So. A little background here on the stance being taught. The stance being taught in the video, and I was glad to see police officer's in the group to justify it, is designed to keep the full front of the second chance vest towards the target. This way, if you're in a gunfight, the second chance vest can catch any round that hits you from getting to vital areas (other than head, of course). That is the entire purpose of the stance. The thing to remember is... if you AREN'T wearing a second chance vest... this shooting position is NOT the best stance. In this position, you are presenting your FULL body to the target. This position, again, was designed so that in a gun a fight your second chance vest can protect your chest and vital areas. This positioning, FOR POLICE OFFICERS, was changed many many years ago from the position I was taught in the police academy (a bladed shooting stance) because in the bladed shooting stance, while you presented less area of your body to the target, you presented the side of your body, which allowed bullets to penetrate under your arm (the armpit) where a vest didn't cover and get to the vital areas. But, if you're NOT a police officer on duty, ie, not wearing a second chance vest (off-duty or a civilian), the full frontal stance is actually bad as, again, you're presenting your full body to the target. Which stance is better has been debated for several decades now. The BEST stance, in my opinion, is the one that BEST maximises your protection while giving you a stable shooting platform. So, if you're wearing a second chance vest, the best stance is the full frontal stance as you allow the vest to do its job. If you're NOT wearing a vest, a bladed stance is best as you provide a smaller area of your body as a target. If you're law enforcement, again, my opinion, practice both, the full frontal for when you're on duty, and the bladed for when you're off duty. If you're a civilian, my recommendation would be a bladed stance, but, that's only if you think you're bound to get into a gunfight with someone, at which point, I'd be wondering WHY you think you're going to get into a gunfight with someone. If you're just shooting competition or for recreation, it really doesn't matter which stance you use. It comes down to practice. You can shoot well with either stance if you simply practice enough.
I guess we all have our own ways of doing things. A boxed years ago and even in boxing you want to stand at a 45-degree angle from your opponent to give him less of a Target. Not to mention that I shot with rifles for many many years before I ever got a handgun. It seems so unnatural for me to try to stand with my body straight giving someone else a bigger Target. When I hold a handgun I hold it just like as if it were a rifle and I don't take my left thumb out like most people do. I just rest my right hand on top of my left for stability. The only time I stand with my body squared off is if I shoot with one hand. Don't ask me why. It just seems more comfortable I still shoot much better with both hands then I do with one. I'm dead nuts accurate at 20 yards. I've never tried to shoot any further with a handgun but if I had the money to go to a shooting range and a whole bunch of bullets I would shoot till my fingers bled.
@@mgass1354 yeah, I can understand that but I've never had a battle with a bulletproof vest. Take a tip from me take all your money and give it off the charity dee dee dee that's what I've got so don't start a riot and feel it when the band gets hot yeah! lovin is what I've got. I said remember that. Now, Lovin is what I've got I've got I've got. Sorry about that. Everything reminds me of a song. Sublime What I've got. YES! I'M AM AS GOOFY AS THEY COME! AIN'T IT COOL...😁😃😂
Great work. Man I came home from work today and my wife said a smelled lake a stack of onions. Is that worse or better than a sack. 😁. Nothing wrong with a pit check Tim
It breeds in the minds of the unrightous and wicked. It grows in the search for power and riches. It corrupts the souls of all but a few, this fraction of man it's them that I choose. To carve a path to obtain our freedom. We'll rise above and concur our demons. I'll shoulder the weight and help you through, because I'm a sheepdog and it's what we do - Trigg
I always practice dry firing when someone/anyone comes on my TV but I'm way to scared to even think about pointing a gun at Tim Kennedy even if it's unloaded and he's only on my television. Am I the only one?
@@dextergarner1286 you're kidding right? I will start with the fact that citizen ownership of long guns is the last line of defense against tyranny, both foreign and domestic. The 2nd amendment protects ownership and use of all "arms", and that protection must apply to not only type of weapon, but magazine capacity as well. Go away and lick more boots.
@@libertylover81 Just like I thought. You have none. Owning a weapon is a responsibility and a privilege that can be easily abused by small brained cowardly people that care little for the life of others but overvalue their own. Quoting the amendment isn’t a reason for civilians to own an AR-15 for self-defense. Do better. I have at least ONE reason. You have stated none.
@@dextergarner1286 lol, so now all people who choose to exercise their God-given, constitutionally protected rights are "cowardly and small-brained"? When people assert their worthless opinions into fact based debates, they themselves are the ones who are cowardly and small brained. Not going to try to convince someone like you.
That's not horrible advice maybe not all the times but sometimes especially when you draw and need to move create distance fast you dont want to waste time finding that perfect grip. Also I think it's good for a base to learn the fundamentals of grip and do what works for you I think alot of instructor think it's this specific way or its wrong when that's just not true not everyone has the same biomechanics and I'd argue almost no one has the exact same grip.
@@Tomcatx39 He's not talking mechanics, or grip, he's talking about SPACE. When you're in close quarters, you don't shove your firearm out (ie, stance shown in the video) towards the other person, you draw and fire from the hip. That keeps your firearm from being grabbed, blocked out of the way, etc, and if you're regularly training on a range, you'll be accurate even from a hip fire onto your target. It's taught, or at least WAS taught, in police academy's (as it's where I was taught).
Purpose of the video was fundamentals on stance and grip. If you do what they are telling you to do properly, you can shoot from any point from chest to full press out. Only time you should have one hand on the gun is if the other one is out of the fight.
It's not correct when you're not making a 45 with the support hand will control hand however you like to references you might want to watch some guys like over at tactical hive where's Scott over at modern Samurai project or somebody like Rob Vogel that grip is a monkey grip and I don't give a damn if somebody says they're a Navy SEAL I don't give a damn if this or that you better go to those Navy Seals and Special Forces guys like Mike on his channel for tactics but for shooting technique you might want to go to Robert Vogel that is not a 45 that's a monkey grip
So grateful for this instruction...for us free, but you fellas had to earn it. Thank you.
So. A little background here on the stance being taught.
The stance being taught in the video, and I was glad to see police officer's in the group to justify it, is designed to keep the full front of the second chance vest towards the target. This way, if you're in a gunfight, the second chance vest can catch any round that hits you from getting to vital areas (other than head, of course). That is the entire purpose of the stance.
The thing to remember is... if you AREN'T wearing a second chance vest... this shooting position is NOT the best stance. In this position, you are presenting your FULL body to the target. This position, again, was designed so that in a gun a fight your second chance vest can protect your chest and vital areas.
This positioning, FOR POLICE OFFICERS, was changed many many years ago from the position I was taught in the police academy (a bladed shooting stance) because in the bladed shooting stance, while you presented less area of your body to the target, you presented the side of your body, which allowed bullets to penetrate under your arm (the armpit) where a vest didn't cover and get to the vital areas. But, if you're NOT a police officer on duty, ie, not wearing a second chance vest (off-duty or a civilian), the full frontal stance is actually bad as, again, you're presenting your full body to the target.
Which stance is better has been debated for several decades now.
The BEST stance, in my opinion, is the one that BEST maximises your protection while giving you a stable shooting platform. So, if you're wearing a second chance vest, the best stance is the full frontal stance as you allow the vest to do its job. If you're NOT wearing a vest, a bladed stance is best as you provide a smaller area of your body as a target.
If you're law enforcement, again, my opinion, practice both, the full frontal for when you're on duty, and the bladed for when you're off duty. If you're a civilian, my recommendation would be a bladed stance, but, that's only if you think you're bound to get into a gunfight with someone, at which point, I'd be wondering WHY you think you're going to get into a gunfight with someone.
If you're just shooting competition or for recreation, it really doesn't matter which stance you use. It comes down to practice. You can shoot well with either stance if you simply practice enough.
Another great nugget of information. SHEEPDOG ROCKS!!
Glad I found this channel where have you been all my life
It's all in the details! Excellent video! Thanks
Awesome information. Thanks!
Outstanding 👍
Thank you so much!
I want to hear more about Tim's support for gun control he brought up on the Lance Armstrong interview.
Hahahah Tim's my hero "science bitches" hahahahahah
Looks like you're fully extending arms out?
I guess we all have our own ways of doing things. A boxed years ago and even in boxing you want to stand at a 45-degree angle from your opponent to give him less of a Target. Not to mention that I shot with rifles for many many years before I ever got a handgun. It seems so unnatural for me to try to stand with my body straight giving someone else a bigger Target. When I hold a handgun I hold it just like as if it were a rifle and I don't take my left thumb out like most people do. I just rest my right hand on top of my left for stability. The only time I stand with my body squared off is if I shoot with one hand. Don't ask me why. It just seems more comfortable I still shoot much better with both hands then I do with one. I'm dead nuts accurate at 20 yards. I've never tried to shoot any further with a handgun but if I had the money to go to a shooting range and a whole bunch of bullets I would shoot till my fingers bled.
Read my comment and it explains the "why".
@@mgass1354 yeah, I can understand that but I've never had a battle with a bulletproof vest. Take a tip from me take all your money and give it off the charity dee dee dee that's what I've got so don't start a riot and feel it when the band gets hot yeah! lovin is what I've got. I said remember that. Now, Lovin is what I've got I've got I've got.
Sorry about that. Everything reminds me of a song. Sublime What I've got. YES! I'M AM AS GOOFY AS THEY COME! AIN'T IT COOL...😁😃😂
knowledge being dropped here people! Pay attention.
Great work. Man I came home from work today and my wife said a smelled lake a stack of onions. Is that worse or better than a sack. 😁. Nothing wrong with a pit check Tim
It breeds in the minds of the unrightous and wicked. It grows in the search for power and riches. It corrupts the souls of all but a few, this fraction of man it's them that I choose. To carve a path to obtain our freedom. We'll rise above and concur our demons. I'll shoulder the weight and help you through, because I'm a sheepdog and it's what we do - Trigg
I always practice dry firing when someone/anyone comes on my TV but I'm way to scared to even think about pointing a gun at Tim Kennedy even if it's unloaded and he's only on my television. Am I the only one?
He’s an American hero, I feel the same way dude lol
Ahahaha no you are not 🇺🇲🤟 I literally just thought that man hahaha awesome
Damn good 👍
Brasil. Tamo junto!
I like the Israeli method with everything
GBRS Group had a awesome vid on stance until they deleted it
Sounds like a bunch of overcomplicated crap from a bunch of tacticool guys.
#timkensan
Tim, quit goofing off and pay attention lol
Only applies if you're over 19 and had invasive background checks, right Tim?
What would that guy even know about shooting guns or fighting??? Whats him name... Tom Neddeky??? 😂😂
Do you guys teach us lowly civilians carbine fighting? Probably not since Tim believes that civilians shouldn't own AR15s.
Can you give me 5 good reasons why civilians such as yourself need a carbine in self defense application?
@@dextergarner1286 you're kidding right? I will start with the fact that citizen ownership of long guns is the last line of defense against tyranny, both foreign and domestic. The 2nd amendment protects ownership and use of all "arms", and that protection must apply to not only type of weapon, but magazine capacity as well. Go away and lick more boots.
@@libertylover81 Just like I thought. You have none.
Owning a weapon is a responsibility and a privilege that can be easily abused by small brained cowardly people that care little for the life of others but overvalue their own.
Quoting the amendment isn’t a reason for civilians to own an AR-15 for self-defense. Do better. I have at least ONE reason. You have stated none.
@@dextergarner1286 lol, so now all people who choose to exercise their God-given, constitutionally protected rights are "cowardly and small-brained"? When people assert their worthless opinions into fact based debates, they themselves are the ones who are cowardly and small brained. Not going to try to convince someone like you.
@@libertylover81
still waiting for your 5 reasons.
Stop pretending like you’re pro-2A, Tim.
All handguns should be fired one handed in close quarters combat, two handed is for long distance shots.
That's not horrible advice maybe not all the times but sometimes especially when you draw and need to move create distance fast you dont want to waste time finding that perfect grip. Also I think it's good for a base to learn the fundamentals of grip and do what works for you I think alot of instructor think it's this specific way or its wrong when that's just not true not everyone has the same biomechanics and I'd argue almost no one has the exact same grip.
@@Tomcatx39
He's not talking mechanics, or grip, he's talking about SPACE. When you're in close quarters, you don't shove your firearm out (ie, stance shown in the video) towards the other person, you draw and fire from the hip. That keeps your firearm from being grabbed, blocked out of the way, etc, and if you're regularly training on a range, you'll be accurate even from a hip fire onto your target. It's taught, or at least WAS taught, in police academy's (as it's where I was taught).
Purpose of the video was fundamentals on stance and grip. If you do what they are telling you to do properly, you can shoot from any point from chest to full press out. Only time you should have one hand on the gun is if the other one is out of the fight.
It's not correct when you're not making a 45 with the support hand will control hand however you like to references you might want to watch some guys like over at tactical hive where's Scott over at modern Samurai project or somebody like Rob Vogel that grip is a monkey grip and I don't give a damn if somebody says they're a Navy SEAL I don't give a damn if this or that you better go to those Navy Seals and Special Forces guys like Mike on his channel for tactics but for shooting technique you might want to go to Robert Vogel that is not a 45 that's a monkey grip