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Why We Will Never See the Jon Snow Spinoff Series | Game of Thrones | ASOIAF
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2023
- A look at the reasons why we will never see a Jon Snow spinoff. Discussion of HBO's plan for a franchise around George's novels and Aegon's prophecy.
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“To move ahead you have to leave the past behind” … he says as we all are waiting for a prequel set in the past and wanting a sequel that’s in a future we’ll never see
Just as you say, there's no real reason for a Jon Snow show. He's exiled in the Far North with the remnants of the wildlings. There's nothing up there. No enemies and nothing really interesting to see. The only really interesting thing that can happen is that Jon somehow (don't ask me how) realizes what really happened, how everyone betrayed him and exiled him and decides on getting revenge on everyone. We can also do what you said about Bran being the Night King or just being evil. The big problem with both scenarios is that something like this requires a massive investment in time and money, the return of almost all the actors of GOT (Jon will have to first fight against Sansa and rally the North against evil Bran) which is absolutely improssible to accomplish.
I never considered the revenge angle. It would have the potential of making him a villain too. What's crazy is they did such a terrible job in Season 8 that Bran did come across as evil, although it wasn't their intention. He said such strange things, and came across as manipulating events to become king.
Bran: I can never be lord of anything. I am the three eyed raven.
There are two options here. Benioff and Weiss forgotten about this line (to be fair they forgot many other plot points) or what Bran said here was the truth and the Bran of Season 8 has a secret agenda.
The plot would probably be Jon Snow trying to survive the dangers of the far north and creating a society that work there, since previous to GOT most of the wildling were just salvages and violents, but it seems really difficult to do in a way that it would make the series fun, there's no land to fight for, it's just snow, there's really no power to fight for, since there isn't a empire there, it's just a bunch of tribes that aren't connected one to another. Anyway, in my opinion this series is just a dumb ideal to trying to milk from the success that GOT was.
The best theory I see for a Jon Snow show is this.
Bran has to become a villain and it’s not even that hard to make him a villain. He’s a three eyed raven right, there are so many theories in the world of westros that suggests that three eyed ravens are known to create chaos and manipulate things so they can rise in power. So jon some how gets to know about this and starts his journey to take his throne !
Plus the white walkers are pretty much easy to bring back, the First men defeated them and they came back, now they got defeated again and they can come back again, so many fan theories available for this as well, like the craster’s baby theory is quite solid and others as well.
It’s not totally impossible for a Snow show to happen, and I personally would love to see it. George R. R Martin has confirmed that all stark children are wargs, meaning Jon can also warg in Ghost, and also, how crazy it would be , if , only if, he could warg into drogon 🤯
If D&D had leaned into the Bran as the villain angle, then the mess we saw in Season 8 would have been explainable. All it would've taken too would be a final scene showing how he manipulated all of the events, including Dany's KL madness, to gain the throne. At this point though I think the bridge to doing all of that is burned.
Bring the white walkers back after a few short years would be stupid Asf. They been gone for centuries. This time they ain’t coming back
Love the videos man, your script is super clean and compact. Best of luck!
Studios can get greedy and make poor choices, but you're right about them not having any interest in doing this series.
Yeah, the Walking Dead people would've made at least three spinoffs already out the wreckage of GOT Season 8.
@@reelworld1 Well, first of all, they would have taken the extra seasons HBO was offering and *s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d* the whole story for as long as they could.
The Snow spinoff isn’t green lite. Dunk & Egg is. That’s it. So HOTD & Dunk & Egg. No Snow. Just like the long night. Winter isn’t coming. It’s never coming. The Starks were wrong…& George? George will never finish Winds Of Winter. F**k George. F**k D&D. F**k the trash they left us. George’s only great contribution in the last 12 years is his work on Elden Ring. It’s over…& the prophecy amounted to absolutely nothing. A unpleasant evening. Not a long night.
That Spin off series was just an ideal to milk every penny possible from GOT in the case series from the old lore like House of the Dragon didn't work out. But HBO has no reason to do something like that, expecially now that HOTD is a huge success. There's enough lore to explore and they didn't have to spend much on writing because the story is already done, different from GOT since ASOIAF books aren't finished. They could do 3 separates series only with the Targaryan Dinasty in Westeros (Dance of the Dragons, Blackfire Rebelion and Aegon conquest) and another one based on Robert's Rebelion.
Yes, it looks like everything is lining up for the Aegon's Conquest series to air after HOTD is over. The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Dunk and Egg series will overlap both it seems. Eventually, many years down the line I think they will redo GOT with different, but it'll be after a number of series air.
They could make it small. Like, Daario Naharis hearing of the events, picking up Grey Worm and convincing him, then leading an expedition North to assassinate Jon Snow as revenge. Then have a showdown with Jon/Tormund.
Yeah, alright, i know it's weak, im just trying REALLY hard to come up with something to happen. xD
What does Jon/Toromund mean? Did Jon warg into Toromund's body?
@@LPno.9 No, it just means they'd fight against those two characters.
@@akosszilagyi2656 Okay. I'm used to seeing the word "and" used for that. This way it looks like they're the same person.
There is no story they could tell in the Jon Snow spinoff that wouldnt come as lazy and contrived fanfic tier bullshit. It's just a money laundering scheme.
There is a lot that can come across from the Jon Snow spin off, just got to have the right writers
I don’t really think any of us want this. We’d love to redeem the character, but this isn’t the way. If things ended better, this would have tons of steam.
If it was just the character that needed to be salvaged then it'd be possible, but the problem here is the entire endgame was a mess so there's no path.
@@reelworld1 I’ve never seen anything else start so strong to completely crumble. The Long Night wasn’t even one full night ffs!
Except that the Wildlings are people who didn't get along before they were united to fight the Others. Inevitably that's going to break down. The real threat could be Sansa deciding to annex the lands beyond the wall to fortify her kingdom. She never stopped thinking they owed the north for saving them. Jon could try to stop her leading to a war where some Westerosi want to get behind him because of his true identity. Drogon shows up to bond with the last living Targaryen, and Jon has to decide if he wants to be a dragon rider to stop the war.
That's the story I would tell if I wss forced to produce a Jon Snow series.
"Forced" is the key word. I think that's how most of us feel about such a series, since it's not necessary. But I like your idea of all the options I've seen since it's more compact and doesn't involve some of the other problematic elements from the finale (white walkers, Bran).
I know how to solve this, just kill Sansa and resurrect Daenerys, quickly the vast majority of fans would return to the series.
I would love to see a jon snow series, but if it means bringing daenerys back then never mind, her being dead makes me happier.
I was never interested in a Jon Snow series. It was Kit Harrington's idea, it's not like HBO came up with it anyway.
Yeah, Kit had a hard time after the finale, after all those years invested in the character. I can understand why he wants to fix it, but it's not the right move for the franchise.
@@reelworld1the only fix is in a couple of years redo season 8 after George finishes the book
@@ahmadpattonbey8865 I think HBO will eventually do that after they run through a bunch of prequels. It's why they featured Aegon's prophecy of the white walkers so prominently in House of the Dragon.
@@reelworld1That's really interesting way to look at it, wait until we put the show behind us, and wait for the books and make GOT again.
But, i would like Snow nonetheless, i loved that character.
They should have him leaving westros in search of his little sister who went west beyond the maps they could create an entirely new world with only those 2 as a tie in
Considering the house of the dragon has already made creative choices to seperate itself book cannon, i doubt there reason for not doing a jon snow spin off has to do with your first point.
Could be absolute freedom in what they chose to create
Well it's because a Jon Snow spin off is too early right now they should at least until House of The Dragon is done before they do the Jon Snow spin off. We all know they will make the show.
Right now the plan is to run the Knight of the Seven Kingdom series, with a premiere likely in 2025. After House of the Dragon ends the next one on deck is Aegon's Conquest which is currently in development.
@@reelworld1 Yeah then do Jon Snow spin off when the nostalgia of the original show will probably outshine the bad memories of the last few seasons.
did anyone even want it n the first place?
hell yes
heck yes, even more so then house of the dragon.
The series and the story is written from the pow of the meisters and as there is no night king in the books the story we saw can be true but not 100% true aswell as things can be lost in translation. As there is no night king in the books the night king we saw in the series might just have been one of many white walker leader and the real ww invasion might not have even started
Fire and Blood which is the source material for House of the Dragon was written by the meisters. ASOIAF is from various different POVs. But that's true about the Night King. We might never get him in the books, if they're ever finished.