They could only run operations from his office units, which will involve paying monthly rent from their own pockets and that's not including utilities!
Business currently worthless, they would get 5% revenue for doing nothing plus keep 10% undilutable shares. Its only a good deal because they were not making any money so this way they get money for nothing
@@glowblank17 because if the deal went through, Touker would have essentially own the business with 90%, so its like he is making an offer for himself, hence shaking his own hands
Not true, rather: Kid: "Can I have some money to go and buy candy?" Touker: "Sure, but the money will go for candy repackaging and in return I want 90% of that candy"
And 90% of any candy you ever get, see or speak of for the rest of your life. If you get sick and someone brings you candy in the hospital, I'll arrive at your bedside and claim what's rightfully mine. Pour yourself a bowl of Lucky Charms? Technically every little marbit in the bowl will be candy and I'll want my 90%. Step on a piece of gum while walking down the street? Yup, you guessed it: I want my 90% off of the bottom of your shoe. You must have it cleaned and reprocessed into a usable form and flavor of my choosing. I'm especially fond of flavors that are virtually impossible to replicate such as real Coca-Cola. But you must make it from scratch. You're not allowed to simply pour in a few ounces of the actual soda. That would be disreputable and underhanded.
Touker's offer was a joke, basically he wanted them to give him their entire company in exchange for 5% royalties. What a crook. I'm glad the other dragons called him out on it.
Is it though. They are struggling to launch and market and sell this product. They are making 100% of very little money. If they hand it over to Touker, with his connections and product lines already in place, they get 5% of a LOT of sales.
@@michaelgillman2505 Yes but as the original poster is saying - he wants to take over and have them sell their soul. They are fully invested into this both financially and emotionally, so for an investor to see and hear about the product for 10 minutes and want to own it is pretty ridiculous. They are better off learning from the experience in Dragon's Den and find an investor somewhere else who will be a bit more reasonable.
Touker’s offer basically boiled down to "I'll say I'm going to give you $50k to meet the Den rules, but I'm actually going to give you $5k and a commision if you put in the work to make sales for me" Props to the other Dragons for calling him out on it. Can't believe he'd be such a bald-faced conman when it's being televised.
They would get 5% of all revenue for a company that currently makes them nothing, plus they have 10% undilutable shares. Its a good deal considering their business is worthless without him. They don't have to do anything and can get second job if they want to
@@IAmTheJayster Its a good deal for someone without willing to work hard and someone that is desperate - but sure, its not something complitly irrational.
You're stupid. They would literally get 10% of the company's shares if it was a successful brand to turn into a PLC. On top of that, they'd get 5% on ALL of the brand's sales no matter what. Sara 100% played the long game, as they obviously don't understand how limited companies work. In the UK you need to hold 75% or more of the company to have control over it, and anything less means you don't have control over your own business.
%90 is pretty much a slap in the face. I remember even Deborah rejecting to give an offer because she said that she would want an %80 and that it's not sensible to take that much of someones business...
@@languidquid How did you interpret that? She even commented that the money Touker gave would essentially be going back into his own pocket. It was a terrible offer.
I met someone who made a simple gadget for baby carriers. She got a patent, let a major company take it and was happily taking $250k a year in royalties for what had been several months work.
It's really clever actually. I think unless the business is your heart and soul an offer like Touker's could actually be explored. Sure I'd feel plenty bigger if he was making several hundred thousand and I was making 5% of what he got, but in reality if I didn't accept the offer I'd probably have earnt nothing whilst throwing a lot of money at it. Money and time for that matter.
I thought it was a tempting exit strategy, but the deal needs a bit more tweaking when they need to account for the time spend on developing the product.
Your friend probably has some conditions for leasing the royalties (minimum amount of sales and so on). The patent likely still belongs to her or she might have sold the patent for a good amount of money + royalties. This is not what is happening here. The problem with the proposal here is that, for only 50k (that is essentially going back to himself), the investor might just put it in a drawer and make sure competitors won't put this into the market - basically gatekeeping. Specially taking into consideration that it's not a stablished product/brand that consumers are demanding. The couple runs the risk of the investor never really exploring the product to its full potential and then they wouldn't be making money. They essentially would be giving away the patent and praying he makes this product a priority. In that case it would be better for the couple to actually sell 100% of the company and pocket some money + take some royalties. That way they at least secure a minimum amount of profit and have a better understanding of how much the investor is actually interested (aka his willingness to actually buy the concept). It's very sketchy that he didn't want to spend any money to get this product and let the couple have 10% to justify not giving them money. Its even more sketchy because he didn't try to fight for the product - it makes me feel that his mindset was like: "sure... for free I might as well have this up my sleeve if I ever need it".
@@ciaranperry4677 The taping of this episode was done during the peak days of COVID-19 pandemic. It's also the reason why Peter Jones was not in this episode because he was on self quarantine and Theo served as his substitute. I think it was part of the safety protocols for the entrepreneurs not to shake hands with the dragons despite agreeing to a deal.
Horrible insulting offer. Definitely a Kevin kind of deal. It suggests a businessman who isn't confident in his abilities and lacks good instincts to undercut someone that much
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It was a decent offer. They would become salaried employees (if they wanted) and get 10%. It's the same as a royalty deal. He basically does the work and they cash the residual cheques. Touker already has an established baby business network and distribution.
@@ptsteen genuinely interested in how it’s racism? They just look really similar to me. They have very similar faces, features, hair, glasses, style ... even their voices sound similar to me!
I really like how the other investors look out for the people - if it's a good offer, they say it's a great offer but if there's something shady or greedy, they call it out for what it is lol
Touker: "I'll offer you all the money for 90% of the company...10% stays yours" Entrepreneurs: "Thanks for the offer Touker.... but I don't get out of bed for 10%"
for once im speechless, and that doesnt happen very often. Touker must have balls of brass to make an offer like that and i think it shows the true side of the man. shocking, absolutely shocking!
Hahahahahahaha I love outsmarting my baby with stuff like this. Seriously the look on his face when he realized he could roll, crawl away, and ruin my life is priceless 😂😂😂💀💀💀
Touker just tried to essentially have them hand over their business to him for essentially him to profit entirely on. Poor show Touker, really poor show
Because he kind of was, Peter had to self isolate not much notice with that, although Theo was likely asked if he was willing to stand in if anything like that happened before filming started though.
Dragon: "This is a bizarre thing. I'm willing to give you all the money, £50k, but I want 90% of the business." That is bizarre. You want to give them $5k to take their company, then write it off on your taxes. Not bizarre in the sense that it's abnormal, but bizarre in the sense that no common person could do such a thing and get away with it. Thankfully he was called out on that.
As a parent i can see the $$$ signs if this is promoted correctly and better material, In the UK alone there would be a huge supply from commerical enterprises. As someone who did early child-hood care too this would of saved so much time and effort. Good luck to them
If they agreed, it would've been a huge loss and literally agreeing £50k + 10% (£55k in total) as a valuation of their business! £55k is also the sum a senior manager would earn at a law firm! And to value a business at that amount is disrespectful on Toukers part!
@@originalunoriginal4055 It's no different than a royalty deal. He takes over the business, and they get residual cheques from the 10%. They also have the option to become salaried employees. You comparing the deal with another job is irrelevant. Touker already has an established baby business network and distribution, so the real money comes in after not before.
@@originalunoriginal4055 Touker have a huge business network and distributions relation, the risk is high for you but if it's become successful and which the chancesis high because well it's touker, you probably get 5 times more in about a year or more than how much income you've planned in that project, plus touker took all the responsibility so it's a total huge passive income Well, it looks crazy and evil if you didn't knew long about business or who's touker is in the first place, It's a total fair investment especially if you already have other main business, or a stable business income Well if i was new and that's my first patent product then i wouldn't take touker offer which is a high risk high reward
Decent of her to thank Touker for his offer! But I actually think he made that ridiculous offer so they'd accept Sarah's. He actually wanted just 20% and go halfsies with Sarah
@@Thomas-xn6em he’s known for making a lot of deals that involve out right purchasing or getting controlling interest of a company usually with royalties
I’m starting to think touker doesn’t really want to invest since he asks for so much equity every single time. And he must think if they accept them he’s gonna get a lot of money and if not then whatever
It's sad but the dragons are right. That should have taken off and made more sales than they could handle. The pitch should have been for money to get more product because they can't meet demand. That's a great idea and if marketed right, should have every parent wanting one.
Man idk why people are so offended by this offer. He's offering to buy their company and give them royalties, what's wrong with that? The product has not taken off like you would hope there are some basic things they haven't done like put it on Amazon which would indicate they are either fatigued from running the business or just not capable. Presumably under his management he would use his connections and distribution to get it selling and give them an immediate return. Lot of people here clearly don't have a clue what it's like running a small business that's not earning you any real money.
except he doesn't BUY their business, he's literally paying himself the money, it's exactly like :"give me 90% of your company for free and then work for me"
He’s not buying the company. He wants the company for free. That 50k that he’s giving to them is just going into the business that he will own. Not only that they will be the face of the product that they no longer own. The only thing they are getting is a 5% royalty. So the dud is literally saying, give me your company and work for me. I’ll give you a little something if you do good.
@@kevtlee08 but that IS buying the company. He gets the idea, which is apparently the only thing of value they have, and they get royalties from the sale of their idea.
Don’t know why this hasn’t been invented before. It is a problem that’s gone on for decades. The woman entrepreneur looks and sounds like she hasn’t slept for months
My main concern with this very creative product is that the _only_ option, so far, is lying the baby onto the floor and using your knees as leverage. We've all used public washrooms, and that visual seems like a nightmare. If they came up with a similar idea, with the same type of leverage for an elevated changing surface, they'd have a real winner.
The lady seems like she's been through 5 pregnancies, has been raising the kids all by herself, has 3 part time jobs so she can pay the bills, single mother, only time she gets some sleep is on the bus to/from work/home! Has a hatchback grey Volvo with a punctured tire, parked on a side road and hasn't been driven for months! The lady seems exhausted, mentally, emotionally drained; running on reserves!
Pitch: It's a mat that stops a baby from wriggling when you change them and keeps them safe Duncan: I don't understand the product. Evan: Duncan doesn't understand the product.
Honestly, I would have taken Touker's offer knowing his position and full involvement, which is almost guaranteeing its success and done another invention funded by the 10% share from Touker.
If the money is going to them directly I’d consider it, however they would effectively be giving up the entire business and patent up for £5000 plus a 5% royalty.
Me too. In terms of how licensing an idea/patent works, this offer was actually a very generous one. And the potential given his domestic and international reach is far bigger than their 3 year projections of 110k profit in 3 years.
Touker is a predator. Every offer he makes gives me this vibe that it's to screw the entrepreneur over. I wouldn't trust him if he offered me a bowl of soup. Peter, Deborah and Sara are the best dragons.
Touker was VERY generous he wanted to give them a 10% of his business
They could only run operations from his office units, which will involve paying monthly rent from their own pockets and that's not including utilities!
They should have done a Peter Jones and said "Touker, we'll take 10% shares of your entire business portfolio in return for 90% of our business".
Too bad for him they don’t get out of bed for 10%
Yeah
Wonder what was his evaluation of the business
What Touker offered was very generous towards himself.
Business currently worthless, they would get 5% revenue for doing nothing plus keep 10% undilutable shares.
Its only a good deal because they were not making any money so this way they get money for nothing
@@IAmTheJayster money for nothing and bibs for free
@@deadonentry that ain't working, that's the way you do it
@@deadonentry brilliant comment, made my day 😂
@@deadonentry - You win the internet! 😂
The duo feels like they didn’t get enough sleep the last 3 days. Zero bullshitting anywhere. They deserved success.
It do be like that when you have kids
I know this baby wasn’t that old but try 3 months - 3 years (depending on the child) to be more accurate 😉
They are too soft for enterprising, you need that drive yo.
The poor souls look exhausted. I am glad they got a reasonable investment. I wish them all the success.
Touker: "I'll take 100% of your company... but I want £150,000 to make it worth my time"
For once a fair offer 😂
@@IndianJone He Didn't offer offices lol
If Toukers deal went through he wouldve had to shake his right hand with his left hand
Are Hands legal? Elbows only for conformists.
Hahahaha
@Koxo,
*May you please explain 😫 🤔 🧐?*
@@glowblank17 because if the deal went through, Touker would have essentially own the business with 90%, so its like he is making an offer for himself, hence shaking his own hands
Oh shut up Baxer you you know that in saying what you said you have conformed to a major political group right in the USA
"We don't want to take your baby"
A few minutes later
"I'll take 90 percent"
Soooo good
Touker : " I don't want to take your baby , or 90% " .
" I'll just take 2 arms an a leg "
Yes he doesn't want whole baby, just 90%
@@robertkustos2931 It's more like I'll take the body so I'll leave you with the baby's head
To be fair their response was we're flexible, we what's best for our kid
“I’ve not been born yet, therefore, I’m out” - Theo the Foetus
Actually, You are ‘in’
😂
Excuse me, that's reserved for Jenny
Normally this joke is old and boring, but when it's on a video about a baby product, now it's funny. Haha!
😂😂
Kid: "Can I have some money to go and buy candy?"
Touker: "Sure, but in return I want 90% of that candy"
" look on the bright side, the remaining 10% goes to you. But remember, I will need to take 90% from your 10% I'm considerately giving you! " :D
Not true, rather:
Kid: "Can I have some money to go and buy candy?"
Touker: "Sure, but the money will go for candy repackaging and in return I want 90% of that candy"
Not the correct analogy at all.
And 90% of any candy you ever get, see or speak of for the rest of your life. If you get sick and someone brings you candy in the hospital, I'll arrive at your bedside and claim what's rightfully mine. Pour yourself a bowl of Lucky Charms? Technically every little marbit in the bowl will be candy and I'll want my 90%. Step on a piece of gum while walking down the street? Yup, you guessed it: I want my 90% off of the bottom of your shoe. You must have it cleaned and reprocessed into a usable form and flavor of my choosing. I'm especially fond of flavors that are virtually impossible to replicate such as real Coca-Cola. But you must make it from scratch. You're not allowed to simply pour in a few ounces of the actual soda. That would be disreputable and underhanded.
@@infiltr80r yeah just add a line about the dad being the candy shop owner
"I'll give you 50k but 90% will go back to myself."
And that kids is how the rich get richer. Haha!
Didnt get the deal though. Bet he regrets not biffing in some free office space on the house.
@@lincoln7184 That man has more offices than I've ever had meals in my life :P
Har har but I think this is the first time an offer like this has been made on the den (UK). That's the kind of thing you see on Shark Tank (US).
More like "Great Idea! You can start working tomorrow for 5k"
i'm sure the dragons work together to get the deals.
Touker's offer was a joke, basically he wanted them to give him their entire company in exchange for 5% royalties. What a crook. I'm glad the other dragons called him out on it.
@@doyourownresearch7297 oops i meant royalties! still a terrible offer.
Is it though. They are struggling to launch and market and sell this product. They are making 100% of very little money.
If they hand it over to Touker, with his connections and product lines already in place, they get 5% of a LOT of sales.
@@michaelgillman2505 Yes but as the original poster is saying - he wants to take over and have them sell their soul. They are fully invested into this both financially and emotionally, so for an investor to see and hear about the product for 10 minutes and want to own it is pretty ridiculous.
They are better off learning from the experience in Dragon's Den and find an investor somewhere else who will be a bit more reasonable.
Touker’s offer basically boiled down to "I'll say I'm going to give you $50k to meet the Den rules, but I'm actually going to give you $5k and a commision if you put in the work to make sales for me"
Props to the other Dragons for calling him out on it. Can't believe he'd be such a bald-faced conman when it's being televised.
They would get 5% of all revenue for a company that currently makes them nothing, plus they have 10% undilutable shares.
Its a good deal considering their business is worthless without him.
They don't have to do anything and can get second job if they want to
@@IAmTheJayster Its a good deal for someone without willing to work hard and someone that is desperate - but sure, its not something complitly irrational.
@@IAmTheJayster i doubt they won't have to do anything .. touker also said he wants them to be the front face of the business ...
You're stupid. They would literally get 10% of the company's shares if it was a successful brand to turn into a PLC. On top of that, they'd get 5% on ALL of the brand's sales no matter what. Sara 100% played the long game, as they obviously don't understand how limited companies work. In the UK you need to hold 75% or more of the company to have control over it, and anything less means you don't have control over your own business.
you should see when noone is looking
%90 is pretty much a slap in the face.
I remember even Deborah rejecting to give an offer because she said that she would want an %80 and that it's not sensible to take that much of someones business...
Such a slap in the face that the woman wanted to do the deal
@@languidquid How did you interpret that? She even commented that the money Touker gave would essentially be going back into his own pocket. It was a terrible offer.
Totally Agree 👍💯
its not really a business though, its a product that they didnt have the business or marketing knowledge to do anything with
He also offers 5% royalties. Thats huge under a global market in which they did not even explore.
Touker: I want 100% of the business, for 50,000 and the money goes into the company. 😅😅😅
I read this before the end and did not expect that to actually happen xD oh touker, you sly little goblin..
I met someone who made a simple gadget for baby carriers. She got a patent, let a major company take it and was happily taking $250k a year in royalties for what had been several months work.
It's really clever actually. I think unless the business is your heart and soul an offer like Touker's could actually be explored. Sure I'd feel plenty bigger if he was making several hundred thousand and I was making 5% of what he got, but in reality if I didn't accept the offer I'd probably have earnt nothing whilst throwing a lot of money at it. Money and time for that matter.
*plenty bitter*
I thought it was a tempting exit strategy, but the deal needs a bit more tweaking when they need to account for the time spend on developing the product.
Your friend probably has some conditions for leasing the royalties (minimum amount of sales and so on). The patent likely still belongs to her or she might have sold the patent for a good amount of money + royalties. This is not what is happening here.
The problem with the proposal here is that, for only 50k (that is essentially going back to himself), the investor might just put it in a drawer and make sure competitors won't put this into the market - basically gatekeeping. Specially taking into consideration that it's not a stablished product/brand that consumers are demanding. The couple runs the risk of the investor never really exploring the product to its full potential and then they wouldn't be making money. They essentially would be giving away the patent and praying he makes this product a priority.
In that case it would be better for the couple to actually sell 100% of the company and pocket some money + take some royalties. That way they at least secure a minimum amount of profit and have a better understanding of how much the investor is actually interested (aka his willingness to actually buy the concept). It's very sketchy that he didn't want to spend any money to get this product and let the couple have 10% to justify not giving them money. Its even more sketchy because he didn't try to fight for the product - it makes me feel that his mindset was like: "sure... for free I might as well have this up my sleeve if I ever need it".
I love Sara so much she actually comes to spend money
😀😀
She didnt even get up to shake hands which was pretty unprofessional.
@@ciaranperry4677 The taping of this episode was done during the peak days of COVID-19 pandemic. It's also the reason why Peter Jones was not in this episode because he was on self quarantine and Theo served as his substitute. I think it was part of the safety protocols for the entrepreneurs not to shake hands with the dragons despite agreeing to a deal.
@@dmr1992 Ok that makes sense, thanks for the info.
@@ciaranperry4677 corona virus
Touker isn't a dragon he is a snake loool
Legit theft. Type Kevin would try on Shark Tank US.
Horrible insulting offer. Definitely a Kevin kind of deal. It suggests a businessman who isn't confident in his abilities and lacks good instincts to undercut someone that much
Totally Agree bro 💯
@@commanderkeen3787 who are you reffering to in your last apragh
dragons are just snakes with legs
Well boys, we gather around for another trash taste raid
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Let's go raid time
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Peter Jones still adds something special to the programme. He brings stability and flair. He was conspicuously absent
@gurpreet daliwell Which show please? I'm curious now. We get different shows in Australia.
@gurpreet daliwell Cheers for the information. We've got one more day of lockdown in Melbourne, Australia (our 4th lockdown) so I'm up for cringe shows to watch. I'll find it. Thankyou.
@@elenawilliams32 binge watching cringe making 😂😂😂
@@elenawilliams32 protest the lockdown lmao
@@robertiordan6867 Nah. I like facts and science.
Sarah is no less sharp than other dragons, but would often show kindness which is unique to her.
Sorry, edited my comment Bilal32155.
"I wonder what Peter thinks" - Me throughout the whole video.
Peter was out because they didn't have a holding company
Please make sure the show is never over produced. Its always being brilliant. Ive watched every episode of every season.
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@@michaelgillman2505 that's it. Keep it how it is. I've being watching this show since it's inception!
Touker: 90%
Other dragons: Dafuq is this
This was ridiculous 🤣
Greedy little turd
It was a decent offer. They would become salaried employees (if they wanted) and get 10%. It's the same as a royalty deal. He basically does the work and they cash the residual cheques. Touker already has an established baby business network and distribution.
He was given them 5k instead of 50K lmao :)) 5 K in our days is peanut money even in East Europe lmao
Touker '' This is Brexit Deal !!! Muahahhaha ''
I like how she thanked Tourer, showing him respect. So many times they forget the other dragons
Touker and Theo in the same room?! I always thought they were the same person.
Came on here to say the same thing! Wondered if anyone else found it impossible to tell them apart?! This clip made my mind boggle.
Slightly disguised racism?
The race card is now in play.
@@ptsteen genuinely interested in how it’s racism? They just look really similar to me. They have very similar faces, features, hair, glasses, style ... even their voices sound similar to me!
@@rousehemingway1006 to me they are as similar as Jenny is to Deborah.
I really like how the other investors look out for the people - if it's a good offer, they say it's a great offer but if there's something shady or greedy, they call it out for what it is lol
Omg her acsent is just beautiful I could listen to her all day long, i love her smile 💕
Irish, Dublin
Touker: "I'll offer you all the money for 90% of the company...10% stays yours"
Entrepreneurs: "Thanks for the offer Touker.... but I don't get out of bed for 10%"
Is that Benjamin Cowen I hear??
This couple are great, and have a great product.
The little baby straightjacket, lol.
@ 4:55 What a brilliant answer! It almost sounded like she anticipated the question and prepared for it.
for once im speechless, and that doesnt happen very often. Touker must have balls of brass to make an offer like that and i think it shows the true side of the man. shocking, absolutely shocking!
Nothing to do with balls. It's being greedy, nothing else.
Jenny: Peter’s visiting me today, so he’s out.
Hahahahahahaha I love outsmarting my baby with stuff like this. Seriously the look on his face when he realized he could roll, crawl away, and ruin my life is priceless 😂😂😂💀💀💀
Touker: I'll offer you £50,000... for myself
Theo the phoetus was really excited to see the baby
Oh shit that was a doll😂
Lol
I hope they have success with this, genuine couple 💑🙏❤
Sometimes the simplest of ideas are the best, well done this couple, I can only see this going from strength to strength.
7:06 is what trash taste listeners came for
Thanks, luv u
Thanks bruv
Anything dealing with kids, Deborah is out.
100 %
She's right too. Imagine having to deal with these new mothers with their 'revolutionary' new ways of looking after a blob with a head
I would be too, baby products are a nightmare
Touker just tried to essentially have them hand over their business to him for essentially him to profit entirely on.
Poor show Touker, really poor show
3:45 Deborah looking extremely worried when Touker shouts out "it smells like fish"
Deborah is like maybe I didn't wash my fanny properly 🤣
Underrated comment 😂 her face
Theo looks like he’s filling in for Peter last minute
Because he kind of was, Peter had to self isolate not much notice with that, although Theo was likely asked if he was willing to stand in if anything like that happened before filming started though.
With the socks and everything 😄
Peter has done something different with his hair, cant quite put my finger on it.
His Theo impression has really improved since that Come Dine With Me episode
He was trying to rob them 😂
Dragon: "This is a bizarre thing. I'm willing to give you all the money, £50k, but I want 90% of the business."
That is bizarre. You want to give them $5k to take their company, then write it off on your taxes. Not bizarre in the sense that it's abnormal, but bizarre in the sense that no common person could do such a thing and get away with it. Thankfully he was called out on that.
"It smells of fish!"
*CUT TO DEBORAH*
Touker: "Look at the smell". Never thought of it that way before
synaesthesia
0:56 imagine just randomly walking into this room unaware of what is happening... 😂
Epstein island
As a parent i can see the $$$ signs if this is promoted correctly and better material, In the UK alone there would be a huge supply from commerical enterprises. As someone who did early child-hood care too this would of saved so much time and effort.
Good luck to them
Let me guess, Connor sent you here
Reads title: Wow! That is clearly clickbait.
Watches video: Actually not that far off what really happened, lol
It's a good job that the others pointing out that Touker would virtually be putting the money back into his own business.
90% is outrageous from Touker
If they agreed, it would've been a huge loss and literally agreeing £50k + 10% (£55k in total) as a valuation of their business!
£55k is also the sum a senior manager would earn at a law firm! And to value a business at that amount is disrespectful on Toukers part!
@@originalunoriginal4055 It's no different than a royalty deal. He takes over the business, and they get residual cheques from the 10%. They also have the option to become salaried employees. You comparing the deal with another job is irrelevant. Touker already has an established baby business network and distribution, so the real money comes in after not before.
@@originalunoriginal4055 Touker have a huge business network and distributions relation, the risk is high for you but if it's become successful and which the chancesis high because well it's touker, you probably get 5 times more in about a year or more than how much income you've planned in that project, plus touker took all the responsibility so it's a total huge passive income
Well, it looks crazy and evil if you didn't knew long about business or who's touker is in the first place,
It's a total fair investment especially if you already have other main business, or a stable business income
Well if i was new and that's my first patent product then i wouldn't take touker offer which is a high risk high reward
Theo is back, amazinggg
Jenny: “so babies can’t get out when being changed? I’ve changed my mind, I’m out”
Decent of her to thank Touker for his offer!
But I actually think he made that ridiculous offer so they'd accept Sarah's. He actually wanted just 20% and go halfsies with Sarah
I see touker has been watching Kevin o’Leary on shark tank😂
RIGHT!?? NO DOUBT!
😀😀😀
please explain for the un-enlightened
@@Thomas-xn6em he’s known for making a lot of deals that involve out right purchasing or getting controlling interest of a company usually with royalties
@@snowrubu Oh alright, thank you very much for the explanation! :)
Touker: I don't want to steal ur "baby"
Also Touker:
Ok seriously? This is the most bizarre non clickbait segment I've seen yet on Dragon's Den
The Dingoes took your baby
I’m starting to think touker doesn’t really want to invest since he asks for so much equity every single time. And he must think if they accept them he’s gonna get a lot of money and if not then whatever
Right there is the moment you understand what kind of a person Touker is.
She said that it's their turd baby.... literally 😆😆😆
that's called an accent, hilarious, i know
That’s an Irish accent for ya!
Without Peter on the show, it becomes a savage free for all.
without peter it is strange !!!
@@hisdivinegraceimperialmaje4178 he had to quarantine, so theo replaced him temporarily
the 1st time I see an episode without Peter Jones!
Once again trash taste brings us to the unknown ends of youtube
Lady pitcher: "thank you for your robbery i mean offer Touker but we will be taking Sara's offer"
This product will sell like crazy if they revamp it, better materials and add more features in it, I think it can be a baby bag too.
It's sad but the dragons are right. That should have taken off and made more sales than they could handle. The pitch should have been for money to get more product because they can't meet demand. That's a great idea and if marketed right, should have every parent wanting one.
Touker: "If you give me £50,000 I'll take 90% of the company" and that would have been a good deal if the rules allowed it.
Is this the first UK ep without Peter Jones?
No narrator either
@@ShopSongs They cut him out in this clip
I think so
Peter was self isolating.
@@callmetheb0ss 🤣🤣🤣
4:55 Proceeds to try to do just that lmao
Man idk why people are so offended by this offer. He's offering to buy their company and give them royalties, what's wrong with that? The product has not taken off like you would hope there are some basic things they haven't done like put it on Amazon which would indicate they are either fatigued from running the business or just not capable. Presumably under his management he would use his connections and distribution to get it selling and give them an immediate return.
Lot of people here clearly don't have a clue what it's like running a small business that's not earning you any real money.
except he doesn't BUY their business, he's literally paying himself the money, it's exactly like :"give me 90% of your company for free and then work for me"
He’s not buying the company. He wants the company for free. That 50k that he’s giving to them is just going into the business that he will own. Not only that they will be the face of the product that they no longer own. The only thing they are getting is a 5% royalty. So the dud is literally saying, give me your company and work for me. I’ll give you a little something if you do good.
@@kevtlee08 but that IS buying the company. He gets the idea, which is apparently the only thing of value they have, and they get royalties from the sale of their idea.
I agree, and many times I've thought entrepreneurs can actually offer this in the first... obviously getting a higher percentage later on
"I think it's a great product and I'm willing to give you all the money, but instead of owning 90% of the company I want 100% of it"
The girl was class there, seemed so investable
Look how they leave the baby on the floor all episode 🤣
It's a doll 🤦🏽♂️
Yes, but is it a real baby???? duh...
Where is Pizza Jones and the narrator?
Peter was self isolating.
At dominoes
That lady needs to cheer up. No excitement. First lesson in sales
Exactly! Hahahaha and she always agrees.
Really? They received an offer, mostly due to her.
Its not dragons den without Mr Jones
Don’t know why this hasn’t been invented before. It is a problem that’s gone on for decades. The woman entrepreneur looks and sounds like she hasn’t slept for months
That's what living without her own product has done to her all these years.
Her business speak for "we'd sell it" was *smooth*
Touker can give then some office space to change their baby if they're in London!😂.
I just came here from the "curb your business" clip, I wanted to know what the hell a random baby was doing on the ground😂😂
Touker: I'll give £5,000 for 90%
Its rubbish but he also offered 5% royalty as well, still rubbish tho.
Everyone acting like they knew what what was going on but it was only Theo that figured out what Tuka’s offer meant
My main concern with this very creative product is that the _only_ option, so far, is lying the baby onto the floor and using your knees as leverage.
We've all used public washrooms, and that visual seems like a nightmare.
If they came up with a similar idea, with the same type of leverage for an elevated changing surface, they'd have a real winner.
That's what I was thinking!
Touka being surprised they didn't choose him was the highlight lolll
The fact that only 1 investment was made in this episode really says it all
When questioned Touker's face reddens "a bit" :D
The lady seems like she's been through 5 pregnancies, has been raising the kids all by herself, has 3 part time jobs so she can pay the bills, single mother, only time she gets some sleep is on the bus to/from work/home! Has a hatchback grey Volvo with a punctured tire, parked on a side road and hasn't been driven for months!
The lady seems exhausted, mentally, emotionally drained; running on reserves!
Pitch: It's a mat that stops a baby from wriggling when you change them and keeps them safe
Duncan: I don't understand the product.
Evan: Duncan doesn't understand the product.
Trash Taste gang where u at?
The product is amazing
Honestly, I would have taken Touker's offer knowing his position and full involvement, which is almost guaranteeing its success and done another invention funded by the 10% share from Touker.
If the money is going to them directly I’d consider it, however they would effectively be giving up the entire business and patent up for £5000 plus a 5% royalty.
@@jonathankupis7313 true, i guess it depends on their financial comfort in the end.
Yes, but 5% royalty has the potential to be huge, and they do NO work for that.
@@angelagbettor3771 he most probably wouldn't have accepted that, these people invent the common sense with the power of their position.
Me too. In terms of how licensing an idea/patent works, this offer was actually a very generous one. And the potential given his domestic and international reach is far bigger than their 3 year projections of 110k profit in 3 years.
I’ve had 4 kids including twins. Not once did I have a problem changing nappies. Hand them their favourite toy and get stuck in.
Touker is a predator. Every offer he makes gives me this vibe that it's to screw the entrepreneur over. I wouldn't trust him if he offered me a bowl of soup. Peter, Deborah and Sara are the best dragons.
Is touker the one whose deals end up being loans instead of actual investments?
Funny how people like watching a program where hardened businessmen fleece innocent hardworking businesspeople
Touker becoming more like Rick of Pawn Stars.
Sara's outfit is phenomenal in this episode.
She is a hot one she is....would love to have a wine and tell stories with her...if only for the accent
The mum is stunning 😊
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Touker: Watch me.
I just find it hilarious how the baby is just lying on the floor through most of it and at the end they just walk out without it
Sara is always fair.