Refuting the Claims of Rabbi Singer

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  • @mikehenson819
    @mikehenson819 11 місяців тому +29

    No matter what any Jewish Rabbis says; I will stand in the faith of the Gospel message delivered us by Jesus disciples, and the prophets.
    The Priest didn’t want to accept Jesus as GOD’S Messiah then, so I don’t expect the Rabbis of our days to accept him now.
    But they will!

    • @thefnaffan2
      @thefnaffan2 10 місяців тому

      Oh the irony of that comment.

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 7 місяців тому +1

      And the prophets?? I'm looking for aegis for even one prophecy who "explicitly" speaks about Jesus.

    • @motangmojalefa2937
      @motangmojalefa2937 4 місяці тому

      Mee too, this gospel changed my life🎉🎉🎉

    • @scarrius6590
      @scarrius6590 2 місяці тому

      ​@@nathankupczyk3125Sam Shamoun on the website answering-islam has articles talking about the Messiah. I would check them out if you really want to know.

  • @alejandrourbinaalva3740
    @alejandrourbinaalva3740 11 місяців тому +31

    Nate Sala from the UA-cam channel Wise Disciple also made a video debunking Singer's challenge. I would love to see collaboration between the two of you and have a discussion on this particular topic.

  • @tomigun6913
    @tomigun6913 11 місяців тому +85

    dr Michael brown.
    I used to be an agnositc. I was watching rabbi singer and other jews for judaism folks in order to completely dismiss jesus' claim of messiahship.
    When Rabbi singer speaks, he is really saying a bunch of nothing. Like i was waiting for the argument why isaiah wasnt talking about jesus, and he just went on and on, without making any point.. or if he did, it didnt make sense
    I am now a believer in Yeshua.

    • @luisrosalesEAGLE
      @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому +11

      Hey same with me brother tovia is a deceiver but I came to believe in Yeshua brother I recommend you Israel for one good scholar they are messianic Jews dr brown is a great man of God

    • @Raccoon_Marine
      @Raccoon_Marine 10 місяців тому +1

      May Lord bless you. Ave Christus Rex

    • @folkeholtz6351
      @folkeholtz6351 8 місяців тому

      Rabbi Singer has a point in his interpretation and that is to keep Jews Jewish and not as Christians. There is many interpretations, but let´s listen to each other and try to be bold and accept others interpretations. The reason is that the Is. 53 can be viewed both as the Messiah but also as Israel or a faithful groups within Israel. Don´t be extreme and refute others interpretation. Second it is a plain truth that most Jews who have begun to believe in Jesus has left the Judaism totaly or continue live a non Jewish life. Soi here we see why Tovia Singers point. And I say if every Jew who should have become Christians for 2000 years ago would give a result of no Jews on this planet today. We would not have any Israel and therefore no Messiah would come down to the mount of Olives.
      Mind you a Jewish life is important and I would like if Michael Brown wound return to Jewish life and live Jewish at the same time Believe in Jesus and thus become a combination- theology. That would help a lot to make a brides between Christians and Jews. As it is today the anti-judaism which in in bedded in the Christian theology and it will not convince any knowlegde- able Jew. I wonder if anybody here in this webbsite will have the boldness to change their views.

    • @donaldruch4904
      @donaldruch4904 8 місяців тому

      Amen , I am happy you found the truth, the Lord Jesus Christ, praise God, Rom. 16:27, KJV bible, ✝️🇮🇱

    • @jamilbiotech91
      @jamilbiotech91 8 місяців тому

      Maybe you just can’t comprehend. Every thought about that?

  • @luisrosalesEAGLE
    @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому +159

    Tovia the deceiver I use to follow him I was blind I was deceived by him but thanks to the lord I discovered the true by myself I discovered the messiah the lord is great ❤❤

    • @ogmakefirefiregood
      @ogmakefirefiregood 11 місяців тому +10

      God has a way of breaking the Stiff-necked. He sure broke mine. Mostly by me reaping what I had sown. There inlies the true danger of being self-righteous. God bless you.

    • @UniteAgainstEvil
      @UniteAgainstEvil 11 місяців тому +2

      "Thanks to the lord, I discovered BY MYSELF" very humble

    • @luisrosalesEAGLE
      @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому +2

      @@ogmakefirefiregood God bless you brother in Yeshua name amen 🕎✝️

    • @luisrosalesEAGLE
      @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому +2

      @@UniteAgainstEvil God bless you my brother in Yeshua name amen 🕎✝️

    • @smj5808
      @smj5808 11 місяців тому

      Amen ❤

  • @jamilbiotech91
    @jamilbiotech91 11 місяців тому +10

    1. There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;
    2. Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn’t have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Mat. 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30).
    3. To answer this difficult problem, apologists claim that Jesus traces himself back to King David through his mother Mary, who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke. There are four basic problems with this claim:
    4. There is no evidence that Mary descends from David. The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph’s genealogy, not Mary’s.
    5. Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Num. 1:18; Ezra 2:59.
    6. Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Sam. 7:14; I Chron. 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6) The third chapter of Luke is useless because it goes through David’s son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31)
    7. Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.
    Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Num. 1:18; Ezra 2:59.
    Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Sam. 7:14; I Chron. 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6) The third chapter of Luke is useless because it goes through David’s son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31)
    Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.

    • @notawinemom8540
      @notawinemom8540 11 місяців тому

      Since there is no other surviving genealogy after 70 CE either Christ is the Messiah or there is no Messiah, in which case both religions are a sham. There is no scenario here that works out the way Jews want it to. Moreover, there is not a single prophecy warning about a fake Messiah in the old testament. Seems like an odd thing to leave out. The Book of Revelation predicted the rise of Islam to a t, so maybe Jews need to take their complaints to God.

    • @jrutt2675
      @jrutt2675 8 місяців тому +1

      The lineage goes through the father not the mother. This is the idolatry lie of Judaism. The blessing is not Sarah, Rebekka, and Rachel. It's Abraham, Issac, and Jacob! However most people have no clue of Matthew chapter 1 or Luke Chapter 3. Jesus grandfather was Joseph, the guardian of Christ not the biological father. Mary was married to a Joseph, and had a father named Jesus.

    • @jamilbiotech91
      @jamilbiotech91 8 місяців тому

      @@jrutt2675
      According to both Matthew and Luke, Jesus was born of a virgin. This claim, however, completely shatters the core Christian claim that Jesus was a legitimate heir to David’s throne and king of the Jews. The virgin birth myth undermines this fundamental Church teaching because tribal lineage is traced only through a person’s father, never the mother. This principle is clearly stated in the Torah:
      And on the first day of the second month, they assembled the whole congregation together, who registered themselves by families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head.
      (Numbers 1:18)
      According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

    • @jrutt2675
      @jrutt2675 8 місяців тому +1

      @@jamilbiotech91 Mary was a Virgin when she conceived him! The Holy Spirit can only be given from GOD!

    • @jamilbiotech91
      @jamilbiotech91 8 місяців тому

      @@jrutt2675
      So why mention Joseph?
      Jesus was not blood related to Joseph. You are undermining your own argument.
      ”and they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls. As the LORD commanded Moses, so he numbered them in the wilderness of Sinai.“
      ‭‭Numbers‬ ‭1‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

  • @NigelPhi
    @NigelPhi 8 місяців тому +13

    Rabbi singer isn't much of a rabbi, and to say he refute Christianity whilst getting everything wrong is impressive and I'm Jewish lol

    • @Doves778
      @Doves778 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@ElSa-fu8bi maybe Tovia is a secret believer in the new testament since all he does is read it, study it and talk about Jesus in all his videos.

    • @chillizora
      @chillizora 2 місяці тому

      @@ElSa-fu8bihow does it happen that he cant answer any question logically and straight to the point -
      He accuses Christians of being polytheistic
      If he wd understand what he reads he wd know we believe in one god jesus christ
      So obviously he must be dumb then or highly ignorant bc he runs around spreading lies about polytheistic “Christian “
      Mormons are polytheistic Christians
      If you bekieve in more than one god you are not Christian
      Yet he denies xtian principles in every video he spreads.
      Very disrespectful and untrustworthy

    • @ricardopadayachee4379
      @ricardopadayachee4379 20 днів тому

      @NigelPhi what did he get wrong

  • @VFXShawn
    @VFXShawn 11 місяців тому +25

    The word "Israel" is used of a man, a land, a people, a remnant, and of course, the Messiah. Tovia Singer has no excuse to be ignorant of this fact, so if he isn't ignorant, then he must be acting against the knowledge he has. What do you call a person who knows the truth, but hates it so deeply, they spend their life deceiving their listeners with lies. It is a cliche to say there is a special place in Hell for such people, but, let's be honest, there probably is.

    • @aprendiz4
      @aprendiz4 11 місяців тому +1

      Not only that, what do you call someone accusing others of what he himself knowingly has behind his back?

    • @cybersubstudioz1261
      @cybersubstudioz1261 11 місяців тому +7

      Pray for his repentance.

    • @SubliminAL-ql7go
      @SubliminAL-ql7go 11 місяців тому +1

      He’s literally a less extreme Saul.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому

      Virgin birth is a scam, Isaiah 7:14 does not talk about virgin birth, the Hebrew word used is "alma" meaning "young woman", ask any pastor who knows hebrew.
      Human sacrifice is an abomination. No, Isaiah 53 does not talk about messiah, forget about jesus. Read chapt 52 to know who is talking in chapt 53.
      There are many verses which contradict what the messiah is supposed to do. Example, messiah is supposed to bring peace and worldwide knowledge of Hashem. Jesus says "i have not come to bring peace but a sword". The so called prophecies about jesus are not about messiah at all.
      Jesus contradicts his own words in the gospels.
      None of what jesus prophesied is fulfilled. "Some of you standing here who will not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his glory". Are those people still alive coz jesus hasnt come back?
      There are many errors in the witness accounts of the gospels. How many women went to the tomb and what exactly happened there? Book of john says spices were already put before the burial, matthew says women bought spices to put for the body, how come the women didnt know that?
      When was jesus crucified? On the passover, before the passover or after?
      Define sacrifice. Jesus died and rose again, how's that a sacrifice if he didnt remain dead?
      There is only one Elohim, YHWH and He is the only saviour. Isaiah 42:8
      John 1:1 is the most ridiculous verse in NT. Word was with God, word was God? Looks like the writer was high on some drug.
      Trinity doctrine-God is three person but one God. Does that make sense? Its like saying i have a son but he is not separate from me, we are one person. Can we both have same name and identity proof?
      Jesus is all in one. He is God, he is man. He is king, he is priest. He is messiah, he is prophet. He is father, he is son.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому

      The NT is full of holes. Can anybody describe satan and hell using Tanakh, what christians like to call the old testament.

  • @TipeneIti
    @TipeneIti 3 місяці тому +6

    Just listened to your debate with Tovia in 1992... he got annihilated ...and still pumping out the hate against Christ... I truly hope and pray the brother has a 'Saul encounter' one day soon!

  • @Mfbhealingministry
    @Mfbhealingministry 11 місяців тому +19

    This was great. Thank you.

  • @theholywins
    @theholywins 7 місяців тому +5

    Your work is wonderful Dr. Brown. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you abundantly!

  • @ji-wonseong1623
    @ji-wonseong1623 9 місяців тому +24

    If I had a penny for the number of times Tovia has ran away from debating you, One for Israel ministries, Courtney Smith...I'd probably have enough pennies to purchase a house.

    • @textov1
      @textov1 6 місяців тому

      Then send Rabbi Singer your question(s) pretty simple

    • @Dougidance
      @Dougidance 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@textov1ño questions a live debate please

    • @chillizora
      @chillizora 2 місяці тому

      @@textov1do you listen to him ?
      There was a 10 min video as in him explaining
      Why god said lets make men in our image
      And why the jews make
      “ i made men in the image of angels “ out of it
      Complete distot
      He didnt answer the question at all but bashed polytheism of christianity
      Which we dont even believe in
      We believe exactly isiah 9,6
      He is son, father, mighty god, counselor, messiah
      In one.

    • @kingdavid255
      @kingdavid255 Місяць тому

      It’s run away. Not has ran away. You’re the kind of people who follow these two clowns. Figured.

  • @gospeltrax2513
    @gospeltrax2513 11 місяців тому +23

    Bravo, Dr. Brown. You are ideally qualified to debate with R. T. Singer since you are also 100% Jewish and your experience has been in this particular field of specialization. Somehow, we need to let the (non-believing) Jewish people know that you are here for them, so that they can hear BOTH SIDES of the story. And the more R. Singer is allowed to talk, the more he exposes himself as a person who does not truly understand the Bible (and I am being polite here). See what you can do to get on those orthodox radio programs as a "guest" simply so that Jewish people can learn WHY so many Jewish people believe in Yeshua.

    • @jamescobrien
      @jamescobrien 11 місяців тому +3

      Do you listen to Rabbi Singer's videos regularly to hear his side?

    • @yochananbenavraham9332
      @yochananbenavraham9332 11 місяців тому +2

      I’m 71% Jewish!

    • @emmanuel8310
      @emmanuel8310 9 місяців тому

      ​@@yochananbenavraham9332
      Nice.

    • @ji-wonseong1623
      @ji-wonseong1623 9 місяців тому

      @@jamescobrien Tovia blatantly lies and uses academic dishonesty. The LXX was used commonly during 2nd temple Judaism. We have Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus using the LXX- Josephus literally uses the LXX's chronology of Genesis 5 and 11.
      Isaiah 53 does not logically work if you replace "servant" with "Israel-" Israel cannot die for Israel or bring atonement in Isaiah 51. We also have Tovia Singer give equivalents for Daniel 12 regarding the Son of Man's divinity. Tovia knows the Son of Man is divine but refuses to acknowledge it.
      Courtney calls in to challenge Tovia Singer's interpretation of the New Testament. Watch this video and see Tovia admitting to Daniel 12 stating the Son of Man is divine.

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 7 місяців тому

      Non of the "so many" Jews who believe in Jesus were former orthodox "religious" Jews!! All of those "so many" Jews were ignorance people who were influence by missionaries. This is WHY so many Jewish people believe in Jesus.

  • @timhochstetler
    @timhochstetler 11 місяців тому +51

    the rabbi could be such a powerful weapon for God if his eyes could be opened. Pray for him.

    • @aprendiz4
      @aprendiz4 11 місяців тому +4

      Singer has lied so hypocritically and wickedly for so long that I think it's probably too late for him.

    • @cybersubstudioz1261
      @cybersubstudioz1261 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@@aprendiz4Don't lose hope, Let us all pray that Singer repents.

    • @cybersubstudioz1261
      @cybersubstudioz1261 11 місяців тому +3

      Indeed, Let us pray.

    • @PazPinhasRahamim9220
      @PazPinhasRahamim9220 11 місяців тому +4

      *See how you were all lied to:*
      *The Messiah making the sacrefices, including sin sacrefices as atonement for himself (!!) and for the people*
      *Ezekiel 45*
      17And the burnt-offerings and the meal-offerings and the libations on the Festivals and on the New Moons and on the Sabbaths, and on all the times fixed for meetings of the House of Israel shall devolve on the prince; *he shall prepare the sin-offering* and the meal-offering and the burnt offering and the peace-offering, *to effect atonement for the House of Israel.*
      22 *And the prince shall make on that day for himself and for all the people of Israel a bull for a sin-offering.*
      *Who beguiled you ?? You know the answer - Paul. Paul knew all that, but he also knew the gentiles couldn't read the hebrew. You all fell for the lies of a self proclaimed liar. He couldn't fool us.*
      *Why would I choose the words of a liar over the words of God through His chosen prophets??*

    • @pepepena1937
      @pepepena1937 11 місяців тому +9

      @@PazPinhasRahamim9220Lying Paz why don’t you ask Tovia Snakes to grow some guts and debate Dr. Brown , *ONE for ISRAEL* or *ANY* Hebrew speaking believers 🙏🙏🙏

  • @cosmiccruxbot3841
    @cosmiccruxbot3841 11 місяців тому +31

    In his vain attempts to constantly refute Jesus Christ as being the Meshiak (Messiah), Rabbi Tovia Singer is essentially wrestling with God.
    We should pray for this man, that like the Apostle Paul, who in his early days, struggled against Christ, by brutally persecuting Christians, God would give him a change of heart so that he becomes an instrument through which potentially millions could come to Christ. ❤

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому +1

      Well if the Rabbi is right, then you have your work cut out for you!

    • @Post-Trib
      @Post-Trib 11 місяців тому +5

      ​@@waitstill7091 except that he's wrong

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому

      @@Post-Trib Can you prove it?

    • @Post-Trib
      @Post-Trib 11 місяців тому +4

      @@waitstill7091 the NT proves it. Can you disprove the NT?

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому

      @@Post-Trib When Jesus told the high priest he would see him at the right hand of power. History tells us this never happened. Mark 14:61-62
      According to the Laws of Moses, this made Jesus a false prophet. See Deuteronomy 18:20-22

  • @KoltenTVC
    @KoltenTVC 3 місяці тому +2

    Reading what he told me to in Isaiah made me a stronger Christian and affirms the fact it’s about Jesus

  • @JoeWalsh786
    @JoeWalsh786 4 місяці тому +3

    Let's pray for Rabbi Singer that his eyes are opened to the truth who is Jesus the Messiah. If it can happen for St Paul, it can happen for Rabbi Singer! The Lord of Heaven's Armies is great!

  • @ivanipatov6559
    @ivanipatov6559 11 місяців тому +8

    Toviya Singer uses the same tactics as Muslims in Russia

    • @Azul901
      @Azul901 8 днів тому

      Toviya is a zionist.

  • @mattaikay925
    @mattaikay925 11 місяців тому +5

    May Adonai bless you and keep you - you are doing the most honorable of tasks

  • @albusai
    @albusai 11 місяців тому +6

    I am the one to blame for Jesus 's crucifixion 😢thank you Lord

  • @bryanentwistle7479
    @bryanentwistle7479 11 місяців тому +13

    The Muslims love to quote Singer's videos and comments.

    • @GodIsLove1015
      @GodIsLove1015 11 місяців тому

      That's because both the Muslims and Tovia Singer operate under the spirit of Lies and Deception.
      Arabic Qur'an, Sura 3:54
      They (Muslims) deceived, and the Unbelievers deceived, and Allah is the Best of Deceivers.
      So if the Muslims believe and worship a "god" who is a Deceiver - then what can we expect.

    • @Michaelbrown-j4l
      @Michaelbrown-j4l 11 місяців тому +9

      They have alot in common They hate each other.

    • @MBiernat0711
      @MBiernat0711 11 місяців тому +4

      Muslims actually believe Jesus to be the Messiah - although they reject Jesus’s crucifixion. Interestingly- the Quran does not really deny Jesus’s crucifixion, death and resurrection (only denies that it was the Jews who killed Jesus).
      So if anyone who calls him or herself a “Muslim” but denies that Jesus is the Messiah - they don’t know anything about Islam ;)
      Tovia Singer’s dark, slimy hatred toward Jesus and his followers would be considered “haram” by most religious Muslims.

    • @Michaelbrown-j4l
      @Michaelbrown-j4l 11 місяців тому +1

      @MBiernat0711 Muslims also beleive that miriam mother of Jesus is also Moses and arons sister......there is only 1300 years difference in the time frame.but the Koran is uncorrupted and perfect.

    • @MBiernat0711
      @MBiernat0711 11 місяців тому +4

      @@Michaelbrown-j4l that could be a purposeful connection-of course I used to make fun of the Quran because of mixing up the two - but then I understood that the Quran is, in essence- a book about the second coming of the Messiah and the end of the world, and the term “Allah and his Messenger” can be used in two different ways - the rasul Allah being EITHER Jesus or the “rasul on the the ground”, the Amir, the leader/ commander of the believers.
      Anyway -/ long story short - I understand now that connecting or paralleling Mariam the sister of Aaron with Mariam the mother of Jesus is done on purpose - to establish the identity of the Messiah as the priest.
      The Quran is a very poorly written book and assumes the audience’s familiarity with all the nuances of Christianity and Judaism of the late antiquity Middle East. With time - the background knowledge was lost or actively denied by new Muslim ruling classes. Therefore- today - there is hardly any Muslim who actually understands the Quran. Most of the understanding sits on the secular non Muslim scholars.

  • @Gutslinger
    @Gutslinger 11 місяців тому +5

    How ironic that he says, "It's very important that if someone wants to remain a Christian, just read 53." when a lot of rabbinic Jews skip Isaiah 53, essentially to remain a rabbinic Jew. Lol
    Isaiah 53 isn't the only place where you find prophesies of the Jesus the Messiah, buddy.

  • @patrickkrause7844
    @patrickkrause7844 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you Tovia Singer for everything you do. Once I started reading the scriptures entirely instead of listening to the bits and pieces our pastor would refer to I began to see the error of my ways. I repented and found everything I thought I had found in Yeshua actually in the L-rd. Light is the best disinfectant.
    Thank you Rabbi

  • @jamilbiotech91
    @jamilbiotech91 11 місяців тому +8

    Why is Dr.Brown being disingenuous?
    He knows there is more than one Messiah in the Bible
    1. The word “Messiah” is an English rendering of the Hebrew word “Mashiach”, whose translation is “Anointed”. It usually refers to a person initiated into G-d’s service by being anointed with oil. (Having oil poured on his head. Cf. Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3).
    2. There are many Messiahs in the Bible. Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as “an anointed one” (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: “G-d forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the L-rd’s Messiah [Saul]...” I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6.
    3. The Hebrew word “HaMashiach” (lit. the Messiah) describing a future anointed person to come does not appear anywhere in the Bible. Since the Bible makes no explicit reference to the Messiah, it is unlikely that it could be considered the most important concept in the Bible. Indeed, in Jewish thought, the Messianic idea is not the most crucial. However, in Christian thought, the Messiah is paramount- a difficulty in light of its conspicuous absence from scripture.
    4. Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of G-d. Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34.
    5. Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5.
    6. Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed one as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.
    7. The Bible never speaks about believing in the Messiah. Because his reign will be an historically verifiable reality, self-evident to any person, it won’t require belief or faith.
    8. Because no person has ever fulfilled the picture painted in the Bible of this future King, Jewish people still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.
    9. The claim that Jesus will fulfill the Messianic prophesies when he returns does not give him any credibility for his “first” coming. The Bible never speaks about the Messiah returning after an initial appearance. The “second coming” theory is a desperate attempt to explain away Jesus’ failure. The Biblical passages which Christians are forced to regard as second coming (#5 above) don’t speak of someone returning, they have a “first coming” perspective.
    10. According to Biblical tradition, Elijah the prophet will reappear before the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5-6). In the Greek Testament, Jesus claims that John the Baptist was Elijah (Matthew 11:13-14, 17:10-13). However, when John the Baptist was asked if he was Elijah, he denied it (John 1:21). The Gospel of Luke 1:17 tries to get around this problem by claiming that John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah. However:
    a) Malachi predicted that Elijah himself would return, and not just someone coming in his spirit.
    b) When asked about his identity, John the Baptist didn’t claim to have come in the spirit of Elijah - he claimed no association with Elijah at all.
    c) The prophesy about the return of Elijah says that he would restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers. There is no evidence that John the Baptist accomplished this.
    11. According to the Jewish Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of King David. (Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24) Although the Greek Testament traces the genealogy of Joseph (husband of Mary) back to David, it then claims that Jesus resulted from a virgin birth, and, that Joseph was not his father. (Mat. 1:18-23) In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption.

    • @alinaalina6965
      @alinaalina6965 11 місяців тому

      Thanks for the informations 🙌

  • @jkbugout
    @jkbugout 11 місяців тому +11

    I was blocked from commenting on his videos (with two accounts) because I kept proving he was wrong. He said Galatians 3:16 is not Jewish, but it lines up perfectly with Mishnah Shabbat 9:2.

    • @Testimony_Of_JTF
      @Testimony_Of_JTF 11 місяців тому

      @@ucantrun4ever461 *has

    • @eew8060
      @eew8060 11 місяців тому

      ​@@ucantrun4ever461
      ..now go back and correct your grammar or delete the whole comment. Next time you'll get a ticket!

    • @Exodus_Project
      @Exodus_Project 11 місяців тому

      Is this a joke? 😂

    • @eew8060
      @eew8060 11 місяців тому

      @@Exodus_Project
      What joke?

  • @michaelbartholomew1358
    @michaelbartholomew1358 23 дні тому +1

    If jesus is not the messiah than Daniel is no prophet but a liar. He said the messiah would come before the destruction of the temple. And Isaiah doesn't know his pronouns. He thinks all of Israel can be used the same a single person. He, him his instead of they, them and theirs. And apparently they will be pierced for our transgressions? Does that sound right?

  • @ShamelesslyRed
    @ShamelesslyRed 11 місяців тому +11

    Singer lives to threaten the faith of those young ones in the faith. God forgive him.

  • @BiblicalApologetics
    @BiblicalApologetics 11 місяців тому +10

    Dont worry Jonathan, Tovia doesnt want to debate myself either. He wont debate anyone with knowledge on Judaism or its lit.

    • @Exodus_Project
      @Exodus_Project 11 місяців тому +3

      If you have knowledge of Judaism, then I’m Joe Biden.

    • @Kingrich_777
      @Kingrich_777 11 місяців тому

      @@Exodus_Projectwhat makes you think you know bro?😭

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому +1

      Virgin birth is a scam, Isaiah 7:14 does not talk about virgin birth, the Hebrew word used is "alma" meaning "young woman", ask any pastor who knows hebrew.
      Human sacrifice is an abomination. No, Isaiah 53 does not talk about messiah, forget about jesus. Read chapt 52 to know who is talking in chapt 53.
      There are many verses which contradict what the messiah is supposed to do. Example, messiah is supposed to bring peace and worldwide knowledge of Hashem. Jesus says "i have not come to bring peace but a sword". The so called prophecies about jesus are not about messiah at all.
      Jesus contradicts his own words in the gospels.
      None of what jesus prophesied is fulfilled. "Some of you standing here who will not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his glory". Are those people still alive coz jesus hasnt come back?
      There are many errors in the witness accounts of the gospels. How many women went to the tomb and what exactly happened there? Book of john says spices were already put before the burial, matthew says women bought spices to put for the body, how come the women didnt know that?
      When was jesus crucified? On the passover, before the passover or after?
      Define sacrifice. Jesus died and rose again, how's that a sacrifice if he didnt remain dead?
      There is only one Elohim, YHWH and He is the only saviour. Isaiah 42:8
      John 1:1 is the most ridiculous verse in NT. Word was with God, word was God? Looks like the writer was high on some drug.
      Trinity doctrine-God is three person but one God. Does that make sense? Its like saying i have a son but he is not separate from me, we are one person. Can we both have same name and identity proof?
      Jesus is all in one. He is God, he is man. He is king, he is priest. He is messiah, he is prophet. He is father, he is son.

    • @yahooarchie8306
      @yahooarchie8306 7 місяців тому

      You are so misled that i think you are just a troll. Fascinating really.

  • @morningscurtainpoetry
    @morningscurtainpoetry 4 місяці тому +1

    I thank the Lord I discovered your ministry Dr. Brown. I heard the youtube recording of your 30 year old dialogue with Rabbi Singer. You debated him with such kindness, sincerity and Christian charity yet your arguments defending the faith were par excellence. Irrefutable. God bless you sir. May the Lord continue to bless your ministry.

  • @matthewn2559
    @matthewn2559 11 місяців тому +7

    I refuted Singer many times. I even gave money to his platform for the use of his channel. He blocked me once I refuted his lies.

  • @robbie8129
    @robbie8129 11 місяців тому +17

    This was one of my favourite debunking of Tovia Singer. We need another one to debunk the '3 days and 3 nights' he claims disproved Yeshua's ressurection, that the days and nights did not add up!

    • @luisrosalesEAGLE
      @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому +2

      That’s what Paul thought about yeshua He thought that Yeshua did not resurrect and look what happened to him in the end tovia still refutes himself and all his rabbinical literature. But he ignored that

    • @luisrosalesEAGLE
      @luisrosalesEAGLE 11 місяців тому

      ua-cam.com/users/livencG29lfQ3Fs?si=KGTDcmZy7MN_C6px

    • @missthunderstormable
      @missthunderstormable 11 місяців тому +1

      Josh mcdowell explained that

    • @robbie8129
      @robbie8129 11 місяців тому

      Have you got a link to Josh McDowell explanation, please?
      @@missthunderstormable

    • @kingshousetube
      @kingshousetube 10 місяців тому +2

      Sadly Christians seem unable to count to 3. I mean how do you get 3 days and 3 nights from Friday to Sunday very early in the morning? I think Christians need to stop being afraid to ask the right questions as God can surely answer them rather than trying to perform crazy miracles like cramming 3 days and 3 nights into Friday to Sunday. Just my take.

  • @vozdelatalaya2041
    @vozdelatalaya2041 2 місяці тому +2

    Tovia is a deceiver. A person of God talks and shows all teachings, writings, sources to explain. All messianic sources are skiped by tovia

  • @MBiernat0711
    @MBiernat0711 11 місяців тому +5

    I love all the points for the Messiah Jesus - but I have a question for all who know - how do we know that the prophecy about the Messiah’s (first) coming was foretold to happen BEFORE the destruction of the second temple? How to disprove a position that says the prediction was not made up AFTER the destruction, in order to legitimize Jesus as the Messiah?
    Thanks for all who answer

    • @andrewmiles2370
      @andrewmiles2370 11 місяців тому

      Is there a prophecy in particular you had in mind?

    • @nickolascook744
      @nickolascook744 11 місяців тому +4

      Daniels 70 weeks

    • @JRTIGER07
      @JRTIGER07 4 місяці тому +3

      *Daniel 9:24-27* 🙋‍♂️

  • @johnpratts2856
    @johnpratts2856 11 місяців тому +3

    35:00 Guys, the Gospel answer is in the Torah. 😊
    Exodus 24
    Then He said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and you shall worship at a distance. Moses alone, however, shall approach the LORD, but they shall not approach, nor shall the people come up with him.”
    Then Moses came and reported to the people all the words of the LORD and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the LORD has spoken we will do!” And Moses wrote down all the words of the LORD. Then he got up early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain with twelve memorial stones for the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the sons of Israel, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed bulls as peace offerings to the LORD. Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and the other half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it as the people listened; and they said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” SO MOSES TOOK THE BLOOD AND SPRINKLED IT ON THE PEOPLE, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
    Matthew 27 v25 is pointing to this moment because Yeshua/Jesus is establishing a New Covenant.

  • @Akhil_Chilukapati
    @Akhil_Chilukapati 11 місяців тому +18

    I would recommend you to have a conversation with Ben Shapiro about the Messiah, I think you are the best one to address him well than any other Christian Applogists

    • @PowerHog
      @PowerHog 11 місяців тому +3

      That would be great.

    • @cybersubstudioz1261
      @cybersubstudioz1261 11 місяців тому +1

      Agreed that he should talk to Ben.

    • @PazPinhasRahamim9220
      @PazPinhasRahamim9220 11 місяців тому +2

      *See how you were all lied to:*
      *The Messiah making the sacrefices, including sin sacrefices as atonement for himself (!!) and for the people*
      *Ezekiel 45*
      17And the burnt-offerings and the meal-offerings and the libations on the Festivals and on the New Moons and on the Sabbaths, and on all the times fixed for meetings of the House of Israel shall devolve on the prince; *he shall prepare the sin-offering* and the meal-offering and the burnt offering and the peace-offering, *to effect atonement for the House of Israel.*
      22 *And the prince shall make on that day for himself and for all the people of Israel a bull for a sin-offering.*
      *Who beguiled you ?? You know the answer - Paul. Paul knew all that, but he also knew the gentiles couldn't read the hebrew. You all fell for the lies of a self proclaimed liar. He couldn't fool us.*
      *Why would I choose the words of a liar over the words of God through His chosen prophets??*

    • @cosmiccruxbot3841
      @cosmiccruxbot3841 11 місяців тому +1

      ​​​@@PazPinhasRahamim9220Wow, you sound so much like a follower of Mohammed, who simply despises Paul despite the fact that if you all had even bothered to read the four Gospels themselves, you'd find that it was Christ himself who made those exorbitant claims about Himself, not Paul.
      You don't have to agree, but Paul simply reiterates what Christ instituted.
      It is obvious that you yourself have been beguiled by the deceptive liar Singer. Please investigate the nonsense he spews before you decide to jump onto his bandwagon of absurdities.
      Just saying...

    • @capricorn87
      @capricorn87 11 місяців тому +4

      @@PazPinhasRahamim9220Depart from this threat satan. If you don’t want to accept the attonement for your sins, that’s on you. Rebuke every demonic spirit making you blind from the truth. Jesus will start rebealing his truth to you and you will notice. It will be your decision than to not follow or follow the truth.

  • @SoYouAreB
    @SoYouAreB 11 місяців тому +2

    I love Michael Brown, so polite and knowledgeable. Preaching inspired by the Holy Spirit. God bless you.
    To Be a Sinner is a liar, no match with Michael Brown.

  • @bingo7799
    @bingo7799 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm pretty sure rabbi Singer censors out comments on his videos that challenge his positions leaving mostly syrupy gushing comments to show. This is not honest dialogue.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому +1

      Virgin birth is a scam, Isaiah 7:14 does not talk about virgin birth, the Hebrew word used is "alma" meaning "young woman", ask any pastor who knows hebrew.
      Human sacrifice is an abomination. No, Isaiah 53 does not talk about messiah, forget about jesus. Read chapt 52 to know who is talking in chapt 53.
      There are many verses which contradict what the messiah is supposed to do. Example, messiah is supposed to bring peace and worldwide knowledge of Hashem. Jesus says "i have not come to bring peace but a sword". The so called prophecies about jesus are not about messiah at all.
      Jesus contradicts his own words in the gospels.
      None of what jesus prophesied is fulfilled. "Some of you standing here who will not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his glory". Are those people still alive coz jesus hasnt come back?
      There are many errors in the witness accounts of the gospels. How many women went to the tomb and what exactly happened there? Book of john says spices were already put before the burial, matthew says women bought spices to put for the body, how come the women didnt know that?
      When was jesus crucified? On the passover, before the passover or after?
      Define sacrifice. Jesus died and rose again, how's that a sacrifice if he didnt remain dead?
      There is only one Elohim, YHWH and He is the only saviour. Isaiah 42:8
      John 1:1 is the most ridiculous verse in NT. Word was with God, word was God? Looks like the writer was high on some drug.
      Trinity doctrine-God is three person but one God. Does that make sense? Its like saying i have a son but he is not separate from me, we are one person. Can we both have same name and identity proof?
      Jesus is all in one. He is God, he is man. He is king, he is priest. He is messiah, he is prophet. He is father, he is son.

    • @bingo7799
      @bingo7799 9 місяців тому

      @@joshferns7114 You bring up a bunch of things that could be addressed individually. But one point is about the Messiah bringing a sword not peace. What Jesus was talking about was the reaction of worldly powers to his message. The world is in rebellion and fights against the truth until, one by one, their eyes are opened and hearts softened. Just look at the lives of the disciples and their persecution to understand what he was talking about. One day he will return and after defeating the defiant and rebellious there will be peace. It's just that the time hasn't come yet. Zechariah 12 talks about a person that they (Israel) will be shown, whom they "pierced" and they will weep bitterly after being shown. Who is that person and why are they so sad?

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому +1

      @@bingo7799 is there end of wars? Does the whole world know who is the true Hashem?
      The NT is inspired by holy spirit right? What if there are errors, contradictions in the stories, would you accept the truth or keep believing in lies coz you think you cant pay for your sins and will go to hell?

    • @bingo7799
      @bingo7799 9 місяців тому

      @@joshferns7114 What is always ignored about that is that Jesus has not yet completed the task of redemption of the world. His first task was the redemption of man's heart. That was set in motion in the New Testament days and continues still. The second part will be the redemption of the world system. That is to come. The issue with the world is not enough knowledge but matters of the heart. The "knowledge of Hashem" you mention is already available to anyone would seek it out. What Hashem is dealing with is the hearts of mankind. One prophesy says that he will give them a new heart.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому +1

      @@bingo7799 does the tanakh talk about messiah coming two times? Theres difference between available and knowing. Redemption on man's heart? Can you give scripture to support that?

  • @johnmarlow7959
    @johnmarlow7959 6 місяців тому +5

    I THANK RABBI TOVI SINGER FOR MAKING ME INCREASE MY FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

  • @seannews
    @seannews 11 місяців тому +7

    Isaiah 53 in no way makes sense if you apply it to Israel… why do they continue to make these arguments?

    • @Exodus_Project
      @Exodus_Project 11 місяців тому

      Proof That Christianity is Wrong About Isaiah 53!
      ua-cam.com/video/fdjBeIGvnVo/v-deo.html

    • @OrthodoxJoker
      @OrthodoxJoker 11 місяців тому +4

      Because if they admit it’s Christ then their false religion falls

  • @brianjohnson727
    @brianjohnson727 11 місяців тому +3

    Matthew 23:8....But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your [a]Teacher, [b]the Christ, and you are all brethren.

    • @zach25e
      @zach25e 7 місяців тому +2

      Or Father

  • @georgehart8179
    @georgehart8179 10 місяців тому +2

    Anything that the Bible says is good, all that goodness comes to us through the true Messiah, Jesus our Lord, who sacrificed Himself for our salvation.

  • @textov1
    @textov1 6 місяців тому +6

    well I was a christian but I found out that I was wrong when I was actually teaching a class at South Garland Baptist church in Garland Texas. I had 5 classes and with the preacher present(at the time) I denounced christianity. I've been waiting 30 years for that preacher to disprove what I said in that class that was incorrect. Even my brother was sitting there. I brought up to the question as to what in the new testament did jesus ever fulfill? Since he didn't fulfill anything written, what, he has to come back and try it again. Ask yourself about how long is a generation? What do you say about matthew 5:17-20 about the jot and tittle? Another question is why did paul happen to rewrite what is spoken in Ezekiel about being with a group of people by the river Kevar but only he, Ezekiel, heard the voice of HaShem? paul claims the same thing walking on a road to Damarcus. You can bring this to a close in a real simple way and that's read about Passover in the Hebrew Scriptures and find me one place where it says a lamb is sacrificed for sin. It's always a goat, so my question is how did the church change a goat into a lamb You could carry this on to a another connection to Passover. Why doesn't' matthew and john agree on the day of the "last supper" and the day he got nailed to the cross? Oh, if you find a rabbit that lays an egg, especially one that has color, grab it and you can make a fortune! Funny, the real Passover doesn't always happen on the same day and by the way, you don't consume blood so your communion is just an reenactment of cabalism depending on it you do it weekly or monthly.

    • @TheTruthisLord
      @TheTruthisLord 4 місяці тому

      ​@ElSa-fu8bi you use words like "no cap".. I highly doubt you're intelligent enough to be considered a reliable translator.

    • @oerksanizer
      @oerksanizer 4 місяці тому

      Dear friend
      What you need is not facts, but faith.
      He has no use for conceited people, but shows favor to those who are humble. Proverbs 3, 34
      These contradictions, as you call them can be refuted quite simply, as I'm sure many believers already did before refute them, hopefully with love and grace.
      But reason is never the problem with unbelief, but rather a hardend heart, that will use every excuse not to repent, either by denying the Lord or by denying his divinity. But as a fact where there is unbelief, there always is sin.
      So if you would humble yourself, or God humbles you (as he did humble Nebukadnezar), God will reveal yourself to you, and you can be healed.
      All this is not a matter of intellect, but rather a matter of the heart.
      I hope and pray that you might be saved at last!
      Kind regards
      Christoph

    • @JRTIGER07
      @JRTIGER07 4 місяці тому

      Out of all you wrote chose ONE that your biggest Stumbling Block and i will use Scripture to Explain 🙋‍♂️ Bless you 🙏

  • @jimpsonuyaguari9665
    @jimpsonuyaguari9665 11 місяців тому +3

    Thanks to God I trust in his Word through the Lord and Savior Jesus, I also was deceived by the lies of T. Singer teachings on the Old Testament before I came to know Dr. Brown teachings on the Old Testament.

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 7 місяців тому +1

      Dr brown is also a deceiver! Show me where you was persuaded by Dr brown's teaching, I'll show how he deceived you

  • @robertzabick1030
    @robertzabick1030 11 місяців тому +2

    Are you saying Tovia Singer is in error, about the Messiah, or are you implying that the Rabbi knows the truth, but is intentionally working to deceive listeners with lies? I am a believer, but I do not find in the Hebrew Bible where the Messiah will perform miracles, or that he will die for sins. It states clearly that the Messiah will be a man, and this man will worship God. Is Jesus both God and the Messiah?

    • @andrewhinson4323
      @andrewhinson4323 11 місяців тому +3

      If you reject reject the Son, you reject the Father. No better way to reject the Son that to reject His own claims about Himself.
      The Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy when He said “I am.” They knew Jesus was claiming to be God, not just the messiah.
      Why are you obtuse to this?

    • @robertzabick1030
      @robertzabick1030 11 місяців тому

      Have you read the attributes and description of the Messiah in the Old Testament? If you did, how can you believe that the Messiah and God are one and the same? @@andrewhinson4323

    • @elroi8325
      @elroi8325 11 місяців тому +1

      God is the only redeemer​@@robertzabick1030

    • @AnHebrewChild
      @AnHebrewChild 10 місяців тому

      Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing.
      Isa35:4
      And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
      Isa29:18
      The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:
      Psa146:8
      O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
      Jer31
      And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.
      Mat15 > < Mrk7
      Your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing.
      Isa35

    • @ampagetech2624
      @ampagetech2624 7 місяців тому

      @@andrewhinson4323 That He said “I am.” is a later christology , if he went around saying I am why he other 3 gospels were silent on it , the most important thig to report ? Its a later embellishment of the jesus legend

  • @stephenarrigo5679
    @stephenarrigo5679 11 місяців тому +2

    Again, misleading, selective scripture references by the Rabbi with poor exegesis utilized to obscure Biblical truth...This serves as testimony of the importance for ALL Christians to read the Bible not only to discern the false teachings of Rabbi Singer but also Christian denominations that subvert the truth of Scripture!!

  • @BibleBreakout
    @BibleBreakout 11 місяців тому +4

    Don't read Isaiah 42? 😂 is he serious? Has this guy ever read the Gospels?

  • @armageddonnews
    @armageddonnews 11 місяців тому +5

    The Targums say Isaiah 42-53 is Messiah -Poor Tovia never read those

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 6 місяців тому

      Targum Jonathan in Isaiah 53:2-10-11 EXPLICITLY says it's about Israel!!

    • @Sgregory22
      @Sgregory22 6 місяців тому

      @@nathankupczyk3125no it doesn't

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 6 місяців тому

      @@Sgregory22 where have you read it? Did you read it in the original Aramaic or translation?

    • @Jwalker-sq2jt
      @Jwalker-sq2jt 5 місяців тому

      ​@nathankupczyk3125 The Targum is an Aramaic paraphrase/explanation/interpretation of the Hebrew text of the Jewish Scriptures provided by the rabbis in the course of teaching. These paraphrases or explanations were not meant to carry equal authority with the Word of God, and it was normally forbidden to record them in writing, just to make sure that no one would equate them with the written Word of God. However, this rule was not always obeyed, and a good many were written down. In some circles, certain of the targumim were considered authoritative. Various rabbis whose targumim were recorded had followers who accepted their explanations as authoritative, and, in some cases, they put them on par with the Word of God.

    • @Jwalker-sq2jt
      @Jwalker-sq2jt 5 місяців тому

      ​@Sgregory22 Targum is an interpretation not scripture!

  • @danielukpong4675
    @danielukpong4675 10 місяців тому

    God bless you brethren for your labor of LOVE in Christ Jesus. You have done a great job. God bless your ministries in Jesus Christ's Name Amen.

  • @nothingnothing7958
    @nothingnothing7958 11 місяців тому +1

    Tovia is definitely deceitful, for example with Genesis 19:24 he said the second Yaweh was the two angels because they acted like God which is a blasphemous interpretation, you can never call anything but God himself Yaweh. Also with Exodus 23:21 he said the Angel physically cant forgive sins not that he chooses to not forgive sins even though the Hebrew in the verse is the same in Joshua 24:19 so by Tovias interpretation God himself lacks the ability to forgive sins.

    • @Yesunimwokozi1
      @Yesunimwokozi1 9 місяців тому

      He is ready to blasphemy God ,when attacking christians

  • @Scrupulouslyhonest
    @Scrupulouslyhonest 11 місяців тому +14

    Thank you both for defending the facts.

    • @PazPinhasRahamim9220
      @PazPinhasRahamim9220 11 місяців тому +1

      *See how you were all lied to:*
      *The Messiah making the sacrefices, including sin sacrefices as atonement for himself (!!) and for the people*
      *Ezekiel 45*
      17And the burnt-offerings and the meal-offerings and the libations on the Festivals and on the New Moons and on the Sabbaths, and on all the times fixed for meetings of the House of Israel shall devolve on the prince; *he shall prepare the sin-offering* and the meal-offering and the burnt offering and the peace-offering, *to effect atonement for the House of Israel.*
      22 *And the prince shall make on that day for himself and for all the people of Israel a bull for a sin-offering.*
      *Who beguiled you ?? You know the answer - Paul. Paul knew all that, but he also knew the gentiles couldn't read the hebrew. You all fell for the lies of a self proclaimed liar. He couldn't fool us.*
      *Why would I choose the words of a liar over the words of God through His chosen prophets??*

    • @Scrupulouslyhonest
      @Scrupulouslyhonest 11 місяців тому

      @@PazPinhasRahamim9220 That passage in Ezekiel was an offer made to exiled Israelites during the time of Ezekiel, not a future or end time prophecy. Getting the temple was contingent on the exiles' attitude and compliance to Elohim's requirements. Elohim to Ezekiel "And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them" (Ezek 49:11). Clearly, that offer was for the ancient exiles, not for other generations. Also, notice, the word meant the offer was dependent on their attitude and obedience. They never complied and never received that temple.

    • @Scrupulouslyhonest
      @Scrupulouslyhonest 11 місяців тому

      Ezekiel 45 describes events that were contingent on ancient exiled Israelites compliance to Elohim's expectations. Elohim's offer was to those in exile during Ezekiel's lifetime, not for future generations. Paul did not lie. Rather those who accuse him of such do not attend to context of the accounts.
      That passage in Ezekiel was an offer made to exiled Israelites during the time of Ezekiel, not a future or end time prophecy. Getting the temple was contingent on the exiles' attitude and compliance to Elohim's requirements. Elohim to Ezekiel "And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them" (Ezek 49:11). Clearly, that offer was for the ancient exiles, not for other generations. Also, notice, the word "if" meant the offer was dependent on their attitude and obedience. They never complied and never received that temple.

    • @Michaelbrown-j4l
      @Michaelbrown-j4l 11 місяців тому

      ​@@PazPinhasRahamim9220there is always 2 sides to every story start listening to both.tovia is a fraud.

    • @PazPinhasRahamim9220
      @PazPinhasRahamim9220 11 місяців тому

      @@Michaelbrown-j4l
      No.... You were all lied to, here's just another small taste:
      *Proof that isiah **7:14** speaks of a woman that is already pregnant.*
      *This is the original text from Isaiah 7:14:*
      לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם--אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, *הָרָה hara* וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.
      *See the correct translation (chabad):*
      14Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, *the young woman is with child,* and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
      *Hara - present tense examples: (KJV + NIV)*
      _______________________________________________
      *Genesis 16:11*
      וַיֹּ֤אמֶר לָהּ֙ מַלְאַ֣ךְ יְהוָ֔ה הִנָּ֥ךְ *הָרָ֖ה hara* וְיֹלַ֣דְתְּ בֵּ֑ן וְקָרָ֤את שְׁמוֹ֙ יִשְׁמָעֵ֔אל כִּֽי־שָׁמַ֥ע יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־עָנְיֵֽךְ׃
      And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, *thou art with child* and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
      _______________________________________________
      *Genesis 38:24*
      וַיְהִ֣י ׀ כְּמִשְׁלֹ֣שׁ חֳדָשִׁ֗ים וַיֻּגַּ֨ד לִֽיהוּדָ֤ה לֵֽאמֹר֙ זָֽנְתָה֙ תָּמָ֣ר כַּלָּתֶ֔ךָ וְגַ֛ם הִנֵּ֥ה *הָרָ֖ה hara* לִזְנוּנִ֑ים וַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהוּדָ֔ה הוֹצִיא֖וּהָ וְתִשָּׂרֵֽף׃
      And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, *she is with child* by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
      _______________________________________________
      *Genesis 38:25*
      הִ֣וא מוּצֵ֗את וְהִ֨יא שָׁלְחָ֤ה אֶל־חָמִ֙יהָ֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר לְאִישׁ֙ אֲשֶׁר־אֵ֣לֶּה לּ֔וֹ אָנֹכִ֖י *הָרָ֑ה hara* וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הַכֶּר־נָ֔א לְמִ֞י הַחֹתֶ֧מֶת וְהַפְּתִילִ֛ים וְהַמַּטֶּ֖ה הָאֵֽלֶּה׃
      When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, *am I with child:* and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff
      _______________________________________________
      *1st Samuel **4:19*
      וְכַלָּת֣וֹ אֵֽשֶׁת־פִּינְחָס֮ *הָרָ֣ה hara* לָלַת֒ וַתִּשְׁמַ֣ע אֶת־הַשְּׁמֻעָ֔ה אֶל־הִלָּקַח֙ אֲר֣וֹן הָאֱלֹהִ֔ים וּמֵ֥ת חָמִ֖יהָ וְאִישָׁ֑הּ וַתִּכְרַ֣ע וַתֵּ֔לֶד כִּֽי־נֶהֶפְכ֥וּ עָלֶ֖יהָ צִרֶֽיהָ׃שמואל א', ד', יט'
      And his daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, *was with child, near to be delivered:* and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and travailed; for her pains came upon her.
      _______________________________________________
      *2 Samuel 11:5*
      וַתַּ֖הַר הָֽאִשָּׁ֑ה וַתִּשְׁלַח֙ וַתַּגֵּ֣ד לְדָוִ֔ד וַתֹּ֖אמֶר *הָרָ֥ה hara* אָנֹֽכִי׃
      And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, *I am with child.*
      _______________________________________________
      *Jeremiah 31:8 NIV*
      הִנְנִי֩ מֵבִ֨יא אוֹתָ֜ם מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צָפ֗וֹן וְקִבַּצְתִּים֮ מִיַּרְכְּתֵי־אָרֶץ֒ בָּ֚ם עִוֵּ֣ר וּפִסֵּ֔חַ *הָרָ֥ה hara* וְיֹלֶ֖דֶת יַחְדָּ֑ו קָהָ֥ל גָּד֖וֹל יָשׁ֥וּבוּ הֵֽנָּה׃
      See, I will bring them from the land of the north
      and gather them from the ends of the earth.
      Among them will be the blind and the lame,
      *expectant mothers* and women in labor; a great throng will return.
      _______________________________________________
      *Isaiah 26:17*
      כְּמ֤וֹ *הָרָ֥ה hara* תַּקְרִ֣יב לָלֶ֔דֶת תָּחִ֥יל תִּזְעַ֖ק בַּחֲבָלֶ֑יהָ כֵּ֛ן הָיִ֥ינוּ מִפָּנֶ֖יךָ יְהוָֽה׃
      As *a pregnant woman* about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord.
      _______________________________________________
      *Exodus 21:22*
      וְכִֽי־יִנָּצ֣וּ אֲנָשִׁ֗ים וְנָ֨גְפ֜וּ אִשּׁה *הָרָה֙ hara* וְיָצְא֣וּ יְלָדֶ֔יהָ וְלֹ֥א יִהְיֶ֖ה אָס֑וֹן עָנ֣וֹשׁ יֵעָנֵ֗שׁ כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֨ר יָשִׁ֤ית עָלָיו֙ בַּ֣עַל הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וְנָתַ֖ן בִּפְלִלִֽים׃
      22 “If people are fighting and hit *a pregnant woman* and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.
      _______________________________________________
      Your faith is based on lies... I'm sorry. Learn Hebrew.

  • @orangemanbad
    @orangemanbad 10 місяців тому +7

    Tovia, I followed for a long time and found him incredibly convincing. However, I started cross referencing his claims and found he’s incredibly deceptive and often flat out lies. I know he does it because he believes Jesus is not divine so he thinks his lies are done for the good. But it’s NEVER good to lie about scripture.

    • @ampagetech2624
      @ampagetech2624 7 місяців тому

      Give examples of his flat lies. Give proof

    • @orangemanbad
      @orangemanbad 7 місяців тому +3

      @@ampagetech2624 there are MANY. one good lie to show how he works and his deceptive tactics. His claim: “watch what the Christians do to my Bible. They change the order of it to make it seem chirstological. They put the book of Malachi LAST to make it look like it’s showing the coming of Christ.” FACT: Malachi was the last written book of the “Old Testament” books by year hence why it comes last hence why it seems so christological - because it is.

    • @chillizora
      @chillizora 2 місяці тому

      @@ampagetech2624his explanation why god said let us make men in our image and how rabbies change it to
      “ i make men in the image of angels”
      He explains it by god asking hiob where he was at the beginning of the earth when the angels were watching
      What unrelated nonsense
      Nowhere is this an explanation thag god talks to angels as “ us” he never did
      They are not on his level
      Nor does it explain that we are created after angels and god cant have a body.
      Of course angels can be presented but this has no correlation at all
      Its a nonesensical unrelated empty answer
      Its a men made idea god cant have a body
      That we look like angels and god is speaking to angels instead of another equal deity he addresses as US.
      He jibberishes

  • @melvincaramba2942
    @melvincaramba2942 11 місяців тому +2

    Why Tovia Singer warns people NOT TO READ some Holy part of the Holy Book of Prophet Isaiah? Tovia NOTHING IS FORBIDDEN IN ANY PART OF THE HOLY TANACH. IT WAS GIVEN AND WRITTEN FOR US TO READ, STUDY AND LEARN. WE MUST RESPECT ANY BOOKS ( all passages) IN THE HOLY TANACH. READ, STUDY AND LEARN ALL THE HOLY BOOKS OF THE HOLY TANACH. BECAUSE IT WILL HELP YOU TO COME CLOSER TO ABBA YHWH AVINU MALKEINU. IT IS ABBA YHWH REVELATION TO ALL WHO READ, STUDY, LEARN AND BELIEVE. READ THE WHOLE HOLY TANACH AND MEDITATE ON IT. IT WILL GIVE YOU MORE WISDOM AND PROTECTION FROM THIS SINFUL WORLD. HALLELUJAH AMEN

  • @helenswift4972
    @helenswift4972 Місяць тому +1

    I agree Tovia Singer only debates the Biblically illiterate, and Rabbinic illiterate.

  • @MavourneenKathleen-l5j
    @MavourneenKathleen-l5j 4 місяці тому +1

    I was referred to Rabbi Singer and how Greek, Hellenized Jews were not accurate with Septuagint that did gi beyond the Torah.
    Listening to him as a Roman Catholic, he put me on hold but then my wheels started going and did my own research.
    The original Hebrew bible is lost. So the Hebrews had used the Oral Tradition to convey and pass down faith, the same with Apostolic Christianity except the Eastern church still retains the use of the Septuagint that is expanded for inclusion of later books.
    The bottom line is the trouble with text itself, human made, reflects its particular time and history.
    You can read text on your own ,pray to the Holy Spirit to guide you, but God and believers are meant to be part of sacred gathering.
    God always provides those in authority to understand God’s Word in how He wants us to hear, listen, and live out. We can read something, instructions, etc., but a teacher can show us directiy how to understand and apply.
    The problems in past have been affected by agendas in interpretation, and there are definite agendas that particularly came out after Christ.
    There is likewise massive misinterpretation and spins by Rabbi Singer in how he equates Christianity as idolatry as well as mixing up with what it means with common values to be human and that which is pagan.
    A goo example is the Golden Calf, that was created to actually be a servant for all that is carnal. He excuse Islam because it is anti Trinity, although Islam gives license to kill, steal, plunder, commit takire, lying to the infidel and not acknowledge Islamic, peaceful sleeper cells waiting for orders. And this as well, listening to him must give more cause to such radical, modern terrorists.
    Finally switching out Singer, I have gone back to the Dead Sea Scrolls that affirm my faith that Isaiah does completely provide the entire text referring to awaited Messiah Christ.
    So it is the oldest preserved Word of God, the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered one year before restoration of the nation of Israel in 1948.
    The other intersting point, the book entirely preserved are the Scrolls.
    Finally, for 2,000 years Christians have been trying to bring the Jews to Christ.. reading testimonies of Jews who became Catholic, there is a very obvious sign God gave them extraordinary grace.
    Go back to the Gospel of John 4, 5 and His insistence that Scripture is not enough for eternal life, that He must be the Bread of Life. He responded to a Jew he could not believe because God was not drawing Him.
    We should increase our prayers to the Heavenly Father to now draw the Jews to Him aa the time of Grntiles are coming to fruition.
    Likewise we recall the souls of the just who appeared after the Crucifixion, Christ on Holy Saturday Who prepared the souls of the just to enter heaven when as High Priest, He opened the gate into heaven, these the just Jews and all just souls to eternal life.

  • @johnmarlow7959
    @johnmarlow7959 6 місяців тому +1

    I told in a chat that Rome is the iron on the 10 horned beast, Rabbi Tovia said the same thing, and one of his chat members said, "Who's said that, and your christology? I said Daniel, Revelation, and Rabbi Tovia Singer said it. The chatter was puzzled and couldn't believe it. 😮😮😮😮

  • @johngarcia6193
    @johngarcia6193 10 місяців тому +1

    However, Rabbi Singer is quoting directly from Hebrew scripture. You are quoting from Greek interpretation. The Rabbi also proves that the christian messiah had not fulfilled the prophecies, which is a fact . Christianity must also explain the use of the many images of the Jesus, , the Sunday worships, the vast division of christian organizations, the tax free wealth that is used not to help the poor or sick, the entry into politics of hate , the creation of an "antichrist " and the misuse of the true purpose of the satan. Also you seem to focus on only the Rabbi or are you attacking the entire Jewish faith?

  • @yb2111
    @yb2111 11 місяців тому

    Curious here. Does this channel entrance the teaching of the Trinity?

  • @God1stProductions
    @God1stProductions 11 місяців тому +11

    Tovia swinger is one of the biggest decivers out there.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому +2

      Virgin birth is a scam, Isaiah 7:14 does not talk about virgin birth, the Hebrew word used is "alma" meaning "young woman", ask any pastor who knows hebrew.
      Human sacrifice is an abomination. No, Isaiah 53 does not talk about messiah, forget about jesus. Read chapt 52 to know who is talking in chapt 53.
      There are many verses which contradict what the messiah is supposed to do. Example, messiah is supposed to bring peace and worldwide knowledge of Hashem. Jesus says "i have not come to bring peace but a sword". The so called prophecies about jesus are not about messiah at all.
      Jesus contradicts his own words in the gospels.
      None of what jesus prophesied is fulfilled. "Some of you standing here who will not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his glory". Are those people still alive coz jesus hasnt come back?
      There are many errors in the witness accounts of the gospels. How many women went to the tomb and what exactly happened there? Book of john says spices were already put before the burial, matthew says women bought spices to put for the body, how come the women didnt know that?
      When was jesus crucified? On the passover, before the passover or after?
      Define sacrifice. Jesus died and rose again, how's that a sacrifice if he didnt remain dead?
      There is only one Elohim, YHWH and He is the only saviour. Isaiah 42:8
      John 1:1 is the most ridiculous verse in NT. Word was with God, word was God? Looks like the writer was high on some drug.
      Trinity doctrine-God is three person but one God. Does that make sense? Its like saying i have a son but he is not separate from me, we are one person. Can we both have same name and identity proof?
      Jesus is all in one. He is God, he is man. He is king, he is priest. He is messiah, he is prophet. He is father, he is son.

    • @dominikdurkovsky8318
      @dominikdurkovsky8318 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@joshferns7114 dude did you just say that the Trinity is false because you Don't get it?
      Is that the best you have.
      There is a logical necessity for God to be triune, let me explain:
      There can only be one God, since if there were 2 equal gods that would necessitate another greater being, so we know God is one. However we Also know that God is Love. With this, it is to be concluded, that God cannot simply be love without having someone to love and without there being s person who loves. It cannot be said that it was us who were Made because of that, because that would mean God needed us, which would not make him the perfectly All powerful God we know. Thus the Trinity is truthful:
      The loving one = the Father
      The love = the Holy Spirit
      The beloved = the Son
      Logic necessitates the Trinity, though unexplainable, it is the only possible way for God to be love.
      Also, could you please just stop trying to make a whole debate in a random kind person's comment ?
      You sound like you just came here to satisfy your ego.

    • @dominikdurkovsky8318
      @dominikdurkovsky8318 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@joshferns7114 Also, the sword prophecy means Division.
      It would be obvious, if you weren't just reading the bible as subjectively as possible to prove your point, since that decision blinds people.
      Try reading the bible along with the church fathers and cultural context

    • @dominikdurkovsky8318
      @dominikdurkovsky8318 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@joshferns7114 the Son of Man standing in Glory part is talking about the crucifixion and the ressurection. As we can see in Matthew's gospel, people rose from the dead during Jesus's crucifixion, proving that some would still be alive before they would see him glorified on the cross and in the ressurection.

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 6 місяців тому

      @@dominikdurkovsky8318 if jesus is a separate God and YHWH is separate God, then there are three separate Gods including holy spirit which contradicts the torah and the prophets.
      God is not a man that He needs someone to love, He didnt make man to worship Him.
      God is eternal so why would He need a son? only mythical pagan gods get old and die so they used to impregnate human women (thats just a legend).
      A son cannot exist at the same time as the father, either he is created or born, so which one is jesus?
      Can you show scripture evidence of jesus' existence in the Jewish bible which clearly shows it is about jesus.
      How does none of the prophets knew about YHWH having a son named jesus? The only son mentioned is Israel, His firstborn.

  • @busfeet2080
    @busfeet2080 11 місяців тому +1

    I don’t see why we should believe Daniel 7:14 hasn’t been fulfilled yet. There are believers in all nations. It sounds like all nations worship Him to me.

    • @timhochstetler
      @timhochstetler 3 місяці тому

      yes, why in the rest of the bible about how many weeks between things that happened now has a completely different timeline in daniel?

  • @DavidFardenJr
    @DavidFardenJr 4 місяці тому +2

    Tovia Singer has turned a lot of folks away from Christianity. Yet he teaches stuff that goes against their own sages and Rabbis of old. He plays on peoples ignorance.

  • @nisimfalach5692
    @nisimfalach5692 6 місяців тому

    האם את מכחיש מתיו שינה מיכה 5 הוריד את המלים " מוצאתיו '" הוציא את פסוק מהקשרו ?? אם אתה מכחיש עברים שינו את תהלים כתוב " גוף הכנת לי " במקום אזנים כרת לי ? אתה מכחיש ?

  • @jefferyholmes4954
    @jefferyholmes4954 11 місяців тому +9

    I'm needed this video because the rabbi seems to be very convincing and makes me think that maybe my faith could be misplaced.

    • @smj5808
      @smj5808 11 місяців тому +1

      He will say anything to malign the New Testament and even deny Yeshua existed, that's his level of extreme. He is a terrible and shameless deceiver, unembarassed by his own deceptions. The rabbinic/ Talmudic "noahides" fall for him hook line and sin[g]er, all the way to apostasy.

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому

      @@smj5808 It isn't "extreme" to deny Jesus ever existed. There isn't any archeological proof for his existence. Now, historical evidence would suggest he existed, but it's not a definitive conclusion. In regards to your accusation of Rabbi Singer, how do you believe he is deceptive?

    • @notawinemom8540
      @notawinemom8540 11 місяців тому +4

      If you just ask the father to reveal Jesus to you, in a dream or a vision, he will do it. That's all I prayed for my atheist husband last year & God delivered big time within 3 days.

    • @smj5808
      @smj5808 11 місяців тому

      ​@@waitstill7091You don't deny he argued Jesus never existed, and I find it interesting that you defend that view by referring to the lack of archaeological evidence. Applying the same rationale you just used, what archaeological evidence is there that Moses and Israel walked the wilderness for 400 or so years? What archaeological evidence that manna came from heaven to feed the children? What archaeological evidence that Jacob wrestled with God ...who saw that?! What archaeological evidence is there that YOU exist? Yet here we are debating the existence of Jesus, yet Paul knew about him, and was present at the stoning of Stephen 2 or 3 years after Christs resurrection. Then Paul wrote about the followers of Jesus 45-60 AD, excellent transmission evidence there. He knew followers in the immediate circle of Christ. Josephus wrote about Jesus 90AD " if indeed he was a man", and the Talmud even records a Simon Kepha the rabbis were trying to claim was working undercover for them. Christians need to watch out for the noahide cult too.

    • @smj5808
      @smj5808 11 місяців тому +4

      Stick with Dr Browne who actually is a scholar and knows what he is talking about. Do not be deceived in the last days my friend. Stay very very close to Jesus and may God bless and keep you safe.

  • @quikgospel
    @quikgospel 11 місяців тому +1

    Re: Dan 7, you may have mentioned that Jesus told Pilate His kingdom was not now (not of this world). If it were of this world my servants (His angels) would fight for Me. I give up my life willingly (as a Lamb to the slaughter). Jesus Himself addresses R.T. Singer's confusion about the Messianic plan and purpose. It is a sheer lack of knowledge on his part (or something far worse).

  • @bingo7799
    @bingo7799 11 місяців тому +7

    Most rabbis reject the idea of vicarious atonement which is plainly taught in Isaiah 53.

    • @bingo7799
      @bingo7799 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Jebusisblatantidolatry Read Isaiah 53 again. It can't be Israel because there are two entities mentioned. One is the "servant' and one is "my people". (Israel) They cannot be the same because one is acting on behalf of the other.

  • @Mark-cd2wf
    @Mark-cd2wf 11 місяців тому +2

    You can remain a Christian and safely ignore what Tovia Singer says.

  • @MrFender0777
    @MrFender0777 8 місяців тому +4

    Praise Jesus for you Dr. The Lord blessed me and removed the doubt caused by Rabbi Singer because of you. Thank you so much!

  • @ToastSoon4808
    @ToastSoon4808 11 місяців тому +1

    Must admit - if I see Singer is particapating I avoid listening. He has a rather sarcastic artitude and comments bordering on insulting christians....and there is nothing to learn from him.

  • @eldridgedatu7613
    @eldridgedatu7613 11 місяців тому +3

    I watched one of the video of rabbi in the philippines he's decieving my people that Jesus was not the Messiah.. he loves to talk to none jewish people because he was a jewish and more knowledge about hebrew scriptures! But praying for people he encountered no one will shake about their faith.. let Lord Jesus strengthen the faith of His people.. GodBless..

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому

      Virgin birth is a scam, Isaiah 7:14 does not talk about virgin birth, the Hebrew word used is "alma" meaning "young woman", ask any pastor who knows hebrew.
      Human sacrifice is an abomination. No, Isaiah 53 does not talk about messiah, forget about jesus. Read chapt 52 to know who is talking in chapt 53.
      There are many verses which contradict what the messiah is supposed to do. Example, messiah is supposed to bring peace and worldwide knowledge of Hashem. Jesus says "i have not come to bring peace but a sword". The so called prophecies about jesus are not about messiah at all.
      Jesus contradicts his own words in the gospels.
      None of what jesus prophesied is fulfilled. "Some of you standing here who will not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his glory". Are those people still alive coz jesus hasnt come back?
      There are many errors in the witness accounts of the gospels. How many women went to the tomb and what exactly happened there? Book of john says spices were already put before the burial, matthew says women bought spices to put for the body, how come the women didnt know that?
      When was jesus crucified? On the passover, before the passover or after?
      Define sacrifice. Jesus died and rose again, how's that a sacrifice if he didnt remain dead?
      There is only one Elohim, YHWH and He is the only saviour. Isaiah 42:8
      John 1:1 is the most ridiculous verse in NT. Word was with God, word was God? Looks like the writer was high on some drug.
      Trinity doctrine-God is three person but one God. Does that make sense? Its like saying i have a son but he is not separate from me, we are one person. Can we both have same name and identity proof?
      Jesus is all in one. He is God, he is man. He is king, he is priest. He is messiah, he is prophet. He is father, he is son.

    • @eldridgedatu7613
      @eldridgedatu7613 9 місяців тому

      @@joshferns7114 did alma in the times of prophet issaiah is not a vergin?? It is rigth? If not then what is the sign?? Then you answerd your self!
      Second, God said His Son Jesus to die in our place it is forshadow when abraham offered his son issach!
      You said there are many verses are contradict but you give only one and not even accurate! First Jesus said he came not to bring peace, but sword, this verses is a prophecy in the future, even when Jesus was in jerusalem the religiois people like you are angry because of jelous!
      Many prophecy that Jesus fortold! First, the destrucrion of the temple! Jesus prophecied! 2nd! Jesus told aboit His death on the cross! Confirm! Jesis prophecy about end times sa signs! Not its happening! I don't know if you believe because you don't believe Jesus!
      3rd! You don't believe the word God has a SON! you yourselves denied your Bible! What is written in the book of Zechariah??? First my question to you rabbi! Who is PIERCED IN THE BIBLE? did moses pierced? Did abraham pierced? Klor king david pierced??? I think you know already who is pierced in the Bible!
      ‭Zechariah 12:10 NKJV‬
      [10] “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
      ‭Psalms 2:12 NKJV‬
      [12] Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
      Now answer me??? Who is this Son talking in the old testament?? Who is pierced????
      You have no power agains the TRUTH!! YOIR LIES WILL EXPOSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE ANTI CHRIST! repent and be save!
      You mention s9me parts of the Gospel! But you don't mention how the religious people LIED just to crucifeid Jesus! You believe what you want to believe but you can't scape God! God love's you! If you really love the law of moses you must love also JESUS!! NO ONE FULLFILLED THE LAW BUT JESUS ONLY!! GODBLESS YOU!

    • @eldridgedatu7613
      @eldridgedatu7613 9 місяців тому

      @@joshferns7114 even the respected rabbi yitsak kaduri before he died he wrote a book that the Messiah of israel is JESUS YESHUA... you can't hide the truth.. God will exposed it!

    • @joshferns7114
      @joshferns7114 9 місяців тому

      @@eldridgedatu7613 was he a prophet? Even lot of Jews say jesus is messiah that doesnt make it true, what matters is what the Tanakh says and Tanakh says God is not a man nor the son of man that he should lie. Jesus lied to his followers that they will not die till he comes back

    • @eldridgedatu7613
      @eldridgedatu7613 9 місяців тому

      @@joshferns7114 prove it here that Jesus lied ??? Prove here that Jesus told to His follower that they will not die??? I know the verses you saying! Not if you can't prove you words! You are the one lier! Attach here the verses you're saying

  • @rtee4086
    @rtee4086 11 місяців тому +4

    Isaiah 53:9, says the servant will have no deceit in his mouth, yet Jesus; Contradicts himself in John
    18:20, because he taught secretly,
    See ( Mark 4:10--12, Matthew 16:20, Luke 5:8 ), :and he Told the
    Romans his was just a spiritual Kingdom, see ( John 18:36 ), yet he told his followers to purchase
    Swords in ( Luke 22:36 ),
    Isaiah 53:10, says the servant would have Children and live a
    Long life. Did Jesus have Children,
    Did he live a long life ?

    • @TRISLAV
      @TRISLAV 11 місяців тому

      😂😂😂 Deceit in his dogmas? None. Wise as serpent simple as a dove - AMN vAMN!!!
      Why cant there be two or more Measiahs and more then one coming? Why Menahem Mendel is a ok pick for the Moshiah but Yeshua can not even be tolerated? Let the veil be taken from the eyes of our people Lord, time has come!!!

  • @IAMDC322
    @IAMDC322 11 місяців тому +4

    What ever you do don’t read Isaiah 45:1 because you’ll realize there is no debate, there have been many mess!ahs 🤭
    Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    • @Post-Trib
      @Post-Trib 11 місяців тому

      Sometimes Prophecy is cyclical and may have a dual application until it's specifically fulfilled. There were others in the OT or Tanakh who modeled certain aspects of the one time Messiah who fulfills that position

  • @glennshrom5801
    @glennshrom5801 10 місяців тому

    The info under the video (15K views, streamed 1 month ago, etc.) has a type: Jonathan McLatchie, not Jonathan McClatchie. There is no double-c.

  • @WimWorldWide
    @WimWorldWide 11 місяців тому +2

    And don’t forget what the Jewish Essenes wrote in the Dead Sea scrolls: there will be Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. Yeshua explained it by saying that the Messiah would first suffer and then be king. The Essenes had even calculated that the suffering Messiah would save his people around the year 32 AD/CE!

    • @pepepena1937
      @pepepena1937 11 місяців тому

      What’s the name of that document?

    • @ampagetech2624
      @ampagetech2624 7 місяців тому

      Where is the evidence - bullshit nonsense

  • @jab11110
    @jab11110 8 місяців тому

    Does anyone know how many Jews must be saved - what percentage must be converted so as to entice Jesus to return ?

  • @motangmojalefa2937
    @motangmojalefa2937 4 місяці тому +1

    Jesus is found in the old testament.

  • @jrutt2675
    @jrutt2675 8 місяців тому +2

    The simple argument is this; God would not allow a fake Messiah to be taken to all the nations. Now it may not have been taken exaclty the way God pleases, but he was taken. Isaiah 49:6 was fufilled!

    • @nathankupczyk3125
      @nathankupczyk3125 7 місяців тому

      Where is the fulfillment of "thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the TRIBES OF JACOB, and to restore the preserved of ISRAEL"?

    • @JRTIGER07
      @JRTIGER07 4 місяці тому

      Amen *Isaiah 49:8*
      (3444) Salvation / *Ye.šū.'āh* (3444)
      Praise Yeshua Ha-MaShiach The Almighty *Revelation 1:7-8* 🙋‍♂️

  • @stans1058
    @stans1058 10 місяців тому +1

    You have to read off of a cue card to respond to a pre-rehearsed question. Very convincing.
    You know very well that Isiah 53 starts towards the end of 52. There are three voices talking in these passages. G-D, the leaders of the world, and Isiah. Yes, Israel can be in exile because of disobedience. That disobedience is in effect what makes Israel the suffering servant.
    Now, when it comes to Dr Brown. His maybe not so famous statement about Adolf Eichmann. When asked about Eichman accepting Jesus before being hanged for his part of killing 6 million Jews. He is with Jesus in heaven. While the millions of jews who died not accepting Jesus are all in hell.
    Judaism, is not a condemning faith that states you are hopeless in sin and condemned to hell.

  • @joeynelms
    @joeynelms 11 місяців тому +1

    Could you please address the theory that the Flavians created the “Jesus story “.

  • @elijahmichaels175
    @elijahmichaels175 3 місяці тому +1

    GREAT DEBATE

  • @markhauserbible7168
    @markhauserbible7168 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm not a scholar, nor have I been to seminary, or had any formal biblical training. But I do have the word of God, that almost anyone can understand with the CORRECT bible study. Isa28:10. When I hear people say the word ISRAEL. I wander how many people REALLY know who Israel is in GODS EYES. Most born again believers (Jew or Gentile) have NO clue. (Especially Jews of the flesh) ALL believers through JESUS are the ISRAEL of God. Gal6:15-16. ALL believers are the WHOLE HOUSE of ISRAEL. Ez37:11. (Ez37:10-14 are Literal resurrection passages) ALL believers are counted among the 12TRIBES of ISRAEL and INHERIT the LAND. Ez47:21-23 (New EARTH) To God only be the Glory.

    • @markhauserbible7168
      @markhauserbible7168 11 місяців тому

      The only thing I can understand is the scripture you gave. I will have to find me an INTELECTUAL to interpret the rest of you comment. But thank you any way.@@Bluebaggins

  • @bondaren
    @bondaren 3 місяці тому

    Isaiah 53:5 “pierced” is not a credible Jewish translation, at best it would be “defiled” or “pained”, then in 5 the word “for” is used but credible Jewish translation is “from” or “because of” …why are these texts stretched and distorted to try to fit in someone who has no business being there? Also, simply go to 53:10 it says of same said person that they will “see his offspring” and “prolong” life, this disqualifies it talking of Jesus as he died a bachelor and young, oh and the word for “offspring” here means physical children, not spiritual disciples! why try to molest the original text and meaning, why not get to know it in the original all the way through first

    • @MarkusGhambari
      @MarkusGhambari 3 місяці тому +2

      Defiled or pained? 😂 Talk about stretching. Imagine reading Isaiah 53 about a single righteous man and stretching it to apply to Israel, a sinful nation, whose even the greatest prophets and kings like David committed adultery and murder 🤣 What a joke...

  • @matthewterry9413
    @matthewterry9413 11 місяців тому +2

    Or an even better interpretation is not messianic prophecies divided into two comings, But Jesus fulfilled all Old Testament messianic prophecies in his first coming

  • @jamilbiotech91
    @jamilbiotech91 11 місяців тому +2

    How can Isaiah 53 and Isaiah 11 both be applied to Jesus?

    • @marktravis5162
      @marktravis5162 11 місяців тому +1

      Read the New Testament and then you can see how

    • @jamilbiotech91
      @jamilbiotech91 11 місяців тому

      @@marktravis5162
      Christians, recognizing that this chapter speaks of the Messiah and the messianic age attempt to apply it to Jesus. But, for this passage to have any connection to the life of Jesus it would need to be referring to his so-called first coming, and that is not the case. This prophecy concerns the “shoot” coming “out of the stock of David,” which would refer to the Messiah’s ancestry at the time of his birth not at a supposed second coming. And it should be noted that Davidic ancestry in general and lineal descent from the regal line in particular is not firmly established for Jesus by the pertinent New Testament narratives.
      This presents a serious problem for the Christian interpretation of Isaiah 11. This chapter, which Christians identify with Jesus, gives a very positive and widely accepted leadership portrait of the individual described. It stands in stark contrast to the portrayal of the suffering servant of Isaiah 53:1-2, who Christians also identify with Jesus. The servant is portrayed in difficult circumstances, from his very beginning. Now, if Isaiah’s two prophecies (11:1 and 53:1-2) are both applied to Jesus, they would have to refer to his so-called first coming and this leads to an irreconcilable contradiction. The respective passages simply could not both be referring to one person and are mutually exclusive of each other. Some Christians divide this passage into two separate periods, one during Jesus’ lifetime and the other after his supposed future return following his death. Nonetheless, it is apparent that there is but one “coming” indicated in the passage. This is confirmed by verse 10 where all the events listed in verses 2-9 occur. There the individual spoken of is called, “a shoot of the stock of Jesse,” and typical of biblical poetic style parallel to this he is called “a branch out of his [Jesse’s] roots shall bear fruit.” This can only refer to one’s earthly existence and not to a supposedly resurrected divine being coming back at some future date. Christians claim that Jesus appeared first to offer a means of salvation for mankind. They then claim that he will return a second time, at which time he is supposed to judge and rule the world. This Christian explanation, however, has nothing in common with the text of Isaiah 11. The subject of this passage is not portrayed as a resurrected divine being returning to earth as its judge and king.

  • @suevanderriet1672
    @suevanderriet1672 11 місяців тому +2

    There's only one thing that is a head scratcher though. (I am a Christian, but how do I deal with this argument?) RABBI TOVIA SINGER points out that Martha and Mary went to the tomb at dawn on Sunday, taking spices for the dead body, but nobody would unwrap a dead body after that length of time. The body would be stinking and it's a hot country. Jesus body had been properly prepared and embalmed with all the spices necessary for his burial the day he was crucified.. This is the argument Tovi Singer puts forward.. Michael please help me here...

    • @Sheeeeerigirl
      @Sheeeeerigirl 11 місяців тому

      They could not do all the necessary preparation because his death was unexpected, and the sabbath was approaching. There just wasn't enough time. I don't know for sure, but I imagine the women went back despite the time, because he was their Lord and they felt he was worthy/deserving of a proper burial (I don't know that last part for sure, but it would make the most sense).
      ETA: I forgot Nicodemus took aloes and spices during his burial. So I'm guessing it was more for honor. I also read, not sure how true, the spices were used to slow decay, especially the amount Nicodemus brought, but it's all speculation. We won't know for sure.

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому

      Here's another head scratcher. Was Jesus in the tomb for three days or two days?
      According to the synoptic narrative, Jesus was in the tomb for three days and two nights. See Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1
      In John's narrative, the tomb was already empty before dawn. This would mean Jesus was in the tomb for only two days and two nights. See John 20:1

    • @Sheeeeerigirl
      @Sheeeeerigirl 11 місяців тому +2

      @waitstill7091 I have read that during that time, any part of the day would be considered a day verses our modern take of a day being 24 hours. So he was in the grave Fri (short time because it was just before the sabbath, day 1), full sabbath day (day 2), and then the first day of the week, which started on Sundown Saturday (day 3). The women came to the grave on Sunday morning (still day 3).
      The example I've seen used from scripture comes from the book of Esther, when she tells them to fast for three days and three nights, but on the third day, she went into the King. Esther 4:16-5:1

    • @waitstill7091
      @waitstill7091 11 місяців тому

      @@SheeeeerigirlEither way, the gospel contradiction still remains, since John recounts Jesus being out of the Tomb before dawn.
      This is just another unfulfilled prophesy Jesus made about himself. (3 days and 3 nights) See Matthew 12:40

    • @Sheeeeerigirl
      @Sheeeeerigirl 11 місяців тому +1

      @@waitstill7091 being out of the tomb before dawn still was on the third day. The third day started at Sundown on Saturday.

  • @glennshrom5801
    @glennshrom5801 10 місяців тому

    At 28:09 McLatchie says an intelligent Creator, but actually there are at least four logical possibilities: creator in the singular (as McLatchie said); creators in the plural; designer/s who did not do the creating but whose designs were used for the creating; an impersonal intelligence that is inherent in the universe or is a feature of the universe that we don't yet understand, much in the same way that we only conceived of energy in certain ways (mechanical, chemical, biological) before the idea of nuclear energy or solar energy was added to our repertoire.

  • @AA-ci4dv
    @AA-ci4dv 4 місяці тому

    Looking at the comments here - people are so brainwashed and groomed to read things into the bible that just aren't there. Besides the errors and contradictions within the text, there are the contradictions between the teachings of Jesus and the Christianity of Paul. The Jews rejected Jesus. The Christians made him God. It's just crazy. No one imagines the God of the OT to be a trinity. The most consistent position on Jesus is that of the Muslims. They do not reject him like the Jews, nor deify him like Christians. They hold him to be a Prophet, like he himself considered himself.

  • @Gutslinger
    @Gutslinger 11 місяців тому +2

    Funny. I just a few days ago I rewatched your video from a few years ago where you gave rebuttals to the same Isaiah 53 argument that he was making back then.

  • @CosmicalChrist
    @CosmicalChrist 11 місяців тому

    Why this guy debate Anthony Rogers or Sam shamoun?

  • @stephenarrigo5679
    @stephenarrigo5679 11 місяців тому +1

    Lamentations 2 is a refutation to the claim Israel is the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53...It is clear and unambiguous scriptural proof text...It showcases the punishment by God towards Israel's unrighteousness and sin, therefore, applying logic, Israel does not meet the holy, sinless, virtuous standard in Isaiah 53...Only Jesus, the persecuted, crucified Holy Messiah does!!

  • @jab11110
    @jab11110 8 місяців тому

    Matthew 5:17, or, Matthew 5:17-20 ?

  • @muttleytruth7824
    @muttleytruth7824 4 місяці тому

    Where was yeshua ever been mention in the old testament?

  • @timhochstetler
    @timhochstetler 11 місяців тому +3

    Wow, when he is talking about Daniel 7, he must be completely blind, the word of God has gone out into all parts of the earth and God is worshipped everywhere. How sad his eyes are so blind.

  • @vann342011
    @vann342011 Місяць тому

    What floors me is the fact that scripture was changed. But that bothers no Christian they look right past the facts.

  • @lizplat368
    @lizplat368 6 місяців тому +1

    im an agnostic and my big issue is as angry as god is with the jewish people in the hebrew bible god never refers to them as the devil or synagogue of satan like the new testament . That to me is a big problem, does anyone have a response to that as he hebrew god is seen as very very angry, just asking

    • @jamesronnie8444
      @jamesronnie8444 3 місяці тому

      Where in the New Testament does it say jews are of the devil? As in the collective Jews and not some pharisees that were not understanding what Yeshua was getting at.

  • @vann342011
    @vann342011 2 дні тому

    Its almost like gaslighting a Jew into converting. Turning on their heritage and religion that clearly tells them that Jesus is not the Messiah. But lets go ahead and scare them into getting saved by saying if they dont believe in JC they will burn in hell for eternity. WHAT!I CANNOT UNSEE THIS CULT THAT HAD ME IN CHAINS FOR 30YRS

  • @markusmocke7371
    @markusmocke7371 6 місяців тому

    Thanks Brother, it's very easy, what language did they wrote on top of the cross, Greek, Latin and Hebrew,
    All 3 wrote about Jesus, Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews, so it was Jesus all the way until James strong who wrote Hebrew concordance in late 1860. And then Ben Yehuda's who created the Hebrew dictionary also in the late 1860, so Ben was a Jew Orthodox, and many Jewish people are against Jesus.
    So who do we have to believe the sign on the cross or men who had made up all these names.
    How far can you date Yahuaha??
    Thanks Brother

  • @groman2k
    @groman2k 11 місяців тому +1

    Question: Is Tovia a liar?
    Answer: 1 John 2.22

  • @andylobo6955
    @andylobo6955 4 місяці тому +4

    Rabbi Singer is very clever in his arguments but regrettably disingenuous, since he picks and chooses verses and misrepresents them. How is it that such an intelligent person does not get it.! Its time for the Jewish people to recognise Yeshua as the Jewish Messiah of the Tohra and be ready for his second coming.

    • @joebruzzese9288
      @joebruzzese9288 3 місяці тому

      Rabbi Singer gets it about Jesus Christ but he doesn't want you to get it. Deceitful

  • @karenlong5622
    @karenlong5622 11 місяців тому +5

    " ... What do we? for this man does many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. And one of them, named Caiphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them: Ye know nothing at all! Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spoke he not of himself, but being the high priest that year, he prophesied that Yahshua should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of Alahim that were scattered abroad." John 11:47b-52

    • @billyhw99
      @billyhw99 11 місяців тому +1

      Speaking of prophesy, does this remind you of anyone?
      “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
      because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
      he reproaches us for sins against the law,
      and accuses us of sins against our training.
      He professes to have knowledge of God,
      and calls himself a child of the Lord.
      He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
      the very sight of him is a burden to us,
      because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
      and his ways are strange.
      We are considered by him as something base,
      and he avoids our ways as unclean;
      he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
      and boasts that God is his father.
      Let us see if his words are true,
      and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
      for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him,
      and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
      Let us test him with insult and torture,
      that we may find out how gentle he is,
      and make trial of his forbearance.
      Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
      for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”

    • @karenlong5622
      @karenlong5622 11 місяців тому

      @@billyhw99 And dear Chabar - that is exactly the attitude of all of mankind, since we have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of Tov and Ra - Cain found that out. So did Abel, a righteous man who brought the desired offering to YHWH his Creator and Father. And so did all of the 120+ billion people who would be born. Yahshua also realized this, though He never once sinned or told a lie about His Father.
      May we not lie, either. About ANY thing which He states and does. He is returning for us, soon!

  • @jesseg6708
    @jesseg6708 11 місяців тому +4

    1st and 2nd coming of Jesus all over Isaiah

    • @Exodus_Project
      @Exodus_Project 11 місяців тому +2

      There are no comings of jesus prophesied in Isaiah

  • @bondaren
    @bondaren 3 місяці тому

    Those who say rabbi singer “picks and chooses” go to his website and for 5$ you can get 30+ hrs of his teaching on topics discussed here thoroughly , he does not pick and choose, you do!

  • @thegardenranger
    @thegardenranger 11 місяців тому

    ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:9
    [9] But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:12
    [12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and men of violence take it by force.