GREAT Video so THANK YOU ! Just a bit of "BONUS" Advice --> 1) Stuff a towel into the engine under the cam chain & spread it out. This will prevent anything from falling into the engine. Like the Spring, bolt of plastic pin etc .. for example 2 ) Use a small clamp or zip-tie to hold the assembly together & prevent the backing plate from separating after you remove the last bolt. 3 ) Clean the bolts with alcohol or light solvent & add a tiny bit of ( Loctite ) to each bolt before re-assembling. This will make it much less likely that any bolts will back out. This is a HUGE money saver. THANK GOD for UA-cam !
All this work to fix a noise that literally doesn’t affect anything 😂 mine has been doing it for over 100,000 miles. It’s at almost 300,000 and still running great!
Hi bro. How can you be certain that this is the actual issue, (the spring)? I saw another video doing the same fix, but why Honda can't come up with this simple fix? Thanks
@@jorgegarcia7005 haha that's wassup, I own an fg2 myself too, just did a head rebuild and started hearing that rattle noise on cold starts, I'm about to do what you did and see if the noise goes away I also believe I might have adjusted the valves wrong since it was my first time doing it
You have any experience on 2008 accord 2.4L? I have a neighbors I’m working on and can’t figure out the hard start with P2647 & P0962, throws code instantly and can’t get car out of limp mode. vetc pressure sensor is good
Well. One code is for the vtec solenoid and the other is for your transmission A solenoid pressure low. I suggest removing the vtec solenoid and inspecting for a clogged filter screen and checking for proper transmission fluid level and or correct honda transmission fluid.
@@jorgegarcia7005 thank you for the quick reply! I’ll pull it off again but pretty sure I checked at cleaned all the screens already, nothing looked blocked. You think replace the whole unit and would that cause a hard start? It originally cranks for a while, then runs a little rough at first but then idles normal up until around 3k rpm
The only replacement option is to replace the entire gear. Stretching the spring is a quick fix. Not fixing this issue may add unwanted impact to timing components that may accelerate components wear.
I read that VTC noise that occurs only during cold weather can be eliminated by installing a block heater. They had a Honda heater installed by the dealership. Does anyone know if this would work? I’d definitely try it, before having the VTC replaced, since the cost is over $800. Thanks.
Hi..my k20a engine got rattle sound at low rpm..i had change vtc pulley then the rattle sound gone.but after 2 weeks rattle sound comeback..any idea how to solve?
Mine didn't have any plastic piece,just a spring.Moreover my VTC was replaced according to bulletin. And problem repeated. Strenghtening the spring didn't solve the rattle
I have a 2004 SiR with 150,000 mi on it. Only when temperatures get below freezing outside do I get a 1-2sec rattle. I got no codes or symptoms other then the rattle. What can happen if I leave it alone. I dont really need to drive it in real cold weather.
Hey bro i did this job the way you are saying it by buying the spring start kit and installing it. The noise was still there. So i took it apart again and noticed the chain was loose when i would crank it by hand. Which lead me to think thats the real reason why it make the noise on start up but when it was fully warmed up it would go away. So i started overthinking and thought the gear wasnt locked in place i yanked on the cam clockwise and now i have a p0341 code. My first question is why wpuld my chain be loose? possiblly failing tensioner leading to a stretched chain? And what damage could i have done by yanking on the cam clockwise trying to lock a already locked gear? Note: the engine was already on the car the only thing that was apart was the valve cover nothing else was removed.
@yerrrrrr your chain should be fairly tight, if your tensioner is failing it can cause a rattle as well as the vtc. You should look at the k20z3 manual and look at the chain stretch tolerance. If I could post a picture of the measuring point I would.
Spring-Start vtc has a kit with new VTC actuator springs and the bit included. The different kits they stock fit most Hondas and Acuras. There are instructions including torque and troubleshooting as well. We use 8ftlbs.
i dont have the rattle on cold starts, but i get a rattle when revving it in quick burst to around 4-5k, timing was off a bit so i ordered a chain, gonna pull off the vtc tomorro, im just worried cuz everyone seems to get the rattle only on cold starts?? or can this happen upon acceleration?
It may be possible that you are not making enough oil pressure causing the cavity in the gear to lose oil until the pressure catches up. I would hook up an oil pressure gauge to test. A possible cause of low pressure would be piston oil squirters stuck open.
Now, being that I haven't heard the actual engine it also may be possible that you valves may need adjustment. Another possibility is that your vtc filter may be a bit clogged. I'm referring to the little square one behind the idler pulleys.
Hey my guy I have 2010 fg2 and have a similar problem and can show you a video do you have a insta where I can dm you ? I’m trying to figure out the issue and can’t and been asking everywhere
Will the vtc rattle cause the chain to jump timing eventually? My 08 fg2 has been doing it for about 3 years now & it currently sitting at 266k kms with fbo & E tune, I recently replaced my valve cover gasket & checked the chain while I was in there & it was still tight & looking good
@@stinkfart697 Glad to hear you experienced the rattle noise for 3 yrs with no catastrophic failure . My 2012 Fit (98,000 miles) makes the noise for a second before it starts, but only in cold weather. I wonder if it’s worth having the Honda service people check it out? I hear VTC replacement costs $1,200 or so.
@@jonboz7585 changed my timing chain tensioner 2 months ago & it caused my chain to skip a tooth because the guy who did it didn't align the timing marks or anything, but the funny thing is it still drives but just got no vtec & the engine has no power above 4k rpm lol, must've only jumped a tooth
GREAT Video so THANK YOU ! Just a bit of "BONUS" Advice -->
1) Stuff a towel into the engine under the cam chain & spread it out. This will prevent anything from falling into the engine. Like the Spring, bolt of plastic pin etc .. for example
2 ) Use a small clamp or zip-tie to hold the assembly together & prevent the backing plate from separating after you remove the last bolt.
3 ) Clean the bolts with alcohol or light solvent & add a tiny bit of ( Loctite ) to each bolt before re-assembling. This will make it much less likely that any bolts will back out.
This is a HUGE money saver.
THANK GOD for UA-cam !
A very good point.
The amount of 8th gen’s in your driveway ❤️❤️❤️
Stick something behind it like cardboard so it doesnt separate , this solved my probelm thanks
I have done this repair on my 2014 CRV and it fixed the issue.
Legit.
That still working? The 2014 CRVs typically need a extreme VTC spring.
All this work to fix a noise that literally doesn’t affect anything 😂 mine has been doing it for over 100,000 miles. It’s at almost 300,000 and still running great!
Some people would rather not hear the noise.
It does affect something. It affects my sanity
i hate unnecessary noise
Holy shit your car is a tank lmao good shit.
lmaooo, what car you got?
I just did it it does in fact work
Exactly what I needed to hear thanks😂
Thanks for posting, I’ll tackle this this weekend hopefully.
Springstart vtc - has new springs for this!
Just replace the VTC actuator locking pin spring to save money, time and risk of timing upset. "springstart VTC'
Hi bro. How can you be certain that this is the actual issue, (the spring)? I saw another video doing the same fix, but why Honda can't come up with this simple fix? Thanks
Damn my boy, how many 8th gen coupes do you own 🤣
Six and an ek that I may k swap soon
@@jorgegarcia7005 haha that's wassup, I own an fg2 myself too, just did a head rebuild and started hearing that rattle noise on cold starts, I'm about to do what you did and see if the noise goes away
I also believe I might have adjusted the valves wrong since it was my first time doing it
Just did it 🎉🎉🎉🎉 thanks
Bro, those bolts are a bitch to remove. They strip so easy. Have you ever run into that problem?
@gfriedman99 it's easier with an 3/8 drive impact wrench and a torque bit.
Thank you very much for your video...for a 2014 Honda crv...what number of tork 5 point wrench do I need to loosen the vtc bolts.....
T30 torx
Great information 👍
Great... So, do you think it could be changed the spring for another stronger with the same dimensions..??
Anybody know what size is the spring of where I can get one ?
spring start vtc
You have any experience on 2008 accord 2.4L? I have a neighbors I’m working on and can’t figure out the hard start with P2647 & P0962, throws code instantly and can’t get car out of limp mode. vetc pressure sensor is good
Well. One code is for the vtec solenoid and the other is for your transmission A solenoid pressure low. I suggest removing the vtec solenoid and inspecting for a clogged filter screen and checking for proper transmission fluid level and or correct honda transmission fluid.
@@jorgegarcia7005 thank you for the quick reply! I’ll pull it off again but pretty sure I checked at cleaned all the screens already, nothing looked blocked. You think replace the whole unit and would that cause a hard start? It originally cranks for a while, then runs a little rough at first but then idles normal up until around 3k rpm
We have a 2012 Accord SE, exhibits a quick rattle(
The only replacement option is to replace the entire gear. Stretching the spring is a quick fix. Not fixing this issue may add unwanted impact to timing components that may accelerate components wear.
I read that VTC noise that occurs only during cold weather can be eliminated by installing a block heater. They had a Honda heater installed by the dealership. Does anyone know if this would work? I’d definitely try it, before having the VTC replaced, since the cost is over $800. Thanks.
I don't have any experience with that. Mine have never rattled during cold weather.
Hi..my k20a engine got rattle sound at low rpm..i had change vtc pulley then the rattle sound gone.but after 2 weeks rattle sound comeback..any idea how to solve?
Probably bad oil squirters lowering oil pressure and the timing chain tensioner is loosing tension.
@@jorgegarcia7005 i already change new tensioner and timing chain..if oil low pressure.what i should check?oil pump?
I have a rattle in mine. But not at start up. Only when light on throttle and around 4K rpm. What could it be?
It may be possible that you need a valve adjustment.
Definitely need mine replaced, you stay in cali?
NC
Torque for those bold 8Ft-lbs? or just snug i guess.
Yes, 96 in/lbs (8 ft/lbs) and replace the Torx with socket cap screws of hex flange bolts - size M6x1x30mm.
Mine didn't have any plastic piece,just a spring.Moreover my VTC was replaced according to bulletin. And problem repeated. Strenghtening the spring didn't solve the rattle
I've never seen one without the plastic piece. It may be possible that it fell when pulling the cover off.
Same
By any chance, was it an Accord and what did you eventually do? Is it fine to just disregard it? Thx
I have a 2004 SiR with 150,000 mi on it. Only when temperatures get below freezing outside do I get a 1-2sec rattle. I got no codes or symptoms other then the rattle. What can happen if I leave it alone. I dont really need to drive it in real cold weather.
Thank you for making this
How long does this stretched spring technique last?
Mine has been good for over 3 years.
@@jorgegarcia7005 good to know, thanks!
Hey bro i did this job the way you are saying it by buying the spring start kit and installing it. The noise was still there. So i took it apart again and noticed the chain was loose when i would crank it by hand. Which lead me to think thats the real reason why it make the noise on start up but when it was fully warmed up it would go away. So i started overthinking and thought the gear wasnt locked in place i yanked on the cam clockwise and now i have a p0341 code. My first question is why wpuld my chain be loose? possiblly failing tensioner leading to a stretched chain? And what damage could i have done by yanking on the cam clockwise trying to lock a already locked gear? Note: the engine was already on the car the only thing that was apart was the valve cover nothing else was removed.
@yerrrrrr your chain should be fairly tight, if your tensioner is failing it can cause a rattle as well as the vtc. You should look at the k20z3 manual and look at the chain stretch tolerance. If I could post a picture of the measuring point I would.
@@jorgegarcia7005 do you have instagram
@@jorgegarcia7005 do you have ig?
What type of torx bit required to unscrew those bolts on the vtc sprocket?
TS30 (it is not 6 but 5 beam)
So you don’t need to dead center your engine ?
@@imadfree no. You are not removing the timing chain.
@@jorgegarcia7005 thank you, I’ll do this today.
Good point with video explain. Thanks
Nice, well done.
Do I need to get a new valve cover gasket? Something has been mentioned about making sure its locked to cam? 2014 crv about 100k
I would only replace the valve cover gasket if hard and leaking
Oh also , do u recommend doing anything with the valve adjustment while in there?
I would since you have access to adjust them.
Is it recommended to fix ?
This almost seems like an irresponsible design by Honda
Do you have to put the timing up to top dead center before removing the spring?
Not at all.
This should work on the 9th gen si to?
I should work on all k series VTC gears.
Put a rag under it so it can't go into engine
1..little 2…little 5 little Hondas…. Damn dude
Can you please tell what torque should i use on those bolts?
Spring-Start vtc has a kit with new VTC actuator springs and the bit included.
The different kits they stock fit most Hondas and Acuras. There are instructions including torque and troubleshooting as well. We use 8ftlbs.
Cómo se llama la pieza para quitar el tornillo??
Crack, saludos desde Argentina! Te pregunto si lo dejo asi puede romper algo?
No se, pero no he visto algo malo causado por esto.
i dont have the rattle on cold starts, but i get a rattle when revving it in quick burst to around 4-5k, timing was off a bit so i ordered a chain, gonna pull off the vtc tomorro, im just worried cuz everyone seems to get the rattle only on cold starts?? or can this happen upon acceleration?
It may be possible that you are not making enough oil pressure causing the cavity in the gear to lose oil until the pressure catches up. I would hook up an oil pressure gauge to test. A possible cause of low pressure would be piston oil squirters stuck open.
Now, being that I haven't heard the actual engine it also may be possible that you valves may need adjustment. Another possibility is that your vtc filter may be a bit clogged. I'm referring to the little square one behind the idler pulleys.
Hey my guy I have 2010 fg2 and have a similar problem and can show you a video do you have a insta where I can dm you ? I’m trying to figure out the issue and can’t and been asking everywhere
What size torq bit did you use?
T30
what's the Torque?
Where are you located how much would you try to do my Honda
NC
Great tip. Are you in Southern California?
I'm in North Carolina. Lol
Will the vtc rattle cause the chain to jump timing eventually? My 08 fg2 has been doing it for about 3 years now & it currently sitting at 266k kms with fbo & E tune, I recently replaced my valve cover gasket & checked the chain while I was in there & it was still tight & looking good
The vtc rattle will not cause the chain to jump time. That would be a result of a weak or failure of the chain tensioner.
@@jorgegarcia7005 thank you for the info! I just ordered a new chain tensioner from Honda yesterday just to be safe🙌🏻
@@stinkfart697 Glad to hear you experienced the rattle noise for 3 yrs with no catastrophic failure . My 2012 Fit (98,000 miles) makes the noise for a second before it starts, but only in cold weather.
I wonder if it’s worth having the Honda service people check it out? I hear VTC replacement costs $1,200 or so.
guys how to check the chain tensioner ?! What should i looking for , except noise or loose chain
@@jonboz7585 changed my timing chain tensioner 2 months ago & it caused my chain to skip a tooth because the guy who did it didn't align the timing marks or anything, but the funny thing is it still drives but just got no vtec & the engine has no power above 4k rpm lol, must've only jumped a tooth
You in the Bay Area ? So you can do mine 😅
Sorry. In NC
Where you located
Nc
My shit sound like a small rattle and a supercharger 😂
Suggest looking at your idle puley.
holy blow nail
Can I call you about my
It works but sadly for a few days only
Your spring is too worn out.
I found a post the other day that mentioned a company called "spring start" they apparently sell a replacement spring. I'm going to get an try it.
@@jorgegarcia7005 no, i got a replacement kit and still didn’t worked.
@@jorgegarcia7005 thats the exact kit that I got, came with two spring but both are softer than the original one.
Waste your time if you like, but this procedure absolutely does NOT WORK!!!
how did you fix? what was wrong with yours?
Классс
Sr this is for accord 2008 2.4 too?