Dr. Brown Debates Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on Isaiah 53
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Dr. Brown Debates Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on Isaiah 53
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Here is the link to the full debate! ua-cam.com/video/O9kYhJHTjxE/v-deo.html
Dr Brown showed so much love ❤ to his brother, that it really changed my outlook on how I treat others despite my differences in beliefs.
Glory to God in Jesus name
What I see in Isaiah 53 is explaining how Jesus became our Goat of Departure and Sin offering.this wasn't in your debate at all.. Prove to me through Jesus dying on the cross became goat of departure and sin offering at the same time. How he fulfilled the law.
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@@iyaskelu7173 sir, terms such as NASA used to explain the Goat of departure in Leviticus 16 can't be accepted to explaining sin offering Jesus Christ our Lord did on the cross.
Jesus became our Goat of departure and went to the desert carrying our transgression the desert when baptised by John.
That's why he could forgive sins before going to the cross.
The part of atonement His death fulfilled according to Leviticus has little or nothing to do with him taking care of our transgressions
It is so funny that personal pronoun can be used to denote country. Can a country, Israel be a man of sorrow? Isa 53:6 " ....the Lord *has laid on him the iniquity of us ALL* ". Isa 53:8 For He was cut off from a land of living..."" Israel(a country) cannot be cut off from *a land* . It doesn't make sense.
Rabbis are depressed cause they don't have the sacrifice of atonement from sin. To sacrifice a lamb was an act of repentance not a "sorry for that" speech. Rabbis can not erase the Torah fact that sacrifice is needed, even God says that obedience is more important than sacrifice, but still, sacrifice is a basic tool for the finalization of forgiveness.
I'm now 68 years, I've accepted Jesus as my Saviour at 8 years. In Jesus Mighty Faithful Name AlleluJah ... Jesus died for my sins. Amen. 🎉❤ I'll enjoy my Study on Isa. 53: Tku, for GODs Word 🙏🛐🎉
Amen wow ❤️✝️🫶
Amen
@prophetmuhammad8744Psa 44:11 Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.
Psa 44:22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
These verses clearly points to the Israelites as sheep to be slaughter.. truly they are the suffering servant.
For those who say you were brainwashed, I also at a young age believed (5 yrs old) and am now 58yrs. Yet my brother who was 4yrs didn't believe and is still an atheist. He and I were very close our whole childhood.
Praise God 🙏
The "blindness" that Paul mentions is still very much present today as I have personally experienced a total rejection by Jewish people of any evidence whatsoever that points to Jesus as the Messiah. As Jesus Himself said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t be persuaded even if Someone rises from the dead.’” [Luke 16:31]
They rejected the evidence without any reason that you say they're blind?
Maybe your evidence isn't as strong as Dr. Brown's confidence would suggest.
@@blueglassdaveDaniel 9
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 I'm glad you brought that up. Preachers and evangelists frequently go on, and on assuring anyone who'll listen, that the "prophesy" in Daniel 9 is obvious, 100%, rock solid proof that Jesus was the Messiah, as Christianity defines him. They never mention all the serious biblical scholars who make good cases for all, or parts of Daniel being written much later than the Babylonian exile in which it's placed and so the interpretation of the statue with feet of clay describing the following empires and the "abomination in the temple" being the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and so on were not prophesies but simply an account of history placed in the mouth of an earlier historical figure, which was not an uncommon practice. This is far from far from the only explanation of Daniel 9, even among Christians, however, you will almost never hear about this from those who insist that Daniel 9 is unquestionable proof of Jesus being the Messiah either because they don't know it themselves, not being scholars, or they do know it and don't accept it or want to cast any doubt on their message.
Now, the primary, and frankly only, argument against this is "How dare you deny that this is prophesy! We've always said so!", and here, they're covering up reality once again. The New Testament contains about 300 passages taken from the Jewish Scriptures by NT authors and used as proof texts for Jesus, yet not a single one of these authors uses this supposedly rock solid "proof" text to support their belief that Jesus was the Messiah. They were grabbing texts from throughout the entire Tanach (the Jewish scriptures) yet they all ignored this "knock out" proof from Daniel? Daniel was well known in the first century and the goal of every NT author was to convey their beliefs to their audiences, yet not one mentioned chapter 9. Clearly, they didn't think it applied to Jesus. In fact, the first interpretation of the various "7's" as applying to Jesus doesn't happen until the early third century. If you will look up, "From Daniel to Revelation: How did the early Church Fathers interpret Daniel 9", it has a good layout of many highly influential early fathers and their various interpretations of Daniel 9.
These were all Christians. Jews had, and have, their own perfectly valid interpretations. Rabbi Toviah Singer is, increasingly, the Rabbi Christians love to hate but regardless of what anyone thinks of him, I'd suggest listening to his interpretation of Daniel 9 and asking yourself if you can explain why he's wrong.
I certainly don't blame you for accepting the word of so many confident Christian sounding speakers and authors but, unfortunately, as throughout life in general, a good salesman, sincere or not, can make us believe every word they say, whether they're right or not, and with Daniel 9, they are not the only game in town.
@blueglassdave The NT prophesied that in the last days, there would be a great falling away from the truth. It also prophesied that the whole world would turn against Israel and despise Israel. We are starting to see both happen. That is enough evidence to me that the NT is true.
After hearing Shmuley, I now understand more than ever the statement: "We have no king but Caesar!" Orthodox Judaism adheres to traditions and fables rather than the Truth of the Almighty as witnesses in
scripture. Simply astonishing!!
Rabbinic Judaism and its followers love to think they are righteous and good men, Jesus makes them acknowledge their sinfulness, and so they hate him, just as Jesus said, for testifying their deeds (even their best deeds) are filthy rags to a holy God. It is despicable that they would use their platform to denounce their own Messiah.
“Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
Mark 7:8
Is Othodox Judaism the same, or similar to Rabbinic Judaism?
Do all of modern sects of "Judaism" stem from Rabbinic Judaism?
@@Gutslinger pretty much, yes! The Way of the Most High is His way, not man's way, not a "Jewish" way or a Christian way but His Way! The nation of Israel, God's nation of Israel has always been made up of native born Israelites and foreigners who joined into Israel! It's like being an American, you don't lose your racial identity because you are American! Hope this helps!
@@yosefyahu4778 I've been trying to understand Judaism from a religious or religious doctrine point of view. Because I often hear of "Orthodox" Judaism and "Rabbinic" Judaism, and I see differences in how some dress or practice their religion. I'm just wondering if Rabbinic Judaism is the roots to which all of those modern forms of Judaism stem from.
Because from my understanding of what I've heard from Messianic/Christian Jews is that Rabbinic Judaism started somewhere between 70AD and 135AD, after the Romans destroyed the 2nd Temple, sometime during the Bar Kokhba revolt in which there was a major fracture between Messianic Jews and non-Messianic Jews, because the non-Messianic Jews and Rabbi Akiva put their faith into Bar Kokhba as being the Messiah.. Which ultimately failed and lead them being in exile, to Babylon, where Rabbi Akiva was from, I believe.
That was a mouthful..
I am from asia and I testify that Jesus is the Messiah and The Son of God.
I am from the US and I testify that jesus was a bastard, a deceiver, and a false prophet.
Amen Ronald👑🔥🕊
@@paulawallace8784
23 and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Exodus 4:23 KJV
God is reffering to Israelites because at this time when He was talking to Moses, Jacob aka Israel is already dead 430 years ago.
@@paulawallace8784
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Exodus 4:21-23 KJV
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.
Exodus 12:40-42 KJV
@@paulawallace8784 God of the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Jews, are saving a lot of gentiles all over the world. Israel is the chosen people to be the priest of the the world and Jesus is doing that right now. But you have to remember that God created everyone and is not only for the Jews. This kind of thinking is arrogance which God hates.
Thank you dr Brown for defending our precious faith!
One of Rabbi Shmuley arguments is that the Nazis can't be atoned for, yet in Jonah God's is willing to spare Nineveh (Assyrian empire) from their crimes.
What were those crimes? Burning children alive, cutting off hands and feet, and skinning people alive before cutting their heads off.
I would argue that the Assyrians were just as evil as the Nazis and that God would be willing to forgive those who truly repent.
@@D18.21 Do you understand what original sin is?
@@paulawallace8784 It wasn't "A" mistake, it was "THE" mistake. Adam and Eve were created with free will. From the moment Eve used her free will and believed a Bad Angel evil entered and corrupted God's creation who were originally created without sin. Eve and Adam disobeyed God. Mary believed a Good Angel Archangel Gabriel and she obeyed God. Mary's YES to God undid Eve's NO to God.
Ah, that's the key: those who repent.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker No, it absolutely did not. Mary, atoned for nothing. Mary was a sinner and could NOT atone.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Nobody said Mary atoned for our sins.
E V E R Y debate Dr. Brown has with a rabbi, the rabbi can never be logical or biblical just full of emotions and sometimes irrational. This is why Dr. Brown wins every time…
Thank you Dr. Michael Brown! I live in Auburn, Alabama, and there are many in my area that love the Jewish people and pray for Israel! Yeshua is Lord!
Dr. Brown- thank you. Love your humility and dedication to the truth of the Word of God!
all is blasphemy saying the invisible most power being with no physical body that his proper name is about him is unlimted blasphemy and idolatry iam former protestant idolatr pentecostal and messianic, now back to the Gof of Torah as true Jewish not fake messsianics that follow the grecor roman god jesus-yeshua
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@@RebbeYehoshuahLamberti Nice, you turned into a prideful, self-righteous, pretentious, hardened heart person.
All the rabbi did was tug on your heart strings . Great debate . GOD Bless you both.
Funny how when Christians hear the same stuff they usually hear they assume it is good reasoning...and that the alternative is just emotional pleas.
The rabbi is incoherent and purely emotional...he's heart seems to be hardened to the same Gospel he studies. I pray for God to remove the scales upon the eyes of his chosen nation and for all the other nations as well. Praise be to God!
That’s frustration for talking to zombies insisting on their lies, just like the ones affirming “men menstruate”.
Torah is plain clear. As the True Book, you don’t have 100 bumps inventing different arguments.
You keep asking for things. You don’t even have to be grateful with G’d. Just demand Him what you desire.
@elijahliech8548 move on and be respectful since you don't connect doesn't mean he has the issue
We need more debates like these Brown. This one was really good
all is blasphemy saying the invisible most power being with no physical body that his proper name is about him is unlimted blasphemy and idolatry iam former protestant idolatr pentecostal and messianic, now back to the Gof of Torah as true Jewish not fake messsianics that follow the grecor roman god jesus-yeshua
(iezu)
@@RebbeYehoshuahLamberti you said a whole lotta nothing.
@@dualtags4486indeed💀truly the definition of a word salad.
@@RebbeYehoshuahLamberti Zachariah ch 3 vs 1-5
1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. This Angel is forgiving sins why is that so?
Now lets go to Judges ch 13 vs 16-18. When Manoah asked for the name of the Angel, He said his name is a secret, now in Hebrew language, that word means beyond comprehension (pailee, pailai) (Isaiah ch 9 vs 6) so can an Angel say His name is wonderful or beyond comprehension? Reading down to verse 21-22: 21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
So again, we see this Angel of the Lord called God.
@@RebbeYehoshuahLambertihuh 😕
Shmuley’s whole argument was based off of stirring emotions. Brown presented good reasoning and logical arguments.
@@openigang The bible never says God is not a man, you cut the verse off mid sentence captain misrepresentation lol.
It says "God is not a man, THAT HE SHOULD LIE" That only mean God isnt like men in the specific way that He does not lie.
If I say "I did not go to the store, that I may buy you milk" does, that mean I didn't go to the store? Or does it mean I did not go to the store for the purpose of buying you milk?
If I say "I am not a husband who cheats" Does that mean I am not a husband? Or that I am not a husband who cheats? Obviously the second one.
That you have to misrepresent by cutting that verse of mid sentance says it all.
@@openigang In addition, that verse was given prior to the incarnation, and therefore would not contradict the later incarnation of God.
@@openigang Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name"
Does that mean God is a man? Obviously not, right? If "God is not a man that he should lie" mean God isnt a man, then obviously "God is a man of war" would mean He is a man, correct?
See? Anyone can misrepresent verses to makew them seem as if they mean something that they dont.
Angry Jew ... John 844 children of Satan
@@openigang John 844 is you
From the very moment Rabbi Schmuley began to speak, I could discern his deception.
so true...satan couldnt handle defeat at the cross so he stays there deceiving many taking away the atonement of sins like in this debate and islam
Can you explain what is his deception?
Wow! Deception! Not even sincerely believing otherwise. Just out and out lies. That's quite a little discernment meter you've got there. Just think, if this hadn't been UA-cam and you'd have actually been there, your "Spidey Sense" would have been going crazy!
Jajaja. So christians totally hijacked your soul. They set you upon the righteous, just like they setup kids on believing “men menstruate”
😂😂😂😂😂 wow
Dr. Brown's arguments are steeped in scripture while Schmuley's are emotional appeals.
G_d detests human sacrifice...nobody dies for another man's sins..duet 24_16
@@robbynealzucker3408
The given verse is not mentioning about sacrifice and only mentions the relationship between a father and son. God order Abraham to sacrifice his Son. It is known that even a lamb can be sacrificed as a substitute for people's sins. The Book of Isaiah, which is also a Jewish book, clearly mentions that this soul is sacrificed for a sin. If this verse is about Jewish people, it will contradict your argument, becsuse why would they be sacrificed for others' sins instead of their own? Additionally, who Isaiah is referring to as "we" and "our" when he mentions grief and healing. Clearly he is also a Jew n his mentioning his people.
Isaiah 53 (KJV)
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⁴ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
⁵ But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
…
¹⁰ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
@@robbynealzucker3408
Nobody can fullfil Isaiah 53 but Jesus !
@@mmnsurahman5646for example which part of Isaiah 53 nobody can fullfil but Jesus?
Schmuleys argument about opened his mouth, seeing offsprings, how makes sense he atones the sin of Israel, these are "emotional appeals"?...
May Out Lord Jesus Christ bless you with healthy and peace Dr Brown.We pray for the peace of Israel Amen alleluiah 🙏
"If the Atonement of Jesus couldn't prevent the Holocaust, then he can keep it. Who needs it? We have been through enough."
It's amazing how much he sounds like the Israelites of the Old Testament. If it doesn't benefit us physically, we don't want it. Even it it is from God. They have ears, but do not hear.
Better throw out God himself on that basis, let alone any love of him for the Jews, it's absurd.
Calling Jesus a Pharisee is ironic.
He proved he knew more than the Pharisees when Joseph and Mary lost him in synagogue. But in his spirit, the spirit of reform and restoration Jesus was much closer to the Essenes. Of course He was more than both, He was the perfection of both
Nothing in the Gospels. Even hints that Jesus ever claimed, was ever schooled to be a Pharisee .
This Rabbi can certainly “ preach” his own Religion, but all who have read and studied the Holy scriptures handed down to the Jewish Nation of Israel know full well after hearing his rebuttal can see He obviously doesn’t even believe the plain revelation of GOD found within it.
So very sad.
MY precious precious precious precious LORD JESUS died for my sins and for all of those who will accept Him. "Man of Sorrows. what a name, for the Son of GOD Who came, wounded sinners to reclaim, Alleluliah!! What a Savior!!!!!!!!!!!. His Jewish relatives still hate Him though He has done no wrong. They hated Him then, they hate Him now. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"
The debate was over after Dr. Brown finished his opening.
Shabbat Shalom, Glad to watch this video...
Great discussion!
I was there in the debate in nyc they recently had a few years ago ,it was great …funny and every educational .
all is blasphemy saying the invisible most power being with no physical body that his proper name is about him is unlimted blasphemy and idolatry iam former protestant idolatr pentecostal and messianic, now back to the Gof of Torah as true Jewish not fake messsianics that follow the grecor roman god jesus-yeshua
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@@RebbeYehoshuahLamberti
Jesus was a Jew not a Roman lol even most Jews say this .
Secondly we believe in Yeshua because of the prophecies he’s completed .
And if it were not the case than why are there over 500,000 Jewish believers in Jesus and growing everyday ?
Also let’s not forget that Yeshuas first followers were all Jewish lol.
Christianity has Jewish roots Wheather you like it or not .
You sound like a hateful person ,maybe you should ask God to help you with that .
First of all. The lineage of Yeshua ( Jesus) is obviously Jewish. Its unacceptable and foolish to say otherwise, period. Secondly, you still want to be accepted by YHWH for your own works ( which are filthy rags according to Isaiah) just like Cain. That is true blasphemy There is and never will be any other atonement than that provided by Jesus
@@stevencagle9640 And....oh brother. Lots of Jewish Messiah would-be's in history. Just like lots of candidates in American history. If America were exiled tomorrow, you would find it appalling and unbelievable for someone to tell you that you missed the boat with Ross Perot or MLK or even some other random American name drawn from a hat who supposedly came to help America achieve Nirvana so that she no longer had to offer fireworks on fourth of July. Your very definition of a Messiah is fabricated entirely out of context and opposed to its purpose.
@@stevencagle9640we want to be accepted by God by his Mercy. The same atonement which was before Jesus which is repenting works also after Jesus. There is no reason to to believe & trust the NT that they're telling us the truth, there is a reason to say the opposite!!
I don’t understand the rabbi’s thinking. There’s no atonement for Hitlers or Bin Ladens sins because they cross a line, but he says there’s no atonement for his own common sins. Then how does one get into the presence of God? God just forgives some and not others based on how bad the sin was? So little sins don’t offend a perfectly righteous and holy God? It doesn’t make sense.
Of course you don't understand cuz you never actually read scripture and instead rely on your man made traditions:
Yet he was merciful;
he forgave their iniquities
and did not destroy them.
Time after time he restrained his anger
and did not stir up his full wrath.
He remembered that they were but flesh,
a passing breeze that does not return (Psalm 78:38-39)
This is a good point you made. Once a line is crossed there’s no turning back. I feel that line crossed could be subjective. Then who’s going to be forgiven and who’s not?
@@AncientCornelius-kn7yp before God there is no way to pay the price for any sin of ours that has been made since Adam's fall. 😮 ...but accepting JESUS' offered sacrifice is overcoming the DEATH-SENTENCE, that will meet us on the judgement day! WE should - and are allowed to ! - cover us with the blood of THE RIGHTEOUS MESSIAH: JESUS for every bad 💭 THOUGHT 🧠 we had or LIFE🤰🏿(!) we took THE SAME!
@edwardjackson9871 you do teshuvah which is return to doing God's will. Also once a year God prescribed how to do a bigger return in the book of leviticus. Jews have different ways of prepping for the days of awe. Somewhere it says let your lips be as the bulls. Reading lots of psalms before God asking for healing and daily reading of prayers always. This is why they are close to God. Tangible so. Requires our whole participation and dedication. People always have sins all day from the get go it's known. No problem. God gave His heart to us best He could by the Torah directives it's revealed in earth. God's Torah is precious since God communicates with us here this way. God is not physical but makes it all and sustains it all completely and aware of every detail. It's a study of Kabbalah and much more.
@edwardjackson9871 you return to Torah keeping and improve yourself the rubbish we make is cleaned up in so doing according to Hashem. Prayer energy healing diet. Being kind to self and others.
Isaiah 53: Israel is suffering servant - Isaiah 41:8, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:1, Isaiah 44:21, Isaiah 45:4, and Isaiah 49:3 explains this
Jesus said, Unless you have the Heart of a little child, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Children have humble hearts with no pride in Them.
A little child doesn't fall down the rabbit hole of scholastic and convoluted arguments about ancient documents. Having a relationship with God can't be that complicated....can it?
@@DIBBY40 Darkness will always fight against the light until Satan is bound. Jesus said, The members of your own household will be your worst enemies because of Him.
That’s because they take advantage of immature low self esteem bumps
That’s because they take advantage of immature low self esteem bumps
Believe in Christ like a child, without doubt or cynicism, but that is entirely separate from the study of the religion.
Complete non-sequitur
Rabbi Shmuley's opening statement 🤦🤦🤦 what on earth was that?!
Emotion. Pride. I don't think he realizes just how much he was telling on himself. That he was fulfilling the prophecies in his words and beliefs. I get just as much proof of Jesus as Messiah from Dr. Browns points as I do from Rabbi Shmuley's. His was just unintentional.
Self righteousness at it’s best.
Amen, Isaiah 53 is about Yeshua 100x over! Also, notice how Shmuley looks to lack Shalom and yet Browns countenance shows the love and Shalom of Christ Jesus. That’s speaks louder than even the facts of Isaiah 53.
Keep your BS. Ishay 45:5-6…I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting, people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other.
@@neurobits
Yeshua is not another. I hope your bitterness will leave so you could see The Savior clearly. If you want to learn I’m here to teach you but an unwilling souls will never learn anything.
The Bible verse Ezekiel 18:20 states, "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son"
This contradicts jesus died for our sins. Every human being is accountable for his/her actions
LORD please consider healing my cancer and encephalopathy. Also, my faith is suffering due to not knowing if Jesus is from You .please help my unbelief
In the name of Jesus. You are healed.
Jesus healed my cousin of stage 4 cancer and my aunt two years later of breast cancer, . ...by his stripes we are healed.
What makes you think that Jesus Christ might not be from God? The old testament proves without a doubt that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Read every chapter of the new testament, the word of God will help you see that Jesus Christ is from God.
John 17:3
"3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
A 100% raw fruits and vegetables based diet can heal cancer. Look up the benefits of apricot kernels in fighting cancer. Drink distilled water, stop drinking tap water. Tap water is filled with chemicals that can give you all kinds of diseases.
Jesus Christ is from God. Believe it, you don't have to doubt. Pray to God to help you see the truth of Jesus Christ. Please read the Bible.
There are no beggars on the streets of heaven. You are either an heir or you aren't.
"For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:6)
"And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)
You are currently seated with Christ in heavenly places if you have believed in Him. You have full access to Him. He's the one who invited you in. You're welcome there. It is Christ who brings us into the presence of God Himself.
"Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
You don't have to beg for healing. He already knows your needs, and He is most interested in your health. But above all, He desires your heart, your love, and your affections. He desires a close relationship with you, that is based off of faith in His greatest gift of all to you, His own Son Jesus Christ.
Why are you writing a prayer in a youtube comment section?
‘Keep that atonement for yourself’: Rabbi, you’re treading on very thin ice 🧊
You’re already hijacked by liars:
Ishay 45:5-6I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting, people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other.
Im actually really disappointed, i was hoping shmuley would bring real challenges, but his arguments were so weak it's pathetic.
The distinction in level of revelation of Truth is so stark! Dr Brown bringing the Gospel! So good. Sadly, Shmuely only has natural, national, rational and human reference... because no Holy Spirit. :(
Brilliant work, Doc!
God bless you in Jesus' name 🙏
Rabbi Shmuley has soo much hate inside which has blinded him to see the truth. Thank u for this video Doc. Brown
disagreement and a difference in tradition is not hate.
@@smolderingtitan of course it is not but the way he express his disagreement in such manner is hate. its obvious.
you wanna see hate? check out Rabbi Tovia Singer
@@smolderingtitanpassionate argument stems from somewhere dark
@@chrissyJ6232 I sort of, kind of, maybe, disagree. (Don't want to be too passionate, yo)
This was interesting. Thanks.
Dr. Brown, I respect you as one of the leading biblical scholars and biblical teachers at this time in history! Keep up the good work!
Dr Brown has been very instrumental in explaining Hebrew Scriptures and steering the debates to logical reasoning and away from emotional appeals..
Leading people into messianic Judaism is straight up idolatry. The Israelites are commanded not to leave their Torah and to follow the God of Israel
@@D18.21 doesn’t get much clearer than that 🙏
@@seekers-of-righteousness
Who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name and what is his sons name?
You as a jew can you explain this for me?
Proverbs 30:4-5
4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
@@enockt6218 I’m not a Jew. I’m a gentile who has found the truth through the jew as per their mandate from Hashem the God of Israel. Not jsus the god of your xtian bible.
Gentiles coming to the jew
Zecharia 8:23 23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten gentiles from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”
The mandate from God
Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
The children of Israel bring Gods salvation to the world not the xtian
Isaiah 49:6
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
The only true word of God is in the tanach. The newTESTament is a test from God deuteronomy 13
@@seekers-of-righteousness Im not sure if you read my comment i ask you explenation of a verse did you see it?
Are the children of israel going up to heaven and down and have established the whole world? You gather the wind and water?
It does not say children its say his sons name.
Proverbs 30:4-5
4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
People with so much pride and entitlement cannot see. Thank you Dr Brown for exposing the spiritual blindness of the Jews through scripture
Cannot see what? He asked a question, Jesus opened his mouth, he had offsprings, where is the atonement of Jesus for the nation of Israel? What is your answer?
In third day Jesus restore us we may live in his presence to glory to the Father.
Hosea 6:1-2
“Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
The Hebrew text doesn't say AFTER two days, it says he will restore us FROM the two days
@@nathankupczyk3125
And the third day ?
@@enockt6218 is correct translated
@@nathankupczyk3125
Prove my point. That is prophecy of Jesus.
@@enockt6218 not at all!! "He will restore us FROM the two days" proves that it have nothing to do with Jesus! Do you have any idea what means "he will restore us FROM the two days"?
Shmuley lacks content and appeals primarily to emotional ploys. Dr Brown hinted at this in the beginning, knowing this is his best and only strategy
😂😂 it's quite funny how rabbi completely takes verses out of context and brag so confidently. Dr Brown as usual obliterates the debate
Romans 11 :1-33 Sums up why they can't see nor accept the truth. sums also up how we should pray for them and understand Gods Mercy and Grace to the Israelite's. Truly O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
Im astonished what is happening today, Jews and Christians are talking together✡️💙✝️❤️Bless you Rabbi , all respect 🫡
If Israel is a woman and or a bride, how come Isaiah 53 speaks of a man? How do Jews not see that?
@@openigang God calls wisdom “she” in proverbs is it really a female? No. Jesus says he is coming for his bride not his son. I would encourage you to study this also.
@@openigang you didn’t read my answer to your answer 🤔
It's both/and not either or. But I do believe Isaiah 53 to be about Messiah, not Israel.
@@andys3035 that is my point. It is about a man who is coming as the messiah. This Rabi said Isaiah 53 is “all of the Jewish suffering will bring the messiah”. But Isaiah is clear that it is a man/male who will live a certain life and die. Plus Jesus said he is coming for his bride Israel/the church on his second coming. So both of their interpretations don’t line up with what the Bible says only what tradition told them. Even Jesus said that in Matthew to the Jewish leaders that tradition is more important to them that what the scriptures said plainly.
@@STAMPA_אמן אמן, אלוהים יברך אותך, בשם ישוע המשיח❤❤
So sad, to hear the pride, blasphemy and stupidity of such a smart and respected man. I pray that one day, soon, Our Lord will help the scales off of his eyes and heart. Thank you, Dr. Brown, for sharing the Gospel, with the Jew 1st❣️. Maranatha, to our Savior and King 🙏. I can't wait until Our Lord fulfills the rest of prophecy! Has the rabbi read your book, Not Afraid of the antichrist? Do rabbis know/study prophecy of the New Testament or quran? Btw, do you agree that we're in the fig tree generation? It will be 80 years since '48, in 6 more years. What do you think of the Yehuda Rav Shlomo? They think he's doing miracles. And, an important rabbi said BByahu will introduce him in the near future.
"In the last days there will be many, who say here he is, there he is, do not go there..." - "to decieve if possible, the very elect..." - Jesus of Nazareth.
Dispensationalism is probably false... it doesn't show up anywhere in church history until 1830... the church isn't a parenthesis in history... and if the rapture is imminent we wouldn't need anymore signs... or are there more things to happen? Which one is it? Also, where in scripture is there a place to justify a pausing or indefinite 69th week of Daniel?
Post Millenial or A Millenial seems much much more likely.
@@allonekingdom AMEN🙏🏻
Dr Brown explains very well.
Absolutely,i totally agree!👍🏾 💯
i learn from my faults
Did you catch how Rabbi Shmuli kept reverting back to the false notion that Yeshua's atonement absolves a "Believer" of all legal, relational and natural consequences.
He lost the debate and the constant reverting back to that argument revealed it.
The Apostle Paul taught that the Government does not bare the sword in vain. There are consequences for our actions.
The forgiveness and absolution is between God and man through Yeshua. Praise His Name forever!!!
Amen.
Dr. Brown, do you happen to have video of you reading through a chapter or two of the Hebrew Scriptures in Hebrew?
You debated Tovia Singer too??!! I'm going right there, thank you Mike🎉👍🙏
Sam Shamoun has said that Tovia persuaded Dr. Brown not to release the video because Tovia got demolished.
@@alisterrebelo9013Brown just did another rebuttal video on Singer on the topic of Isaiah 53. And in that video, I believe he said Singer has been refusing to do a debate with him for 30 years.
24:40. Thats a bit presumptuous, the nations of the world FINALLY came to understand ethics and morality through the suffering of the Jewish people!?
Something has always died for our sins for without the shedding of blood there is no firgiveness of sins.....bulls, goats, lambs etc but always put on the scapegoat, Jesus now the lamb of God the final sacrifice. Surely a blinding over Israel or how could a dirty gentile like me be saved. Thankyou Jesus
Oh really? Then please explain how jesus was allegedly able to heal a paralyzed man if there's no forgiveness without sacrifices?
@@moses2031 Jesus is God, he can both forgive sins and heal.....the cross is the ultimate sacrifice that he looked toward and we look back too. But a sacrifice JESUS was always scheduled for you and me and the paralysed.
@@moses2031the sacrifice is standing there before him, believing in him was accepting that sacrifice.
Love this and wish for more!!!
all is blasphemy saying the invisible most power being with no physical body that his proper name is about him is unlimted blasphemy and idolatry iam former protestant idolatr pentecostal and messianic, now back to the Gof of Torah as true Jewish not fake messsianics that follow the grecor roman god jesus-yeshua
(iezu) **
I love Dr Brown. Jesus Christ bless you
Shabbat shalom.. from PNG..
There is a veil over their eyes. Jesus will draw those he chooses in time.
I was thinking the same thing. Its almost like they get a pass.
@@shivasirons6159 God is just. I don't think it would be as simple as them getting an Xpress pass.
Christianity is totally not antisemetic everyone. Christians just say things like “there’s a veil over (((their))) eyes”
@@avibenavraham do you know who the Semitic people consist of?
@@PeytonOver antisemitism is a misnomer, it is anti Jewish prejudice
Dr. Brown won the debate. He give more references, evidences and more deep in interpretation than Rabbi Shmuley.
This Rabbi sounds like he is doing an oration back in the highschool
Hahaha loved this Dr Brown kicked butt
Opening statement was a bomb dropped. Outstanding run through Isaiah, with a slam dunk Isiah 53…Dr. Brown gave a great opening.
Shmuley gave a self righteous trust in self rather than the Sinai Covenant he says he believes in. He doesn’t need the prescribed sacrificial system or atonement provided by the yearly sacrifice mediated by The High Priest. He says “Torah Torah” but has no concern that he dismisses the entire atonement system…. It’s crazy, wake up my brother
As a messianic Jew, I am saddened by his rejection of Yeshua our Mochiach
Forever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7
Awesome 😎
Rabbi Shmuley rests his destiny on his OWN WORKS? He says he can take pride in his righteous acts... how many would that really be...?
And he confidently talks about paying for his own sins, as if that's possible.
And he kicks against the goads, when he says there is no sacrificial lamb for us... when it's in the HEBREW scriptures.
I find Schmuley’s appeal more emotional oratory than exegesis so I’m sad there wasn’t more meaningful debate, where a position was simply defended logically from the context.
Personal responsibility means the guilty will not be acquitted before God. This is why God gave the God fearing a lamb. The guilt of the Prophet and people would be imputed to the Lamb who would then be put to death to make atonement for the guilty. However all sacrifices would cease to be offered when the true offering that atone was made, Daniel 9:27. This offering was made by Messiah in the middle of the one week left of Israel to be under the Sinai covenant. Israel in defiance of Messiah , conti used to offer the abolished sacrices..infuriating God , who then took away His protection from the rebellious of Israel..cutting them off from being His people.
Dr Browns presentation guarantees there'll be no rematches.
Powerful 😮 😮 😮
@johnalexander
Amen! Brotha 🔥 ⚔️ 🛡 ⚔️
I wonder if Rabbi Shmuley believes that David was forgiven for his murder of Uriah.
Nice..👍👍
@@paulawallace8784 BELOW IS THE MESSIAH IN THE JEWISH TEXTS - Jesus is directly descended from David and He meets all the requirements below.
He would be both GOD and MAN (Genesis 3 :15; Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9
:6-7; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; Micah 5 :2; Zechariah 12 :10; Zechariah 13 :7;
Psalm 80 :17; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would bring salvation to the Gentile nations (Isaiah 42 :1-4; Isaiah
49 :1-13)
Messiah would come before destruction of Second Temple. (Daniel 9 vs 24-27)
Virgin mother/birth - (Genesis 3 :15; Isaiah 7vs14)
He would be human (Genesis 3 :15)
He would be a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 22 :18)
He would be from the Tribe of Judah (Genesis 49 :10)
He would be a son of David (Isaiah 11 :1-2; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; 1
Chronicles 17 :10-14)
He will live eternally (1 Chronicles 17 :10-14)
He would be full of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11 :1-2; Isaiah 42:1-4;
Isaiah 61 :1-2)
He would be humble (Zechariah 9 :9-10)
He would be gentle (Isaiah 42 :1-4)
He would have a unique relationship with God (Psalm 16 :1-11)
He would be the son of God (Psalm 2 :7-12; Proverbs 30 :4; 2Samuel7)
He would be the Good Shepherd (Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would be born in normal circumstances (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would be born in poverty (Isaiah 11 :1-2)
He would be preceded by a herald (Isaiah 40 :3-5; Malachi 3 :1)
He would be born in Bethlehem, city of David (Micah 5 :2)
He would be seen riding on a donkey (Zechariah 9 :9-10)
He would be present 483 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem,
after the Babylonian Captivity (Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would appear before 70 AD (Genesis 49 :10; Isaiah 7 :14; Isaiah 8
:9-10; Isaiah 9 :6-7; Zechariah 11 :1-17; 1 Chronicles 17 :10b-14;
Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would be a king (Genesis 49 :10; Numbers 24 :17; Isaiah 7 :14; Isaiah
9 :6-7; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; 1 Chronicles 17 :10-14; Psalm 2 :7-12; Psalm
110 :1-7)
He would be a priest (Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would be a prophet (Deuteronomy 18 :15-19; Isaiah 61 :1-2)
He would be specially trained (Isaiah 50 :4-9)
He would remove the curse due to Adam’s fall (Genesis 5 :21-29)
He would be rejected at first (Isaiah 49 :1-13; Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12;
Zechariah 11 :1-17; Zechariah 12 :10; Psalm 22; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would only be accepted by a small believing remnant of the people
(Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would appear to fail but in fact be successful (Isaiah 42 :1-4)
He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11 :1-17)
His rejection would result in an attack upon Israel and the scattering
of the people (Zechariah 11 :1-17; Zechariah 13:7)
His rejection would be followed by the acceptance of a false Messiah
(Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would eventually be accepted (Isaiah 49 :1-13; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would be seated at the right hand of God (Psalm 80 :17; Psalm 110
:1-7)
He would suffer (Isaiah 50 :4-9; Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Psalm 22)
He would be legally tried and condemned to death (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would die (Psalm 16 :1-11; Psalm 22)
He would be executed (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Daniel 9:24-27)
He would die a violent death by means of piercing (Zechariah 12 :10;
Zechariah 13 :6-7; Psalm 22)
His death would be substitutionary (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
His death would result in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple
(Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would be resurrected (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Psalm 16 :1-11; Psalm 22)
He would bring justification to those who believe in Him (Isaiah 52
:13-53 :12)
He will be ruler of the Gentile nations (Psalm 2 :7-12)
He will rule over Israel in the Messianic Kingdom (Psalm 110 :1-7) J
Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 - I will enact a new covenant with the House of Judah
Answer: He was!
David said to Nathan, “I stand guilty before the LORD!” And Nathan replied to David, “The LORD has remitted your sin; you shall not die" (2nd Samuel 12:13)
I believe he was forgiven but his deed didn't go unpunished. Notice he didn't have that baby and his family was in shambles. His son slept with his wife, his son graped his daughter, his son killed his son for graping his daughter so, there were consequences for David's action.
This was a great debate!! In light of the actual text of Scripture,Dr.Brown's arguments were very compelling.
I've studied Isaiah too. 16 times. I do not see how Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah. That wasn't even Dr Brown's argument. His argument was that it's about atonement and it's an individual. But that it's about the Messiah? Why didn't he bother proving that? Is that evident from the text of scripture which doesn't even say the word Messiah in the entire chapter 53?
@@moses2031 “Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16
“When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.” John 16:13
You won’t understand the Bible as God intends you to, unless you come to God in a sincere, humble heart, and ask Him to show you what it really means. It is an intelligent and factual book no matter what, and we all know that. But it doesn’t become a living, supernatural, and amazingly deep and layered book until the Holy Spirit shows you exactly what He meant, personally.
@@ToLoveGod So you believe that jesus cannot be seen from the books of the Bible unless we are given some "spiritual" insight?
@@moses2031 However you receive correct interpretation, it is a blessing from God, since clearly millions of false interpretations exist. I would lean towards saying yes.
@@ToLoveGod Ok so should I accept what every person claims they received through the holy spirit? Should I accept what al the catholic popes and saints said? Should I accept what joseph mormon said? Are you telling me that G-D did not write his word clearly enough for us to uderstand?
I feel so sorry for this Jewish man, and for any who agree with his point of view. I can see he harbors much hate. It was most evident when he described people who murdered others. He yelled there is no forgiveness or atonement, for those who kill the innocent. Then that would mean King David would have never been forgiven for sending his friend to the Frontline to die, so King David could take his wife. So basically the Jewish teacher speaking would say King David is in hell for his horrific murder of his friend. But that is not the truth.King David is in heaven with God our Father and The Risen Lord Jesus. Blessed are those who's sins are paid for by another. Ty Yeshua for your great Love
Right exactly! And Saul wouldn't have became Paul if it wasn't for christs atonement,
רבנים יקרים,
אני מקווה שהמכתב הזה ימצא אותך בבריאות טובה, ואני מתפלל שאלוהי אברהם, יצחק ויעקב וחכמה יהיו על לבבך. אני כותב לך בלב מלא אהבה ויראת כבוד עמוקה לעם היהודי. בתור חסיד של ישוע המשיח, אני רוצה לחלוק איתך מידע משמעותי מהברית הישנה שמוביל לגאולה ולהתגלותו של ישוע כמשיח. גילויים אלו נחשפים כעת על ידי חלומות לעם היהודי בכללותו.
הברית הישנה, עם השטיח העשיר של חזיונות אלוהיים, מספקת תובנות עמוקות לגבי תוכנית הישועה של אלוהים. נבואות אלו, שנמסרו במשך דורות, משמשות עדות להתאמה המדהימה בין כתבי הקודש היהודיים לחייו של ישוע.
נבואה: ישעיהו ז' 14 "על כן ה' בכבודו ובעצמו יתן לכם אות: הנה הבתולה הרה ותלד בן ותקרא את שמו עמנואל". הגשמה: מתי א' 22-23 "וכך נעשה כל זה למען יתקיים אשר נאמר על ידי ה' באמצעות הנביא לאמר: 'הנה הבתולה הרה וילדה בן ויקראו'. שמו עמנואל', שמתורגם ל'אלוהים איתנו'".
נבואה: מיכה ה:2 "אבל אתה, בית לחם אפרתה, אף על פי שאתה קטן בין אלפי יהודה, אך ממך ייצא אלי המושל בישראל אשר יציאתו מימי קדם ומעולם. ." הגשמה: מתי ב' 1-2 "ועכשיו אחרי שישוע נולד בבית לחם יהודה בימי הורדוס המלך, הנה, חכמים מהמזרח באו לירושלים, ואמרו, 'היכן הוא שנולד מלך הקודש'. יהודים? כי ראינו את כוכבו במזרח ובאנו לעבוד אותו'".
נבואה: ישעיהו 53:5 "אבל על פשעינו הוא נפצע, על עוונותינו הוא נפגע; ייסור לשלום שלנו היה עליו, ובפסיו נרפאנו". הגשמה: פטרוס א' 2:24 "אשר נשא בעצמו את חטאינו בגופו על העץ, כדי שאנו, לאחר שמתנו מהחטאים, נחיה למען הצדק - אשר בפסים שלו נרפאת."
נבואה: ישעיהו ט:6 "כי ילד נולד לנו, בן ניתן לנו, והממשלה תהיה על כתפו. ושמו ייקרא נפלא, יועץ, אלוהים אדירים, אב נצח, נסיך השלום. ." הגשמה: לוקס ב':11 "כי נולד לכם היום בעיר דוד מושיע שהוא המשיח ה'".
נבואות אלו, בין רבות אחרות, מדגישות את ההתאמה המדהימה בין הברית הישנה לחייו של ישוע. אנו מוצאים בו את התגשמות הבטחותיו של אלוהים ואת הגשר המאחד את האמונה היהודית עם תקווה לישועה לכל האנושות.
בזמן שאתה חושב על הנבואות האלה, אני ממליץ לך לחקור את הקשר בין הברית הישנה והחדשה, תוך הכרה בישוע כמשיח המיוחל. יהי רצון שאלוהים של אברהם, יצחק ויעקב יגלה לך את האמת הזו לגבי המשיח המיוחל.
בברכה, יעקב
Thank you I will definitely use what you have wrote when speaking to my Jewish Neighbors. God bless
Shmuley not only gave one of the worst, off topic, unhinged debate performances I've ever seen, he also publicly defamed Michael Brown who he claims is his friend. The worst part is so many people cheered when he was being obviously manipulative. I'm not sure of he's just unware of all this or he's a deceitful snake, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this guy after this.
"Hey can you pass the salt?"
"What's that supposed to mean? We are a little opressed people and evil Christians keep trying to preach to us which is just like the holocaust! Jews never ever opressed Christians, EVER!"
"Uh okay I'll get it myself."
If I’m honest, I’m not sure I’ve seen a debate in which Dr. Brown hasn’t done an amazing job.
Really? Then, watch him debate a Catholic named William Albrecht and let it be a first for you.
It is a problem in heart whoever is stubborn and proud cannot see the truth.
I saw a few dabates M.Brown and I can say he did good job thanks God for his salvation and ministry.
Sowing the seeds, believing in word of God and making 100 % more..... those are blessed!
We love You, Dr. Michael Brown, even as Yeshua HaMashiakh loves us.
A Gentile Looks at Isaiah 53.
From a Gentiles perspective, Isaiah 53 really looks fulfilled in Jesus Christ. 53 is not about the nations acknowledging a misunderstanding about Israel...it better fits the Isaiah Servant narrative, of God's promise of worldwide salvation to the Gentiles. Chap 42 starts with the Servant's great success in bringing salvation to the Gentiles. 49 talks about the Servant bringing salvation to the Gentiles,, and both calls Him Israel, and distinguishes Him from the nation of Israel in the same way a leader of people both represents the people and is other than them. 52 ends with the Gentiles being surprised at this Servants suffering, and 53 explains the purpose of His suffering being an almah, a guilt offering that atones for our sins, and brings forgiveness and righteousness to us. 55 identifies the One Who brings this salvation to the Gentiles as Messiah, and tells all mankind, Gentiles and Jews to repent and seek the Lord, and we will be forgiven.
If I didn't know one word of the New Testament, I would recognize this theme as being obviously fulfilled in history, the worldwide rise of Christianity, started by the crucifixion of Jesus Christ for our sins, His resurrection; and the viral expansion of the Church.
thank you for these hard lessons speach
Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
From a newcomer to Christianity and Judaism. I was raised catholic but rarely participated in the faith. Rabbi was arguing that Jews dont need a man to die for their sins because it alludes that men no longer having to live a life of morality. The Holy Bible doesnt teach that, it says you still need to repent and live a life of glory and morakity, jesus dying does not absolve you of all your wrongdoings. Thats a silly assumption.
We have an INCREDIBLE amount of literature from the Second Temple Jewish period. A ton of it. So we're aware of what the Messianic expectations were and the passages they used to look forward to the Messiah. We also have a few examples of "Messiahs" from that period that many Jews followed, even to their deaths... those movements were wiped out quickly. But Jesus? His testimony still survives today and is widespread, all across the world.
There's a lot of revisionist history in the Jewish literature since Jesus' ministry, particularly about those passages that Christians use to point to Jesus' foreshadowing in the Hebrew Bible (the same passages Jews used to use to point to the coming Messiah). There's a reason so many Jews turned to Jesus after hearing what he did and examining the Scriptures, it's because they saw and understood his fulfillment of the promises that the prophets gave us. The problem is now, after 2000 years, most serious Jews rely on the Talmud more than they rely on the Scriptures. I'm sure many Jews will argue against that fact, but they know it is true.
I would challenge any Jew who is seriously versed in the Scriptures to go and read the New Testament. If you are so sure in your faith and the correctness of your position, go read. It shouldn't threaten your faith if you are so correct. But you might find that the New Testament is written by Jews, sometimes for Jews in particular, and contain all the answers about Jesus that you need to know. Then you can make your decision.
YES
The logic of Shumley's rebuttal could easily be equally applied to the horrors that followed Moses and Joshua leading the Israelites into the Promised Land.
How come they suffered so from Assyria, Babylon, Rome IF such blessing was promised for their following Moses?
Dr. Brown, do you find any of Rabbi Shmuley's particularly compelling? If so, which ones? I'm curious what he thinks about the temple sacrificial atonement system and why that's no longer relevant for Jews today? What changed for the Jews and why does he now feel he no longer needs to atone for his sins? That is, why has atonement shifted now solely to personal responsibility?
The sacrificial system only applied when there was a temple. Even jesus agrees with this point:
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ (matthew 9:13)
@@moses2031 I'm not sure I follow. Rabbi Shmuley doesn't believe in Jesus as the true Temple so I'm not really sure why they felt the sacrificial system that served to atone for their sins was no longer necessary after the destruction of the 2nd Temple. Just doing some cursory research, I found that the ancient ritual abruptly came to an end in 70 C.E., when the Romans destroyed the Temple. At this point, what remained of the Jewish population in Judea had to decide how Passover would be celebrated. The task of adapting Judaism to its new Temple-less reality fell to Rabban Gamaliel II, head of the Jewish Assembly - the Sanhedrin. With regard to the Passover sacrifice, Gamaliel decreed that the sacrifice should continue in family homes, with each family sacrificing its own goat or sheep.
However, other rabbis believed that the Passover sacrifice, like all the other sacrifices, could only be conducted by the priests in the Temple and that, like the other sacrifices, should not be conducted until the Messiah comes and the Temple is rebuilt. Some Jews followed Gamaliel and continued to sacrifice goats and sheep in their homes on Passover; others didn’t and saw the practice as apostasy. Within about two generations, the practice ceased when the anti-sacrifice camp assumed control and threatened to excommunicate those who practiced it. So, sometime in the second century C.E., Jews stopped the practice of sacrificing baby goats and sheep on Passover. Until recently, that is.
But for followers of Jesus, the cessation of the OT sacrificial system makes perfect sense under the New Covenant. When Jesus said if they destroyed “this temple” and in three days He would raise it up, the Jews thought Jesus was talking about the physical temple in Jerusalem, which had taken forty-six years to build. . But John inserts an explanatory comment: the temple of which Jesus spoke was His own body. Thus, we see our Lord identifying Himself as the new and true temple. The old covenant sanctuary was going to be superseded by a new temple, even Jesus Himself, in whom His people are being knit together as a true sanctuary for God (1 Peter 2:4-5). Dr. R.C. Sproul writes in his commentary John, “Christ is the temple, and all men are commanded to come to Him in order to worship and serve the one true God.”
But rabbi Shmuley doesn't believe in the new Temple sanctuary in Jesus as means for atoning for sins. If Orthodox Jews no longer maintain the sacrificial system how does Rabbi Shmule believe they can still atone for their sins? My guess is "personal responsibility" but I would argue that this view is very inconsistent with the tenets of the Torah.
@@paulawallace8784 Prophet Isaiah would not agree with you there. See his commission from God, when He saw God in the Temple in Isaiah 6:
Isaiah 6.5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.” Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”
See, he did not atone for his own sins.
@@D18.21 Yes Yeshua wants repentance, no sacrifice is needed, for He died for your sins Isa 53:5 (He was bruised for our iniquities); verse 6 (and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all); verse 8 (for the transgressions of My people He was stricken); verse 11 (by His knowledge My righteous servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities) verse 12 (and He bear the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors Luke 23:34)) . But Israel is blind (Isa 42:16,18+19; Isa 6:9-13) till the day Yeshua comes back, to restore Israel and opens their eyes (Isa 10:21; 9:5+6).
@@D18.21 First off, I've never seen anyone argue against the sacrificial system of Israel and how that served to atone for the sins and guilt of the people. I just want to make sure I'm following you correctly.....is that what your implying?
As for Hosea, "let us render for bulls the offering of our lips....." How? What changed for the Jews that the sacrifice of bulls for sins was no longer needed? Why does the offering of our lips now suffice? I'm not sure I follow how one day sacrifices were needed, but then the next day they weren't? I don't mean this sound sarcastic b/c I'm asking genuinely with much respect- Was the entire sacrificial system commanded directly by God for the Tabernacle and then instituted for the Temple just window-dressing? Simply theater if the offering of our lips in repentance was all that was needed.
However, Hosea 3:4-5 and 14:23 make perfect sense if God Himself served as the once and for all sacrifice that the entire Hebrew sacrificial system was pointing to. Through what He did, we now no longer need to offer bulls. Why? B/c Jesus is now the once and for all sacrifice for our sins. We now only need to repent, just as Hosea says, and proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
Otherwise, however, the sacrificial system is deemed no longer necessary after the Temple is destroyed? But why? Doesn't that imply that the entire sacrificial system was never really a meaningful and necessary command by God? Was it all just figurative and symbolic? Given the seriousness that God gives those commands surrounding the Levitical system and its offerings and sacrifices and HIs demand for their precise administration (see Nadab and Abihu), I feel all of that couldn't have been just flowery and symbolic, but carried with it heavy significance and importance.
Sins required sin offerings (Lev 5-7), and the Day of Atonement served as a culmination day where all sins of the Israelite people were atoned for. If that's the case, how can Hosea shift without irreconcilable differences with the Levitical system? Answer- B/c God sent HIs Son. He is the lamb lead to the slaughter in Isaiah 53 to bear our iniquities. He is what makes it possible to simply repent without a lamb for the sins of an individual Israelite (Lev 6:1-7) or the atoning sacrifices of bulls, goats, and rams (burnt offering) on Yom Kippur (Lev 16). Without The Lamb who takes away the sins of the world, the entire story of the Israelite people and the significance of the Temple is incomplete.
Just my thoughts. Cheers.
Shmuely starts with one of the most soul-enrichinng and important truths that the Jewish tradition preserves for us...We have the freedom to take responsibility for our actions. Meaning you are not the incarnation of evil tainted by the sin of primordial man who therefore is doomed to inappropriate behavior until you believe a certain religious dogma. Neither is the object of your inappropriate behavior somehow doomed to receiving such treatment for either their or your errors.
That is exactly why Jordan Peterson's lectures have been so helpful to so many people around the world lately. Peterson tells people to clean up their room. He tells them to sacrifice. He doesn't tell them that someone else paid the price for the mess they continue to live in so that they can avoid the consequences of this in an afterlife. I find it interesting that so much of what Peterson teaches aligns more with Jewish thought than with the church he has been exposed to through his family. Even his daughter Michaela became a christian mostly because of a drug trip... something which anyone can experience in any religion and with any sort of religious icon appearing to the person. Christians look at their new testament and think that it accurately represents jewish thought when in reality it is a fun house of nonsense, misrepresentation and outright lies. And worse, as evidence that these lies must somehow be true, they look toward emotional highs and miracles! Miracles and highs happen everywhere in the world. They are no more evidence of truth than a potato chip in the image of Mary.
Faith in Jesus is accompanied by repentance. Faith without works is dead. The atonement isn't a license to sin. Jesus didn't die so we can continue in sin,but to put sin to death. Jesus said go and sin no more.. Michael Brown explained some of this in the video. He also mention sewing and reaping.
@@jackieruiz2348 Any historic person that may have been reinvented as the Jesus of Christianity would be horrified at what nonsense theology is supposedly attributed to him. Michael Brown's teaching is horrifyingly removed from reality.
@@booksquid856 How so?
The Jews are right on this...The text in Isiah 53 DOES NOT MENTION JESUS NAME, DOES NOT MENTION THE MESSIAH, and besides Isiah was concerned with what was going on in his time...Don't you all think the Jews know their own Torah...This is just like most of all the other prophecies...they are too vague, Christians wish them to be true, because they want to believe... And nothing wrong with that but that does not make it true... There are so many problems with the whole Bible that once you research the bible with the HISTORICAL SCHOLARS you will find so much of it is forced to make the old testament predict the new testament. We all know Jesus cannot be wrong...yet he did not return in the lifetime of the apostles like he said he would...THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH...LAST CHAPTER OF MARK WAS ADDED LATER....it goes on and on...
You need the Holy Spirit, He will guide you in all truth. Seek the Lord we live in evil days.
I am sure the Jews know there own Torah ...and so does Dr Brown...he is a Jew. I enjoyed and learned from both sides of the argument. There are also Jews that don't even believe in God.
“For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.”
Leviticus 17:11 Yes we do need blood shed. For the forgiveness of sins
What does God expect?
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doestwell, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall behis desire, and thou shalt rule over him. (Genesis 4:6-7)This is simply God telling Cain that he needs to turn to Him, do what is right and not give in totheanger that is driving him. This is the simplest way that God can possibly explain repentance. So from ths early point in the Hebrew Bible we see God show that repentance is paramount
When David sinned in the matter of Bathsheba, he was approached by Nathan the prophet. Nathan confronted David with his sin. David immediately repented and was forgiven by God. David later wrote about this in his Psalms.Sacrificeand offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sinoffering hast thou not required. (Psalm 40:6) Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteous . O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. For thou dirsirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of Godare a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. (Psalm 51:14-17). What is David saying here? Didn't he know that he had to offer a sacrifice because he had sinned? Didn't he know what Moses taught? David was very aware of what he had done and he was very aware of what God's requirements were for his forgiveness. David was privy to something that most Christians haven't the foggiest idea about. Sin offerings were only performed for UNINTENTIONAL SIN. If someone committed a sin unknowingly or unintentionally and later they became aware of it, then they were to present a sin offering. In Gods economy there is even a special sin offering for the unknown sin, in case Israel had sinned and later did not become aware of it. The sacrifice was to teach one to be more careful and strive harder to avoid committing the sin. Each lamb, goat or turtledove cost the sinner.
I cannot share with you any passages that show how blood is used to atone for intentional sin because there are none.
Other things that can atone for sins. You must realize that this is the Word of God when you read these passages.The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls. And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make anatonement for your souls. (Exodus 30:15-16) In this passage, a person can offer money as anatonement. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin. And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass,which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD; one for a sinoffering, and the other for a burnt offering. And he shall bring them unto the priest, who shall offer that which is for the sin offering first, and wring off his head from his neck, but shall not divide it asunder:And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering. And he shall offer the second for aburnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sinwhich he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him. But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for itis a sin offering. Then shall he bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it, even a memorial thereof, and burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: it isa sin offering.(Leviticus 5:6-12)
This passage starts out having a person offer a lamb or a goat for a sin offering. If the person cannot bring a lamb or a goat because they can't afford it then they can bring two turtle doves or two young pigeons. But what of the person that is poor and cannot afford them? God had thought of this situation also. Fine flour can be offered for a sin offering. Some Christian's heads must feel like they are going to explode when they read this. Flour can't possibly have blood.
The statement is in Hebrews 10:20, it reads, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.This is another way of telling us that this is a new method of atonement. It signifies a departure from the Torah and its teachings on sin and atonement. Can you show me where God revealed that he was going to change his method of atonement?
He seems like an angry man. Pride keeps him from seeing or hearing.
By rabbi Schmuley's argument, that anybody who kill will face the Lord's judgement and that Hitler will never be forgiven, then those who were involved in slavery and killed so many uncountable Africans will face the same judgement.
Interesting debate 🤔
ONE FOR ISRAEL CHANNEL put out a program titled "Isaiah 53 - is it Israel or Messiah" which clearly shows the contrast of "Israel versus Jesus" being the Messiah✝️ in the ONE FOR ISRAEL presentation everything is put on the table and is very clear who God was speaking of.
Thank you Dr Brown, GOD bless you !!!
It takes the Holy Spirit of Jesus christ to open the eyes
I listened to the Jewish Rabbi Shmuley speak and instantly this came into my mind.
JESUS spoke:
John 8: 44-47 KJV
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Amen ✝ 🙏
Peace to unto all.
Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Amen ✝️ 🙏
The book of Ezra talks about turning back to God and repentance.
The Rabbi is wrong. Isaiah 53 has not always been interpreted by the Jews as referring to the nation of Israel and in fact the interpretation of referring to the nation of Israel is rather recent. To cite but a few examples:
Rabbi Moses Alschech (1508-1600) says (referring to Isaiah chapter 53):
“Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view.”
Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century):
“As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah.”
Abraham Farissol ( 1451- 1526) says:
“In this chapter there seem to be considerable resemblances and allusions to the work of the Christian Messiah and to the events which are asserted to have happened to Him, so that no other prophecy is to be found the gist and subject of which can be so immediately applied to Him.”
Gersonides (1288-1344) on Deut. 18:18:
“In fact Messiah is such a prophet, as it is stated in the Midrasch on the verse,’Behold, my servant shall prosper…’ (Isa. 52:13).”
Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai (2.Century) , Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III, page 218a, Amsterdam Ed.):
“There is in the garden of Eden a palace called : ‘The palace of the sons of sickness, this palace the Messiah enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel: they all come and rest upon Him. And were it not that He had thus lightened them off Israel, and taken them upon Himself, there had been no man able to bear Israels chastisement for the transgression of the law; this is that which is written, ‘Surely our sicknesses he has carried’ Isa.53,4).- As they tell Him (the Messiah) of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, He lifts up His voice and weeps for their wickedness; and so it is written,’He was wounded for our transgressions’ (Isa.53,5).
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Even if there were some who believed Isaiah 53 refers to Israel in the 2nd century A.D. it still didn't start to become a commonly held view until Medieval times.
I didn't bother to look up your sources for the commentaries but I am guessing they are all from after the year 1000?
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Actually when I look up your citations I am not getting early dates for everyone either. When I look up Ibn Ezra I get the years 1000-1100. When I look up Don Yitzchak Abarbenal he didn't live until the years 1437-1508. When I look up Talmud Berachoth I do get the years 5a c.450 - c.550 CE which are a little earlier but, again, I didn't say there were absolutely no sources calling the Suffering Servant Israel. What I said is there were plenty of sources before fairly recently calling the Suffering Servant a person rather than the nation of Israel. When I look up Midrash Rabba I find that it was created over 8 centuries being first published in the 1600s; maybe I'm wrong on this one but if I am please point out where because I don't see otherwise when I look it up. When I look up Targum Jonathan it was written in the 4th century A.D. However, there is also this intro to Isa. 52:13 in Targum Jonathan which says ”Behold, my servant the Messiah shall prosper; he shall be high and increase and be exceedingly strong…“. If you look above at my previous citations I also gave you one from the Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III, page 218a, Amsterdam Ed. which dates from the 2nd century A.D.
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Midrash (on Ruth 2,14): “He is speaking of the King Messiah - ‘Come hither’, i.e.”>Draw near to the throne, The bread of the kingdom.’ This refers to the chastisements
@@falsemessiah751
Would you mind telling me which of your sources are from before the Medieval period because when I look them up none of them appear to be from before that time period. Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai lived in the 2nd century A.D. and Rabbi Jose the Galilean lived in the 1rst and 2nd centuries A.D.
I have no idea who is Walter Brueggemann Ph.D but I'm sure I could find just as many people who disagree with him. There are certainly plenty of Jewish writers proceeding him in the previous centuries who would disagree with him.
There is further evidence ancient Jews believed Isaiah 53 to prophesize the Messiah in Micah 5:2:
But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity. Micah 5:2
A person who would be born in Bethlehem is mentioned in this passage.
The Jewish Study Bible says of Micah 5:2:
"Traditional Jewish interpretations of this verse tends to focus on comparisons between the birth pangs of a woman and the hardship of Israel prior to the coming of the Messiah. See the following text: “Rab said: The son of David will not come until the [Roman] power enfolds Israel for nine months, as it is written, Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. ‘Ulla said: Let him [The Messiah) come, but let me not see him. Rabbah said likewise: Let him come, but let me not see him … Abaye enquired of Rabbah: ‘What is your reason [for not wishing to see him)? Shall we say, because of the birth pangs [preceding the advent] of the Messiah?’ But it has been taught, R. Eleazar’s disciples asked him: ‘What must a man do to be spared the pangs of the Messiah?’ [He answered,] ‘Let him engage in study and benevolence; and you Master do both.’ ” (b. Smr/1. 98b [Soncino ET]).[1]"
It can be seen from here that the Messiah would come sometime after the Roman Empire had become powerful and occupied Israel for more than 9 months. This view from the Jewish Study Bible is Isaiah 53 refers to the Messiah and not to the nation of Israel.
There is also this from Josephus who lived was born in 37 A.D.:
“That then should their city be taken, as well as their holy house, when once their temple should become foursquare.” But now, what did most elevate them in undertaking this war, was an ambiguous oracle that was also found in their sacred writings, how, “about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth.” The Jews took this prediction to belong to themselves in particular and many of the wise men were thereby deceived in their determination. Now, this oracle certainly denoted the government of Vespasian, who was appointed emperor in Judea. However, it is not possible for men to avoid fate, although they see it beforehand. But these men interpreted some of these signals according to their own pleasure; and some of them they utterly despised, until their madness was demonstrated, both by the taking of their city, and their own destruction. (Book 2, chapter 6, and paragraph 4)
In this passage the Jews are expecting someone to come in the 1rst century to deliver them from the Romans (about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth.) which is a Messiah who would come and rule over the whole World.
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Upon further research it does appear that there were at least three people before Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah according to Jewish historian Josephus. They were 1. Judas, son of the bandit chief Ezekias, whom Herod the Great had executed 2. Simon of Perea, a slave of king Herod who was the leader of a rebellion that burned down the palace in Jericho who was eventually executed 3. Athronges in Judea who leading his armed supporters and brothers was recognized by them as being a king and led them against Herod Archelaus and the Romans. It is apparent from this writing that Jews were already expecting a Messiah to deliver them from the Romans before Jesus was crucified. (Josephus, Jewish War; Josephus, Jewish Antiquities; Crossan, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant)
Rabbi Shmuley says he will carry his own sins without an intercessor, but the whole sanctuary service and the need for the shedding of the blood of an innocent animal were in place of the sinner. The sanctuary and the temple itself was an intercessor and played that role.
The attitude of the unrepentant heart so like how we all used to be, very evident in the Rabbi's attitude.
He turned a simple debate into a holocaust lecture
It's soo obvious how can they not see?
Yes agreed! Isaiah so clear so obvious it’s mind blowing.
God recently taught me that His salvation plan never changed at all, aside from maybe appearance.
Maybe this rabbi will eventually see it hasn’t changed and in repenting will trust Jesus. Who knows?
The whole Bible makes it clear Yeshua is the Messiah they were waiting for. Isaiah 53 is just one of the most obvious chapters. It's a shame really
@@allonekingdom yes true. From beginning promise given to Adam & Eve then Abraham sacrificing his son, Joseph Moses, David etc were all a foreshadowing of the messiah.
I know of certain Messianic Jews who have woken up to the Truth and do believe that Yeshua is their messiah. I’ve even met a few of them. Praise God for removing the blinds from their eyes we hope and pray more Jews come to see who Jesus is.
Because it isn't. The word Messiah isn't even mentioned in Isaiah 53 yet all christians assume that he was talking about the Messiah in the chapter.
I recommend Dr. Brown Vs. Rabbi Tovia Singer and also Professor Solberg Vs. Rabbi Singer as well
The problem with the Orthodox Jewish interpretation of Isaiah 53 being "Israel",
instead of the Messiah, is In most of the verses, there are 2 different subjects. One subject is represented by the Pro-nouns "He" & "Him", while the other subject is represented by the Pro-nouns "We" & "Our". And these 2 subjects cannot be the SAME.
Now we know that the Pro-nouns "We" & "Our", are clearly speaking of the people of "Israel".
But the Jews believe that the Pro-nouns "He" & "Him", are ALSO speaking of "Israel".
And that interpretation does not work because that makes BOTH SUBJECTS the SAME,
and it does not make any sense. Here is an example....
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3 "HE" (Israel) is despised and rejected of men; a "MAN" of sorrows,
and acquainted with grief and "WE" (Israel) hid as it were "OUR" (Israel's) faces from
"HIM" (Israel); "HE" (Israel) was despised, and "WE" (Israel) esteemed "HIM" (Israel) not.
4 Surely "HE" (Israel) hath borne "OUR" (Israel's) griefs, and carried "OUR" (Israel's) sorrows:
yet "WE" (Israel) did esteem "HIM" (Israel) stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But "HE" (Israel) was wounded BY "OUR" (Israel's) transgressions,
"HE" (Israel) was bruised BY "OUR" (Israel's) iniquities:
the chastisement of "OUR" (Israel's) peace was upon "HIM" (Israel);
and with "HIS" (Israel's) stripes "WE" (Israel) are healed.
6 All "WE" (Israel) like sheep have gone astray; "WE" (Israel) have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on "HIM" (Israel) the iniquity of "US" (Israel) all.
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So when you make BOTH ("He" & "Him") & ("We" & Our") the SAME SUBJECT, meaning "Israel",
it does not make sense and it does not work.
Because "He" & "Him" is SINGULAR, and "We" & "Our" is PLURAL, so they cannot be the same.
Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus the Messiah, the suffering savior for Israel & the Gentiles.
@@falsemessiah751 O.K., let's assume that you are right about that.
There are still 2 subjects that are talked about in those verses and they cannot BOTH BE "ISRAEL". So if one of the subjects is ISRAEL, then who is the other "subject" talking about ?
Please translate verse 3 for me below...
Write the whole verse out for me and insert into the pronouns, "We", "He", "Our" & "Him", and tell me who each "pronoun" is talking about.
Thank you for your time....
3 "HE" (Israel) is despised and rejected of men; a "MAN" of sorrows,
and acquainted with grief and "WE" (Israel) hid as it were "OUR" (Israel's) faces from "HIM" (Israel); "HE" (Israel) was despised, and "WE" (Israel) esteemed "HIM" (Israel) not.
@@falsemessiah751 Is there any reason why you cannot do what I asked you to do ? Write verse 3 out and insert into the Pronouns, We, He, Him, & Our, who it is talking about...it is a very simple request. Thank you
@@falsemessiah751 Thank you. Maybe because the "Plural" pronouns "We" are talking about "Israel" and not the Messiah.
Because in verses 4 & 5, according to your interpretation, "Israel" has borne and carried the "Gentile Nations" grief, transgressions, & iniquities !! That doesn't work either I"m sorry to say, and I would be very surprised if you did not agree.
@@falsemessiah751 Another honest question that I have concerning Isaiah 53, and the interpretation that "we" is speaking of the Gentile nations, is why would God speak through Isaiah, who is a Jewish Prophet to the nation of Israel, but yet Isaiah is speaking as a "Gentile" in the "first person" ?
The Gentiles were not even God's people at that time.
So when you add that together with "Israel" bearing the sins and iniquities of the Gentile nations, it just doesn't work, because several times in that chapter, it speaks of someone being "Sinless", and that cannot be speaking of "Israel" or any other "Nation".
@@falsemessiah751 I think we can agree that we don't even have to address the "so-called" mistranslations of the "Christian" bible, as I am reading these verses from your perspective and interpretation.
"the LORD hath laid on him (Israel) the iniquity of us (Gentiles) all.
(verse 6c) (God put MY sin on Israel ?, not at all.)
"when thou shalt make his soul (Israel) an offering for sin" (Verse 10b)
(Israel is the "offering" for MY or Gentiles sins? not at all.)
"by his (Israels) knowledge shall my righteous servant (Israel) justify many; for he shall bear their (Gentiles) iniquities." (verse 11b)
(Israel bore MY or the Gentiles iniquities? Not at all.)
"and he (Israel) bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (verse 12d) (Israel bore MY or the Gentiles sin ? Not at all.)
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"because he (Israel) had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth." (Verse 9b)
(Israel did NO VIOLENCE with NO DECEIT in their mouth?) Your joking right?
It just doesn't work.
As far as the "Sinless" verses go,
"had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth" (v. 9)
(That can't be speaking of Israel )
The other 5 verses "imply" sinless status as God is putting the
"sins & iniquities" of someone else on another person or "nation".
Meaning the "sins" were not their "own", meaning "sinless".
Just like "a lamb without blemish" was required for a sacrifice.
Sorry, "Israel" just doesn't fit that description, it just does not work.
Take Care.
He just said that if Yeshua is the Mashiach he would reject religion, what means he would reject the Creator of the universe…. Well… what ego makes with man…
When he said that he lost the argument and demonstrated how lost his soul truly is ( I will pray for him )
Okay I honestly have a hard time listening to this guy. His theatrics grate on my nerves, so I mean this as a serious question. Is he unaware that the OT describes the people of Israel rejecting God and being punished for it? Every snippet I hear he is describing Israel suffering for being so righteous. Does he think God broke his promises at the end of Deuteronomy?
Who, you are referring, Dr or Rabbi???
Dr. Brown's text-based analysis easily beats Rabbi Shmuley's rhetoric, just as Scripture casts down any argument.