The Tomi vs Stock Debate 2

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  • @MusiqueTF
    @MusiqueTF 5 років тому +3602

    Great, now Tomislav has to get a nerf. Thanks alot, LargeJosephPunchSmack. You just HAD to show EVERYONE the truth, and now look at what you've done, destroying a beautiful weapon all because of your stubbornness to not let this debate go. I can smell the future now, and it smells like rotten bologna between a sandvich. I hope it was well worth it to you. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm taking my Huo Long Heater, Dalokohs Bar, and Warriors Spirits into the new world. G'day sir!

    • @devinrichards4559
      @devinrichards4559 5 років тому +98

      Cant wait for the nerf lol. Finally time to bring stock dominance.

    • @path1521
      @path1521 5 років тому +53

      @@devinrichards4559 I don't even want stock dominance I just want tomislav to be nerfed

    • @devinrichards4559
      @devinrichards4559 5 років тому +39

      @@path1521 Understandable. I mainly use stock myself, I don't like to use the Tomislav because of the reputation I've seen it garner eith people just assuming its better at everything.

    • @beanslinger2
      @beanslinger2 5 років тому +4

      tomislav s u c k this is just biased

    • @sonnydog830
      @sonnydog830 5 років тому +49

      Brass Beast heavies unite!

  • @Herobryce1075
    @Herobryce1075 4 роки тому +2409

    *Brass Beast walks in*
    "Somebody say close quarters combat?"

    • @jaffachannel
      @jaffachannel 4 роки тому +12

      @winsley ocampo what

    • @Ayr-me7vb
      @Ayr-me7vb 4 роки тому +9

      @winsley ocampo what

    • @_ZXCV_
      @_ZXCV_ 4 роки тому +202

      Sentry walks in with a heavy mask
      Everyone: look it’s the brass beast heavy!

    • @manwhodontlikepickel1327
      @manwhodontlikepickel1327 4 роки тому +7

      Reddit Humor you have made two videos out of nothing but a black screen.

    • @_ZXCV_
      @_ZXCV_ 4 роки тому +7

      æügh ok? Your point is...

  • @StickMaster500
    @StickMaster500 5 років тому +5168

    Now that we’ve finally laid this debate to rest, I would quite like to see a comparison between the Stock Shotgun and Family Business to see what’s the better Shotgun for Heavy

    • @brotherbango1560
      @brotherbango1560 5 років тому +322

      unfortunately all shotguns are bad on heavy

    • @the_burger
      @the_burger 5 років тому +378

      Sandvich

    • @milkywaysearcher3290
      @milkywaysearcher3290 5 років тому +117

      Banana

    • @looting3305
      @looting3305 5 років тому +144

      But are we talking about from a "funny funny ha ha" point, or which is actually more genuinely viable on heavy?

    • @the_burger
      @the_burger 5 років тому +23

      @@looting3305 SANDVICH

  • @B121AN1
    @B121AN1 4 роки тому +5332

    One advantage the stock has, it can’t be nerfed.

    • @thejellybeanbazooka1451
      @thejellybeanbazooka1451 4 роки тому +851

      Demoman mains: That's where you're wrong kiddo

    • @shmoist2678
      @shmoist2678 4 роки тому +128

      It can

    • @alexq3417
      @alexq3417 4 роки тому +394

      You say that like they update tf2

    • @Fireboltagain
      @Fireboltagain 4 роки тому +18

      Savage

    • @coocato
      @coocato 4 роки тому +38

      @@alexq3417you do realize they recently made an update, and besides the TF2 team is small and its not their fault they cant shit out major balance changes at mach 4

  • @sawduzt
    @sawduzt 4 роки тому +328

    I'll end the argument here and now, one has *slav* in it, the other has *mini*

    • @sirtangerine1465
      @sirtangerine1465 4 роки тому +23

      Mini Slav

    • @alsanderandciaran
      @alsanderandciaran 3 роки тому +3

      technically both have mini

    • @engineerxero7767
      @engineerxero7767 3 роки тому +1

      @@alsanderandciaran can you read

    • @alsanderandciaran
      @alsanderandciaran 3 роки тому +1

      @@engineerxero7767 images.app.goo.gl/axQtE9ZLd4Tth7kJ9
      As you can see Tomislav has minigun in it. Can you read?

    • @alsanderandciaran
      @alsanderandciaran 3 роки тому +1

      @@oxalt images.app.goo.gl/axQtE9ZLd4Tth7kJ9
      As you can see Tomislav has minigun in it.

  • @CompetitiveGlueSniffer
    @CompetitiveGlueSniffer 4 роки тому +890

    The actuall good heavy mains: *Debates about stock vs tomislav*
    Me: *Laughs and cries in brass beast*

    • @theandroid5282
      @theandroid5282 4 роки тому +61

      *Cries in Huo-Long Heater nerf*

    • @treygreen5015
      @treygreen5015 4 роки тому +17

      Same here. People just don’t know how to use it.

    • @Aswero21
      @Aswero21 4 роки тому +4

      Cries in pistol

    • @yeezet4592
      @yeezet4592 4 роки тому +21

      @@treygreen5015 its a pretty dif play style. Pair it with some fat scout type stuff

    • @treygreen5015
      @treygreen5015 4 роки тому +12

      Yeezet It’s a play style that rewards flanking and ambushing and punishes brave solo pushes.

  • @Vision444
    @Vision444 5 років тому +1590

    Even with the Tomislav I doubt you’ll hear the spy uncloak
    Kinda hard to ignore all the fighting and explosions

    • @FPSDrifter
      @FPSDrifter 5 років тому +114

      Just [REDACTED] and you'll be fine.

    • @gemstonegynoid7475
      @gemstonegynoid7475 5 років тому +117

      Yeaah thats the real trick for fighting as spy. 1v1 youll go nowhere. But when people are distracted by fighting youll get more picks

    • @askryuzaki3693
      @askryuzaki3693 5 років тому +19

      @@gemstonegynoid7475 Unless, its a pretentious ebic spy main.

    • @farya92
      @farya92 5 років тому +49

      "alright guys, let's cap this"
      *fighting happens*
      *spy uncloaks*
      "wait, hold on lemme kill this spy first"

    • @reallyspingebillboxpants
      @reallyspingebillboxpants 5 років тому +4

      @@FPSDrifter That's cheating

  • @teedeegremlin
    @teedeegremlin 5 років тому +1876

    Did you...
    Did you take the health pack while being healed...?
    Dear god.

    • @polskiobywatel553
      @polskiobywatel553 5 років тому +182

      There's more.

    • @uki3890
      @uki3890 5 років тому +71

      I guess he gave the medic a sandwitch but the medic died anyway so you cant blame him

    • @teedeegremlin
      @teedeegremlin 5 років тому +90

      Polski Obywatel no...!

    • @teedeegremlin
      @teedeegremlin 5 років тому +13

      MrUchi i can't blame him too much for something that's common enough.

    • @gustavokaneshige7608
      @gustavokaneshige7608 5 років тому

      Polski Obywatel NOU

  • @lochsry9054
    @lochsry9054 5 років тому +3758

    I don't even need to look at the arguments...
    Brass Beast is the best minigun.

    • @rallakos
      @rallakos 5 років тому +206

      brass beast should be renamed to portable sentry gun

    • @muhammadabyanhafiz2369
      @muhammadabyanhafiz2369 5 років тому +9

      for defense

    • @lochsry9054
      @lochsry9054 5 років тому +54

      @@muhammadabyanhafiz2369 no for everything dummy

    • @KaNofbeans
      @KaNofbeans 5 років тому +92

      brass beast has the highest dps in the game but other than that it makes you ultra slow, almost as much as a sentry, It basically turns you into a soviet tank

    • @lochsry9054
      @lochsry9054 5 років тому +96

      @@KaNofbeans Exactly Comrade, you get to become Mother Russia's greatest tool of oppression

  • @funnylaughed7423
    @funnylaughed7423 4 роки тому +139

    Personally, I think it depends on the play style and the map.
    Stock is great for maps with tight corridors and chokepoints, as you could shoot through the hallways and if there was multiple people, blindly shoot the choke point to deal loads of damage. If you also prefer defending and checking behind every corner, the stock mini gun is great.
    Tomislav is great in maps with lots of high ground to jump down from, or more open areas, as the smaller bullet radius is better in long range than close range. For the roaming style heavy, or the heavy that loves to capture points or take the intel, pick the Tomislav.

  • @BeanutzThePeanutBoy
    @BeanutzThePeanutBoy 4 роки тому +188

    All the things aside, it still saddens me that the Huo Long, the Brass and the Natasha are being left out to dust. Yes, these miniguns are very specific, but that's the reason why the Stock and the Tomi are being used the most: reliable in any case scenario. I just wanted to point it out because I've been trying to use these odd minis recently. They're satisfying to use, breaks the meta, but for the cost of being cumbersome. Idk. I simply wish for these 3 miniguns to get a buff.
    P.S. I still prefer stock over tomi. Great and improved vid.

    • @galahadtg7884
      @galahadtg7884 3 роки тому +12

      I agree with this but i personally think the natasha actually still has a niche role in slowing down enemy combos mid to late game that alot of people dont take advantage of

    • @zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
      @zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 3 роки тому +8

      @@galahadtg7884 natasha have been put on 'i can't aim so i must use something to slow down my enemy mobility' stereotype.

    • @kirk.kang27
      @kirk.kang27 3 роки тому +9

      @@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 its also a great support gun for a well coordinated team,

    • @robyn6455
      @robyn6455 3 роки тому +2

      @@kirk.kang27 exactly, its just most people don’t really coordinate in pubs lol

    • @maildaemon
      @maildaemon 3 роки тому +11

      The Natascha does _not_ need a buff. Not even a small one.
      It is incredibly powerful in countering mobile generalist classes and punishing retreats.

  • @crookbrother
    @crookbrother 5 років тому +404

    0:36 I haven’t heard that sound effect in years

    • @NickIvanRowan
      @NickIvanRowan 4 роки тому +1

      @ExDeeXD Music i didnt hear that sound efect ever in my life.

    • @engineerxero7767
      @engineerxero7767 4 роки тому +2

      @Dick Boy where’s it from anyway

    • @ABAgamer_
      @ABAgamer_ 3 роки тому +4

      I remember hearing that sound in YTP's and flipnotes on Flipnote Studio.

    • @tandemcamden6587
      @tandemcamden6587 3 роки тому +1

      Me neither

    • @nikki-deprecated
      @nikki-deprecated 3 роки тому +1

      probably been since 2013 for me rofl

  • @acethurman71
    @acethurman71 5 років тому +333

    Wait, ITS BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THE LAST DEBATE?

  • @creepyghost2001
    @creepyghost2001 5 років тому +122

    Tf2 video and using a *hat* in time soundtrack...
    _seems fitting_

  • @luigimario8389
    @luigimario8389 4 роки тому +68

    That sandvich throw was hella clean tbh.

  • @biblequotesdaily6618
    @biblequotesdaily6618 4 роки тому +679

    fun fact:
    "beating a dead horse" means to win against it in a race, not battering a corpse. it means that its pointless to try and prove something that is already known; we all know you'd win a horse race against a dead horse, so why race in the first place?

    • @Skullhawk13
      @Skullhawk13 4 роки тому +6

      @@bucketofchicken8325 sounds like someone who won’t be getting a job. Intelligence is an asset.

    • @bucketofchicken8325
      @bucketofchicken8325 4 роки тому +1

      @@Skullhawk13 lol ok dude i was kidding

    • @bucketofchicken8325
      @bucketofchicken8325 4 роки тому +2

      Ill delete the comment if it means so much to you

    • @christiaanprinsloo8951
      @christiaanprinsloo8951 4 роки тому +56

      wrong. the origin is from "flogging a dead horse" which exactly means battering a corpse
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse

    • @xamotii7988
      @xamotii7988 4 роки тому

      You’re already going to win in a fight with a dead horse

  • @werl_01
    @werl_01 5 років тому +299

    Tomi: “Is good.” - Heavy Weapons Guy
    • More useful in a wider variety of situations
    • Can snipe (sort of)
    • “The sounds of silence”
    Stock: “TIME TO RUN, COWARDS!”
    • Big gun shoot tiny men
    • Looks cooler
    • WHIRRRRRRR
    • Iconic
    Conclusion: Tomi is more useful, stock is more badass

    • @scremmagekatte2216
      @scremmagekatte2216 5 років тому +30

      yeah that essentially sums it up
      the one thing they forgot to measure is something that cannot really be measured, the Psychological damage stat

    • @lysdexic3435
      @lysdexic3435 5 років тому +2

      I kinda like the way the tomislav looks better tbh

    • @zoruafox7512
      @zoruafox7512 5 років тому +6

      Werl 01 to be fair the faster rev time should Only matter if you shouldn’t be playing heavy. You should already be reved by the time the enemy approaches you. You know because you are a defensive class you should already be reved when an enemy rounds a corner or standing on top of a cart. So assuming you are playing the defensive class defensively like you should tomislav is kinda lacking considering if the quicker rev time matters you should be playing another class.

    • @dogwithabeard2612
      @dogwithabeard2612 5 років тому

      Tomi is better because I can use my New Yorker/Boston hybrid accent.

    • @mato4257
      @mato4257 4 роки тому +2

      I can respect that

  • @Krasnikgavsharik
    @Krasnikgavsharik 5 років тому +860

    Ya all be comparing stock versus tomislav, but the title of the best minigun is uncontested.
    *The Who Long Dragon*

  • @Marpurrsa
    @Marpurrsa 4 роки тому +211

    "do you hear the difference?"
    *cant hear anything in both clips*

    • @manelgrinder3027
      @manelgrinder3027 4 роки тому +15

      Usually it's better to wear headphones te hear uncloaking spies

    • @aaronking2020
      @aaronking2020 4 роки тому +7

      I can hear Tomi but not Stock

    • @ELLK848
      @ELLK848 3 роки тому +2

      I can’t hear either

    • @vidara6093
      @vidara6093 3 роки тому

      turn up your volume

    • @naqib0264
      @naqib0264 3 роки тому +3

      your in a battlefield, full of gunshots, explosions, and screams. Its Fucking impossible To hear the decloak sound.

  • @tankdesu7077
    @tankdesu7077 4 роки тому +14

    As a new heavy main, this helped a lot in choosing my Minigun, thanks OverlysizedJosephHitBalls

  • @moviemaker1986
    @moviemaker1986 5 років тому +1339

    "...one of the biggest debates in TF2..."
    *Random Crits would like a word.*

    • @rejvaik00
      @rejvaik00 5 років тому +23

      There's already a tf2 game without random crits it's called COMPETITIVE

    • @bimss7969
      @bimss7969 4 роки тому +53

      rejvaik so just because a outdated occasionally annoying mechanic we shouldn’t be allowed to play casual? Most people dislike random crits. Deal with it

    • @sho3003
      @sho3003 4 роки тому +2

      @@accountnolongerinuse738 there's a website called TF2Center

    • @mbsb1376
      @mbsb1376 4 роки тому +8

      He said one of them, not the biggest.

    • @megaagentj2248
      @megaagentj2248 4 роки тому +4

      Jack Eggebrecht *one of*

  • @Dr_Bobert
    @Dr_Bobert 5 років тому +237

    I think it would be a great idea if Bearded Expense did "The Tomi vs Stock Debate 3" It would give us a second opinion but this time with a stock user.

    • @tylerrusnak7736
      @tylerrusnak7736 5 років тому +30

      Yeah. It's super biased

    • @wert1234576
      @wert1234576 5 років тому +69

      It will be 8 minutes of him making noises

    • @aprofessionalgamer5355
      @aprofessionalgamer5355 5 років тому +56

      @@wert1234576 You say that like it's a bad thing.

    • @mathewsmith2281
      @mathewsmith2281 5 років тому +25

      Would love to see it, but Joey does make most of the best points in this video. Only problems I could see is that long range with a minigun is entirely useless, it's not designed for that anyway, and he doesn't consider prefiring (IE shooting for a second (when going around corners where enemies certainly are) and then hitting your opponent.) This part makes the stock super strong, because the damage ramp up gives an even higher DPS, and because you're walking around corners you're already really close to the enemy.

    • @slyseal2091
      @slyseal2091 5 років тому +8

      @@mathewsmith2281 that isnt a thing anymore, now it goes back to full damage just by revving it for a second.

  • @CoconutNucifera
    @CoconutNucifera 5 років тому +521

    "With my Stand, 「Dalokohs Bar」, I will defeat every single Tomislav user!"

    • @Niiue
      @Niiue 5 років тому +52

      A JoJo Fan
      “Heh, if you think your stand is great, watch mine! 「Sheer Panic Attack」!
      I shall use it and defend the Hoovies from the Tryhards!”
      STAND STATS:
      Power: A
      Speed: A
      Range: C
      Vitality: C
      Precision: D
      Development Potential: A

    • @CoconutNucifera
      @CoconutNucifera 5 років тому +8

      @@Niiue MASAKA!!!

    • @joanaguayoplanell4912
      @joanaguayoplanell4912 5 років тому +5

      Fully powered Vaccinator Ubercharge: I see all of your S* and raise it.

    • @Niiue
      @Niiue 5 років тому

      Joan Aguayo Planell increases Vitality by 2 ranks

    • @parryhotter8788
      @parryhotter8788 5 років тому

      @@Niiue kono powa wa

  • @asxp2433
    @asxp2433 4 роки тому +20

    joey: tomislav
    captions: thats a thomas law

  • @UndeadFangtooth
    @UndeadFangtooth 4 роки тому +168

    Heavy A: "Stock is better!"
    Heavy B: "Tomislav is better!"
    Me who uses Brass Beast: ...

    • @patrickmatrix9963
      @patrickmatrix9963 4 роки тому +18

      Huo Long Heater heavies: What about us

    • @cashcreations8797
      @cashcreations8797 4 роки тому +8

      I respect the crap out of that

    • @GJ-uf6om
      @GJ-uf6om 4 роки тому +20

      Natascha heavys: ...

    • @SpireGuy
      @SpireGuy 4 роки тому +14

      Fat Scouts: Hey.

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 4 роки тому +6

      @@GJ-uf6om Everybody talk about Tomislav ,Stock etc. etc. but deep down in our heart we all know that Iron Curtain is best weapon in game.

  • @BigJoeySlaps
    @BigJoeySlaps  5 років тому +661

    **JOIN MY DISCORD - THE HOUSE OF PLAGUES!!**
    It's really active with TF2 players and I hang out here a bunch :D
    discord.gg/JWCSz2z

    • @KerosineNotKerosene
      @KerosineNotKerosene 5 років тому +1

      Quack

    • @DatCerealYT
      @DatCerealYT 5 років тому +1

      Hi

    • @parsley3215
      @parsley3215 5 років тому +2

      Yo Joey the video is still only 360p quality. Anything you can do about it?

    • @gensal2003
      @gensal2003 5 років тому +2

      Big Joey Slap-Nuts Love the video, keep it uppp

    • @BigJoeySlaps
      @BigJoeySlaps  5 років тому +5

      Parsley fixed 👌🏼

  • @the-jar
    @the-jar 5 років тому +195

    What I think is:
    The tomislav is a jack of all trades. More useful for more situations, less useful in others, but decent all round
    The stock is better for what I think is where heavy is supposed to be used: close range crowd control/dps

    • @KB-ud5ct
      @KB-ud5ct 5 років тому +12

      Precisely.

    • @CoolGuy-sv6kn
      @CoolGuy-sv6kn 5 років тому +55

      And the brass beast is for sentry role play

    • @daddysempaichan
      @daddysempaichan 5 років тому +13

      Stock is when you want to kill Scunts while still dealing damage to the enemy team.

    • @ogonplayzgames7823
      @ogonplayzgames7823 5 років тому +1

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what is Pyro then??

    • @beanslinger2
      @beanslinger2 5 років тому +1

      jack of no trades, no master at all
      the tomislav shouldn't exist at all

  • @fairandbalanced2957
    @fairandbalanced2957 5 років тому +168

    Best heavy primary is the holiday punch don't at me bro.

  • @Kir1ko
    @Kir1ko 4 роки тому +40

    I main stock because i have an Australium one... and im also not the most accurate

  • @oof340
    @oof340 5 років тому +23

    5:13 the part where demo man charges and heavy counter punches is pretty simmilar to bald bull in nes punch out

  • @mscup8814
    @mscup8814 5 років тому +182

    While i agree with all of your points, i find it weird that you gave the Tomi 3 different points based on silent rev.
    -Campability
    -Silent Rev
    -Hear Spies Easier

    • @duncanabrams7441
      @duncanabrams7441 5 років тому +14

      billy loman it needs it's crutch shhhhhhhhhh

    • @pootisspencer9586
      @pootisspencer9586 5 років тому +50

      billy loman yeah that felt weird to me too, especially when he said he wouldn't give "repeat" advantages to the stock

    • @JointedCrab
      @JointedCrab 5 років тому +13

      Obviously a biased video.

    • @nathanielvantassell8809
      @nathanielvantassell8809 5 років тому +13

      They were the points summed up into single words or small sentences. There was bound to be a misunderstanding somewhere. Camp ability is talking about the tomi making it easier to stay in one place without being found, as you could see if you watch where he was most of the time. Silent rev is referring to it in general, not the specific uses. Hear spies easier refers to how tomi heavys are most likely to hear a spy coming out of the 2 mini guns being compared

    • @mscup8814
      @mscup8814 5 років тому +13

      @@nathanielvantassell8809 Well, you say that, but why even point out the specific uses for a stat, when the general use for the stat is already listed? If i really wanted to, i could probably list a few things that having a wider spread is useful for

  • @JupiterJ0S3PH
    @JupiterJ0S3PH 5 років тому +365

    I don’t use stock or the tomislav:
    *I uSe ThE bRaSs BeAsT*

  • @Cheezymuffin.
    @Cheezymuffin. 5 років тому +364

    Pff, the brass beast is the best gun, just look at that DPS!

    • @johnny420xxx
      @johnny420xxx 4 роки тому +15

      Look at lvl 2 or 3 sentry's dps. xD better play engi

    • @giornogiovanna9057
      @giornogiovanna9057 4 роки тому +48

      @@johnny420xxx brass beast is a sentry bro.

    • @hajimehinata5854
      @hajimehinata5854 4 роки тому +5

      @@johnny420xxx Wow funny! So funny. also ua-cam.com/video/ML21RiO4exY/v-deo.html

    • @flying_gorilla8069
      @flying_gorilla8069 4 роки тому +1

      Soulaima Rahal thank for showing me that video, I watched it for like a hour

    • @giornogiovanna9057
      @giornogiovanna9057 4 роки тому +2

      @Henry Nagel yep

  • @CsubAzUrmedve
    @CsubAzUrmedve 3 роки тому +3

    I deleted so many groups of enemies jumping around corner with the Tomislav it's unreal. It's so satisfying. Doing that with a Kritzkrieg Medic is a dopamine factory. The silence is the one that won this contest for me hands down.

  • @bigbrimstone
    @bigbrimstone Рік тому +1

    My man busted out the figure remix from like 2010 for this one. Couldn’t miss it. Great video. Yeah I know it’s beetle juice

  • @incendium6615
    @incendium6615 5 років тому +46

    The thing is, the stock heavy should prioritize walking forward in a 1v1 scenario like this. Right now, the bot is imitating you and thus waking backwards when in a practical setting the stock heavy would want to get as close as possible.

    • @lizard_wizard7246
      @lizard_wizard7246 5 років тому +4

      True that whole bot testing proved nothing and is nothing like a real game. In real game, u will never even spin up at the same time as the other heavy and the winer of the heavy "duels" is always the one who reacts faster. If stock wasnt able get a kill, neither would be tomi

    • @treygreen5015
      @treygreen5015 4 роки тому +1

      True. I think all heavy primaries are situational.

    • @greasedumpster9781
      @greasedumpster9781 4 роки тому +1

      I havent really played for that long at all but each time i see a tomislav i absolutely melt the person who was using it with the stock (i know they may have been slow to react or already damaged, but i just seem to beat a lot of heavys that are using the tomislav with the stock) and this may have been because i have always tried to get up in their face as i know i have the raw damage advantage, so i agree with your argument

  • @angelflorp2259
    @angelflorp2259 5 років тому +68

    Instructions not clear mained scout

  • @slewch3106
    @slewch3106 5 років тому +89

    when you watch so early you can only see in 360 P

  • @geshscale6068
    @geshscale6068 2 роки тому +3

    Tomislav mains fighting stock mains.
    Me laughing in huo long heater:

  • @britishteaf2663
    @britishteaf2663 4 роки тому

    BIG JOEYYY i learnt the ins and outs of heavys tomislav from this and mastered b-hops lotta love for ur channel

  • @sombodee5134
    @sombodee5134 5 років тому +102

    Joey: tomislav
    Caption: *TOMAS LOVE*

    • @triangulum8869
      @triangulum8869 4 роки тому +2

      Upbeat_Kun captions:
      THOMAS SLAV

    • @ikeashelf9003
      @ikeashelf9003 4 роки тому

      THOMAS LOB

    • @CompetitiveGlueSniffer
      @CompetitiveGlueSniffer 4 роки тому +2

      @Upbeat_Kun
      I mean, the caption is technically right. In slavic languages (Yes, i am slav myself), there is a lot of names like Tomislav, for example; Bogusław, Jarosław etc. (thoose were the polish ones). The names like this were made in medieval times, and they essentialy means that somebody is prasing something, and the finest example is Bogusław. Bogu (Translation; God/To the god) - sław (Praise/Love/Adore).
      Cheers :D

  • @cheryl9809
    @cheryl9809 5 років тому +253

    Why am I watching a heavy guide when I have 13 hours on heavy out of my 1000 hours?

    • @blackfrost3581
      @blackfrost3581 4 роки тому +31

      To know your enemy better

    • @Madadader
      @Madadader 4 роки тому +1

      Great opportunity to diversify into heavy more?

    • @Madadader
      @Madadader 4 роки тому

      Which classes do you have the most hours in?

    • @cheryl9809
      @cheryl9809 4 роки тому +3

      Daniel Carlile demonstration man

    • @ioncavegrandma9256
      @ioncavegrandma9256 4 роки тому

      @@cheryl9809 Play heavy he's better and easier to carry a team with and more fun (for me anyway). Might be biased as I'm a heavy main but seriously give him a try

  • @monzo4489
    @monzo4489 5 років тому +375

    Everyone: stock vs tomislav!!!
    Me, an intellectual: the SMG is the best minigun

    • @DarkLord111111111111
      @DarkLord111111111111 5 років тому +58

      SMG stands for S-Tier Mini Gun

    • @cowdy_
      @cowdy_ 4 роки тому +10

      Heh..
      MINIgun

    • @gummy2955
      @gummy2955 4 роки тому +4

      pretty boy's pocket pistol is the best minigun

    • @Marouu1
      @Marouu1 4 роки тому

      @@gummy2955 yes

    • @jaydenfurlong6109
      @jaydenfurlong6109 4 роки тому +2

      Mista Dolla are you stupid? That’s a scout weapon, the vaccinator is better anyways smh my head.

  • @TheNumber86
    @TheNumber86 5 років тому +6

    Wizard Tomislav vs Virgin Stock vs Chad Brass Beast vs THAD NATASCHA

  • @agpiplup288
    @agpiplup288 5 років тому +28

    Another test you should have done is with stock medics healing them, which is the more often heavy fight in my experience

  • @dbharu2489
    @dbharu2489 5 років тому +300

    Joey: this video wont be a copy
    Joey 4 minutes later: Tomislav good; minigun bad

    • @Dr_Bobert
      @Dr_Bobert 5 років тому +28

      Pretty Accurate

    • @Niiue
      @Niiue 5 років тому +4

      Robert Shields Pun.mp4

    • @BlueThe1up
      @BlueThe1up 5 років тому +31

      cept joey didnt say "minigun bad", he said very clearly he thinks the minigun is good but not as good as the tomi

    • @borgar_pizza_cat
      @borgar_pizza_cat 5 років тому +10

      @@BlueThe1up there was the same opinion when Joey made the previous Minigun vs Tomi video.

    • @BlueThe1up
      @BlueThe1up 5 років тому +3

      @@borgar_pizza_cat thats true

  • @Loonacs
    @Loonacs 5 років тому +13

    I feel like when I play heavy, I usually am at close range and already revved the most. I believe each minigun is used for a different play style. Stock for heavies that like to jump in someone’s face already revved and mow them down (ambushing a lot more than those using the tomi) and the tomislav for those who like to play a little more defensively, keeping their distance and not just jumping in at any moment.
    In addition, the Huo-long is like stock where you do a lot of damage up close and rewards you for ambushing the enemy team at point blank
    The Natasha is similar to the tomi where it isn’t the best for ambushing, but instead its good for defense. (Especially with the resistance and spin up time) it also has a pretty quiet rev, not silent though.
    The Brass beast is just bad. Very situational

    • @toadtexas
      @toadtexas 5 років тому

      The Brass Beast Is Extemely Situational, BUT it can Destroy a team of enemys pushing a cart, if he has a medic or two stuck up his [NA], so yeah situational

  • @viktorstade
    @viktorstade 4 роки тому +36

    If you do the math, asuming all shots hit and no random damage modifier. The stock will kill anything that takes longer than 1.74 seconds (including rev up time) faster than the tommy.
    This means there must be something wrong with your short range damage test. It's either that not all shots hit or it's the random damage modifier.
    Tf2 has a random modifier for all bullet weapons where it adds or subtracts about 100 units of range randomly from each hit. This can have altered the test.
    I have no stake in this argument, but that test does not align with the stats of the weapons.

    • @Kono_Dio-Da
      @Kono_Dio-Da 4 роки тому +6

      Thats fair, but both Comp and Casual use random bullet damage, so it makes more sense in an actual gameplay environment.

    • @viktorstade
      @viktorstade 4 роки тому +14

      @@Kono_Dio-Da Having high randomness in a test you only perform once trying to determine something definitively is very missleading. I don't see why he did't just use the numbers for this, it's not like it should alter the conclution. This test is not all that important.

    • @ghiblix4601
      @ghiblix4601 4 роки тому

      No

    • @ghiblix4601
      @ghiblix4601 4 роки тому

      Tomi better ez

    • @samurailobster6561
      @samurailobster6561 4 роки тому +3

      @@viktorstade that’s on paper, if it simply doesn’t work in practice it’s wrong.

  • @analizin
    @analizin 5 років тому +93

    In my oppinion, the winner is...
    Natasha, cuz you go like “Now he has no escape"

    • @davisdf3064
      @davisdf3064 4 роки тому +3

      I see that you are a man of cUwUlture as well

    • @analizin
      @analizin 4 роки тому +7

      Just because I said "OwO" once, doesn't mean I am a furry you stereotypical judge

    • @analizin
      @analizin 4 роки тому +2

      @@danghd2 Hmm yes very funny

    • @davisdf3064
      @davisdf3064 4 роки тому +1

      @@analizin
      He said that you are a furry, he's very funny, can't stop laughing, omg xD

    • @pudie8952
      @pudie8952 4 роки тому +1

      Ah, the classic nonsense hate, pure late 2010s, I'll miss this someday and will look at it nostalgic even though it's bullshit

  • @thegooddoktor5017
    @thegooddoktor5017 5 років тому +6

    It’s nice to see the difference between two years and how much you’ve improved as both a UA-camr and just proper analysis. So yeah, good job.

  • @a3msty
    @a3msty 5 років тому +206

    As a main friendly i'm going to say that sandwich is the Best minigun.
    Pros:
    +Perfect accuracy
    +Almost no one will be able to kill you
    Cons:
    - +150% chance of getting kicked
    -PoOtIs

  • @Niiue
    @Niiue 5 років тому +59

    Both are good.
    Minigun for close to medium range
    Tomislav for long to medium range
    I like to use both depending on the map.
    Really, this whole debate could be ended by saying “It depends on the map.”

    • @thinkublu
      @thinkublu 5 років тому +7

      Except the tomi is still uber strong close up, especially with the higher rev up.

    • @Niiue
      @Niiue 5 років тому +9

      You have a point. But in close quarters map the enemies are probably grouped together, this comes into play with the crowd control of the stock.

    • @KLIXORthe
      @KLIXORthe 5 років тому +4

      @@Niiue even then they'll be running from you, which makes the tomislavs accuracy important again, especially against slimmer non-heavy hitboxes. plus you can ambush with a fully revved minigun due to silent spinup. so the tomislav can still match the minigun in that situation, and outperform it everywhere else.

    • @Niiue
      @Niiue 5 років тому

      rart animations To each their own i guess.

    • @KLIXORthe
      @KLIXORthe 5 років тому +2

      ​@@Niiue that phrase has to do with opinion, nothing I just said has to do with my opinion.

  • @FredChuck64
    @FredChuck64 3 роки тому +4

    Just the fact that the Tomislav is practically silent is a substantial upgrade in of itself.

  • @bende384
    @bende384 5 років тому

    These cutaways are just hysteric man! :D

  • @lathonland
    @lathonland 5 років тому +28

    The reason Joey takes so long on his videos is he needs to find the strangest clips on the internet for his intro

  • @robotomite1436
    @robotomite1436 5 років тому +50

    I wish I wasn't the 1 out of 3 heavy mains in tf2

    • @dbharu2489
      @dbharu2489 5 років тому +3

      🖥🖨
      🖱

    • @dbharu2489
      @dbharu2489 5 років тому

      @bolt no that's a computer

    • @rallakos
      @rallakos 5 років тому +3

      im the heavy main that uses the brass beast and calls himself sentry gun, what do you mean?

    • @SamDavidComposer
      @SamDavidComposer 5 років тому

      im looking for heavys on my comp team. do you think you could fill that space for us?

    • @rallakos
      @rallakos 5 років тому

      @@SamDavidComposer I know I can

  • @margon9181
    @margon9181 5 років тому +59

    11:08 The chat had me in stitches.

  • @lambda760
    @lambda760 Рік тому +1

    A few things id like to add
    From my experiences heavy vs heavy fights in actual gameplay usually come down to the health of both heavies and whether or not the element of suprise is involved in the situation, with the suprised usually losing.
    I find that one advantge that the minigun has compared to the tomislav is that if you're already fully revved the higher close range damage and higher spread makes it easier and quicker to kill enemies that are flanking you like scouts and pyros, sometimes saving you in situations where the tomisla simply does nothave the DPS needed to kill tge enemy in time, however, unrevved the tomislav usually wins out as it allows you to respond quicker to such attacks.

  • @georgeheld1901
    @georgeheld1901 4 роки тому +5

    I’ve only got to use the Tommyslav once or twice when someone drops it, and I’m about 2x as effective with it as with stock, I hope I unlock it soon

    • @0Dexter00
      @0Dexter00 2 роки тому +1

      Well...? Did you unlock it?

    • @georgeheld1901
      @georgeheld1901 2 роки тому

      @@0Dexter00 yeah I think I bought it for like 5 cents lol

  • @jsj0520
    @jsj0520 5 років тому +8

    0:47 the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit

  • @m3mple174
    @m3mple174 5 років тому +14

    I came here so soon that the quality for the vid is 360p

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 5 років тому +1

      Same here.

    • @m3mple174
      @m3mple174 5 років тому

      @@DinnerForkTongue the quality is still 360p halp

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 5 років тому +1

      Give it time, boys, UA-cam is a slow boy that takes his sweet time compressing higher resolutions.

  • @Hawkborne
    @Hawkborne 5 років тому +4

    This is the biggest Heavy-related debate aside from the internal struggle with oneself regarding whether or not you should crouch jump around the corner into the whole team.

  • @azazel5518
    @azazel5518 3 роки тому +1

    I kinda prefer stock simply because it feels more fun to shoot with it as it roars across the whole map
    intimidation can be useful sometimes and I have found out that even dying to a tomislav felt less fun than dying to a minigun

  • @Canthinkofaname-v9o
    @Canthinkofaname-v9o 3 роки тому +2

    0:52 joey : tomislav
    Capitals "Thomas Love" take it or leave it

  • @snaves274
    @snaves274 5 років тому +44

    I could tell you were going to pick Tomislav from the second you said what the categories were. Stealth? Honestly, that’s negligible. Most pub players aren’t listening close enough to hear a mini gun revved up anyway.

    • @grapejuice5294
      @grapejuice5294 5 років тому +6

      lest ye be a medic whom'st just had his entire team push a corner with an obvious sticky trap. Then you notice the sound of your inevitable demise.

    • @snaves274
      @snaves274 5 років тому +3

      True that

  • @remuvs
    @remuvs 5 років тому +80

    Personally I prefer Stock.
    Yes, the Tomislav is more effective when fighting at further ranges compared to the normal Minigun. But the difference is barely noticeable when it’s outside of a controlled environment, there’s the chaos of a pub going on and other team members firing at the enemy Heavy.
    But at the end of the day, if you can make a certain minigun work better than every other minigun, then use it.

    • @cuppedcup
      @cuppedcup 4 роки тому

      Agreed

    • @sirrivet9557
      @sirrivet9557 4 роки тому +10

      One advantage to the minigun is that there is virtually no delay between shots. It’s constant fire with no breaks

    • @krypt1ccc739
      @krypt1ccc739 4 роки тому +3

      so basically you disagree bcus chaos? you think stats don't matter and the fact that the tomislav has better dps almost everywhere bcus other people are shooting. So tell me you want to do less damage and it doesn't matter to you despite you being fully aware of this. I'm a stats type of person but still it just sounds pretty stupid what you said if you take another point of view. Tomislav 95% of time better lets use the other one bcus other things happen like it baffles me tbh im lost gone bye

    • @cuppedcup
      @cuppedcup 4 роки тому +3

      kRystal159 I like the minigun due to its design

    • @krypt1ccc739
      @krypt1ccc739 4 роки тому +2

      @@cuppedcup i cant really argue with that bcus you dont seem to care enough about the dps but im always competitive so it confuses me for him to basically say the tomi is better but im going to use stock with no reason except i cant notice the difference even thought i know it is better

  • @norahsnewgroove
    @norahsnewgroove 5 років тому +6

    Truthfully, I only use the Minigun because I see it as; "The gun counterpart to screaming". The Tomislav is too quiet, doesn't excite me. Stock? I feel like I'm experiencing a plane crash!

    • @cerocero2817
      @cerocero2817 5 років тому +1

      WE BOIZ GO FOR THE DAKKA!!

  • @MadamApocolips
    @MadamApocolips 3 роки тому +1

    "Dont belive me? Check this out" *ad plays*

  • @ANANHDLOLMAN2
    @ANANHDLOLMAN2 6 місяців тому

    Lowering the gameplays volume in this clip you actually can hear the spy uncloaking but big joey gave the gameplay a fade in effect to the gameplay sound here at 6:24

  • @macotello6809
    @macotello6809 5 років тому +21

    Wierd thing is I've been able to flank better with stock cos every Tomi heavy I see doesnt flank

  • @biggie8173
    @biggie8173 5 років тому +5

    I agree with your opinions but the one reason i use the stock minigun
    Because its the sexiest looking minigun scaring every tomislav user away with its lucious barrels of doom
    *ahem* ye

  • @Jessie_Helms
    @Jessie_Helms 5 років тому +59

    “What’s better, stock or tomi?”
    “What’s better, sandwich or dolokos?”
    Stop answering questions like this.
    “What we REALLY want to know is Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities- What do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let’s Find Out.”
    Smh.

    • @ogonplayzgames7823
      @ogonplayzgames7823 5 років тому +1

      ....... Why??? Just why?

    • @Jessie_Helms
      @Jessie_Helms 5 років тому +4

      OgonPlayzGames
      *slams first on table*
      WE NEED TO KNOW GOSH DANG IT!

    • @ogonplayzgames7823
      @ogonplayzgames7823 5 років тому +1

      @@Jessie_Helms I THINK NOT (spy line if you didn't notice)

    • @Jessie_Helms
      @Jessie_Helms 5 років тому +1

      OgonPlayzGames oh I think so

    • @Jessie_Helms
      @Jessie_Helms 4 роки тому

      Robert Allan well I’d say at least 57 of us do since they liked the clearly BoJack inspired comment

  • @haywiredz2929
    @haywiredz2929 4 роки тому

    ayo AYO That hat in time music is hitting different, u got mad taste

  • @isaacj.sanders2563
    @isaacj.sanders2563 4 роки тому +1

    It was a good break down I like your videos and nothing against you but the comparison points are clearly geared to one or the other. So if I could I have a suggestion to instead which is better make it more of a “which gun fits your play style better”. But keep up the good work.

  • @pixelbarti9507
    @pixelbarti9507 5 років тому +46

    I know that you like blowing stuff up with tnt from playing on your MC server

  • @bradb.9248
    @bradb.9248 5 років тому +6

    I would use median data due to the spread with the Minigun, but great video

  • @NotSpecialDude
    @NotSpecialDude 5 років тому +13

    I really do dislike that the tomislav is a better weapon then stock but I dont want to take away what makes it unique to nerf it.
    Honestly one change would balance it to an acceptable level, and it wouldnt impact anything other then its survivability.
    "Cannot refill ammo while revved"
    With this change , the tomislav becomes the roamer/ 1v1 weapon its accuracy implies it to be. But when you try to deal with crowds, ammo or damage will be a concern as you sacrifice your rev or ammo to stay in long/crowded fights.

    • @vladsilivasan4175
      @vladsilivasan4175 5 років тому

      Good thinking dude

    • @moojesticcookie1456
      @moojesticcookie1456 4 роки тому

      @Zesty Zucc I was thinking of a nerf like that or even just nerfing the tomi’s ammo so it has like 175-150 ammo.

    • @D8W2P4
      @D8W2P4 4 роки тому

      How about instead of nerfing the shit class's somewhat functional weapons you get on Valve's ass to make said shit class actually viable.
      Fucking smoothbrains.

  • @bucket1442
    @bucket1442 4 роки тому +1

    They both do pew pew, and that's enough.

  • @radoaron8324
    @radoaron8324 4 роки тому +1

    Hol, shit the transition to accuracy is magical

  • @chickenkiev6851
    @chickenkiev6851 4 роки тому +3

    I personally prefer stock, idk why but it feels more comfortable for me. Great video though, I do agree that the tomi is better on paper, and I liked that u actually gave a decision instead of just calling it a tie

  • @hometimemayhem928
    @hometimemayhem928 4 роки тому +3

    Everyone: talking about brass beast
    Me: *crying in huo-long heater*

    • @hometimemayhem928
      @hometimemayhem928 4 роки тому

      @Kattos _ you shut it the huo long can make the enemy team be wiped in close quarters

  • @smittywerbenjagermanjensen7027
    @smittywerbenjagermanjensen7027 4 роки тому +4

    A good heavy will always be revved when he needs to be, so imo, rev time plays a very minimal role in damage. I rarely have much trouble with it and the difference in damage (as shown by the video) is negligible most of the time.

  • @dapperdino6044
    @dapperdino6044 4 роки тому +1

    9:22 IM GOING TO DO THE FORK IN THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL.

  • @tsardudebroii
    @tsardudebroii 4 роки тому

    the hardbass section is Slav King by Life of Boris and DJ Blyatman for anyone wondering

  • @TheDinohunterify
    @TheDinohunterify 5 років тому +5

    In general I use Stock (Or the beast if I wanna make people mad) on defense, and tomi (or the dragon) on offense

  • @selfloathinggameing
    @selfloathinggameing 5 років тому +17

    Everyone fighting over stock vs tomi but only us real pro heavies use the only true minigun HuaLong Heater

    • @sandwichboy1268
      @sandwichboy1268 4 роки тому

      When you wanna play pyro but don't want to be accused of wm1

    • @johnny420xxx
      @johnny420xxx 4 роки тому

      I love natascha. It gives your team serious advantage by slowing everyone down. I love to play it or when some other hoovy plays it

  • @Caragoner
    @Caragoner 4 роки тому +3

    Personally, I find the stock minigun better for a defensive play while the Tomislav is better for an offense play

  • @eddyfumo9542
    @eddyfumo9542 7 місяців тому +1

    To be honest, I use the brass beast when I’m on defense
    Please don’t blame me for this

  • @CallMeEmber
    @CallMeEmber 4 роки тому +1

    I love how the background music is a hat in time

  • @limptoast
    @limptoast 5 років тому +11

    It is eather TomiSLAV or TomiNah.
    Im sorry.

  • @kennyandsarahwood6262
    @kennyandsarahwood6262 4 роки тому +3

    Stock it good with defense. Tomislav is good offensive.
    Edit: I use it for sneaking past the enemy to destroy a sentry alot.

    • @TeaserTravlein
      @TeaserTravlein 3 роки тому

      Defense u say? No friend. The best minigun for defense is the brass beast

  • @Jakebun_
    @Jakebun_ 5 років тому +13

    The Minigun looks cooler, therefore it’s better

  • @JoeyGames123
    @JoeyGames123 2 роки тому +1

    i love how joey placed bedrock around the TNT just to protect his house and pc

  • @comicdell1889
    @comicdell1889 4 роки тому

    The visuals in this vid are beautyfull good job joey

  • @Neopolitan420
    @Neopolitan420 5 років тому +6

    360p gang on a BJSN video? First time ever

  • @mattymatt1283
    @mattymatt1283 5 років тому +5

    6:44 Dunkey just comes out of nowhere to talk about how good he is as a spy.

    • @saltyrust2610
      @saltyrust2610 4 роки тому +1

      Dunkey?

    • @johnny420xxx
      @johnny420xxx 4 роки тому +1

      That thing he did was so nooby. First disguise evrytime. Second, don't cloak without any reason

    • @mattymatt1283
      @mattymatt1283 4 роки тому

      @@saltyrust2610 It's a shorter name for videogamedunkey. He's popular from him giving a review to Knack 2.

    • @saltyrust2610
      @saltyrust2610 4 роки тому +1

      @@mattymatt1283 to me it didn't sound like dunkey. So your view point wrong and you are biased goodbye. And remember assassin's Creed is a good franchise

    • @mattymatt1283
      @mattymatt1283 4 роки тому

      Salty Rust damn........... now that one hurt.

  • @TheKatera4a
    @TheKatera4a 4 роки тому +3

    8:05
    Ah, I see you are a Slav of culture as well.

  • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad
    @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad 5 місяців тому +1

    This video was released when people thought the heavy update was right around the corner…

  • @stewie1237
    @stewie1237 4 роки тому

    Why did this need a video? The end result was guaranteed.

  • @soluz1605
    @soluz1605 5 років тому +8

    The silent rev makes almost no diff, ppl cant even hear me decloak when there's no explosions or anything