I was a kid when this happened and it was all over the news, I asked my dad what happened and he said "they didn't pay their taxes" , scared me for life.
@@markman6105 If they wanted to arrest them for that or any other reason, they could have arrested the leader whenever they wanted; he routinely went out for jogs or to town for supplies. But nope, they wanted to do a siege and make a statement to play commando. And stockpiling weapons isn't a reason to kill two dozen children. Sounds like the other side deserved to be disarmed.
Yeah, but the cult fired first. If the cult leader was a little bit more adherence to some kind of civility it wouldn’t be the way it end out. Plus, they were trying to rescue the kids. Like many cults, or strong religious law, unfortunately the young kids were being sexually abused or manipulative just like the adults who blindly follows.
You forgot to mention that the ATF could have arrested Koresch in town on numerous occasions after they found out they were stocking up weapons which shouldn’t be illegal for law abiding citizens anyways
@@JasonRector-nd4li Because government cucks are scared of civilians being armed because they know what they are doing is wrong and that armed people can stop it if they want.
It wasn't illegal to stockpile the weapons. It was the type of weaponry they were stock piling that was illegal. But I do agree, they had multiple opportunities to arrest Koresch in town, but I can only assume they were waiting to collect more evidence to convict him since they didn't have anything solid to convict him of child abuse or sexual misconduct.
As someone who lives in a very rural area with a lot of coyotes and rabbits. The sound of a rabbit dying is one of the most disturbing noises you can hear.
@@robashton8606 wako tank flame thrower showes the footage. Its grainy im trying to find the clear footage. PBS did a doc that sows it clearly. I'm no fan of David curesh. According to locals he went to town every Sunday unarmed for coffee. It was a show
@@holdencross5904 yes and no. ATF is still law enforcement which the comment is remarking about. So the point still stands. They’re basically militarized police to deal with “domestic terrorists” but after seeing Waco on the news every year or on documentaries at least it never ceases to boggle my mind how the ATF hasn’t been abolished because they are also the team the shot Randy Weaver’s son and wife killing then, and also shot randy and is his friend who were both later acquitted and sued the Govt and won.
8 years of the nonstop "Trump collusion" delusion and endless investigations only revealed the FBI and CIA for the liars and criminals they are!! The term "swamp" is an understatement!
"there was not one shot fired by any law enforcement" so, that clip from this very video of the ATF mag dumping their pistols & rifles did not actually happen?
He meant initially, I believe. I think he was trying to say ATF did not fire the first shots. He seems like a reasonable guy and I'm quite sure he knows the ATF fired their weapons. But then again who knows.
My dad knew David Koresh, he sold him car parts pretty regularly and helped him work on his trucks. He said going to the compound always gave him the creeps, but he was always paid very well. My dad thought he was a super nice guy, but that he might of gone power hungry with his church.
the ATF was the LAST law enforcement group that could be considered to pull this off. you have to be kidding. they also could have arrested koresh the month before this in town because he was walking around in town unarmed doing his shopping. what a joke.
Yeah it was never about serving a warrant it was about trying to improve their image after Ruby ridge where they killed half a mans family over a short barrel shotgun. The ATF don't know how to stay in their lane and do their jobs there a vid of one ATF agent getting arrested by a street cop because of how suspicious he's acting and won't comply with the cops investigation. It came down to the cop actually tasing the ATF agent to get him to comply. The ATF is an embarrassment.
ATF's codename for the initial raid was "Operation Showtime" because they thought by doing some heavy-duty dick-swinging they could fight back the growing sentiment on Capitol Hill in the wake of Ruby Ridge that they were out of control. Koresh had a cordial relationship with the local ATF agents - who knew that the BDs had an FFL firearms license - and in fact he went shooting with some of his ATF buddies shortly before the raid. ATF agent Robert Rodriguez, who'd been sent undercover to infiltrate the compound, tried to warn his superiors that Koresh had been tipped off about the raid. The Rules Of Engagement specified that the element of surprise was REQUIRED in order to execute the raid, but ATF higher-ups disregarded the RoE. Rodriguez advised that Koresh went jogging outside the compound every morning and that he could've easily been detained without any interaction with the rest of the BDs.
You know what's sad when you try to explain this to someone they'll call you a "cult apologists" it's just really sad especially with photos of atf agents on the top of ruble where there are dead children!!!!
Did anyone catch what he said when senator Cruz questioned him? It seems every time he has a Dr Pepper he remembers his time in central Texas. With a smile on his face.
@@frankierzucekjr 21 children that were not allowed to go to safety by their parents. if their parents cared about them it the slightest, they wouldn't have burned. who's to blame here? the people who shot and killed police?
How about providing some actual evidence instead of dumb anecdotal nonsense? How are so many of you completely brainwashed and on the side of a pedophile cult leader 🤦♂🤦♂
No one wants to show the footage of the tanks ramming the compound which killed people because they were hiding at that place. But honestly, there is no heros in this raid, it was a tragic disaster, the victims were the children and the women who were repeatedly r@ped by their cult members, only to meet a fiery death at hands of a militarised raid.
@@Zg_baNdz There is no such video, all the highest quality videos are released, there high quality press pictures of the tanks from the front, they have bulldozer blades on but there absolutely nothing that hints on there being a flamethrower, unless you can prove otherwise because this myth was literally debunked by third party who actually believed in the claim at first, but went on to disprove it. The flames you see in the picture is when the cult lit the petrol they had spread around the compound to destroy the tanks. The audio tapes recorded inside the compounds are also released, you can literally hear them talk about pouring gasoline. The fire also started predominantly in the second floor, which makes no sense if the tanks were to fire in the first floor why did the flames go to second floor? Thats now how fire works.
@@morriswatkins5667 good to see people with no knowledge of the facts putting their 2 cents in. For such a liberal agenda in this country it sure is pathetic how folks view opinions that differ from their own.
@@burnmhc nobody cares about your looney conspiracies. Kkk scumbag and a twisted cult both got delt with. If your blow hard right wing azz hates our government for doing its job and putting down sickos then move out!
It's complete bullshit I don't even know how vice allowed this interview to happen without getting the facts straight. This whole interview is straight up government 🥾 licking aka not taking any kind of responsibility for what they had started
@@Catscan894 well it's been quite a few years since this happened so there's quite a lot of documentation and files that have been released but recently there is a podcast called The last podcast on the Left episode 133 waco it's a very good in-depth discussion on exactly why the ATF was involved it's a very educational listen
Yeah and it is even better when Rodrigues gets millions of dollars for a settlement that actually proves our own case for negligence and fault: they admitted they lied and we still lost our case and my siblingsx
@@nickreilly7430 yeah they are about 80 percent correct on there podcast. My girlfriend made them all shocked when she saw them at comic con and told them she dates koreshs son.
Some of this doesn’t add up. Why would they have been instructing their members to put on gas masks if they planned to die in a fire they set themselves? Also, there is enormous evidence that tear gas used in building raids, especially with the immense concentration used in this case, are EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE, and the notion that that is not at all related to the fire is highly unlikely.
@@Jack-ok7vq they were. don't make a fool out of uncle sam if you don't want to burn. he could've gone peacefully and been back in 20 years but he got an early ticket to hell
You know that the building was in flames for some time they had ample of time to leave. But they didnt. They chose to follow a guy that called himself 'the chosen one'
I worked with neighbors of the Branch Davidians. When this happened, I asked them what the "CULT" people where like. They said they never cause any trouble and keep to themselves. And this should have never happened, if they wanted Koresh. They could have arrested him on a Friday night in town. He always went to the open jam to play guitar. Janet Reno just wanted to make a name for herself. And unfortunately the children's blood is on her name.
The cult was also amassing large amounts of illegally modified machine guns, illegally handmade grenades, and there were accusations of child molestation. they were also illegally in possession of .50 caliber Barret rifles. ATF had to go to the compound and perform a raid for the firearms and for the safety of the children. Koresh was having sex with fourteen-year-old girls. He had convinced his followers that he was the second coming of Christ, and that they needed to arm themselves to the teeth because the government was coming for them and it was going to end bloody and firey. People inside the compound started the fires, there are recordings of people inside saying things about pouring fuel and the tear gas was non-incendiary. I'm not saying that they did everything perfectly because they definitely did not. But public safety was in danger and Koresh was a manipulative piece of garbage.
AG Reno assumed her position AFTER the initial raid. It was ATF leadership, who were concerned about losing funding or even their existence in the wake of the Ruby Ridge standoff, that sought out a target to reclaim credibility and basically survive as an agency. The codename for the raid was "Operation Showtime". The Rules Of Engagement specified that ATF needed the element of surprise in order to overwhelm the BDs and take Koresh into custody without incident. But their undercover man Robert Rodriguez was at the compound when Koresh was tipped by a mailman member of the sect who'd given directions to a TV cameraman who'd gotten lost looking for Mt. Carmel. Rodriguez desperately tried to warn ATF higher-ups that the element of surprise was lost and that attempting to execute the raid could lead to a bloodbath (which it did with ultimately 4 agents and 6 BDs dead). Reno approved the Day 51 assault but she was lied to about "child abuse" and an initial plan to release CS Gas (banned by Geneva Convention) slowly to convince the BDs to come out. No evidence of child abuse that would stand up in court was ever discovered (that doesn't mean it didn't happen) and the alpha-males of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team decided to dump the CS gas into the compound as quickly as possible. Numerous engagements prior to Waco followed a pattern: standoff - CS gas - fire - death, but FBI had NO contingency plans for the possibility that Mt. Carmel - a ramshackle building basically built out of plywood - could catch on fire. I'm no fan of Reno by a longshot but her only sin here was to gladly devour the bullsh!t she was fed by the HRT. One wonders if the "Day 51" that stands alongside December 7th and September 11th as an American tragedy would have transpired had not the AG nomination by President Clinton of Zoë Baird not been sabotaged by the sitting Senate Judiciary Chairman, a gentleman named Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
The ATF needed a reason to justify their existence. Congress was about to shut them down after Ruby Ridge. A local mail man filed a report that he found a grenade in a shipment going to the Branch Davidians. Instead of going through the legal system the government treated American citizens as terrorists.
It was about Fund Raising for the ATF. Their funding was up for debate in Congress and it wasn't looking good for them. They needed a big, public score to assure their funding. Thats why the newspapers already had the story AS it was happening, and ATF showed up with cameras.
They never had to raid the Compound to get David. David went on a walk at the same time every morning, on the exact same route. They could have arrested him at any time
Yup. Remember that at the time there was talk in Congress about disbanding the ATF, merging it with FBI. In middle of all of that, ATF decides to do this high profile raid to justify their existence. They could have arrested Koresh quietly outside of the compound instead of raiding it. But the ATF wanted to create a show.
All of this could have been avoided if the ATF had just arrested Koresh on one of his daily jogs outside the property or his weekly trips to Walmart. The ATF wanted to make a statement and get more funding. The ATF actually had three video cameras filming the entire raid start to finish but lo and behold lost all three video tapes and the two front 8’ doors which would have proved the bullet holes were fired into the home by ATF not outside the home.
@@PickledKong64 he made a lot of offers.. surrender, salvation... He was a liar and his offers went unsubstantiated whenever he was given an opportunity to fulfill them.
@@remedial-ontology lol you did not watch or even research this at all. Keep bootlicking the government who will turn on you and hates you. unless you are an FBI glowie shill.
@@PickledKong64 I admit, I'm no expert on this situation or police negotiation procedures.. even the negotiator mentioned that there was no real precedent wherein he was trained. It also seems plausible that the heavy-handed initial encounter was a dangerous miscalculation, and a low profile arrest may have been possible. I understand there was a legal warrant for his arrest based upon real concern for the warfare of those within the community. I think how group was willing and prepared to respond with such force is a testament of the degree to which their leader had dissociated them from their surroundings, which justifies their classification as a dangerous cult. He used his own children to shield himself and, for me, the tragedy of that incident lies with the zealot and his acolytes. If I'm naive, try to help me understand what I'm missing here.
As a teen when this happened, I remember reading our local paper the Sunday of the raid and being amazed that there was an article about the Dividians while the events unfolded on tv too! After lunch the day of the fire I was on my way to the school library where I had a class and met one of the librarians who was crying and went in and watched the events unfold. From day one to days end, I was glued like many. Later I would met some children who were released and just interacting with them you could still see trauma in their faces and behaviors! So many were impacted and I will forever pray for those who still struggle!
Oh man what a great teacher! I was in 6th grade on 9/11 and walked into the art class and she had the TV on and we were just watching and I saw the second plane hit live and me and my 6th grade friends were like yo where's the f****** Air Force?
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489the AF? Try, AmalgamVirgo dry-run before that day. It all smells from the first “never could have imagined”… a phrase you’ll never trust again.
For this man to claim “not one shot was fired” by law enforcement is a blatant lie. They were firing on that compound relentlessly. It’s all on infra red video from a surveillance plane. It clearly shows the gun shot flashes from near the tanks and it showed how they were still shooting even after the building was engulfed in flames. They murdered those people to make a statement. They had many opportunities to arrest Koresh because he went outside the compound jogging almost every morning.
The infared on the tanks was was the davidians shooting the Tanks, and the reason there was "shooting" after the fire was ammunition cook off. It's already been debunked.
That is not accurate. Experts on top of experts have went through the footage many times and all come to the same conclusion. Its just not possible to truly see who shot first. One piece of footage shows the ATF taking what appears to be the first shots. They say they were shooting at people pointing assault rifles at them. Other pieces of footage show the Branch Davidians blatantly firing the first shots. Stop defending a cult that allowed a sick vile man sleep with their wives and preteen daughters. They all chose to be there.
@@BamaChad-W4CHD I’m not defending either side. I’m about the truth. Both sides did not handle this situation correctly. David should’ve kept his word and surrendered after they played his speech like he said he would and nobody would’ve died and the government should’ve arrested David long before the standoff ever developed considering he walked outside the compound every day. They had multiple opportunities to get him on illegal weapons charges but for the government to say they didn’t fire a single shot, that is BS
@@devinw5150 I think it's more than a possibility that he simply misspoke. He just had to tell a story about the event that haunts him, he teared up when he talked about those kids. What he probably meant by "the law enforcement didn't fire", was that the law enforcement didn't fire first. Or unprovoked. Or at all while the fire was raging, when they were not fired upon- that one in direct response to some claims that the agents just murdered the people in the fire. They were returning fire, they were the ones who tried to save those kids. They upheld negotiations for 50 days despite law enforcement casualties which usually act as a death warrant for the perpetrators.
“Those 21 kids we saved have been brainwashed by propaganda”. Fam, those kids lost parents, siblings, relatives....how are the supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say “thank you for tear gassing my family, which led to their building catching fire!!” I feel for this man....but sir, you lost the LEAST in this situation and those survivors have every right to question your agency’s tacts. People want you to think that “being a good person” should cover up bad decisions.
Of course the children will be on Davids side. Its easy to manipulate children especially if youre a cult leader. A lot of people wont admit that theres plenty of folks who shouldnt be near children.
Honestly, yes, we ALL feel sorry for the innocent lives lost. Why do so many people have to point out how sorry they are for something so obvious, and then add NOTHING interesting or valuable to the conversation afterwards?
Also to add to your points, tear gas cannisters are combustible and should never have been forced into that building . I don't believe for one second that the people inside spread any acceleration fluid anywhere . If they wanted to kill themselves they would have selected a different way other than burning themselves to death . This video is another example of how law enforcement will always protect its own .
@@SAJuk-lb4dh The NY Times did ask the FBI about that the day after. Their statement said that the tear gas was pumped into the holes and tear gas grenades were not used. But even then, the CS gas in tear gas can be flammable when it has the right balance with oxygen. If it caught fire, it would have easily caught fire to the hay bails and spread. Also, if you are going to sacrifice yourself and burn down your own building with yourself inside then why start the fire right in front of the tank that is pumping tear gas right into your face?
@@SalilingAway Ya don't use phycological warfare tanks and war criminals to break them. The lack of FBI, ATF, and political competence made the situation unworkable. Also don't gas children with possibly lethal amounts. "On 28 September 2000, Prof. Dr. Uwe Heinrich released a study commissioned by John C. Danforth, of the United States Office of Special Counsel, to investigate the use of CS by the FBI at the Branch Davidians' Mount Carmel compound. He said no human deaths had been reported, but concluded that the lethality of CS used would have been determined mainly by two factors: whether gas masks were used and whether the occupants were trapped in a room. He suggests that if no gas masks were used and the occupants were trapped, then, "there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects".
@@37thousand Missing the footage of the ATF opening up on the people inside and starting this who stuff. Also missed the APCs rolling in like this was handled by the FSB. Cu lt is bad but ATF is far worse.
When you are planning suicide you make sure the fbi uses tanks to make a fire break from the helicopter easily seen... you have to destroy evidence and plant other evidence; and then you get zero restitution or retribution and they actually are so full of resentment in spite of never serving their warrant and the clear initial shots being meant to assassinate my father when he came out unarmed to plead with them to ease back their aggression, but again as he said, when you come with guns pointed at my family.... bullets passed through from above... I’m sorry but it is true. Their testimony is meaningless
We had an incident awhile back in the fingerlakes region of N.Y. where the local cops had a standoff with a guy who had a warrant for a TRAFFIC VIOLATION- the poor guy didn't even resist, he was scared to death. The cops had one of those homeland security- funded SWAT tanks, they drove it THROUGH the guy's house, he committed suicide. Supposedly shot himself with his handgun. His wife was in the house when this happened.
I’m from Ithaca and I drew this parallel also! Over use of militant force on US citizens is far to common no matter the scale. The incident that you speak of was completely avoidable.
@@h3ctor272 Man driven to suicide through the disproportionate use of force from law enforcement driving an armored vehicle through civilian property. But yeah, fixate on the small detail of it not being a tank.
if they had microphones put inside, did they not have them recording what was being said? If so, why did we not hear the taped order to spread gas, but we have to take some guys word and screen captions of who he is?
@ in 1993, public polling found 76% blamed the church and 12% blamed fed. Regarding how it was handled, it was split 41% positively, 40% negatively. I don't know where you're getting this narrative that everyone was outraged.
Exactly. I've heard all the tapes they allowed out. None of them mention the spreading of an accelerant. This guy spins a nice twisted web. You'd think his conscience would allow him to tell the truth at the end of his life but nope, lied until the very end.
Koresh went out to town regularly and could have been arrested without involving any of the people who followed him. This entire event was created by the overly aggressive actions of the ATF and FBI and the flammable gas cartridges that were used in the end were the final nail in the coffins. I don’t know how the agents, and this guy, live with their actions.
@@PSVBerlin did you see them knock at the door? No, they showed up in full armor and loaded for combat, trying to break into the building without any attempt to peacefully arrest Koresh.
Don’t forget they posed with the charred bodies. One of those who did pose with the bodies is being nominated to head the ATF. Remember to keep your rifle by your side
Jesus christ man quit fucking larping. Youd die of a heart attack from all those hamburgers as soon as they kicked down the door. Plus, drones don't care about your AR15s
These guys showed up guns blazing and demanded that the branch davidians leave their home. At the end, they started demolishing the place with everyone still inside and started gassing them, and were somehow confused about why people wouldn't leave.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 I didn't say "nobody would leave" some did, but there were people who wouldn't leave. Which I think is an understandable stance to take. This could've all been avoided if they'd just arrested David the normal way.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 It took less than an hour between the fire starting and the compound being leveled. When the fire services arrive, they aren't allowed entry, so nobody in the compound can receive any assistance. They have to get themselves out. You're physically and mentally exhausted, malnourished, parts of your building have been collapsed by tanks, you've spent the past *6 hours* being tear gassed and now your building is on fire. Many have family and children in the building, so they may not immediately be rational enough to prioritise getting themselves out first and leaving everyone else behind. Smoke inhalation disorients you, and can knock you out and kill you within minutes. The people who escaped that building were lucky to have done so. Many didn't have the chance.
@@garrettsherer6602 initiating a raid on a well known target without all branches being made aware of said raid until after 4 agents are dead probably isn't the best strategy of making an arrest Also the FBI were the ones on the child molestation cases. ATF were just there on weapon modification charges, so the guys that started this weren't doing it to stop the pedo's to begin with Your argument is even more redundant and pointless than the guy that replied to you even though it was
Because this is only one perspective and it certainly doesn’t give the most accurate picture of what went down, although I understand that probably nobody will ever know exactly minute-by-minute what happened.
We also have to remember that it’s the FBI, and not only is the FBI imperfect, but they have an agenda to keep power and ensure that the public respects that power. I don’t support everything the Branch Davidians were doing, but what the FBI and the ATF did was horrendous.
@@maudepinterest5673 You don't have to support him to know that the ATF was committing multiple crimes, including illegal attempts of arms confiscation, lying about a meth lab and child abuse in order to get military equipment, they lied under oath about the use of pyrotechnic CS gas canisters. The government incinerated dozens of people.
@@SausageDong What’d he do to deserve being treated like a saint like his sycophants act like? He may have wanted to protect his people but at the same time they also kind of put themselves into that situation in the first place. You casually stockpile more weapons than Jim Jones had in a compound with over 100 people and expect the feds not to come sniffing around? He also got into a gunfight years earlier and for some reason got away with it and he refused to learn from that mistake and didn’t bother with lying low for a while, let alone actually dropping his gun obsession. Arresting Koresh outside wouldn’t have solved the weapons issue they were there for. It might’ve helped but they would’ve still had to go there eventually. Their approach was arrogant but it’s clear that the Davidians were preparing for a last stand.
@@navaryn2938 it is against the geneva convention to do to soldiers what the govt did to babies........and that gas was intended to be used outside.......never in any buildings
FBI agent: “yeah I was there since the raid so I know the whole story” Same FBI agent: “so I get a call telling me there’s been a raid and I need to go there” And the FBI wonders why we can’t trust a single one of them.
I've been in the field of law enforcement for past 15 years or so. So, initially when I saw this video I thought I was gonna be biased somehow in favor of law enforcement. I wasn't there, nor have I done extensive research on this incident, but one thing that really caught my attention almost at the end of this video. This was when the interviewee said that not "single agent or law enforcement officer fired a shot". Well, if you look closely at the video there's actually a time where an agent, amongst many others, is firing indiscriminately towards the building; to the point where his handgun locks back due to it being empty after firing all the rounds. So this brings me to some important questions. If they couldn't identify a target accurately, they knew that there were innocent civilians and children inside the building, why were they firing at the building nonstop for extended periods of time? I think this incident depicts one of the most common flaws in law enforcement. Which is the ego factor amongst command staff. Theoretically of course.. There's a famous saying in law enforcement that states: "too many chiefs, not enough Indians". I think this might have been their biggest downfall. Again, I'm not an expert to the matter and this is my personal opinion based on all the videos I've watched regarding the subject matter. Very sad story, a very dark day for law enforcement and everybody else. I hope everyone learned something from this.
There were congressional hearings and other fact producing sources when this thing happened, all those facts disappeared when the government final report was released
@CSSFMS Sorry, but people inside the building did not have access to 70 caliber bullets. They did not start firing back at ATF agents until after 911 told them they could not communicate with ATF, and could not get them to stop firing. people in building were simply trying to protect themselves and their children. The ATF handed the whole mess to the FBI to clean up, which they did, getting rid of evidence and witnesses. So if the FBI did not shoot at these people during the final assault on the building, who shot the 20 people the coroner had found shot to death?
@CSSFMS The Branch Davidians had a morning routine. There were husbands/fathers living in the house, and every morning, a number of them would climb into cars and drive to jobs in the surrounding community. One morning, they did this, and shortly after leaving, the ATF quickly surrounded their home. David Koresh was standing in the front door of the house, talking to an ATF agent, when a group of agents at the rear of the house stumbled on the area where families in the house were keeping their dogs. Those agents started shooting the dogs. Agents at the front of the house hearing gunfire, assumed they were being shot at by people in the house, started shooting back. Agents in a helicopter, hovering over the house, hearing gunfire, assumed agents on the ground were under attack, started shooting blindly at the roof. Among the initial victims was a young mom in an upstairs bedroom, nursing her baby, and an elderly man sitting on the edge of his bed, and David Koresh.. A call was placed to 911 to try and get ATF to stop shooting. When this was unsuccessful, and a young boy running screaming through the house was killed by a bullet coming though a wall of the house, people in the house got guns and started shooting back to try and DEFEND themselves
@@chulian1819 Yup, literally back off and don't open up on children creating a massive siege where you have to call in APCs to tear the place down and burn it too the ground ... it's pretty easy tbh. Now could I be as good as an actual hostage negotiator (at which point non of those people were hostages except say the children who the ATF/FBI gave zero cares about lol).
@@desertedgoatgaming your completely delusional they were using the kids as leverage to avoid a full assault and paid the price. if you attack the cops you deserve every bullet you get. call me a boot licker i don't care but people of waco got what they deserved
It’s always interesting hearing an event from the side of the law enforcement. Every single time it is far from what we observed and conclude on our own...
what you conclude after watching a conspiracy theory doc like "waco rules of engagement"? What you 'observed and concluded' isn't based on first hand knowledge of the situation, his is.
Those people were being controlled by a delusional sociopath. Please don’t defend them. Your wrong, the government won’t do that to just any family. This was a horrible situation and ended poorly because of a very sick man.
@Tristan Mulvihill you’re kissing ass to a government agency that has been nothing but tyrannical and inflammatory since it’s inception and you look like just as big of a fool as you should.
What I get out of this is an old FBI guy trying like hell to absolve/separate himself from the events at Waco. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone else there that “followed orders”.
What the Feds did was repulsive but… suspected these guys were manipulative? There is so so much interlinking corroborative evidence showing the adults molested and to a degree enslaved these children….. these men were not “suspected manipulators,” they were fucking pedophiles and manipulators. End of story.
@Ross- A -Roni That the feds massacred women and children just to get to David when they could've arrested him on the numerous occasions that he left the compound.
@Ross- A -Roni the "child molester" narrative didn't start until after BATFE botched their raid if that was the case local law enforcement would have arrested him and not gone in guns blazing and killed everyone.
I used to work with a guy who was in the compound during the siege. His name is David Thibodeau. The ATF didn't know they had a secret tunnel out. He was in his 20's and was one of the 2 guys that would use the tunnel to go resupply throughout the siege. So, the siege wouldn't work because they were able to get supplies anyway. The tunnel came out in a neighboring sympathetic farmer's land and they had a car parked over there. So, he would run and get groceries and diapers and formula and such. That's the only reason he wasn't killed. He was out getting groceries that morning. Here's my thought: they all probably could have escaped, except that the ATF fulfilled their prophecy. They prophesied that the devil and his demons would come for them and surround their compound, which they called Mt. Carmel. That's why they had all the guns in the first place. So, they had been preparing for exactly what came to pass. The devil murdered every one who was still in there.
@@PlanetRockJesus That's my memory of David T's first hand account to me in 1999. We worked together at a place called Sunset Direct and hung out a bit. Thanks for piping in by adding zero value to this or any other conversation.
@@PlanetRockJesus Also, the compound predates David Koresh. My family is from Hewitt Texas. I remember driving around the area as a kid in ~ 1980 and my parents talking about a doomsday cult that lived there who believe that the second coming of Jesus would occur on that spot. I figure David Koresh took advantage of that situation and claimed he was the reincarnation they'd been waiting for.
The lead FBI negotiator, Gary Noesner, was a lot less "forgiving" of the government's response at Waco. Koresh and the Davidians don't get a pass in his perspective but the absolute refusal to back off or back down to de-escalate was nothing more than the government (from the AG on down) making sure it is not perceived as weak or afraid of its own citizens.
Yes. This was never about saving lives, because some old guys from the government weirdly got the idea this should become a giant d*ck measuring contest and so they decided to put their pride and feelings above the value of 90 human lives. All of this is summarized in stuff like randomly driving over koresh's car with a tank or demolishing the building. How did that help anyone?
Kids couldn't leave because the tanks collapsed the entrance to the bunker they were hiding at. Some of the burnt corpses were found near the collapsed entrance, suggesting they tried to get them out.
I’m a dumb guy, and I totally feel for this guy because I’ve seen him in earlier documentaries crying. But also couldn’t they have backed off and arrested him later? If they like REALLY wanted those kids not to die
@@knottsscary David Koresh was shot in the stomach on the first day of the siege, his baby son was killed. There's a video of the BD's done by themselves on March 8th, dated which they sent to the FBI showing them talking rationally saying any one of them may leave whenever, Koresh meanwhile is flummoxed on the floor trying to stay positive but he (inadvertently) shows his stomach wounds, he's weak, in tremendous pain, pale & looks as though he's dying. There's also an extant tape of Steve Schneider talking to the FBI who tell him flat hallway through the siege, that anyone who leaves Mount Carmel from then on will be shot. You go to Hell.....
@@reggaemarley4617they didn't want to leave. They were being forced out of their homes so one man could be arrested on bullshit charges. They weren't able to leave later on because the impression left by the FBI was that anyone caught outside would be shot dead by the federal snipers outside. Waco was proof that the ATF and FBI will gladly play the part of death squad.
Because they needed a big media spectacle so they could get a bigger budget they even called the media and told them when the raid was going to take place
Exactly, they could have done this more peacefully but the ATF was already under pressure due to Ruby Ridge. This was their ticket to reclaim their reputation and it backfired badly. They were ready to be the "heroes" again but they highly underestimated Koresh. Koresh was stockpiling no doubt but because he knew he needed to especially after ruby ridge
@@itzcapondabeat I got into it with a boot licking coworker once over this define "stockpiling" and the statute that says it was illegal because none of the davidians weapons were illegal if they were we would have seen them in detail and the texas rangers would have been allowed to examine them when they requested to instead they were told the recovered weapons couldn't be found
Federal agents dropped the ball at the administrative level. Field agents told them the situation, but were ignored. Local law enforcement tried to intervene, but were stymied. Hundreds more would perish at the federal building in OKC as retaliation. The whole affair is a tragic loss of life. Just to save face.
I’m sure those field agents were heartbroken as they stood over the charred remains of their victims and smiled while taking pictures like some kind of fucked-up big game hunter who uses flamethrowers.
You mean the same field agents that, while during the night, would shine huge searchlights in the windows to keep them all awake and blast the sounds of rabbits dying and dolphins noises over distorted music through loud speakers as a form of psychological torture? The same field agents that, for years, lied about using pyrotechnics and explosives during the siege? That claimed the CS gas used wasn't flammable when it 100% was flammable and most likely what started the fire that killed them all?
facepalm.... more idiots. CS gas is not flammable. We know it isnt flammable because it is used with explosive cannisters. If it were flammable you wouldnt release it with an explosive cannister. The cannisters can start a fire because they explode as a way to vaporize and spread the CS gas but the gas itself IS NOT flammable.
@@cloudkap Eric you working for the Feds. I dont know many Conservatives that support the ATF Maybe thats one thing we can all get behind. Defund and end this pointless organizing "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms". Is such a organization actually needed in 2021?
This man's cognitive dissonance regarding this situation is absurd. He says seek out the truth, yet believes the "truth" he was spoon fed by the agencies involved and just sticks to that story because it allows him to feel better about the actions taken (including his own responsibility in the situation), rather than try and objectively approach the whole tragedy with any kind of point of view that relates to the those that died that day... RIP to all who lost their lives. Such a shame to have so much unnecessary bloodshed. Carry peace and love in your hearts everyone.
this is what should happen to all cults. they started it government agents ended it. it's just a pity they allow religious cults to exist, like the three main religious cults of christianity judasim and islam. we'd be much better off if all cults where removed
@@chadmartin3271 Yes, and replace it with your worldly, materialist cult of secularism that oppresses man as surely and as viciously as the others. We see through your lies, commie.
@@CavalierHorseman91 not sure how secularism has oppressed man, don't think secularism has been a force of suppression, censorship, and cronyism for the last 1000 years like religion has. Unless I'm just misremembering indulgences, crusades, the reformation, the inquisitions, y'know... Or like the multiple people who have been executed because they found out something different from the bible?
@@chuckmangione4382 considering everyone was there of their own will, he may have been manipulative, but under Texas law at the time he was in the right
I noticed that. Law enforcement doesn't like large gatherings of people be it demonstrations, sporting events, concerts, church. A local church gets a crowd of roughly 700+ every Sunday and I always see 2 police cars circling it from time to time but just when church is in session. Any other time they don't even bother to drive down the same road.
He must have meant no shots were fired by LE after the cease fire , he said there was a gunfight to begin with, would be too dumb of a lie to claim LE didn't return fire when they're getting shot by 40 fucking aks.
They could have picked this guy up countless times without any shots or deaths but the ATF and FBI wanted to flex their muscles and show who was in charge. This guy is FOS.
This happened 28 years ago & I was 28 yo, watched this play out daily on the tv. Koresh was not dealing with a full deck, he was already paranoid. Ruby Ridge only the year before, another botched FBI raid. Janet Reno the AG at the time was full of her power and position, mishandled is putting it lightly, what she did. 2 years later in 1995, was the Oklahoma City bombing. It is 2021 and our government is still not admitting how badly they handled this. The grandfather's in history of what created our current alt-right movement. I now know how Alice felt behind that looking glass ;)
Ruby ridge was the "don't tread on me moment" that David Koresh probably made up his mind that if they (fbi/atf) did attempt to tread on them with force, that force would be matched. Sending tank rounds through windows...... probably wasn't anything anybody imagined inside that compound. And in the end those children were the collateral damage that makes this even more of a sham.
“I’m not in the business of failing” I’m in the business of ruining lives. Government always has a reason to bust down your door. Don’t forget, Ruby ridge.
There's a great book by Gary Noesner who pretty much created the concept of hostage and crisis negotiations. He was also the lead negotiator during the Waco siege and there's a long chapter about his experiences. Great audiobook that's read by Gary.
The ATF and FBI shot first, they did shoot through the roof, they destroyed evidence and knowingly set the compound on fire. Lon Horiuchi was an ATF sniper on both Waco and Ruby Ridge. He's the one who murdered Vicky Weaver. He immediately rebarrel his rifle following the fiasco so that the ballistics couldn't match his shots to avoid jailtime.
@@filthycasual8074 No but its fact that he Shot her in the face while holding her baby and claimed he thought it was a weapon. 200 yards through a high powered scope even a blind man can tell the difference between a baby and a weapon, unless he thought the baby was the weapon. Sick murdering fk! Then the next day the negotiators asked Randy Weaver; “Hey Randy, what’s Vicki gonna make You for Breakfast” Sadistic Killers with the full backing of the US Government.
This guy Koresh was known to go to town on a regular basis. If these clowns had been more discreet, they could have picked him up in town and avoided this whole mess. This was all about government show time. This was not like the MOVE siege in Philadelphia because in Philadelphia, the people living aorund the MOVE compound had repeatedly complained to City Council about that group. The Branch Davidians didn't bother the neighbors. Jonestown should have been a heads up for the Feds. And of course part two of this drama was Oklahoma City.
“There was not one shot fired by the Bureau, law enforcement or ninja outfits…” At the 5:15 mark in this very video there are numerous ATF agents engaging the compound with gun fire. I’m a soldier, I understand firing in self defense or undertaking capture/kill operations. But if the statement is made “There was not one shot fired…” than that’s what that must mean. There’s very clear video of shots being fired by federal agents so what does that say for the truthfulness of anything this man is saying. This was either very poor editing or deceit. As much as I’d like to believe this guy, he seems to be authentically sad about the loss of life, I’m not convinced based on the many shots fired by those he claims didn’t fire a single shot.
Those people were murdered. Children too. I was in Vietnam. Ranger. My unit was ambushed by VC. All 30 killed except me. I still have metal plate in the head and knee. Yeah we killed women and children. I had PTSD was suicidal. I found Jesus. Now peacefully retired. I know I'm going to Hell when I die.
@@dontrump9769 If it's any consolation, hell doesn't exists, neither does heaven. I've literally died in 3 separate occasions. Everything just turns black and you are no more, I went into surgery one time and was put out with anesthesia or w/e and it was exactly like when I had died. Just nothingness buddy so no worries.
@@duhyathink422 "wasn't your choice" lol Sure. Flash news, Vietnamese people didn't have choice because you invaded their country, US citizens had plenty of choice, including not killing innocent women and children ffs. Sorry to break it to you, if your dad killed innocent people, he went to hell too. Deal with it. And F** your service, if your "service" includes killing women and children or unarmed people
@@duhyathink422 No one said you did, I'm talking about your father. "didn’t kill anyone that wasn’t trying too kill him" No s**t, could it be that he was getting shot at because he was invading that man's country?? Stop justifying murder. Your father was US citizen and nothing to do with Vietnam but he went there anyway. And killed Vietnamese people in Vietnam. "but they were shooting at us" is same weak ass argument murderers in Iraq used. I hope you wont have a nice day and remember those who lost their lives because of your murderer father
yes bro because owning many many deadly weapons in a single COMPOUND for no apparent good is definitely not worrying whatsoever for an agency whose purpose is to literally watch for that behavior and therefore protect the public yes bro
The compound was definitely up to some weird stuff, but the way that the ATF stormed in there with knockoff military tactics was what caused all the the deaths.
@StrategicPrepper Because having an armed cult stockpiling weapons being lead by some guy with a messiah complex and a pedophile is somehow not troubling at all. Not like the last time that happened you had everyone in the cult force their children to ingest cyanide. The Feds are dipshits, but saying the cult members were innocent civilians is a stretch.
The math of firearms to people was about 5 a person. Less than the average person has in the entire South/ midwest/ and northwest. All of the firearms could've been completely legal had one of the cult members obtained a FFA license.(a couple hundred bucks back then) The warrent that got them in the door was essentially over a 200 dollar violation. There were ofcourse suspicions of other wrong doing. However their wasn't near enough REAL evidence for the warrant. This was all just a media frenzy that made the ATF the night in shining armors. Which in turn stopped the ATF from losing its solidarity and beoming diluted into a side department of the FBI.
lol everybody does there thing in private but it none of anybodys business unless there planning to do harm, thats the social agreement in the modern day
they forgot to mention that those holes they poked were used to pump tear gas into the building which is also flammable and the fire started shortly after they did that.
Tear gas is not flammable, while Tear gas grenades could ignite a flame due to the heat necessary change the solid compound into a gas and burst the shell. Using a CS(Tear gas) generator seen on the tanks eliminates that possibility since it creates the gas before entering the hose. A quick search can show the Fire Diamond of the compounds currently in use, all current Tear Gases are label 1 (Materials that require considerable preheating, under all ambient temperature conditions, before ignition and combustion can occur)
@@CraftyxCrafty They claimed they didn't use anything, but investigators found pyrotechnic CS gas canisters in the rubble. The feds already knew about the flammable and toxic nature of the CS gas going back 20 years prior to this incident.
@@CraftyxCrafty lol gregory spoke for me....so take your worthless knowledge of the situation and shove it up your small intestines ......took janet reno how many years to admit csx was used??? and it took a documentary team walking the ground to find and deliver the evidence
"Throughout history, we’ve seen how easily people can be turned against each other, labeling those who think or believe differently as enemies. But the true enemy is not diversity; it is the justification of violence and cruelty. Our humanity lies in unity and the protection of all, not in division and destruction. Open your heart: when we choose separation over understanding, we lose what makes us human. A world without division is one where goodness and compassion prevail."
@@xxprotosssloverxx yes.....the ATF has said that they used incendiary tear gas cannisters in this siege. The Thuggernaut is correct. He is also correct about the propaganda. VICE doesn't release anything unless it's packed with some form of propaganda. They are the "mazters" of it as its also usuly quite comical and so.etumes annoying. We will never know the truth about Waco. It's been so so manipulated and contrived to present the narrative society now accepts.
I love how this guy acts like we don’t have more information now then we did when it happened. The only reason the public sees this different then when it first happened, is because we have all the information. I’ll give them a 3/10 and the points are all for effort. Burning it down was on purpose
@@hughmungus2023 He didn't say FBI he said "WE" that's terribly vague and can easily be interpreted as referring to one side of the conflict, The government agency. Who were working together at that moment. The FBI was involved the entire time, AND THEN took over the crime scene once the entire place was burned to the ground. Do you really think it was all ATF agents and ONE lone FBI negotiator. I really had to cover my face with my palm and sigh heavily.
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when are tanks coming to california
I was a kid when this happened and it was all over the news, I asked my dad what happened and he said "they didn't pay their taxes" , scared me for life.
Not gonna lie I would be scared too 🤭
uncle sam doesn't play when it comes to his yearly check
He probably didn’t want to tell you what happened it would’ve scared you the. Probably
@@kodiak3995 he could have just told him they were stockpiling illegal weapons cause that’s what the ATF suspected they were doing
@@markman6105 If they wanted to arrest them for that or any other reason, they could have arrested the leader whenever they wanted; he routinely went out for jogs or to town for supplies. But nope, they wanted to do a siege and make a statement to play commando. And stockpiling weapons isn't a reason to kill two dozen children. Sounds like the other side deserved to be disarmed.
"No shots were fired by government agents."
Repeatedly shows agents firing on the compound.
fbi agents or atf agents? He specifically referred to the bureau
@@HxCWW He said "by the bureau or by any other law enforcement or ninja outfit"
@J. FK yeah screw this guy
Yeah, but the cult fired first. If the cult leader was a little bit more adherence to some kind of civility it wouldn’t be the way it end out. Plus, they were trying to rescue the kids. Like many cults, or strong religious law, unfortunately the young kids were being sexually abused or manipulative just like the adults who blindly follows.
@@CristoSaves so burn them alive right?
Fun fact: Rainbow 6 replicated this siege with the Map Oregon.
I was just thinking that after seeing that house
:O damn you’re right
they say it’s not based on anything but it’s totally obvious. that’s my favorite map too
ah, its just like the simulations!
Which game? First one?
You forgot to mention that the ATF could have arrested Koresch in town on numerous occasions after they found out they were stocking up weapons which shouldn’t be illegal for law abiding citizens anyways
why is it illegal to stock pile weapons?
@@JasonRector-nd4lihe said it shouldn't be
@@JasonRector-nd4li Because government cucks are scared of civilians being armed because they know what they are doing is wrong and that armed people can stop it if they want.
You can’t have fully automatic weapons nor grenades numbnuts
It wasn't illegal to stockpile the weapons. It was the type of weaponry they were stock piling that was illegal. But I do agree, they had multiple opportunities to arrest Koresch in town, but I can only assume they were waiting to collect more evidence to convict him since they didn't have anything solid to convict him of child abuse or sexual misconduct.
You forgot the part where they used psychological warfare and played sounds of rabbits being slaughtered
As someone who lives in a very rural area with a lot of coyotes and rabbits. The sound of a rabbit dying is one of the most disturbing noises you can hear.
@@NiteCreature666 care to explain a bit more about that day? or your background
@@NiteCreature666 thank you for commenting and giving some input.
@@NiteCreature666 And now you just upload diablo gameplay? How old are you?
@@NiteCreature666 what’s your friends name who made it out?
"Not a single shot was fired from the bureau or any other goverment agency" yet shows a line of 10 guys shooting at the house
Vice has become garbage but this story is bad even for them. It's like their scripts are being written directly by the FEDS now.
@@acetate909 I'm shocked at what kind of stuff they put out these days, they forgot to put ''Feds did nothing wrong'' in the description.
That tank they show has flame thrower on it. The clip before that edit shows the tank blasting flames in structure. Starting fire. Vice edited it out.
@@marcvince1261 Flame thrower? No, mate. I've seen the footage you're referring to, and that wasn't a flamethrower.
@@robashton8606 wako tank flame thrower showes the footage. Its grainy im trying to find the clear footage. PBS did a doc that sows it clearly. I'm no fan of David curesh. According to locals he went to town every Sunday unarmed for coffee. It was a show
Once again, we asked law enforcement if law enforcement did something wrong and law enforcement concluded law enforcement is innocent
ATF is different from your police, no?
Funny how that works, ain't it?
Yeah anyone who believes this guy is stupid comply or die
Yep just look at our government today. Nothing has changed except people know.
@@holdencross5904 yes and no. ATF is still law enforcement which the comment is remarking about. So the point still stands. They’re basically militarized police to deal with “domestic terrorists” but after seeing Waco on the news every year or on documentaries at least it never ceases to boggle my mind how the ATF hasn’t been abolished because they are also the team the shot Randy Weaver’s son and wife killing then, and also shot randy and is his friend who were both later acquitted and sued the Govt and won.
An FBI agent calling someone a liar is fucking hilarious.
Cause se**ually ab*sing children definitely makes you a teller of truth.
this guy is full of BS... rewriting history
Cult apologist.
Agreed
8 years of the nonstop "Trump collusion" delusion and endless investigations only revealed the FBI and CIA for the liars and criminals they are!! The term "swamp" is an understatement!
I'm sure one of the main FBI agents at the scene is bound to give us an unbiased recollection of the events.
Your watching this on vice since when has unbiased views been a problem for you?
@@loganberry7754 what are you on about? who said I supported the rest of Vice's videos?
@@winnengel6774 he's on about projecting on to others.
@@bostondangler134 still dangling i see. Will the bean ever be free of your vicious dangling attacks?
The should’ve interviewed the Davidians.
"there was not one shot fired by any law enforcement"
so, that clip from this very video of the ATF mag dumping their pistols & rifles did not actually happen?
they say that because they can't give less fucks what you think or know.
He meant initially, I believe. I think he was trying to say ATF did not fire the first shots. He seems like a reasonable guy and I'm quite sure he knows the ATF fired their weapons. But then again who knows.
I believe he was saying the FBI fired no shots. The raid was conducted by the ATF. Kind of double speak but that's what he meant.
@@kali6651 the atf not firing first is irrelevant
@@jeremy0440 Did I ever say it was? I was simply trying to recount what the man meant.
My dad knew David Koresh, he sold him car parts pretty regularly and helped him work on his trucks. He said going to the compound always gave him the creeps, but he was always paid very well. My dad thought he was a super nice guy, but that he might of gone power hungry with his church.
Seems like your dad had pretty good instinct.
So what is that a good reason to kill them
He was a psychopath.
A child molesting psychopath
MIGHT HAVE gone power hungry...?
the ATF was the LAST law enforcement group that could be considered to pull this off. you have to be kidding. they also could have arrested koresh the month before this in town because he was walking around in town unarmed doing his shopping. what a joke.
Yeah it was never about serving a warrant it was about trying to improve their image after Ruby ridge where they killed half a mans family over a short barrel shotgun. The ATF don't know how to stay in their lane and do their jobs there a vid of one ATF agent getting arrested by a street cop because of how suspicious he's acting and won't comply with the cops investigation. It came down to the cop actually tasing the ATF agent to get him to comply. The ATF is an embarrassment.
ATF's codename for the initial raid was "Operation Showtime" because they thought by doing some heavy-duty dick-swinging they could fight back the growing sentiment on Capitol Hill in the wake of Ruby Ridge that they were out of control. Koresh had a cordial relationship with the local ATF agents - who knew that the BDs had an FFL firearms license - and in fact he went shooting with some of his ATF buddies shortly before the raid. ATF agent Robert Rodriguez, who'd been sent undercover to infiltrate the compound, tried to warn his superiors that Koresh had been tipped off about the raid. The Rules Of Engagement specified that the element of surprise was REQUIRED in order to execute the raid, but ATF higher-ups disregarded the RoE. Rodriguez advised that Koresh went jogging outside the compound every morning and that he could've easily been detained without any interaction with the rest of the BDs.
The ATF has no constitutional standing as a separate agency.
You know what's sad when you try to explain this to someone they'll call you a "cult apologists" it's just really sad especially with photos of atf agents on the top of ruble where there are dead children!!!!
And now an ATF agent that was there who took pictures infront of the ashes is the head of the ATF.
Terrible. Just terrible.
Not just yet. He has to be voted on by the senate. We can stop the nomination.
@@seibertsmiths We need to get that murderer out.
Yes and can't give the definition of an "assault weapon"
You know what's typical of the biden administration
Did anyone catch what he said when senator Cruz questioned him? It seems every time he has a Dr Pepper he remembers his time in central Texas. With a smile on his face.
When's he gonna mention the photos the FBI snipers of themselves as "trophies" took over the ashes of the building and burnt body's...
One of the guys who took one of those trophy pics is now the director of the ATF - David Chipman.
Yeah or the fact there’s more substantial evidence showing that the tear gas caused the fire, something the feds had well documented.
I would. definitely nice to have a little piece of the cult leaders skull to remember
@@filthycasual8074 what about the 21 children that were murdered
@@frankierzucekjr 21 children that were not allowed to go to safety by their parents. if their parents cared about them it the slightest, they wouldn't have burned. who's to blame here? the people who shot and killed police?
The irony of an FBI negotiator calling somebody else manipulative... 😅😂
nah it just shows how big of a lier someone is
You’re confusing negotiator with interrogator dipshit
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Are you suggesting they shouldn't have tried to negotiate a release of kids from a psychotic gun fetishist? 🙄 lawd
What’s funny is that no one wants to show the live television footage that people remember witnessing of these tanks shootings flames at the compound.
How about providing some actual evidence instead of dumb anecdotal nonsense? How are so many of you completely brainwashed and on the side of a pedophile cult leader 🤦♂🤦♂
Yes!!❤
No one wants to show the footage of the tanks ramming the compound which killed people because they were hiding at that place.
But honestly, there is no heros in this raid, it was a tragic disaster, the victims were the children and the women who were repeatedly r@ped by their cult members, only to meet a fiery death at hands of a militarised raid.
There is another video explaining and showing a tank shooting fire as it exists the compound. For those who think want to know.
@@Zg_baNdz
There is no such video, all the highest quality videos are released, there high quality press pictures of the tanks from the front, they have bulldozer blades on but there absolutely nothing that hints on there being a flamethrower, unless you can prove otherwise because this myth was literally debunked by third party who actually believed in the claim at first, but went on to disprove it.
The flames you see in the picture is when the cult lit the petrol they had spread around the compound to destroy the tanks.
The audio tapes recorded inside the compounds are also released, you can literally hear them talk about pouring gasoline. The fire also started predominantly in the second floor, which makes no sense if the tanks were to fire in the first floor why did the flames go to second floor? Thats now how fire works.
Now tell us how good of a job they did at ruby ridge too
Right wing terrorist died. They did great
@@anatomicallycorrectmuppets8180 Glad to see you're open minded
A sick cult got cooked who cares get over it
@@morriswatkins5667 good to see people with no knowledge of the facts putting their 2 cents in. For such a liberal agenda in this country it sure is pathetic how folks view opinions that differ from their own.
@@burnmhc nobody cares about your looney conspiracies. Kkk scumbag and a twisted cult both got delt with. If your blow hard right wing azz hates our government for doing its job and putting down sickos then move out!
“Hi im from the FBI” “im here to tell you the FBI ATF did nothing wrong”
It's complete bullshit I don't even know how vice allowed this interview to happen without getting the facts straight. This whole interview is straight up government 🥾 licking aka not taking any kind of responsibility for what they had started
@@Catscan894 well it's been quite a few years since this happened so there's quite a lot of documentation and files that have been released but recently there is a podcast called The last podcast on the Left episode 133 waco it's a very good in-depth discussion on exactly why the ATF was involved it's a very educational listen
Yeah and it is even better when Rodrigues gets millions of dollars for a settlement that actually proves our own case for negligence and fault: they admitted they lied and we still lost our case and my siblingsx
@@nickreilly7430 yeah they are about 80 percent correct on there podcast. My girlfriend made them all shocked when she saw them at comic con and told them she dates koreshs son.
It was the ATF I. The wrong not the fbi
Some of this doesn’t add up. Why would they have been instructing their members to put on gas masks if they planned to die in a fire they set themselves? Also, there is enormous evidence that tear gas used in building raids, especially with the immense concentration used in this case, are EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE, and the notion that that is not at all related to the fire is highly unlikely.
Same with Chris Dorner... I guess an actual attempt to arrest David would ended up even more tragically...🤔
I'd love to see Vice do a story on Ruby Ridge and say that the FBI were innocent
@@Jack-ok7vq they were. don't make a fool out of uncle sam if you don't want to burn. he could've gone peacefully and been back in 20 years but he got an early ticket to hell
@@filthycasual8074 they also killed his dog and a sniper from the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team shot and killed his wife.
You know that the building was in flames for some time they had ample of time to leave. But they didnt. They chose to follow a guy that called himself 'the chosen one'
I worked with neighbors of the Branch Davidians. When this happened, I asked them what the "CULT" people where like. They said they never cause any trouble and keep to themselves. And this should have never happened, if they wanted Koresh. They could have arrested him on a Friday night in town. He always went to the open jam to play guitar. Janet Reno just wanted to make a name for herself. And unfortunately the children's blood is on her name.
The cult was also amassing large amounts of illegally modified machine guns, illegally handmade grenades, and there were accusations of child molestation. they were also illegally in possession of .50 caliber Barret rifles. ATF had to go to the compound and perform a raid for the firearms and for the safety of the children. Koresh was having sex with fourteen-year-old girls. He had convinced his followers that he was the second coming of Christ, and that they needed to arm themselves to the teeth because the government was coming for them and it was going to end bloody and firey. People inside the compound started the fires, there are recordings of people inside saying things about pouring fuel and the tear gas was non-incendiary. I'm not saying that they did everything perfectly because they definitely did not. But public safety was in danger and Koresh was a manipulative piece of garbage.
AG Reno assumed her position AFTER the initial raid. It was ATF leadership, who were concerned about losing funding or even their existence in the wake of the Ruby Ridge standoff, that sought out a target to reclaim credibility and basically survive as an agency. The codename for the raid was "Operation Showtime". The Rules Of Engagement specified that ATF needed the element of surprise in order to overwhelm the BDs and take Koresh into custody without incident. But their undercover man Robert Rodriguez was at the compound when Koresh was tipped by a mailman member of the sect who'd given directions to a TV cameraman who'd gotten lost looking for Mt. Carmel. Rodriguez desperately tried to warn ATF higher-ups that the element of surprise was lost and that attempting to execute the raid could lead to a bloodbath (which it did with ultimately 4 agents and 6 BDs dead).
Reno approved the Day 51 assault but she was lied to about "child abuse" and an initial plan to release CS Gas (banned by Geneva Convention) slowly to convince the BDs to come out. No evidence of child abuse that would stand up in court was ever discovered (that doesn't mean it didn't happen) and the alpha-males of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team decided to dump the CS gas into the compound as quickly as possible. Numerous engagements prior to Waco followed a pattern: standoff - CS gas - fire - death, but FBI had NO contingency plans for the possibility that Mt. Carmel - a ramshackle building basically built out of plywood - could catch on fire.
I'm no fan of Reno by a longshot but her only sin here was to gladly devour the bullsh!t she was fed by the HRT.
One wonders if the "Day 51" that stands alongside December 7th and September 11th as an American tragedy would have transpired had not the AG nomination by President Clinton of Zoë Baird not been sabotaged by the sitting Senate Judiciary Chairman, a gentleman named Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Gov never cares. They’ve never learn. I don’t know how these ppl sleep at night.
The ATF needed a reason to justify their existence. Congress was about to shut them down after Ruby Ridge. A local mail man filed a report that he found a grenade in a shipment going to the Branch Davidians. Instead of going through the legal system the government treated American citizens as terrorists.
It was about Fund Raising for the ATF. Their funding was up for debate in Congress and it wasn't looking good for them. They needed a big, public score to assure their funding. Thats why the newspapers already had the story AS it was happening, and ATF showed up with cameras.
They never had to raid the Compound to get David. David went on a walk at the same time every morning, on the exact same route. They could have arrested him at any time
Why does that not surprise me.
Yup. Remember that at the time there was talk in Congress about disbanding the ATF, merging it with FBI. In middle of all of that, ATF decides to do this high profile raid to justify their existence.
They could have arrested Koresh quietly outside of the compound instead of raiding it. But the ATF wanted to create a show.
@@M1911jln I didn't know that. Then the FBI still got involved after it started, though.
They still would have had to raid the compound tho
@@TheCTBrotherhood Eventually but, they could of handled it better they would have still had to raid but, maybe arrest David then try to raid
I remember being a child watching this having no idea what was actually going on.
Yes same here
Also same
And little has changed in28 years.
I cant believe this led all the way to OKC bombing, which I still think was a huge explosion
Same. I’m 38 now.
All of this could have been avoided if the ATF had just arrested Koresh on one of his daily jogs outside the property or his weekly trips to Walmart. The ATF wanted to make a statement and get more funding. The ATF actually had three video cameras filming the entire raid start to finish but lo and behold lost all three video tapes and the two front 8’ doors which would have proved the bullet holes were fired into the home by ATF not outside the home.
can you cite your source ? bc everyone in the comments keep repeating the same thing Id like to know where this information came from
Did you know that David actually invited the ATF to search his property? He was a bad man but he offered to go peacefully.
@@PickledKong64 he made a lot of offers..
surrender, salvation... He was a liar and his offers went unsubstantiated whenever he was given an opportunity to fulfill them.
@@remedial-ontology lol you did not watch or even research this at all. Keep bootlicking the government who will turn on you and hates you. unless you are an FBI glowie shill.
@@PickledKong64 I admit, I'm no expert on this situation or police negotiation procedures.. even the negotiator mentioned that there was no real precedent wherein he was trained. It also seems plausible that the heavy-handed initial encounter was a dangerous miscalculation, and a low profile arrest may have been possible. I understand there was a legal warrant for his arrest based upon real concern for the warfare of those within the community. I think how group was willing and prepared to respond with such force is a testament of the degree to which their leader had dissociated them from their surroundings, which justifies their classification as a dangerous cult. He used his own children to shield himself and, for me, the tragedy of that incident lies with the zealot and his acolytes. If I'm naive, try to help me understand what I'm missing here.
A major part left out of this was the fact that they had a FFL (the federal license required to manufacture all those weapons).
And yellow sheets for all of them
There were about 8 major things they left out. That’s vice for ya, biased ‘journalism’
Link?
I can find no information anywhere suggesting they had proper licenses, or "Yellow sheets". If you could provide that, it would be helpful.
As a teen when this happened, I remember reading our local paper the Sunday of the raid and being amazed that there was an article about the Dividians while the events unfolded on tv too! After lunch the day of the fire I was on my way to the school library where I had a class and met one of the librarians who was crying and went in and watched the events unfold. From day one to days end, I was glued like many. Later I would met some children who were released and just interacting with them you could still see trauma in their faces and behaviors! So many were impacted and I will forever pray for those who still struggle!
Are you saying the trauma from the Dividians or from the FBI ripping them from their parents?
Oh man what a great teacher! I was in 6th grade on 9/11 and walked into the art class and she had the TV on and we were just watching and I saw the second plane hit live and me and my 6th grade friends were like yo where's the f****** Air Force?
They probably were molested.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489 *where the f*** is airforce..." seems like you didn't study hard in your 6th grade.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489the AF? Try, AmalgamVirgo dry-run before that day. It all smells from the first “never could have imagined”… a phrase you’ll never trust again.
For this man to claim “not one shot was fired” by law enforcement is a blatant lie. They were firing on that compound relentlessly. It’s all on infra red video from a surveillance plane. It clearly shows the gun shot flashes from near the tanks and it showed how they were still shooting even after the building was engulfed in flames. They murdered those people to make a statement. They had many opportunities to arrest Koresh because he went outside the compound jogging almost every morning.
He most likely meant that the conspiracy theory of agents being inside the compound as false actors and shooting at the real agents
The infared on the tanks was was the davidians shooting the Tanks, and the reason there was "shooting" after the fire was ammunition cook off. It's already been debunked.
That is not accurate. Experts on top of experts have went through the footage many times and all come to the same conclusion. Its just not possible to truly see who shot first. One piece of footage shows the ATF taking what appears to be the first shots. They say they were shooting at people pointing assault rifles at them. Other pieces of footage show the Branch Davidians blatantly firing the first shots. Stop defending a cult that allowed a sick vile man sleep with their wives and preteen daughters. They all chose to be there.
@@BamaChad-W4CHD I’m not defending either side. I’m about the truth. Both sides did not handle this situation correctly. David should’ve kept his word and surrendered after they played his speech like he said he would and nobody would’ve died and the government should’ve arrested David long before the standoff ever developed considering he walked outside the compound every day. They had multiple opportunities to get him on illegal weapons charges but for the government to say they didn’t fire a single shot, that is BS
@@devinw5150 I think it's more than a possibility that he simply misspoke. He just had to tell a story about the event that haunts him, he teared up when he talked about those kids.
What he probably meant by "the law enforcement didn't fire", was that the law enforcement didn't fire first. Or unprovoked. Or at all while the fire was raging, when they were not fired upon- that one in direct response to some claims that the agents just murdered the people in the fire.
They were returning fire, they were the ones who tried to save those kids. They upheld negotiations for 50 days despite law enforcement casualties which usually act as a death warrant for the perpetrators.
“Those 21 kids we saved have been brainwashed by propaganda”. Fam, those kids lost parents, siblings, relatives....how are the supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say “thank you for tear gassing my family, which led to their building catching fire!!” I feel for this man....but sir, you lost the LEAST in this situation and those survivors have every right to question your agency’s tacts. People want you to think that “being a good person” should cover up bad decisions.
If my family would be that dumb to be in some fucking cult I would rather be orphan.
Of course the children will be on Davids side. Its easy to manipulate children especially if youre a cult leader. A lot of people wont admit that theres plenty of folks who shouldnt be near children.
@@realitywave The Davidians started that fire.
@@realitywave Also how many mass murders were caused by religion? Too many to count.
@@bdups1683 Unfortunately, you're right.
"Spread the fuel."
"But... But..... We didn't light it. The government did!"
I remember watching this on TV as it was happening. I feel so sorry for the innocent people especially the children.
They were all innocent. The ATF snuck onto their property in an illegal act and start killing people without announcing their presence.
Feds did it
Honestly, yes, we ALL feel sorry for the innocent lives lost. Why do so many people have to point out how sorry they are for something so obvious, and then add NOTHING interesting or valuable to the conversation afterwards?
koresh did it, wake up.@@greenghost5009
@@LymbicSystemuwudid someone piss in your cereal?😭😭 so angry for what
Love how he says the holes made by the tanks were for a "means to exit". No. The holes were to administer the tear gas.
and the tear gas is used to forced people out. idiot
@@unclejohnsvlogs He made it sound like they were used as rams, i don't think they literally shot holes into the building
Also to add to your points, tear gas cannisters are combustible and should never have been forced into that building . I don't believe for one second that the people inside spread any acceleration fluid anywhere . If they wanted to kill themselves they would have selected a different way other than burning themselves to death .
This video is another example of how law enforcement will always protect its own .
@@SAJuk-lb4dh The NY Times did ask the FBI about that the day after. Their statement said that the tear gas was pumped into the holes and tear gas grenades were not used. But even then, the CS gas in tear gas can be flammable when it has the right balance with oxygen. If it caught fire, it would have easily caught fire to the hay bails and spread. Also, if you are going to sacrifice yourself and burn down your own building with yourself inside then why start the fire right in front of the tank that is pumping tear gas right into your face?
They were both
"Yeah, I care about kids"
*Casually throws tear gas at them*
>we know kids cant wear gas masks
pumps compound full of gas for a hole day
why they didn't release the kids and women they where using then as shield they *itches
@@jamaica8769 Not that much of a shield if you massacre them all. also they knew kids can't wear gas masks and they pumped gallons of gas in there.
Do you have a suggestion on what to do instead?
Bc if I got it right they used the tear Gas on Day 50 or 51.
@@SalilingAway Ya don't use phycological warfare tanks and war criminals to break them. The lack of FBI, ATF, and political competence made the situation unworkable.
Also don't gas children with possibly lethal amounts.
"On 28 September 2000, Prof. Dr. Uwe Heinrich released a study commissioned by John C. Danforth, of the United States Office of Special Counsel, to investigate the use of CS by the FBI at the Branch Davidians' Mount Carmel compound. He said no human deaths had been reported, but concluded that the lethality of CS used would have been determined mainly by two factors: whether gas masks were used and whether the occupants were trapped in a room. He suggests that if no gas masks were used and the occupants were trapped, then, "there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects".
Yeah imma take this with a massive grain of salt.
Why? Can you elaborate?
@@NosillaWilla april fools
The footage is right there dumbasses , lol nobody is messing with you
More like a fuckin mountain...
@@37thousand Missing the footage of the ATF opening up on the people inside and starting this who stuff. Also missed the APCs rolling in like this was handled by the FSB. Cu lt is bad but ATF is far worse.
“Not sure if they were forced to stay inside” 1 min later “they chose to die in that house” lmao
Crazy how there’s multiple comments pointing out different contradictions like this
When you are planning suicide you make sure the fbi uses tanks to make a fire break from the helicopter easily seen... you have to destroy evidence and plant other evidence; and then you get zero restitution or retribution and they actually are so full of resentment in spite of never serving their warrant and the clear initial shots being meant to assassinate my father when he came out unarmed to plead with them to ease back their aggression, but again as he said, when you come with guns pointed at my family.... bullets passed through from above... I’m sorry but it is true. Their testimony is meaningless
No, he said the adults either elected to stay or were forced.
@@glossygloss472 that’s the point. Then after he says that, he says it was their choice 😂
@@glossygloss472 he has lied endlessly
We had an incident awhile back in the fingerlakes region of N.Y. where the local cops had a standoff with a guy who had a warrant for a TRAFFIC VIOLATION- the poor guy didn't even resist, he was scared to death. The cops had one of those homeland security- funded SWAT tanks, they drove it THROUGH the guy's house, he committed suicide. Supposedly shot himself with his handgun. His wife was in the house when this happened.
I’m from Ithaca and I drew this parallel also! Over use of militant force on US citizens is far to common no matter the scale. The incident that you speak of was completely avoidable.
Australian law enforcement are now carrying machine guns whilst patrolling a quiet shopping mall in a city that's pretty safe ! .
Those aren't tanks lol. Did it fire huge explosive shells?
@@h3ctor272 Man driven to suicide through the disproportionate use of force from law enforcement driving an armored vehicle through civilian property. But yeah, fixate on the small detail of it not being a tank.
US Dept of Prosecution doesn’t give no shits.
Nothing is more dangerous than a violation of mallum prohibitia
if they had microphones put inside, did they not have them recording what was being said?
If so, why did we not hear the taped order to spread gas, but we have to take some guys word and screen captions of who he is?
@ Don't forget they killed the son as well.
@@Manny-nm8dh and his dog
@ in 1993, public polling found 76% blamed the church and 12% blamed fed. Regarding how it was handled, it was split 41% positively, 40% negatively. I don't know where you're getting this narrative that everyone was outraged.
Exactly. I've heard all the tapes they allowed out. None of them mention the spreading of an accelerant. This guy spins a nice twisted web. You'd think his conscience would allow him to tell the truth at the end of his life but nope, lied until the very end.
Because God
The fact that none of the F.L.I.R. video was shown here automatically renders the entire interview essentially worthless.
Perfect to release this on April Fool's Day.
Bruh
@@mohmadhafiz1675 woah...
Yeah the ATF is the biggest joke america has ever produced
@@thejudge8691 well said
xD ahhaha BRUV!
Koresh went out to town regularly and could have been arrested without involving any of the people who followed him. This entire event was created by the overly aggressive actions of the ATF and FBI and the flammable gas cartridges that were used in the end were the final nail in the coffins. I don’t know how the agents, and this guy, live with their actions.
Bullshit
@@bthanb1223 care to elaborate?
@@bthanb1223 it's "bullshit" if you believe and trust the government. Which, trusting the government is just stupid.
They were there with a arrest and search warrant, makes sense to knock at the door
@@PSVBerlin did you see them knock at the door? No, they showed up in full armor and loaded for combat, trying to break into the building without any attempt to peacefully arrest Koresh.
Don’t forget they posed with the charred bodies. One of those who did pose with the bodies is being nominated to head the ATF. Remember to keep your rifle by your side
everyone involved got promoted..........can anyone remind me what chuck schummer had to do with this please
Jesus christ man quit fucking larping. Youd die of a heart attack from all those hamburgers as soon as they kicked down the door. Plus, drones don't care about your AR15s
@@lc9072 i guess you wanna live forever......aint you a boring waste of a body
Yeah because keeping a rifle by your side will definitely stop the government if they really want you dead. Keep the fear mongering going.
I’ve seen tons of footage of people posing by photos of beheaded people. Posing by dead bodies is nothing new.
This old man realized his career was a failure
These guys showed up guns blazing and demanded that the branch davidians leave their home.
At the end, they started demolishing the place with everyone still inside and started gassing them, and were somehow confused about why people wouldn't leave.
But people did leave havent you seen the video. There is blame on both sides.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 I didn't say "nobody would leave" some did, but there were people who wouldn't leave. Which I think is an understandable stance to take. This could've all been avoided if they'd just arrested David the normal way.
@@CryptP yeah true but still it was their choice to stay in the house when it was on fire. They made no attempt to leave at any moment.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 It took less than an hour between the fire starting and the compound being leveled. When the fire services arrive, they aren't allowed entry, so nobody in the compound can receive any assistance. They have to get themselves out. You're physically and mentally exhausted, malnourished, parts of your building have been collapsed by tanks, you've spent the past *6 hours* being tear gassed and now your building is on fire. Many have family and children in the building, so they may not immediately be rational enough to prioritise getting themselves out first and leaving everyone else behind. Smoke inhalation disorients you, and can knock you out and kill you within minutes. The people who escaped that building were lucky to have done so. Many didn't have the chance.
@@CryptP fair point
Great job ATF, you really achieved something at Waco. You should really be proud of yourselves🙄
🤨
Helped stop a child sex ring? You support pedos?
@@garrettsherer6602 by burning children alive ? Yea bud try arguing
@@garrettsherer6602 initiating a raid on a well known target without all branches being made aware of said raid until after 4 agents are dead probably isn't the best strategy of making an arrest
Also the FBI were the ones on the child molestation cases. ATF were just there on weapon modification charges, so the guys that started this weren't doing it to stop the pedo's to begin with
Your argument is even more redundant and pointless than the guy that replied to you even though it was
@@garrettsherer6602 When? When was there a child sex ring at Waco?
Taking this interview with a BIG grain of salt.
Why?
Because this is only one perspective and it certainly doesn’t give the most accurate picture of what went down, although I understand that probably nobody will ever know exactly minute-by-minute what happened.
We also have to remember that it’s the FBI, and not only is the FBI imperfect, but they have an agenda to keep power and ensure that the public respects that power. I don’t support everything the Branch Davidians were doing, but what the FBI and the ATF did was horrendous.
What do you support about what David was doing?
@@maudepinterest5673
You don't have to support him to know that the ATF was committing multiple crimes, including illegal attempts of arms confiscation, lying about a meth lab and child abuse in order to get military equipment, they lied under oath about the use of pyrotechnic CS gas canisters. The government incinerated dozens of people.
As a former 11M Bradley Driver/Gunner. The Bradley is mad up of a magnesium composite. That's why it was sparking when it was hit.
Let’s hear the tapes
Im sure you could do a foia request pay 500 dollars and get them in a few years
Land of the elite home of the brave if your not rich your not free lmao
Huh
@@lilfeen4214 take it word by word
I guarantee the tapes were recorded over.
now, why is there footage all over the internet showing the tank blowing fire into the building.
This guy is b.s. Whatever makes him feel better, I guess.
“You point a gun at my wife I’ll meet you at the door anyway” -Koreshhhhh
Wives*
@@TranceF0rmation lmao
Lmao He Said Say My Name Like It's Your Last Breath He Kold AF
@@livvlivetv7662 naw he's dead and killed the kids with him but keep glorifying a mad man
@@SausageDong What’d he do to deserve being treated like a saint like his sycophants act like? He may have wanted to protect his people but at the same time they also kind of put themselves into that situation in the first place. You casually stockpile more weapons than Jim Jones had in a compound with over 100 people and expect the feds not to come sniffing around? He also got into a gunfight years earlier and for some reason got away with it and he refused to learn from that mistake and didn’t bother with lying low for a while, let alone actually dropping his gun obsession. Arresting Koresh outside wouldn’t have solved the weapons issue they were there for. It might’ve helped but they would’ve still had to go there eventually. Their approach was arrogant but it’s clear that the Davidians were preparing for a last stand.
After knowing the full story and all of the evidence it makes me lose faith in any government agencies and any law enforcement
“I’m not in the business of failure.”
-Everyone who’s in denial about their failure
Before that he literally said the he failed
I mean - I think he obviously meant that as the reasoning why the said failure was hitting him hard.
It’s funny how he said Steve Schinder said “pour the fuel” but we can’t listen to the recording of him saying that🤔
In the Netflix documentary it can be heard
Spread the fuel! Where’s this audio at? Never released huh?
The sheer amount of gas they pumped into the complex was flammable
@@navaryn2938 it is against the geneva convention to do to soldiers what the govt did to babies........and that gas was intended to be used outside.......never in any buildings
FBI agent: “yeah I was there since the raid so I know the whole story”
Same FBI agent: “so I get a call telling me there’s been a raid and I need to go there”
And the FBI wonders why we can’t trust a single one of them.
I've been in the field of law enforcement for past 15 years or so. So, initially when I saw this video I thought I was gonna be biased somehow in favor of law enforcement. I wasn't there, nor have I done extensive research on this incident, but one thing that really caught my attention almost at the end of this video.
This was when the interviewee said that not "single agent or law enforcement officer fired a shot". Well, if you look closely at the video there's actually a time where an agent, amongst many others, is firing indiscriminately towards the building; to the point where his handgun locks back due to it being empty after firing all the rounds. So this brings me to some important questions. If they couldn't identify a target accurately, they knew that there were innocent civilians and children inside the building, why were they firing at the building nonstop for extended periods of time? I think this incident depicts one of the most common flaws in law enforcement. Which is the ego factor amongst command staff. Theoretically of course..
There's a famous saying in law enforcement that states: "too many chiefs, not enough Indians". I think this might have been their biggest downfall.
Again, I'm not an expert to the matter and this is my personal opinion based on all the videos I've watched regarding the subject matter. Very sad story, a very dark day for law enforcement and everybody else. I hope everyone learned something from this.
Great post! 👍
There were congressional hearings and other fact producing sources when this thing happened, all those facts disappeared when the government final report was released
@CSSFMS Sorry, but people inside the building did not have access to 70 caliber bullets. They did not start firing back at ATF agents until after 911 told them they could not communicate with ATF, and could not get them to stop firing. people in building were simply trying to protect themselves and their children. The ATF handed the whole mess to the FBI to clean up, which they did, getting rid of evidence and witnesses. So if the FBI did not shoot at these people during the final assault on the building, who shot the 20 people the coroner had found shot to death?
@CSSFMS The Branch Davidians had a morning routine. There were husbands/fathers living in the house, and every morning, a number of them would climb into cars and drive to jobs in the surrounding community. One morning, they did this, and shortly after leaving, the ATF quickly surrounded their home. David Koresh was standing in the front door of the house, talking to an ATF agent, when a group of agents at the rear of the house stumbled on the area where families in the house were keeping their dogs. Those agents started shooting the dogs. Agents at the front of the house hearing gunfire, assumed they were being shot at by people in the house, started shooting back. Agents in a helicopter, hovering over the house, hearing gunfire, assumed agents on the ground were under attack, started shooting blindly at the roof. Among the initial victims was a young mom in an upstairs bedroom, nursing her baby, and an elderly man sitting on the edge of his bed, and David Koresh.. A call was placed to 911 to try and get ATF to stop shooting. When this was unsuccessful, and a young boy running screaming through the house was killed by a bullet coming though a wall of the house, people in the house got guns and started shooting back to try and DEFEND themselves
This is in the 90's law enforment has became more reasponsible now than what they were back then although a little bit
Edit: and more organized
30 years later and law enforcement still thinks they didn't overreach.
The kind of people who seek enforcement jobs are all too often psychopaths who seek a protected and "legitimized" outlet to hurt people.
“We began to poke hole in a means to give them a way out” proceeds to poke hole in edge of roof and second floor.
The Coward turned off the mic to avoid hearing the children scream being burned alive.
He should have said its the most horific crime seen Ive ever perpetrated.
ye I bet you can do a better job as a hostage negotiator.........
@@chulian1819 Yup, literally back off and don't open up on children creating a massive siege where you have to call in APCs to tear the place down and burn it too the ground ... it's pretty easy tbh. Now could I be as good as an actual hostage negotiator (at which point non of those people were hostages except say the children who the ATF/FBI gave zero cares about lol).
@@chulian1819 were they hostages? Or victims? Im going with victims. Victims of being burned alive.
@@desertedgoatgaming your completely delusional they were using the kids as leverage to avoid a full assault and paid the price. if you attack the cops you deserve every bullet you get. call me a boot licker i don't care but people of waco got what they deserved
@@hahalife3508they knew what they were doing. they asked to be burned alive
It’s always interesting hearing an event from the side of the law enforcement. Every single time it is far from what we observed and conclude on our own...
Someones lying and it aint our eyes
100%
Facts
what you conclude after watching a conspiracy theory doc like "waco rules of engagement"? What you 'observed and concluded' isn't based on first hand knowledge of the situation, his is.
HIS tory
Any government agency will do this to you or your family if it suits their needs, without hesitation. Remember that.
Kinda interesting in the time we are in now.
Those people were being controlled by a delusional sociopath. Please don’t defend them. Your wrong, the government won’t do that to just any family. This was a horrible situation and ended poorly because of a very sick man.
@@mattlombardi54 your refusal to accept any of the atfs role in this shows you are not well read on the topic, or are being intentionally ignorant.
@Tristan Mulvihill you’re kissing ass to a government agency that has been nothing but tyrannical and inflammatory since it’s inception and you look like just as big of a fool as you should.
@@mattlombardi54 Ah yes, saving children from sociopaths by massacring them.
What I get out of this is an old FBI guy trying like hell to absolve/separate himself from the events at Waco. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone else there that “followed orders”.
"We suspected that these guys were manipulative so we burned children alive"
What the Feds did was repulsive but… suspected these guys were manipulative? There is so so much interlinking corroborative evidence showing the adults molested and to a degree enslaved these children….. these men were not “suspected manipulators,” they were fucking pedophiles and manipulators. End of story.
@@kbbl102.5 really showed those pedophiles by suffocating and burning their victims alive and posing with their dead bodies lmao
@@kbbl102.5 Ok, yeah. Sure.
I assume this is an April fools joke. All right guys... you got me. How about a follow up with what really went down?
This is the only reasonable explanation
@Ross- A -Roni That the feds massacred women and children just to get to David when they could've arrested him on the numerous occasions that he left the compound.
The sole reason they made this was to legitimize Biden's ATF pick AKA: the man in charge at Waco...
@@zsl1256 they just love guys that “get the job done” it’s not a concerted effort...
@Ross- A -Roni the "child molester" narrative didn't start until after BATFE botched their raid if that was the case local law enforcement would have arrested him and not gone in guns blazing and killed everyone.
They could have apprehended David when he was in town by himself, traffic stop. Instead the ATF burned a bunch of people to death
Part of the plan.
Including babies and small children!
dident that group set it on fire?
@@m.m9769 Was gonna ask that too
They never had the intention of taking anyone alive.
I used to work with a guy who was in the compound during the siege. His name is David Thibodeau.
The ATF didn't know they had a secret tunnel out. He was in his 20's and was one of the 2 guys that would use the tunnel to go resupply throughout the siege. So, the siege wouldn't work because they were able to get supplies anyway. The tunnel came out in a neighboring sympathetic farmer's land and they had a car parked over there. So, he would run and get groceries and diapers and formula and such.
That's the only reason he wasn't killed. He was out getting groceries that morning.
Here's my thought: they all probably could have escaped, except that the ATF fulfilled their prophecy. They prophesied that the devil and his demons would come for them and surround their compound, which they called Mt. Carmel. That's why they had all the guns in the first place. So, they had been preparing for exactly what came to pass.
The devil murdered every one who was still in there.
Sounds like some "my cousin's friend's sister said" BS mixed with evangelist lunacy.
@@ZANcomix Pretty much
There was no tunnel. You're a liar.
@@PlanetRockJesus That's my memory of David T's first hand account to me in 1999. We worked together at a place called Sunset Direct and hung out a bit. Thanks for piping in by adding zero value to this or any other conversation.
@@PlanetRockJesus Also, the compound predates David Koresh. My family is from Hewitt Texas. I remember driving around the area as a kid in ~ 1980 and my parents talking about a doomsday cult that lived there who believe that the second coming of Jesus would occur on that spot. I figure David Koresh took advantage of that situation and claimed he was the reincarnation they'd been waiting for.
The lead FBI negotiator, Gary Noesner, was a lot less "forgiving" of the government's response at Waco. Koresh and the Davidians don't get a pass in his perspective but the absolute refusal to back off or back down to de-escalate was nothing more than the government (from the AG on down) making sure it is not perceived as weak or afraid of its own citizens.
Exactly
Yes. This was never about saving lives, because some old guys from the government weirdly got the idea this should become a giant d*ck measuring contest and so they decided to put their pride and feelings above the value of 90 human lives.
All of this is summarized in stuff like randomly driving over koresh's car with a tank or demolishing the building.
How did that help anyone?
Fast forward to the Iraqi Invasion with Bush Jr's.. "Collateral Damage"
My dad worked for WFAA and was there for the whole thing. The stories he told were wild and tragic.
@@sjb3460 that’s not what CS gas is like. It actually affects your breathing more than burning. I’ve experienced it, many a time.
@@sjb3460well done bro.
The situation that you're describing is absolutely true.
Hillary killary gave the order.
Not Janet Reno.
Kids couldn't leave because the tanks collapsed the entrance to the bunker they were hiding at. Some of the burnt corpses were found near the collapsed entrance, suggesting they tried to get them out.
"Spread the Fuel" never came out in the congressional hearings
I’m a dumb guy, and I totally feel for this guy because I’ve seen him in earlier documentaries crying. But also couldn’t they have backed off and arrested him later? If they like REALLY wanted those kids not to die
you make a good point but this guy had 51 days and still didn't let kids come out so i'm not sure how you can see him as a good guy
@@knottsscary David Koresh was shot in the stomach on the first day of the siege, his baby son was killed. There's a video of the BD's done by themselves on March 8th, dated which they sent to the FBI showing them talking rationally saying any one of them may leave whenever, Koresh meanwhile is flummoxed on the floor trying to stay positive but he (inadvertently) shows his stomach wounds, he's weak, in tremendous pain, pale & looks as though he's dying. There's also an extant tape of Steve Schneider talking to the FBI who tell him flat hallway through the siege, that anyone who leaves Mount Carmel from then on will be shot. You go to Hell.....
@@Alkymick1 They let 29 children leave the complex. If others wanted to leave as well why didn't they go with the children?
@@knottsscaryyou're completely uninformed
@@reggaemarley4617they didn't want to leave. They were being forced out of their homes so one man could be arrested on bullshit charges. They weren't able to leave later on because the impression left by the FBI was that anyone caught outside would be shot dead by the federal snipers outside.
Waco was proof that the ATF and FBI will gladly play the part of death squad.
"We're from the government, we're here to help you."
Yeah sure ....🇺🇲
The 8 scariest words in the english language
I'm confused why did they pull up with an army when they could have literally stopped the one dude with one squad car as he was jogging through town
He wasn't carrying the guns.
Because they needed a big media spectacle so they could get a bigger budget they even called the media and told them when the raid was going to take place
Exactly, they could have done this more peacefully but the ATF was already under pressure due to Ruby Ridge. This was their ticket to reclaim their reputation and it backfired badly. They were ready to be the "heroes" again but they highly underestimated Koresh. Koresh was stockpiling no doubt but because he knew he needed to especially after ruby ridge
@@itzcapondabeat they underestimated him and responded by burning him and his family alive. well accept the one who shot himself
@@itzcapondabeat I got into it with a boot licking coworker once over this define "stockpiling" and the statute that says it was illegal because none of the davidians weapons were illegal if they were we would have seen them in detail and the texas rangers would have been allowed to examine them when they requested to instead they were told the recovered weapons couldn't be found
Federal agents dropped the ball at the administrative level. Field agents told them the situation, but were ignored. Local law enforcement tried to intervene, but were stymied. Hundreds more would perish at the federal building in OKC as retaliation. The whole affair is a tragic loss of life. Just to save face.
I’m sure those field agents were heartbroken as they stood over the charred remains of their victims and smiled while taking pictures like some kind of fucked-up big game hunter who uses flamethrowers.
Let's not forget that Texas DPS ran interference for the feds and kept the media away.
More shame.
You mean the same field agents that, while during the night, would shine huge searchlights in the windows to keep them all awake and blast the sounds of rabbits dying and dolphins noises over distorted music through loud speakers as a form of psychological torture? The same field agents that, for years, lied about using pyrotechnics and explosives during the siege? That claimed the CS gas used wasn't flammable when it 100% was flammable and most likely what started the fire that killed them all?
Thank you for sharing this rare and valuable insight on this lamentable and terrible happening.
They shouldve known the amount of CS Tear Gas they pumped into that building was not only gonna be flammable but also deadly if nobody come out of it
They also skipped over how they did psychological warfare, posed with all the charred bodies afterwords and raised their flag once it was all done
You sock puppet, your account has nothing on it. Get the f out of the comments you commie bot.
@@cloudkap How is him saying that make him a commie? Most communists trust in their government it's the patriots that question.
facepalm.... more idiots. CS gas is not flammable. We know it isnt flammable because it is used with explosive cannisters. If it were flammable you wouldnt release it with an explosive cannister. The cannisters can start a fire because they explode as a way to vaporize and spread the CS gas but the gas itself IS NOT flammable.
@@cloudkap Eric you working for the Feds.
I dont know many Conservatives that support the ATF
Maybe thats one thing we can all get behind. Defund and end this pointless organizing "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms".
Is such a organization actually needed in 2021?
The situation was so bad that they had to bring in M3 Bradley IFVs? Bruh.
This man's cognitive dissonance regarding this situation is absurd. He says seek out the truth, yet believes the "truth" he was spoon fed by the agencies involved and just sticks to that story because it allows him to feel better about the actions taken (including his own responsibility in the situation), rather than try and objectively approach the whole tragedy with any kind of point of view that relates to the those that died that day... RIP to all who lost their lives. Such a shame to have so much unnecessary bloodshed. Carry peace and love in your hearts everyone.
this is what should happen to all cults. they started it government agents ended it. it's just a pity they allow religious cults to exist, like the three main religious cults of christianity judasim and islam. we'd be much better off if all cults where removed
@@chadmartin3271 you glow in the dark
@@chadmartin3271 Yes, and replace it with your worldly, materialist cult of secularism that oppresses man as surely and as viciously as the others. We see through your lies, commie.
@@chadmartin3271 The cult attacked an FBI compound?
Was it a few days earlier?
@@CavalierHorseman91 not sure how secularism has oppressed man, don't think secularism has been a force of suppression, censorship, and cronyism for the last 1000 years like religion has. Unless I'm just misremembering indulgences, crusades, the reformation, the inquisitions, y'know... Or like the multiple people who have been executed because they found out something different from the bible?
Chris Whitcomb, former FBI HRT sniper, describes his experiences at Waco and the aftermath in several chapters of his book "Cold Zero."
untrained civilians....women and children....no thanks.
F that guy. I wouldn’t buy his book or read it!!! Women and children were killed by the pos fbi
Does he mention how their station log book had ripped out pages before it got turned over as evidence and no one knew how that happened???
@@saltyreviews1848absolutely right.
This pap thinks that he is fooling us.
So many bullshit,so many lies.
And that evil garbage...: Hillary killary..
“I prayed that those kids would come streaming out of that building,they never did” yea because you killed them
Did you even watch the video?
The cult killed them. The tank opened up a wall, but those children were unable to leave.
Simple mind
they probably kept the children for leverage
your mom dropped you on your head as a kid
This is what happens when you get a big enough group of people together and the government feels threatened
You can condemn the actions of the feds but to condone what David was doing is highly questionable
@@chuckmangione4382 considering everyone was there of their own will, he may have been manipulative, but under Texas law at the time he was in the right
Facts
I noticed that. Law enforcement doesn't like large gatherings of people be it demonstrations, sporting events, concerts, church.
A local church gets a crowd of roughly 700+ every Sunday and I always see 2 police cars circling it from time to time but just when church is in session. Any other time they don't even bother to drive down the same road.
"There was not one shot fired by any law enforcement" - 05:14.
Right lol they editors were clever here by showing the boot lickers firing at them
He must have meant no shots were fired by LE after the cease fire , he said there was a gunfight to begin with, would be too dumb of a lie to claim LE didn't return fire when they're getting shot by 40 fucking aks.
@@SynM22 I've never seen someone with stormtroopers in their pfp complain about bootlicking lol
@@Diabetic_Chicken69 reaching much? They’re holding hands running in the grass lol
@@spritemultipack they didn’t attack first. The ATF did. They crawled up to windows to fire inside but you go ahead and buy the government lies
They could have picked this guy up countless times without any shots or deaths but the ATF and FBI wanted to flex their muscles and show who was in charge. This guy is FOS.
Agreed.
This happened 28 years ago & I was 28 yo, watched this play out daily on the tv. Koresh was not dealing with a full deck, he was already paranoid. Ruby Ridge only the year before, another botched FBI raid. Janet Reno the AG at the time was full of her power and position, mishandled is putting it lightly, what she did. 2 years later in 1995, was the Oklahoma City bombing. It is 2021 and our government is still not admitting how badly they handled this. The grandfather's in history of what created our current alt-right movement. I now know how Alice felt behind that looking glass ;)
David had every reason to be paranoid. You'd be paranoid too if the police and ATF raided your home.
Ruby ridge was the "don't tread on me moment" that David Koresh probably made up his mind that if they (fbi/atf) did attempt to tread on them with force, that force would be matched. Sending tank rounds through windows...... probably wasn't anything anybody imagined inside that compound. And in the end those children were the collateral damage that makes this even more of a sham.
"everything i dont like is alt right"
@StrategicPrepper no one has to watch that documentary
“I’m not in the business of failing”
I’m in the business of ruining lives.
Government always has a reason to bust down your door.
Don’t forget, Ruby ridge.
A bunch of racists hoarding guns, yeah, folktown heroes 🥺🥺 Ruby Ridge was too slow, they shoulda all been executed
@@jediknight2013 It's that kind of attitude why the country is the way it is
@Constantinos CHRISTODOULAKIS there were no toddlers at Ruby Ridge, and that event deserves 0 sympathy
There's a great book by Gary Noesner who pretty much created the concept of hostage and crisis negotiations. He was also the lead negotiator during the Waco siege and there's a long chapter about his experiences. Great audiobook that's read by Gary.
What's the name of the book
@@jerryhart4889 search for Gary Noesner
Stalling for Time is such a good book!
@@jerryhart4889stalling for time, Gary noesner
There are definitely better people who have written books. I wouldn't support any scum from the fbi
This video is basically a statement from a former federal agent saying we’re good and they’re bad. Not biased at all
This guy left a lot of details out. I'm shocked Vice hasn't interviewed David Thibodaeu
Vice isn’t the rebellious news site it claims to be, just the lefty mouthpiece for big fed progressive gov
God I hope this cop watches this video and reads the comments and sees everyone hates him and all the other feds behind this
The ATF and FBI shot first, they did shoot through the roof, they destroyed evidence and knowingly set the compound on fire. Lon Horiuchi was an ATF sniper on both Waco and Ruby Ridge. He's the one who murdered Vicky Weaver. He immediately rebarrel his rifle following the fiasco so that the ballistics couldn't match his shots to avoid jailtime.
haha you don't know that. you don't know what he does with his barrel. can you please provide evidence other than trust me
Sounds schizo to me, bro.
Source?
Please cite a source???
@@filthycasual8074 No but its fact that he Shot her in the face while holding her baby and claimed he thought it was a weapon. 200 yards through a high powered scope even a blind man can tell the difference between a baby and a weapon, unless he thought the baby was the weapon. Sick murdering fk! Then the next day the negotiators asked Randy Weaver; “Hey Randy, what’s Vicki gonna make You for Breakfast” Sadistic Killers with the full backing of the US Government.
This guy Koresh was known to go to town on a regular basis. If these clowns had been more discreet, they could have picked him up in town and avoided this whole mess. This was all about government show time. This was not like the MOVE siege in Philadelphia because in Philadelphia, the people living aorund the MOVE compound had repeatedly complained to City Council about that group. The Branch Davidians didn't bother the neighbors. Jonestown should have been a heads up for the Feds. And of course part two of this drama was Oklahoma City.
they have learned to do that nowadays.
The illegal weapons bro? Child Molestation charges.. stop it.
@@MF-Rell he’s saying that this could have done peacefully instead of having kids burned alive, go find some other argument to misconstrue
@Autumn fire You should be mad at David Koresh, not me. I guess since you all support him so much that you agree with what Timothy McVeigh did?
@@MF-Rell I’m not mad at you it would be cruel to be mad at someone for being retarded it’s beyond their control
“There was not one shot fired by the Bureau, law enforcement or ninja outfits…”
At the 5:15 mark in this very video there are numerous ATF agents engaging the compound with gun fire. I’m a soldier, I understand firing in self defense or undertaking capture/kill operations. But if the statement is made “There was not one shot fired…” than that’s what that must mean. There’s very clear video of shots being fired by federal agents so what does that say for the truthfulness of anything this man is saying. This was either very poor editing or deceit. As much as I’d like to believe this guy, he seems to be authentically sad about the loss of life, I’m not convinced based on the many shots fired by those he claims didn’t fire a single shot.
Those people were murdered. Children too. I was in Vietnam. Ranger. My unit was ambushed by VC. All 30 killed except me. I still have metal plate in the head and knee. Yeah we killed women and children. I had PTSD was suicidal. I found Jesus. Now peacefully retired. I know I'm going to Hell when I die.
@@dontrump9769 If it's any consolation, hell doesn't exists, neither does heaven. I've literally died in 3 separate occasions. Everything just turns black and you are no more, I went into surgery one time and was put out with anesthesia or w/e and it was exactly like when I had died. Just nothingness buddy so no worries.
Not to mention the 2 40mm grenades that were fired into the tear gas that acted as an accelerant.
@@duhyathink422 "wasn't your choice" lol Sure. Flash news, Vietnamese people didn't have choice because you invaded their country, US citizens had plenty of choice, including not killing innocent women and children ffs.
Sorry to break it to you, if your dad killed innocent people, he went to hell too. Deal with it.
And F** your service, if your "service" includes killing women and children or unarmed people
@@duhyathink422 No one said you did, I'm talking about your father.
"didn’t kill anyone that wasn’t trying too kill him" No s**t, could it be that he was getting shot at because he was invading that man's country?? Stop justifying murder. Your father was US citizen and nothing to do with Vietnam but he went there anyway. And killed Vietnamese people in Vietnam. "but they were shooting at us" is same weak ass argument murderers in Iraq used. I hope you wont have a nice day and remember those who lost their lives because of your murderer father
How fitting that this was released on April fools day!
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what gaslighting sounds like. “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”
Guy: *owns guns
Atf: No.
Guy: live free or die
I support that though. The ATF started this. When will we acknowledge that the Government does just as much harm as they do good.
@@InsomniProductions
they do good?
@@InsomniProductions Absolute bullshit. David Koresh started this. He intended to be a martyr.
@Henry John What's that supposed to mean ?
yes bro because owning many many deadly weapons in a single COMPOUND for no apparent good is definitely not worrying whatsoever for an agency whose purpose is to literally watch for that behavior and therefore protect the public yes bro
The compound was definitely up to some weird stuff, but the way that the ATF stormed in there with knockoff military tactics was what caused all the the deaths.
@StrategicPrepper Because having an armed cult stockpiling weapons being lead by some guy with a messiah complex and a pedophile is somehow not troubling at all. Not like the last time that happened you had everyone in the cult force their children to ingest cyanide.
The Feds are dipshits, but saying the cult members were innocent civilians is a stretch.
@StrategicPrepper Federal Laws trump state laws. That is in the Constitution.
SirAethelWulf They were not “stockpiling” arms. They sold guns at gun shows. Their “stockpile” was really their inventory.
The math of firearms to people was about 5 a person. Less than the average person has in the entire South/ midwest/ and northwest. All of the firearms could've been completely legal had one of the cult members obtained a FFA license.(a couple hundred bucks back then) The warrent that got them in the door was essentially over a 200 dollar violation. There were ofcourse suspicions of other wrong doing. However their wasn't near enough REAL evidence for the warrant. This was all just a media frenzy that made the ATF the night in shining armors. Which in turn stopped the ATF from losing its solidarity and beoming diluted into a side department of the FBI.
lol everybody does there thing in private but it none of anybodys business unless there planning to do harm, thats the social agreement in the modern day
they forgot to mention that those holes they poked were used to pump tear gas into the building which is also flammable and the fire started shortly after they did that.
Tear gas is not flammable, while Tear gas grenades could ignite a flame due to the heat necessary change the solid compound into a gas and burst the shell. Using a CS(Tear gas) generator seen on the tanks eliminates that possibility since it creates the gas before entering the hose.
A quick search can show the Fire Diamond of the compounds currently in use, all current Tear Gases are label 1 (Materials that require considerable preheating, under all ambient temperature conditions, before ignition and combustion can occur)
@@CraftyxCrafty
They claimed they didn't use anything, but investigators found pyrotechnic CS gas canisters in the rubble. The feds already knew about the flammable and toxic nature of the CS gas going back 20 years prior to this incident.
@@CraftyxCrafty lol gregory spoke for me....so take your worthless knowledge of the situation and shove it up your small intestines ......took janet reno how many years to admit csx was used??? and it took a documentary team walking the ground to find and deliver the evidence
"Throughout history, we’ve seen how easily people can be turned against each other, labeling those who think or believe differently as enemies. But the true enemy is not diversity; it is the justification of violence and cruelty. Our humanity lies in unity and the protection of all, not in division and destruction. Open your heart: when we choose separation over understanding, we lose what makes us human. A world without division is one where goodness and compassion prevail."
He doesn't even acknowledge the fact that the tear gas they used was an incendiary. Vice out here posting ATF propaganda lol
LMAO do you think that's real? Incendiary tear gas that's a new one
@@xxprotosssloverxx yes.....the ATF has said that they used incendiary tear gas cannisters in this siege.
The Thuggernaut is correct. He is also correct about the propaganda. VICE doesn't release anything unless it's packed with some form of propaganda. They are the "mazters" of it as its also usuly quite comical and so.etumes annoying.
We will never know the truth about Waco. It's been so so manipulated and contrived to present the narrative society now accepts.
@@xxprotosssloverxx It's freely available to google. Washington post wrote an article about it in 1999
I guess I should have put an april fool's or /s. Bad joke my b
@@chainsawbarbarian yea it doesn't make a damn a difference they would've lighted it them themselves if it wasn't the gas.
I love how this guy acts like we don’t have more information now then we did when it happened. The only reason the public sees this different then when it first happened, is because we have all the information. I’ll give them a 3/10 and the points are all for effort. Burning it down was on purpose
i like you alot austin texas law guy
The ATF is unconstitutional and needs to be abolish
At the end he says they didn't fire a single shot...............flash back 2 mins to footage of multiple dudes mag dumping the house. YEAH OKAY BUD.
How do you know if one of those multiple dudes was him though
He was FBI. The men magdumping were ATF agents. The FBI took over after the initial gun fight.
The *FBI* didn't fire. The ATF did beforehand.
@@hughmungus2023 He didn't say FBI he said "WE" that's terribly vague and can easily be interpreted as referring to one side of the conflict, The government agency. Who were working together at that moment. The FBI was involved the entire time, AND THEN took over the crime scene once the entire place was burned to the ground. Do you really think it was all ATF agents and ONE lone FBI negotiator. I really had to cover my face with my palm and sigh heavily.
@@locustreign nah ur good tho
On April 19,1993 The ATF Raised a BATTLE Flag over the Burned body’s of women and children!💯