I am amazed by Brother Day. He is such a textured and believable person, so rich in contradictions, flexible yet spiteful, capable of surprising with his depth and dismaying with his reactions. Pretending to have such an effective vision and then killing his political foe, yet genuinely feeling for the fellow pilgrim on the Spiral. Seeing his predecessor murder two diplomatic missions and glass two half planets yet grow up being just as willing to execute a thousand and a half on a whim. He repudiates his ‘brother’ Cleon XIIV, then when this one starts speaking of him in fatherly tones, he goes on to avenge him and his legacy by stressing his role as a father, and later he chooses to protect his putative ‘son’ only to see him be executed by an android. I thought they were setting Cleon XIIV to be the arch-villain, fuelled by self-hatred at his terroristically imposed ‘differences’, so this was a twist I did not anticipate. Finally, later on, when Brother Day starts destroying Cleon I’s transparent coffin I assume it’s to corrupt any DNA it may contain and therefore prevent any fresh DNA from being taken from it… if all of the existing clones are imperfect and the original corpse is corrupted, then there’s no point “decanting a new version of him”.
They found that all the original DNA had already been corrupted long ago, and they were all imperfect clones. So his thought was, whelp...why bother with the whole act thing now.
its just rage i think. Cleon I. coming up with the genetic dynasty completely predetermined his life, it directly led to the current mess of a situation, and then it turns out that Dawn was killed because of not living up to a standard, when none of them, including the original, do. (also because fuck Dusk) he smirks, because he realizes the cruel irony, and then breaks down screaming in rage
The genetic dynasty is a good change from the books.The showrunners wanted to use that as a sign of a rotting empire.But we need more of the empire to show its decline in all aspects.BTW Lee Pace and Jared Harris are the best actors in this series.The others didn't impress me.
I wish they’d just made an original series focusing entirely on these emperors. You could still involve psychohistory by having a Seldon-type figure deliver his warnings in the pilot and keep their reactions the same. But focus the entire series on them, don’t call it Foundation, don’t base it on Trantor, don’t name the psychohistorian Seldon or the robot Demerzel, and above all, don’t waste half of each episode sitting on Terminus watching the grass grow. In short, have confidence in your very intriguing original idea, and don’t pretend to be making a half-assed adaptation of Foundation when anyone who knows anything about the source material can clearly see you’re doing no such thing.
Laura Birn is the best performance. She is perfect at depicting a robot that has mastered the nuances of human behaviour, yet retains her artificial nature. But on an emotional level she captures all of the pathos from the viewer, as her suffering, her maternal instinct, and her sociopathy blend seamlessly to present a tragic figure who struggles with her circumstances in normal ways
@@aperson22222 I personally never expect it to be a faithful adaptation to begin with, it simply won't work very well in TV show form. Any competent showrunner would know they have to altar it, perhaps this amount of alterations is too much, but some alteration would inevitably have to made if they want the show to appeal beyond the people who've read the books.
When you watch Brother Dusk lose it you remember this was the Brother Day that destroyed two planets. I was also oddly satisfied when “current” Brother Day shoved him and sent him flying to remind you that he is now just an old man. The Empire really was my favourite part of the show.
The saddest part is brother dawn was just a silly teenager. So much innocence, and he died because only a few things about him were different. He was such a sweet boy /: All he wanted was to be happy
I love this scene a lot ,Brother Day really really think that Dawn is his son. He becomes something what do we call human, While Dusk is still the ROBOT+Clone.
i think the previous clones who were exactly like the first cleon weren't soul-less or anything like that. it's just that they're all EXACTLY like the first cleon in all respects. basically, all the perfect clones were just a different individual from the current brother day and brother dawn. it's more a matter of being an individual, and that's what the first cleon DID NOT WANT because he wanted to be immortal. the latest brother day is a different individual as it was confirmed in the last episode that his own dna was an altered version of the original. since he isn't like OG cleon, he didn't think of brother day as just another clone but his actual son, and brother day also wasn't like the exact copies and that's why he was actually a lot more like brother day. the alterations weren't accidental. the faction who wanted to destabilize the empire probably wanted the newer clones to think very differently, and it clearly worked. it's not really a matter of being human or not. the OG cleon just happened to be more of an evil human and the latest cleon just a somewhat different kind of evil human.
Lee Pace gave such depth to Brother Day. Watching him perform really makes me feel his character's emotions and struggles. And the episode where he walks the Spiral was maybe the best. Terrence Mann was also outstanding in this scene. However, it would have been a treat to see Lee playing Brother Dusk as well (with the right make-up it would have been possible). I think that would have secured him an Emmy Award. Anyway, I am curious to see more of Terrence's interpretation in the next season as he will probably develop current Brother Day into the new Brother Dusk. The current Brother Day is so complex with so many nuances in his personality, he feels conflicted. I am surprised he didn't have any vision in that cave. The Terminus storyline was really boring and I think the directors wasted too much time of the movie focusing on the everyday life on Terminus. Jarred Harris did a great job, but most of the other actors didn't really convey any authentic feeling. The love story between Salvor and Hugo didn't impress me at all. I think it was because there was no chemistry between the actors and Leah Harvey portrayed a Salvor who has no essence of a woman. Too much on the masculine side that her character loses charisma. I would be interested to see more of her feminine side in the next season and an evolution to her character, because we assume that changing the planet, giving up the love of your life and leaving your family behind must make a significant change inside of a human. But honestly, it is hard for me to understand how and why anyone would leave their loved ones behind, just to find themselves stranded alone on an unknown planet more than 100 years later... Apart from that, too much lingering on the vault, energy field and on the empty scenery of Terminus that it gets boring. The Cleon storyline was the best part.
This makes Dawn's comment earlier about them not having a mother or other relatives that much harsher. Their mother for all intents and purposes is Demerzel and that's why he went to her for protection
Brother Dawn got betrayed by Demerzel in the most brutal way when she could have used the skin touch poison instead… When she saw that Day wasn’t going to let him be executed, her programming kicked in. But her programming also allows her to kill in any fashion so I don’t see why didn’t use the skin touch method.. he would of died peacefully and most likely out of sight from the brothers.
@@aperson22222 i think the three laws apply to her, but she just wanted to get back at brother day for making her kill that monk and because he manipulated the entire salt cult to which she actually is a believer. she did it all in ways that technically follow her algorithm. i don't think she was programmed so that even her emotions and desires were aligned to the empire. having a human side was mostly just so she has a human form and not a cold hunk of metal with no personality.
@@maggyfrog How would that work? If the First Law applied to her she could not have knowingly killed Halima. It would have required some elaborate trickery where she would have done something harmful without realizing it was harmful, and once she did realize it she would have utterly ceased to function. Even realizing that she’d had an opportunity to prevent Halima from suffering and had not taken it would cause irreparable harm to her positronic brain. And wanting anything that would involve a second murder would also be beyond her abilities, utterly alien to her nature. Now she might have been willing to kill Dawn if she had indeed concluded that a clone had no soul after all. That might be interesting. But it’s too late to entertain that possibility, because if the First Law applied to her, no force in the universe could have compelled her to kill Halima.
@@aperson22222 she's a believer of that female trinity cult. in her heart, she's delivering the monk to the mother. otherwise, the monk would have died a far worse death if she didn't euthanize her.
Ohhh I just realized something! The moment Brother Dusk says 'We are Empire, history bends to us,' is the exact moment Demerzel snaps Brother Dawn's neck! So history bends to her, actually, because she is the one who's been there throughout, so SHE is Empire incarnate, not the clones.
@@TriploGoofus A *female* R Daneel Olivaw, who violates the Three Laws of Robotics, especially the First Law? I haven't seen anything of this adaption of Asimov's classic - I just chanced upon this clip - but if this is a sample of what it is like then I am really looking forward to having nothing to do with it.
@@MarsFKA congratulations on your strongly held views of refusing to embrace new things. Revolutionary and radically different writers like Asimov would have *loved* fans like yourself who are incapable of experimenting with change, nor or confronting anything that feels even mildly unpleasant. How very heroic in the classic mold! 🙄 Please, continue avoiding things that cause you discomfort due to unfamiliarity. If you could kindly avoid commenting on it to people who didn't even ask for your totally uneducated and unsolicited opinion, that would also be great. Thanks boo 😘
@@TriploGoofus All of it said by an unimaginative youtuber who cannot write anything without using silly little faces to embellish whatever condescending point she is trying to make. Your use of those silly little faces speaks volumes to me. Please, continue to talk down to anyone with whom you disagree but never lose sight of the fact that you and your...opinions... mean nothing to me - I put my comment in this thread to see if it would stir anything up and you took the bait. That's all from me, youtuber. You can have the last word.
I can’t tell if Demerzel killed Dawn to spite Day and revenge for Halima, or she did it because of her programming. And no, Dusk! History doesn’t bend to you in the slightest. The universe owes you no favours.
@@RetroDaddyPH or to quicken its collapse (for survival of all humanity). Robots in some Azimov books could be very spicy about priorities. Not sure if they will transfer this aspect into the show, but its a possibility.
She killed him because he asked her to. Think about it ... he had to die, that's the rules. He said to her 'don't let THEM kill me' ... and she didn't let THEM kill him.
She had no choice. She is programmed to protect the genetic dynasty above all else. That's why she tears her face apart because she hates herself. Just like she hated killing that spiritual woman. She had no choice.
It’s quite clear at this point she is not a robot as Asimov created them. You can’t even say the Zeroth Law trumps the First, because she very explicitly understood that Halima’s death was not necessary to preserve the dynasty.
Lee Pace it´s the roy batty of season 1 , every scene that he appear, he stole every frame and scene. And for season 2: I cant´wait for Hober Mallow and Bel RIose in season 2. Jon Bernthal or Damian Lewis for Mallow and Daniel Bruhl or Milo Ventimiglia for Riose.
This is such a huge departure from the novels. In them, the problem was that Seldon discovered that it was already too late to the save the Empire. It didn't matter what the emperors did, the bureaucracy, or even R. Daneel Olivaw. There was *nothing* to be done by that point. This is why Seldon's Plan was to do what was necessary to cut the predicted 30,000 year dark ages down to just 1,000. Seldon and Cleon even spoke about democracy, which Seldon supported in principle but acknowledged would be impossible on such a huge scale. Which is why Daneel was running a second plan of his own out of the Empire's and the Foundations' sights.
@@House2017 well, empires are more of something with an expiration date. i don't think it's impossible per se, but that it just has to have a compelling logic as to how an empire can come about in such a scale, and in the show at least, it's got to do with having monopoly on space travel technology, and to me at least, that sounds like a crazy powerful warfare advantage. so it's not like the galactic empire's existence is a massive plot hole or anything. also, in the show, the way that anti-technology sentiment can become the government itself is sort of explained by how isolating societies breeds the worst out of people. heck, on the internet alone, people can't even agree on what's fact or fake. imagine how societies must disagree on the scale of the milky way galaxy. this lack of unity in a galactic scale i think is what really allowed the empire to exist. divide and conquer.
This scene scared me. Take out the death scene and the absurd space setting and you can see this happening elsewhere. How many times have people tried to change yet the other people around you keep stopping you from doing that because they themselves don't want to consider the possibility that they might be wrong.
I *DO* so hope the series is released on DVD, and soon! I would love to watch it, but not enough to pay for another streaming service that has only one or maybe two series I'd want to watch.
If you buy a new iPhone or iPad you can get a whole year for free. That’s what I did. Then I let the subscription lapse. I’m done with this show; I like the emperors but everything else sucks.
@@aperson22222 Not worth the cost of a new iPhone or iPad. My current Android phone works well enough. And no matter how good a deal you get, the price you'd pay for an Apple product will still be much, much more than the price of a DVD set. I can wait.
@@jkcarroll Well no, I wouldn’t recommend buying a new Apple device just for that. If you were going to be buying one anyway, that would be a different story. The DVD release may never come. I can’t say for sure but these streamers are damned proprietary.
@@aperson22222 I have a one year old IPad but didn't know I could watch one year apple tv + for free... Can I still get that? Or does it work in real time?
@@MirkwoodCrow When I got my new phone I had a three month window in which I could activate my free year at any time. If I’d let the three months go by the offer would have expired.
Amen to that. Alas, I think she killed him too. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been in later episodes, because I don't believe he would have let a murder of his son go unpunished.
Demerzel killed Dawn because she knows that change in the dynasty is key to keep the genetic line going which not only goes against her programming, but also her Luminist belief that proclaimed the dynasty to be a soulless abomination. Ironically, the will to change and adapt start the downfall of the dynasty since it is to admit that it has failed as it was intended to be unbreakable - yet Dawns neck snapped without much difficulty.
Some ideas or predictions for FOUNDATION Season 2 Gaal and Salvor on Sinnax will they return to Terminus? Will the empire turn against Terminus! Will the daytime brother go to Terminus and discover the Sanctuary? Will Dermerzel continue to serve The Empire or the betrayal? Answer in Season 2
In the source material the Empire attacks the Foundation two hundred years after Seldon’s trial. By that point it is badly reduced in size and most of the worlds in the periphery are surprised it still exists, having assumed it had been lost to the mists of time. Foundation tech is far superior to imperial, but the imperial military is so massive that the outnumbered Foundation forces keep falling back before it. They’re saved only because by that time the Empire has degenerated to the point where emperors-who are not clones-live in constant fear of being overthrown, and so will have a deep distrust of any military commander who seems to be on the verge of winning enough glory to convert to political capital. Thus, the imperial commander is recalled to Trantor and executed on trumped-up charges of treason before he can complete the conquest, and the Foundation survives. When next we see Trantor, it’s a ruin; the capital was sacked by some nobody warlord and the Empire has fallen. Of course, this show holds its own source material in so little regard that using it to predict what happens next will leave you looking as out of touch as Seldon’s hologram congratulating the people of Terminus on coming through their civil war while the Mule’s fleet bombards them from orbit.
You should. Just set your expectations that it is not loyal to the book. What's guaranteed is that the changes made actually made the plot better, and in my opinion, less boring for TV. You should try finishing it.
Yeah, i asked myself why the nanites didn't heal Dawn. But i remembered that they removed them. But also strange that the Dawn they were transfered to didn't heal either.
The trouble is that Lee Pace is always Lee Pace. I've seen him on other pictures and it's Lee Pace. Great actor? Perhaps in about 30 years when he get's more experiance.
Every scene with Lee Pace is a masterclass of acting.
He is a unique actor! And, at the same time, there is so little demand in the cinema! So to be afraid of the influence of his talent on the minds!
He is really good + he is soooo handsome!
@@brocken_errors4186 So what??
He's Juilliard trained.
Every show and movie he's been in is a masterclass of acting. Halt and Catch Fire is another great example. I highly recommend that show.
I am amazed by Brother Day. He is such a textured and believable person, so rich in contradictions, flexible yet spiteful, capable of surprising with his depth and dismaying with his reactions. Pretending to have such an effective vision and then killing his political foe, yet genuinely feeling for the fellow pilgrim on the Spiral. Seeing his predecessor murder two diplomatic missions and glass two half planets yet grow up being just as willing to execute a thousand and a half on a whim. He repudiates his ‘brother’ Cleon XIIV, then when this one starts speaking of him in fatherly tones, he goes on to avenge him and his legacy by stressing his role as a father, and later he chooses to protect his putative ‘son’ only to see him be executed by an android. I thought they were setting Cleon XIIV to be the arch-villain, fuelled by self-hatred at his terroristically imposed ‘differences’, so this was a twist I did not anticipate. Finally, later on, when Brother Day starts destroying Cleon I’s transparent coffin I assume it’s to corrupt any DNA it may contain and therefore prevent any fresh DNA from being taken from it… if all of the existing clones are imperfect and the original corpse is corrupted, then there’s no point “decanting a new version of him”.
They found that all the original DNA had already been corrupted long ago, and they were all imperfect clones. So his thought was, whelp...why bother with the whole act thing now.
its just rage i think. Cleon I. coming up with the genetic dynasty completely predetermined his life, it directly led to the current mess of a situation, and then it turns out that Dawn was killed because of not living up to a standard, when none of them, including the original, do. (also because fuck Dusk)
he smirks, because he realizes the cruel irony, and then breaks down screaming in rage
@@ConstrictorDevlin That could be it as well.
@@ConstrictorDevlin the only way to escape evil, is to be where it is, and go where it isn’t afterwards.
XIIV - this isn't how you write it. X - 10, XI - 11, XII - 12, XIII - 13, XIV -14, XV - 15.
The genetic dynasty is a good change from the books.The showrunners wanted to use that as a sign of a rotting empire.But we need more of the empire to show its decline in all aspects.BTW Lee Pace and Jared Harris are the best actors in this series.The others didn't impress me.
agreed about the Cleon saga, however the Terminus part of this series showed another type of decline
I wish they’d just made an original series focusing entirely on these emperors. You could still involve psychohistory by having a Seldon-type figure deliver his warnings in the pilot and keep their reactions the same. But focus the entire series on them, don’t call it Foundation, don’t base it on Trantor, don’t name the psychohistorian Seldon or the robot Demerzel, and above all, don’t waste half of each episode sitting on Terminus watching the grass grow. In short, have confidence in your very intriguing original idea, and don’t pretend to be making a half-assed adaptation of Foundation when anyone who knows anything about the source material can clearly see you’re doing no such thing.
Laura Birn is the best performance. She is perfect at depicting a robot that has mastered the nuances of human behaviour, yet retains her artificial nature. But on an emotional level she captures all of the pathos from the viewer, as her suffering, her maternal instinct, and her sociopathy blend seamlessly to present a tragic figure who struggles with her circumstances in normal ways
@@aperson22222 I personally never expect it to be a faithful adaptation to begin with, it simply won't work very well in TV show form. Any competent showrunner would know they have to altar it, perhaps this amount of alterations is too much, but some alteration would inevitably have to made if they want the show to appeal beyond the people who've read the books.
@@None38389 Well I did calibrate my suggestion to that exact mentality.
When you watch Brother Dusk lose it you remember this was the Brother Day that destroyed two planets. I was also oddly satisfied when “current” Brother Day shoved him and sent him flying to remind you that he is now just an old man. The Empire really was my favourite part of the show.
The saddest part is brother dawn was just a silly teenager. So much innocence, and he died because only a few things about him were different. He was such a sweet boy /: All he wanted was to be happy
I love this scene a lot ,Brother Day really really think that Dawn is his son.
He becomes something what do we call human, While Dusk is still the ROBOT+Clone.
i think the previous clones who were exactly like the first cleon weren't soul-less or anything like that. it's just that they're all EXACTLY like the first cleon in all respects. basically, all the perfect clones were just a different individual from the current brother day and brother dawn. it's more a matter of being an individual, and that's what the first cleon DID NOT WANT because he wanted to be immortal. the latest brother day is a different individual as it was confirmed in the last episode that his own dna was an altered version of the original. since he isn't like OG cleon, he didn't think of brother day as just another clone but his actual son, and brother day also wasn't like the exact copies and that's why he was actually a lot more like brother day. the alterations weren't accidental. the faction who wanted to destabilize the empire probably wanted the newer clones to think very differently, and it clearly worked. it's not really a matter of being human or not. the OG cleon just happened to be more of an evil human and the latest cleon just a somewhat different kind of evil human.
Lee Pace gave such depth to Brother Day. Watching him perform really makes me feel his character's emotions and struggles. And the episode where he walks the Spiral was maybe the best. Terrence Mann was also outstanding in this scene. However, it would have been a treat to see Lee playing Brother Dusk as well (with the right make-up it would have been possible). I think that would have secured him an Emmy Award. Anyway, I am curious to see more of Terrence's interpretation in the next season as he will probably develop current Brother Day into the new Brother Dusk. The current Brother Day is so complex with so many nuances in his personality, he feels conflicted. I am surprised he didn't have any vision in that cave.
The Terminus storyline was really boring and I think the directors wasted too much time of the movie focusing on the everyday life on Terminus. Jarred Harris did a great job, but most of the other actors didn't really convey any authentic feeling. The love story between Salvor and Hugo didn't impress me at all. I think it was because there was no chemistry between the actors and Leah Harvey portrayed a Salvor who has no essence of a woman. Too much on the masculine side that her character loses charisma. I would be interested to see more of her feminine side in the next season and an evolution to her character, because we assume that changing the planet, giving up the love of your life and leaving your family behind must make a significant change inside of a human. But honestly, it is hard for me to understand how and why anyone would leave their loved ones behind, just to find themselves stranded alone on an unknown planet more than 100 years later... Apart from that, too much lingering on the vault, energy field and on the empty scenery of Terminus that it gets boring. The Cleon storyline was the best part.
I thought the same thing. Too butch lol
This makes Dawn's comment earlier about them not having a mother or other relatives that much harsher. Their mother for all intents and purposes is Demerzel and that's why he went to her for protection
Brother Dawn got betrayed by Demerzel in the most brutal way when she could have used the skin touch poison instead… When she saw that Day wasn’t going to let him be executed, her programming kicked in. But her programming also allows her to kill in any fashion so I don’t see why didn’t use the skin touch method.. he would of died peacefully and most likely out of sight from the brothers.
@@eden20111 Yeah, I’m starting to suspect the Three Laws don’t bind her.
@@aperson22222
i think the three laws apply to her, but she just wanted to get back at brother day for making her kill that monk and because he manipulated the entire salt cult to which she actually is a believer. she did it all in ways that technically follow her algorithm. i don't think she was programmed so that even her emotions and desires were aligned to the empire. having a human side was mostly just so she has a human form and not a cold hunk of metal with no personality.
@@maggyfrog How would that work? If the First Law applied to her she could not have knowingly killed Halima. It would have required some elaborate trickery where she would have done something harmful without realizing it was harmful, and once she did realize it she would have utterly ceased to function. Even realizing that she’d had an opportunity to prevent Halima from suffering and had not taken it would cause irreparable harm to her positronic brain. And wanting anything that would involve a second murder would also be beyond her abilities, utterly alien to her nature.
Now she might have been willing to kill Dawn if she had indeed concluded that a clone had no soul after all. That might be interesting. But it’s too late to entertain that possibility, because if the First Law applied to her, no force in the universe could have compelled her to kill Halima.
@@aperson22222
she's a believer of that female trinity cult. in her heart, she's delivering the monk to the mother. otherwise, the monk would have died a far worse death if she didn't euthanize her.
"We are Empire... history bends to us..." 'snap,' wow... that got dark really fast.
Ohhh I just realized something! The moment Brother Dusk says 'We are Empire, history bends to us,' is the exact moment Demerzel snaps Brother Dawn's neck! So history bends to her, actually, because she is the one who's been there throughout, so SHE is Empire incarnate, not the clones.
its a robot right
@@G_Signer yup, possibly daneel olivaw
@@TriploGoofus A *female* R Daneel Olivaw, who violates the Three Laws of Robotics, especially the First Law?
I haven't seen anything of this adaption of Asimov's classic - I just chanced upon this clip - but if this is a sample of what it is like then I am really looking forward to having nothing to do with it.
@@MarsFKA congratulations on your strongly held views of refusing to embrace new things.
Revolutionary and radically different writers like Asimov would have *loved* fans like yourself who are incapable of experimenting with change, nor or confronting anything that feels even mildly unpleasant. How very heroic in the classic mold! 🙄
Please, continue avoiding things that cause you discomfort due to unfamiliarity. If you could kindly avoid commenting on it to people who didn't even ask for your totally uneducated and unsolicited opinion, that would also be great. Thanks boo 😘
@@TriploGoofus All of it said by an unimaginative youtuber who cannot write anything without using silly little faces to embellish whatever condescending point she is trying to make. Your use of those silly little faces speaks volumes to me.
Please, continue to talk down to anyone with whom you disagree but never lose sight of the fact that you and your...opinions... mean nothing to me - I put my comment in this thread to see if it would stir anything up and you took the bait.
That's all from me, youtuber. You can have the last word.
I can’t tell if Demerzel killed Dawn to spite Day and revenge for Halima, or she did it because of her programming.
And no, Dusk! History doesn’t bend to you in the slightest. The universe owes you no favours.
In Day's perspective, it might be to spite him. In Demerzel's perspective, it is to save the empire, I guess.
@@RetroDaddyPH or to quicken its collapse (for survival of all humanity).
Robots in some Azimov books could be very spicy about priorities. Not sure if they will transfer this aspect into the show, but its a possibility.
She killed him because he asked her to. Think about it ... he had to die, that's the rules. He said to her 'don't let THEM kill me' ... and she didn't let THEM kill him.
She had no choice. She is programmed to protect the genetic dynasty above all else. That's why she tears her face apart because she hates herself. Just like she hated killing that spiritual woman. She had no choice.
It’s quite clear at this point she is not a robot as Asimov created them. You can’t even say the Zeroth Law trumps the First, because she very explicitly understood that Halima’s death was not necessary to preserve the dynasty.
Ronan The Accuser
WE ARE EMPIRE!!!!!!
The lesson here is never let a synthetic hug you.
"I prefer the term artificial person myself." - Bishop, Aliens
Lee pace honestly carries this series. He does such a good job as day, great to watch.
Lee Pace it´s the roy batty of season 1 , every scene that he appear, he stole every frame and scene.
And for season 2:
I cant´wait for Hober Mallow and Bel RIose in season 2.
Jon Bernthal or Damian Lewis for Mallow and Daniel Bruhl or Milo Ventimiglia for Riose.
The casting of Hober and the General have been announced!
Dimitri Leonidas as Hober Mallow
Ben Daniels as General Bel Riose
Don't worry. They'll screw those wonderful characters up just as badly or worse than the Foundation novels so far
This is such a huge departure from the novels. In them, the problem was that Seldon discovered that it was already too late to the save the Empire. It didn't matter what the emperors did, the bureaucracy, or even R. Daneel Olivaw. There was *nothing* to be done by that point. This is why Seldon's Plan was to do what was necessary to cut the predicted 30,000 year dark ages down to just 1,000. Seldon and Cleon even spoke about democracy, which Seldon supported in principle but acknowledged would be impossible on such a huge scale. Which is why Daneel was running a second plan of his own out of the Empire's and the Foundations' sights.
Pretty much everything would be “impossible” on such a huge scale. Including Empires.
@@House2017
well, empires are more of something with an expiration date. i don't think it's impossible per se, but that it just has to have a compelling logic as to how an empire can come about in such a scale, and in the show at least, it's got to do with having monopoly on space travel technology, and to me at least, that sounds like a crazy powerful warfare advantage. so it's not like the galactic empire's existence is a massive plot hole or anything. also, in the show, the way that anti-technology sentiment can become the government itself is sort of explained by how isolating societies breeds the worst out of people. heck, on the internet alone, people can't even agree on what's fact or fake. imagine how societies must disagree on the scale of the milky way galaxy. this lack of unity in a galactic scale i think is what really allowed the empire to exist. divide and conquer.
This scene scared me. Take out the death scene and the absurd space setting and you can see this happening elsewhere. How many times have people tried to change yet the other people around you keep stopping you from doing that because they themselves don't want to consider the possibility that they might be wrong.
"WE ARE EMPIRE. FUCK EVERYBODY WHO AIN'T US BRO."
I *DO* so hope the series is released on DVD, and soon! I would love to watch it, but not enough to pay for another streaming service that has only one or maybe two series I'd want to watch.
If you buy a new iPhone or iPad you can get a whole year for free. That’s what I did. Then I let the subscription lapse. I’m done with this show; I like the emperors but everything else sucks.
@@aperson22222 Not worth the cost of a new iPhone or iPad. My current Android phone works well enough. And no matter how good a deal you get, the price you'd pay for an Apple product will still be much, much more than the price of a DVD set. I can wait.
@@jkcarroll Well no, I wouldn’t recommend buying a new Apple device just for that. If you were going to be buying one anyway, that would be a different story.
The DVD release may never come. I can’t say for sure but these streamers are damned proprietary.
@@aperson22222 I have a one year old IPad but didn't know I could watch one year apple tv + for free... Can I still get that? Or does it work in real time?
@@MirkwoodCrow When I got my new phone I had a three month window in which I could activate my free year at any time. If I’d let the three months go by the offer would have expired.
If i were Day, id have Demerzel decommissioned. Quietly.
Amen to that. Alas, I think she killed him too. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been in later episodes, because I don't believe he would have let a murder of his son go unpunished.
Demerzel killed Dawn because she knows that change in the dynasty is key to keep the genetic line going which not only goes against her programming, but also her Luminist belief that proclaimed the dynasty to be a soulless abomination. Ironically, the will to change and adapt start the downfall of the dynasty since it is to admit that it has failed as it was intended to be unbreakable - yet Dawns neck snapped without much difficulty.
I was also wondering. Did anyone else think the android lady killed Dawn out of spite because she knew Day's story of having a vision was false?
The most powerful man in the galaxy could not do what he wished.
This is when you know the Empire will fall.
This conflict
Is not over if the seat of power is divided into two maybe three holy mother of olurun.
I was shook when Demerzel killed brother Dawn; what a scene. I too wondered if she did it out of spite.
shaken
I think spite is a part of it. The other part is that Dawn told her not to let THEM kill him and... welp, she didn't let them kill him.
To be honest, I can hardly wait to see what the Mule story arc will be like.
Maybe Dawn had a son or daughter with Azura. It won't replace him of course, I just wonder.
Even if he does that baby wont see the light of day
Some ideas or predictions for FOUNDATION Season 2
Gaal and Salvor on Sinnax will they return to Terminus?
Will the empire turn against Terminus! Will the daytime brother go to Terminus and discover the Sanctuary?
Will Dermerzel continue to serve The Empire or the betrayal?
Answer in Season 2
In the source material the Empire attacks the Foundation two hundred years after Seldon’s trial. By that point it is badly reduced in size and most of the worlds in the periphery are surprised it still exists, having assumed it had been lost to the mists of time. Foundation tech is far superior to imperial, but the imperial military is so massive that the outnumbered Foundation forces keep falling back before it. They’re saved only because by that time the Empire has degenerated to the point where emperors-who are not clones-live in constant fear of being overthrown, and so will have a deep distrust of any military commander who seems to be on the verge of winning enough glory to convert to political capital. Thus, the imperial commander is recalled to Trantor and executed on trumped-up charges of treason before he can complete the conquest, and the Foundation survives. When next we see Trantor, it’s a ruin; the capital was sacked by some nobody warlord and the Empire has fallen.
Of course, this show holds its own source material in so little regard that using it to predict what happens next will leave you looking as out of touch as Seldon’s hologram congratulating the people of Terminus on coming through their civil war while the Mule’s fleet bombards them from orbit.
I never finished the first show because it's so not Foundation. Not at all.
You should. Just set your expectations that it is not loyal to the book. What's guaranteed is that the changes made actually made the plot better, and in my opinion, less boring for TV. You should try finishing it.
An Asimov robot breaking the Robotic Laws? LOL
Thank God I only came here to admire Lee Pace.
during Foundation there is a fourth law of robotics. the three laws only are in play earlier in the timeline.
I really recommend watching the second season. You will get your answers here.
they should not be able to hit eachother. They have protective shield, so a huge mistake from the showrunners.
It doesn’t seem unreasonable to me that the auras would be programmed in such a way to allow the Cleons to touch each other.
Cleons were allowed to touch each other I think
Its possible the shield detects there DNA so they can touch themselves? The clones being clones... let them touch eachother?
Yeah, i asked myself why the nanites didn't heal Dawn. But i remembered that they removed them. But also strange that the Dawn they were transfered to didn't heal either.
The trouble is that Lee Pace is always Lee Pace. I've seen him on other pictures and it's Lee Pace. Great actor? Perhaps in about 30 years when he get's more experiance.