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The Chad Mossholder automap ambiance has been an issue before this update, you can accidentally cause it to Blare twice as loud if you so much as glance at the automap. And yes. It annoyed me enough to turn off the game, because of how much I love the environment and soundtrack, and it's like someone abruptly starting a lawnmower indoors while your making a phonecall, it's that annoying.
Nobody: Mayo: I think this room is ok, they couldve improved it by adding 3 doom hunters with 2 cyber demons and 4 archives....maybe the devil to spice it up and god himself to improve the flow
His idea of fun is far too masochistic. And don't get me started on his idea of removing options like the BFG shot on the 2 Archviles behind the force fields. *All levels should be balanced,* _even Master levels,_ not just insanely difficult to the point where only after 100s of hours of playing Eternal could you dream about beating them. Veterans need to understand that only mods could satisfy their desire of unthinkable difficulty. These levels should be fun for everyone, even for total newbies on ITYTD.
@bickboose9364 Well, you've clearly not seen most of Hugo Martin's interviews. I think it was with either mayo or travguy that he said the master levels are meant to NOT be balanced for the player.
It still feels off to me that they released TAG how they did only to revert things later, but these master levels since SGN are great. I can't wait to see the TAG master levels.
I really need an option to save my progress during master levels. I spent 4 hours to beat this level and thank god i had that time. Why can't i just "save & quit"? Those levels are huge, and a lot of people don't have time to play it in one shot.
@@dshaprin sorry to hear that bro. I fell throught the textures on the last Marauder on Taras Nabad, was pretty upset to replay through last 4 arenas because of that.
I still haven’t finished this fucking level and I think I’ve sinker like 9 or 10 hours on it , the number of time I start , have a great time but gets discouraged midway through because of how intense it is and I just quit. It really sucks because the level really is fun but I just can’t fucking finish it because a 4 hours playthrough is just too exhausting to do in one go for me
5:29 Mayo: "I've talked to many skilled veterans who didn't know that you could freeze the Doom Hunter" Me who still hasn't even completed the base campaign on Ultra-Nightmare but knows the Doom Hunter can be frozen: "You know, I'm something of a skilled veteran myself."
I love that they used maykr drones as fodder for blood punch refills as well as health refills, it kinda changes the meta from chainsawing to actively sniping things. Quite interesting!
Don't agree at all with the sentiment that more fodder = "not interesting." I still found them fun to fight, and I think it adds to the frenetic pace when the new, higher numbers are used in combination with heavies and supers. But even on their own, a dense wave of fodder gives me that feeling like I'm facing down a horde of demons but also gives me a moment to just let loose instead of having to plan out my moves as strategically when heavies are present.
Yeah I love hordes of fodder. However on their own I think they work better as surprises or incidental encounters inbetween big fights, not as multiple main attractions cuz that can get stale. In World Spear specifically, the courtyard of nothing but imps is like "haha ok yeah that's funny," but then the arena with the fountain is just fodder again with like 2 Whiplashes at the end, and that's disappointing. At least add a Pain Elemental or Tyrant in there as well. Taras Nabad ML handled fodder really well though. They used them inbetween fights for fun surprises and the fodder numbers during actual arenas were INSANE.
100% agree, Im happy we finally get to see proper fodder hordes, the few groupings of them in cultist base ML made me think we'd see a lot of that throughout even the campaign
Really like the idea of having saves in master level. It's get tiring while playing in nightmare mode. I ended game level midway just because i was tired, after whole day job, i know i am not a hardcore fan but still i love this game.
I liked it even more than the SGN ML tbh. Honestly I'd argue that the main goal of MLs should be to make the level more fun, not just really hard. I found this one harder than SGN too, but the main reason I like it more was because I found it more fun. Plus considering Taras Nabad is one of the worse levels in the game, the fact that they made it this good already says a lot.
I think the main goal is to do both and this one does both well. I like this one more because there's a lot more open arena fights and the arenas I think feel better to navigate. The big arena in SGN feels a little awkward sometimes to navigate.
@@stilo2703For me, it honestly never was, I hated Taras Nabad... ... Until I played the Master Level on Classic Mode, 1 Hour ago. I am in love with this Master Level, and so I now love the regular Taras Nabad aswell. In fact, it's my Favorite Level in the whole Game now!! It's funny, how my most hated Level became my Favorite, just because of this Incredible Master Level.
@@underthemayo I didn't find the fodder to be a problem in this master level because the arenas aren't "kill 50 fodder and be done," it's "kill 50 fodder ON TOP OF a normal arena fight!" The skinny sewer arena with the fog in the lower areas in particular is SO cramped cuz of the fodder, it's ridiculous. I will say Taras Nabad's ML seems to be going for an "escalation" gimmick, where you START fighting mostly just fodder, but then it starts stacking heavies on top of heavies until bam 3 Barons. I can only remember two incidental encounters where it was only a squad of Imps and a squad of Gargoyles respectively, which are fun little breathers to have inbetween bigger fights. They shouldn't be main attractions more than like, once per level though, cuz it can get stale if that's all you fight.
Totally agree The whole level was very hard for me, because I played with a normal controller, and the double arch vile room was almost imposible (I didn't found the BFG) and finally the last battle felt like an epic celebration of this master level, wasn't that hard but I really enjoyed the teleportation
@@LiberatedMind1 i know people will call you toxic, and to some extent you are, but hard agree here, there was a lot of gimmicky stuff that i didnt enjoy
Just want to say, thanks a lot Mayo. You pushed me from ITYD to Nightmare. You held my hands teaching me the crucial combat techniques. Doom eternal is my very first FPS games and now I am open to many more FPS games like Dusk and Amid evil.
Mayo - I like my anonymity so I can't make thumbnails with the stupid "youtuber face" - wait...I can do the stupid youtuber face with my Mayo cartoon avatar. LMAO
The skinny sewer arena with the fog in the lower areas? Ohhhh yeah, I got stuck on that one too. That's gonna be my kryptonite for Ultra Nightmare. I learned to Crucible the Tyrant with the spare charge near the entrance, and BFG when the Whiplashes appear. I also need to learn to stock up more safely--either going for a lonely fodder or dropping a grenade first. Because they'll box you in when you come out of the glorykill or chainsaw.
pretty off-topic, but i hope that someday, we'll get a fan mod or maybe even an official map pack that's inspired by the plutonia experiment. lots of ambushes full of possessed revenants, pain elementals and arch viles. you know, just in case you lack some suffering in your life
Thats what Im Thinking since The Combat of Doom Eternal is Close to Perfect, An Advanced Map Creator or Full Mod Support Tool is indeed needed In Doom Eternal. We just want more than Base/DLC Campaign Maps.
@@LethalKicks I agree. Like remember how the Classic Doom decades later its still alive and kickin due to its full mod support tools and Map Packs made by fans? I wish Doom Eternal will share the same fate and that will make me return to aspire for making Doom Maps Again.
@@RED-WEAPON I didn' say they do nothing, they just don't do enough for what's suppose to be a master level. Its a decent and kinda fun level, but it fails to deliver master level challenge. SGN ML is much harder and far better designed.
I actually didn't know you could freeze the Doom Hunter either, honestly. I tried during the boss fight, didn't work, and thought "huh, okay, guess he doesn't freeze."
You may have heard, but Hugo said on facebook that World Spear is coming next along with a base game level. I'm very excited to see what they can do with the DLC enemies and the hammer.
I actually appreciated the fodder waves. It provided an easy way to replenish my health and ammo as quickly as possible. A quick ice-flame-grenade combo had me swimming in health and armor again so I could get back to my run of killing heavies. I'm assuming they added this in case you couldn't be bothered glory-killing in the middle of a wave, because you essentially stop for a second, so this way, you still keep your momentum up.
16:22 I'm fairly certain they took a page from classic Doom here. The 2 Archviles behind walls trolling you reminds me of Plutonia's MAP31, where there's 2 Archviles that teleport behind fake walls to harass you just before you set free the first Cyberdemon.
Those waves of fodder are probably just there to restock your inventory between waves and sections. The first time I did that tunnel area with the buff totem, I ran around for 10 minutes trying to find it so I'm glad there wasn't a bunch of heavy demons running around. I get the criticism but sometimes it just uncalled for. Not everything has to be exactly what you want it to be. This game and staff has delivered far more than anyone could of thought or asked for and they deserve our gratitude for being so dedicated to the fans and all their hard work. Not one studio would do the same. I will give props to the No Mans Sky guys though bc they stepped up when everyone hated them and delivered more than what they originally promised.
That room where you get the coin for the crucible is f*cking brutal. I died so many times in that room and I loved it. Figuring out how to beat that room was one of the most satisfying things I have ever experienced in gaming.
The Master Level campaign is gonna be sooooo good if they keep the quality up with these levels. I'm so excited for it! Also I would LOVE to see classic mode implemented for the rest of the levels in the game, both in the regular campaign, the two other Master Levels, and DLC. It really adds a lot to replayability and reminds me so much of Classic Doom.
Such a great level in my opinion. There’s quite a few genius enemy combos and really intense arenas. The nerfs for TAG1 reverted too, new cosmetics, ray tracing? Great update in my opinion
It is definitely the hardest level in all of the base game, can't judge for dlc's since I don't have them. I think this might be my favorite level because it's the only one I have trouble beating on nightmare.
Something I actually enjoyed is the fact that these master levels are IN LOVE with arachnotrons,tyrants,whiplashes,cyber mancubus’s and pain elementals
Dude, I love this game and have beat it a few times, beat dlc ect, don't play it religiously though, but I seriously had NO idea you could freeze a doom hunter... Holy shit you have opened up so many new doors for me lol
One extra thing about the master level that's pretty funny. If you go to retrieve your Crucible without killing the demons first, they will all stop dead in their tracks during the cutscene and watch as they allow The Doom-Slayer to take his time picking it up. It's pretty amusing. I do not skip this scene now.
Really loved this new master level but also helped me appreciate the main campaign,tag1and tag2 because if the entirety of doom eternal was like the master levels It would have been exhausting
That tyrant room, I didn't wanted to use the sword and had no shotgun ammo, managed to kill 2 tyrants and was left with the chainsaw, one blood punch and the tyrant, I just freezed him and threw the blood punch with granades, and then just waited to finish him off with more granades
I got my arse kicked on that starting section when the Pain's and Spectres spawn, litearlly spent over an hour trying to beat the circular room with the hidden buff totem - had to take a 10 minute break to cool off lol. The end of the level was really good fun though with all the teleporting, powerups and Crucible pickups.
3:49 I was to ask that, because before the update I have no problem fast headshooting to mastery the Heavy Cannon but after the update I miss the shot almost 95% of the times
Ditto.... can’t imagine why they changed this, me too, was pretty darn accurate with the precision bolt, now it misses half the time even with very careful aim...
I wish they'd add the ability to save and continue these master levels, they're honestly overwhelming to me still as a semi-casual player and it's just not digestible, I still haven't beaten the gore nest one yet :/
FINALLY did my first play through last night (UV). I'm dreading classic mode, but I think I can get the UN version of this one done (that's the only thing I need on SGN). Close quarter fights really help guys like me, who aren't top tier, force themselves to stay mobile, think faster, and get comfortable with different weapon combinations. This is the type of content I love and that brings people back to the game. Good job Id
when i finally tried my hand and beating this level on nightmare the other week, i found the best way to deal with the double archvile room was to go to the dreadknight spawn and prepare a destroyer blade, ice bomb them immediately after and finish them off with SSG+Ballista then I used the crucible against both tyrants and fired the BFG once the shield lifted to deal with one of the archviles and clean up some of the demons that they summoned
I actually enjoy the fodder battles even though they aren't challenging. They're a fun power fantasy moment and a break from the brutal combat. mowing down a huge group of imps with plasma gun is so much fun
I think the big Fodder waves all worked really well in this Master Level, because they usually either bookend tough encounters/waves, letting you regain your resources in a more fun way than just having some pickups, or because they usually spawn with a couple Heavy demons as well to keep things spicy. If you're used to gunning for trigger demons and take out all the big guys before you put much of any focus on Fodder, then I bet that could make things more tedious than if you were looking for moments to mow down Fodder while still in the thick of it - so maybe that's having a negative impact for you?
I don't go for trigger demons. I make it a point to not learn them, to keep myself in a more freeform style of play. My issue with constant fodder waves is that they're kinda one dimensional. Here and there is fine. I love the fodder buff room in SGN master level. I just thing lately they're doing it too much.
I´ve avoided gameplays of this master level as I'm short in time to play it and don't want to get spoiled. Skipped all of Hmmmp recent videos for the same reason, but this review from mayo didn´t really ruin the level for me, in any case I wanna play it even more! Great review Mayo, keep up the good work!
Those fodder sections where they just throw a bunch of fodder at you I use them as health and resource management thsts what's it for because the following arenas are really intense. It comes in so clutch when you are low on stuff
I didn't know you could beam a dog to falter the maurader ! Excellent as the hit scan is rubbish on the dogs no matter how good you hit em! Thanks UnderTheMayo!!!
Also I never have seen that last Cyberdemon encounter with the swords, I saw the one in the courtyard but I died during it, and got sent back to the place with all the crucible charges, it spawned more and tougher enemies the second time, and skipped the courtyard and cyberdemon part and went straight to the marauders
i just hope we don't have to wait for Nekravol Part 2 man those two are my favorite levels, but if we end up getting the Master Level split into two sections I'm gonna be the big sad
My first time through the Blood Swamps physically exhausted me, and my first time through this master level fried my brain and I genuinely had to take a break from Doom for like 2 or 3 days lol.
I hope we get a Master Level that throws ALL demon types at you throughout. I'd like to say the final stage "Hell on Earth" with that rockin' theme playing, but forgot they said they won't be adding the newer DLC enemies to the campaign areas. Perhaps a Master Level of the Blood Swamps? Just imagining a harder version of that place fills me with dread. . . 😮
So I'm not crazy when I was thinking that my precision bolt and ballista weren't hitting smaller targets. I also noticed that micro missiles hurt you and I'm not sure that existed before this update and I don't know if it's a bug or a feature and funny enough I did end up BFGing the double Archviles because I was out of practice and got overwhelmed so I needed a BFG shot. Never thought about using it exploit the fight, seems a little dumb to load up a ML and then use exploits to beat it
I enjoyed this level so much! Definitely liked it more than SGN ML. Only thing I didn’t care for was the Archvile room, since it felt like you were forced to use super weapons to clear it, and the overuse of Prowlers. (It also crashed in that room when I fired the BFG on my first playthrough and I lost two hours of progress.) Ray tracing looks fantastic, but it’s pretty buggy so far and performance for me is sometimes inconsistent. It didn’t drop frames at all for Taras Nabad ML, but it tanked during Final Sin with less enemies on screen. But I’m incredibly annoyed that most of the bugs from before STILL haven’t been fixed… Automap ambience, BFG crash, No Target, stage challenge completion resetting? All still there, a year later. I’d gladly take the longest content drought possible if it means fixing all of these bugs. EDIT: Also, WHY IS THE OLD MENU MUSIC SITLL GONE?!
Inconsistent RT performance is a VRAM issue. Either close all other applications (like browsers, media players) that uses GPU VRAM. Or decrease texture pool size setting to decrease VRAM consumption.
@@sho846 yeah, I figured it was a VRAM thing. Glad to have that confirmed. Can’t get a new GPU right now (for obvious reasons to anyone who’s been trying for the past 7 months), so I’ll just live with it. I’m just glad it’s working as well as it is for me.
currently trying to beat UN and my god Doom hunter is so much easier now. never understood why the boss variant couldn't be icebombed but the normal ones could. Thank you ID!
I had a bug with a Whiplash in the arena right after the Arachnotron and 3 Mecha-Zombie area. It died, but its hissing would not stop, even when I died. I heard it throughout the whole Prowler-Marauder fight. It only webt away when I went fare enough away from it
They say professionals make things look easy. No this does not at all look easy. THIS IS PANT SHITTING BALLS TO THE WALL HELL MODE! and im all about it o-o
After getting it together and focusing on the proper stuff to the point of turning off the UI so I can stop looking at my health and armor and observe the demons, I did beat Classic Nightmare TN. What a ride, definitely not without issue. I'm glad I went almost entirely blind the whole way through since I was made aware of something about that Archvile room. I didn't know anything else, went straight to Classic to figure every little piece at a time. That circular room with the Tyrants, Prowlers and Marauders was indeed incredible. I would say it was perfect! The best use of Prowlers in-game! the Tyrants do feel like a threat and the Marauders make us rethink the role of the Prowlers. First personal roadblock which did prompt me to stop for the first time and refocus was that circular room. The second was obviously the Medallion Room. It took me hours to figure it out and, I admit, my own anger turned me into a scrub for a bit. I got better at it and, after dinner on the night of completion, I did the room perfectly aka get healthy and focused and don't hesitate to take breaks. Of course, the claustrophobic room with the Archvile was the third and final roadblock. I spent hours upon hours across two tries. Yes, my run in TN required me 4 resets so I could get things down. I eventually got the BFG which did help. I honestly wish we had a few more Pumpkins, incredibly underused outside of specific waves when the Pain Elemental does the job extremely well. I also believe we had the best uses of Prowlers and Whiplashes in a while for this level. The second I saw the Marauder on the bridge, I did have a smile since I've been supportive of its design as a true wild card for the chess of Hell. It brings home how much the game is about focus and multitasking. It did force me to rethink its stun mechanic. I even laugh a bit now when I see one so imagine a duo. With the knowledge aquired from TN, I would be ready for what id has in store in the next months. I would give it a solid 8 if I were to grade this Master Level. I admit there are times where I was frustrated, but I was often responsible of my own death. For enemies that feel like fodders, the Prowlers finally earned some respect. Many deaths, many hours, but a great sense of accomplishment and I had my brother supporting me live.
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Mayo, lots of spoilers!! Haven't played the classic mode yet! Please add a disclaimer.
Nice work Mayo :) Putting in the time to write a script and produce quality content shows and is appreciated
The Chad Mossholder automap ambiance has been an issue before this update, you can accidentally cause it to Blare twice as loud if you so much as glance at the automap.
And yes. It annoyed me enough to turn off the game, because of how much I love the environment and soundtrack, and it's like someone abruptly starting a lawnmower indoors while your making a phonecall, it's that annoying.
I am surprised you didn't adressed that minigun shield exploit fix .
I really wish the Master Levels let you pick between Crucible or Hammer when you start up. It would add a lot to the experience and re-playability.
Mayo: "Make me uncomfortable. Put me in tight spaces."
Also Mayo: "Like i said, i love seeing tentacles"
Mayo is a sussy baka.
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Mayo probably has a tentacle fetish
Mayo IS a tentacle
oh no
In UAC Atlantica the Raytracing helped because in the reflection I could see one of the marauders running towards me from behind lol. That was cool
mmmm how do i get "the rtx"
@@bragginrites8586 And next-gen consoles :)
@@DanteGaidenOfficial *current Gen
@@sodecdash9336 not quite yet IMO, stuff is still coming out for the pisspoor and the XBone
I doubt PS4 can even do ray tracing.
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Mayo: I think this room is ok, they couldve improved it by adding 3 doom hunters with 2 cyber demons and 4 archives....maybe the devil to spice it up and god himself to improve the flow
good point
Lolol. Doom logic, as many enemies as possible at all times.
His idea of fun is far too masochistic. And don't get me started on his idea of removing options like the BFG shot on the 2 Archviles behind the force fields.
*All levels should be balanced,* _even Master levels,_ not just insanely difficult to the point where only after 100s of hours of playing Eternal could you dream about beating them.
Veterans need to understand that only mods could satisfy their desire of unthinkable difficulty. These levels should be fun for everyone, even for total newbies on ITYTD.
@@bickboose9364 true, true.
@bickboose9364 Well, you've clearly not seen most of Hugo Martin's interviews. I think it was with either mayo or travguy that he said the master levels are meant to NOT be balanced for the player.
The two arch vile part is just trolling, is something made by Romero.....and I love it
yes it's just a little trolling
Should've been three lol
Romero does a little trolling
@Metalheadjake spam sticky bombs on the ground and remote detonation, meathook the prawler and chainsaw the imps
@Metalheadjake I tried to BFG the tyrants and it didn't work, at least it got rid of come of the bigger demons on the process
"we're not going to be kind to you when designing those levels" - well, Hugo wasn't joking, and the threat was delivered
Hugo Is a man that do what he speaks, and god how I love that
It still feels off to me that they released TAG how they did only to revert things later, but these master levels since SGN are great. I can't wait to see the TAG master levels.
I really need an option to save my progress during master levels. I spent 4 hours to beat this level and thank god i had that time. Why can't i just "save & quit"? Those levels are huge, and a lot of people don't have time to play it in one shot.
Completely agree! The first time that I played Super Gore Nest, the BFG crashed the game in the last wave in the last arena.
@@dshaprin sorry to hear that bro. I fell throught the textures on the last Marauder on Taras Nabad, was pretty upset to replay through last 4 arenas because of that.
when I got to the part where you fight the revenant on the toxic water it crashed my game when I got to there
I still haven’t finished this fucking level and I think I’ve sinker like 9 or 10 hours on it , the number of time I start , have a great time but gets discouraged midway through because of how intense it is and I just quit.
It really sucks because the level really is fun but I just can’t fucking finish it because a 4 hours playthrough is just too exhausting to do in one go for me
(Also the level crashed 2 times after 2 hours of progression each when it first came out so that doesn’t help)
5:29
Mayo: "I've talked to many skilled veterans who didn't know that you could freeze the Doom Hunter"
Me who still hasn't even completed the base campaign on Ultra-Nightmare but knows the Doom Hunter can be frozen: "You know, I'm something of a skilled veteran myself."
I love that they used maykr drones as fodder for blood punch refills as well as health refills, it kinda changes the meta from chainsawing to actively sniping things. Quite interesting!
Don't agree at all with the sentiment that more fodder = "not interesting." I still found them fun to fight, and I think it adds to the frenetic pace when the new, higher numbers are used in combination with heavies and supers. But even on their own, a dense wave of fodder gives me that feeling like I'm facing down a horde of demons but also gives me a moment to just let loose instead of having to plan out my moves as strategically when heavies are present.
Yeah, like I can use flame belch plus a rocket and get a tidal wave of armor lol
Yeah I love hordes of fodder. However on their own I think they work better as surprises or incidental encounters inbetween big fights, not as multiple main attractions cuz that can get stale.
In World Spear specifically, the courtyard of nothing but imps is like "haha ok yeah that's funny," but then the arena with the fountain is just fodder again with like 2 Whiplashes at the end, and that's disappointing. At least add a Pain Elemental or Tyrant in there as well.
Taras Nabad ML handled fodder really well though. They used them inbetween fights for fun surprises and the fodder numbers during actual arenas were INSANE.
@@RacingSnails64 They also used interersting types of fodder. Every corner has a shield guy around it and fucking gargoyles are always harassing you
Mayo just wants STRESS
100% agree, Im happy we finally get to see proper fodder hordes, the few groupings of them in cultist base ML made me think we'd see a lot of that throughout even the campaign
Really like the idea of having saves in master level. It's get tiring while playing in nightmare mode. I ended game level midway just because i was tired, after whole day job, i know i am not a hardcore fan but still i love this game.
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Great update, but I still miss the original menu theme dearly :(
Same here and it seems like such an easy fix. Just make an option in the settings to turn on/off original theme or TAG theme.
@@dtsyt82 yeah I really don't understand why they had to change it. If they really wanted TAG to have it's own theme. Put the option in on settings.
Probably because that theme was by Mick Gordon and he will no longer make music for Doom, but ye, it should be kept
i think they changed it out of spite to mick gordon lol
@@__ohen779_loves_rng__ He may have composed the music, but the rights belong to id Software. They can do whatever they want with the music.
I liked it even more than the SGN ML tbh. Honestly I'd argue that the main goal of MLs should be to make the level more fun, not just really hard. I found this one harder than SGN too, but the main reason I like it more was because I found it more fun. Plus considering Taras Nabad is one of the worse levels in the game, the fact that they made it this good already says a lot.
I think the main goal is to do both and this one does both well. I like this one more because there's a lot more open arena fights and the arenas I think feel better to navigate. The big arena in SGN feels a little awkward sometimes to navigate.
@@trice286 same
Dude Taras Nabad, the regular campaign one, is one of my favorite levels.
@@stilo2703For me, it honestly never was, I hated Taras Nabad...
... Until I played the Master Level on Classic Mode, 1 Hour ago. I am in love with this Master Level, and so I now love the regular Taras Nabad aswell. In fact, it's my Favorite Level in the whole Game now!!
It's funny, how my most hated Level became my Favorite, just because of this Incredible Master Level.
I agree, it's hard, but in a fun and unique way, it feels organic.
And now we are getting an official horde mode. The best fps of this generation
Oh shoot really? Dang, I heard stuff about another horde mode but I had no clue it was by Id software themselves this time!
I gotta' look into that.
Wait? Really
to everyone in the thread
yup, iD confirmed we're getting it, although they cut Invasion Mode so kind of sad
@@andreadebernardis4390 invasion mode would have only been a short lived gimmick anyways.
@@Sixstringman short lived and annoying gimmick
I like the waves of fodder. Fun to mow things down once in a while and maintain pace.
Totally fair. Not everyone is gonna feel the same way. I like them from time to time. But I think they're being over used.
@@underthemayo I didn't find the fodder to be a problem in this master level because the arenas aren't "kill 50 fodder and be done," it's "kill 50 fodder ON TOP OF a normal arena fight!" The skinny sewer arena with the fog in the lower areas in particular is SO cramped cuz of the fodder, it's ridiculous.
I will say Taras Nabad's ML seems to be going for an "escalation" gimmick, where you START fighting mostly just fodder, but then it starts stacking heavies on top of heavies until bam 3 Barons. I can only remember two incidental encounters where it was only a squad of Imps and a squad of Gargoyles respectively, which are fun little breathers to have inbetween bigger fights. They shouldn't be main attractions more than like, once per level though, cuz it can get stale if that's all you fight.
i spent 30 minutes in the last fight with marauders and when i nearly died at the end i screamed! last fight is the best encouter in doom eternal imo
It’s a master level. You gotta be a sweaty tryhard to really enjoy it. Which is absolutely fine.
Last fight isn't hard, its just annoying with them constantly spawning dogs. It needed more enemies, mediocre overall.
Totally agree
The whole level was very hard for me, because I played with a normal controller, and the double arch vile room was almost imposible (I didn't found the BFG) and finally the last battle felt like an epic celebration of this master level, wasn't that hard but I really enjoyed the teleportation
@@shmekelfreckles8157 Master level my ass, Tag1 is harder
@@LiberatedMind1 i know people will call you toxic, and to some extent you are, but hard agree here, there was a lot of gimmicky stuff that i didnt enjoy
Just want to say, thanks a lot Mayo. You pushed me from ITYD to Nightmare. You held my hands teaching me the crucial combat techniques. Doom eternal is my very first FPS games and now I am open to many more FPS games like Dusk and Amid evil.
Same
Mayo - I like my anonymity so I can't make thumbnails with the stupid "youtuber face" - wait...I can do the stupid youtuber face with my Mayo cartoon avatar. LMAO
A big wave of fodder might not be much of a challenge on it's own, but seeing a mass of claws and teeth frantically running towards you looks epic.
16:26 ,,Make me uncomfortable, put me in tight spaces...'' -Under the Mayo out of context
This man is just a glutton for pain, yeah this room is good but I’m thinking some archviles after the marauders.
Maligog mechas and shield guys are coming back now
That room in the middle of the level just before you get dead titan had me stuck for like an hour. It. Was. So. Much. Too. Handle.
It took me more than 24 to get to the Archvile's room, *im dead inside*
@@samylatortuga6969 I accidentally cheesed it. I double BFG'd because I had spare shots 🤣🤣
The skinny sewer arena with the fog in the lower areas? Ohhhh yeah, I got stuck on that one too. That's gonna be my kryptonite for Ultra Nightmare.
I learned to Crucible the Tyrant with the spare charge near the entrance, and BFG when the Whiplashes appear. I also need to learn to stock up more safely--either going for a lonely fodder or dropping a grenade first. Because they'll box you in when you come out of the glorykill or chainsaw.
pretty off-topic, but i hope that someday, we'll get a fan mod or maybe even an official map pack that's inspired by the plutonia experiment. lots of ambushes full of possessed revenants, pain elementals and arch viles. you know, just in case you lack some suffering in your life
Thats what Im Thinking since The Combat of Doom Eternal is Close to Perfect, An Advanced Map Creator or Full Mod Support Tool is indeed needed In Doom Eternal. We just want more than Base/DLC Campaign Maps.
@@HobeyDator that would make it best game of all time IMO
@@LethalKicks I agree. Like remember how the Classic Doom decades later its still alive and kickin due to its full mod support tools and Map Packs made by fans? I wish Doom Eternal will share the same fate and that will make me return to aspire for making Doom Maps Again.
@@HobeyDator that's why we need snapmap 2.0 😔
@@HobeyDator I also did some mods and maps for Classic Doom and I still play it very often to this day. Let's hope our wishes will become reality!
i actually like the fodder waves, it feels like classic doom where you can just mow em down
The answer to you’re question about fodder waves is easy, it feels like the original
amen
That is stupid, its suppose to be a master level.
@@LiberatedMind1 The fodder don't do nothing. They provide projectiles, distraction, and harassment.
@@RED-WEAPON I didn' say they do nothing, they just don't do enough for what's suppose to be a master level. Its a decent and kinda fun level, but it fails to deliver master level challenge. SGN ML is much harder and far better designed.
Yeah i miss the original main menu theme.
Another update: dark lord is now unvulnerable to any weapon if his shield is rised
(Sorry for errors, i have a pretty bad english)
New update: Icon of Sin damages itself every time it punches the ground, lol
@@RacingSnails64 lmao
@@RacingSnails64 ya know, gotta give to those architects for making such a damn strong building
@@grod5998 LOL good point!
I’d argue the BFG exploit is fine in the archvile room, it’d require you to restrain yourself enough to save 1 BFG shot throughout the whole level
New in DOOM Eternal Update 6: Doors open doors
That actually happened to me once.
Also stfu penguin
Stfu Russian bot
Dies from funny
i literally always get softlocked by a door opening a door, i cant even play the master level because of it
If O'connell did this level then there will be a hidden fight somewhere that needs found
I actually didn't know you could freeze the Doom Hunter either, honestly. I tried during the boss fight, didn't work, and thought "huh, okay, guess he doesn't freeze."
I swear with every cool update I look so forward to your thoughts on it.
They need to make some master levels for the DLCs honestly
They are making them for DLC2. No word on the first one yet
They are
You may have heard, but Hugo said on facebook that World Spear is coming next along with a base game level. I'm very excited to see what they can do with the DLC enemies and the hammer.
I actually appreciated the fodder waves. It provided an easy way to replenish my health and ammo as quickly as possible. A quick ice-flame-grenade combo had me swimming in health and armor again so I could get back to my run of killing heavies. I'm assuming they added this in case you couldn't be bothered glory-killing in the middle of a wave, because you essentially stop for a second, so this way, you still keep your momentum up.
16:22 I'm fairly certain they took a page from classic Doom here. The 2 Archviles behind walls trolling you reminds me of Plutonia's MAP31, where there's 2 Archviles that teleport behind fake walls to harass you just before you set free the first Cyberdemon.
Pro tip: On the double archville part. If you fire to bfg shots from the end of the corridor, the bfgs tentacles will kill the Archvilles
9:12
"Always nice to see tentacles"
-Under The Mayo 😏
Those waves of fodder are probably just there to restock your inventory between waves and sections. The first time I did that tunnel area with the buff totem, I ran around for 10 minutes trying to find it so I'm glad there wasn't a bunch of heavy demons running around. I get the criticism but sometimes it just uncalled for. Not everything has to be exactly what you want it to be. This game and staff has delivered far more than anyone could of thought or asked for and they deserve our gratitude for being so dedicated to the fans and all their hard work. Not one studio would do the same. I will give props to the No Mans Sky guys though bc they stepped up when everyone hated them and delivered more than what they originally promised.
I play Battlemode and I can tell you, Corrosion is one of my favorite maps. So good
I onestly LOVE having lots of fadders in the arenas, but not as triggers and not by they own
(Sorry for errors, i have a pretty bad english)
That room where you get the coin for the crucible is f*cking brutal. I died so many times in that room and I loved it. Figuring out how to beat that room was one of the most satisfying things I have ever experienced in gaming.
Playing this was a Rush, I love this Master Level, and the New Skins. Great Review, Mayo!
I thought that my aim was just worse after the update, maybe it is but i have an excuse now
The Master Level campaign is gonna be sooooo good if they keep the quality up with these levels. I'm so excited for it! Also I would LOVE to see classic mode implemented for the rest of the levels in the game, both in the regular campaign, the two other Master Levels, and DLC. It really adds a lot to replayability and reminds me so much of Classic Doom.
Such a great level in my opinion. There’s quite a few genius enemy combos and really intense arenas. The nerfs for TAG1 reverted too, new cosmetics, ray tracing? Great update in my opinion
Playing the master level made me remember just how long of a level it is
It is definitely the hardest level in all of the base game, can't judge for dlc's since I don't have them. I think this might be my favorite level because it's the only one I have trouble beating on nightmare.
@@Jay-bl8ne man I'm still grinding on that UN run, but damn. You beat the pre nerf Holt gate? That's crazy!
Something I actually enjoyed is the fact that these master levels are IN LOVE with arachnotrons,tyrants,whiplashes,cyber mancubus’s and pain elementals
Dude, I love this game and have beat it a few times, beat dlc ect, don't play it religiously though, but I seriously had NO idea you could freeze a doom hunter... Holy shit you have opened up so many new doors for me lol
One extra thing about the master level that's pretty funny. If you go to retrieve your Crucible without killing the demons first, they will all stop dead in their tracks during the cutscene and watch as they allow The Doom-Slayer to take his time picking it up. It's pretty amusing. I do not skip this scene now.
Really loved this new master level but also helped me appreciate the main campaign,tag1and tag2 because if the entirety of doom eternal was like the master levels It would have been exhausting
prowlers has become some of my favorite enemies (especially in groups) over time, so seeing them used in such a good/annoying way is nice
That tyrant room, I didn't wanted to use the sword and had no shotgun ammo, managed to kill 2 tyrants and was left with the chainsaw, one blood punch and the tyrant, I just freezed him and threw the blood punch with granades, and then just waited to finish him off with more granades
I got my arse kicked on that starting section when the Pain's and Spectres spawn, litearlly spent over an hour trying to beat the circular room with the hidden buff totem - had to take a 10 minute break to cool off lol.
The end of the level was really good fun though with all the teleporting, powerups and Crucible pickups.
Great review, can't get a style this distinct anywhere else
taras nabad master level is pure suffering and as a masochist and a doom eternal fan i approve
after finally beating this i have a new love for chain gun shield and a special hatred for prowlers
3:49 I was to ask that, because before the update I have no problem fast headshooting to mastery the Heavy Cannon but after the update I miss the shot almost 95% of the times
Ditto.... can’t imagine why they changed this, me too, was pretty darn accurate with the precision bolt, now it misses half the time even with very careful aim...
I wish they'd add the ability to save and continue these master levels, they're honestly overwhelming to me still as a semi-casual player and it's just not digestible, I still haven't beaten the gore nest one yet :/
I never knew I needed Mayo pog my life
Remember when two marauders and nothing else was a big deal?
I finished doom eternal on normal difficulty today, I found great interest in it thanks to your videos. I love the game so much thank you Mayo man
FINALLY did my first play through last night (UV). I'm dreading classic mode, but I think I can get the UN version of this one done (that's the only thing I need on SGN).
Close quarter fights really help guys like me, who aren't top tier, force themselves to stay mobile, think faster, and get comfortable with different weapon combinations.
This is the type of content I love and that brings people back to the game.
Good job Id
when i finally tried my hand and beating this level on nightmare the other week, i found the best way to deal with the double archvile room was to go to the dreadknight spawn and prepare a destroyer blade, ice bomb them immediately after and finish them off with SSG+Ballista
then I used the crucible against both tyrants and fired the BFG once the shield lifted to deal with one of the archviles and clean up some of the demons that they summoned
I actually enjoy the fodder battles even though they aren't challenging. They're a fun power fantasy moment and a break from the brutal combat. mowing down a huge group of imps with plasma gun is so much fun
I think the big Fodder waves all worked really well in this Master Level, because they usually either bookend tough encounters/waves, letting you regain your resources in a more fun way than just having some pickups, or because they usually spawn with a couple Heavy demons as well to keep things spicy.
If you're used to gunning for trigger demons and take out all the big guys before you put much of any focus on Fodder, then I bet that could make things more tedious than if you were looking for moments to mow down Fodder while still in the thick of it - so maybe that's having a negative impact for you?
I don't go for trigger demons. I make it a point to not learn them, to keep myself in a more freeform style of play. My issue with constant fodder waves is that they're kinda one dimensional. Here and there is fine. I love the fodder buff room in SGN master level. I just thing lately they're doing it too much.
I´ve avoided gameplays of this master level as I'm short in time to play it and don't want to get spoiled. Skipped all of Hmmmp recent videos for the same reason, but this review from mayo didn´t really ruin the level for me, in any case I wanna play it even more! Great review Mayo, keep up the good work!
Those fodder sections where they just throw a bunch of fodder at you I use them as health and resource management thsts what's it for because the following arenas are really intense. It comes in so clutch when you are low on stuff
I didn't know you could beam a dog to falter the maurader !
Excellent as the hit scan is rubbish on the dogs no matter how good you hit em!
Thanks UnderTheMayo!!!
I had no idea the doom hunter could be frozen lol
I've also noticed, that the Marauder fight in the small room on UAC Atlantica is no longer skippable by using the energy shield at the wall it spawns
Also I never have seen that last Cyberdemon encounter with the swords, I saw the one in the courtyard but I died during it, and got sent back to the place with all the crucible charges, it spawned more and tougher enemies the second time, and skipped the courtyard and cyberdemon part and went straight to the marauders
Hopefully the nest Master Levels are DLC 2 ones. I’m dying to fight some Spirits with the Sentinel Hammer
I've been playing the game for over a year and never knew you could freeze a doom hunter
The ray tracing in UAC Atlantica's last room in particular is so cool with how you can look around corners with reflections!! Love it
Bruh that Cursed Prowler sound sounds like the screechy sound effect in the theme for the Winter Soldier, just slightly less screechy.
Thanks Mayo. You are certainly my most favorite doomtuber. Mature and insightful.
I don't know if he mentions this in the video or not, but on PS4 they added options for certain sounds to come through the controller speaker.
The medallion room was the one that I really liked so far - I'm now at the hidden archviles.
I like that the game forces me to think spatially.
Mars Core/Nekravol master level is gunna be fucking nuts, imagine what they will do the boss room on Nekravol!
i just hope we don't have to wait for Nekravol Part 2 man
those two are my favorite levels, but if we end up getting the Master Level split into two sections I'm gonna be the big sad
Boss room on Nekravol? You mean Sentinel Prime or Urdak?
@@kaljakad Nah, kalibas
mayo-pog will forever go down has the 10th wonder of the world, mainly because people are wondering just why this cursed object was created.
Took me all night to beat classic mode on nightmare. Awesome!
this is the only fucking doom eternal level that made me feel pure, mental anguish
My first time through the Blood Swamps physically exhausted me, and my first time through this master level fried my brain and I genuinely had to take a break from Doom for like 2 or 3 days lol.
Mayo is the student that reminds the teacher of homework
Totally agree with a save feature on master levels. This might be the one I just cannot do on nightmare as i just dont have time!
I hope we get a Master Level that throws ALL demon types at you throughout. I'd like to say the final stage "Hell on Earth" with that rockin' theme playing, but forgot they said they won't be adding the newer DLC enemies to the campaign areas. Perhaps a Master Level of the Blood Swamps? Just imagining a harder version of that place fills me with dread. . . 😮
Yeah this really sucks. I like the new enemies a lot. And the Spirits honestly should be a staple for ML. They are such a good addition to the game
that hell knight that hides in the right punch button scared the shit outta me
So I'm not crazy when I was thinking that my precision bolt and ballista weren't hitting smaller targets. I also noticed that micro missiles hurt you and I'm not sure that existed before this update and I don't know if it's a bug or a feature and funny enough I did end up BFGing the double Archviles because I was out of practice and got overwhelmed so I needed a BFG shot. Never thought about using it exploit the fight, seems a little dumb to load up a ML and then use exploits to beat it
Micro Missiles have always done a little bit of self damage yes, even in 2016 actually.
I completed the main campaign and both DLC's on ultra-nightmare and never knew you could freeze the Doomhunter...
I enjoyed this level so much! Definitely liked it more than SGN ML. Only thing I didn’t care for was the Archvile room, since it felt like you were forced to use super weapons to clear it, and the overuse of Prowlers. (It also crashed in that room when I fired the BFG on my first playthrough and I lost two hours of progress.)
Ray tracing looks fantastic, but it’s pretty buggy so far and performance for me is sometimes inconsistent. It didn’t drop frames at all for Taras Nabad ML, but it tanked during Final Sin with less enemies on screen. But I’m incredibly annoyed that most of the bugs from before STILL haven’t been fixed… Automap ambience, BFG crash, No Target, stage challenge completion resetting? All still there, a year later. I’d gladly take the longest content drought possible if it means fixing all of these bugs.
EDIT: Also, WHY IS THE OLD MENU MUSIC SITLL GONE?!
Inconsistent RT performance is a VRAM issue.
Either close all other applications (like browsers, media players) that uses GPU VRAM. Or decrease texture pool size setting to decrease VRAM consumption.
@@sho846 yeah, I figured it was a VRAM thing. Glad to have that confirmed. Can’t get a new GPU right now (for obvious reasons to anyone who’s been trying for the past 7 months), so I’ll just live with it. I’m just glad it’s working as well as it is for me.
Beat on UN tonight! On console on my 4th time playing the level
oh trust me the bfg will go through the boxes too
currently trying to beat UN and my god Doom hunter is so much easier now. never understood why the boss variant couldn't be icebombed but the normal ones could. Thank you ID!
I really liked this master level. I’m not that crazy about taras nabad though but I was very satisfied. I really hope we get hell on earth next
Imagine getting a double Marauder fight in the opening arena lmao
@@TheRedCap30 that would be insane
I had a bug with a Whiplash in the arena right after the Arachnotron and 3 Mecha-Zombie area. It died, but its hissing would not stop, even when I died. I heard it throughout the whole Prowler-Marauder fight. It only webt away when I went fare enough away from it
They say professionals make things look easy. No this does not at all look easy. THIS IS PANT SHITTING BALLS TO THE WALL HELL MODE! and im all about it o-o
I play exclusively with the hammer so that tyrant room at the end was very memorable as I had to find a good time to use it to regain my ammo
After getting it together and focusing on the proper stuff to the point of turning off the UI so I can stop looking at my health and armor and observe the demons, I did beat Classic Nightmare TN. What a ride, definitely not without issue. I'm glad I went almost entirely blind the whole way through since I was made aware of something about that Archvile room. I didn't know anything else, went straight to Classic to figure every little piece at a time.
That circular room with the Tyrants, Prowlers and Marauders was indeed incredible. I would say it was perfect! The best use of Prowlers in-game! the Tyrants do feel like a threat and the Marauders make us rethink the role of the Prowlers.
First personal roadblock which did prompt me to stop for the first time and refocus was that circular room. The second was obviously the Medallion Room. It took me hours to figure it out and, I admit, my own anger turned me into a scrub for a bit. I got better at it and, after dinner on the night of completion, I did the room perfectly aka get healthy and focused and don't hesitate to take breaks.
Of course, the claustrophobic room with the Archvile was the third and final roadblock. I spent hours upon hours across two tries. Yes, my run in TN required me 4 resets so I could get things down. I eventually got the BFG which did help.
I honestly wish we had a few more Pumpkins, incredibly underused outside of specific waves when the Pain Elemental does the job extremely well. I also believe we had the best uses of Prowlers and Whiplashes in a while for this level.
The second I saw the Marauder on the bridge, I did have a smile since I've been supportive of its design as a true wild card for the chess of Hell. It brings home how much the game is about focus and multitasking. It did force me to rethink its stun mechanic. I even laugh a bit now when I see one so imagine a duo. With the knowledge aquired from TN, I would be ready for what id has in store in the next months.
I would give it a solid 8 if I were to grade this Master Level. I admit there are times where I was frustrated, but I was often responsible of my own death. For enemies that feel like fodders, the Prowlers finally earned some respect. Many deaths, many hours, but a great sense of accomplishment and I had my brother supporting me live.
glad I wasnt the only person to notice my meathook + pb wasnt registering