Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PS5: Fidelity vs Performance Mode Comparison - Which Mode Works Best?
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Marvel's Spider-Man 2 has finally arrived, with Insomniac Games pushing its technology to the next level. Once again, Fidelity and Performance Modes are on offer, but which works best for you and what are the actual differences beyond the basic frame-rate numbers? Fidelity 30fps/40fps, Performance 60fps and all VRR modes are covered in this detailed breakdown.
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00:00 Overview
00:57 Performance mode and fidelity mode visual differences
05:20 Spider-Man Remastered settings comparisons
06:40 Image quality and resolution
08:33 Performance
11:27 Analysis and conclusion - Ігри
I nearly always opt for a higher framerate, but the 40fps uncapped mode is so good in this game. The raytracing looks awesome, resolution is crisp, and it's fluid enough for me to really enjoy it. I wish more games went this route.
I haven’t started it yet because I was too damn tired last night after work, but I will remember to choose this mode when I jump in later today :)
I'm exact same, couldn't believe how good it looked/felt on fidelity. Playing on performance does look that little bit smoother, but not enough to push me to that mode
Me too. It feels miles ahead of 30fps. And only slightly worse than 60. It looks sooo good.
I’m the same as you allways do the same but that 40 is nice
I feel like you both know your frames and games ❤ you’ve made me switch back to fidelity 😂 because I thought the exact same thing
We need more games supporting 40fps mode, its definitely a lot better than 30fps , from 30 to 40 its noticeable, its different from 60 to 80 with VRR.
It is definitely the sweet spot all this 4k 60 on console seems like a struggle for them to hit so they might as well shoot for 40 with the highest res possible.
I really enjoy 40fps and I think FF16 specifically would’ve benefited from having an 40fps mode lmao
And here's me that can't tell the difference between 30 and 60. Which I'm glad about.
@@ian_sear Either you are trolling or you need your eyes checked, fast.
We need a PS5 Pro so we can have smooth 60 FPS + high visual quality at the same time.
Absolutely love the 40fps mode. Haven’t had an issue with it. It’s sooooo good. Every game should have this mode available
Me too bro! 40 Uncapped 120 is the way to go!
@@cameronlittleton8240 So what's the best experience with the visual and steady good frames? Put Fidelity mode then VRR uncapped and then 120 hz enabled?
40 FPS in 2023? its a very big shame!! I need min 120 FPS at 120Hz in 2023! so I go at least with a 4090!
@@cameronlittleton8240i love that too😊
@@SerandiBut you don't have Spider Man 2 go play cs2
One thing I learned while playing this game is that the difference between 30 and 40fps is way more significant to my eye than I ever anticipated.
Absolutely loving the 40fps mode.
The fidelity 120 uncapped VRR is a god send. I wish this option was standard for every console game!
Is it possible to turn all that on?
@@DrezzyEFTP It's just Fidelity mode with an uncapped frame rate. I prefer a consistent framerate
It's actually been debunked that it can hit 120 FPS. There were other videos that pointed out digital foundries mistake. Even uncapped it does not go above 60
@@gatewayrealtor664 that video itself was debunked.
@@gatewayrealtor664 really sixty is the limit ?
Fidelity mode is a MUST for me on this game, the visuals are unbelievable, in performance the characters look kinda playdough like, the slight drop in frame rate is noticeable but its not gonna ruin the game AT ALL all the animations are done so well that it really doesn’t effect it to bad
Agreed. In fidelity the game looks so cinematic
I've been playing in Fidelity as well. For gameplay I like performance mode most of the time but cutscenes just don't look good to me in higher framerates. It reminds me of soap opera effect from smoothing motion for movies/TV shows.
Fedility mode at the 40fps on my c2 Oled is fantastic!
You recommend it?
❤
Do you think I should get rid of my 32inch 4k monitor for a LG C2/C3? I honestly miss having a TV.
Same on my CX
Do you have vrr uncapped or smooth
I dropped Spider-Man 2 sadly because of the image quality in performance mode.
I know ray tracing is the "big thing" in gaming and every developer wants to opt for it but I am missing the normal performance mode without RT from the other two Spider-Man games.
I was shocked how blurry the image looks in Spider-Man 2 performance mode. I tried all of the graphic settings and switched my TV settings all the time as I thought something must be broken but no: it actually is the game itself.
I even reinstalled Spider-Man Remastered and checked there and I've been confirmed that the image quality/resolution is way better here in performance mode compared the SP2 which is very sad.
Spider-Man 2 performance mode comes with a blurry image resolution, bad colors, artifacts and it even uses dithering/ghosting instead of normal transparent effects. All of this worked better in the previous games. I hope Insomniac will patch the old performance mode without Ray Tracing as additional possibility. I don't need Ray Tracing if it is impactng so many other key components. Am I the only one who noticed that as I only hear praise about the technical aspect of the game?
Thats you lost, o and buy some pair of glases, the game is a stunner.....
I noticed the same thing unfortunately, coming off of miles morales the graphics difference was big. We need a 60fps non ray traycing mode
@@Rene-jv7rfNo your standards are just probably dirt low you wouldnt see it even if it was enciricled with a sharpee
fr, i am loving the game but the way that performance mode looks honestly got me changing and changing between fidelity and performance, i find stupid that they did choose rt over 4k, the game loses so much in performance it’s honestly sad, cause it looks unbelievable in fidelity
@@lautsss2333 exactly, the Fidelity mode is just to clunky for me as I am missing the "smoothness" from the first two games (especially for this kind of game with great swinging animations etc)...
Either they patch the old Performance mode back in or I have to get a VRR screen to at least get that 40 FPS 😅
I play Fidelity mode with vrr uncapped and 120fps on my C2 55 inch. The game looks gorgeous and so smooth. Didn’t expect that
12:00 seeing peter's warped reflection in the balloons is such a cool use of rt for me. Even on performance mode it looks so amazing and makes me wish this gen had a bit more rt horsepower so stuff like this could become more of a standard!
Dude those are the best looking balloons I've ever seen in a video game 😂😂😂
@joelmatchett6599 ikr. I gawked and showed my girlfriend and even she was amazed.
the pro will be coming out next year probably and then it probably will become the standard...wouldn't surprise me if they gave Spiderman 2 an upgrade for the new system as well kind of like they did with Spiderman remastered for ps4 pro
Been playing at 40fps, 120Hz and VRR at smoothed and it's looked and played incredibly well. Genuinely felt like 60fps and had to do a double check with my settings on multiple occasions.
If you have a 120Hz VRR TV or Monitor, this game is best played at Fidelity 120Hz mode with the unlocked frame rate. While it does drop sometimes, for the most part my monitor is reporting upwards of 50fps when traversing the city and I’ve seen it report nearly 70fps during some interior scenes. I normally choose to sacrifice RT in games for 60fps, but I’m so impressed how well fidelity runs that I’m sticking with it for now.
Yeah im going from 70s to 120 alot when swing through town
What does perf uncapped give ? In fps?
@@IwinMahWay from 60 to 80 fps
I prefer performance 120hz smoothed vrr
@@youngaspiperformance mode takes away from the HDR experience, the loss of picture quality is not worth it, by far the worst performance mode out of the last three spiderman games.
Fidelity 120 uncapped is really amazing. One of the very few times I selected fidelity against performance in games. The visuals are amazing and the 40-60 fps is pretty smooth in general.
thing is the PS5's VRR doesn't go below 48Hz, so anything below that is gonna look juddery
@@casey_sux not sure where you get this info but still. 0 tearing or weird looking images.
No VRR goes below 48fps
@@casey_suxNot entirely true. Devs can implement LFC on a per game basis.
Devs can implement Low Framerate Compensation by themselves. They did it with Ratchet and Clank and first Spider Man... so 40 fps vrr actually works. @@casey_sux
Also note that when you are in fidelity mode 120hz VRR cap 40 FPS the video output switches to YUV (slight difference in colorimetry) and no longer to RGB because of the flow rate of HDMI which is currently incapable of supporting 4K 120hz in RGB
But if you play without limit, use the RGB range?
Excellent analysis, keep up the good work! Did you changed your voice for a higher pitch one? I preferred the other one
Fidelity mode is clearly how the games is supposed to be experienced. Fidelity + 40fps uncapped mode is the way to go, it's awesome.
Lol I'm not playing in 30fps. I got a 60hz tv.
@@crazykenbeiyou also have 4k tv which you’ll not use in favor of fps and will experience lesser crowd in the city
@@Dad_Life13 what can I say I don't like people so the less the better 😆
@@crazykenbeiSpoken like a true gamer/introvert, I don't like people too AHAHAHA
30 fps is never a better option than 60 fps, especially in a fast paced game like this. 30 fps is unplayable on an OLED.
Performance all the way for me, it really isn't noticeable while playing since everything is moving fast most of the time, only in the forced moments where you have to sneak, walk and talk!
Yeah the blurriness of performance mode was bothering the hell out of me personally..
Performance mode doesn't cut it for me, the game looks blurry on a big screen. I wish they'd include a performance mode with no raytracing and better resolution like in previous games.
Though I have to say the Fidelity mode at 40 fps + uncapped VRR is amazing. Strikes a great balance of image quality & fluidity.
Yeah, I'm really hoping they add a standard performance mode in a future patch. It's how I played 1 and Miles Morales and it was perfect for me, I don't like the hit to crowd density that has to happen for nicer reflections and shit
That not true, Im played the game in a huge tv (75”) and zero blurry and I have a good eye for that.
Oc IQ in quality is better.
I found out that if you Use the 120hz mode, the image is limited to YCBCR422 color display ( on a 4k display). So if you use a 120Hz display with VRR SMOOTHED option, i suggest you disable the 120Hz mode to have full RGB 12b Color.
BUT keep in mind you have a bit more latency.
The only way to enjoy fidelity mode is to turn on 120hz uncapped, the visual downgrade in performance mode is simply not worth it.
The difference between full RGB 12b and 8bit is barely noticeable.
What I find to be the most impressive feat coming out of insomniac is there ability to drop these technical masterpieces and be able to do so one after the other in what seems like a very short amount of development time. I don’t know what they got going on in that studio, but it seems like the entire industry could learn from them.
Of course this game had a short development time. 😂 They literally have made 3 games that are based in the same location. They obviously used assets from the first 2 games. Essentially, only had to work on the “new” sections of New York. 3/4 of the game was copy and pasted.
That’s sooo impressive 🥱🙄😲
@@WellTraveledGamer you sure know a lot about engine upgrades, asset creation and programing om general /s
maybe it has something to do with the fact, that they´re reusing the same city assets for the 3rd time now..
@fedeterra42 and so do you, clearly!
Sony fanboys after insomniac releases the same game with slightly better graphics for the 3rd year in a row, aka the call of duty model: "wow! How do they do it?"
I am playing in Fidelity mode with VRR uncapped and I feel like I’m getting the best of both worlds. The frame rate is 60 most of the time and 40 in this game looks great. I don’t want to miss any RT goodness, and there is plenty on display in this game.
After I beat the story I will go to full performance mode and see what super 60fps looks like.
I'm playing in performance mode when doing open world activities and switching to fidelity for story missions.
The 60 fps is a must during fights and open world travel, you are crazy to play this in 30-40 fps just to watch some cleaner reflections.
Insomniac are god tier now!
Wow, I’ve always played on performance mode but fidelity uncapped is amazing. Looks so good.
Uncapped is only possible if you have a VRR tv?
@@qwerttzizzi, a 120hz TV or monitor is required to play Fidelity Mode at 40 FPS.
@@thedoomslayer108_YT ok sad
@@thedoomslayer108_YTI have a 120hz monitor, it lets me change vrr in game but not in ps5 settings. Is this okay?
In the heat of gameplay I can hardly notice a downgrade for performance mode and it's so dang smooth. What a wonderfully optimized game.
I deff can tell the difference
@@Platerpus7From ~2.5m away from a 65 inch 4k tv, I really don't see a huge difference graphically, but the fidelity mode has a lot more people and cars on the streets, it is packed compared to the performance mode.
I'm still on performance because 30fps makes me feel like I haven't upgraded from my PS4 pro.
The 120hz Fidelity mode with VRR enabled on my LG C1 is super impressive. It gives the impression of over 40 fps for sure and I'm curious if that is what I'm actually seeing.
You can check fps push the green button on your remote 8x fast
@@paulgal holy crap! Confirmed. That's awesome. Thank you!
VRR doesn't work under 48fps
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Not true with the C1.
@@bnutz3k no problem .
so impressive, outstanding work!
I've been waiting for this breakdown, DF always deliveres
I tried both modes myself and I don't like the 60fps mode, it sacrifices too much of the image quality. This isn't really noticeable on a 1080p display, but anything above that it really stands out. If, like me, you're on a large 4k HDR tv then the difference is quite stark. What I might do is try the performance mode once I've finished the main story quests, but for the time being I'll put up with the fidelity mode because it looks absolutely stunning.
Really disappointing that the performance mode is visually worse than Spiderman Remastered's performance RT.
900p on a next gen exclusive is pretty poor. Wonder if this is an indication of developers focusing more on 30 fps modes for graphical fidelity and shoehorning in low quality 60fps modes; after a promising couple of years of solid 60fps options on PS5.
Hopefully we get a performance RT option again but still a let down for release customers.
@@callumeaton5451 My thoughts were the same. I was extremely disappointed at how bad the performance mode looks on my 4K HDR 55inch TV when compared to the fidelity mode, which is quite amazing. Though, I can't handle 30fps for longer periods, so I had to go back to 60fps. One thing that I observed was, in the later half of the game it looks much better, it doesn't make sense but that's what's actually happening. I've played around 12-13 hours and the first 4 hours were horrible (visual wise). And I was so disappointed that the game looks worse than the 2018 remastered PS5 version. Maybe insomniac can notice that and fix it or give us an option of performance RT like the remastered version.
@@callumeaton5451 You wouldn't even be able to notice any of this if you hadn't watched a video full of stills and slow motion blow ups of tiny sections of a window in a game where the you're fighting, flying and swinging at 90 mph most of the time.
And as someone who just replayed Spiderman Remastered on performance RT in prep for this, if you think it somehow "looks worse" than Spiderman 2 you're one of internet comment bros talking about something they've never experienced like some phony.
This game moves faster and puts more huge incredible graphical moments on screen than the first Spiderman ever came close to doing. If the footage of that city-sized fight with Sandman didn't make that point in your brain and all you can focus on instead of stuff like that is "that side window of those cars have slightly lower rez reflections if stand still and stare intensely at it and a side by side, Well, I think your priorities are askew
40FPS Vrr is the best way to play imo. Good quality and good fps.
Thank you for this info, I have the same problem I play on a 4k hdr large tv as well I excepted the game to be stunning, but I got abit disappointed by the graphics, but I still couldn’t figure out why devices with lower resolutions give out better performances for graphics than my tv, could u please give a solution, can i turn down the resolution settings from 4k to 1440p? I felt Spider-Man miles morales had better performance settings than spider man 2
Funny how out of all the amazing tech and visuals the one thing that really blew me away was some suits have a cape and the soft body physics on the capes are next level and make me want a Batman game from these guys : D
To be fair Rocksteady already nailed cape physics and that was back in 2015
@@irecordwithaphone1856 oh yeah i remember those batman games but i had to beat the first or second with the batman beyond suit, those capes looked so silly i couldnt do it : P
@@irecordwithaphone1856and smoke physics were godly. Only second to flight sim 2020
A Superman game made by insomniac would be next level
looks like ps4 game and bugy game the combat is weak in this game no thanks batman way better @@krono5el
Great video, Oliver. One nit-pick is your view that RT is reduced overall in perf-mode in SM2 vs SMR. We need to remember that the quality of the RT itself ( where both are matched up ) is significantly better and water retains RT which didn't exist in the remaster at all so it evens itself out.
Any reason why the performance mode is only reconstructed to 1440p output and not 4K?
Is there a higher minimum native resolution required for 4K reconstruction with their Temporal injection compared to other methods like fsr2/dlss etc which can be reconstructed from 1080p or even lower to 4K ?
At least fsr2, even if its nowhere close to native rendering, 1080p base to 4K output still looks better than 1080p to 1440p output when displaying to a 4K TV.
Great overview. Personally I can’t imagine creeping around in 30fps trying to spot RT reflections in door knobs, I’ll take 60 and swing wildly through the city all day. Love to see the options though!
Definitely agree that the game is better at 60fps however there's more to the fidelity mode than better Ray tracing. You will also get a higher pedestrian and traffic density as well as higher quality hair for characters. But if you don't have a 120hz TV 60fps is the way to go.
Typical.
💯👌 To each their own….. but I can’t do performance mode. Dead Space, Forbidden West and now Spider-Man 2 in Performance mode looks like a cartoon, + low population, low traffic, jaggy hair, low res ray tracing. Low shadows, reduce motion blur, Low quality visual effects just to make the game run smoother.
Running in Perf mode makes SpiderMan 2 look like a ps4 game. Just with really fast loading.
But I get it, most gamers don’t care about visual effects now days. All they care about is framerate no matter what. I can understand that for multiplayer games, but for single player games, especially relatively easy, single player games, I need 4K Ultra. Just my preference tho.
100% agreed that 60fps is much superior. I don't know what's happening with 40fps craze, feels like some gaming enthusiasts are under collective insanity. One day they woke up and decided "ahh you know what, i want to go back to choppy low fps".
@@ryanh.739dawg in all of the shots in this video the traffic density of performance mode is EXACTLY EQUAL to fidelity, there’s only a few shots that show lower pedestrian density 😂
I've been playing the game with 4K - 120Hz using Fidelity VRR 40fps Smoothed. The uncapped seems like it would be great, but I'm not quite sure how much of the resolution drops using it.
Me exactly the same. I didn't find the answer to this question in the video above. I even wrote a query to the creators. They don't recommend uncapped themselves, and it's not clear why. If VRR keeps frame drops in check, why isn't it the best mode? What do we lose between smooth and uncapped?
I just upgraded to ps5 after owning an xbox since the ps2. One thing I immediately notice about next gen is that loading times are cut down by about 80%. I also like how the cutscenes flow really smoothly with gameplay. If I glide into somewhere the cutscene will start with my character gliding in and it seems to be pretty dynamic.
The new game plus update actually added RT reflections to car windows in performance mode! The LOD distance for trees was also increased.
They added a lot of RT reflections in the missing places as well. Looks like Insomniac devs do watch DF analysis videos.
Looks like Fidelity Mode 120HZ + VRR Uncapped is the way to go 🔥🔥
It's good, but give Smooth a try, I think you'll like it!
@@mattmastrandrea3965 I tried that myself and smooth ironically looks too juddery to me, at least on OLED. Uncapped spends most of its time higher than 40fps which seems to resolve the problem.
Have tried uncapped and smooth. I'm enjoying smooth option more tbh.
@DimaTillmann auto on the game and system settings is VRR turned on right? Was expecting "ON" instead of "Automatic" in system settings
did he talk about smoothed and uncapped in the video?
game looks pretty great but i think the RT in performance mode is clearly very heavy and as such visuals take too big of a hit for me. i wish there was a non-RT performance mode. but either way, the 40Hz mode is great so i've been sticking with that! i can't believe there's still only a handful of games this gen that offer a 40Hz mode!!
Insomniac said the standard performance mode wasn’t necessary anymore
The hit in performance mode is not big.
Especially when you play the game, you barely notice the difference except maybe the crispness in resolution.
Note: in the performance mode the frames drop like crazy when you start swinging at higher speed and go really high in the sky using the web wings.
this was incredibly helpful as someone who gets confused by all the settings 😭 thank you
What I don’t really understand - what would the difference be between performance mode (60fps) , and the 120hz turned on with performance mode and “smoothed” - wouldn’t those two modes be exactly the same??
If it was real 120, input delay would be near none existent. The lower the frame rate, the longer the input delay.
with the "smoothed" mode, if the framerate drops below 60 then VRR should smooth it out, no reason not to enable it.
40fps mode is one of my favorite additions.
Smoother experience while the game also looks stunning
Do you need VRR for that ? Or does it just works if 120hz is enabled ?
@@nushaithshimar3429 Since I got both enabled I do not know.
I think it works with just 120hz
@@envoyofrot7046 both are available. When you enable the vrr it's just gets uncapped from capped
I was looking forward to more info regarding the fidelity mode at 120hz with smoothed VRR. It seems a lot like 60fps to me most of the time since I don’t see the slight hitching effect I usual notice at 40.
Also I just find hilarious how almost every time there’s a cut to the camera recording directly of the tv it always appears to be in the default game mode settings that look horrible.
Playing on performance mode and having a blast. I did however notice a little bit of ghosting in fidelity mode, but its still a pretty looking game.
Honestly I hope insomniac brings out a patch like horizon forbidden west to upgrade the pormance mode’s resolution, since I feel it is possible to keep it at 1440p with a solid 60fps
As 120hz displays become more ubiquitous I really hope that 40fps becomes the new 30. It’s noticeably smoother, and comes without a lot of the cutbacks of the higher frame rate modes. I love it.
I really hope 60 becomes the new 30 :)
I can't believe we're dealing with 30 fps in 2023.
@@SeasoningTheObese yeah. It kinda sucks. I don’t think people foresaw the new tech like dlss, line tracing etc, and how expensive they might be on performance. For some games it might be worth the performance cost, for others definitely not. I think 40 is noticeably smoother, but going from 60 to 30 almost feels like watching stop motion until your eyes reacclimatize. For most games I think the extra fluidity does more for “real feel” than the new tech does. But 40fps I feel is a good sweet spot. So when 120hz displays became the baseline standard, maybe 40fps with all the Bells and whistles can become the new low end with 60 fps and 120fps options depending on the game.
Great work DF!
I have an LG oled and I’ve spent the last 10 hours switching back and forth but I honestly might go with fidelity uncapped vrr and 120 display on auto.
It really does feel like it’s running higher than 40 almost at 60. The menu pop up on my tv says 119fps but idk how true that is but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was wrong
The visual disparity between modes is even more significant in late game when visuals really ramp up and there’s a lot going on on screen. Fidelity Mode is def the way to go with this one. There’s also a lot of aliasing or shimmering in general in performance mode that is definitely noticable from a normal viewing distance.
Using 40 uncapped on LG C2 and I'm loving it
Will you get 40fps smothered??
Thanks for this video!
I was sceptical about paying £60 for a video game.
I had some money in my pay Pal balance from some album sales so purchased this and Mario Wonder.
Spiderman 2 is a substantial leap over the previous two games from a visual standpoint. Superior city detail, colour and lighting.
Oliver. I heard your thoughts on RT being pulled back a touch in performance mode but the speed that you can traverse the city is most likely the reason. The speed with the wing suit and using air currents is about 4 times faster than the other games in the series...this may explain the mild cut backs?
What Insomniac has made here is phenomenal. Both in detail, story and even more important, gameplay.
It's such a leap over other AAA first party games on other platforms.
I've come off the back of a 2nd play through ,this year on PC maxed out.. originally playing Spidey on PS4 Pro and then Miles on PS5.
Spiderman 2 surpasses the PC versions of the previous two games maxed out by quite some way .
Lucky for Sony as Insomniac are holding the fort right now...an incredible studio
PS: I care not for super heros, Marvel etc but I really enjoy these Spiderman games.
Seems impossible to resist the performance mode despite the slight cuts in graphics. Just look how smooth and nice it looks during fast cutscenes and gameplay at 60 fps. So fluid and comfortable to the eyes.
Same I tried doing that 40fps method- but I prefer playing on high fps a lot more
I'm playing in performance mode 120 Hz with vrr unlocked and I don't even feel the need to try anything else, the game looks absolutely stunning and runs smooth. Goty contender for sure
I also noticed a grid like pop ins in the sky with film grain set to 10. I turned it down to 5 and it seemed to have fixed it.
When I open 120hz mode, the game first plays out fine, but whenever I open the map, it's pitch black I and I have to manually navigate to the settings to change it up while seeing nothing. I assume it has something to do with my TV, but could anyone know how to fix it?
Man the fact that they can squeeze out 60fps with barely any visual differences speaks volumes about their technical expertise. 60 really should be a bare minimum expectation by now but the last 2 Microsoft titles (Starfield and Redfall) were capped at 30fps on console.
Rocking the game on Fidelity+120Hz+Uncapped. Having no issues at all. It’s quite admirable how Insomniac is managing to run all this and also give RT reflections on 5700xt equivalent GPU on PS5
It's quite different from 5700XT, I'd be looking at a RDNA2 GPU more than anything. Perhaps a 6600XT or a 6700
No issues? The game is riddled with clipping, input issues, and weird bugs that make you reset.
@@snou69Yeah, but the GPU in the PS5 is most equivalent to a RTX 2070. The RX 5700 XT is actually slightly more powerful than a regular RTX 2070. Even then, performance difference between a RX 5700 XT and a RX 6700 is negligible.
@@bradicas5359Im having no issues at all playing at fidelity 120hz with vrr uncapped
It barely hits 60-70fps theres no point in the 120hz mode
So awesome to have 120/VRR/uncapped options at launch!
Gonna go with the fidelity vrr unlocked option. Nice performance analysis DF
I am absolutely sure that a future patch will bring some of the things that are missing compared to fidelity mode. This is Insomniac we are talking about, one of the best devs in gaming.
yep i believe that, the first entry also wasn't like that day 1 and got more added features after release especially the RT performance mode, but u know what even if not it's solid as is, I'm good with/play fidelity mode or the 40fps mode anyways
(of course they could have cut some of that back to make way for the increases in detail of the other areas and still be able to hit 60fps in performance mode)
If they were the best in gaming they’d already of had the game looking good for release which is doesn’t.
@@SHEPARD22 lol what? it does, this is literally a nitpick at best and comes with more out the gate than other games
@@SHEPARD22 besides again they could have cut some of those RT elements back to make room for the increases in detail of the other areas and still be able to hit 60fps, would it be nice to have accurate reflections on the smallest of objects like the lightposts, sure, but a cube map suffices since 9 times out of 10 a gamer will not care to pay attention to that and if u absolutely must have it, it's there in the fidelity mode/40fps mode, so yeah literally a none issue...add it later in performance if possible, for now let everyone just enjoy the amazingly polished game 🤷♂️
@@SHEPARD22 if a game like this on launch can't make you happy then nothing will
Fidelity, vrr, smoothed, is literally perfect!
Agreed
I just love the fluidity of the game as a whole. Great game imo!
So you are playing at 4k40
great analysis oliver 👍
How does the game run on a 1080p screen with the framerate uncapped in fidelity mode? I want to buy a new monitor and don't really care for higher resolutions.
I’ve noticed this with Ratchet and Clank snd Horizon. Forbidden west as well. Fidelity mode looks breath taking in these games, performance mode is a huge drop in visual quality, but still fun and much smoother. I find myself using fidelity mode more often since the change is so drastic for me.
I recommend building a PC so you can have the best of both worlds. I changed over in 2016 because of how under powered the consoles were, and I can't ever go back now
@@jonny5143 yes, that’s my next move when i buy a bigger house. I have all consoles but since PC seems to be getting every game and better performance. that seems like the best place to game. Not to mention not having to pay for online gaming.
@@JeremyLouisGaming for sure, the consoles are fine for what they are and their price points, but once you see what this stuff looks like running on a high end system, you just can't go back lol.
@@JeremyLouisGamingdevs have been super hit or miss with optimization for pc though. Get ready to spend 2-3k to brute force through bad optimization.
Source: i have a 3k pc that still suffers from shotty performance in select games (i bought my gpu when it was overpriced so the actual value is probably around 2000 something now)
Lots of games due to bad optimization run worse on a 4090 than a ps5 lol.
For single player games like this the 40fps fidelity is perfect. Good optimization beats brute force any day. Just look at Mario wonder on the switch a 8 year old mobile gpu in a 7 year old tablet. Skill of the devs matters so much.
Just started the game yesterday, did anyone else think that the graphics in the introductory fight were off ? As if there were missing textures and looked lower quality.
You know, now that i think about it, yeah. I don't know what it was but there were some sections that looked a little off, almost like base PS4, but it cleared up immediately when the core world opened up.
Yeah in some of the places the graphics looks absolutely trash. Especially on performance mode. But uh can't expect much from these new gen consoles.
well its literally a copy and paste of the last gen game with a different color filter so its not surprising
@@DeaconRazorblades thanks for confirming, yeah same thing, once the game moved on from that initial portion it does look better than the last game. Not a leap but definitely better.
Does anyone else notice low res HUD and subtitles on both mods?
Drives me crazy
As always, outstanding work Oliver ! And, as always SUPERB WORK INSOMNIAC - 40FPS uncapped vrr feels and plays like 60 with full rt and graphics - this is not your typical gamepass game that is released in beta state
For fidelity fans..
Turning on 120hz mode enables 40fps with the same high quality.
On top of that you can turn on VRR to get it to smooth out uneven frames or uncap the framerate.
VRR reduces resolution slightly.
To better improve quality.. play with visual settings like film grain and chromatic aberration. Removing film grain really improves the image here.
The contrast slider too should be adjusted as per your display. Moving it from the default at 50 to 65 improved colours and shadows for me.
VRR does not kick in until 48fps
Actually, enabling 120hz mode on fidelity reduces dynamic resolution too, even without vrr, I have tested it and it’s noticesble. So for best picture quality stick to 30fps unfortunately
I do not understand why every dev turns on film grain by default. It looks bad in every game.
I guess they just use it to mask jagged edges or something idk.
@@Bakerwar If you're playing on a 4K display then yes it's noticeable, 120hz mode will keep fidelity at mostly 1440p resolution, being rarely at 4K during motion.
120hz mode seems perfect on the 1440p monitors, you have no choice but to play at normal 30fps fidelity if you want to maintain 4K resolution most of time.
@@ancientflames It's to maintain cinematic experience during cutscenes, while this mode indeed sucks when it comes to fidelity, it's just a filter that can induce the artistic aspect of a cinema movie.
I’ve been on performance mode, but after reading these comments I think I’m gonna give fidelity with uncapped VRR a try!
what were your impressions? personally I just can't play any game below 60fps
i switched and personally it was definitely better than any other game with uncapped vrr and 120hz mode on, but still prefer the vrrr smoothed performance mode with 120hz mode on, just love that framerate - game is beautiful graphics wise either way so im sticking to performance@@jahblo666
I've been playing on Fidelity with 120 on and VRR set to Smooth, and loving it.
The 40fps mode literally feels 90% as good as 60fps and also looking a decent bit better. Really good implementation.
idk about 90% but it is a great middle ground.
truth. Unless you are consciously aware of it, any consistent fps above 30 is almost indistinguishable from 60 fps
@@anthonymorales5815 Definetely if you have 120hz enabled, that way the input lag is improved significantly.
@@Picchnosiothis just isn't true for most people.
30 to 60 is night and day.
Most people opt for performance mode in games.
@@markus9641 i do, and i tried it. it was cool but it’s not close a replacement imo, but an awesome option nevertheless
I am still amazed how much RT can be optimised in Spider man Games, it may not be super fancy but it looks good.
Many thanks Oliver, I noted, there was cast shadow from pedestrians and vehicles in Ray Tracing Reflection also, in comparison of Spider-Man Remastered
hey df! would be great you guy guys highlighted visually some key differences sometimes. my eyes are not as trained as yours, i try my best but at times i cant simply see the difference hahah
I’ve been choosing performance mode every time in my PS5 games but I tried fidelity here and was stunned at how smooth it was. It’s the best 30fps I’ve ever played, I’m not sure how they pulled it off. The visual hit in performance is a bit too much for me.
I'm usually a performance man myself, however, only if a game can maintain a 1080p or above output. Given that I game on a 65 inch 4k tv, anything below 1080p just looks too soft image wise. I'll probably opt for the 40fps fidelity mode for the first time. Really seems like that is the most balanced mode available if you have the tv/monitor to support it.
Good motion blur?
Same, the effects and crispness combined with great motion blur make 30 fps fidelity mode look and run great. Too bad I don't have vrr 😢
Is it just me or the game looks softer resolution wise when compared to remastered even in the fidelity mode
Yes it does, it’s due to the more demanding raytracing.
We need a 60fps mode without ray tracing, with higher resolution
@@cristopher8186 I agree, while they should praised for the work they did a mode without RT would be great.
Question how do we get 40 FPS do I need a TV that supports vrr cuz the highest Hzmy TV is 60.? I heard you have to put Fidelity uncapped? 🤔🤔
@DigitalFoundry
I have a problem , I just started playing Spider-Man 2 with vrr smooth and 120hz auto.
I have a 4K 120hz LG OLED but the graphics look really bad idk why. It looks like a PS3 game almost (purely graphics wise). I know it’s not my TV because I just played HFW right before and graphics were fine. Is it just the Sandman stage that looks this bad?” , I search for the solution and found that i'm not the only one who had this issue most who have a 120HZ TV or monitor , I just turn off each : film grain , motiln blur , chromatic abberation , It look way better but not as good as miles morales , any solution or just waiting for a patch 😢 !?
The difference in NPC density honestly make me wanna play in fidelity mode
Timestamp?
Here's the thing... We aren't on PC so if I'm going to have to play the game in 30fps to see Ray tracing, I'll be more than happy not knowing what im missing in performance mode.
RT is cool but definitely not worth the cut to performance
But we still get RT in performance mode it's just less so. So really it's a best of both worlds situation.
You can go with the fidelity option in up to 50fps, you aren’t 30fps limited assuming you own the tv hardware. A PS5 Pro next year may get that closer to up to 60.
Grain in fidelity mode is causing problems for me. It’s tearing and causing black checkerboard to flash in the background. I turned it down and it’s completely fixed
hey foundry-men. I am recording spiderman 2 with my 4k60 pro mk2 from elgato but it is not stable when recording, it goes from smooth to somewhat choppy back to smooth once in a while so my question is do you guys experience that too or in the past and if so what fixed it?
With Insomniac, we discover once again what master optimization is. The end result is just incredible. RT support even in performance mode, almost non-existent loading times and the New York transcription is splendid.
I play it in fidelity mode + 120Hz. Which allows me to play at 40Fps with the graphics at maximum.
This game is full of detail and everywhere you go, you see the masterful work that Insomniac Games have managed to do. Already with Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, we had already had an incredible result but here, this time, for the continuation of Spider-Man's adventures, we have something crazy!
Thank you Insomniac Games for continuing to make us dream. We really need it!
You're not even getting the VRR effects unless you hit 48fps
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271Game is fun and looks great. If all that matters are numbers then you are gaming for the wrong reason.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271Bro did not check Rtings 💀
@@ThrobingkcocLook at Jedi Survivor and say that again
4k40 fps you are not playing with max graphics, the resolution down close to 1440p
The 40fps mode is so good. Enjoyed it in Ragnarok, and now this game. Every game should have that option. It’s so smooth.
how to use 40
@@FrancisSyCoCoyou have to have a TV, or monitor that supports 120hz. Then the option should show up in the graphic settings.
40 fps Absolute choppy garbage especially in GoW. Whats wrong with y'all
@@gangs0846 ok 👍🏼
This is basically the dream for me at 1440p and 60fps and people are still not happy lol If games would run like this forever I would be happy with it.
Funnily enough, I didn't realize the 40fps mode was a thing so I've been playing on the Fidelity mode at 30fps cause it just looks so damn good. Surprisingly though, the 30fps cap hasn't bothered me. I've gotten used to it and the game looking as gorgeous as it does is more of a plus for me than a few frames personally. That said, my TV is 120hz with VRR. Think I just need to fiddle with the settings to get that option to appear so I can try it. Great stuff as always DF!
I will play in performance mode, the visual quality is strill great and the gap isn't that noticeable unless you compare the two side by side, and as good as the fidelity mode looks you lose all the detail in motion at lower framerates. I hope they patch that shimmering in the LOD though, it's distractiong, but other than that 60 fps it is. What a great job Insomniac, I hoper this serves as an example to every developer putting lackluster perfomance modes in their games.
I actually found is very noticeable, something just felt off when I switched to performance mode and I think it was losing so much detail in the distance which you spend a lot of time looking at when swinging around the world.
My only problem with performance mode is the crowd density, otherwise I think it looks gorgeous. I'm hoping they address this in a patch; maybe you could turn off ray tracing in favor of crowd density!
40fps is super good. Been playing the whole game that way so far. Huge upgrade over 30fps.
The graphics, sound and haptics on this are next level.
On my LG CX I have it set to 120 on fidelity. It’s flawless l!! Amazing.
When you complete the game, can you switch the colour of the symbiote powers from white to black or is it only white ? This has me worried and not sure if people are thinking the same as I do
They did a great job with all modes. I don’t have the 40 capable fps but 30 fps with motion blur is really well done for what it is
Fidelity at 40 FPS with a 120 hz TV is the best way!
💯 feels good looks amazing
Given this is for a fixed system I'm surprised there isn't an active mode rather than picking performance / fidelity. Surely you could sync some of these settings to come on during cutscenes or even when the players movement speed is reduced. I'm sure the game can tell when your walking around rather than flying through the city and actively turn on or off the rt reflections, ramp up or down perdestrian desnisty?
PS6 feature
I think they realise it’s not realistic to consistently hit 60 in fidelity, so they keep it segregated between those two modes
Having the framerate cap fluctuate often like that would be jarring. Consistency is just as important.
That would feel awful to play
My TV can only do 120hz in 1440p (Only HDMI 2.0). Would you guys say the 10 extra frames are worth the drop in resolution? I feel like I notice quite a drop in image quality, even when sitting from far away. Is there anything else changing than the resolution?
Cant wait to play this game on PC with my Rtx 5090
I'd wish for Digital Foundry to check the somewhat lacking AO coverage. Brightly lit areas rely only on the shadowmaps with no visible AO and it makes some scenes (buildings, the foliage in the Emily-May Foundation building) extremely flat. My game looks borderline broken sometimes.
Yeah I was wondering why the game looks broken at times. Like there’s things missing that should be there
Unclear what "AO" means.
@@cube2foxAmbient Occlusion
@@cube2fox Ambient occlusion. Contact shadows
@@freeme123go8 could it just be a time of day thing? Because it doesn’t always look like what you’re describing
Isn't it possible for Insomniac to automatically "toggle" the fidelity settings when cutscenes are being shown. I think fidelity Isn't that necessary for normal gameplay but I definitely noticed the visual hits in cutscenes, I wonder if they could do something like that.
they absolutely could since it’s a PS5 exclusive title and they’re a first party studio. it’s a weird omission tbh
Constant switching from 60 to 30 fps is really distracting
I thought this same thing!
I'm looking at all these comments but yet no one's talking about Spider-Man 2 bugs🤷♂️ what a lot of people are experiencing
I had one npc walking on air, no more bugs
Peter turned into a sugar cube lmfao
Same I noticed quite a few bugs.
Probably not mentioned because they aren’t rampant and will no doubt be patched out asap.
The FSR shimmering is quite bad in this. DLSS would be amazing