You SAY You Love Work Trucks, But Here's Why Many People Don't Buy Them!
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2020
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Even used trucks are too expensive. I'm not comfortable with paying 20k+ for a Ford EcoB at over a 130k miles.
Truck demand is high that's why they are bank
everyone buys trucks... your city state... look when you drive down the street see how many more house have trucks these days...
@@JOHNJ0HN9111 most people drive cars or suv junk. We got 2 full size trucks at this 🏠
I get really nice, older, well-kept, low-mile stuff. Who cares if it's 8 or 10 years old if it's super nice, has 40,000 miles, and cost me 10 or 15 grand? By that time, most factory recalls and warranty work and everything has been done and I can just drive it for 100,000 and still get a few bucks toward the next one out of it when I'm done with it.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney its a buyers market 👌
The problem with “base” trucks is that they are equipped like a $20,000 vehicle but charge $40,000 for them. Either make the $40,000 “base” model have standard features/quality of a $40,000 or charge a more appropriate price aka $20,000 for these plastic city models.
The worst thing is consumers keep paying these ludicrous prices for under equipped trucks so dealers will keep charging these prices. Stop encouraging this type of pricing and they’ll start making these more sanely priced
I agree wit ya, prices are runnin away makin them only affordable wit 7yr loans. Hard ta find a basic truck that has a v8 in it for towin and a plastic floor and cloth seats.
My friend. Trailboss is by no means a lower trim level. If anything its middle upper. Get the non trail boss non crew cab silverado custom with Only the convinience pavkage and a good deal will be between 31 to 35. Steel wheels and 17s will be on the lower side of 30 gees
On that one tho that engine upgrade brought it up to 44k
@@The_Draque when the base model truck costs 28 k for 2wd v6 base model with manual locks and windows. That is what we mean when we say they cost too much as a truck like that is basically useless in cold climates like Canada ( I don't know why anyone would buy a new 2wd up here). If we quit buying the expensive trucks for a few years they would have to get competitive. Just look at sedans for example the cars they make now are loaded with features even as base model and very affordable.
69 Bronco guy! 4.3 with a supercharger. Imagine the possibilities....
GM: Here is our brand new full sized truck for next year. It will cost $50,000.
Consumer: Why are tires made of paper machete?
GM: Rubber package is $8000.
If you know how to shop you'll never pay anywhere close to MSRP on an American vehicle lol. The mark up and msrp pricing is for suckers
@@nikkcarroll9382 can you enlighten everyone please? I'm sure your fellow people would love to know how to beat these stealerships.
@@crzyruskie86 just take your time. Visit your local dealerships and call the dealerships that are within an hour
@@crzyruskie86 Basically make friends with someone who works for gm. Or just ask what the cost of production is. Typically for cars the msrp is about 10 percent higher than cost of production. For trucks its something over 25% depending how many they buy. Can be as high as 35%. So they have a ton of wiggle room for trucks. I mean think about 35% thats 30k for a truck they selling for 45k. After taxes that truck is well over 50k. Not including all the horseshit they sell you.
50,000 you’re crazy I can buy a house
15 minutes and 45 seconds of him trying to convince himself that this cheap plastic truck is worth $45,000
That's why it's almost never worth it to buy new anymore. Just wait 3-4 years and it's price will plummet. Still be high but much more tolerable
@@BURNZ2ACRISP not that high if its a chevy
Shut up and go drive you’re benz to the mall. I’m going off roading
@@BURNZ2ACRISP got a fully loaded 2014 ford explorer sport in late 2017 for 20 grand still high but fully loaded with 65k miles compared to what is about 45 grand for a new one
@@alfredoowns12 yeah that's nice. Just a couple years old and you get a hell of a deal. Rarely worth buying new b
Trucks are horribly overpriced. It amazes me people are paying these prices.
They don’t. Everyone is financing them because they are broke.
Dont forget leasing. There is a decent subset of the population who gets trucks and hauls nothing.
Pickup trucks have always been expensive, they hold their value well too...
@@missouriaviator8871 Don’t just assume things...
brand loyalty
Looks like GM collaborated with Fisher Price for their new interior designs.
You couldnt afford one if you wanted to
DARELL, that statement makes no sense.
@@geraldhaskell2368 probably to stupid to understand 😪
DARELL, I’m stupid? Learn your grammar and how to spell. (too) Dummy.
@@geraldhaskell2368 fisher price(actually laughing),thinking of the door sill plates emblazoned with "Body by Fisher",and fisher price cars do have a nicer more utilitarian look and feel.
I love Chevy, but I wish they were never bailed out. They should of been forced to adapt or perish.
During the 2008 recession they should of killed off the chrysler brand itself and keep dodge and jeep.
Lol chrystler, dodge, and jeep never got a bailout.
@@msawyer110 yes they were, 1979 and 2009....may 14, 2009 they were bailed out and only paid back 11.2 billion of the 12.5 billion they got bailed out on, while the American citizen had to pay the 1.3 billion difference. Their quality has gone down tremendously since
@@msawyer110 evidence is all over the place but the 5.7 hemi is a noticeable start. They have been trying to squeeze as much power as they can out of that engine. They have been placing the cam further and further up the block resulting in it not getting oil splashed on it correctly and prematurely wearing out
Add Harley Davidson to that as well.
"These cloth seats are extremely durable" -the guy who has owned this truck for under a year
my cloth driver seat in my LT 08 silverado showed wear from sliding in and out at 9000 miles and GM had to replace it. i put seat covers on after that
I've had my dodge for almost 20 and my cloth seats are still holding up 300 thousand plus miles
Old cloth seats are durable
@@clemzahrobsky2137 maybe you need to lose weight?
I know I almost turned it off right now what a fool
This truck has the worst interior in a 45k vehicle I’ve ever seen lol
I know right it didn’t even come with push start
I agree. Especially when u think of what else I could do with 45k
I spent 30 seconds in a Silverado not worth the money. Ram 1500 sport all day long.
The price is inflated they give 8k to 12k discounts sometimes but still horrible interior better off in my 2006 Silverado 200k mikes still going strong
In in December of 2002, my uncle bought a 2003 gmc sierra 3500hd lb7 4door standard box 4x4 slt fully loaded cost about 40k. That 2020 silverado truck is a joke.
It's no wonder why people are putting 5-10K in an old truck with 300K miles on it.
As long as the frames and most of the glass and body is there you can save thousands by installing a new drivetrain and suspension, and you can put in modern engines too, and still save loads. Drivetrain swap + new suspension for $10-$15k and that old truck will last another 10-20 years as long as you don't wreck it.
People are broke with auto loans
Agreed! I'm pushing 170k on my 08 Tundra and I wouldn't trade it even up for that shitbox Silverado.
Agreed also! Over 120k on my 2010 Tundra. Thinking about spending that much on upgrading the suspension, tires, bumpers and led lights. Will look nice and I can can continue to use it for towing. Engine is still good! Well, a $7k supercharger would be nice!
245k on my 05 Suburban 2500 8.1L. Why would I upgrade?
Give me a 80s square body with a touch of modern and I’d be happy.
These days that’ll cost ya almost as much as this truck.
I’ve got my square and an 07 classic 2500 HD. Chevy trucks suck after 07.
@@flyinggoose1456 ok.....
@MassCityMadman I like manual cars but they are hard on the drivetrain I would rather have automatic in a truck
Chevy should of made a retro square body. The 14-18 were more or less the 90s Silverado’s. Ford made the bronco actually pretty retro. Chevy should do something similar and I think the square body is what they should target. I’d legit go out of my way to get a retro square body
Yeeaah they wouldn't give you that screen and bluetooth if they could get away with it. All new cars are required to have backup cameras and handsfree calling ablilities. That's not chevy being charitable.
They probably lobbied congress to write that into law
And the people with Bluetooth still have their phones at their heads.
The reason for the plastic steering wheel as opposed to vinyl or leather wrap is because the lower end trucks are expected to be work trucks. In work trucks, they are expected to get stained and be dirtier on the inside. The plastic steering wheel is much easier to get cleaned and at the same time, not stain. That is why more plastic is used in the work trucks. Same thing with the vinyl or rubber flooring.
I agree that the safety features should all be standard!
My ram express (dress package on a base model) started cracking pretty early on and has gotten pretty rough since COVID with using a lot of hand sanitizer. While I do like it and think its comfortable, I can see how you would want something more resilient in a work truck.
I mostly agree with you here, I have a 2007 F250 with this almost shiny plastic steering wheel, but the wheel just wipes clean every time. That said, why doesn't a work truck package come standard with towing mirrors, brake controller, and a washout interior with drain plugs? Why can't I get some sort of pickup truck with a dump body like the Polaris Ranger has? If they can do it on a side by side, why can't pickup trucks get a dump body option? From the safety side, why can't there be an option for upgraded safety that includes emergency braking, more airbags, lane keep assist, turning headlights that level and switch to high beam autmatically? As long as I can turn the features off if I don't like them, then put them on or offer them. My 2015 Volvo S160 with active headlights is amazing at night, where my 2015 F350 work trucks headlights are awful, both of these vehicles were in the same price bracket.
@@rw9495 how do you get any work done with such delicate hands? Are all your tools wrapped in leather too? LOL
I agree with you but my complaint is if you're going to build it as a work vehicle to be beat up, then don't charge luxury prices. The suv and truck segment is getting out of control
@@BURNZ2ACRISP, I totally and completely agree with you on that! The work truck 1/2 tons are now selling for ridiculous amounts of money. It’s insane how much they cost now. In some cases you’re almost better off going with a low miles used full size truck and then doing whatever it is that you need to do to it to make it more durable and functional as a work truck. Rhino line the bed, buy all weather floor mats for both the front and rear of the truck, buy a steering wheel cover etc. and then you would now have a work truck. And one that possibly has some pretty nice features attached to it too, as well.
I'm a pretty hard core Chevy fan. I drove a new Trail Boss Custom.
I bought a used 100k mile 2012 SVT Raptor.
Used to be a hardcore Chevy guy too. Been in all trim levels of the 2020 Silverados and absolutely hated the feel for the price. I’m moving into Ford myself. Way better quality for the same price.
nice choice ive always wanted one of those raptors
2019 Chevrolet Rst replace a 1998 Chevrolet Blazer chevys
So you were never in the market for a new pickup truck, you looked at a new one, then bought a really old and used one? Makes no sense. A raptor and a regular 1500 are totally different trucks, a raptor cant tow for crap and are expensive to maintain, I know, I have one...
@@jaredchampagne2752 I was 100% in the market. I was driving a LTZ Suburban and wanted to upgrade. It didn't feel like an upgrade at all. I can't stand the chrome on the nose of the new trucks, which meant I was shopping for RST trucks with the Z71/Trail Boss packages.
I recently rented a similar 2020 Silverado for a week to travel and to be honest I couldn't wait to get back into my old chevy
Who cares about Lane assist and automatic braking I wish they still sold a $25,000 truck would crank windows basic stereo if I want all those other Comforts I would go buy a car
Get you a Nissan Frontier! By far the best mid size to me. Best priced and a legit truck unlike some of these suv trucks
Can get a 90's truck, put a new drivetrain in and have a great truck for @ 10k and will most likely outlast most new trucks.
You’re a legitimate truck owner that might actually use it. Most truck owners are moms and manlets with an irrational fear of the road.
Anthony, I've said that for a long time now. Alot of companies would buy them as company work vehicles.
4x4, ac, power windows/locks, and a decent radio is all I need. I don't need tire pressure sensors, dual climate control, automatic lights, etc.
That’s truly one of the worst interiors I’ve ever seen.
Same ngl
All makes entry trim level trucks are super cheap amd plasticy, I've worked at a few dealerships, and a body shop, I've driven just about everything but a raptor.
My 2016 freightliner has plastic interior door panels and dash and steering wheel. All looks like brand new with 564,000 miles on the truck all my miles. Say what you want but certain plastic panels will last where others fall apart after time
When I wandered into a Chevy lot and saw that blank on the steering wheel it felt like an insult. I left.
Right on, custom should at least have controls on both sides of steering wheel
@@craigwilliamson6917 No not really, Custom is the base model so it shouldn't.
Thats because you were looking at a base model
Brandon Drury the trucks that you were looking at they are work trucks. Some dealers keep the bling trucks 2 to 3 rows back of the work trucks.
@Z Z My what? My "suppose"???
It's crazy to spend that much money on a vehicle that depreciates faster than you can pay for it
A 45k truck actually depreciates much slower than a 45k bmw or luxury car. That 45k truck will still be worth 30k after 5 years and 75k miles.
Yet our streets (it's now 2023 the video is in 2020) are full with vehicles that cost 50 I + ...
Greed plain and simple. The grred has out paced inflation.
It’s just because dumb dumbs will always buy a whatever brand truck and nothing can tear away their brand loyalty. Buy American mentality destroying competition.
why dont ppl buy them, bc dealers never keep them in stock and when they do its always 2wds and v6s it seems
People could just make custom orders
Always white to and no colors
@@simrantoor85 Dealer wont budge on the price for customer orders
Yes you usually have to special order them. For example I hate floor carpet but I woudl have had to special order to get the utility vinyl floor.
@@RobertJLessard next time just get a normal truck, The sell that vinyl flooring and you can drop it in yourself. When you plan to sell your truck drop in the new carpet or you can sell it for a good amount. A win win
I was going to buy a 2016 Silverado and realized the majority of them in my area are still $35-$40k for anything under 75k miles. At that price I might as well just get a 2020 model with 0% interest.
It’s time to bring this to the attention of the higher ups. These prices are ridiculous!
So true. I’ve always thought these trucks are way too overpriced for what it costs to manufacture.
They know pickup trucks are the cash cow at the moment and they sure are milking that fact.
Ford 1500 has been best selling vehicle for like 30 years. All 3 Americana’s at the top best best selling vehicles. Demand is super high for trucks to be sold with good value.
@@macloveemail They are the best selling because companies buy them for their fleet vehicles.
True
My thoughts exactly. I was thinking about buying another Tahoe, it came out to $60k with the options I wanted. When history repeats itself and fuel prices go sky high again, prices for trucks will come down.
That also goes for early 2000s trucks looking at actual value to sale price. A 2003 duramax truck with a actual value of 3k sells 17k to 20k I would rather get ripped off buying a new truck then buying a very old 2003 duramax for 20k and it's funny that used truck buyers say "new trucks are a rip off I would rather buy a very old used 2003 truck" but they dont see the actual value to sale price is higher in a early 2000s truck than a new one which a new one is 50% less.
Look at the interior LMAO. It looks like it came from the 90's bahahaha
Wanna see something really funny looking? Look at a 2019 nissan frontier. Straight up insane how antiquated it looks.
The 2014-2018 interiors were perfect, then GM decided to downgrade them for whatever reason.
Another guy who wants his dash to look like a video game, then complains when the truck cost 70K.
@@vincea1830 But check out how cheap and reliable those are. You guys bitch about prices, and when they keep it low price you bitch about it being out of date. Take a look in the mirror lmao
@@texasfan8892 no… no they’re not.
“I like how these mirrors are plastic and cheap to replace, but I do wish they had blind spot monitoring which would make them more expensive and harder to replace”
Hey, he can dream. Lol
What you mean by cheap you're about one
Thank god this basic safety feature in most cars is finally standard for Chevy trucks for 2022
Your absolutely right about the steering wheel, I have an 08 Silverado and it’s completely deteriorated on the grab points, it would be nice to see manufacturers putting a little more quality where it counts.
I’ll say it again. Hyundai and Kia need to come out with a 1/2 ton truck and show the big three what value for money is.
Shit engines
Lol they may be cheap, but that's all that they are. Cheap.
I hear kia already has one in the works
Commie
Chicken tax
GM will never see me in another one of their dealerships. I've lost all confidence in their ability to do anything ,other than profit from my mistake in placing confidence in the Brand..
That's a problem because GM doesn't own any dealerships, dealerships made it illegal for them to own dealerships
Haha GM quality sucks now
Same here.
Three letters, AFM.
Yeah they're all garbage. Their only decent brand is Jeep. The company just isn't ran right and they don't care about their customers. So sad because back in the 70s and 80s Chevy was a top brand. Now its a joke. I guess the old people that used to run it are dead or retired.
The tundra sr has everything you want accept remote door locks for less than that chevy and itll hold its value when driving it off the lot
Yea but its a Toyota no one wants to buy a Toyota
@@Alpatriod that's cause people are brain dead lol ill take a tundra over a chevy anyday
Depends, did Toyotafigure out how to keep the frames from rotting? I got tired of checking
@@Platinum1812 yes
@@Alpatriod I'd buy a used Toyota/Honda any day over a Chevy.
Stay away from any vehicle with cylinder deactivation.
Great advice, just bought a 2018 Z71 and it sucks
Yep and 2021 the ford 150 gets it too
@@Lovenlife139 you can remove it with some tuning
4 common upgrades I HATE are leather seats, push button start, extra steering wheel buttons and sunroofs.
I absolutely don't want the extra safety garbage in base model. It's not hard to check blind spots.
I think the only high tech thing I actually like and use is the backup camera only because I can see thr hitch and don't have to get out 10 times to hook up.
Agreed. Had a vehicle with all the electronic safety crap, kept giving me issues (brakes applying at highway speed with NOTHING there etc.). After only 9 months, dumped it for a basic truck (remember back in the day when "basic" trucks today were fully loaded then?). And I keep forgetting the back up camera is even there.
Sounds like you would like a truck with crank windows, AM radio, and no AC.
Patta 2018 Sonata sport with push button start traded it on my Trail Boss what has a key I like to keep better in the Sonata you could shut it off without putting it in park so I was always doubting myself if I put it in park or not with the pickup you can't take the key out if the truck is in park
Personally I don't like leather seats they have a wierd smell not as comfy and hot and sticky in the summer even with cooled seats enabled and its harder to get stains off of leather without damaging it the rest i agree with
I was vehicle shopping last spring and the best price I could find on a new, full size Chevy Pickup was a 2WD, 2 door, standard bed for $27,000. Stepping up to a 4WD pushed the prices up to $36,000. I was seriously considering a 4WD Nissan Frontier which would only run me $26,000.
I got my 2017 Silverado double cab 4wd with 38k miles for 21 thousand flat. Starting to seem like I got the deal of a lifetime now reading these comments!
They need to start listening to us for feedback Chevy,ford, GMC, Dodge, and so on
Show me on a ram truck where does it say dodge
Just switched from chevy to a base model Nissan Titan..almost 13K off sticker. Comfortable seats. Great headlights vs. Gm, and a great engine. Very happy with it so far.
Great review. Agreed with most of it. Why the heck do vehicles keep going up in price when all the technology in them go down in price to mass produce. 🤔
Greed
because the car companies know people will but them
Supply and demand. They will charge what the market will bear. That's how our economy has always functioned. That's what capitalism is.
Inflation.
Inflation my friend. If the company has to pay its employees more then it has to bring in more money from each sale. And people are willing to pay it.
Doesn't matter to me though. I've always bought used!
One of the best monologues on any of your channels. You're a natural with just the outline of what you want to talk about in your head and just let loose.
“I’m sure this black plastic door handle will last the life of the truck”. It’s a GM I wouldn’t count on it.
You can’t throw a rock in a parking lot with hitting a Chevy pickup with a broken tailgate handle.
Hah my z71 has gone through so many handles its not even funny pure crap Toyota is a much better choice even at twice the price
Picked up my Silverado LTZ five years ago for 35 thousand. Put 93 thousand trouble free miles on it and just traded her in for 26 thousand bucks. Thats 5 years and 95 thousand miles for 9 thousand bucks. I'll take that every time. Oh, and the gal across the street keeps telling me she likes my new Trail Boss more than her husband's F150. Don't hate, boys!🙂
@@MrHand-ih4sz she’s a 400 pounder isn’t she. Come on...you can be honest.
You just have to switch the wording around, then it will be accurate.
"I'm sure this truck will die before the cheap plastic door breaks."
The biggest problem I see with all these new trucks is the lack of a clutch and shifting lever, some of us want the better quality and handling of a manual transmission over a lazy auto
Those of us who want to control the transmission ourselves are a dying breed.
Never a fan of slush boxes.
Exactly why I drive my 2nd gen Ram 4x4 5 speed. And will continue. Only manuals today is tacoma. Frontier and that Fairy jeep gladiator
people don't know how to drive a manual, and there is a reason why most german cars that only came with a stick in the 90s are only avail in auto now.
The problem I've found, especially with Chevy, is that for simple options that don't cost a lot on their own, the automakers lump them into giant packages that add thousands. I've been looking at a Silverado, and just to get a center console without the front bench seat, it adds a crazy amount. Granted, I know that's how they just stick it to consumers to get them to pay more.
Omg I know. Chevy's lack of options choice free from a bundle is killing their sales. Both Ford and Ram do better with options.
100% ACCURATE! I tried building an LT Trail Boss with the $3,400 midnight package but the prices jumped over $7k since GM forces you to add additional crap to the vehicle.
I bought a 2020 Trail Boss custom crew cab for $33,700 V6 four-wheel drive Z71 off-road package straight off the Dealer's lot it doesn't even have OnStar in it win I don't need all that crap in my truck and yes she's definitely good looking and she'll do everything I want her to do
Only requirement i wanted for my truck was 4x4, center console and crew cab. Went to Ford, GM and Toyota. Ended up with an STX f150. All the other dealers laughed and said they couldn't touch that price for what ford was offering in that package.
My recommendation get an older model that has it all. it will be cheaper than buying a new base truck. Specially if u want 4x4.
Ram and Ford are offering way better value at the entry level truck than GMC or Chevy.
They used to make good base level trucks in the 80s if u got a custom dulexe they would do pretty good for what they are
Yup. I got a brand new 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Big Horn crew cab with every option available at that trim level for $39k out the door. It has heated cloth bucket seats, center console, heated leather wheel, 20" chrome wheels, 5.7 Hemi, 4x4, positrack 3.92 gears, heated mirrors, 8" premium infotainment, dual zone automatic climate, skid plates, factory lift, trailer brake controller, etc... No leather or sunroof, and it doesn't have any of the advanced safety stuff like automatic brakes but for $5k less than that Chevy I think I did just fine.
@@High_Desert_Tanner got a gmc 1500 sle with every option available same price with all the safety features with rebates it knocks the price way down they all are around the exact same price with features dodge is the most luxurious on the inside at higher models tho me personally dont like the flashy interior but the materials are of higher quality at highest end models
But the prices are still crazy.
I have a new company truck i take home
Its a 2020 single cab F250 the company payed 55k for a XL package. Just chrome bumpers and a 3" screen for rear view and tons of plastic and Aluminum. The screen is so small that you have to be related to an 🦅eagle to spot things in the back while using the screen for reverse. Prices are just to much. But i didn't payed for it so I'm happy with it.🤪🔨😉
@@sa22see damn 55k that's alot back in 2002 my uncle bought a regular cab f250 xl manual transmission for like 32k
Is it just me or did people somehow lose the ability to look over their shoulders while in reverse backup cameras didn't even exist when I learned how to drive
Dumbing down of society through technology
Backup cameras in cars are meant to be used in conjunction with turning around, such as using the camera to check a blind spot or an obstacle that you can't see by turning your head.
If you're head forward everytime you're backing up watching the camera then you're doing it wrong.
Agreed but it's great for hooking up to a trailer. That is b4 they dog up a become useless like my Ram.
Yeah, and people used fire as their primary source of heat for millions of years. Technology advances.
could not agree more. It seems to me more and more that even the most basic of conveniences are bundled in outrageously overpriced option packages because they know you won't want to give them up
Bro the interior of that truck is a joke, looks exactly like my 2014 Silverado
Is GM what you spect, I seen 2008 look exactly the same as a 2014.
Leo Nilo yea but my 2014 didn’t cost 45k, not even when is was new
Brother its the same truck fenders fit and all chevy has been selling the same product for decades now just changes made to the head port,software and such but the base of it is the same format suspension motor just recently they use the 8 and 10 speed trans 👍
I think the 2014s interior is actually better made and looks better lol
Translation: "My truck interior is a joke"
More base trucks PLEASE!
This is definitely not a base truck
Energetic Tomato Pretty much is
@@jefft3120 base model is like my truck its got a manual trans, manual 4x4 shifter, manual hubs, manual windows,no tilt steering or cruise control and not much of a interior but also its a 35 year old truck
@@sammybeddingfield1014 Back when a truck was a real truck not these stupid computers on wheels
@@DavidSmith-bt5zn yep cant go wrong with a old 85 chevy with the 350 and sm465 its a good combo
Imagine bailing a company out with our taxes and then they charge you this much for something designed to last a few years. Where i live you can still buy a house for 20k.
Hey, looking for an area like that. Do you have a general area that you could recommend? Figured it was worth asking.
@@motorswaps Central Pennsylvania.
@@lostpuppy9962 thank you sir, I appreciate it very much. Beautiful country up there if I remember correctly.
Is that where there has been a underground mine fire for like 30+ years?
That's why I don't support GM period. I buy american, but it'll be a cold day in hell if I'm getting punked by a company that WE bailed out of bankruptcy/debt. Paying absurd amounts of money for a truck that lasts barely to 100k miles with an interior that the 90s is calling for.
Remember when pick-ups were the vehicle of the working class? Now most of us can't afford one.
99.99% of people who buy these over priced shit trucks finance them. So they'll be paying them off for 5 or 6 years on average.... longer than the life of the truck 🤣
Brandon, yep trucks got popular with everyone driving the price up and adding options which further drove the price up. The same thing happened to diesels. Fuel was cheap as only work trucks used it. Then everyone had to have a diesel and fuel prices jumped to the point there is no savings owning one.
That truck's interior, no matter if you get the highest trim, looks cheap. RAM and even Ford with their new interior looks aesthically appealing.
Yep the GM interiors are utter GARBAGE!!
Now I haven't been in a tundra, but even the tundras interior looks nicer, like wtf, the silverado has that classic hard scratchy shit box plastic on the glooveboxes, also all the buttons and glovebox and column shift all sound like cheap $15k garbage, like the tundra seems better then it
Dallas Grantley ya man it’s insane. I just bought the new Rebel 12 (with the 12” screen) but before I did, I REALLY wanted the AT4 so I test drove one. Once you sit in a new Ram, you can’t simply go back to that crap ass interior. It’s god awful. That right there made up my mind.
Gm has always had really cheap plasticky interiors and they only get worse over time. My dads tahoe is only 5 years old and it’s got at least there’s plastics broken
I love gm but their interior parts are shit. Even an escalade from 2007to2014 gen had bad quality. The door handles would break off dashboard cracks and a loose center console.
You overlooked another problem with the Custom trim, no storage in the center armrest. What were they thinking on that?
And they want $800 for a console cuz I looked into it and the dash on the 19 is different than on the 20/20 so you can't go with an older model and replacement
That’s one thing I don’t like about my 2019 custom trail boss. But over all It’s a solid Truck.
EXACTLY
I think he hit the important point eventually. That near basic truck cost 45,000 and most Americans can't afford it. They aren't building trucks for average Americans anymore, they build them for upper earners and work fleets. The basic truck is not a big enough earner for them and so they don't put the effort in. If you want or need a Truck then they're going to make you pay big-time. Not nice but it seems the way it is.
I bought my 2018 rebel with 12mi on it for 38k
I have a 2011 Ranger. I've had it since it was new in early 2012. I miss some of the things newer cars have, but at the same time, simple controls with knobs that you don't have to look at to operate, a regular key ignition, and far less stuff that breaks are the best things about it. 130K now, still runs and drives like new, still has cold a/c in the summer and good heat in the winter. I wish it had cruise, but I chose this one because it's not white and it has the four doors. (It's an extended cab)
One of the best vehicles I have ever owned.
Friends don't let friends buy chevys.
Chevy is reliable and makes good power whoever invented the LS is a legend, and this really is a great year for muscle cars if you think about it, you can buy a 700 - 900 hp vehicle off the lot or put a new motor that makes crazy power in your old pos
Okie Jake you really have never worked on a Ford, nightmare. Dodge just can’t get the better mileage! I’ve owned several chevys and one dodge. All really good trucks. Drive fords for work and he’ll no. Seats suck,dashes are terrible. Transmission are junk around 70000.
@@codyflowers8758 I finally replaced my Ford auto. I was gonna do it when it turned forty, but kept rolling until it was 42. Old one still worked.
Alfa Romero and quality should never be in the same sentence. 🤣🤣
Are you implying Alfa Romeo has suspect quality?
Just possibly the worst in industry! Resale sucks too.😂
Fritty 99 they’re cheap because they have problems.
Don't forget their cousin, Fix It Again Tony.
Rob Steingruber Italian cars aren’t it
I will keep my 86 Silverado its crazy that cheaper cars have more options than a 45000 truck an thank you for finally calling these truck manufacturers out
That kind of steering wheel lasts a little bit longer than leather as long as you don't pick at it or bite it. You can handle oils and other chemicals a lot better along with abrasive surfaces such as gloves That could be covered in debris
GM: Using our tax dollars to keep them afloat so they can keep building vehicles the same tax payers can’t afford. Let them and their junk go out of business.
Trucks are the only reason American carmakers aren't all extinct. They have to charge a lot for them!
@@CatNerfer3000 That's true too. Your tax dollars at work.
Its not as if the American public either buys trucks or watch. The statement is false hyperbole.
@@imjashingyou3461 Actually, it's not. Trucks make up by far the largest source of profit for the Big 3. Trucks are number one in sales.
@@johnholst again for this to be true would assume that if the big three couldn't sell trucks they would sell nothing else popular. And assuming that if the American public couldn't buy trucks they would just buy foreign or walk. All of which is false What it does show is poor business practices relying upon a monoculture of products in an industry where consumer tastes seem to change every 10 to 15 years.
@@imjashingyou3461 Yes, that may indeed be true. It's all theoretical though. It's fine to say that if they didn't sell trucks, they'd sell something else that's good? Maybe. Just no way to say. I guess the point I wanted to make is that US producers make cars that are so uncompetitive, they wouldn't survive with truck revenue. That's true as it stands right now.
Black plastic? No problem. Gloss black plastic? Hell no.
Don’t like either or, black plastic fades after 3 or 4 years then you’re left with either tiger stripes or grayish plastic 😒
TR13DGE 716 It’s better than Chrome that looks horrible on basically any color except black, silver and red. Gloss black plastic goes with any color and looks good.
@@Inferno45 I'm not a chrome fan either... my main beef with gloss plastic is that it's a scratch magnet. Especially at the front of the truck where debris strike it the most. At least for regular black plastic a good restore solution brings it back. Gloss plastic like on a GT500 or GT350R are acceptable since they're usually always maintained in pristine condition... definitely not a material that should be on a truck imo, but people can disagree.
I have a 05 Siverado. I like the chrome but after all the years it looks like the chrome was sandblasted off. The old vehicles with stainless trim could be polished up but dented which plastic breaks and requires replacement
Wood or aluminum trim, hell yeah
I bought a 2017 Ram Laramie with the 5.7 Hemi for 29,000 US , that came with all the higher end options with the exception of lane assist , Ram boxes, air lift and a few others. Point is, as others have mentioned, good deals are out there if you are patient and look around, even if it's a little outside your area. And yes, the steering wheel is leather wrapped lol.
Last truck I bought was a 2006 Silverado extended cab 2wd 5.3 true work truck off of an online auction for $2200. Drove it 4 hours home. It needed brake lines, spark plugs, and a windshield. Been driving it for over a year. We live in such a throwaway society now.
I can live with most of that. The one thing that you touch for every mile you own has to feel at least some sort of a quality item. Not p.o.s plastic.
Tommy, I agree with you. The bottom line as to why vehicles are outrageous in price and still do not incorporate convenience and the safety tech. in those prices is because people keep giving in and buying it. IF society would stop buying NEW for a few years, manufactures might actually stop and take notice. Re-negotiate what it is that should be in the vehicles in order for them to be bought again. Right now, manufactures are in control.
People buy into the long financing terms and think that just because they can afford the payment, that they can afford the vehicle. People need to learn how to negotiate total price and not payments.
The awesome thing that GM does is they offer the Trail Boss option on thier full Silverado line. So you can get a base truck, or a fully loaded one, with the 2 inch lift and nice off road rubber, and they look great. Lets face it, most guys today buy the truck, then go straight home and throw 6 thousand bucks at it for a lift and a decent rim & tire combo. Chevy offers to do that work for you with the Trail Boss. Its a great option.
I'll keep driving my old chevy square body pickup,, it's older than dirt but it's still going strong...dig it...
That "auto stop" has got to GO! I thought that the customs didn't have them. I guess I'm wronge! Definitely a feature I could do without.
@Logan Marquez maybe if you didn’t engineer the vehicle to handle that duty cycle. But I think the engineers know what they’re doing much better than us folks in the comment section of UA-cam.
That's what I hate about those NBS silverados
@@jeffthebean1 I guess Northstar never happened. The engineers knew better than us peons, we were simply mistaken that they had a 100% failure rate by 100,000 miles.
@@Channel-gz9hm A lot of highly paid engineers, are idiots.
Thanks for pointing out the right thing manufactures should be doing. Trucks are getting very expensive for the value. Great video Tommy.
How bout a rear bumper that can take a bump as a option?
I bought the 2020 Trailboss earlier this year and if I was going to spend 45 I figured I might as well spend 15 more and get the things I wanted
Forget the blindside monitors, just give me a decent convex that is powered and heated.
Cory Ernewein - It’s called “value-added engineering”... 😉
@@seumasmackinlay ah yes, just like the massive and expensive headlight housings. I love engineers and number crunches lmao
The savings from insurance pays for it so why not get it.
@@BoostedLeonitus yeah insurance is a bit of a scam lol but there is alot less to go wrong with a simple solution such as a convex and a lesson or two on how to properly use mirrors. I used to operate a 120' mobile crane and nothing beats a heated convex except perhaps a powered one lol the crane had 12 cameras but they were forever getting grime on them. Everyone should learn how to use the basics before they are given crutches that may lead to poor driving tendencies out of belief that the blindspot monitoring system is working correctly. Driving a 2 ton missile can be dangerous and folks are too complacent with all the nanny systems onboard.
@@coryernewein Yup I agree! Some of these trucks have a separate little knob to back up trailers. Why? My steering wheel and mirrors on the doors work every time.
If you cant back up a trailer without all these electronic assist gizmos, you shouldn't even be hooked to a child's wagon.
I actually preferred the way the steering wheel felt in my hands.. and I actually thought the front end on the custom looked way better than the LT (Got tired of the bowtie). I had an LT before (2013), but I didn't use half the stuff in there. I have about 23,000 miles on mine since September of last year and I'm in lots of bad environments.. the steering wheel has been exposed and fine. I'll be sure to give another update once I hit 100k miles.
The upper trim steering wheel definitely didn't feel like leather. Felt like garbage to me. I hated it.
Of course, I'm probably in the minority, but I like to add things myself. I also don't like any of the safety features currently. So maybe in 10 years I'll consider it. It has nothing to do with if you can drive or not, I'm looking at cost down the road. Those sensors cost lots of money and they are not standardized. So regular panel replacement ends up costing a lot more if you get damage on the trail because of those sensors. So I'll pass for right now.
Other than that, I agree with you. Especially the lack of steering wheel controls kind of irked me.
Good video. :)
No transmission temp Guage? What a joke!!
None of the half tons do only the heavy duty diesel trucks have transmission gauges like the 2500 and up f250,f350 Etc
I don’t know about the 2019+ trucks. But my 2018 Z71 has trans temp. You just have to go to a different screen.
It's digital in the information center in the dash as far as I know.
I have a 2015 silverado LT that was a prior rental vehicle so it was spec-ed out as the most basic LT you could get. Even with the small infotainment screen it has the leather steering wheel, all the buttons and the color gauge cluster screen. I am shocked at the turns GM has made. I would never buy a brand new truck but wow they are really ripping off the guy who works with his truck all to pander to the guy who is driving it from his suburban home to a city parking garage. Great video, thanks for always being an advocate for people who work with their trucks.
Chevy interiors are so freaking awful. WTF is wrong with GM?
What’s wrong is the introduction of women in the development process.
The idiots at GM want the truck to appeal to women......
idiots
I used to own a 2017 Silverado LT. I liked the interior. It wasn't Lexus quality, but it was better than a Ford F150.
What didn't you like about it?
Gm has the worst truck interiors. Hell, my Gladiator has a nicer interior than a Silverado
@@R281 Every GM vehicle has better quality than a POS Lexus. Are you familiar with the various grades of leather? All junk Toyota"s (yes, Lexus is a Toyota) have split hides, meaning that it's not full grain leather, that's why it starts to crack in such a short period of time.
Other than this, yes, I agree with you. I also like the Silverado interiors, much better than Fords.
@@davidstjames_ Chevy is literal SHIT compared to Toyota. You bafoon.
I totally agree with everything you’re saying. Let me ask you this why don’t you interview someone from GM and ask them. You guys got pull !!!
Cause if they gave them hard questions they would lose that pull
It's not always easy to find the right work truck level pickup. As in dealers aren't ordering them, or say they "can't get them" (if it will help them push a sale). You have to find a dealership that will actually let you order the truck the way you want it.
Dude most people are driving that to the store to get milk, they're not towing a trailer.
that’s why ''alex auto'' gives a rating to the center console for its ability to contain a gallon of milk ...let's spend one dollars of gas to get one dollars of milk
Yeah but not for 45,000$
Your missing the point of the WT model truck.The plastic steering wheel is so you can clean it well after getting it all greasy at work! After all, it's a work truck.
Rubber steering wheels deteriorate badly with age. They first get smooth then chunks break off. Leather or leatherette is far more durable and easier to clean.
I've never had much luck cleaning grease out of leather
You’re missing the point, if they don’t want to put the leather wrap on stuff like that they should charge a lower price! He’s saying for 40K+ that stuff should be standard!
A work truck that shouldn't be $40k+. No work vehicle should be more than $25k, facts. If it doesn't have anything like in the video I'm not throwing that kind of money for it. Let alone a Chevy period.
The 6.2L on the hood looks like an after thought. At least it can be removed easily enough. Glad GM finally came around to adding the 6.2L to lower trims. Been wanting this forever.
What does it matter this truck is still good awful ugly I can't believe people are actually buying them.
SlumpNMyRump I think it looks sweet. It’s a throwback to the 90s box style with double headlights with a more aggressive futuristic fender.
Wait until the end of the year for the deals. I picked up my 19 Silverado RST All star package 4x4 crew cab 6.5 box, with max trailer package for $38. MSRP was $50. Be patient for the deals.
You got to have D07 option in your pick up, just like a leather wrapped steering and heated seats. Those are necessary options that can't be skipped. Trailer brake controller can be installed for 300$, best one is Tekanosha P3. Yeah them new mildly loaded trucks are going into 55k its crazy
The way pricing is going makes me even happier with my used Toyota Tundra.
Hell yeah! 2010 Tundra 207k miles here going strong 💪💪
Love my 2012 Crewmax SR5 TRD Off Road 4x4! Got it for a steal of $20k with 90k on the clock. Just barely broke in 😊
I just bought a first gen the other day!! Amazing.
Ya I have a 2015 F150 and I wanted to get a 2018+, but after crunching the numbers, I'm better off just customizing my paid off truck to a SIMILAR spec to the 2018s. It's just better to throw 2 or 3 grand at my current truck with new wheels and other shit than to go into debt for a $30,000+ truck.
6.2 v8.
I totally agree with you Tommy. That there are no stereo controls or driver display controls on the stearing wheel is criminal. How safe is it to play with those horrible knobs on the driver's display while your driving? Frankly Im shocked that still exists. Also I bet the cruise control is extra on that truck. Its 2020. Who there hell dosen't want at least basic cruise control? It should be standard and then make the other systems optional. A wireless charging piont should be std as well.
Also I think they should offer bench seats on ALL trims. Why the hell can't I have a bench seat on a kitted out truck? Some of us want that and other than some usb options on the lower dash I do not see why this can't be . I'm 6'6" and I find center consels uncomfortable on vehicles and this aggrevates the shit out of me.
More bench
The 2020 nissan frontier work truck has no cruise control 🧐
@@rjlopezmr.p2216 good dont need it 💾
We have a family of 6. I need the seating capacity. My company truck is a 2018 f150 xl. 2.7 eco/10 speed. One level upgraded radio with steering wheel controls and basic power options. Also best part, it has a rubber floor and I put floor mats in. Why does carpet exist to get destroyed.
@@brandonm6052 u like the 2.7?
I looked at one of these at a Chevy dealership and then went and looked at an f150 XLT and there was a HUGE difference in quality for a very similar price
In a lot of vehicles the wiring already exists for the options items that not installed just so they can have upgrade options. My car has a rain sensor on the windshield yet the control stalk does not have the auto function. The windshield cost $1,300 to replace.
Great video talking about lower trim levels, that’s why I bought the RAM warlock. I thought I got a little more for my money compared to GM or Ford.
MSRP was 46k, down to 37k after incentives
FYI I live I Denver if you guys want to do a review on it
I’ve got a Ram 1500 classic express. It’s got everything I need and nothing that I don’t. I would never be able to get a new style Ram or any other brand at anywhere close to the price of the classic
Brandon McBehan
I looked at the Silverado custom, but I thought I was a little to plain and I think the price jump from the Classic to the new style was just too much, for less than 2k I was able to extend the warranty to six years bumper to bumper 👍
It's cheap because it on a platform that does not owe FCA a cent. Try get a deal like that on a Rebel. 🙄
The gm frames are made so you’re going to need a new truck in 10 years anyway!!!
Yep absolutely. Trying to find ways to save. Ever since their bailout they've just plummeted. That's why Ram is sliding in as #2
I figured. Those NBS gm trucks are going to be in pieces in 10 years.
@@BURNZ2ACRISP If you think Ram (which is part of FCA) is better than GM, then you need to do some research bc Ram/FCA is known for horrible quality control/reliability. Maybe their quality has improved now in 2020, but I would never say Rams are better than any of the GMCs/Chevys...
Ford frames aint no better i used to make both at the same place they both order frames from the same vendor
Regardless of your politics a lot of the 45k is going towards the auto union.
That truck is not worth 45k. You’re paying for some entitled employee with no education who thinks they need 33.50$ an hour to work on an assembly line.
There isn't Auto Union in Mexico of where this truck is made.
@@Chinunit22 it’s Assembled in Flint MI by a union. Don’t believe me? Look up UAW Local 598 and flint Truck assembly Comrade.
@@Lester.M All you have to do is look at the VIN. Country of Origin on my Silverado is Mexico. The engine was built in Tennessee.
For the dash, for most people, as long as you have a tach, spedometer, fuel and temperature gauge, and probably an oil pressure gauge, that's all you need in terms of gauges these days. You don't really even need voltmeter/battery guage in most cases unless you're running stuff off the truck (perhaps like plows or a lot of lights and need to monitor the voltage or the battery). I'd be OK with a spare cluster like that. It has all the necessary gauges that most people need.
I bought a 2019 Ford F-150 STX and is a very nice set up for a lower model
Nah fords interior are more crap than chevys
STX is peak poor. A base model with wheels and a screen.
I would buy the F150 STX for my money. That’s just me, don’t want offend any diehards out there.
I like the STX grill and that’s about it.
Agreed- think STX is the best bang for the buck.
This is why I like Kia, they add tons of tech and soft touch to even the base trims. Even the middle trims have all the bells and whistles, like heated steering wheels, auto up and down for all 4 windows, safety features you mentioned, etc.
Very true. I'm a Ford man but I owned a Optima SX that I was very impressed with and didn't want to get rid of
Ya Mazda does all that except they also deliver a much more engaging ride experience... aka premium feeling steering and handling
Got a 2019 f150 stx, seems similarly optioned out as your chevy for 33k, brand new.
This is something I’ve been scratching my head about this. Even a work truck from 2005 or whatever even from the friggin 90s are 15,000 20,000 for a very used work truck. We need to get back to trucks being utilitarian
People used to buy truck because they’re cheap and reliable but in the past 7 years the prices went crazy
Ummm, I bought a WT. Manual locks and manual windows. Also, manual transfer case lever.
What year? Didnt think they had that anymore
dallasFan4 It is a 2008 Chevy 2 door with 8 foot bed. I have beat the crap out of it. Sadly the electronics systems that it does have are all problematic. Airbag sensors many times, evaporator sensor, tire pressure system, brakes, stereo, cruise control, and probably a bunch of items i missed broke on the truck but the engine is bomb proof and the transmission is rock solid.
I have never had an issue with power locks or power windows. Not once.
Andrew M i never had a problem with my manual locks and manual windows.
you can order a Ford F250 XL with manual windows/locks, the powered stuff is like a $900 upgrade.
The blank on the right side of the steering wheel alone would make me get out of the truck before I even crank it.
We got our 2018 2500 ram 4x4 brand new for 38k. It has power windows, power locks, back up cam, and cruise control. Everything else is manual (except for the transmission due to that not being available). We have put the truck to the test hauling loads across states, and using it at our farm. Couldn't be more pleased, and it didn't break the bank.
Back when I drove a truck in my late teens/early 20's, they almost gave trucks away. Now I can't/won't afford one 20+ years later when I actually have money.
"I dont haul or tow anything" I know plenty of people who dont either yet they still drive around in these big expensive trucks and their excuse is "well ya never know"
I think this is an unfair critique. With increasingly smaller families, 3rd row seating is less needed and thus, a truck is a more practical family hauler. Even living in a neighborhood, I find uses for a truck bed atleast once a week. I do pull a trailer ~1/mo tho
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same thing with 4x4. first of all it's not all wheel drive. so it can only be driven in 4x4 for short periods of time. secondly, 90% of us live where they clear the roads off in a few hours when it snows. 0 need for a 4x4. but everyone still buys them, driving up the price.
@@blue03r6 where do you live? And, like my first comment, this isn’t a nuanced view. First, 4x4 doesn’t not drive up $ of trucks Wholesale. It is a package. You can choose to not pay for it if you want. 4x4 is something I’d rather have and not use than not have and need. Bc it’s not just an inconvenience when you do need it, you’re just screwed till someone bails you out.
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@@blue03r6 based on your channel, you’re from northern KY. 5/10 most populous states are north of you including mega pops in NY, PA, and Chicago. All 5 of those can average 24”-72+” annually. (Weather.gov, El Dorado Weather). Furthermore, 40% of the population over 16 participated in wildlife related activities (DOI.gov). Idk about you, but I often have to go off road to hunt, fish, etc.
@@Cole_42 you may fart and poop your pants but do you wear diapers because you might need it one day? My point was actually more about a 4x4 is the only kind of truck you can find anywhere. So I gotta pay for a z71 package because finding a 2 wheel drive truck is like finding a unicorn. Everyone else has turned trucks into a status symbol so everyone else that actually uses a truck besides trying to fit in has to over pay for them
That Chevy will be a money pit at around 65k miles. Good luck.
@@123rrx
Most people don’t know how to maintain their own vehicle and rely on a mechanic to tell them when something is broken (because they make more money with that than preventative maintenance). But yeah, modern GM is crap.
Thats if your lucky. Working at a chevy dealership I've seen them come in as early as 20k miles lol
Lies..I have 2001wirh 285000 miles and still rolling
@@landristobias4089 that was before Active Fuel Management
“I don’t expect this truck to have Alfa Romeo or Lexus quality.” You can’t really compare those brands my good man. One breaks down driving off the lot, the other is out there hitting 300k on the odometer with proper maintenance. Lol
Toyota is way more durable than Chevy ever will be