of fun. I'll work on quickswaps later.
Mayo's content never disappoint. Just enter your video when I see notification pop up❤️
micro missiles are also incredibly effective for people that like to be mobile and zoom through the air with the ballista, jump pads and yeethooks while they fight. It's like a death from above fighter jet-type weapon, allowing you to lay down the punishment on larger areas.
Do speedrunners even use weapons at all? Or just YEET themselves through the map from the first ledge to the end zone.
I just tried to do the supergore nest on nightmare and got super demoralized and eventually quit! This made me feel a lot better about it! So thanks!
Can you do a video on DOOM 3?
Doubtful. I dont have much to say
@@underthemayo I liked it, but I just want to see if I'm not the only one
@@sirragnarok3242 You're not the only one. I like it. But doom 3 is the worst doom game.
@@joladouillenoname4404 It is the worst, but it's kind of like "the worst of the best situation"
this is actually great. and thanks for touching on microwave beam; i feel like it is massively underrated for all the utility you touched on and more. also experimentation is good, i've done a few runs of DLC and main campaign using only "off-meta" mods and it's actually a blast and helps you find your playstyle amongst all the options; but even more than that it helps you expand it and polish it and understand it so you can be a better player. and the more success you find in your playstyle the more you engage with the game and the more fun you have. 10/10 video, we are lucky to have you in the community.
Honestly the elitism in the PC community hurts the progression in console. We get it. Our control scheme isn't superior.
It never has been, yet they still NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT
It’s really annoying, in every single doom eternal video I watched, there was always someone acting superior just because they played the game on PC.
@@hambonepng1152 I play on pc and I hate elitism
All the new kids ruined doom from what it was. They think their fucking elitists but their just ruining doom from what it was
SmvR wants to have a little chat.
I used to write off the destroyer blade, but your experimental style encouraged me to try and change things up and I figured out the ice bomb and destroyer blade on a weakened super heavy demon usually eliminates them or gets them close enough to death where I can finish them off. I’m glad you made this video encouraging players to play their own way and not emulate what others are doing, because this game allows a lot of creativity and room for different playstyles and players need to realize to have fun in the ways they like the most and start experimenting.
When you’re so fast you can’t even think of something funny: *DJ Kaled suffering from success*
My player style is fast and creative. and I use a lot of chain guns shield in my play so I do not take a lot of damage when I’m moving. Usually, I activate it with. I’m bound to take massive hits of damage and also if I get out of a glory kill where the live enemies is around me..
How is the comment 4 days ago?
I pin the comment when I upload and the schedule release.
For sure playing how you're most comfortable is the way to go. I like to play with fast glory kills and glory kill speed boosts, running around like a maniac from fodder to fodder and chaining the boost. Sure, equipment fiend and long stagger are better but I love playing the game this way, it's so stylish and aggressive.
On the topic of precision bolt, I feel like it's just too good, maybe I'm jaded because I've spent so much time with the game so quickswapping it in combos is just easy to me, so it feels like a straight upgrade. I think it's kinda out of it's intended role of weak point destroyer and now is just kind of a dps tool. Kinda steals the spotlight from the chaingun and micro-missles intended role when pbolt quickswaps are way more dps for the amount of ammo you're spending.