How My Video Got 6 Cops Indicted | I Was There
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2021
- Almost two decades before cell phone video cameras came into widespread use, the violent actions of N.Y.P.D. officers during the Tompkins Square Park riot in 1988 were caught on a hand-held video camera by local Lower East Side resident and artist Clayton Patterson (@claytonles). In this episode of I Was There, Clayton recounts the wild and free era of the L.E.S. in the 80s and the events that led up to the riot and its aftermath, which included the indictment of several police officers and a jail sentence for Clayton for refusing to turn over his footage to authorities.
Featuring Excerpts From the Film “CAPTURED” (2008) provided by Clayton Patterson, Elsa Rensaa, Daniel B. Levin, and Ben Solomon. www.capturedmovie.com
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This guy deserves a full documentary, get on that.
Vice please take a look at my video
Its titled drunk cops shooting guns. I have a part two i have not released. I would like vice news to review my content because i have been wrongfully charged by corrupt cops. Please help me before i end up killing myself. Cant win against tour government police force in canada.
*Hero.*
Subtitles please... Youre a major news and video company. You cant pay to have subtitles??? For a company like yours it should be a given that your videos are uploaded with subtitles. Small independent youtubers pay, or use volunteers, to get subtitles up fast. Why can you? This video is almost a month old. Subtitles shouldn't have to be begged for.
Auto generated does NOT count.
"I was able to challenge the system. That to me is the American Dream. To be able to fight for freedom and survive." Hell of a quote.
Chills
Hell of a quote!!
Classic american loving any statement with this Sentiment, Trump would say the same thing
Autonomous-Playground: calm down, England. The point of the quote is that it is a *subversion* of the "American Dream" fantasy.
Yet conservatives would say he hates America lol
Clayton is a genuine NYC /LES legend! I lived around the block from him for 25 years. rock on brother ✊🏻
did you get beat up by the cops too?
@@jamal2982 I had a gun held to my head in a case of mistaken identity. Undercover NyPD.
@@jimmydiresta damn
Hey JD did you see the riot at Tompkins?!
@@dominicdelprincipe2583 I was in and around that time but not that nite
My dad is friends with Clayton, they grew up together in Calgary, AB Canada. I always enjoy talking to Clayton, his stories are fascinating. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet.
thats awesome, hes originally from canada?
My boy Clayton, love that man, and his wife. I was there during the riots, I saw him taking pictures from the top of that paddywagon. He hung out with us in Tompkins Square. He has a store on Essex Street, go check it out. Nuff love from Abdulla, and the family.
He's still living in the same spot as those 80's pictures were taken, in front of the security gate? Being from NYC, I can tell you that's an accomplishment in and of itself. Good for him.
Lol totally an accomplishment to sit inside all day and go out a few hours a week? 🤣🤣 Ok. From Bronx bro... It's like prison.. don't talk to nobody, don't mess with nobody, you'll be fine
@@AZJYouCantAfford There are people who live in palaces that stay there for years. So what is your point? Also, how do you know he goes out only a couple of hours. You think he only left a couple of hours to get all of those pics? You are a scumbag hater.
lol seriously an understatement. Must be rent controlled!
My uncles on the same thing in BK .. rent controlled building on border of mill basin … $615 per month today but he’s been in same exact unit since 1988 and it’s increased a couple hundred bucks a month or so since then …
If he was to move out he would lose the rent control and have to pay full market value for rent … he got on the rent control list 4-5 years before he actually got one in late 80s and at some point they grandfathered that program in … ppl like him were guaranteed rent control at same price or increase limited to like a couple percent per year max back then and as long as they don’t break the rental agreement or move out willingly, they cannot be kicked out or have their rent increased. Same building in mill basin guys are paying 2250 for the shoebox 1 bed and his is a full size 2 bed … steal !! He won’t even risk sub letting cause it breaks the contract …
@@surgec Fact, and that was really my point. Even rent controlled spots have been moved out under different laws. He's been there about 40 years. Thats actually a miracle on the lower east right now.
A good human and a camera can make a world of change.
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@@teachingclinic2378 stop your spam nobody loves you.
No kidding!
Especially when it only documents one side of the story.
- Ron Jeremy
The part when he says that something along the lines that people who used his video never so much as sent him a card over the years is heartbreaking and sad.
Definitely
What the hell is his address? we should all send him xmass cards!
100%
Of all the artists interviewed he's by far the most interesting of all, he doesn't have this obscure vision that a few art snobs pretend to understand his art is real and relatable and used for the good of the people. To say that your art tangibly helped others after being abused by the very people who swore to protect them is just incredible. Its obvious that this man has gone through a lot and he's openly said he has trauma that no therapist can understand so everyone who lives there and has been helped by him go make a concerted effort to help him because he deserves it.
This is the vice we love.... raw, real people story's.
Eh. It's pretty biased
@@MayorMcheese12 And? This is the people's pov
I feel the same way brother. It's a mainstream issue without the mainstream angle. Excellent video imo too! 💯
These are reals stories instead of Latinx lame vegan bullshit that no one wants to see
@@MayorMcheese12 show me a news organisation that's not
That moment when you realize the person you’re listening to is talking straight wisdom 🎸 🎥
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He’s only giving one side of the story.
Straight experience!
Just like the cops? Rather, he’s countering their side of the story…
@@charliediep An objective journalist would provide both sides. This is biased propaganda.
Men like this are the unsung heroes our children need to hear about.
I hope he feels beyond proud, and I hope he knows he truly did change a part of the world and now a lot more people will know his name. And hopefully he’ll receive some extra Christmas cards this year ❤️
PTSD from police misconduct/ victimization, many people, myself included, can relate to that. Local cops took pretty much everything I had. And, while attempting to get justice, you discover that lawyers and judges apparently also fear the cops. Keep those cameras rolling, people.
@Dr Will Kutchurkokov there’s boot polish staining your teeth.
@@vysharra I love your comment.
@@vysharra 😂😂
@Dr Will Kutchurkokov yes and they're are tons of mechanisms in place to protect those cops and go after the liars. But as you say, they're are two sides to every story, and a lot of cops lie, and far more look the other way when they're colleagues lie. There are not nearly as effective mechanisms in place to protect the victims of police misconduct and prosecute the police. For example, a recent study on exonerated people wrongly convicted of murder found that about half were victims of police perjury, and the police were punished (let alone prosecuted) only like 10% of the time. And that took an outside group to help them, the government refuses to. Prosecuting police for blatant misconduct is only now becoming commonplace, and they hate it and whine about it and send out siccophants to pointlessly bring up how sometime people do bad things to police, too.
See the difference in relevance?
@@admthrawnuru huh? UA-cam professor's never get old
Yay Clayton, I miss him and tnose days. Also, unexpected to see a couple old pics of me, Lydia and Spike back in da day.
Thanks for showing the Tompkins Riot & Lucky 13th. Man, those were the most intense, beautiful and life changing times in my life. So grateful I was past of it.
Clayton, I gotta come visit one of these days; Im just in Philly.
chEErs,
93
93/93
whats with the upside down 666 and 333 is that a satanic gang?
"You just sort of expected to be that person" - This hit hard. It is crazy how little we actually define ourselves in society. We begin to expect what society expects of us and its a constant struggle to be true to what YOU want.
Yo my heart goes out to him not being able to get real help from mental health professionals that truly understand what he goes through. As a person with ADHD I understand his deserted feeling 💔
A very knowledgeable and articulate man. He’s lived an interesting life and has some incredible stories. Definitely seems like he’s suffering from PTSD. I’d love to sit around a camp fire and sink a thousand beers listening to his stories. The saying is true, never judge a book by its cover. Cheers VICE 🍻
Same minus the beer 😆 need to be awake to enjoy the stories lol
Same minus the poison lol
@@randalllawkin “a thousand beers” was another way on saying you’d be sitting there for hours as he would have soo many stories…
Same. I absolutely love hearing older generations tell stories about how life was for them and the experiences they had.
Articulate?
This dude is real punk rock!
You’re rad brotha!
Central coast of California love to you sir!
👌👍 wassup from northern Cali
If anyone wants to know, the guy with the dreads performing at cbgbs is a band called bad brains. If you really wanna hear that hardcore sound these are the guys!
God fathers of punk imo
Yeah for sure. Dave Grohl has been getting the word out there about them the last 20 years!! I'm nearly sure he played with them a few times also? I could be misremembering though.
there huge. everyone who knows punk and cbgb's knows them. beastie boys used there initials to show how much they loved em
@@MrJames-tw3so I never knew that about the beastie boys!
This is why i leave comments on everything, i learn so much 😂
@@coachkells3759 I like your attitude towards the comments section and mine I felt I was being abit I don't know rude maybe which I wasn't I just know the BB a long time and just like to see there place in history more noted.
@@MrJames-tw3so i appreciated the comment, reflects how important this band are to punk
JFC, that part about PTSD...I was at standing rock back in 2016 and the level of state violence we experienced was truly disturbing. After I returned home from camp I spend a solid year and a half trying (and failing) to manage my PTSD. When I finally came back into my mind enough to start looking for outside help, there was absolutely nowhere to turn. In fact, just seeing the soldiers in their military uniforms on the PTSD therapy websites was enough to retrigger my nervous system (the national guard also assaulted us out there). I ended up losing everything, my home, my pets, everything I owned, even my mind for awhile there. There really needs to be some type of anticapitalist/anticolonialist trauma informed therapy!
A hero and pioneer - introduced cops to accountability
they were indicted but got off so unfortunatly he only really introduced them to the *possibility* of accountability
I wonder how much bad behavior he ignored from the other side. There’s always another side to the story. Those cops probably got off for a reason that he’s conveniently neglecting to mention.
@@Goulash45 U are correct and I am sure he didn't show the other side bc it would have made them look bad.
When it was discovered the “community activist” boiled his girlfriend in the tub, made soup out of her and fed her to the squatters in the park .... lol.
cops got off because of the garbage justice system that looks the other way as long as you're a cop.
I grew up in The Lower East Side and remember it was a tough place but it was a community where people looked out for each other even though there were social differences because everybody understood we were all in the same boat.
HEY look who I found!! When he was talking, I was like 'that voice sounds familiar' cause he sounds like you ❤ Tom Zebra may be the grandfather of cop watch, but this guy is for sure the great great great grandfather. Glad I watched this.....
@@LaurasharkCW WoW small world!! I knew this guy growing up he had a picture of my girlfriend in this video.
Man you did capture the last of the free life and set off what a bunch of people are calling police auditors. You have done a great thing by holding all the corrupt PIGS accountable for their actions otherwise they would be running rampant. Thank you for all you have done.
Thank you VICE for sharing this video and thank you to this man who spent most of his life filming the changes in life and all of life’s ups and downs and never backing down for no one.
The two things cops fear more that anything: shotguns and cameras. Can't thank this dude enough.
Having an uncle who was a cop who got shotgunned down, this felt some type of way
@@la-li-lu-le-lo9444 not the way
If I'm a cop and someone with a shoot gun is standing there if he even slightly raises it towards me he's getting shot
@@MoaiHeadEmoji I’d like to say all cops 👮♂️ would do this?
@@MoaiHeadEmoji yeah sometimes people stand behind walls or wait in corners
this guy is a hero
Indeed
@Jose skool II no i have a boyfriend
Is he tho
@@MoaiHeadEmoji read the room
@@MoaiHeadEmoji that’s why there’s a documentary on him and not you 🤡
I would like to say thank you for everything you've done. You deserve so much more appreciation.
Thank you for being someone that endured PTSD and stayed the course, you sacrificed so much for true history, seeing how the cops behaved, is so true to how they continue to behave. I am a trauma therapist and understand why this fell onto the way it did.
The way he talks about the lasting effects of dealing with police really shined some light on my own life thank you
Hopefully he can archive the video he's shot over the years - It'd be awesome to see old hardcore sets in CBGBs
Would also love to see this bro
I was thinking the same thing, I got into hardcore/metal mid 90’s coming up on bands like Focal Point, Earth Crisis, Sworn Enemy, 108, threadbare, endpoint ect, this dude I bet has so much sick footage he could create an amazing video dedicated to the rise of hardcore/punk/thrash anyone has ever seen.
@@rich5708 Pretty sure there were some clips of Bad Brains in there.
Yup.
I remember Clayton when I was only a 14 year old skinhead in NYC in mid 80’s
He has tons of Footage of the hard-core scene in New York. Lots of old bad brains footage as well
I got nothing but love and respect for old boy. I appreciate all the hard work and time you've dedicated to your passion. you've definitely made a great impact on this world
Legend!
Also I know it can be hard to open up when you went through an obscure trauma. That moment really hit me in the feels.
YES VICE 👏🏼
Give this man his own series!
I’m sure he has hundreds of thousands of pictures and videos documenting our great city!
this is great, glad vice has started to put out good videos again. Please make a long version I want to see more of Claytons footage and photos!
Good for you for standing up for the truth! I'm sorry for the PTSD it's given you but you're a rare breed to stand up to police corruption! You're an amazing artist!
"I have no particular love for the idealized ‘worker’ as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on."
George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
This dude kickin that wisdom and knowledge. Excellent piece by vice. It’s always so good when someone sticks with their craft. Eventually they get recognized. Thank you for your contribution to your community your country and humanity. What you have done is very important. Many blessings brotha.
Imagine being there in the 70s and 80s and coming back to the neighborhood and recognizing this guy from back then. Cameras are one of the most important inventions in history. You look at old photos or videos and you can pop it yourself there, or if you were already there at the time it was taken, go back in time
This man is a true hero in my eyes. A true visionary, and I really appreciate his work and ideology.
Thank you brother, you’re endeavours from the depths of your soul are truly appreciated.
Thanks Clayton for what you do. That has to be a difficult thing to do and I’m grateful there’s someone out there dedicating their time to watching the watch dogs. 👀 ⚖️
This is amazing this man is a blessing that’s never been credited for his effort he deserves so much more
This is the Vice I know and love. I loved the "how 90s trash TV became deadly" as well! That one was soooo good! Keep up the awesome videos! 💕❤🖤
Honestly, sometimes I forget that older people were once young!
Yeah but they haven't got any crisp looking cell phone footage of Miley Cyrus being outrageous with Robin Thicke have they. Just some camcorder of police riots & hardcore punk rock shows & bikers, drag queens, gang members, dealers, criminals, weirdos, artists.
Because some of them forget too.
Remember that when you get old, if you live that long
We forget sometimes too but we're still badasses just slower.
No all young people will grow old
Kind of like today, they can't stand being video taped. God forbid we catch them with proof of their crimes...
There are bad apples in all professions. They do not represent the whole.
@@philaufan6 they do not represent the whole, but unfortunately that’s what we see first because it isn’t okay
@@philaufan6 problem with what you’re saying is that with every profession, you being a bad apple and terrible at your job, would get you fired or punished. Being bad and terrible while being a cop, doesn’t even get the cop verbal punishment. They could even take your life unjustifiably and not be punished, THATS the difference, so when you sit here and say “ well there’s bad apples in every job or professions” all you’re doing is excusing their bullshit and defending them. In law enforcement, the bad and good apples are one in the same, because there is no one paying for their actions.
@@rodtaco9860 I agree, their are dirty cops, I've been the recipient of injustice because such cops.
I have also seen videos "proving" misconduct by police... problem is, they were clearly shot in a way or edited, to omit actions done by the suspect.
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 All of them?
This is the type of stories I love. Keep bringing me this content.
Awesome interview thanks for mentioning RayBeez RIP the godfather of my hardcore scene great guy gone way too soon spent alot of time in L.E.S. as a youth and young man lots of heroin down there I've been clean almost 4 years now we can and do recover again thanks so much for the interview and getting those thugs with a badge held accountable the police would mess with us outside the venues just for being different
Thank you for sharing this awesome story. This is what people need to realize. Riots come out of a need for change. I can’t help but wonder how different his story would be as a black man
Big difference between what was going on back then and what’s happening in NYC and in other places today. Oppressed people don’t commit rape with impunity. Victims don’t randomly slash open strangers faces with knives and box cutters. People who are living in fear don’t pull guns and spray bullets with no regard for where those bullets are going or who they might hit. Armed robbery isn’t a byproduct of living in terror. I was a little kid in the 80’s. I have friends from all backgrounds and I’ve seen how the attitude on the streets have changed. What’s happening now is people are taking advantage of liberal talking points. They are using victim hood as an excuse to commit violent crime. NYC is the real victim. It’s been raped and left for dead by communists like Bill Deblasio (real name Warren Wilhelm/look it up.) Until people start accepting responsibility for their actions NYC and America will continue down a spiral straight to hell. I can only hope people wake up.
When he said he met Nelson Sullivan I wasn't surprised he was iconic for holding the camera in those days sad he passed so young
Nelson was the original OG blogger. 30 years ahead of his time
@@jayonez137 yes he was deff the goat he would be a real name in today's time for sure
Thank you for your due diligence you’re an inspiration, we must be vigilant and hold those whom are meant to uphold the law accountable for their actions.
"I was able to challenge the system and that, for me, was the American Dream; to be able to fight for freedom and survive." - Clayton Patterson
In my country, the guy who filmed the evidence would have been killed by the cops.
Oof.
Yeah, we could have it worse.
You stay safe.❤️
When did you move to the u.s. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
That will happen in america soon enough. Free speech is stifled and only becoming moreso on a daily basis. We'll be joining your ranks soon comrad!
is that before or after i put it on the internet? would a cop kill if he knew the evidence was already available publicly? doubtful, because he would now be charged with murder in addition to the original crime he committed.
@@ChickenMcThiccken yeah no that wouldn't happen. We don't know what country this guy is from. For all we know hes from mexico where if you film a corrupt officer you will never see the next day. Shits real man I'm glad to be an american
Big ups vice for putting up amazing content like this 🙌
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Bye rose 🖕🏼
@@LegionOfShrooms Is there context to this?
I love you brother! I truly do. You are a blessing, a soldier, a reason I have hope in people, and believe we can work together, Americans, for the good, making a better world for tomorrow. You are a hero! Thank you, and thank God for you.
I wish this guy the best and that he finds a way to digitally archive all the footage he’s taken over the years
Thanks, Clayton Patterson for being you!
You began filming "the door" the year I was born.
Take care man!
✊🏾 ❤️ 💎
RIP Raybeez; I'm now 42 and still have warzone sprinkled throughout my Spotify playlist
Nelson Sullivan is the real OG vlogger, glad to see him mentioned here
I live in England in the UK so don't really know much Re the culture there... this man sounds like a legend, a true artist who captured moments in time that would otherwise have been lost. He will undoubtedly not be forgotten... Respect.
awesome he mentioned Nelson..he was a man before his time, when it came to "vlogging"...he was the creator of vlogging..
RIP nelson
This probably started in the 70s like “OK, GUYS, you film me and I’ll film the cops and that guy over there will film you so we don’t get beat up”
Trump lost lol
@@importantmancommenting9336 lost the battle but won the war👌🏻💯
@@importantmancommenting9336 are you still having nightmares about orange man?
@@importantmancommenting9336 your not that guy pal
@@importantmancommenting9336 What did saying that have anything to do with the original comment?
Very interesting. Thank you, Clay, for what you've done in addressing the abuses of Koch and the NYPD, and for enduring all those years of PTSD, depression, etc. I hope you're doing better now! As someone who's struggled with mental health issues like that almost my entire life, I can definitely relate, even if the background causes are different!
This man is an unsung hero. With all sincerity I thank you for your courage and dedication. You Deserve to hear voices of gratitude everyday of your life
Great filming tips. So this man started the cop watch movement. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.... Right officers?
Great filming tips. So this man started the cop watch movement. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.... Right citizen
@@clambo7786 oooh, so edgy supporting cops on a story about a guy famous for documenting unnecessary police brutality.
All that blood and no arrests. Leather must taste especially good today, right buddy?
@@vysharra dw about it, I bet they’ve been brainwashed by big cop industry they can’t even think of individuality anymore 😮💨
If a policeman/woman/other turns off their body camera, I can do nothing but assume they plan to do or already have done something wrong.
Salute to this man...sorry for what you went through during and after.. and thank you sir✍🏽💯
When he mentioned Nelson!! Nelson’s videos are such a cool time capsule of the past I love his videos
The price you pay hits me hard. The price we all pay is sad. They are Punishers, Clayton you are a Protector a Guardian and you do it with a camera you document the truth you capture it in time and in doing so you Protect and guard our rights. True solider of freedom. Freedom is living life without Force.
Think of all the police brutality that went on before it can ever be captured on media smh
Let's hope this doesn't repeat again in 2021 or in 2022
Great on ya to fight for freedom and survive, many others were a lot less fortunate as you well have seen with your camera and eyes. Great video.
Thank you to Vice for yet another reason to get up in the morning and stand up for yourself.
I was arrested and charge d for tresspass on my own property and three other felonies added falsely prosecuted ycso
I got beat by multiple cops and have seizures over it. They got away with it lol
Yup me at 13 got beat hard in yeh stomach got away with it
Rip
@Dr Will Kutchurkokov smoking cheese parmesan
Long and messed up story. It made news but they lied and my medical files prove it.. Had a lawyer against the pd but she quit and never said why..
@Dr Will Kutchurkokov luck that boot more. Leftist like us are the ones that keep that boot from stepping on you
I came for the title, stayed and now I want to just learn how to begin documenting through photo and videos :D
The sky is the limit, maybe one day ur name will be next to the greats
You are truly a beautiful and amazing man .thank you for your calling with the camera and recorder .You are a real American Icon . May the camera always let you see .❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
One of the best. Good production. Interesting artist. Really enjoyed this.
That building he owns or office space is worth millions... God I wish I was in NYC in the mid 80s to of been able to purchase property back then and sit on it.
lame
When this started I was wondering... hey I wonder if he ever rubbed shoulders with Nelson? Then I hear pyramid club then he says it!
I was on the same wavelength. Kind of mind blown
When I heard Nelson I perked up!!!! We need a doc about Nelson.
You sir, are a legend! Thank you for putting a tear in my eye! Inspiring
Congrats on the supreme collab Clayton ! Your art is amazing. New York legend
Vice. You've started doing good stuff again.
I'm glad
Not all cops are bad cops but the bad cops make all cops look bad. Respect to this man and his buddies who helped get some kind of justice
Where was any good cop in the department putting in .1% of effort to stop all the things this is trying to stop? Guess just no good cops in the NYPD
An amazing contribution of HEART and ART! I hope to run across you one day so's I can say hi and THANK YOU
I found you because my nephew has the same name 😂. I’m certainly glad to know your story. Thank you for everything.
Where should I send that greeting card?
As “The Excitable Boy said. “I want to live all alone in the desert, I want to live like Georgia O’Keef. I want to live on the upper east side and never go down in the streets”
The hero the US didn't know we needed. Thank you for your work.
Incredible video, brava Vice. Once again.
Thank god for you & for those that now follow in your footsteps. The importance is a matter of truth over lies, justice being served, & sometimes now life over death.
Thank you for finally posting something that actually stands for justice for once instead of being concerned with your bottom lines
Damn he was well spoken. His last statement in the video hit me deep.
The world needs more people like this guy. Thanks for all you've done.
Make sure you've got two cameras; one on the action, and another watching you. Because holding a camera can be like trying score a touchdown when they want it.
The OG of police brutality caught on tape. What a legend!
Why is it the ones with them self as there pics are the only ones missing a brain
@@MoaiHeadEmoji I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
@@BunnyBounce161 hold let me put my self trough he'll agian and watch this vice video to make you look stupid online while my minecraft wrold sits there with no one in it no one in it
@@MoaiHeadEmoji Wtf are you saying lol
@@BunnyBounce161 lol vice is the worst
This guy deserves an award and to be mentioned in media school.
What an amazing person. Thank you, Mr Patterson, for such transformative work.
Brought a tear to my eye thinking of how isolated all the people who do this feel. There needs to be an app to unite us. Citizen was advertised to me during this video, and I thought, if every auditor had that they might be able to film these events in unity
THAT was excellent. Thank You for fighting the Good Fight Clayton Patterson
This man is a hero.
You’re always mentally thinking. You’re always putting ideas together in your head.
That pretty much wraps this one up.
This the side of Vice we love. Everyday people with everyday lives. This guys is just important (may be the wrong word) as the beatles or the president, in our minuscule existence.