Polygamist Mafia: Escaping The Kingston Clan
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Although the mainstream Mormon church abandoned polygamy over 100 years ago, many splinter groups across Utah still practice plural marriage. One such group is the Kingston Clan, known to members as The Order. The Kingstons live in Salt Lake City and run their religion like a secretive business empire.
VICE meets Joe Robinson, a young man banished from The Order and trying to build a new life around his true passion: being a magician.
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these guys are all take care of their children you should focus on the black people do not take care of their kids
They talked his mom out of treatment and she died, then they sold all her belongings and kicked him out? I just want to hug him omg.
I’ve ran into him a couple times here in SLC. He is an unbelievably strong person. I grew up gay in the LDS church (and that was horrible) so I couldn’t even imagine what it was like for him. Part of the reason I haven’t moved from SLC yet, aside from loving it here, is that I want to continue working with local political and activist groups to take down the Kingston clan through legislation.
@@ethanahmu6149 good luck to you man. Seriously 👍
@@ethanahmu6149 is there anything people can do to help you, those of us living in different states? I'm a survivor of childhood trauma. Males in a position of power and trust. Jeeze even after all this time I cant type the words out in full detail. Naming it is like summoning a ghost. Anyways, your awesome for taking on this group. Could be saving many from unknown pain and horror. Let us know if we can help some way
The guys at the top are just really thuggish criminal self important use everybody else as objects are cruel- they run the religious group?
@@ethanahmu6149 good for you Ethan! they gotta go those people are hurting people they’re sick abusive people. Salt Lake City is a Beautiful Pl., Utah is a beautiful place but like many beautiful places you can hear the cries of the spirits of boys and girls in the wind and it’s a very sad place. But really that’s our world; you hear those cries in Australia, you hear it in Canada, and in India and Cambodia other places where people in power enslave and traffic children and do very cruel and horrible things to children. And you may not know about the scandals of those places, and Id encourage you to learn about these shameful atrocities. governments, especially here in the rich and powerful west, is good at concealing their evil, including our own government which has actually done terrible things to its own people let alone people in foreign lands. The Men at the top want to own women and they want to abuse girls and they want to conceal it under supposed religious beliefs. I’m gay as well and I grew up in the Roman catholic church I went to 12 years of Catholic school it was a total mindfuck and it took me the next 40 years to unwind from it but they have absolutely no moral authority when their priest abuse children and they don’t do anything about it it’s been going on probably for at least 1000 years. Yeah so stay in Salt Lake City and be a part of the healing! Violence, genocide, inflicting pain on the innocent and the defenseless, and the stealing of resources, and the starvation of people, all these things have been going on forever and it’s just tiring talking about it, But we never give in!what I get encouraged about is seeing the incredible strength of an individual human spirit in surviving those things and freeing one’s self so just remember that they really can’t destroy us.
He’s so abused you can see it in his eyes
My heart is touched by his pain. He tries to keep his tears back.
I know I see it heart breaking
He’s a wounded man AND Ya gotta leave the sick system to get better. My godfather grew up in an orphanage he got married he was a very successful employee of a large aerospace firm he had two beautiful daughters and he died of a heart attack when he was 45. But he never was self pitying and I’m sure the orphanage was horrible. but that’s him and not every person is him I’m just saying that there is hope he can get better for sure he’s got a lot of strength and he’s got some good friends and he’s going to college I am really pleased he sounds more self-confident at the end of the movie when he’s doing his magic you know he’s like really out there in Las Vegas and he’s working it he’s doing good
They all are.
he doesn't know what to think they made him lost in a sense
Incest is illegal in the state of utah. This goes to show just how powerful this group is there. Thank you Joe for your courage to share your story. God bless you
Powerful or just privileged
@@tahaquoancient8169 yes indeed. unfortunately the privileged hold quite a bit of it in this plane.
Wait incest is illegal? I thought it was immoral, but never knew it was illegal.
They are obviously paying off "the right people " there so that they are free to do as they please :/
Actually incest and inter family marriges are legal so long as both parties are consenting and can prove in court that they cant reproduce. And in Alabama its completely legal
Joe is now studying in University of Utah. He shd be able to slowly assimilate into mainstream society. I see a bright future for him. Just don't go back to the clan.
Glad to learn that, thankyou.
I want to hug that lad and tell him everything will be okay. I hope Joe is feeling better and his life is back on track.
At the end he's in Vegas showing a Black woman (aka a queen) a black queen card. He's got a great sense of humor. I don't even have the balls to consider doing that. He's going to do awesome things in his future.
Joe a really cool and great looking guy❤....he has some newer videos out and stuff now in 2024😊
“I have 13 siblings on my moms side and 157 on my dads side”
I honestly screamed. His mom probably had a baby every time his parents did the do.
😳😳😳
I cant get past that part the rest of the video i wont even 🎶
13 siblings is already a barely feasible number for one person, 157 is downright absurd even if the guy has had 14 wives (I had to look it up). How do you even have time to cause 157 pregnancies? Joe's dad, based on the info I could find, is in his 70's now. Even assuming Ortell got him hitched promptly at 18, that's an outrageous number of kids to have in probably less than 50 years (since Joe has said in interviews that his dad may have had more children since he left, so that 157 isn't his lifetime total).
My head started aching , Because this is outrageous
the woman who is helping them has a beautiful soul. you can seen how she truly cares
She’s one of those real life angels
OMG that's all I could think ! One of the most positive people and trying to make it work from both sides
I'd literally love to be a part of something that beautiful
❤
She did a documentary upholding polygamist
The sweet lady with the glasses is a saint. Shes made her life meaningful by helping those kids. I salute her :)
She works with some women in a FLDS run store. I saw it on Explore With Us Documentary on UA-cam.
I bet she use to be Mormon. Not the FLDS, but just Mormon.
@Brooklyn Malone I could tell. I was Mormon for 23 yrs. Bless her for helping others escape that
This young man is incredible. The trauma he endured after his dads coldness and moms passing is serious and he’s a survivor. I’m amazed by his ability to share his experiences so clearly.
They let him mom died it's sad
If polygamy is illegal but not criminalized, what point is in that law???
the bill that passed does criminalizes it before that federal law states it illegal state law how ever made it legal
It's basically like how cannibalism is illegal but you cannot be charged with cannibalism in a court as no laws forbid it. It's kinda a grey area people don't like to talk about. Like how underage sex is illegal but kids still have sex and everyone knows it happens but no child is charge with underage sex.
@Julie Walker what's so bad about polygamy if it's consenting adults?
Torin Jones those are both horrible analogies. It is unlike either of those.
A simple google search will tell you the difference.
-a law student.
Under age sex of two ppl consenting and both under 18 is legal in the lawbooks. As well as a romeo and juliet law in multiple states that allow one party over 18 as long as they are within 2 yrs age of each other. I was young and dating an older girl before
Did he just say my mom and dad have the same father?
Yup
So ...his mom and dad are also his sibling...like.soooo CREEPY
@@meghacloud3366 no they're not...
@@meghacloud3366 his mom and dAd are also his uncle and aunt
Christopher Williamson hahaha reminds me of a song a heard once. “ I am my own grandpa”.
Everyone is speaking about polygamy but im even more shocked by the INCEST! Hell!
ssissi gui Its biblical, read kjv not Mormon.
ua-cam.com/video/MqXsDfwzWls/v-deo.html
Why r u shocked? These christian cults are known for shits like this.
@@RonLarhz Mormon not Christian
@@arkham661
Yes they r. Just another branch of christianity. Still based off Bible.
@@RonLarhz yea my mistake
The human trafficking aspect of these cults needs to be explored more.
Not just cults. This shit happens every and it cant be stopped because I'm sure the government and police departments help in lots of cases.
It’s human trafficking due to isolation and separation tactics. They aren’t just getting people to marry they are separating families
His story about his Mom dying made me cry, I wanted to give that guy a hug.
best of luck to joe. dude broke out of that cycle, i respect him for that
Yea no kidding that makes me sick. I wish I could bring that kid to California and put him up on my couch or spare room for free and let him live a normal blessed life and get a job etc...
+Jason Rentaponga lol yeah. I am still living in Utah. but I have met some very awesome, loving people that are helping me so much. thank you, it means a lot to me.
Dude, this is so crazy...! All the best man.
+Subliminal Espionage thank you. :)
+be nice thank you. I've been sober for 21 years. :)
So his parents are half siblings? And then his crazy father sold his mother on some crack pot treatment and got her killed? Then essentially disowned him?
Wow, I'm sure Jesus woulda loved that.
Then Father asked the Son, to pay a fee to return.
I think we are the bad sims game of god
They don't follow the teaching of Jesus. They believe in some crazy stuff. Any denomination or religion that has tax exempt status and filthy rich leaders is a huge red flag. Why our Government allows it is beyond me. Maybe it's cause they are all in cahoots. Just look at Utahs former senator.
Mormons don’t follow Jesus lol.
These are what the bibles call hypocrites
I love the way Priscilla's dad said that he told her it was her choice if she chose to leave or not for those of us who used to watch the show escaping polygamy when we watched that poor girl flee in the night in tears petrified of her father it didn't really seem like he was giving her much of a choice
The sisters story about losing her baby then not being able to get medical assistance for so long is horrific. Any woman who has experienced anything in pregnancy like this will understand how the body remembers. That broke my heart hearing that. She is an incredibly strong woman and an amazing mother.
This is typical of cults, to control everything internally because they are terrified that going to outside sources for help may expose their abuses.
Julli’s entire story was told on Amanda Rae’s UA-cam channel
It's not just the splinter groups but Mormonism as a whole that's a massive corrupt scam.
Right when she said the magic tea didn't work , n her husband beat her because she called the doctors to get the baby out I can't imagine how the hell she felt being beating n a baby in her that can't n won't come out , like damn I'm gonna die an just expecting death coming to her , then boom that light came up and out and said enough was enough n I'm proud of her. That moment she realized that was not the life style she wanted
I’ve always wondered what happens to the body in such a treacherous situation
i wasn’t actually aware that practices like this were still present even till this day, Joe clearly seems traumatised and it’s obviously going to take more than decades to fully heal. the fact the he had to go through this and will still continue to carry this burden on his shoulder is terrifying.
There are a few states in this country that could use a good colon flushing. Sorry
How the hell can you have a baby every year and stay skinny? Everything about all of this is awful
@@CaptainCaterpillars lmao shut up
@@user-ks6kj9no9n it's fact, it all depends on self-discipline
@@eddsworldkrove1449 Lmao shut up
Captain Caterpillar what a nasty way to look at it. I hope you develop better empathy and people skills.
@@eddsworldkrove1449 u first
He looked so broken, I’m glad he has a support network outside the “family”
Dude needs about 10 years of de-programing.
Seeing him at the end, going up to people and having the confidence to ask if they want to see a magic trick made my heart so happy. It's so nice to see him happy after going through all the horrible stuff he did.
Last time I aproached somebody like that I got pepper sprayed,
Good lord he is cute
@@torosalvajebcn Calm down John Wayne Gacy
Also how sweet is Christine? She seems like an angel, helping people like that and loving them and defending them like her own children.
yess i want to be like that someday
i thought the same exact thing. she is so brilliant and supportive. The world needs more people like her.
She is a great person.
Idk, I got a creepy vibe from her. Like when she's quoting Houdini, and she says "I just think that's the most perfect way to say it, ISN'T IT?"
Like dude, you're talking about being an advocate for kids escaping a cult, but you're feeding them cues like that? It doesn't take a psychologist to know that's a little disturbing.
I mean, she's likely better support than these kids families were, I agree... but not all "caring" people are altruistic, some people can put a lot of hidden expecations on the people that they're "helping," ...like unquestioning agreement, loyalty, ect...
@@LaughingIshikawa ooookay? How in the hell is she creepy? What are you doing for the X polygamist community? I'm just curious
Julli’s story sent fucking chills down my spine.
Can you imagine holding your dead baby inside of you, and your husband doesn’t care? Oh my god.
And he ATTACKS you when you try to get medical attention?! My heart broke for her. Glad she seems to be happy now.
"My mom and dad had the same father" That one hit me hard.
This poor kid looks like he's just now realizing how weird his life actually was.
My home city...
The lady with the glasses is a grown up Luna Lovegood.
lol
yesss
And we all know how awesome Luna was, so it makes sense to me!
😂😂😂
oh my god, she totally is!
“My mom and dad have the same father” whew what a sentence 😳
Thats not polygamy thats incest here in Africa so sad..
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 anywhere is incest
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 you're right. That is incest.
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 That’s incest in North America too! Well, across all continents that’s incest. These people are beyond fvcked up.
Wow.... this was mind blowing.... I am a product out of an incestual situation between a Father and His daugher. I was given up for adoption at birth and raised by a non nurturing mother but that turned me into a very nurturing person and mother. at age 39 I was found by my birthmom... and a year later found out the truth about my birthdad/grandfather. that was 13 years ago. Wow...
The incest is whats nasty to me that’s basically marrying and having kids with your favorite cousin
No..... With your brother.... 😱😶
& siblings 🤮
I can accept cousins I guess but brothers and sisters. No way
Damn I have a hot cousin too
col you can accept cousins?
You can just hear the pain in this boy voice!! He needs his dad the most right now & he treated him like that!! I hope he stays far away from the ordered and has a good life down the line away from that leader& the clan💙
I’m so happy Joe has magic. He once used it to escape and now he can use it to connect.
Father dislocating his daughter’s jaw...
and no one has taken action smh
This is not the only daughter John Daniel Kingston beat. Watch Escaping Polygamy. The 3 main girls of the show are also John Daniel Kington's by 2 different wives and I know he beat 1 of them so bad, CPS got involved and the courts. She was actually adopted by a non polygamist family and is now trying to save other girls from the clan.
@@kellysalinas7478 Believe it or not it's not this happens in monogamous relationships too
@@chronometer9931 Yes... it does. But this comment is about John Daniel Kingston and the Kingston clan.
A father dislocating his daughters jaw is criminal, and should be dealt with by the law no matter where you came from.
I came from a much less violent polygamist group. We were taught that a man that acted this way to his family was practicing unrighteous dominion. It's just horrible.
This dad's day of reckoning will come, and he will feel very small and ashamed. You reap what you sow.
What a trooper that new husband is!! Taking in not only his new wife but her friggen 9 children too. DAMN
She’s an alpha that’s very attractive in a woman who can hold her own with kids 🥰
#whitegirlmagic
She said she left with 6 so I assumed they had 3 together.
@@mahoganyhoney I think she has 6 children and when she says she’s the mom of 9 she’s including the children she miscarried
@@forevergoddessqueen4404 I almost had a stroke reading this..
I had a room mate who was raised in the Bruderhof cult which he left around age 18. He was 30ish when he lived with me and he was one of the finest people I have ever known. He was kind, intelligent, giving and a stellar human being. I am enriched for having known him.
You can tell in the way these former Kingston clan members talk that they suffer some sort of shared trauma or ptsd. Their speech is broken like their view on life. It’s so sad. But they are recovering and now living their own lives. I wish them the best in what they do. I thank them for raising awareness about an issue I’ve never heard about before. More people should know about this
Their speech patterns reminded me of the Turpin children.
@@rcair123 pretty sure our algorithms linked up i JUST finished bingeing the turpin family case and yeah, i agree, they seem just as traumatized and it pretty much reads similar too, both cases have the 'powerful' parental figures brainwash their many many kids that contradicting them is against the religion while abusing them emotionally
Their speach is broken due to incest.thats what happens you become dumb
Poor guy, u can see the pain in his eyes when he started talking about his mom💔 I'm sorry some people have to go through this man🙁
2:45 sickening. you can buy your mother’s items or they’ll sell them before kicking you out. these men high up in the clan deserve no happiness.
Me: the church of Scientology is so corrupt.
Polygamists: Hold my wives
Also polygamist: hold my 150 kids per one father.
😂🤣🇲🇽
Top comment: pretty brilliant comment.
@@a.k.4085 thank you 🙏
Oh my 😂💀
Worst dad of all time.
Bless that woman for helping those kids. Truly great!
13:06 the father claims that he gave his daughter the free will choice to leave or to stay. However, he permanently banned her from associating with anyone in the clan should she go. What manipulation; Very abusive and wrong.
The typical "i love you so much, so i'm gonna punish you" speech
Also if I am remembering correctly she had to sneak out because she was 17 when she left and had to cross state lines so they wouldn't send her back to her family.
I love the older blonde lady with the glasses
😍😍😍
Such a loving soul
She also helped a young woman named Priscilla. She was able to escape thanks to Jessica and Kollene. They put Priscilla in a institution to try to brainwash her when her mom caught her trying to be emancipated and escape the first couple times.
*i couldnt agree more. She is absolutley beautiful inside amd out!*
Asking your son to pay for him to come back, lmao thats effed up
I had a Mormon father who made me pay him rent to live in the garage with my younger brothers. We had no air conditioning. My father thinks that we owe him for his abusive treatment.
Yup if the kids paying all their cash to father, the wont have money to buy weed to schmoke a bowl :)
+Don Bagley sorry to hear that man. Theres one thing we can do in life - not to recreate the mistakes of our parents.
Mormon or Fundamentalist Mormon?
+Orbital Tube very well said. I just will never understand some of the things my dad says. :/
Ok but.. they didn’t show Priscillas full story- she had to leave in the middle of the night when her grandmother (who was going to force her into marriage in about a week with her cousin) was asleep, get a taxi to a bus stop , flee to Las Vegas , and live in that safe home (the woman with the glasses) where she wouldn’t be sent back to her family like she would in Utah , as she was turning 18 on about a month and was still technically a minor. She did this with the help of two girls , Jessica and Shanell in their show Escaping Polygamy.
Thank you for sharing!!! Her story is just as important!
I feel so sad for Joe and his sister. They are both so strong for standing up for what they believe and what they do not.
Joe seems to have so much anxiety and fear. I really feel for him, he doesn't seem to understand whats going on around him or world now-a-days. Its really scary.
That’s what happens when you’re in a “cult” or an otherwise isolating religion. I was raised primarily Jehovah’s Witness my entire life and it wasn’t until I started talking to people outside the church that I realized everything I had been taught and all the rules were strange. It’s a reality for a lot of people and they really don’t know until it’s too late.
A kid every year... Talk about over population
657Tasha657 Mormons are trying to spread their religion by having lots of kids.
That is the point they have to replace the ones that say fuck you and leave. So sad.
+ARNGcandy Oh shut up. What a load of bullshit.
@@FacitOmniaVoluntas. I'm not going to say the people in this video are Mormon. Although as far as people who identify as Mormons go they do try to have large families, and so do the Muslims. It's a core thing, and is one of the most successful methods of takeover used throughout history.
that’s the point. they want their population to grow so they can spread their religion. that’s why mormons in general have so many kids
My heart goes out to these kids. I grew up in a dysfunctional family and get it when you think crazy is normal and find out it really isn’t. God bless Joe’s sister and the advocate for loving on these young people. I hope the advocates program has Counsling available. I felt some kind of way when she was assuring the men the girl was a “good egg”. I was like who gives af what they think they wanted this baby to marry her own cousin! The fact is that she is clearly a teenager and was forced into marriage is too much for me. Those men had no respect for that woman. You could see the disdain in their faces. The lady is sweet but she needs to understand you don’t owe those sick bastards a damn thing they give zero f*cks about those kids except what they can take from them. But that is that keep sweet mentality she was probably raised with. She was being nice bless her she is better than me.
„We should get our choice, just like you chose to be gay”
It’s so strange to me how people can believe in such easily refutable ideas. I mean if you couldn’t choose your sexuality, why should other people be able to
When your family tree _cinches_ in the middle, that's traumatizing.
that’s a REALLY nice way of putting it... I would say when the roots and branches ✨E N T A N G L E ✨ you may want to seek help 😅
It's a family circle.
@@PBaraik "Their Family Tree is a Wreath" is the phrase I personally enjoy.
It’s like a tree trunk without the branches
It's amazing that these crazies produced such an intelligent, thoughtful young man. All the best to Joe.
It goes to show ya that people can be good or bad no matter how they were raised. Sometimes nature wins over nurture. He's the perfect example.
This is heartbreaking
The handmaid's tale irl.
RonLarhz like no cap
Its very prevelent...
9:42 There we go, He didn't want his son back he just wanted his slave back.
And wanted his money.
“Just like if you chose to be gay” and that my friends, is when I stopped trying to see both sides of the picture in this video
well actually that is a legit statement
George Michaels who was gay stated numerous times he chose to be gay. The gay community gave him shit haha but turns out you can choose.
Well, I understand why you stopped seeing both sides. This video triggered me.
But people who choose bisexuality choose what kind of sex organ juices they want smeared everywhere...what about them?
Also, I feel polygamy should not be made a criminal offense, just like gay civil union.
As a straight someone in an relationship who doesn't choose to follow or take part in any religious practice, I feel the terminology should be adjusted for everyone. Marriage has traditionally been a celebration of heterosexual union under a deity like God or Allah, or set of deities like those who worship Paganism. In my opinion, the term "marriage" belongs to the religions that practice marriage, because for them it is a ceremony of union under their deity/deities. I feel Civil Union should be the term for any instance the government recognizes as a union of finances and families, regardless of religious choice.
I feel this is what the government should call people they recognize as being a pair (or more) of spouses that should come with all of the governmental benefits and detractions of a heterosexual union (marriage). I also feel like all marriages that have taken place should be reworded in any legal documentation to "civil union" to prevent any form of future discrimination based on the possibility of selecting "single married or civil union" on forms and applications. In my opinion, this is a seperation of church and state issue, as well as a terminology issue, and its bullshit that those diaper sniper fucks in this kingston community can get away with kiddie diddling while simultaneously making polygamy look like the real issue.
Targeting polygamy would be an easy way to break these kinds of groups up, but it will also damage those who just want to be polygamous outside of any religious practice, and those who are part of a polygamous religion as well.
They should be targeting the incest going on in that community, because incest is ILLEGAL in Utah.
@@tjthegreat7 I can also say I have brown eyes because I chose that color and no one is going to believe it
Fr "choosing" to b gay smh.
@@tjthegreat7 I dont know who George Micheals is, but I certaintly didn't choose. If I had a choice i would have chose to be straight, but now im happy with myself
Very proud of the advocate and this kid.
He will go far.
My best friend passed he was real into magic had tough upbringing and it was for him an escape. And it opened his mind to questioning reality.
Loved him, miss him, but the important take away is magic is a gd outlet and everyone who chose to leave made their lives harder and my hope is they're all helping each other and thrive.
The path less traveled is full of overgrown bushes, weeds, thorns...once u blaze that trail it makes it easier for those behind you to follow
Maybe in a perfect world , but not in this one I feel so bad that you can break your “family members jaw “ or make them pay for your dead mothers belongings it says we LOVE family but how do you love anything if not your own son or daughter or wife - that’s not Love
Marrying your cousin or half sister is just fucked up these people are sick
Look at the countries which legalized Polygamy almost all are in africa or the middle east those are some incestrous bastards
It's weird how incest makes you turn black
***** ew you're burned
Just because polygamy is legal in certain countries, doesn't mean that it's common. The overwhelming majority of people in Africa and the middle-east do not practice polygamy.
Not sure of how common it is but first cousin marriage is legal in many countries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg
Joe's sister...
They're all about "it's our right to choose!" but I can bet you 100% they are against a woman's right to choose. #prochoice
@Helen Hines btw it's cluster of cells not a child lol
@Helen Hines So it is ok for the men to abuse and brainwash any female member of their 'family' they choose and get them pregnant against their will as long as they support the children? They can impregnate as many women or girls as many times as they wish as long as they pay money? What about the suffering these women and girls endure via the consistent abuse and pregnancy after pregnancy every year or so? But no thats cool to completely disregard their human rights as long as a man gives a bit of god damn money?
#prolife
I’m not prochoice or pro life I sit in the middle of it really because I’m able to see both sides I don’t think abortion is right but I see why it’s a necessity.
@@sjsjdjfjf5116 Hey I recommended checking out this video: m.ua-cam.com/video/c2PAajlHbnU/v-deo.html
It comes from a pro-choice position but frames the argument in a very different way.
man i feel so bad for him
ya, he seemed like he's doing alright now tho.
I am so proud of him!
You can see him being struck by how weird it is while he's saying it. That kid will be alright. And I had never thought of magic that way. So he already taught me something special. He's gonna go far, that kid.
I'm technically fine with polygamy. I went to a university with a Muslim community. I had classmates who were 1st, 2nd or third wives. One particular friend of mine who helped me fit in was a first wife who pursued education first and wants to have a career on her own. Her husband understood and they decided not to have children between them until then. The second wife and 3rd wife had them for them. And she's still a mother of 5 children prior before she became a third year. She says she's not any less of a wife compared to the other two, and doesn't mean her husband's love for her is less as well. He fully supports her every step of the way.
What goes off the charts is that you marry 10, 15 or 20 women and don't have the financial means to support such family. LIKE, COME ON, TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY!
Power to the people who had the strength to leave their community when they realize it's not healthy for them.
that woman is doing something very beautiful. I wish her the best.
MrDynasty7 I agree. She acts like a mother to those children where they have only had disfunciónality.
That laugh after he says "is that your magic card?" Is the best part of the entire video. Look at him! He's enjoying a thing he chose to do himself!
Joe seems like such a good man. He deserved so much better
“Just like if you chose to be gay.” CHOSE. Nobody chooses to be gay.
Yeah but at the same time you dont choose who you fall in love or how many. The wording sucks and i agree with you but i think the comparission is ok
@Jessica Uwadiae oh yeah the violence against the followers is ruthless and i think everyone should have the right to leave with minimal or none consequences ( by minimal i mean being excluded by other cult members maybe even family). However i dont like when the state have rules on private matters
@@antoniosaldanha4500 I'm pro polygamy but for people to be responsible and polygamist requires them to not have a fuckton of children with many people. I'd say that polygamy in and of itself isn't irresponsible but their cult definitely is.
He was just revealing his ignorance publicly!
@@midshitfuta what do you mean whats the maximum children? Who is going to decide de number and why
That woman is such a hero. Honestly 💓 the warmest heart. She takes in these kids and makes them feel loved.
when he said about the bell he kept the his mother used to ring when she was sick, that broke my heart, I feel you bro
Where is Joe at now? How is he doing? How about a follow up VICE?
he has a youtube channel ua-cam.com/channels/8BO57zqmhVYG8KGZqvSfhg.html
I lived for here a couple of years. The weird thing is, they treat outsiders like THEY are the weird ones. This is so sad 😮
Amanda Sheppard that’s “the weird thing”?
may 6th is my birthday, and joe said may 6th 2015 was the day his father told him he could leave. it’s crazy to think that when i was celebrating my twelfth birthday, his world was turning upside down. wild
It's something I think about from time to time. All of your happy days where you're smiling and laughing, someone else somewhere in the world is crying and experiencing something traumatic. It's weird to think about.
@@missys.3038 i think about that too. My happiest days were someone else's worst.
Rights and choice have nothing to do with it. There’s simply no way polygamy can exist without exploiting and abusing women.
I remember as a teenager going with my father to the Kingston owned restaurant supply and my father told me you stay next to me don’t look around we go in we go out.I never understood why he felt that way until I became an adult and started reading about the FLDS and the Order and watching “ escaping polygamy.” My heart aches for all the young men, women, wives and fathers trying to leave.
Why support them in the first place to money = power!! Don’t spend your money on that
@@pennylane428 I'm sorry for your loss. I'm happy your dad kept you safe and vigilant.
I hope your dad doesn’t still give them money
@@Zimzum93 her dad died. Good lord.
@@tooturntt21 Thank you, you’re really kind and they’re really not. I guess someone decided to -remove- my response about my father being deceased🤷🏻♀️
Polygamy, totally fine. But polygamy to the point were you've got more than 100 kids with 14 different wives and incest runs rampant in your family it's just GROSS!!!!!!!
simon reyes its a slippery slope which is why it shouldn't be a thing at all.
It is not a slippery slope at all. There are a few, high profile, exceptionally rare cases that get a lot of attention for their extreme numbers, and the leap to arranged marriages/incest, well, if we are going to tackle those we should start with the whole priest oriented version of christianity... now THERE is a slippery slope for abuse.
@@neeneko wherever polygomy is allowed child brides are legal too. Also polygomy and catholic priests have nothing to do with eachother.
simon reyes polygamy is gross. period.
simon reyes if it your chose not chose for you
I used to watch the A&E series escaping polygamy based on this family. It was so very interesting and sad at the same time.
“It’s a choice just like how you CHOSE to be gay” - Pro Polygamy protestor
lmao.
Being gay aint a choice
IKR
Being gay is a choice. Having homosexual proclivities is not.
Many people who have aforementioned proclivities live a heterosexual lifestyle. As do some vice versa.
You may not like that. But, your accepting it or not, has no bearing on the existence of it.
@@benjaminbradley6669 lmaoooooooooo stay pressed
I don't speak your derivative of English. Please explain to me what you wrote.
Who else wants to go through your screen and hug joe! And that blonde lady! And the sister and everyone hurting! 😫😫😫
Bless him and his 150+ siblings. It's a fucked up world honestly
“I have thirteen siblings on my moms side” is a crazy way to start a sentence
"I didn't know how bad it was until I left." Ditto. And I just left mainstream LDS
Good for you.
Is mainstream LDS just as bad?
@@midwestbadger2503 I left the mainstream LDS church 8 months ago and it's not quite as bad but it's really not good for you, well it wasn't for me but it's not as severe as these sort of groups but that's just my experience.
Im very grateful that you were able to get out. I wish you a life full of everything that makes you happy. Did you have to sneak out of the house with your stuff, like i have watched others do or did they let you go?
Its quite Sad, You can see the embarrassment in his Eyes.
I have so much respect for people who escape from toxic environments like the Kingston Clan.
I've visited Utah. It is still the most breathtakingly beautiful state I have visited in the U.S. Better than California, in terms of its geography and landscapes. This video has great shots of Salt Lake City, showing those massive, sparkling mountains. There were parts were I honestly thought I was in Switzerland. Too bad such a gorgeous land is cursed by these weirdo Mormon cults.
yoooo man, try out Colorado. Beautiful weather and similar landscape but replace the Mormons with hippies; its great
George Matthews Colorado is also very beautiful but the landscapes are pretty different for the most part.
I know right? Utah has so many beautiful national parks ( I've only visited Bryce Canyon so far), but I'd never consider living there due to the huge Mormon influence and the presence of these crazy cults.
Bruh chill. The actual mormon church the church of jesus christ of latter day saints isnt a cult. I'm a member of it. Dont judge man. We arent weird. There are way too many weird things that are going around about my church.
Utah is my favorite place ever I was stationed there while in the air force. Finishing up school and I'm going to move back
Joe is going places!! I wish him he best with everything and sending him all the love and good vibes. He sounds like a really admirable and stand up guy. He’s also very handsome! I hope he can use his story to inspire others
"Just like you get to choose to be gay."
Ermmm NO
Being gay is not a choice NEXT.
it is lmaooooooooooooo
@@UnDeAdSpRaYe it is NOT lmfaooooooooooooooo
@@yveo check how many so called lesbians had boyfriends before going gay. lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo
@@UnDeAdSpRaYe your argument is stupid, just like your opinion.....
Have a nice life
BYE
@@yveo its okay if you cant face the truth :)
This teaches us that pedophilia and incest are ok if you pretend to do it for your faith.
Isn't religion wonderfull...
Not all religion are like this. Most only allow one wife and is OK with married people using birth control. And women working and going to college
You not getting proper message then
Many religions or forms of - are wonderful. Clearly this wasn't an example of that. But, don't be hateful and categorize those that stand for good with something as atrocious as this.
D Handy what if they like women?
I've got nothing against people who willingly engage in polygamy, Its their choice of life. So criminalizing it is going a bit too far.
On the other hand, the way they are treated in those Mormons family, "Forced" to marry their cousins... have a child every year... Denied medical care unless they are on the verge of death, denying a boy to inherit the majority of his mothers belongings, etc. That is plain disgusting, that should be criminalized for sure.
my man did not just say you "choose" to be gay. Darling, we are not the same
I caught that.☝🏾
I mean it was probably hammered into his head his whole life
😏 What happens if you go to Prison and then start having Gay Butt Sex!? In that Situation would it be accurate to say “you chose to be Gay?”
IJS🤷🏾♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏿♂️
It's absolutely dumbfounding how that guy managed to simultaneously promote Gay Rights and be extremely homophobic in the same sentence.
I was looking for this comment 😭
This is man being the ultimate worst. Males having the ultimate control over women. It's scary how this is not illegal and criminalised. I always thought incest was actually illegal.
It is, but if you don't believe in government, never file a marriage license or have children in a state hospital, you can get away with a lot of shit.
it is, as is the pedophilia, child marriage, and polygamy most of these types of cults practice. they isolate themselves. that’s how they get away with it.
It'll stay this way because it's white ppl who do it ctfu yall are shot the fuck out frfr
Why is that one man gets to marry many other women? And not one woman with many men?
patriarchy
In India there is a group that allows women to have multiple Husbands. A form of polygamy in which a woman takes two or more husbands at the same time. Polyandry is contrasted with polygyny, involving one male and two or more females. If a marriage involves a plural number of "husbands and wives" participants of each gender, then it can be called polyamory,[1] group or conjoint marriage.[2] In its broadest use, polyandry refers to sexual relations with multiple males within marriage.Of the 1,231 societies listed in the 1980 Ethnographic Atlas, 186 were found to be monogamous; 453 had occasional polygyny; 588 had more frequent polygyny; and 4 had polyandry.
The Mormon answer is that men have the priesthood. Women get to heaven through marriage of a godly man. Through that vein, if your husband is ungodly/doesn't pay tithe/etc, the wife still cannot go to heaven. So "godly" men marry many women to "save them"
@TheSecretPassword
That just sounds like "Patriachy" with extra steps. : /
Because then they'd be whores...duh
The comment “just like you chose to be gay”! Just shows me how utterly controlled these victims really are. 😢
“Just like you chose to be gay” bruh...
Mr "Chose to be Gay" is a little bit of a bonehead lol
How much you want to bet that he'll come out of the closet one day
He probably chooses to be gay every couple weeks. Then washes the shame out with the gospel.
YUP!
Mad respect to the young man who had a strong enough will and mind to find his own way in the world. Its not easy, for any of us, but its worth it to find and forge our own path.
He’s now a working as a stock broker making 100k a year!
That guy advocating for polygamy by saying I chose to be a lesbian ruined his own argument. SMH.
Carrie Maxwell let’s hope he continues to grow and question that bullshit.
Lol! Like we choose to be gay!! I know I didn't. He's an idiot.
I came here after reading a book on mormon history and... I'm still in shock. How can people be so messed up? I just wanna give these people a hug. Good on those people for getting out of the cult environment. That's stuff no child should experience. Cult social psychology is terrifying. This video shows nothing though. The depth of the madness is seriously some Quentin Tarantino stuff. We're talking silencing by murder, plenty of all types of abuse, slavery, you name it. Guilt, gaslighting, total mind control, all the worst stuff you'd think of and then some. It's like a mix of 3 things: a church, an incestuous cult, and a ruthless gang. It's absolute madness.