Leah was definitely one of the most sympathetic characters. Her boyfriend abandons her for her cousin, her father has a fatal heart attack upon realising she's a Werewolf, and everyone treats her horribly. Leah deserved better!
But she's rude to Bella and we all know that if you're rude to Bella (which in this case, calling everyone out on thier bs) then you must be just a mean meanie being mean.
She would be an interesting choice as partner, or friend, say screw you ed and jake and take of with her, could even be as friends. And getting character developement
Every time I hear about Leah, something new and even more messed up comes out. Her boyfriend abandons her for her cousin? Not just that, he scars her cousin! Then she’s forced to feel how “perfect” their relationship is in her mind! And every time she objects, everyone peer pressures her and Sam uses bullshit abuser powers to silence her! Sam won’t even let her leave the pack, seemingly content to let her stay there in pain for the rest of her life! When she does leave, he gets one of his lackeys to use emotional abuse (calling her by a pet name he used to use) to get her to come back! She’s the only female “warewolf” and it’s just an excuse for Meyer to abuse her because “she’s only a warewolf because she’s not “woman” enough”! This character needed a better writer who actually gave a shit
"there is a third option that has been thus far unexplored" That high school guy that asked bella out who seemed nice and just had a weak stomach for horror movies? "Being single" Well that too
It wasn't even his fault. I remember the book saying there was a stomach bug going around. And Bella is toxic in her own right. She ought stay single, for everyone's sake.
@@watchface6836 Thanks. It helps that I don't think of it as a political joke but a joke on how things are in reality (reality does include politics doesn't it?). The more it is real the more it is funny/it hurts.
IMO, it's a mark of a good writer, or one that is actively thinking about what would make for good writing, by constantly questioning if certain aspects make for bad writing, such as bell-for-brains believing she *_has_* to choose either edwardo or jacobi, and her not realizing that both are painfully dumb choices. Meyer on the other hand, if she were actually a good writer, would've questioned what she wrote, and ultimately, many things in the Twilight series would not been written, if the series at all.
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 yeah learning by contrast is underrated. I didn't realize how cringey I was until I watched i watched baki season 2 on Netflix. One of the main villains is really cringey trying to get with the main characters girlfriend when he frankly has no idea how much he sucks.
@@gracekim25 Obsessive shippers certainly do. Whether it's 2 straight men, a straight man and a straight woman, 2 gay men, 2 lesbian women, 2 bisexual people and all of them shippers believe friends are just potential couples in denial apparently. The Supernatural fandom for example were convinced that Sam and Dean Winchester, 2 straight brothers were secretly a gay incestuous couple to the insane extent they thought Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki their actors were too and that they were using their wives as beards. They weren't. The fans spouted bullshit about "gay coding and subtext" that supposedly "proved" it when really they just wanted Sam, Dean and Castiel to bang and were pulling anything out of their ass to justify their fantasies. But according to shippers telling them that a straight character isn't gay is apparently homophobia. It isn't. They just whine "I want them to be gay damn it therefore they are."
Tbf many gay fanfic relationships are more developed and interesting than canon het relationships. Idk why but movie writers don't really know how to develop romantic interest between characters. Since there's often more chemistry between (e.g.) two male friends / rivals than an MC and his girlfriend shipping happens The most famous example is Draco and Harry. Both in books and movies their relationship was more developed than between Harry and Ginny. At least in the books Ginny's character was a little bit more developed but it was still nothing in comparison to Draco There's also the lack of gay representation creating a demand but that's another thing
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 ah yes. The people who tried to kill one another on multiple occasions and of which 1 did naught but torment the other was so developed
I will never forget sitting in the theater watching Eclipse, and when Dr. Cullen says newborns are strong because they still have human blood, someone behind me muttered, "That... doesn't... MAKE SENSE!!"
Exactly. They're dead so they'd have no blood. In other vampire series vampires get stronger the longer they live but with Twilight it's stronger when newly turned and weak from there.
Maybe, and this is woefully stretching credulity, in the Twilightiverse, blood is crystalized inside the vampire and is burned off as the body matures? I dunno, I kinda forgot that whole plot point and yeah, it's fucking dumb. If newborns are just straight better, how has the Volturi never been overthrown by a Victoria style plan? For that matter, if newborns are stronger than the one who created them, how are they ever under control? Why would you put this plot hole in your swiss cheese of a book, it makes my brain hurt.
The fact that I had to google Mike Newton should be enough proof that he isn't really an option. Team Alice though? That's some good shipping right there!
15:21 I don't know why but I find Taylor Lautner's annoyance at not getting to be in the action scenes hilarious. Probably thinking bout how he had more action scenes in Sharkboy and Lavagirl than this.
Decent chance I’m misremembering Amanda the Jedi’s vid on Sharkboy and Lavagirl since it’s been a minute, but I believe they even made an extra scene where they let Taylor show off some of his martial arts skills
@Clay Chap but he wouldn't be Bat-man he'd be Wolf-man nanana wolf man! Thank you, your rotten Tomatos are right next to you and I expect to be hit by them soon
It's something I didn't think about until seeing that interview clip. Taylor Lautner is a martial artist and they never actually let him do any fighting. It's such a fucking wasted opportunity.
@@InoMercy well in the filmmakers defence, werewolves in the twilight universe can only fight off vampires in their wolf form. Though their strength and speed is far greater than humans in their human form, it’s far from being enough against a vampire without the expense of hurting themselves. Jacob would most definitely break his knuckles punching one vampire away at full force only to immediately get his head taken off with a slap by that same vampire.
@@silverwaveproductions4672 I'd give him idk a lot of humans trying to do something to Bella, like when Edward recued her but far closer to the final danger. He beats them all and there, nice scene. But they'd ruined even something THAT simple.
It would’ve been better if Jacob was just Bella’s childhood friend - who’s human btw - who had a crush on her and saw all the red flags Edward displayed and as a result, wanted her to break up with him. It wasn’t so he could get with Bella himself, but rather he wants her to be happy. This way this whole love triangle/character assassination doesn’t happened. I would also like to rewrite Victoria's power as well as how vampires get powers in general. First Vicky. I'd like her power to be essentially spidey-sense. She can sense danger and evade, which would make her jumping over Jacob more interesting/more believable. As for how vampires get their powers, I'd make it where the powers reflect the vampires personality.
I know, Meyer should have kept him that way, he was originally supposed to just be there to tell Bella about Edward being a vampire in Twilight but she kept him and gave a bigger role in New Moon, which obviously was a big mistake looking at how his character turned out
@@dorcat2867 I'm not sure you can say it was a mistake, given how huge the whole Team Edward vs Team Jacob debate got. Twilight became a legit global phenomenon, and a lot of that credit can go to the love triangle.
It would be better if Bella didn’t accept Edward back during new moon and he has to earn her back while Jacob sees the break up as a chance to win her over for himself. That’s much better than what they did in Eclipse.
@@KrimsonRogue I agree, you don’t see that very often in media. It’s quite brilliant and shows what can happen when you give a position of power to the wrong person who can easily use that to their advantage just to get that girl they really like to fall for them.
Twilight took a single video. New Moon took three. Eclipse took five By that math, it's possible that Breaking Dawn review will be full seven videos long. Oh boy
Her two choices reminds me of my high school relationship. My ex and I didn't share any hobbies or interests outside of each other's company and she was downright abusive in multiple ways at times but I felt like I had to be in a relationship. It's not romantic. It's hell.
@@AngryCerealMilk I'm good. This was some odd 7 years ago but I was with her for two years. Took a year before it soured and by that point I thought it was my fault. Thanks for the concern though. Means a lot.
The whole trilogy is just one gigantic red flag, also it would make a nice thriller if you think about it. A woman being manipulated and slowly isolated from her friends by a guy, who starts out as being a nice guy, but actually is a controlling monster who slowly makes her codependent on him and abuses her
@@alicekipourou6732 have you watched the video essay series on the Twilight books from Dominic Noble? He breaks them down brilliantly and highlights a few times where the books literally read as horror stories...
The Twilight fanbase has helped to encourage that delusion through their thinking that them liking her books somehow makes her a good author. There are good authors whose books people like because the author and books are good but liking the author doesn't guarantee quality.
She's shit at writing the books for ya/romance readers. These books could easily have been an excellent horror series. You can even see it in a few areas. These books are terrible, but they could have been utterly captivating with the genuinely horrific plot points.
Why didn’t Victoria simply have invisibility? Or intangibility, teleportation, etc.? Any of those powers could make her elusive and would make more sense than “knowing where to hide”.
Ya know, funny enough. Having the power to know where to hide is better than knowing when. It could manifest like those old stealth game where you could see the lines of sights of bad guys so you can hide from them. Lol
I don't mean to defend the series lol actually more so defending the power itself. It's not "knowing when to hide" It's called 'Enhanced Self-Preservation' Basically the body/mind reacts to dangerous situations accordingly to preserve ones life. In the film/book when Victoria is shaking uncontrollably when Edward is taunting her, it's probably her own desire for revenage over riding this, but her body is telling her to "GTFO of there he's going to kill you." Now because these books weren't meant to exist (It was meant to be twilight than New Moon) Stephanie added in the power to victoria for plot's sake.
@@KrimsonRogue *que evil joker laugh* I've read the books myself trust me its worse than all the rest combined. Also lovely to get a comment from you, you made a great series of videos recently. Great as always!
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yes, really. Their climaxes have lots of plotholes and stupid shit. Before you say "plotholes don't matter" remember that Krimsonrogue cares about plotholes.
@@night-seeker666 before you say, it has has lots of plotholes, you might want to actually list some first so it doesn't look like you're just calling anything you don't understand a plothole. Like I said, when talking weak climaxes we referring to endings that feel like climaxes do how underwhelming it is. It's fine if you don't like those climaxes, but they aren't within the context of this conversation.
I have a question: isn’t Alice related to Ed in some fashion?😅 and um technically the sexuality thing isn’t a choice. But again I’m not against it I’m just sharing the um logical errors for the possibility of this working 😅 but um at least in fanfiction, it can work
@@jazz-cat00 No. An incel is someone who blames people of the gender they fancy for their inability to get a girlfriend or boyfriend and thinks they're entitled to sex and a relationship. They say they're "involuntary celibate" as if they're being prevented from having sex when it's their own bad personalities and attitudes doing that.
Taylor Lautner has incredible gymnastic abilities. He does some cool fight scenes in the British sitcom Cuckoo and actually acts very well in it. Maybe comedy suits him more.
this couldve been solved by just making the lady draw blood from her arm instead of, yknow, a knife to the gut. but she underestimated how quickly said vampire would react and she got attacked and died from her wounds. yeezus
Usually heterosexual female incels are just called incels (the first self-described incel was a woman, even), "femcels" usually being the lesbian equivalent of straight male incels (creeping on straight women and trying to convince them to be lesbian instead of moving on and dating girls who already are). Splitting hairs though, and it's not like any of these groups _formally_ exist in any capacity.
@@RoninCatholic I I though female incels were called Legbeards, even though neckbeards aren't necessarilyl incels, even if there is HUGE intersection between the two groups
Nah, legbeards aren’t necessarily incels. If you read the wolf beard saga by One of those Reddit UA-cam channels (Fun With Failure), legbeards are basically male versions of neck beards. Bad hygiene, warped sense of entitlement, terrible in social situations, and having some pop culture obsession that dominates how they live their life.
Yea I'm convinced she is, you don't have to be having sex to not be an incel, it's a behaviour. Onision is a good example, he's (somehow) gotten laid a lot but he still acts like an incel
17:04 The Hobbit did have a rather anti-climactic end to Smaug, but that's because Smaug wasn't the point. Bilbo's arc was the question of whether or not he would be brave enough to go on an adventure and face Smaug; which he did. Their *physical* goal, meanwhile, was to get the treasure back for the dwarves. The Battle of the Five Armies needed to be resolved because everybody else wanted the gold and treasure.
It seems like the overwhelming trend in popular YA fiction is to have a love triangle that really isn't a triangle at all. The option is almost always obvious. It feels like giving the readers more choice to pick a male character they can develop feelings for, rather than presenting the protagonist with an actual choice.
But that's the funny thing about Twilight. It was perhaps the most obvious lopsided love triangle I had ever seen in fiction up to that point, as it was ridiculously obvious who Bella would choose. Yet despite that, it has become arguably the most iconic love triangle in modern fiction. Readers apparently did make choices on which male protagonist to support almost DESPITE the narrative. I always was suprised how Meyers was able to pull that off. But for what it's worth, I actually liked that Bella wasn't indecisive or flipping back and forth between her choices. She knew who she wanted, stuck with that person, and made her opinon for the most part clear to readers and her suitors. It would bother me more if she had flipped flopped and kept changing her mind. She STILL bothered me in a lot of ways, but at least he straight up told Jacob where he stood.
You’re actually literally correct. Meyer has been open about this shit being the result of a dream she had of HERSELF with a teen vampire in a field, and he wants to eat her. It’s so much a self-insert that Bella’s home in Arizona is the one where Meyer grew up, and the ballet school Bella got smashed in was where Meyer took classes as a kid. Lauren, one of Bella’s “friends,” is based on someone Meyer didn’t like in high school, and there are cut scenes from the book of Lauren getting really mistreated for no good reason.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria ,.....I was joking, but welp I guess she's coo coo for coco puffs. That is also very petty, I barely remember anyone from highschool.
"Jacob's outbursts never directly hurts Bella" Me thinking about that hammer he throw at her general direction when he found ou she was planning on becaming a vampire: ok then..... °-°
Same here. I make video games and sometimes I worry the characters are too flawed, or too mundane, or aren't memorable enough. Then I remember Stephanie Meyer managed to take two of the most famous supernatural creatures in the world and turn them into a bland soup of teenage drama and constant self-retconning rules.
I remember the reaction from the crowd on opening night. The disappointed screams, boos, and multiple “what the fuck?!” cries were amazing. The only time I felt that kind of energy again was with Endgame, except in Endgame everyone was cheering in happiness.
I believe that should have hade the Italian vampire come in for a visit to check up on bella being turned and the possible vampire child. They see she has been turned and the kid is only half vampire ( which gives them ideas) and they leave...which maybe a sequel in the works. Better then putting a idea for a fight that was never going to happen to begin with.
And since he took advantage of Esme being suicidal to turn her and make her his wife and took advantage of Rosalie being raped to try and make her Edward's wife he's hardly compassionate.
This has been an amazing week for me. First, I finally got a job, then I'm passing my classes to transfer to the university, and now this amazing video? Thank you so much Krimson! 😄😄😄😄😄😄
Bella, the Cullens and Jacob's pack never suffer any consequences for what they do. And her talking about fantasy love and reality love was funny because she understands neither.
@@Xehanort10 The only people to be affected by negative consequences in this series (well books) are the Clearwaters. I mean demon baby is bad but that's not what Meyer is talking about. Edit-The pack itself is a consequence of Bella and the Cullens, if Vicky hadn't been around there would be no wolves.
These romance tropes are common throughout many YA novels. It’s usually a fight between a couple awful guys. At the same time, many teenage girls want the “bad boy” who tends to act like a child when they don’t get their ways. It’s time to put real romance back in literature.
I love writing about real/healthy romances and relationships because you see that in real life from the exciting moments to painful shifts (loss of family for example) that can happen at any moment. Also, Horimiya is a good rom-com anime. Love it.
I would legit settle for just putting the amount of work put into a better-than-average Harlequin Romance in mainstream literature. Standards have really bottomed out in the last few decades.
I just realized what would be a great story: a married vampire couple who have fallen in love at their teenage years, got turned and after a few years have fallen out of love. Now they’re stuck together for eternity and can’t stand each other
It'd be more creative than the cliche "2 vampires live happily in immortal undead bliss" thing. And realistically that's how Bella and Edward's relationship would end up. Because if Bella was arrogant, whiny, selfish, insufferable and narcissistic imagine how much worse she is as a vampire. Despite the sappy kissing in a field of flowers ending of Breaking Dawn I guarantee after about a year Edward would realise what a mistake he made and that eternity with Bella Swan is worse than vampirism.
Meyers religious beliefs are very present in the subtext of how the relationships are written. Bella and Edward can’t have sex until they’re married, despite that they also express that a vampire having sex with a mortal could be deadly to the mortal but that’s just tossed aside where as marriage was positioned as the most important issue on hand. Bella basically disregards and disposes on any relationship with her own family to become a part of the Cullens which is a very archaic notion in some Christian beliefs. When your daughter married she’s no longer your child but HIS wife. They place such importance on family but only really Edwards
Newborns were created for filler, most of New Moon and Eclipse was created for filler because Meyer was given 3 sequels instead of the planned 1. If anyone is curious about Vicky's original role, basically she was going to be the tattletale in Forever Dawn and created Riley to cover her tracks.
@@littlesparrow303 Sadly Jacob doesn't escape his fate in the original draft, but he also doesn't fall for Bella and become an entitled Nice Guy either so it's a little less creepy.
Yeah she made good points that I didn’t notice that Alice & Bella would be a nice couple. Honestly I wouldn’t mind if she did that since Bella knew both guys were bad for her
Taylor Lautner's hope to do something cool in the war is so relatable, he's so passionate about it too. And then he gets replaced by a wolf....... As if Jacob's character wasn't damning enough they won't even let him throw a punch unless its him being a prick or a wolf
hell it would make more sense if victoria's power was something like controlling newborns or being able to reduce blood lust in those around her (also explains why the newborns can be tactical and why they aren't drowning in the blood of innocents)
Personally I had an idea in my head about a Vicky confrontation in the previous book. It also makes Bella less pathetic too. Bella jumps off the cliff to escape Vicky, well not exactly escape. In my version Bella's grown past her hallucinations and need for danger to get them (and Jacob as well in favor of a half sister character I made up, but that's a whole other beast for another time.) and is just out for a hike/picnic while enjoying the view of the ocean. She finds it peaceful. That's when Vicky shows up. Vicky corners her, but rather than just killing her right then and there, Vicky toys with her for a bit, getting pleasure out of seeing her prey scared. That's a character flaw of both her and James, they like playing with their food before going in for the kill. It's a reason they fell for each other in the first place. However Vicky gets distracted by the scent of the wolves for a split second, which gives Bella just enough to jump off of the cliff. Also in my version cliff diving for fun off that cliff in particular isn't a thing. She never saw Sam and the others do it, so as far as she's concerned jumping is basically suicide especially given the weather at the time. Basically Bella knows she can't get away but rather than letting herself be horribly killed she chooses to to take her life into own her hands and jumps fully expecting to die. She doesn't like either option and doesn't want to die, that's made very clear in the text, but by jumping at least her death is on her own terms rather than giving Vicky the satisfaction of making her her lunch. It's just pure luck that Jake saves her (and as I mentioned before she's actually grown distant towards him in favor of my Original Sister character, whom she'd have a much healthier relationship with (but again another beast for another time)) so she honestly doesn't even really know what the hell Jake's been up to or where he is. It's kinda similar to what Peeta said to Katniss the night before the first Hunger Games, he wants to die as himself. It's just a rough idea but since Krim shared his rewrite, I thought I'd share mine. .
"to save her from the monster" - then he should also save her from himself self-reflection is the magic word, and comming to terms with one's flaws and overcome them to become a better version of oneself, but neither Meyer nor her figures are capable of that
If you think Bella & Edward is a bad coupling, then you should never read "Killing Stalking." The author has even stated this isn't supposed to be a romance, yet the fanbase refuses to see it otherwise.
THANK YOU! Killing stalking isn’t a romance, it’s a thriller about two very messed up people and their warped concepts of love! Sure, “love” is a factor, but it’s not propped up like this ideal romance. (No offense to those who ship, but I seriously don’t see what you see.)
Romance fanbases could watch Halloween and instead of knowing Michael Myers is a psychopathic serial killer who wants to murder Laurie Strode they'd think he was a poor shy guy trying to get her attention and she'd be accused of "not giving him a chance." Scream's Billy Loomis would be seen as a misunderstood lad who just needed a shoulder to cry on after his mother abandoned him. Leatherface tormenting Sally Hardesty at the Sawyer dinner table with his family in Texas Chainsaw Massacre would be read by them as awkward flirting despite him being a cannibalistic serial killer.
Even in a good love triangle someone deciding "screw this, I'm done" is a choice I'd like to see more often. 7:04 Did Meyer think that the best route was "Bella is 'fixing' him" and that is not only outdated, but dangerous.
35:55 Meyer's probably convinced Bella went through loads of character growth when she's the exact same at the end of Breaking Dawn as at the start of Twilight. Completely obsessed with and dependent on Edward.
THe obsessed part is true, but you can argue the Cullens are now dependent on her rather than the other way around. She's basically their secret weapon against the Volturi now. She's at least his equal now.
To be fair, giving her superspeed above of even other vampires would have been a bad idea. At least from my experience. If I had a penny for every instance of terribly executed and portrayed speedsters across nearly all of fiction I'd own the entire world. And the worst part is that I couldn't even blame Meyer for the inevitable wave of Plot Induced Stupidity scenes that would come out of Vicky because speedsters are just that hard to write since the very nature of being that much faster than anyone else both in movement, combat and reaction is one of the most broken shits that could ever exist. You make them actually competent, the story ends in one second. You try to give them any physical challenge or obstacle, and it's most likely that they will look just as dumb as Quicksilver during his death in Age of Ultron.
If Eclipse was a 5 Part review, I bet Breaking Dawn will be at least 6 depending on what Krimson discusses about (including that really creepy moment where Jacob imprints off of a baby 😨)
There’s potential for 10 parts. The blatant racism, how imprinting leads to pedophilia and grooming as well as horrifically strips the guys of their own agency as well since they literally get no choice, more racism...so many things that could be a video or two each.
You already know I said screw sleep and woke up at the sound of the upload XD. To this day I do not know how Twilight got even half as large as it did. It’s such bad writing and the movies are not like good storytelling. I’ve been binging all your TBWB reviews since I’m currently working on book two of a trilogy I’m writing and absolutely love your insight and comments. You’re probably one of the most well thought out and literate people on the internet so I take your advice seriously.
If the Cullens did learn different forms of martial arts, I can imagine Alice, Carlisle, and Emmett picking a style. For Alice with the assistance of her ability and being nimble, baguazhang would suit her. Carlisle seems like the person to apprehend the attacker and try to talk sense after gaining the upper hand, so jujitsu might work. As for Emmett, based off of his physical features and natural strength, judo would definitely work for him.
Mr rogue i just want to say that your reviews including this one actually made me appreciate fruits basket, which you showed in this video. ITS really a better love triangle than this POS. I just wish Kyo and Yuki could show Jake and ed how to have a better love triangle
3:26 The "soulmate", "love at first sight" and "destined to be together" are just excuses for bad writing in romance. People fall in love while getting to know each other over a long time. You don't just meet and look at someone once and instantly love them. That's not how it works. People getting together just happens sometimes. It's not destiny. People aren't fated to get together from the day they're born. The soulmate thing is just sometimes sappy "I love you so much it feels like I was always meant to be with you" metaphorical stuff but shippers take it literally.
Even fanfics that use "soulmates' tropes actually put in effort to build a lore around it and characters take time to find common interests before fully commiting.
10:50 Which is something Snape defenders in the Harry Potter fandom believe as well. They think the fact that Lily Evans later Potter was his friend for years meant she had to go out with and have sex with him and that being abused as a child and bullied at school somehow entitles him to sex and a relationship out of pity. It doesn't. They say James Potter "stole" Lily from Snape, talking about her as if she was a possession that belonged to the greaseball. Snape fans treat Lily starting to date James after he grew up a bit, became less arrogant, stopped hexing people for the hell of it and so on as cruel torment because James not liking their little Sevvie poo makes him an irredeemable monster on the level of the likes of Freddy Krueger, The Joker, Michael Myers, Claude Frollo and Dexter's Trinity Killer.
Honestly i look at Snape as a guy who ruined his friendship and love for someone cause of his own anger and hatred of a person. But when he lost his only true friend. He came to regret it but found himself sinking deeper into darkness but when he finds out she is going to be killed he snaps back and wants to protect her in a way. But ultimately fails and hates himself but never got the help to handle the trouble
Same people thinks it's noble that he asked for Lily to be spared, even the books called him out on that. He was also such a bully to Neville that Snape was literally his worst fear and the man who help torture his parents into insanity was a better teacher to Neville.
@@CoolG97 It's why I don't buy Rowling's last minute attempt to portray Snape as some tragic hero in Deathly Hallows. At Hogwarts he was a bully who hung around with people who did far worse than James and Sirius did to him, said using dark magic on innocent students was a laugh, "thanked" Lily for stopping James from bullying him by calling her a filthy little Mudblood, wanted to and eventually did join the Death Eaters who wanted to kill Lily and all Muggleborns like her and thought she'd be impressed by that. As a Death Eater he probably did horrible things to loads of innocents. Then there's him admitting to Dumbledore that he asked Voldemort to kill James and Harry so he could have Lily to himself proving his so called "love" for her was an obsession. And he only wanted Voldemort dead because him killing Lily meant he couldn't use the deaths of a grieving wife and mother's husband and son to get her to love him. He didn't feel guilty about his Death Eater crimes or want to make up for them. If Voldemort had gone after Neville Snape would have been a loyal Death Eater until the day he died. He's a villain working with the heroes against a bigger villain, not the hero, anti hero or morally grey or ambiguous character Rowling treats him as.
@@CoolG97 The sick reason Snape bullied Neville was evil too. Because Snape had wanted Voldemort to kill the Longbottoms so in Snape's manchild mind Neville had to be punished for Voldemort not choosing to kill him and his parents. I'll always stand by the belief that Rowling was going to reveal that Snape had been loyal to Voldemort all along and that him killing Dumbledore was originally a cold blooded murder. Then while writing Deathly Hallows she decided to give Snape a cliche backstory involving childhood abuse and the whole "creepy obsession with Lily Rowling wants us to believe was love" as his reason for switching sides. Dumbledore's burned hand was changed so that it carried a curse that would slowly and painfully kill him in a year's time and the kill was retconned into Snape putting Dumbledore out of his misery.
At least White Wolf is pretty explicit about the fact that every property is about monsters. They're violent, have inhuman urges and natures that do not go away and cause real problems with consequences, and the benefits are counterbalanced both by other monsters who hate you and real erosion of humanity over time that just never properly heals.
When you said there was one unexplored option I thought you were about to save Mike and Newton lol, to be fair three of the humans are romantic interests for a bit it's just Bella didn't care about any of them so I don't think that's just because they're not romantic insects I think it's just because she's a judgy person, because Mike, Eric, and Tyler all asked her to the dance and all seemed interested in her and she didn't care about any of them
I just now realized that your credits music is from Halo 3: ODST's soundtrack... and that proves that you not only have great taste in shows (DBZ Abridged), but also video games. Good job, Book Jesus... can't wait to see what's next.
Ok but imagine if Jacob and Ed really ended up toghether Pros: *They won't easily hurt each other (at least not physically) *They'll live toghether forever without turning their significant other *It would be a true Romeo and Juliet story but with a happy ending *They would be toxic to each other instead of spreading it into the world *No p€do bullshit Cons: ??? There's no Team Jacob or Team Edward There's Team Jacob x Edward
They would still have to be careful because it's revealed in Breaking Dawn (book) that vampire venom kills the wolfs so ed would still have to be careful but not nearly as careful as with Bella
Jacob doesn't live forever angelika. Also being toxic to each other isn't really a pro since Jacob shared his thoughts with his pack involuntarily, there would still be questionable age gaps, and biological problems as well. I get you want a gay couple, but you can do better than this.
@@fightingmedialounge519 theoretically Jake could live forever as long as he keeps shifting regularly in the books it says he physically grew ti be about 25 years old and won't start aging again until he slows down and stops his shifting so if he wanted to be with the ed boy he just has to make sure he's shifting into a wolf rather regularly.
@Tam 003 Not really. She's constantly in danger of being bitten bc she smells nice. Meanwhile Jacob stinks bc werewolf logic. Jacob is still less killable than an average teen and if he keeps his turnings he'll be close to an immortal. He can also create his personal pack so he doesn't have to project his angst on other wolves
Imagine having a really cool battle that could be fun to explore...and you fucking leave it out because leaving Bella's perspective is a no-no. Then again, imagine treating these 'fresh' vampires like such a threat, but not bothering to bring any swords or spears. Forget martial arts, just run them through when they charge like disorganized rabble, and then do the awkward looking beheading while they're stuck. Also, I know this is just the rambling of some guy who has not even watched the Twilight movies, but would Alice be a better match for Bella than either of the abusers? I know Alice's hands aren't clean either, but any port in a storm if you have to stick to Meyer's in universe rule of 'end up in a relationship at all costs'.
The more videos I watch of people reviewing these books, the more I’m convinced that subconsciously Meyer wrote a story about what it’s like to become a Mormon.
Could you maybe not insult other people’s religion? Even as someone raised in and still active in that particular faith these books have always seemed unappealing, and people assuming I would be a fan just because I’m a Mormon who likes reading has been a source of great frustration. The story isn’t bad because the author is Mormon, they’re bad because she isn’t a good writer and has horrible ideas about what’s romantic.
Meyer definitely wrote convincing manipulation, brain washing, gaslighting, and abuse. And never noticed. Can't help but feel that these were true to her own life. Remember, Bella is a placeholder for herself. But whether this is because of her experience with Mormonism or from other life events or both is just speculation.
@@dustincompton992 For one it’s the commenter’s opinion, not fact. For another, regardless of how you personally feel about Mormonism, it has frequently been described as a cult with many deeply unhealthy attitudes toward relationships. I won’t force evidence on you but it is there if you feel like looking. Maybe Meyer is just a bad writer and it has nothing to do with her faith. But that doesn’t invalidate the opinion of the original commenter.
@@dustincompton992 Mormonism has been open about how white skin is a sign of favor and dark skin is sin. Black people weren’t even allowed until the late 1970’s. A literal outright racial ban. Mormonism is an EXTREMELY problematic religion founded by a scammer who was backed into a corner and killed by some of his pissed off followers who’d had enough. If you don’t like hearing that, then maybe you should reconsider your beliefs. I left Scientology because I listened and couldn’t make reasonable counterpoints and then it all fell into place one night at the center, so I literally walked out and never went back. And while you’re at it, maybe you should think about how problematic it is to go to other countries to try to push your religion onto disadvantaged people and how disrespectful it is to go accost people at their homes to try to get them to convert. You don’t have to talk about insult when it comes to religion, not when your religion has taken it upon itself to force itself onto others who aren’t asking. YOU have participated in this. Two years of mission, I believe?
It's always baffled me that while SMeyer was clearly trying to appeal to some vague superhero angle by making all the special vampires have special powers, but most of the powers in question are lame like "sensing relationships" and there's barely any troperiffic but intimidating powers like telekinesis or shapeshifting or glamouring.
We started to see more intimidating powers in Break Dawn. But I think if there's too much emphasis on the gifts, it starts to take away from the feeling that it's a vampre story. I always thought Vampre Academy for example felt almost more like the Last Air Bender than a vampre story.
Knowing Myers is Mormon kinda puts into perspective alot of things from the saga. The weird attitude towards men and marriage as well as why she's "destined" for Ed
Thought I just had. It would have been an interesting twist that edward was at least of the bloodline of a wolf pack and that's why he has mind reading powers and is so distrusting of werewolves.
Of course, Bella doesn't possess the intelligence that God gave a goldfish, so of course she wouldn't get that it's a bad idea to be caught up between two guys who give off more red flags than the Beijing Olympics.
For extra fun during the credits: replace the soundtrack with "Vampire Money" by MCR, which is their response to being asked to contribute to the soundtrack
Thanks so much for these videos Krimson, as someone who wants to write a story with a potential romance, there's a LOT that I got to look out for. For starters, I rather that the two main leads in my story start off as friends whose personalities play off each other. Its tapping into subverting the brooding and the whimsical pairing trope and for the most part, I'd prefer to focus on their friendship, putting romance second or even third. Whatever happens happens. It's actually an interesting idea if they ended up NOT being together but still chilling as close friends, showing respect, boundaries, and learning to move on. Now I dont KNOW if this is where the path will inevitably lead, but it's a fun idea that I could explore in another story. Thanks for suffering these books for us and giving us the scope of avoiding bad takes on relationships, hope you recover from the hellish experience!
The biggest issue with Twilight, most notably the main characters isn't that they are all damaged, dysfunctional and idiotic people. Its that they are all those things and the story validates them without any hint of irony, tragedy, or consequences. The worst part is that it didn't have to be that way. Myer could have taken the batshit she wrote and really run with it to portray a dark romance. But she doesn't seem to care and is very content with giving her audience something of this low quality, even as wish fulfillment.
"She has to consider who to chose and what she has to give up." Ideally, being in a relationship doesn't mean giving up anything you truly care for. In a healthy relationship, you can keep doing all the things you loved doing being single. Why force yourself to give something up just so you can fit into someone elses life? When will these people learn that you can be just as happy being single as you can be in a healthy relationship. However, if you enter a relationship needing the other person to make you happy, it's a recipe for disaster. Because noone wants the responsibility of being the only person that keeps someone happy.
There are normal things to give up, basically complete control over shared things and decisions about them. Who pays the rent/mortgage? Or how much does each pay? If you go out for the night, you give up not needing to let someone know you’ll be gone. Things of that nature. This is why people who are crazy attracted to each other and in love will still wait a while before diving it. There are things that merge and become shared. But there shouldn’t be sacrifices about who someone is, or giving up anything major. Giving up your family? Total control of your life? Yeah, no.
Lucky thing about Bella is she basically got everything she wanted without having to give anything up. She got to be a vampire while still being able to marry and have a child with Edward, while still keeping Jacob and Charlie in her life. It's why Twilight, as ugly as it got, can technically be viewed as wish fullfilment.
The idea that this whole book is "Team Edward" or "Team Jacob" is stupid. I'd say I'm "Team Bella", but really, I'm more "Team Everyone Else" at this point. The worst part is that I'd be willing to deal with (and honestly even enjoy) dark relationships if portrayed fairly and not romanticized, and if the action sequences/climax was passable. Even that was a fail - only Breaking Dawn has this beat. I'm just going to continue pretending that when Edward left in New Moon, everything ended, Bella returned to normal, Jacob remained a normal friend, and everyone - especially Leah, that poor lady - had their happily ever after. In other news, I jumped into Twilight fanfiction, and my god are the fans way better. They took all the lost potential, did some cool rewrites, major fix-its, almost universally dumped both the Bella/Edward and Bella/Jacob ships - Bella/Rosalie and Bella/Alice were the most popular (I assumed Alice would be the winner, but apparently it was Rosalie), with Bella/Jasper and Jacob/Edward not too far behind. Heck, even rarepairs like Bella/Carlisle and Bella/Leah showed up a bit more than either canon pair. And every single one of those pairs is actually portrayed in a healthier way, actually had chemistry, gave Bella an actual personality, agency, and friends. I'd even argue that all of those platonic pairs had more chemistry in canon than the supposed romantic canon pair. Ah yes, and actually half-decent plot lines, making the Volturi the genuine threat that Meyer could only wish she'd thought of. The fans are more fans of the world setting rather than the books, and hey - props to them. Really, it's a wild ride and I'm having fun...
Twilight fanfic can be wonderful. I'm following a fic where Jacob Imprints on Leah and the drama comes not from Jacob being a possessive jerk but because he doesn't want to make Leah uncomfortable because of all the crap she's going through. It doesn't fixed Imprinting but it does talk how messed up it is at least. Edit-I have a theory that platonic pairings tend to have more chemistry than romantic pairings is because writers don't think they need to put effort into romantic pairings.
@@CoolG97 I'm currently on two fics. One is a Bella/Rosalie fic and my god, it is so unapologetically queer and like a super cute rom-com that also deals with the seriousness of the whole vampire/Volturi situation. The other is a Bella/Carlisle rarepair - at first I was weirded out by this, but the author caught my attention by explicitly calling it a "fix-it" and "Twilight rewrite". But what really won me over with that fic was the explicitly platonic and very cute bromances that Bella has with Edward and Jacob - actually healthy and light-hearted friendships that still take the situation seriously, and the ship was actually a healthy dynamic and the Volturi were actually a threat. Heck, I even read an imprinting fic too - one where Jacob imprints on Edward and actually has a major mental crisis, given that werewolves and vampires stand in opposition - actual relationship tension. The creativity is something else... I'm probably going to binge the f/f Bella ship tags, lol
@@zaramikazuki8374 I'll be honest I don't read a lot of Bella-centric stuff, I usually prefer the pack or Volturi because they are a wealth of lore and underdevelopment, but I happy people were able to make something out of that hunk of wood.
@@CoolG97 I totally get it - the fact that Bella is a total blank slate makes her very hit/miss. Because she's empty, on one hand, there is little worldbuilding around her and there are so many other cooler things - like the wolves or the Volturi (which I'm also guilty of - I've done quite a few Volturi-centric fics too!). But on the other hand, actually decent authors have a blank slate to essentially write a cool character onto and a total blank canvas, and I find an allure in the wide range of possibilities there. I've seen snarky/sarcastic Bella, nerdy bookworm Bella, actually goth Bella, preppy Bella, laid-back country Bella, and more. All of which are vast improvements on original Bella. Blank canvasses are great for fanfiction, or for CharacterXReader fics - but for actual published mainstream fiction like Twilight is just... ugh.
@@zaramikazuki8374 Yeah Bella is such a blank slate that adding in OC sister/cousin characters seems redundant. It also helps when fanfics include non-romantic related drama, (I have an idea for what-if Charlie and Sue got together before Bella returned. That detail alone offers a lot of potential.) or actually have real consequences for Bella. (And the Cullens, they get away with too much.) And I agree, published!Bella is more at home in fanfics than most fanfic!Bellas.
"No, you try to make everyone else happy. " Funny that :-D When has she EVER made ANYTHING except things that make HER happy? She didn't think about anyone else when she decided she's in love with Edward and wants to be a vampire with him for ever and ever and ever and ever. She didn't think about her parents. She didn't think about her classmates one bit. She just decided what everyone else would want, and went by it, without ever actually asking what others might want. That Alice "got" to play with the wedding and plan it and all, that was only because she didn't give a crap about it. I hate that kind of "mommypulation". "I am sacrificing myself for YOUR HAPPINESS; so you better do everything I want!" I suppose it's people who think mommypulation is something admirable, wannabe mommies, who love these books.
The only reason Meyer portrays Bella as this kind and selfless person who never thinks of herself only others is because Bella is her self insert and that's the type of person Meyer thinks she is. When in reality Bella only cares about herself, expects others to care about her when she doesn't care about them, treats her dad awfully, calls her friends evil traitors for not putting up with her Edward obsession and so on. Much like Meyer's a womanchild who called publishers who rejected Twilight mean, bragged about "taking the high road" in regards to the rejections, couldn't handle criticism and asked her brother to delete it, on the set of the first Twilight film even when Robert Pattinson wasn't filming scenes in character she tried to force him to pretend to be Edward and kept calling him by the character's name and when he'd had enough and said "My name is Robert" she threw a tantrum and tried to have him fired because he wouldn't play along with her sad little fantasy. She treated a human being like he was a doll in her dollhouse and yet acted like she was the one who'd been wronged.
Thank you for the hard work put into this saga of videos! I know you must be devastated to be finished with Eclipse, but worry not! The ride's not over yet 😁
Having a wannabe alpha male buzz around like a fly and not listen nor respect what you have fully expressed is the most stressful situation I have ever been, plain creepy. I hate him.
I kind of liked Vicky's power. Though I maybe interpret it differently that Meyer intended. Vicky's power, to me, was that if there was a way to escape danger, then she would instinctively know of it. And that makes her essentially impossible to catch, since she can outmanoeuvre everyone and everything. And this posed a challenge to Cullens and wolfs, since only way to deal with Vicky is to make her ignore her own power. Ergo, piss her off enough, that she will ignore magical alarm bell until it's too late.
As someone who was really into Twilight in early high school, I think one of the biggest issues (other than glorifying literally every possible type of partner/parental abuse) is the fact that it idealized freezing in time. Bella had no plans or goals that could possibly have made her happy -- she was upset over the fact that she turned 18! I remember turning 17 and thinking my life was over, having no real goals other than falling on love with my crush. I spent formative years disregarding my talents and desires because I was anxious and naive -- and the most influential narrative of the time told me I was right to do so
That's a good point, one I hadn't considered. I think that really shows how incredibly vapid this series really is. There are so many bad lessons and writing mistakes that you could probably spend DAYS discussing them.
I think it's because Meyer may not have wanted to really sacrifice anything when turning into a vampire. Since Bella doesn't need to really give up anything to become a Vampire there's no real conflict other than Ed or Jake saying it's bad. If she wants to take a walk in the sun, that's fine as long as she's not seen by others. She can't get a job or career because she can't age, well she doesn't have any dreams or goals outside of Ed, so it doesn't matter. She probably won't see her friends or family again after a few years. Doesn't matter, she wasn't really close to them and after all, she has the Cullens. The only real thing she would be giving up is motherhood, and even that she gets in the last book. If she did have anything to look forward to after graduating, it may put her getting together with Ed in a bad light.
Leah was definitely one of the most sympathetic characters. Her boyfriend abandons her for her cousin, her father has a fatal heart attack upon realising she's a Werewolf, and everyone treats her horribly. Leah deserved better!
But she's rude to Bella and we all know that if you're rude to Bella (which in this case, calling everyone out on thier bs) then you must be just a mean meanie being mean.
Not to mention how Leah is basically just a punching bag to Meyer by using her to take a swipe at infertility
She would be an interesting choice as partner, or friend, say screw you ed and jake and take of with her, could even be as friends. And getting character developement
I Like Leah hate that she’s treated as the Meg
Every time I hear about Leah, something new and even more messed up comes out. Her boyfriend abandons her for her cousin? Not just that, he scars her cousin! Then she’s forced to feel how “perfect” their relationship is in her mind! And every time she objects, everyone peer pressures her and Sam uses bullshit abuser powers to silence her! Sam won’t even let her leave the pack, seemingly content to let her stay there in pain for the rest of her life! When she does leave, he gets one of his lackeys to use emotional abuse (calling her by a pet name he used to use) to get her to come back! She’s the only female “warewolf” and it’s just an excuse for Meyer to abuse her because “she’s only a warewolf because she’s not “woman” enough”! This character needed a better writer who actually gave a shit
"there is a third option that has been thus far unexplored"
That high school guy that asked bella out who seemed nice and just had a weak stomach for horror movies?
"Being single"
Well that too
His awkward asking her out made him far more likeable in 30 seconds than Edward in over 2 hours.
It wasn't even his fault. I remember the book saying there was a stomach bug going around. And Bella is toxic in her own right. She ought stay single, for everyone's sake.
Mike is too good for Bella
A L I C E is the third option!
@@athetopofmylungs would you want edward as a brother in law?
"Lesser of two evils is not how you choose a romantic partner". Of course not, that is how you pick who to vote for!
I had a dark laugh at this.
🤣
true though lol
Typically speaking, I despise political humor. That being said, this is amazing.
@@watchface6836 Thanks. It helps that I don't think of it as a political joke but a joke on how things are in reality (reality does include politics doesn't it?). The more it is real the more it is funny/it hurts.
I love how krimson teaches more about healthy relationships then 99% of dating advice channels on youtube.
Friend: Hey I need some dating advice do you know any good channels?
Me: Yea go watch Book Jesus' deep dive on Twilight and 50 Shades
Friend: ?
@@bioticjedi3864 vash enters the chat:" learn by contrast, this is what not to do, love and peace!!!"
IMO, it's a mark of a good writer, or one that is actively thinking about what would make for good writing, by constantly questioning if certain aspects make for bad writing, such as bell-for-brains believing she *_has_* to choose either edwardo or jacobi, and her not realizing that both are painfully dumb choices.
Meyer on the other hand, if she were actually a good writer, would've questioned what she wrote, and ultimately, many things in the Twilight series would not been written, if the series at all.
It helps to have a good example of what NOT to do to work off of.
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 yeah learning by contrast is underrated. I didn't realize how cringey I was until I watched i watched baki season 2 on Netflix. One of the main villains is really cringey trying to get with the main characters girlfriend when he frankly has no idea how much he sucks.
7:16 Meyer with the shipper mentality of "There's no such thing as friendship. Everything's romantic and sexual."
The slightly scary mentality. Also hello Xehanort 🤣
I get the impression that people hate friendships 😅
@@gracekim25 Obsessive shippers certainly do. Whether it's 2 straight men, a straight man and a straight woman, 2 gay men, 2 lesbian women, 2 bisexual people and all of them shippers believe friends are just potential couples in denial apparently. The Supernatural fandom for example were convinced that Sam and Dean Winchester, 2 straight brothers were secretly a gay incestuous couple to the insane extent they thought Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki their actors were too and that they were using their wives as beards. They weren't. The fans spouted bullshit about "gay coding and subtext" that supposedly "proved" it when really they just wanted Sam, Dean and Castiel to bang and were pulling anything out of their ass to justify their fantasies. But according to shippers telling them that a straight character isn't gay is apparently homophobia. It isn't. They just whine "I want them to be gay damn it therefore they are."
Tbf many gay fanfic relationships are more developed and interesting than canon het relationships. Idk why but movie writers don't really know how to develop romantic interest between characters. Since there's often more chemistry between (e.g.) two male friends / rivals than an MC and his girlfriend shipping happens
The most famous example is Draco and Harry. Both in books and movies their relationship was more developed than between Harry and Ginny. At least in the books Ginny's character was a little bit more developed but it was still nothing in comparison to Draco
There's also the lack of gay representation creating a demand but that's another thing
Me, an aroace: Guess I'll never be socially fulfilled
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 ah yes. The people who tried to kill one another on multiple occasions and of which 1 did naught but torment the other was so developed
I will never forget sitting in the theater watching Eclipse, and when Dr. Cullen says newborns are strong because they still have human blood, someone behind me muttered, "That... doesn't... MAKE SENSE!!"
I don't know who that person is, but I can get behind them.
@@maximusdork3336 ohhh myyyy!
Exactly. They're dead so they'd have no blood. In other vampire series vampires get stronger the longer they live but with Twilight it's stronger when newly turned and weak from there.
Maybe, and this is woefully stretching credulity, in the Twilightiverse, blood is crystalized inside the vampire and is burned off as the body matures? I dunno, I kinda forgot that whole plot point and yeah, it's fucking dumb. If newborns are just straight better, how has the Volturi never been overthrown by a Victoria style plan? For that matter, if newborns are stronger than the one who created them, how are they ever under control? Why would you put this plot hole in your swiss cheese of a book, it makes my brain hurt.
Wait, if they still have human blood left in them, then… where does it go over time? Do they pee it out?
There is a third opinion
Me: Mike Newton
The comments: Alice
Krimson: Being single
Me: So there are 5 options
we can find even more if we try hard enough.
@@v-mouse 6th one: Leah.
The fact that I had to google Mike Newton should be enough proof that he isn't really an option.
Team Alice though? That's some good shipping right there!
Alice was cool.
@@sorcerersapprentice true. good option.
"Bella's under the delusion that she's a complex character"
I laughed so much 🤣
Me too... I say though:
C'mon!
Expand!
Maybe expand via Collabs with other UA-camrs!!
Bella is about as complex as a Rubix cube who’s sides are all the same color.
@@zachscarbrough2727 Yep.
Yes.
Yep.
Yes.
Anna Kendrick's cleavage at 8:14 has more personality than Bella's entire character.
15:21 I don't know why but I find Taylor Lautner's annoyance at not getting to be in the action scenes hilarious. Probably thinking bout how he had more action scenes in Sharkboy and Lavagirl than this.
His acting was better in that too
He rather be surrounded by cgi than be cgi.
Decent chance I’m misremembering Amanda the Jedi’s vid on Sharkboy and Lavagirl since it’s been a minute, but I believe they even made an extra scene where they let Taylor show off some of his martial arts skills
@Clay Chap I like Robert as an actor and he seems like a cool person, but he doesn’t work as Batman.
@Clay Chap but he wouldn't be Bat-man he'd be Wolf-man nanana wolf man! Thank you, your rotten Tomatos are right next to you and I expect to be hit by them soon
Taylor's disappointment in not being able to do any cool action shots is so heartbreaking :((
It's something I didn't think about until seeing that interview clip. Taylor Lautner is a martial artist and they never actually let him do any fighting. It's such a fucking wasted opportunity.
@@InoMercy indeed
@@InoMercy well in the filmmakers defence, werewolves in the twilight universe can only fight off vampires in their wolf form. Though their strength and speed is far greater than humans in their human form, it’s far from being enough against a vampire without the expense of hurting themselves. Jacob would most definitely break his knuckles punching one vampire away at full force only to immediately get his head taken off with a slap by that same vampire.
@@silverwaveproductions4672 I'd give him idk a lot of humans trying to do something to Bella, like when Edward recued her but far closer to the final danger. He beats them all and there, nice scene. But they'd ruined even something THAT simple.
I think this explains why Taylor took the lead role in Abduction. He wanted to DO SOMETHING
It would’ve been better if Jacob was just Bella’s childhood friend - who’s human btw - who had a crush on her and saw all the red flags Edward displayed and as a result, wanted her to break up with him. It wasn’t so he could get with Bella himself, but rather he wants her to be happy. This way this whole love triangle/character assassination doesn’t happened.
I would also like to rewrite Victoria's power as well as how vampires get powers in general.
First Vicky. I'd like her power to be essentially spidey-sense. She can sense danger and evade, which would make her jumping over Jacob more interesting/more believable.
As for how vampires get their powers, I'd make it where the powers reflect the vampires personality.
I know, Meyer should have kept him that way, he was originally supposed to just be there to tell Bella about Edward being a vampire in Twilight but she kept him and gave a bigger role in New Moon, which obviously was a big mistake looking at how his character turned out
The character assasination could still happen in your new context
When random commenters write better stories than you
@@dorcat2867 I'm not sure you can say it was a mistake, given how huge the whole Team Edward vs Team Jacob debate got. Twilight became a legit global phenomenon, and a lot of that credit can go to the love triangle.
It would be better if Bella didn’t accept Edward back during new moon and he has to earn her back while Jacob sees the break up as a chance to win her over for himself. That’s much better than what they did in Eclipse.
Another literary sin finally purged by Book Jesus. Dorime 🙏
Ameno
Fittingly too, considering it's orthodox easter lol
Isn't book Jesus just regular Jesus?
Interimo adapare
AMENO
9:55 those Megamind clips of Hal being an incel as you explain and describe incels is cinematic perfection and made me snicker
I actually found some crew notes from that movie stating that they intentionally designed Hal to be "Incel Superman". Great execution IMO.
@@KrimsonRogue I agree, you don’t see that very often in media. It’s quite brilliant and shows what can happen when you give a position of power to the wrong person who can easily use that to their advantage just to get that girl they really like to fall for them.
Megamind was ahead of it's time in that way. Considering how the movie came out on 2010.
That does make sense 😅
Hal is the nice guy trope in its purest, most toxic form.
Twilight took a single video. New Moon took three. Eclipse took five
By that math, it's possible that Breaking Dawn review will be full seven videos long. Oh boy
*rubs hands together* CANT WAIT!
I betcha at least one video is solely devoted to criticizing "that" scene.
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 what scene?
@@generalgrievous2202 Either:
1. Jacob's imprinting
or
2. The final "confrontation"
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 "you named my daughter after the loch ness monster!?"
Her two choices reminds me of my high school relationship. My ex and I didn't share any hobbies or interests outside of each other's company and she was downright abusive in multiple ways at times but I felt like I had to be in a relationship. It's not romantic. It's hell.
I'm sorry that happened to you, I hope you're okay now and out of that abusive relationship.
@@AngryCerealMilk I'm good. This was some odd 7 years ago but I was with her for two years. Took a year before it soured and by that point I thought it was my fault. Thanks for the concern though. Means a lot.
@@infiniteshay8660 I'm glad to hear that!
Damn reminds me of my abusive middle/high school relationship of 8 years... that ended when I was 18.
@@jrny8922 Those years are just ripe with toxic relationships.
The whole trilogy is just one gigantic red flag, also it would make a nice thriller if you think about it. A woman being manipulated and slowly isolated from her friends by a guy, who starts out as being a nice guy, but actually is a controlling monster who slowly makes her codependent on him and abuses her
Add Jacob as the obsessive, manipulator "best friend" with his own creepy sexual/romantic motivations and it gets even scarier!
Court of Thorns and Roses.
Invisible Man
Oh god. It would be such a great horror story
@@alicekipourou6732 have you watched the video essay series on the Twilight books from Dominic Noble? He breaks them down brilliantly and highlights a few times where the books literally read as horror stories...
"Refusing to check your work leads to undeveloped trash like this."
*mortal combat ad plays*
Oh god, it's like I planned that or something! XD
Watching or playing Mortal kombat would be a way better time than Watching or reading twilight atlest than you could get some anger out
I feel like Meyer believes she's a far better author than she actually is.
That seems quite plausible
The Twilight fanbase has helped to encourage that delusion through their thinking that them liking her books somehow makes her a good author. There are good authors whose books people like because the author and books are good but liking the author doesn't guarantee quality.
Yea and the fuck ton of money she's made probably only furthered that sense of superiority
She's shit at writing the books for ya/romance readers. These books could easily have been an excellent horror series. You can even see it in a few areas. These books are terrible, but they could have been utterly captivating with the genuinely horrific plot points.
@@victoriashevlin8587 yeah that’s a good point 😅 and I don’t even like horror especially given vampires kill people and stuff😶
Why didn’t Victoria simply have invisibility? Or intangibility, teleportation, etc.? Any of those powers could make her elusive and would make more sense than “knowing where to hide”.
Any of those would’ve worked way better, and been much cooler.
She could have something like Domino from Marvel, where she subconsciously manipulate the enviroment to give herself "good luck".
Ya know, funny enough. Having the power to know where to hide is better than knowing when. It could manifest like those old stealth game where you could see the lines of sights of bad guys so you can hide from them. Lol
The vampires in this series are already discount X-Men so why not?
I don't mean to defend the series lol actually more so defending the power itself. It's not "knowing when to hide" It's called 'Enhanced Self-Preservation' Basically the body/mind reacts to dangerous situations accordingly to preserve ones life.
In the film/book when Victoria is shaking uncontrollably when Edward is taunting her, it's probably her own desire for revenage over riding this, but her body is telling her to "GTFO of there he's going to kill you."
Now because these books weren't meant to exist (It was meant to be twilight than New Moon) Stephanie added in the power to victoria for plot's sake.
Krimson "the weakest climax ever written"
Me: he's gonna loose his shit with breaking dawn, you'll go from weakest to biggest blue balls ending ever.
Oh, I know what's coming. I'll just have to see how bad the setup is.
@@KrimsonRogue *que evil joker laugh* I've read the books myself trust me its worse than all the rest combined. Also lovely to get a comment from you, you made a great series of videos recently. Great as always!
Krim: Eclipse has the weakest climax ever written
Breaking Dawn: *sweats*
Its worse than it was all a dream endings
Far From Home and Endgame's climax are pretty weak too.
Not really night seeker. It's fine of you don't like them, but they aren't comparable to a vision and us not seeing the battle.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yes, really. Their climaxes have lots of plotholes and stupid shit.
Before you say "plotholes don't matter" remember that Krimsonrogue cares about plotholes.
@@night-seeker666 before you say, it has has lots of plotholes, you might want to actually list some first so it doesn't look like you're just calling anything you don't understand a plothole. Like I said, when talking weak climaxes we referring to endings that feel like climaxes do how underwhelming it is. It's fine if you don't like those climaxes, but they aren't within the context of this conversation.
Krimson: There's a third choice that has never been explored
Amanda: ALICE!
Ah, I see you are a person of culture as well!
Yes.
My thoughts as well :D
I have a question: isn’t Alice related to Ed in some fashion?😅 and um technically the sexuality thing isn’t a choice. But again I’m not against it I’m just sharing the um logical errors for the possibility of this working 😅 but um at least in fanfiction, it can work
@@gracekim25 biologically, no, but they have the same adoptive parents.
Yea we all like to dream abt alicexbella.
“Third choices being single”
I’m single by choice... not my choice, but still a choice
Same here ha ha.
Ah but Mormonism - girl gotta get married!
Isn't that what incel is?
@@jazz-cat00 No. An incel is someone who blames people of the gender they fancy for their inability to get a girlfriend or boyfriend and thinks they're entitled to sex and a relationship. They say they're "involuntary celibate" as if they're being prevented from having sex when it's their own bad personalities and attitudes doing that.
@@Xehanort10 ah right 🤔
And I said it once, but I’ll say it again:
If it wasnt for Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way, Bella would be the Queen of Sues
Ebony's reaction to Bella would be "You fukin poser. If yu dot shut up I'm gon slit muh writs."
@@Xehanort10 She would also finish her in a matter of seconds with her vampire powers!
both of them pale in comparison to empress Theresa
Fuk oof prep!!!
In Ebony's words "Bela is a fuking prep."
Taylor Lautner has incredible gymnastic abilities. He does some cool fight scenes in the British sitcom Cuckoo and actually acts very well in it. Maybe comedy suits him more.
He was funny in grownups 2 and I was surprised at how short he was it made me laugh
30:40 To be fair, at least Bella realises that you don't need to stab yourself in the gut in order to distract a vampire with a bit of blood :D
Meyer just had to make the “savage” look so stupid that it took a white girl to do it right....
this couldve been solved by just making the lady draw blood from her arm instead of, yknow, a knife to the gut. but she underestimated how quickly said vampire would react and she got attacked and died from her wounds. yeezus
That's damning by fait praise, both for the characters and Meyer as a writer for not making the same stupid plot point twice.
Myers is a Femcel 🤣😂
Usually heterosexual female incels are just called incels (the first self-described incel was a woman, even), "femcels" usually being the lesbian equivalent of straight male incels (creeping on straight women and trying to convince them to be lesbian instead of moving on and dating girls who already are).
Splitting hairs though, and it's not like any of these groups _formally_ exist in any capacity.
@@RoninCatholic I I though female incels were called Legbeards, even though neckbeards aren't necessarilyl incels, even if there is HUGE intersection between the two groups
Nah, legbeards aren’t necessarily incels. If you read the wolf beard saga by One of those Reddit UA-cam channels (Fun With Failure), legbeards are basically male versions of neck beards. Bad hygiene, warped sense of entitlement, terrible in social situations, and having some pop culture obsession that dominates how they live their life.
nah, Meyers comes off to me more as a TERF than a femcel.
Yea I'm convinced she is, you don't have to be having sex to not be an incel, it's a behaviour. Onision is a good example, he's (somehow) gotten laid a lot but he still acts like an incel
17:04 The Hobbit did have a rather anti-climactic end to Smaug, but that's because Smaug wasn't the point. Bilbo's arc was the question of whether or not he would be brave enough to go on an adventure and face Smaug; which he did. Their *physical* goal, meanwhile, was to get the treasure back for the dwarves. The Battle of the Five Armies needed to be resolved because everybody else wanted the gold and treasure.
It seems like the overwhelming trend in popular YA fiction is to have a love triangle that really isn't a triangle at all. The option is almost always obvious. It feels like giving the readers more choice to pick a male character they can develop feelings for, rather than presenting the protagonist with an actual choice.
But that's the funny thing about Twilight. It was perhaps the most obvious lopsided love triangle I had ever seen in fiction up to that point, as it was ridiculously obvious who Bella would choose. Yet despite that, it has become arguably the most iconic love triangle in modern fiction. Readers apparently did make choices on which male protagonist to support almost DESPITE the narrative. I always was suprised how Meyers was able to pull that off.
But for what it's worth, I actually liked that Bella wasn't indecisive or flipping back and forth between her choices. She knew who she wanted, stuck with that person, and made her opinon for the most part clear to readers and her suitors. It would bother me more if she had flipped flopped and kept changing her mind. She STILL bothered me in a lot of ways, but at least he straight up told Jacob where he stood.
2 years later, I'm still waiting for the continuation of this series. One of the most entertaining watches ever. ❤
Seeing myers im starting to think Bella is really a self insert. Bella looks like a younger myer.
You’re actually literally correct. Meyer has been open about this shit being the result of a dream she had of HERSELF with a teen vampire in a field, and he wants to eat her. It’s so much a self-insert that Bella’s home in Arizona is the one where Meyer grew up, and the ballet school Bella got smashed in was where Meyer took classes as a kid. Lauren, one of Bella’s “friends,” is based on someone Meyer didn’t like in high school, and there are cut scenes from the book of Lauren getting really mistreated for no good reason.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria ,.....I was joking, but welp I guess she's coo coo for coco puffs. That is also very petty, I barely remember anyone from highschool.
I mean self insert isn’t all bad 😅 Bella just happens to not be interesting…I guess this means the author isn’t either
"Jacob's outbursts never directly hurts Bella"
Me thinking about that hammer he throw at her general direction when he found ou she was planning on becaming a vampire: ok then..... °-°
As in, he never made physical contact during the outbursts.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria still if that had hit her, she’d be DEAD!
Watching critisms of bad books really motivates me to continue writing my stories. So you're a great source of motivation Krimson thanks !
Glad to help! :D
It makes me want to write terribly and be featured here 🥰
Same here. I make video games and sometimes I worry the characters are too flawed, or too mundane, or aren't memorable enough.
Then I remember Stephanie Meyer managed to take two of the most famous supernatural creatures in the world and turn them into a bland soup of teenage drama and constant self-retconning rules.
*reads title*
I thought the non-existing battle would happen in the final movie 🤔.
That last ""battle"" was just so disappointing and such a let down, like wtf
I remember the reaction from the crowd on opening night. The disappointed screams, boos, and multiple “what the fuck?!” cries were amazing. The only time I felt that kind of energy again was with Endgame, except in Endgame everyone was cheering in happiness.
@@sugarm1860 In my theatre everyone was laughing at the ending of the final movie
I believe that should have hade the Italian vampire come in for a visit to check up on bella being turned and the possible vampire child. They see she has been turned and the kid is only half vampire ( which gives them ideas) and they leave...which maybe a sequel in the works. Better then putting a idea for a fight that was never going to happen to begin with.
@@AngryCerealMilk You let yourself be disappointed by such ... "movies" 🤣?
Fruit Basket 2019, a romance that's worth the time to watch.
If you like love stories that are fast forward by 2x in the Blu-Ray, sure
Carlisle’s super power being compassion is so fucking funny. It’s the equivalent of writing “good people skills” on a resume.
And since he took advantage of Esme being suicidal to turn her and make her his wife and took advantage of Rosalie being raped to try and make her Edward's wife he's hardly compassionate.
I wouldn't day take advantage.
@Babba Yaaga are you calling him a Vampire Diaries vampire lol
Deadpool: Seriously, I don't get it! What, you shoot compassion lasers out your eyes? It's just hard to picture. And certainly not very cinematic.
super compassion sort of leads to super self control, so in the least it's a handy power around humans.
"Written from the POV of a Macguffin."
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This has been an amazing week for me. First, I finally got a job, then I'm passing my classes to transfer to the university, and now this amazing video? Thank you so much Krimson! 😄😄😄😄😄😄
That's awesome! Congrats on the job and class credits! :D
@@KrimsonRogue Thank you! 😊
Oh wow that’s so cool, I just got hired finally myself. I start training soon
@@Sims4T Awesome! I'm doing training right now but I am getting payed for it. I work at Macy's though I won't say where for the sake of privacy.
Congrats Saphira and Pizza!!! Best of luck on your new jobs (and uni, for Saphira)!
"Facing the consequences of your choices..." Hahaha!
Bella, the Cullens and Jacob's pack never suffer any consequences for what they do. And her talking about fantasy love and reality love was funny because she understands neither.
@@Xehanort10 The only people to be affected by negative consequences in this series (well books) are the Clearwaters.
I mean demon baby is bad but that's not what Meyer is talking about.
Edit-The pack itself is a consequence of Bella and the Cullens, if Vicky hadn't been around there would be no wolves.
When will she learn? When will she learn?
@@Rahnonymous I don't know if you mean Meyer or Bella, but considering the following book...Never.
These romance tropes are common throughout many YA novels. It’s usually a fight between a couple awful guys. At the same time, many teenage girls want the “bad boy” who tends to act like a child when they don’t get their ways. It’s time to put real romance back in literature.
Real romance can be little more uncomfortable than that.
@@fightingmedialounge519 yeah, but it can reinforce the ideals of healthy relationships.
I love writing about real/healthy romances and relationships because you see that in real life from the exciting moments to painful shifts (loss of family for example) that can happen at any moment.
Also, Horimiya is a good rom-com anime. Love it.
I would legit settle for just putting the amount of work put into a better-than-average Harlequin Romance in mainstream literature. Standards have really bottomed out in the last few decades.
I just realized what would be a great story: a married vampire couple who have fallen in love at their teenage years, got turned and after a few years have fallen out of love. Now they’re stuck together for eternity and can’t stand each other
That actually sounds potentially hilarious. I'd definitely read that book!
It'd be more creative than the cliche "2 vampires live happily in immortal undead bliss" thing. And realistically that's how Bella and Edward's relationship would end up. Because if Bella was arrogant, whiny, selfish, insufferable and narcissistic imagine how much worse she is as a vampire. Despite the sappy kissing in a field of flowers ending of Breaking Dawn I guarantee after about a year Edward would realise what a mistake he made and that eternity with Bella Swan is worse than vampirism.
Meyers religious beliefs are very present in the subtext of how the relationships are written. Bella and Edward can’t have sex until they’re married, despite that they also express that a vampire having sex with a mortal could be deadly to the mortal but that’s just tossed aside where as marriage was positioned as the most important issue on hand.
Bella basically disregards and disposes on any relationship with her own family to become a part of the Cullens which is a very archaic notion in some Christian beliefs. When your daughter married she’s no longer your child but HIS wife. They place such importance on family but only really Edwards
Newborns were created for filler, most of New Moon and Eclipse was created for filler because Meyer was given 3 sequels instead of the planned 1.
If anyone is curious about Vicky's original role, basically she was going to be the tattletale in Forever Dawn and created Riley to cover her tracks.
Dang I wouldn’t mind her creating just 2 books instead of 4 & the new one from Edward’s perspective. At least the characters wouldn’t have been ruined
@@littlesparrow303 Sadly Jacob doesn't escape his fate in the original draft, but he also doesn't fall for Bella and become an entitled Nice Guy either so it's a little less creepy.
I mean with everything I’ve learned about Mormons I’m not at all surprised that Meyer writes romance the way she does.
Ditto. Toxic attitudes abound!
"There is a third option," and according to AmandaTheJedi the third option is Alice
Yes!!
Yeah she made good points that I didn’t notice that Alice & Bella would be a nice couple. Honestly I wouldn’t mind if she did that since Bella knew both guys were bad for her
I think Alices husband might disagree with that notion.
Taylor Lautner's hope to do something cool in the war is so relatable, he's so passionate about it too. And then he gets replaced by a wolf.......
As if Jacob's character wasn't damning enough they won't even let him throw a punch unless its him being a prick or a wolf
hell it would make more sense if victoria's power was something like controlling newborns or being able to reduce blood lust in those around her (also explains why the newborns can be tactical and why they aren't drowning in the blood of innocents)
that would have been brilliant. But of course that would be beyond Ms. Meyers' ability to consider
"Victoria have the power to know instinctively when to run away."
So, she's basically Norville "Shaggy" Rogers?
Nice deep cut reference to the Blair Witch Project Scooby-Doo parody
She's Joseph Joestar
"She thinks she's giving us a souffle but she's actually making dwarven bread." BEAUTIFUL.
Personally I had an idea in my head about a Vicky confrontation in the previous book. It also makes Bella less pathetic too. Bella jumps off the cliff to escape Vicky, well not exactly escape.
In my version Bella's grown past her hallucinations and need for danger to get them (and Jacob as well in favor of a half sister character I made up, but that's a whole other beast for another time.) and is just out for a hike/picnic while enjoying the view of the ocean. She finds it peaceful. That's when Vicky shows up.
Vicky corners her, but rather than just killing her right then and there, Vicky toys with her for a bit, getting pleasure out of seeing her prey scared. That's a character flaw of both her and James, they like playing with their food before going in for the kill. It's a reason they fell for each other in the first place.
However Vicky gets distracted by the scent of the wolves for a split second, which gives Bella just enough to jump off of the cliff. Also in my version cliff diving for fun off that cliff in particular isn't a thing. She never saw Sam and the others do it, so as far as she's concerned jumping is basically suicide especially given the weather at the time.
Basically Bella knows she can't get away but rather than letting herself be horribly killed she chooses to to take her life into own her hands and jumps fully expecting to die. She doesn't like either option and doesn't want to die, that's made very clear in the text, but by jumping at least her death is on her own terms rather than giving Vicky the satisfaction of making her her lunch. It's just pure luck that Jake saves her (and as I mentioned before she's actually grown distant towards him in favor of my Original Sister character, whom she'd have a much healthier relationship with (but again another beast for another time)) so she honestly doesn't even really know what the hell Jake's been up to or where he is.
It's kinda similar to what Peeta said to Katniss the night before the first Hunger Games, he wants to die as himself.
It's just a rough idea but since Krim shared his rewrite, I thought I'd share mine. .
That message from Taylor Lautner reminding you that no one hates Twilight more than the cast of Twilight...
The fanbase acting like their worlds had ended when the cast revealed they hated the series was comical.
@@Xehanort10 WOW😅 that’s just….
"to save her from the monster" - then he should also save her from himself
self-reflection is the magic word, and comming to terms with one's flaws and overcome them to become a better version of oneself, but neither Meyer nor her figures are capable of that
If you think Bella & Edward is a bad coupling, then you should never read "Killing Stalking." The author has even stated this isn't supposed to be a romance, yet the fanbase refuses to see it otherwise.
THANK YOU! Killing stalking isn’t a romance, it’s a thriller about two very messed up people and their warped concepts of love! Sure, “love” is a factor, but it’s not propped up like this ideal romance. (No offense to those who ship, but I seriously don’t see what you see.)
WOW😨 that is DISTURBING!
I couldn’t even finish that one it’s so fucking horrific and the fandom terrifies me.
Romance fanbases could watch Halloween and instead of knowing Michael Myers is a psychopathic serial killer who wants to murder Laurie Strode they'd think he was a poor shy guy trying to get her attention and she'd be accused of "not giving him a chance." Scream's Billy Loomis would be seen as a misunderstood lad who just needed a shoulder to cry on after his mother abandoned him. Leatherface tormenting Sally Hardesty at the Sawyer dinner table with his family in Texas Chainsaw Massacre would be read by them as awkward flirting despite him being a cannibalistic serial killer.
@@Xehanort10 Some people just can't help themselves.
Even in a good love triangle someone deciding "screw this, I'm done" is a choice I'd like to see more often.
7:04 Did Meyer think that the best route was "Bella is 'fixing' him" and that is not only outdated, but dangerous.
35:55 Meyer's probably convinced Bella went through loads of character growth when she's the exact same at the end of Breaking Dawn as at the start of Twilight. Completely obsessed with and dependent on Edward.
THe obsessed part is true, but you can argue the Cullens are now dependent on her rather than the other way around. She's basically their secret weapon against the Volturi now. She's at least his equal now.
Why doesn't vicky have superspeed? Then bellas line about her being fast make sense and why she could get away from everyone.
And she can still always flee when things go south because she knows she can easily out run anyone.
Edward has super speed (?) but she's also a vampire so she's at least faster than Bella.
@@hayleybartek8643 yes but that could highlight her power then that she can outspeed even edward
To be fair, giving her superspeed above of even other vampires would have been a bad idea. At least from my experience. If I had a penny for every instance of terribly executed and portrayed speedsters across nearly all of fiction I'd own the entire world. And the worst part is that I couldn't even blame Meyer for the inevitable wave of Plot Induced Stupidity scenes that would come out of Vicky because speedsters are just that hard to write since the very nature of being that much faster than anyone else both in movement, combat and reaction is one of the most broken shits that could ever exist. You make them actually competent, the story ends in one second. You try to give them any physical challenge or obstacle, and it's most likely that they will look just as dumb as Quicksilver during his death in Age of Ultron.
That's fairly hyperbolic king tiger.
Seeing Genshin memes at the husbando part really attacked me directly and I loved it
Crimson: mentiones Hellsing Abridged
My Brain: Party Party Party
I just continue to enjoy you calling them Ed and Jake.
If Eclipse was a 5 Part review, I bet Breaking Dawn will be at least 6 depending on what Krimson discusses about (including that really creepy moment where Jacob imprints off of a baby 😨)
There’s potential for 10 parts. The blatant racism, how imprinting leads to pedophilia and grooming as well as horrifically strips the guys of their own agency as well since they literally get no choice, more racism...so many things that could be a video or two each.
You already know I said screw sleep and woke up at the sound of the upload XD. To this day I do not know how Twilight got even half as large as it did. It’s such bad writing and the movies are not like good storytelling.
I’ve been binging all your TBWB reviews since I’m currently working on book two of a trilogy I’m writing and absolutely love your insight and comments. You’re probably one of the most well thought out and literate people on the internet so I take your advice seriously.
"Eclipse was all about facing the consequences of your choices." Only Bella's never has any consequences.
If the Cullens did learn different forms of martial arts, I can imagine Alice, Carlisle, and Emmett picking a style. For Alice with the assistance of her ability and being nimble, baguazhang would suit her. Carlisle seems like the person to apprehend the attacker and try to talk sense after gaining the upper hand, so jujitsu might work. As for Emmett, based off of his physical features and natural strength, judo would definitely work for him.
I’d watch a movie about Carlisle Cullen and BJJ!
Appreciating all the Final Fantasy music in this video
Mr rogue i just want to say that your reviews including this one actually made me appreciate fruits basket, which you showed in this video. ITS really a better love triangle than this POS. I just wish Kyo and Yuki could show Jake and ed how to have a better love triangle
Glad to help. Fruits Basket is definitely one of my favorite anime, and I don't usually like romance that much. XD
*shows footage of Fruits Basket
Ah I see you're a man of culture
3:26 The "soulmate", "love at first sight" and "destined to be together" are just excuses for bad writing in romance. People fall in love while getting to know each other over a long time. You don't just meet and look at someone once and instantly love them. That's not how it works. People getting together just happens sometimes. It's not destiny. People aren't fated to get together from the day they're born. The soulmate thing is just sometimes sappy "I love you so much it feels like I was always meant to be with you" metaphorical stuff but shippers take it literally.
Even fanfics that use "soulmates' tropes actually put in effort to build a lore around it and characters take time to find common interests before fully commiting.
Not exactly xeahnort, some people have just started purely because immediate interest.
@@bearwhiteraven4820 never said it did. It's why I used the word started.
10:50 Which is something Snape defenders in the Harry Potter fandom believe as well. They think the fact that Lily Evans later Potter was his friend for years meant she had to go out with and have sex with him and that being abused as a child and bullied at school somehow entitles him to sex and a relationship out of pity. It doesn't. They say James Potter "stole" Lily from Snape, talking about her as if she was a possession that belonged to the greaseball. Snape fans treat Lily starting to date James after he grew up a bit, became less arrogant, stopped hexing people for the hell of it and so on as cruel torment because James not liking their little Sevvie poo makes him an irredeemable monster on the level of the likes of Freddy Krueger, The Joker, Michael Myers, Claude Frollo and Dexter's Trinity Killer.
Honestly i look at Snape as a guy who ruined his friendship and love for someone cause of his own anger and hatred of a person. But when he lost his only true friend. He came to regret it but found himself sinking deeper into darkness but when he finds out she is going to be killed he snaps back and wants to protect her in a way. But ultimately fails and hates himself but never got the help to handle the trouble
That is crazy😨I don’t think those fans understand how they behave
Same people thinks it's noble that he asked for Lily to be spared, even the books called him out on that.
He was also such a bully to Neville that Snape was literally his worst fear and the man who help torture his parents into insanity was a better teacher to Neville.
@@CoolG97 It's why I don't buy Rowling's last minute attempt to portray Snape as some tragic hero in Deathly Hallows. At Hogwarts he was a bully who hung around with people who did far worse than James and Sirius did to him, said using dark magic on innocent students was a laugh, "thanked" Lily for stopping James from bullying him by calling her a filthy little Mudblood, wanted to and eventually did join the Death Eaters who wanted to kill Lily and all Muggleborns like her and thought she'd be impressed by that. As a Death Eater he probably did horrible things to loads of innocents. Then there's him admitting to Dumbledore that he asked Voldemort to kill James and Harry so he could have Lily to himself proving his so called "love" for her was an obsession. And he only wanted Voldemort dead because him killing Lily meant he couldn't use the deaths of a grieving wife and mother's husband and son to get her to love him. He didn't feel guilty about his Death Eater crimes or want to make up for them. If Voldemort had gone after Neville Snape would have been a loyal Death Eater until the day he died. He's a villain working with the heroes against a bigger villain, not the hero, anti hero or morally grey or ambiguous character Rowling treats him as.
@@CoolG97 The sick reason Snape bullied Neville was evil too. Because Snape had wanted Voldemort to kill the Longbottoms so in Snape's manchild mind Neville had to be punished for Voldemort not choosing to kill him and his parents. I'll always stand by the belief that Rowling was going to reveal that Snape had been loyal to Voldemort all along and that him killing Dumbledore was originally a cold blooded murder. Then while writing Deathly Hallows she decided to give Snape a cliche backstory involving childhood abuse and the whole "creepy obsession with Lily Rowling wants us to believe was love" as his reason for switching sides. Dumbledore's burned hand was changed so that it carried a curse that would slowly and painfully kill him in a year's time and the kill was retconned into Snape putting Dumbledore out of his misery.
2:06 (as an Amanda the Jedi Fan) ALICE! "being Single" ohhh.... nevermind. Also true.
Every time I think of Twilight, I think of how it could've been better. When I do that I just think of Vampire: the Masquerade.
Or Interview with a Vampire. My gf is gonna run the table top of that I can't wait.
I absolutely loved Vampire: The Masquerade in my early 20's. It has something for every fan of vampires
At least White Wolf is pretty explicit about the fact that every property is about monsters. They're violent, have inhuman urges and natures that do not go away and cause real problems with consequences, and the benefits are counterbalanced both by other monsters who hate you and real erosion of humanity over time that just never properly heals.
I absolutely love these reviews - cannot wait for your take on Breaking Dawn!
Thanks! :D
I love how you added Fruits Basket into this part. 👏
“Refusing to check your own work is what results in underdeveloped trash like this:” **ad featuring Amy Schumer plays**
Yeah, sounds about right.
I swear, I never intended for things to play out with that midroll like that, but now that it has, I'm not changing it. XD
You got an ad with Amy Schumer in it too?!
"I'm gonna be like Jet Li."
*shows footage of a wolf biting into vampires*
When you said there was one unexplored option I thought you were about to save Mike and Newton lol, to be fair three of the humans are romantic interests for a bit it's just Bella didn't care about any of them so I don't think that's just because they're not romantic insects I think it's just because she's a judgy person, because Mike, Eric, and Tyler all asked her to the dance and all seemed interested in her and she didn't care about any of them
I just now realized that your credits music is from Halo 3: ODST's soundtrack... and that proves that you not only have great taste in shows (DBZ Abridged), but also video games. Good job, Book Jesus... can't wait to see what's next.
Ok but imagine if Jacob and Ed really ended up toghether
Pros:
*They won't easily hurt each other (at least not physically)
*They'll live toghether forever without turning their significant other
*It would be a true Romeo and Juliet story but with a happy ending
*They would be toxic to each other instead of spreading it into the world
*No p€do bullshit
Cons:
???
There's no Team Jacob or Team Edward
There's Team Jacob x Edward
They would still have to be careful because it's revealed in Breaking Dawn (book) that vampire venom kills the wolfs so ed would still have to be careful but not nearly as careful as with Bella
Jacob doesn't live forever angelika.
Also being toxic to each other isn't really a pro since Jacob shared his thoughts with his pack involuntarily, there would still be questionable age gaps, and biological problems as well.
I get you want a gay couple, but you can do better than this.
@@fightingmedialounge519 theoretically Jake could live forever as long as he keeps shifting regularly in the books it says he physically grew ti be about 25 years old and won't start aging again until he slows down and stops his shifting so if he wanted to be with the ed boy he just has to make sure he's shifting into a wolf rather regularly.
@@Tam00393 yeah, I know that part, but that still would protect Jacob from other natural causes of dearh.
@Tam 003
Not really. She's constantly in danger of being bitten bc she smells nice. Meanwhile Jacob stinks bc werewolf logic. Jacob is still less killable than an average teen and if he keeps his turnings he'll be close to an immortal. He can also create his personal pack so he doesn't have to project his angst on other wolves
Imagine having a really cool battle that could be fun to explore...and you fucking leave it out because leaving Bella's perspective is a no-no.
Then again, imagine treating these 'fresh' vampires like such a threat, but not bothering to bring any swords or spears.
Forget martial arts, just run them through when they charge like disorganized rabble, and then do the awkward looking beheading while they're stuck.
Also, I know this is just the rambling of some guy who has not even watched the Twilight movies, but would Alice be a better match for Bella than either of the abusers?
I know Alice's hands aren't clean either, but any port in a storm if you have to stick to Meyer's in universe rule of 'end up in a relationship at all costs'.
Welp Krimson is pushing through it for us
I just love the editing of all your videos, they're always so funny with great music choice.
The more videos I watch of people reviewing these books, the more I’m convinced that subconsciously Meyer wrote a story about what it’s like to become a Mormon.
Headcanon accepted.
Could you maybe not insult other people’s religion? Even as someone raised in and still active in that particular faith these books have always seemed unappealing, and people assuming I would be a fan just because I’m a Mormon who likes reading has been a source of great frustration.
The story isn’t bad because the author is Mormon, they’re bad because she isn’t a good writer and has horrible ideas about what’s romantic.
Meyer definitely wrote convincing manipulation, brain washing, gaslighting, and abuse. And never noticed. Can't help but feel that these were true to her own life. Remember, Bella is a placeholder for herself. But whether this is because of her experience with Mormonism or from other life events or both is just speculation.
@@dustincompton992 For one it’s the commenter’s opinion, not fact.
For another, regardless of how you personally feel about Mormonism, it has frequently been described as a cult with many deeply unhealthy attitudes toward relationships. I won’t force evidence on you but it is there if you feel like looking.
Maybe Meyer is just a bad writer and it has nothing to do with her faith. But that doesn’t invalidate the opinion of the original commenter.
@@dustincompton992 Mormonism has been open about how white skin is a sign of favor and dark skin is sin. Black people weren’t even allowed until the late 1970’s. A literal outright racial ban. Mormonism is an EXTREMELY problematic religion founded by a scammer who was backed into a corner and killed by some of his pissed off followers who’d had enough.
If you don’t like hearing that, then maybe you should reconsider your beliefs. I left Scientology because I listened and couldn’t make reasonable counterpoints and then it all fell into place one night at the center, so I literally walked out and never went back.
And while you’re at it, maybe you should think about how problematic it is to go to other countries to try to push your religion onto disadvantaged people and how disrespectful it is to go accost people at their homes to try to get them to convert. You don’t have to talk about insult when it comes to religion, not when your religion has taken it upon itself to force itself onto others who aren’t asking. YOU have participated in this. Two years of mission, I believe?
It's always baffled me that while SMeyer was clearly trying to appeal to some vague superhero angle by making all the special vampires have special powers, but most of the powers in question are lame like "sensing relationships" and there's barely any troperiffic but intimidating powers like telekinesis or shapeshifting or glamouring.
We started to see more intimidating powers in Break Dawn. But I think if there's too much emphasis on the gifts, it starts to take away from the feeling that it's a vampre story.
I always thought Vampre Academy for example felt almost more like the Last Air Bender than a vampre story.
Hmmmmm, a story from a sapient Macguffin's POV could actually be interesting if done well. Not that Meyer could pull it off, but it's a neat idea.
Knowing Myers is Mormon kinda puts into perspective alot of things from the saga. The weird attitude towards men and marriage as well as why she's "destined" for Ed
Thought I just had. It would have been an interesting twist that edward was at least of the bloodline of a wolf pack and that's why he has mind reading powers and is so distrusting of werewolves.
Of course, Bella doesn't possess the intelligence that God gave a goldfish, so of course she wouldn't get that it's a bad idea to be caught up between two guys who give off more red flags than the Beijing Olympics.
For extra fun during the credits: replace the soundtrack with "Vampire Money" by MCR, which is their response to being asked to contribute to the soundtrack
Thanks so much for these videos Krimson, as someone who wants to write a story with a potential romance, there's a LOT that I got to look out for. For starters, I rather that the two main leads in my story start off as friends whose personalities play off each other. Its tapping into subverting the brooding and the whimsical pairing trope and for the most part, I'd prefer to focus on their friendship, putting romance second or even third. Whatever happens happens. It's actually an interesting idea if they ended up NOT being together but still chilling as close friends, showing respect, boundaries, and learning to move on. Now I dont KNOW if this is where the path will inevitably lead, but it's a fun idea that I could explore in another story.
Thanks for suffering these books for us and giving us the scope of avoiding bad takes on relationships, hope you recover from the hellish experience!
The biggest issue with Twilight, most notably the main characters isn't that they are all damaged, dysfunctional and idiotic people. Its that they are all those things and the story validates them without any hint of irony, tragedy, or consequences. The worst part is that it didn't have to be that way. Myer could have taken the batshit she wrote and really run with it to portray a dark romance. But she doesn't seem to care and is very content with giving her audience something of this low quality, even as wish fulfillment.
At this point I'm not even sure that SM sees how twisted and dysfunctional characters she created are.
Wow. I forgot how good this was! Thank you, Krimson, for all your hard work! You are truly a treasure.
What Krimson said: “… because the ends justify the means.”
What I heard: “… because the ends justify the *_memes_* “
"She has to consider who to chose and what she has to give up." Ideally, being in a relationship doesn't mean giving up anything you truly care for. In a healthy relationship, you can keep doing all the things you loved doing being single. Why force yourself to give something up just so you can fit into someone elses life? When will these people learn that you can be just as happy being single as you can be in a healthy relationship. However, if you enter a relationship needing the other person to make you happy, it's a recipe for disaster. Because noone wants the responsibility of being the only person that keeps someone happy.
There are normal things to give up, basically complete control over shared things and decisions about them. Who pays the rent/mortgage? Or how much does each pay? If you go out for the night, you give up not needing to let someone know you’ll be gone. Things of that nature. This is why people who are crazy attracted to each other and in love will still wait a while before diving it. There are things that merge and become shared.
But there shouldn’t be sacrifices about who someone is, or giving up anything major. Giving up your family? Total control of your life? Yeah, no.
Lucky thing about Bella is she basically got everything she wanted without having to give anything up. She got to be a vampire while still being able to marry and have a child with Edward, while still keeping Jacob and Charlie in her life.
It's why Twilight, as ugly as it got, can technically be viewed as wish fullfilment.
The idea that this whole book is "Team Edward" or "Team Jacob" is stupid. I'd say I'm "Team Bella", but really, I'm more "Team Everyone Else" at this point. The worst part is that I'd be willing to deal with (and honestly even enjoy) dark relationships if portrayed fairly and not romanticized, and if the action sequences/climax was passable. Even that was a fail - only Breaking Dawn has this beat. I'm just going to continue pretending that when Edward left in New Moon, everything ended, Bella returned to normal, Jacob remained a normal friend, and everyone - especially Leah, that poor lady - had their happily ever after.
In other news, I jumped into Twilight fanfiction, and my god are the fans way better. They took all the lost potential, did some cool rewrites, major fix-its, almost universally dumped both the Bella/Edward and Bella/Jacob ships - Bella/Rosalie and Bella/Alice were the most popular (I assumed Alice would be the winner, but apparently it was Rosalie), with Bella/Jasper and Jacob/Edward not too far behind. Heck, even rarepairs like Bella/Carlisle and Bella/Leah showed up a bit more than either canon pair. And every single one of those pairs is actually portrayed in a healthier way, actually had chemistry, gave Bella an actual personality, agency, and friends. I'd even argue that all of those platonic pairs had more chemistry in canon than the supposed romantic canon pair. Ah yes, and actually half-decent plot lines, making the Volturi the genuine threat that Meyer could only wish she'd thought of. The fans are more fans of the world setting rather than the books, and hey - props to them. Really, it's a wild ride and I'm having fun...
Twilight fanfic can be wonderful. I'm following a fic where Jacob Imprints on Leah and the drama comes not from Jacob being a possessive jerk but because he doesn't want to make Leah uncomfortable because of all the crap she's going through.
It doesn't fixed Imprinting but it does talk how messed up it is at least.
Edit-I have a theory that platonic pairings tend to have more chemistry than romantic pairings is because writers don't think they need to put effort into romantic pairings.
@@CoolG97 I'm currently on two fics. One is a Bella/Rosalie fic and my god, it is so unapologetically queer and like a super cute rom-com that also deals with the seriousness of the whole vampire/Volturi situation. The other is a Bella/Carlisle rarepair - at first I was weirded out by this, but the author caught my attention by explicitly calling it a "fix-it" and "Twilight rewrite". But what really won me over with that fic was the explicitly platonic and very cute bromances that Bella has with Edward and Jacob - actually healthy and light-hearted friendships that still take the situation seriously, and the ship was actually a healthy dynamic and the Volturi were actually a threat. Heck, I even read an imprinting fic too - one where Jacob imprints on Edward and actually has a major mental crisis, given that werewolves and vampires stand in opposition - actual relationship tension. The creativity is something else... I'm probably going to binge the f/f Bella ship tags, lol
@@zaramikazuki8374 I'll be honest I don't read a lot of Bella-centric stuff, I usually prefer the pack or Volturi because they are a wealth of lore and underdevelopment, but I happy people were able to make something out of that hunk of wood.
@@CoolG97 I totally get it - the fact that Bella is a total blank slate makes her very hit/miss. Because she's empty, on one hand, there is little worldbuilding around her and there are so many other cooler things - like the wolves or the Volturi (which I'm also guilty of - I've done quite a few Volturi-centric fics too!). But on the other hand, actually decent authors have a blank slate to essentially write a cool character onto and a total blank canvas, and I find an allure in the wide range of possibilities there. I've seen snarky/sarcastic Bella, nerdy bookworm Bella, actually goth Bella, preppy Bella, laid-back country Bella, and more. All of which are vast improvements on original Bella.
Blank canvasses are great for fanfiction, or for CharacterXReader fics - but for actual published mainstream fiction like Twilight is just... ugh.
@@zaramikazuki8374 Yeah Bella is such a blank slate that adding in OC sister/cousin characters seems redundant. It also helps when fanfics include non-romantic related drama, (I have an idea for what-if Charlie and Sue got together before Bella returned. That detail alone offers a lot of potential.) or actually have real consequences for Bella. (And the Cullens, they get away with too much.)
And I agree, published!Bella is more at home in fanfics than most fanfic!Bellas.
"No, you try to make everyone else happy. "
Funny that :-D
When has she EVER made ANYTHING except things that make HER happy? She didn't think about anyone else when she decided she's in love with Edward and wants to be a vampire with him for ever and ever and ever and ever.
She didn't think about her parents.
She didn't think about her classmates one bit.
She just decided what everyone else would want, and went by it, without ever actually asking what others might want.
That Alice "got" to play with the wedding and plan it and all, that was only because she didn't give a crap about it.
I hate that kind of "mommypulation". "I am sacrificing myself for YOUR HAPPINESS; so you better do everything I want!"
I suppose it's people who think mommypulation is something admirable, wannabe mommies, who love these books.
The only reason Meyer portrays Bella as this kind and selfless person who never thinks of herself only others is because Bella is her self insert and that's the type of person Meyer thinks she is. When in reality Bella only cares about herself, expects others to care about her when she doesn't care about them, treats her dad awfully, calls her friends evil traitors for not putting up with her Edward obsession and so on. Much like Meyer's a womanchild who called publishers who rejected Twilight mean, bragged about "taking the high road" in regards to the rejections, couldn't handle criticism and asked her brother to delete it, on the set of the first Twilight film even when Robert Pattinson wasn't filming scenes in character she tried to force him to pretend to be Edward and kept calling him by the character's name and when he'd had enough and said "My name is Robert" she threw a tantrum and tried to have him fired because he wouldn't play along with her sad little fantasy. She treated a human being like he was a doll in her dollhouse and yet acted like she was the one who'd been wronged.
Thank you for the hard work put into this saga of videos! I know you must be devastated to be finished with Eclipse, but worry not! The ride's not over yet 😁
Having a wannabe alpha male buzz around like a fly and not listen nor respect what you have fully expressed is the most stressful situation I have ever been, plain creepy. I hate him.
I kind of liked Vicky's power. Though I maybe interpret it differently that Meyer intended. Vicky's power, to me, was that if there was a way to escape danger, then she would instinctively know of it. And that makes her essentially impossible to catch, since she can outmanoeuvre everyone and everything. And this posed a challenge to Cullens and wolfs, since only way to deal with Vicky is to make her ignore her own power. Ergo, piss her off enough, that she will ignore magical alarm bell until it's too late.
she writes fight sceanes the way the victorians wrote sex sceans
Oh boy. Shall I even begin to tell you how incredibly kinky the Victorians actually were behind closed doors?
As someone who was really into Twilight in early high school, I think one of the biggest issues (other than glorifying literally every possible type of partner/parental abuse) is the fact that it idealized freezing in time. Bella had no plans or goals that could possibly have made her happy -- she was upset over the fact that she turned 18! I remember turning 17 and thinking my life was over, having no real goals other than falling on love with my crush. I spent formative years disregarding my talents and desires because I was anxious and naive -- and the most influential narrative of the time told me I was right to do so
That's a good point, one I hadn't considered. I think that really shows how incredibly vapid this series really is. There are so many bad lessons and writing mistakes that you could probably spend DAYS discussing them.
I think it's because Meyer may not have wanted to really sacrifice anything when turning into a vampire. Since Bella doesn't need to really give up anything to become a Vampire there's no real conflict other than Ed or Jake saying it's bad. If she wants to take a walk in the sun, that's fine as long as she's not seen by others. She can't get a job or career because she can't age, well she doesn't have any dreams or goals outside of Ed, so it doesn't matter. She probably won't see her friends or family again after a few years. Doesn't matter, she wasn't really close to them and after all, she has the Cullens. The only real thing she would be giving up is motherhood, and even that she gets in the last book. If she did have anything to look forward to after graduating, it may put her getting together with Ed in a bad light.
His hair is beautiful. But I miss seeing NPC and the other characters.