The Bland, the Edgy, and the Glittery | TBWB Eclipse Review Part 4
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- At long last, Jasper, the Silent Psychopath, gets some definition. And we also break down Jacob's character arc through the series so far, using psychology!
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0:00 The Unused Graduation
1:55 Obligatory Training Arc
4:06 Jasper's Backstory
10:08 Bella's "Anxiety"
14:09 The Mountaintop
17:06 Jacob's Abusive Arc
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Myers somehow managed to create two duelling abusive relationships with literal monsters and claims them both as romantic. That's almost impressive.
She manages to fuck up so much it seems like she did it intentionally.
@@Pontificate ever notice how the people who have problems with these abusive relationships in romance novels are rarely women
Edit: its hilarious how defensive women get when you point this out
@@jackhazardous4008 Did you ever notice that the ya section of romance is saturated with abusive romance so girls are desensitized to it and learn that it's "normal"
@@jackhazardous4008 what THE FUCK are you talking about? do you know how many women have talked about how awful the relationships in this series are?
@@mischr13 almost every single woman i know over 30 has a bookshelf containing 50 shades of grey, twilight, or one of those other rapey romance novels
"Overly analytical critic who endures the worst stories for his audience's entertainment" And we're very grateful Krimson, you're doing God's work
I do what I can.
Onion boy 's 4th book
@@robertpalumbo9089 He wrote another one???
@@Wired_User It looks purposefully bad unlike the others
@@vivixios That’s still not good
Honestly, Jasper's backstory of leading a vampire army, and being manipulated by Maria, the vampire who turned him, into doing her biding, is FAR more compelling than the love triangle nonsense we were forced to sit through!
All the side characters are more interesting than the love triangle
That's a big problem with Twilight. Stuff people might be interested in is glossed over but shit no one cares about is the centre of the story.
@@Xehanort10 actually, that would be a great series- a love triangle with a compelling plot, while the backstories of the side characters get explored in the process. One book focuses on one character, the next book another, etc. It can still focus on the main story while enriching the world and the ups and downs of each characters’ unique circumstances
@@lanterns_glow LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
Rosalie's story is a better story also
Poor Brick, he deserved better.
One like equals one prayer for Brick.
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What's crazy about Stephanie Meyer's writing on Jacob is that she killed his character BECAUSE she failed to make Bella or Edward compelling. In terms of the love triangle, Jacob was supposed to be the antithesis to Edward. But Meyers clearly didn't realize that makes Edward look worse, not better. So she had to kill his character to make Edward look better by comparison.
Instead of making him a villain, all she did was prove she's a dumbass.
I don't know if that was ever confirmed.
@@fightingmedialounge519 I think the confirmation comes from the fact that the readers/fans were rooting more for Bella/Jacob than Bella/Edward.
Hence Jacob's character assassination in later novels.
@@madamefluffy4788 that's not eveidence so much as speculation in attempt to justify such a counter productive writting decision.
see from my perspective, Meyer saw how popular Jacob had become and so deliberately tried to make him a more compelling romantic rival in her eyes - which in reality means making him a possessive douchebag like Edward. it's been a long time since I've read her interviews but I got the impression that she actually prefers eclipse!jacob
Even more proof the graduation speech is unrealistic: My Class President made her speech all about how far she came and thanking everyone. She even thanked her dog.
God I don't even remember mine, was on my phone, then snuck out once I got my diploma
My Class President made a presentation about the Dos and Don'ts of Post-High School Life for his speech, and it was extremely entertaining. Sometimes I feel like my high school existed in a parallel universe.
All I remember from my graduation was that my dad showed up late and got lost. If Bella’s dad did that it shows that he tries and really cares while trying to track down the “bear” attacks.
I don't even remember what my year's valedictorian said, and my high school graduation was barely 7 years ago.
We didn't even have speech. Our curator just congratulated us with overly complicated version of "to be continued" and the best part I remember is that it was really nice outside
It was 4 years ago
the amazing work ethic you have to go out of your way to find a dress to wear fits your size just to imagine how Jasper is storytelling in a small skit (chefs kiss)
What can I say? I love my craft.
@@KrimsonRogue You look very adorable.
*hugs the brick* It's okay Brick. I feel for you...
This holiday season, you will believe a brick can cry...
I have to admit, I'm kinda curious about Brick's backstory now... Why the divorce and the job loss? Are they related? Brick is presented as a sympathetic character, but these events could also be the result of character flaws, which Brick must learn to overcome through arduous events and self-reflection.
Now I want Krimson to write a story about brick, I have many questions about it's life
I don’t know what Krimson was talking about. I’d definitely care about the brick
@@bioticjedi3864 it all started going to shit when brick had a little crack.
I also find it incredibly disturbing that Jacob actually more or less threatens SUICIDE if Bella doesn't give him what he wants, which seems like another abuse tactic, basically making the victim responsible for the abuser's emotional baggage and telling them it'll be the victim's fault if the abuser comes to any harm, thereby forcing the victim to give in out of guilt and fear. If Jacob seriously means to get himself killed because a girl is friendzoning him, that's disturbingly obsessive or he's lying to emotionally manipulate Bella which is just...YIKES.
Edward conforms that Jacob is lying. Bella was just stupid enough to fall for it.
That's the funny thing about that scene... both Bella and Jacob are trying to manipulate each other. Bella is using Jacobs feeling for her to essentially try and seduce him into not going in the battle. And Jacob, with complete understanding of that, is using that to get a kiss out of her. Really they're both being horrible to the point you can't feel sorry for either.
Bella wanting to become a vampire might have been interesting if she had understandable reasons like being frightened of dying instead of a shallow "I don't want to be old and wrinkly while you stay the same Edward."
Honestly, I think a good fix for it would've been if the bite she endured in the first book was slowly killing her, and her being afraid. She thinks that being a vampire would be the perfect solution. Dying, but not having to actually die.
And to give it the conflict of arguments against it, actually GIVING THE VAMPIRES NEGATIVE QUALITIES TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT DEBATABLE.
@@TheHiddenDirector Yeah in other vampire series there are good and bad parts to being a vampire. Thirst for blood, the sun, human people you might care about dying around you, the fact that some vampires get bored with immortality and want to die and so on. But there's no downside to being one in Twilight and Twilight's vampires are all too OP.
Has Bella even been established as a vain character, or is this an Empress Theresa moment of "women don't mind dying if they're still pretty"?
@@jackhazardous4008 If Bella were vain and condescending about her appearance or even narcissistic as a whole, that would actually give her a character and also a motivation to stick by vampires, want to become one, yet still stay in contact with Jacob and the wolves in the process. But nope, she's a blank self-insert. Really should have stayed as VampireXReader fanfiction.
@@zaramikazuki8374 she would be a better character if she was a petty selfish high school mean girl, and it would even give her room to change into a less shallow person through the series
I feel like an idiot for never noticing how abusive Jacob is until you had to spell it out for me. Thank you for that Rouge.
To be fair, Edward shows abusive tendencies from the start and Jacob kind of progresses into it
And both the book and movie paint J&E monsters as heroic and romantic.
If you didn't notice it maybe it wasn't AS bad as people are making it out to be.
Most of us liked the Jacob of New Moon for most of that book, he seemed so much better than Ed. Then Meyer realized that so many people liked him better and had to assassinate his character.
@@JeromeViolist Count me in that club. I actually liked New Moon Jacob (barring that last scene or two). I was so damn salty when Meyer character assassinated him. And I'm still really upset about it, damn it.
One thing I've never understood is that Jasper was supposed to be the "youngest" of the Cullens (the alleged reason why he tried to attack Bella in New Moon, "because he was still a youngling and couldn't control his bloodlust" or something), but he was a confederate soldier, which would make him older than Edward
Relative timeline.
They're referring to Jasper as the youngest because he was the last one of them to adopt the "vegetarian" lifestyle.
It still seems like a weak plot device but still, thanks for clearing that up.
I've been wondering this since this stupid movie came out
He's not the youngest. He's just the newest to the vegetarian lifestyle.
Also, I think it's possible that because Jasper is an empath he might have had greater trouble controlling his blood lust in New Moon. If everyone else suddenly felt like eating Bella, that could have hit him harder. Thats pure head canon of course.
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Don't ever let anyone tell you you deserve that"
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Thank you so much for including a hotline specifically for the Deaf. It is a very small community with different cultural values and attributes from the larger hearing society, and I would imagine that struggling to communicate with people outside the community would make it all the more difficult to leave an abusive partner
I believe Jacob's behavior is very much the 'wolf pack' mindset - Jacob's threatening Tyler (?) because he saw him as competition for Bella's affections, Sam and Emily's backstory, one of the other 'wolves' rage morphing when Bella slapped him, the pack warning Bella not to stare at Emily's hideous scars because it may upset Sam and Quill's refusal to leave his two year old child bride's side (as well as Jacob's later refusing to part from an equally infantile Renesmee's side) are all evidence that the entire pack are possessive/obsessive/abusive/controlling monsters. And because they all share a psychic link; they all enable each other's behavior.
And all of it the author tries to paint as the perfect love - that a woman a 'wolf' imprinted on could refuse, but wouldn't want to, because - according to the author when asked about imprinting - 'who could refuse such devotion?'
Meyer's needs serious mental help.
some people's yandere fanfics shouldn't make it to mainstream media tbh
From what I can tell from the lore it's less enabling and more because Imprinting literally strips the wolves of their free will and makes so they can't live without them. (Still very wrong and horrifying either way, Meyer really has control issues.)
Meyer accidentally made being a wolf more of a living Hell than being undead in this series because once you shifted your life isn't your own anymore and you never even get a choice.
@@CoolG97 I corrected my initial statement - as, you're right. It's less enabling the actions they do and more justifying them because they can't fight against it.
'We can't help ourselves; it's a wolf thing!'
Which is a true statement; but, like you had said, it doesn't make it right. It's just really infuriating when the author and her devoted fans perform so many mental gymnastics in order to paint the whole thing as 'soul mates/true love' when it's nowhere near the sort.
@@roserose109 For real. Don't get me wrong, I love and certainly have a guilty pleasure in dark fics. But they should 100% be recognized as the very harmful things that they are and stay wholly in the fanfic world. Or actually... I can even accept these concepts being presented in the mainstream media, if those concepts are treated as the very negative ideas that they actually are, and made very clear to the audience and absolutely not romanticized at all.
@@madamefluffy4788 Honestly... the whole imprinting thing could be an interesting premise, with a better writer. Like someone imprinting against their own will to someone and being so completely devoted to them, i know it doesn't make them subservient, but what if they imprinted on someone evil? Would they be willing to turn them in or fight against them? or would they begrudgingly help. Or even with the fact they imprint on a child... how about showing some actual reluctance and conflict within that character rather than "its a wolf thing".
"This set up is so toxic it should have been set in New Jersey" 😳😂👌
Not going to lie, I loved that entire 'Jacob's Abusive Arc' section. It was an excellent explanation of how messed up he is, and it really hit home for me. Thanks for giving me another reason to avoid these books and these movies at all cost, Krimson!
As someone who regularly empathises with inanimate objects, I feel offended that you'd put them in the same category as Bella.
Yeah he did the poor brick a disservice
Oh Brick-kun, he's going through such a tough time right now;;; I can hardly hold back my tears;;;
My coworker today: ‘Yeah, im going to get all of the Twilight covers tattooed on me’
Me, having watched all the past krimson videos: ‘Uhh are you okay? 👁👄👁’
Run
Agreed, run.
Run like the wind
It's a book early, but it's funny that the last battle in this series was a DELUSION!!!
I know, imagine building up tension all for an epic final battle that never actually occurs! 😤
Fitting for this series then. "You think you'll be getting a good, badass final fight? You're delusional." Great metaphor for Twilight as a whole that.
*an illusion actually.
only in the movies. in the books, the climax is just people talking as contrivance after contrivance prevents the volturi from wiping the cullens out
@@seekingabsolution1907 You missed the joke. I’ve attached a clip of the reference they are making.
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"Why are you wearing a dress!?"
"It makes my eyes look pretty."
At 11:33 why did every western movie I ever watched before come to mind and I literally yelled "giddy up wolfy" to my tablet
On a side note my sister is now looking at me like I am crazy
The only thing I remember from my graduation is actually from the rehearsal, and it was the girl behind me whining about how it was taking so long. While the teacher in charge kept stopping while people talked. So I finally turned around and yelled at her, "Nobody wants to be here! If you shut up, we'll get done sooner!"
She stopped talking, as did most of the others, so it worked, and we were able to actually get through the rehearsal without too many other stops.
Only things I remember about my graduation was that it was fucking hot and that when my name was called, my dad told me he screamed "YEAH!" and I think my sister said "I volunteer as tribute" or she contemplated doing so.
Which brings a very interesting question: why people organise it year after a year?
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 maybe because there are high school seniors every year?
Graduations are so incredibly boring. You know they’re bad when even the people graduating rarely want to be there.
@@cjkalandek996 Yes, but no one enjoys them, and even the graduates often don’t want to be there either.
22:29 alas we do know for a fact that even if you do imprint on someone, you can hurt them... because otherwise Emily wouldn’t be walking around with a scarred face
Yeah, but I'm saving that for a larger rant against imprinting in the Breaking Dawn review. XD
@@KrimsonRogue I for one cannot WAIT for the imprinting rant. That's gonna be so good honestly.
@@KrimsonRogue It might serve you well to point out that Twihards aren’t looking at this series with anything deeper than a surface level critical eye. That’s why stuff like imprinting doesn’t inspire revulsion, because they’re not using their brains to think about any deeper implications.
@@KrimsonRogue Fair enough, I sense it's going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOONG rant... especially given how it crops up around Emily, her abusive boyfriend Sam, and the most "why did you even write this character if you were going to mishandle and misuse them so badly" character i've seen in a good while... Leah.
@@KrimsonRogue Oh boy, I know an imprinting rant was inevitable and figured you were saving it for the most notorious case in Breaking Dawn, despite the two terrible cases (in Emily and Claire) already present in Eclipse. I'm definitely looking forward to that!
This is the only video series that I have legitimately been excited to immediately click on when I see the notification.
This was enough to tear me from Monster Hunter Rise. Take my admiration dammit.
Me too, I never thought that I would be THIS excited for a Twilight related video before!
@@trinaq The only Twilight video that's actually good
I really enjoy these videos from Book Jesus. He truly is suffering for our sins (entertainment). I also love Amanda the Jedi losing her mind over them, and Dominic Noble going into full on despair in their videos too.
@@abigailc8829 In addition to Krimson's review series, I also have a soft spot for Hannah Lee Kidder's Twilight rewrite. She started off by rewording the first book for editing reasons... then somehow transformed into her writing the books with new and better concepts, making it a better story overall. It's really fun to watch her thought process and edits. And of course, Dominic Noble's Twilight Saga reviews are also genuinely amazing.
@@zaramikazuki8374 Ooh, I'll have to check those out sometime.
The section titled “Jacob’s Abusive Arc” nearly made me cry because the song “As Long As He Needs Me” is so incredibly heartbreaking . For those who don’t know, that’s from Oliver, and Nancy is being abused by her boyfriend, Bill Sikes, as in, it’s so bad that a lot of actors who’ve played Bill get uncomfortable. it’s not at all sugar-coated. But it’s not gratuitous. He ends up killing her. In this song, it’s like she says, as long as he needs her. Well, at last as long as she believes he does. It shows the mindset of an abuse victim so well that, as someone who went through that myself, it just cuts deep. Under other circumstances, it could almost be a genuine love song, and indeed, from her to him, it is, and she just can’t see what’s really happening.
The original musical film version: ua-cam.com/video/TkXQqYa0wrwn/v-deo.html The cuts from another movie used when talking about Jacob is from this movie.
My heart skipped a beat when I realized that the piano instrumental playing during the Cycle of Abuse section is "As Long As He Needs Me."
And then that clip from the movie "Oliver!"
Bill Sikes and Nancy are a fine example of how to properly frame an abusive relationship.
Credit for both of those go to the editor. :)
@@KrimsonRogue It's perfect!
Now wait a minute, (movie) Jasper- the vampire who can sense and control emotions, couldn't tell Maria wasn't actually in love with him? How does that work, lol.
Logical explanation: We believe what we want to believe, and considering he was afraid she would kill him, he knew deep down that it wasn’t truly love.
Actual explanation: She didn’t bother to think any of it through because Jasper didn’t actually matter to her as a person/character.
My headcanon: she did "love" him but her feelings were so twisted that the relatively young vamipire was unable to recognize her toxicity
But that would ruin the whole "love fixes everything" narrative
Perhaps if Jasper has to actively read someone's emotions, he simply never bothered getting a reading off of Maria?
@@hayleybartek8643 Honestly this explanation is a little odd. He thinks she's in love with him but he hasn't once thought to check? It's not questioning her feelings, but in reality someone would at least consider it out of curiosity, at least I would.
The real issue is that Stephenie herself doesn't recognize the toxicity that Jake's behaviour embodies. I just don't get how Bella can accept that this abuser will treat her own daughter well after the way he's acted towards her. Not to mention how much the whole thing reeks. Yike. Kinda like Woody Allen and Soon Yi, except they had a choice. Also, this whole movie's colour grading is off
She is mormon she thinks abuse is normal
@@sentuisbattlepants1810 for real?
" Why are you wearing a dress?!" These are the questions that need to be asked 😂
He looked good in blue lol
For sure... though Krimson looked damn good in that dress with his hair down in that femme style, lol
He does look good! I'm jealous
Honestly as someone whose been in a couple abusive/manipulative relationships (not just romantic) sometimes it legitimately goes over my head. Which I KNOW is bad but I really didn't see the full scope of Jacob's manipulation until you spelled it out. I know that sexual assault was wrong and I wasn't a fan of him for that.. but now I'm questioning his behavior as well and I think I would've fallen for his manipulation as well had I been Bella 🤷🏼♀️
It just becomes so normalized that any abuse afterwards, it's not picked up on. And it's not good to normalize that but that's just show how I'm a lot more susceptible to people like that.
Abusers are more likely to abuse again but sometimes the survivors are also more likely to be abused again. It's why we have to learn tell tale signs of it before it gets bad.
I unfortunately have a friend who ended up in much the same situation. It started with her parents, and moved on to every guy she dated. She just gravitated towards abuse because it was so normal for her. The pattern of her reading reflects that as well. All of the books she reads normalizes it as well.
Same here. Mine was mentally and emotionally abusive.
*sniff sniff* That poor brick. So much turmoil, and yet...it just looks like another brick in a wall. A compelling character just from the blandest design.
Saitama in a nutshell.
I said it in the last part to this video series but one of the biggest factors to why Jacob acts the way he does in the last couple of books is because Meyer didn't want people shipping Bella with Jacob so she wrote an entirely horrific character assassination about him in the hopes that people would dislike him and stop shipping him with Bella
Yo I said the same thing in the last part too! The best part about her wrecking Jacob like that is that then she wanted us to like him again by making him fall in love with Bella’s baby.
@@cinematicheadspace6485 wait so having his wolf DNA force him to fall in love with a baby was supposed to be a back track not a nail in the coffin?
@@TheAnonyomusGuy I don’t know. Him falling in love with a baby is seen as a good thing (ew) to the point that Edward and Bella are fine with it in the end (more ew) so I think it was Meyer’s attempt at a backpedal. I guess she wanted Jacob to still be “likeable” but not as likeable as Edward but she went to far so she wrote herself a total mess.
Why would you sabotage your own work like that
@@jackhazardous4008 Idk, only Meyer would know. But I know that I actually liked Jacob in New Moon (at least until the very end with Alice/Edward scenes coming back), and somehow it did not strike me as an abusive character worming his way in at the time. Jacob really did strike me - up until that point anyways - as a good supportive friend. I'm guessing others also saw him as ship potential, Meyer did not like that, then proceeded with the brutal character assassination rather than... you know... making Edward more likeable and the Edward/Bella relationship healthier and nicer.
The only thing I remember from my high school graduation was not wanting to be there and instead playing games at home.
A part 5... Can only imagine how much of an epic Krim will make from the last entry.
For starters, it's longer than any of the other parts.
Also, it contains a rant arguing that Meyer writes like an incel.
@@KrimsonRogue Oooo teasers
@@KrimsonRogue read more bad books
:U
Fun fact the original plan for the series was to jump directly from Twilight to Forever Dawn, so if all Bella's high school stuff in NM and here feels like filler that's because it is.
Edit-Also filler-ANYTHING involving the wolves apparently they were originally just going to show up to kill Vicky in the end of FD.
I feel like that would have been a better book series than what we were delivered.
@@veronicabaranowski6976 It cuts out all of New Moon and Eclipse, Vicky actually does something that impacts the story and even Laurent gets a character arc. (He's the only vampire I honestly like in this series.)
Also problem is the infamous Imprinting is still in it.
Don't you mean Breaking Dawn? Or did she release Book 5 an no one brought it up?
@@SnoFitzroy No, the original title of the sequel was "Forever Dawn".
I got to admit seeing Jasper going that far to tell his backstory would have been awesome. Like he have been waiting for years.
I remember reading somewhere that Jacob’s character shift made more sense if you kept in mind that Meyer didn’t plan him out as a rival love interest in the first book, and that his aggressive and possessive traits only really start once she committed to the love triangle. (Guess who else is possessive and aggressive... Edward. It’s like Meyer can only write the one type of romantic interest)
While it does seem true that Meyers writes romance that way, there's also a pretty good in-story reason for Jacobs behavior not being obvious at the very start. He didn't start acting so aggressive until he became a werewolf, and the story does establish that young werewolves have a problem controlling their emotions. So there is a justification for his personality changing.
As someone who escaped an abusive relationship shortly after high school. Thank you for bringing this blatant example of toxic behavior to light. Another reason I absolutely hated this series.
If Jaspers ability is to control people's emotions, doesn't that mean he the potential to become the monster from bird box.
hmm...what's a Birdbox? i really don't know so.....
@@talmiz101 Birdbox monster makes people go crazy and kill themselves just by looking at it.
@@CoolG97 thank you for answering, have a wonderfully epic week.
@@CoolG97 isn’t Bird box a show?😅
@@gracekim25 book & movie
What I remeber from my high school graduation is everyone being plugged into their phones while I was sitting there looking pretty. God it sucked.
I came because of the notification.
I stay for the clint eastwood reference in the title and the god awful cheese that krim suffered for us lol
Oh dear! I hope you weren't in Public when you got that Notification....
That would be embarrassing. 😄
You know, because you came?
I'm sorry, I'm gonna go now.
@@johannesseyfried7933 BE GONE. YOUR KIND ARENT WELCOME HERE.
(Southpark bartender) "Now skeeter he aint hurtin nobody..."
I think Meyer was going for a Beauty and the Beast theme with the wolves but misinterpreted the story like she did with Romeo and Juliet.
In the original fairytale the Beast is genuinely a good person and the Beauty needs to look past his animal-like appearance and see the man underneath.
But Meyer, and to be fair a lot of modern writer tend to, give the Beast more toxic traits and refuse to give them any redemption beyond "oh he said he felt bad." so there character never really changes. That's not Beast that's Bluebeard. Also Meyer has the wolves threatening suicide if their "feelings" aren't returned...what is wrong with this woman?
To end on a fun note-The woman who wrote the abridged version of Beauty and the Beast also wrote a story called "Prince Darling" which is probably the best Arrogant!Beast story I've read, helps that it's his POV and he actually suffers consequences.
Its like she thinks making the people behave more drastically will make the story more interesting
@@jackhazardous4008 All the worst writers think that.
Oh😅 I see
The Muddle Earth parody of Twilight was more compelling than actual Twilight. And that was a spoof side-story in which Edward and "Ella" run away to become vikings. It was actually hilarious and really fun, and was the best part of the entire book imo.
Sheesh, coupled in with what we covered from Jake last time, your discussion really does open up the very real terrible design of his character. I recall hearing that Myer intentionally assassinated his character to defuse the "Team Jacob" debate, so that makes me wonder if Jacob was initially supposed to be this toxic and Myer just amped it up to eleven with Eclipse, or if he genuinely was just supposed to be misunderstood, and Myer purposefully damaged him beyond repair. I initially believed the latter since I did find him to be genuinely supportive and at least trying to be understanding to the sentient brick when watching your New Moon review (because no way am I watching these "films" without several friends and copious amounts of alcohol) but he failed because she was just being the brick, but now I'm not so sure.
Meyer was genuinely upset over Team Jacob. This whole series started because she had a wet dream about her adult self and a sparkly teenaged vampire in a meadow. She wanted fans to want Edward, and so she tried to make Jacob look bad. But since this is Twilight and Bella is supposed to be the best ever, she also had to still have Jacob.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Where exactly do people get the idea that Meyers was upset over team Jacob? Can anyone making this claim actually cite where this is stated? Or are a lot of butt hurt team Jacob fans just making this up. Because she seriously got rich over this so I can't for the life of me understand why she would be bothered in the least.
I think people just igonre Jacobs bad behavior in New Moon when they complain about Jacobs change. He threatens to put Mike in the hospital when they went to the movies with Bella, and attempts to get Bell in trouble with Charlie at the end of New Moon to try and keep her away from Edward. What we saw in Eclipse was a continuation of that same behavior. It's just that there was less of it in New Moon because Edward wasn't around, so he didn't need to be as manipulative. YOu start to see the more toxic behavior once Jacob isnt getting what he wants.
I've been floating the idea of a fix-it fic with friends, and one told me it'd be equivalent to putting on a chum suit and jumping in a shark tank. I just. I want better! Better dads, more Alice, better Bella, better Jacob, no fetishisation or dehumanisation of an Indigenous tribe, and Ed's creepiness to be treated as the creepy bullshit it is.
The only way to fix it is take out every BAD thing and start over😅and it would be quite difficult to pull off
You should follow Hannah Lee Kidder's Twilight rewrite series, right here on UA-cam. She started off by just doing line edits and grammar/rewording things, then it quickly morphed into adding lines and background... and now she's basically rewriting the entire story barring the overarching Bella/Edward ship. It's actually pretty neat and I'd recommend it to anyone.
Bella and Alice end up together
Everyone in here talks about Twilight while I'm just trying to comprehand the fact that Krimson's hair looks magnificent AND he likes MGS games? Can you adopt me sir, please?
to be fair... Edward is also an abusive monster of a boyfriend, so Bella's basically juxtaposed between two abusive relationships... which i guess is also common among domestic abuse victims, at least in anecdotal cases I've witnessed
Bella's cripplingly bad self-esteem manifests in her attraction to entitled predators
@@Tareltonlives yes, i was just pointing out a trend 've noticed where the same person regularly chooses to date abusive partners... and i would postulate that low self-esteem and/or a victimhood complex of some sort is responsible for people making decisions like this
@@mihochicoine127 Probably; I also think Bella is doing some manipulation of her own, as a way of asserting herself. She knows Jacob is obsessed with her so she exploits that. She knows Edward wants to marry her, so she exploits that to turn into a Vampire over his own protests. In both these, Jacob and Edward are forcing their own wants on her, and she is double-dealing to regain autonomy. She's learning that abuse is the only way to have any power.
@@Tareltonlives That's why I can never feel THAT sorry for Bella.
Yes her suitors are at times not treater her well. But at the same time she's clearly using both to get what she wants, and in the end Bella clearly does get everything she wants. So its kind of hard to feel bad for her (except when Jacob sexually assaults her... that's a whole other level).
@@noelbernabe8704 It's three way abuse
Absolutely love your dissection off this unholy piece
The hanging tree gave me goosebumps immediately btw, nice
All credit for the music choices go to Jen for editing them in. :D
Slade: Why are you wearing a dress!
Me: He probably lost a bet with Dom.
There better be bloopers between you and Slade.
That whole scene had me rolling
It took me a second to remember that "Slade" is referring to the girl and not the DC character. 😅
Once again, I'm so glad I never had a Twilight phase.
Lucky
@@scorpionqueen8586 Still had that Phantom of the Opera phase, but i definitely feel good about skipping over the Twilight phase.
Same ✌
Me too😅 I mean there was a time I considered reading them but at this point I’ll never read them (I also didn’t realise she wrote the host until a few years later😬)
“Because the author said so,” is not rarely seen, especially in this series
"Why are you wearing a dress?!?"
"It's called method acting...and it makes me feel pretty."
Do you think love can bloom even on a battle field?
40k fans :NO!!!
Unless you are commissar Cain. It can for the unluckilyest lucky man
I’ve heard love _is_ a battlefield!
Love is pretty gay, bro. I only care about Bolters and shit.
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj Get the flamer, man. There's, like, xenos to burn. For the Emperor!
@@mst3kharris Klingon Sighted! UNLEASH ALL FURY APON THEM!!!
What I remember from my graduation is the end where almost all the graduating students set off poppers to celebrate. It pissed off the principal XD
Clingy creep who stalks her and controlling creep who forces himself on her
Such magnificent suitors Bella has
I deeply, honestly, and from the bottom of my heart want to thank Krimson Rogue for the series of this review - especially the last part.........for getting me into Aggretsuko which acted as a beautiful palate cleanser for these books and movies.
"Alice's ability to look ahead in the script" LOL :'''D
The only thing I remember from my graduation is when they played We're All in This Together from High School Musical after the ceremony.
Honestly that’s pretty lit compared to my graduation lol!
At least you guys had a ceremony. Class of 2020 here.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets same
I’m genuinely emotional over that brick😭
My Jr. High graduation was more memorable than my High School graduation. Then again the only thing from my Jr.High graduation I remember was everyone having to sing "Lean on me"
“Emo glitter himself to death”
"worse combat records than several Disney princesses"
It's bad when disney is out pacing the literal monsters in combat records and body count if you include mulan and elsa of course. Seriously how did anyone take these monsters seriously when elsa from frozen can beat them?
Elsa causes a mini ice age and can create sentient beings at will. Let’s be fair, if you take the context that she’s a Disney princess out of the equation, she would be quite terrifying
You know I just realized while writing this comment that nothing said will ease the pain of having to watch this entire series, reading the books and then having to look up fact and details
So I will only say this, Krim, you have my upmost respect and I hope you don't go insane while reviewing the rest of the series
All the talk of Jasper being a confederate makes me wonder if we're ever going to get a review of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. Or Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. (What that movie does with the proposal/argument scene is glorious.)
Krim, you fiend, I care about the brick! Well, at least significantly more than anyone in Twilight.
Nothing like watching Krimson rip into some sh*tty story telling to make a rough day better.
Hope your day gets better!
The story would have been way more interesting in a romance sense if Bella was, WITH CONCENT from both her and Edward, turned into a vampire in the first movie. The rest of the series would be us following Bella (while being in love with Edward) adjusting to being a vampire both on an individual and collective level, trying to keep it a secret from her father, mother, friends, and other human beings, learning that her male best friend Jacob is now supposed to be her worst enemy, and that alot of other vampires, along the council, is against her relationship.
Your reviews never disappoint!! 😂❤️
Thanks! Glad to hear it. :D
@@KrimsonRogue 😭😭 thank you for responding!😱 Glad I was early haha
I've never felt so uncomfortable as I did while sitting through the (cut down) scenes of a) Jacob kissing Bella, b) Jacob manipulating Bella to kiss him. Like holy fuck. It's not (only) the fact that these are sexual assaults but that they're framed in a way that wants you to believe "it's not that bad, it's just a kiss" and "Jacob is hot so it's kinda okay? Oh, and he said sorry :)". F*CK those scenes.
Also, this was last video but I really loved that you didn't say "how can you write those scenes as a woman?", because no one, NO ONE, should feel okay writing that shit. Your gender doesn't matter in this - if you don't feel disgusting, uncomfortable or sickened by those scenes, go get yourself checked out by a therapist.
I don't think it's entirely true that Meyers wrote the scene in a way which says it's not that bad. Meyers description of Bella handling the sexual assault made it feel real real bad.
I think the writing of some of Edwards toxic behaior arguably came off like Meyers didn't think it was a big deal. But the description of Jacob sexually assaulting her was actually pretty brutal to read. Bella did not seem okay while it was happening and the writing actually did a retty good job of conveying that.
Though I'll agree Charlies reaction afterwards is sort of telling.
It’s so weird that I hated the movies that my girlfriend forced me to watch but I love hearing you break them down and talk about them lol. Love your content man.
Oh my gods, it made so much sense now!!!!!!!!! That's why Edward cant read Bella. SHE IS ACTUALLY A BRICK. IN ALL THE EMOTIONAL SENSES AND ALSO even in the physical sense bcs if you really subtitute Bella with a brick I would make no difference.
Kinda sad if you ask me
Using clips from Zelda, Ghostbusters, Metal Gear, Star Wars, and Batman? You pretty much used every franchise I love in this one video.
You look good in a dress xD
More men should look into wearing dresses, he looked really good
We gotta bring back robes into fashion so men will wear more dresses!
I think the long hair helps.
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 The long Hair certainly helps.
He looks really good in that Dress.
Bring the kimono back!
The whole “imprinting” concept is so creepy. It was bad enough and then she added children into the mix. That opens up a whole conversation on grooming. Bella and Edward being perfectly fine with Jacob and the daughter, even after they’ve met Emily (I think that’s her name, the girl with the scar on her face). There are just so many instances of excusing abusive behavior in the twilight books/movies. I’m glad I wasn’t a middle school age girl when the books and movies came out because it sends a really bad message about relationships.
I wonder if anyone will get this quote. So, to quote Father Jack, "I love my brick."
The fact that Jasper was in the Confederate army could've just not been in the story.
Also the fact that Maria, who is heavily implied to be a woman of Latina descent (one of the few minority characters mentioned outside of the natives) turns out to a manipulate monster that just uses him.
But yeah, I agree. His story would have been exactly the same he had been in the union, so idk what stephanie Meyer was aiming for with that.
@@beeknees6707 Damn, I didn't notice that detail
@@beeknees6707 she does that to every minority.
@Al There's nothing wrong with a character having been a confederate as long as it's handled well. An immortal character would have had plenty of years since the Civil War to have a change of heart and realize they had fought for the wrong side.
Of course, Stephenie Meyer doesn't handle anything well.
@@bethanychatman9531 I know. I was just focused on the Confederate part that I didn't think about Maria's character.
“But that’s a whole Nother discussion I’m holding for part five” There’s a part five?!?!
I was so excited to see this in my notifications. I never thought I could learn a lot about psychology and abuse in a review about a teen vampire-werewolf love triangle series. I used to be Team JACOB as a teen then I grew to dislike every character except Charlie. But now there’s really no decent character in this entire series lmao
There is one: the van that almost ran over Bella.
Carlsile and Aro are still pretty cool.
I think some of the human characters like Jessica could've been a lot cooler if they weren't just used as background noise. I also think Rosalie is cool.
I think Charlie congratulating Jacob for sexually assaulting his daughter actually bothered me more than Jacob committing the fact. Jacob at least has the excuse that he was a werewolf not not in complete control of his emotions (not that this is a good excuse). But Charlie was a complete and utter pig.
Jacob alone made watching this 1000x more uncomfortable
Krimson: Let's dive into the world of Psychology.
Me: 🍿
"...Soccer mom tested, Jesus approved "😆
I love when you throw in scenes where you're acting out with who I assume is your girlfriend. I get a great laugh out of it every time. Very silly and very well done
So basically instead of Team Edward or Team Jacob it should have been Team Bat Creeper or Team Dog Creeper...
Team Cold Stiff vs Team Red Rocket
Wait how come Jasper's power works on Bella but not Edward's or the pain thing the other vampire has! I can maybe get that seing the future is different but all the other power can effect a person directly, she can shield mind reading and pain but not emotion control?
Okay the apparent explanation is that Jasper's powers are based on altering chemicals in the body as opposed to being psychic...or something...
@@mirandatilley2486 and he can do that from a distance?
I saw these movies when I was little and I was Team Jacob. I can't believe that I never picked up on the abusive relationship that he has with Bella. It makes me wonder how these movies may have affected other people who saw these films at a young age.
13:40 That brick lost their job while going through a divorce? How dare you make fun of them!
#LoveForBrick
I have a fondness for stories about breaking away from the comfort of limitations to pursue something more fulfilling. But too often I feel like popular forbidden romance is saturated with stories about creepy dangerous guys and toxic/abusive relationships, as if they're unintentionally deconstructions.
They think they've created a deep, complicated character with problems when they've really just created an abusive muscular body pillow who forces himself on women who decide to just not resist.
I've got a story I'd like to finish one of these days. I'm anxious but also amused at the idea of it gaining any following and people freaking out even though the couple are adults who respect and care about each other with no manipulation or coercion.
Didn't have the beach ball at mine. We tossed around a blow up doll, spray silly string, firecackers, all that good stuff. We got pretty bored when it started... the speech was just so, so, sooo long. Good times though.
12:58 According to Twilight fans though anyone who points out she's shit at acting is supposedly sexist.
I am having the most awful day and seeing that you uploaded a video really made me feel better. Thanks Krimson ❤️
Glad to help. I hope tomorrow is better! :D
@@KrimsonRogue thank you! :)
Between Bella's behavior in the first two books, and Edward and Jacob's behavior in this book, Stephenie Meyer managed to create a love triangle where everyone is a poisonous viper who should never be in a romantic relationship. Someone really ought to make an award for that.
Definitely not Team Jacob then?
At this point, I'm on Team Shotgun.
I don’t know...I feel more sorry for the brick than for Bella/Stewart. Does that make me a bad person?
Honestly, these videos have been super educational for me not just for someone who never read these books, but also how to be a better writer. Thanks for the knowledge Krimson!
Can we get a book about the brick?! Asking for a friend
I had never really conceptualised Jacob’s behaviour as abusive just as desperate but I think you break it down so well to show how Jacob and Bella’s relationship is founded on an abusive cycle but also how abuse isn’t always an intentional behaviour but a fucked up path someone takes to get what they want when they truly believe it’s what they deserve or better for the other person. Bella was in a super vulnerable place when she became friends with Jacob again in New Moon and instead of considering that he used it to take advantage of her.
I would love to see Michael Pena rail on summarizing the entire Twilight series like he does in Ant Man
Really, Bella's choice of becoming a vampire, was never in her hands. She was blocked from becoming one was because of Edward and the only reason she gets to become one is because the old a dirt vamafia would just straight kill her if she is not turn.
Don’t fool yourself. Bella was trying to find a way to force Edward to turn her. Encountering Aro took the choice NOT to turn Bella out of Edward’s hands. She very, very much wanted that and tried everything to get it. It was her choice. If I tell my husband I want ice cream for dessert, and he gets us ice cream for dessert, was dessert out of my hands when I got what I wanted and was trying ti get anyway?
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria The argument isn’t that Bella didn’t want to become a vampire. That blank slate only cared about being a young with Edward forever. The person is saying she had no say in when she got to be turned. It was always going to be when Edward allowed her to be a vampire.
That's not necessarily unfair though. I don't think Edward is necessarily obligated to turn Bella simply because that's what she wants. Bella has a right to choose what she wants, but she doesn't have the right to force Edward to make it happen. Since he's the one doing it, it frankly should be his decision.
Of course, that changes once the Volturi get involved. Since Edward mistake essentially put them all in danger, at that point you can argue Edward is obligated to turn her to ensure everyones safety.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria It is funny how the universe kept helping Bella get what she wanted. James bit her. The Volturi basically threaten to kill them all if she's not turned. And finally Bella gets a lifte threatening pregancy.
Can't help but think if Jasper had bitten Bella in New Moon, she would have thanked him for it later.