I had a P0011, and P1651, with loud rattling, can’t thank you enough! I saved $1800, I own a 2009 Honda Accord EXL with 88k miles, I went to Home Depot, bought 5 M60x30 bolts ($6.28), orange thread lock ($2.99), reused my original spring just stretched it and reinsert with new Home Depot screws with thread lock. Now all the codes went away and drives perfect again! The dealer was going to charge me for a new timing belt replacement, new actuator, new tensioner, whole new PZEV VVT, and oil change for $1800 without tax. Took me 30 minutes, Boom! Drove it and it was fine. It’s been 2 weeks now, drives normal and no rattling while start up and no rattling while driving! ❤❤❤❤
Thank you. It worked for me for Honda 2.4 engine with vtc in place. The only thing I would recommend for those who is planning to work on 2.4 Honda, to get a TS-30H (5 point star bit), you going need it to remove 5 bolts on vtc gear to get to the spring.
@094340 Don’t forget to use medium thread lock on all 5 vtc bolts when you put it back together, otherwise it will come apart. I used original spring just pulled it a little, original valve cover gasket ( use some black gasket maker on corners, same as you can see it’s done from manufacturer). Good luck to you if you doing this project.
Just did this today on my 2012 CRV. Easy enough to do if you have the right tools (1.5hrs). It did not completely stop the rattle, but significantly reduced how loud it was. I just bought a variety pack of compression springs and found one that fit and was longer/stiffer as stretching the spring didn't work for me. Maybe with a new oil change and some liqui-moly mos2 will stop it altogether. No check engine lights, still able to engage VTEC. Timing Chain looked fine and tight as well. Note: For the CRV, you need a 5 point T30 bit, not a 6 point like in Civics. Thank you man!
Thanks Tony, great to know info - it’s commonly thought that the vtc gear is defective, no matter which brand you get, people replace many times, even replacing a stretched timing chain - good thinking, $ saving 👍
I thought of this very thing: to just stretch out the spring. The mechanics want small fortunes to do this and want to replace the whole timing chain and the vtc gear. Thanks for the video.
Let us know how it goes bro, I'm trying to gather some confidence to do this myself. One thing that I heard though, is that the spring kit (from Spring Start) comes with instructions that also recommends replacing the chain tensioner as well, but you don't find out about it until you get the kit. The tensioner isn't the hardest job, but it's not the easiest either.
Dude i almost didnt watch the video because i thought it was gonna be bullshit but this is quite impressive man i actually did it on my FG2 and the cold start rattle is gone dude thank you so much!!! The best thing was how easy it was all you gotta do is take the valve cover off and thats it took me 45 mins bro thank you again. Im still going to install a new VTC cam gear when i do my cams but this is a great intirim.
Wow! What a relief to know that this could fix the rattle when I start my car. I thought it was oil starvation so I quit using Honda oil filter and switched to K&N filter but noise remained. I just adjusted valve lash on my 2013 Honda CRV so I am quite expert at removing valve cover. I am also thinking maybe I could go to a hardware store and purchase a new similar spring. Thank you for making this awesome video!
Hey @dateg18 I Have A Code P2647 “A” Rocker Arm Actuator System Stuck On Bank 1……Is It The VTec Spool Valve Solenoid?……Because I Do Have That Rattle When I Cold Start My Accord 2005 2.4L Gas……
Thank you so much. I have just done the same on my 2003 Toyota Caldina with the 1.8 litre 1ZZ FE engine. The VVTI cam rattle is gone, couldn't believe it.
I was just about to ask if this could be done on Toyota vvti rattle as I just got an older 1mzfe highlander that does it a split second on morning startups. Good to know!
Tim Boylan from Nova Scotia Canada. I really appreciate what you're showing me I could never understand why you had to replace the whole gear if it was only a spring problem which everybody was telling me or the information looked like that's what it was thank you very much I really appreciate this it will save me a pile of money
@timboylen7239 To be honest, just basic maintenance like spark, plugs I know. You can replace the fuel filter in the fuel tank. But I suggest you replace it if it's never a been place. A vavle job if the car has high mileage
@@dateg18 crvtbnsc- I thank you for that reply my CRV has 180,000 km on it I was wondering what you would recommend for me to put back in it for spark plugs I've looked in there so many different kinds I realize in GK is probably the best bet but which type I respect your advice and wish to thank you very much at this time
Thanks man, this was very helpful. I recently installed a JDM engine with supposedly 55k miles in my 13crv and it has been making that annoying rattle at startup ifbit sat for more than a couple hours. I did this spring trick last night, took maybe about an hour, car has been sitting for 16 hours and i just started it in 30F degree weather, i was super happy as it made no noise. Not sure if it will be a permanent fix but it was super easy to do and may at least buy me some time. :-). Ended up replacing vtc as rattle returned rather quickly. Also did the chain tensioner while i was in there.
If you stretch it, it'll just lose its tension again. Your best bet is to find a heavier spring. If you can't find that, place some washers under the spring to take up space, and restore the spring tension.
Terrible advice. The spring needs to be replaced, not shimmed or stretched. Also, the locking pin needs to be removed and worked over with some abrasives until it moves freely in and out of the detent that it locates into under the spring tension.
Thanks Man very informative video. I thought I was going to have to replace the whole from an earlier video I was watching. I’m glad I checked you out. I’m now subscribed to you. Thanks for taking time and explaining it. I just wish you had a video of you removing everything else from start to finish. I need to perform on my 2011 Honda Accord, Bless you!
i just did in my 16 ILX and it worked perfectly, the only difference that i saw was when i separated the plate from the cam it did not have the plastic piece that hold the spring. not sure if my motor does not use it but it didn’t have it. i took the spring, stretched it and put everything back together. started the engine and behold the rattle is gone. if anyone can confirm this info please let me know. regardless you saved me a ton of money, really appreciate it.
Wished i watched this video earlier, i just recently changed this part because of the rattle. I could’ve saved myself $700 dollas 😢. Oh well thanks for posting either way, if the rattle comes back i will now know what to do. Saving this video for reference. Thanks for the clear instructions.
Greatly appreciate what you shared. Does thing also is the cause on my Honda civic produces grinding/rattle noise in the morning(overnight park) from park to reverse.
Useful video, thanks. One thing: if stretching the spring doesn't work, and then you order the kit from Spring Start, it comes with a recommendation that you also replace the chain tensioner, in addition to swapping out the spring on the VTC. So, depending on your mechanical skills, you may or may not have a hard time with that. What bothers me is that apparently there is no mention of this 'prior' to buying the kit, so Spring Start is giving you the impression that just changing the spring will fix the problem. I wouldn't exactly call that shady, but I do think it's a pretty big omission.
When posting the video at the time, there was no replacement vtc spring available to buy, and yes, there is still a startup rattle. You should consider replacing the timming chain tensioner because they are faulty too and ppl I'm not a Professional mechanic. I have just been Fortunate enough to have friends that have worked for honda over the years I've been doing this since the early 90s.
@@dateg18 NP bro, I get that you are just trying to help...much appreciated. So, are you saying that you replaced the spring and still got the rattle? I'm about to order the spring kit and the tensioner, and give this thing a go. But first I want to see if my chain is stretched, if it is then I'll have to get that too. What a PITA, and Honda still doesn't have an official fix for this issue. By the way, I'm no mechanic either, but what I think I can do I'll try to do, and hope I don't F it up.
This seems to be happening on the 2.4 from 2008 through 2017. You think Honda engineers would have figured this out by now. Put a thicker gauge spring which is a .50 part. Problem solved.
@@tpc3416 Honda clearly just wants this issue to go away, they haven't had a service bulletin since 2017 on it, so we are stuck. My 2009 Accord is solid in every way, except for this VCT actuator. Even Honda mechanics are split 50/50...some say replace all the timing components, others say just keep topping off the oil. It's frustrating and aggravating to say the least.
It would depend on the year and model of the vehicle as well as milage if the TCT replacement is recommended. Often, replacing the VTC actuator locking spring alone resolves the issue. Some vehicles need a higher rate spring others the OEM design spring for best results.
WOW! The fact you did that with one hand holding a phone is REMARKABLE!!!!! Do you play guitar, bass or keyboards? Because you'd be good at that, too!! God bless you!!!
Thanks for this video, much simpler fix than replacing vtc gear and risking throwing off timing and having to loosen tensioner and mess with timing chain etc.!!!
Tony, Thanks for this video and your replies! My 2014 CRV only has 132k miles and rattles only after 2 days parked (oil drawdown) so i tried a few cautious pre-cranks to pre-lube the VTC and i cut my rattle durations significantly. Some even zero = eliminated rattle. I am going to buy a 10 second delay relay to try in my fuel pump relay function so my 1st 10 seconds of starter cranking is to spinup my oil pump and THEN switch on fuel to start. In my years in mine machinery we used an entire kit called “pre-lube” which pre spun oil pumps on 2,000hp Cummins and such TDI’s so that when cranked over all oil galleries were full and at oil psi. Comments ? Thanks in advance!
Well, you will be draining your battery and also wearing out your starter. That's a complex work-around for something that can just be fixed by addressing the root cause.
GOOD MAN ! Thank you ! This saved me a Ton of Cash & time. The fact that a slight increase in tension on a spring that might cost ( .30 cents ) Maybe ! that will completely fix a component that can cost ( $800+ ) is Ridiculous ! Honda should be better than this.
Wow ... Thanks for kind of easiest idea to try out. Looks Promising for brief sporadic noise I get when starting my 2008 4 cylinder Honda Accord with 125K miles on vehicle. ... I ordered a new cam chain tensioner thinking that could be source of noise to go after first; and will now try this spring fix first. Thanks. I will study your comments section next for the additional education. Thanks
@@RohitGeh I have not yet tackled this project. I will replace the spring first; see if spuractic noise goes away; and then replace cam chain tensioner if I still hear that noise. ... The results will be informative and interesting.
Just subbed to ya sir for this great video, thank you so much. My wife has a 2011 CRV that's had this rattle for years now. Honestly we've just dealt with it b/c we're in TX and it only shows up in the one month of cold we have. I'd like to fix it this winter, the engine has low mileage less than 90K. I've worked on older V6 and V8s but it's been awhile and I know these Honda is all aluminum. Any good videos on taking the cover off and torque specs? Thank you!
Thank you for posting the video. My 2013 crv makes this noise when i start it. That sound appears to be the only problem. Car otherwise runs fine. What other symptoms will i have?
I have the exact problem on my wife's 2011. Did you use a particular video for pull the valve cover off? I've worked on other engines but always feel more comfortable having a video to reference for new-to-me engines. Thanks!
@@johnnixon I bought gasket kit on Amazon and it came with everything you need …just get good RTV silicon for the corners on top of head.There are videos and torque specs out there ..And like I said no surprises other than there was no plastic piece inside spring.
If you take the 4 screws out while it’s on the cam the back won’t come apart because the cam bolt is holding pressure against the cam and the back of the vtc actuator
Could be, i think on mine the front and rear plate as well as outter gear housing are not connected to inner part of phaser that is bolted to cam. i just took a piece of corrugated cardboard and folded it in half, it made a perfect wedge to hold back plate from possibly moving
That's a fair assessment, but to be sure, use a folded piece of cardboard as a shim and in the middle of the fold cut out a semi-circle to go around the end of the camshaft.
I have done this on my own si, and it's been 2 years now, and not working just fine no problem I posted a link in my bio to a company that sell replacement vtc springs hope it help sir
@@tysonmirka7652 No ticking sound until engine is completely warmed up? Im asking because I did that spring thing and I don't know if that ticking sound was a coincidence, but it came out. It was the chain tensioner. I don't see how that spring could have any relation with the chain tensioner, but... It was a clapping sound until engine was hot and the sound was gone... But sadly my engine jumped many teeth and I had to swap it for a JDM engine, (more power). But that JDM also has that VTC rattle, so I'm a little stressed doing the spring thing again.
So i had same problem on a 2015 crv & accord i own. Found a mechanic who said to replace chain tensioner and it completely fixed problem he even said theres a TSB written about it. Fyi
I'll have to try this, I replaced the cam phaser on my 2011 Accord 7 years ago and within the past year it's started clattering every time I start it. The parts guy at Honda assured me that the phaser they sold me was the "updated" version even though it has the same part number.....BS. Being a mechanic I have absolutely no desire to work on my own vehicle so this will make my life a little easier if it works. I'm about due for my 200k valve adjustment and plug replacement (early) so I will try this instead of replacing the whole thing again. BTW, you have a white, Canadian cousin selling tools for Snap-on here in Texas, seriously, the similarities between you two are eerie.
This is good information. I'm at 107,00 on our CRV and it also has the rattle on cold start up. I know you recommended replacing the timing chain tensioner, do you think the timing chain itself would be stretched and need replacement at this point also? Thanks!
The newer actuators (read: R5A) have five-point Torx Plus screws instead. (Note that the R5A actuator can also rattle. It's not a panacea as they claim it to be.) If I find that to be incorrect I will update this comment.
Hola Gustavo, sabes de que medida es el torx plus (punta estrella) de los tornillos? Necesito comprarlo para poder desarmar ya que no es torx no multiestria no se que medida es...
Thank you for such an interesting video... I have a 2014 Honda crv with this problem, I want to know what number of 5-point tork key I need to remove the screws, thanks
I couldnt find the correct torx bit for my R44 VTC on my 2012 CRV 2.4L, so I replaced them with the exact length hex head bolt. But it still rattles worse on start up and has a squeek. I think those tox head bolts are assembled with tight tolerances and it has to be assembled correctly. I had to resort to replacing the VTC.
It's a T30 5-point Torx bit, and you want to get one that is a socket, not just a bare bit. Anything you can do to prevent anything from coming out and dropping - even with stuffing towels or whatever in the top of the timing cover. Not something you want to be losing in the middle of the job. Also, make sure it's made of S2 steel. The torque needed is 8 ft/lbs or 96 in/lbs.
What have your results been like now, two years after this post? Was it a one time fix or you have to consistently replace or fix the spring? If so, how often (miles) do you find yourself doing it?
So I have a 2018 fit that had that rattle a few times a week on cold starts. Is this a "this needs fixed immediately" kinda issue or a "it can wait within reason" It just started doing it, but it's not often. Some people on the honda fit reddit said it could be fine for years until it finally stretches the timing belt. I just don't have the know how or the money to have somone go in there and replace the spring.
Hello I did this in my Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol. the rattling is gone Is it possible that the spring is now too stretched? After starting the engine does not work evenly, errors p0351, p0352, p0340 appeared
I’m going to order the part but I’m no timing expert so I’m requesting quotes from local shops. The problem is, Al the shops are up selling recommending to replace the entire timing chain, tensioner, etc. it’s ridiculous.
Can all the vtc cover bolts be removed while installed on a Honda CR-V , or, is the timing cover in the way on the bottom half of the VTC to be able to remove the lower bolts?. Or is it ok to simply rotate the engine to ppsition the bolts higher for access ?
@ericaviator8869 the timming cover is not in the way at the bottom just turn the main pulley to the tbc mark and remove the vavle cover when u put the motor at TDC the point on the vtc cam will be at the very stop you will see it on the back of the vtc gear
I had a P0011, and P1651, with loud rattling, can’t thank you enough! I saved $1800, I own a 2009 Honda Accord EXL with 88k miles, I went to Home Depot, bought 5 M60x30 bolts ($6.28), orange thread lock ($2.99), reused my original spring just stretched it and reinsert with new Home Depot screws with thread lock. Now all the codes went away and drives perfect again! The dealer was going to charge me for a new timing belt replacement, new actuator, new tensioner, whole new PZEV VVT, and oil change for $1800 without tax. Took me 30 minutes, Boom! Drove it and it was fine. It’s been 2 weeks now, drives normal and no rattling while start up and no rattling while driving! ❤❤❤❤
Actually was a P2651 not P01651
Thank you. It worked for me for Honda 2.4 engine with vtc in place.
The only thing I would recommend for those who is planning to work on 2.4 Honda, to get a TS-30H (5 point star bit), you going need it to remove 5 bolts on vtc gear to get to the spring.
Of course, my tool kit only goes to TS-20H, thanks for the heads up.
@094340 Don’t forget to use medium thread lock on all 5 vtc bolts when you put it back together, otherwise it will come apart. I used original spring just pulled it a little, original valve cover gasket ( use some black gasket maker on corners, same as you can see it’s done from manufacturer). Good luck to you if you doing this project.
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Just did this today on my 2012 CRV. Easy enough to do if you have the right tools (1.5hrs). It did not completely stop the rattle, but significantly reduced how loud it was. I just bought a variety pack of compression springs and found one that fit and was longer/stiffer as stretching the spring didn't work for me. Maybe with a new oil change and some liqui-moly mos2 will stop it altogether. No check engine lights, still able to engage VTEC.
Timing Chain looked fine and tight as well.
Note: For the CRV, you need a 5 point T30 bit, not a 6 point like in Civics.
Thank you man!
Also if u have over 100k miles replace the timming chain tensioner
On the 2013 accord do you think I need a 5 point as well
Where did you find your 5 point T 30
@@ericwalker6543 Autozone/PartSource/ Theres a bunch on amazon as well.
I have the same problem
Thanks Tony, great to know info - it’s commonly thought that the vtc gear is defective, no matter which brand you get, people replace many times, even replacing a stretched timing chain - good thinking, $ saving 👍
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I thought of this very thing: to just stretch out the spring. The mechanics want small fortunes to do this and want to replace the whole timing chain and the vtc gear.
Thanks for the video.
I just got this rattle for the first time this morning on cold start at 220k miles. I’m gonna try this
Let us know how it goes bro, I'm trying to gather some confidence to do this myself. One thing that I heard though, is that the spring kit (from Spring Start) comes with instructions that also recommends replacing the chain tensioner as well, but you don't find out about it until you get the kit. The tensioner isn't the hardest job, but it's not the easiest either.
@@094340 SO did you replace something already? just the spring or with the tensioner as well?
Great men make a big difference,and help anyone in the world with car problems,god bless you
@@michaelmachiavelli9480 glad I could help
Dude i almost didnt watch the video because i thought it was gonna be bullshit but this is quite impressive man i actually did it on my FG2 and the cold start rattle is gone dude thank you so much!!! The best thing was how easy it was all you gotta do is take the valve cover off and thats it took me 45 mins bro thank you again.
Im still going to install a new VTC cam gear when i do my cams but this is a great intirim.
Good to here it worked out sir
Wow! What a relief to know that this could fix the rattle when I start my car. I thought it was oil starvation so I quit using Honda oil filter and switched to K&N filter but noise remained. I just adjusted valve lash on my 2013 Honda CRV so I am quite expert at removing valve cover. I am also thinking maybe I could go to a hardware store and purchase a new similar spring. Thank you for making this awesome video!
Someone sent me a link to a company that sells upgrades spring if I find the link I'll send it to you sir
Hey @dateg18 I Have A Code P2647 “A” Rocker Arm Actuator System Stuck On Bank 1……Is It The VTec Spool Valve Solenoid?……Because I Do Have That Rattle When I Cold Start My Accord 2005 2.4L Gas……
Thank you so much. I have just done the same on my 2003 Toyota Caldina with the 1.8 litre 1ZZ FE engine. The VVTI cam rattle is gone, couldn't believe it.
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Were you able to do this without removing the cam gear from the camshaft on your Toyota?
I was just about to ask if this could be done on Toyota vvti rattle as I just got an older 1mzfe highlander that does it a split second on morning startups.
Good to know!
Tim Boylan from Nova Scotia Canada. I really appreciate what you're showing me I could never understand why you had to replace the whole gear if it was only a spring problem which everybody was telling me or the information looked like that's what it was thank you very much I really appreciate this it will save me a pile of money
No problem sir
@@dateg18 what do you recommend to increase my gas mileage with this vehicle
@timboylen7239 To be honest, just basic maintenance like spark, plugs I know. You can replace the fuel filter in the fuel tank. But I suggest you replace it if it's never a been place. A vavle job if the car has high mileage
@@dateg18 crvtbnsc- I thank you for that reply my CRV has 180,000 km on it I was wondering what you would recommend for me to put back in it for spark plugs I've looked in there so many different kinds I realize in GK is probably the best bet but which type I respect your advice and wish to thank you very much at this time
@@timboylen7239 ngk spark plugs work best for honda
Thanks man, this was very helpful. I recently installed a JDM engine with supposedly 55k miles in my 13crv and it has been making that annoying rattle at startup ifbit sat for more than a couple hours. I did this spring trick last night, took maybe about an hour, car has been sitting for 16 hours and i just started it in 30F degree weather, i was super happy as it made no noise. Not sure if it will be a permanent fix but it was super easy to do and may at least buy me some time. :-). Ended up replacing vtc as rattle returned rather quickly. Also did the chain tensioner while i was in there.
Good to here it helped 👍🏽
How hard was the job? I might need to do this soon.
@colecampagna6302 take about a hour to do
If you stretch it, it'll just lose its tension again. Your best bet is to find a heavier spring. If you can't find that, place some washers under the spring to take up space, and restore the spring tension.
eBay sells replacement springs I think.
Terrible advice. The spring needs to be replaced, not shimmed or stretched. Also, the locking pin needs to be removed and worked over with some abrasives until it moves freely in and out of the detent that it locates into under the spring tension.
@@caseyalexander2244 well the best advice is obviously to replace it with a new one. But in a pinch, it can be shimmed for more tension.
You're very smart to have figured that out thanks a lot. I'm going to try this on a customers car.
Hi. Any updates would be much appreciated. Thanks
Great info. Springs do wear out over time . Very nice work .
Thanks I really appreciate
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This fixed the rattling noise. Thank you!
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@@dateg18 Do you have to replace the Gasket, and will this stop the oil consumption issue??? Thanks
What a generous guy you are. Thanks so much for this video.
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Thanks Man very informative video. I thought I was going to have to replace the whole from an earlier video I was watching. I’m glad I checked you out. I’m now subscribed to you. Thanks for taking time and explaining it. I just wish you had a video of you removing everything else from start to finish. I need to perform on my 2011 Honda Accord, Bless you!
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brother you are going to save me a lot of money. thank you for the lesson
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Thanks for sharing man. My 03 RSX has been doing the start up rattle for a while now. I was going to replace the whole gear but will try this first.
Did it work?
Still haven’t done it. Had many other things to do on other vehicles. Hope it will work though.
@@wza223-fo3mc about 8 months. 03 RSXtype S. Also hearing a little rattle in there aside from the gear. Need to check the timing chain soon.
i just did in my 16 ILX and it worked perfectly, the only difference that i saw was when i separated the plate from the cam it did not have the plastic piece that hold the spring. not sure if my motor does not use it but it didn’t have it. i took the spring, stretched it and put everything back together. started the engine and behold the rattle is gone. if anyone can confirm this info please let me know. regardless you saved me a ton of money, really appreciate it.
Wished i watched this video earlier, i just recently changed this part because of the rattle. I could’ve saved myself $700 dollas 😢. Oh well thanks for posting either way, if the rattle comes back i will now know what to do. Saving this video for reference. Thanks for the clear instructions.
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Greatly appreciate what you shared. Does thing also is the cause on my Honda civic produces grinding/rattle noise in the morning(overnight park) from park to reverse.
If it happens on any cold startup when the car has been sitting overnight, then yes
Great video bro, you saved lots of ppl's time and money.
Useful video, thanks. One thing: if stretching the spring doesn't work, and then you order the kit from Spring Start, it comes with a recommendation that you also replace the chain tensioner, in addition to swapping out the spring on the VTC. So, depending on your mechanical skills, you may or may not have a hard time with that. What bothers me is that apparently there is no mention of this 'prior' to buying the kit, so Spring Start is giving you the impression that just changing the spring will fix the problem.
I wouldn't exactly call that shady, but I do think it's a pretty big omission.
When posting the video at the time, there was no replacement vtc spring available to buy, and yes, there is still a startup rattle. You should consider replacing the timming chain tensioner because they are faulty too and ppl I'm not a Professional mechanic. I have just been Fortunate enough to have friends that have worked for honda over the years I've been doing this since the early 90s.
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NP bro, I get that you are just trying to help...much appreciated. So, are you saying that you replaced the spring and still got the rattle? I'm about to order the spring kit and the tensioner, and give this thing a go. But first I want to see if my chain is stretched, if it is then I'll have to get that too.
What a PITA, and Honda still doesn't have an official fix for this issue. By the way, I'm no mechanic either, but what I think I can do I'll try to do, and hope I don't F it up.
This seems to be happening on the 2.4 from 2008 through 2017. You think Honda engineers would have figured this out by now. Put a thicker gauge spring which is a .50 part. Problem solved.
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Honda clearly just wants this issue to go away, they haven't had a service bulletin since 2017 on it, so we are stuck.
My 2009 Accord is solid in every way, except for this VCT actuator. Even Honda mechanics are split 50/50...some say replace all the timing components, others say just keep topping off the oil.
It's frustrating and aggravating to say the least.
It would depend on the year and model of the vehicle as well as milage if the TCT replacement is recommended. Often, replacing the VTC actuator locking spring alone resolves the issue. Some vehicles need a higher rate spring others the OEM design spring for best results.
Thanks Tony. Very good explanation.
WOW! The fact you did that with one hand holding a phone is REMARKABLE!!!!! Do you play guitar, bass or keyboards? Because you'd be good at that, too!! God bless you!!!
Thanks for this video, much simpler fix than replacing vtc gear and risking throwing off timing and having to loosen tensioner and mess with timing chain etc.!!!
Tony,
Thanks for this video and your replies! My 2014 CRV only has 132k miles and rattles only after 2 days parked (oil drawdown) so i tried a few cautious pre-cranks to pre-lube the VTC and i cut my rattle durations significantly. Some even zero = eliminated rattle. I am going to buy a 10 second delay relay to try in my fuel pump relay function so my 1st 10 seconds of starter cranking is to spinup my oil pump and THEN switch on fuel to start. In my years in mine machinery we used an entire kit called “pre-lube” which pre spun oil pumps on 2,000hp Cummins and such TDI’s so that when cranked over all oil galleries were full and at oil psi.
Comments ? Thanks in advance!
Well, you will be draining your battery and also wearing out your starter. That's a complex work-around for something that can just be fixed by addressing the root cause.
Spring-Start has VTC repair kits with new springs and the torx bit included
Thanks for the info 👍🏽
It says Honda. Does the spring works for Toyota as well.
@@painkillerO8 what year and model?
@ Toyota corolla 2011 , LE. also not possible to remove the spring while still on the engine. it requires rotating the engine to reach the bolts😔
@@painkillerO8 as long as the cover is removable we have rotated as needed
Thanks, good old school mechanics, cheers
Best ever no bullshit just how to fix problem
GOOD MAN ! Thank you !
This saved me a Ton of Cash & time.
The fact that a slight increase in tension on a spring that might cost ( .30 cents ) Maybe !
that will completely fix a component that can cost ( $800+ ) is Ridiculous !
Honda should be better than this.
Good to hear sir 👍🏽
AWESOME VIDEO!!!
Saving me some serious cash bro. Thank you!!!! 💪
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Wow ... Thanks for kind of easiest idea to try out. Looks Promising for brief sporadic noise I get when starting my 2008 4 cylinder Honda Accord with 125K miles on vehicle. ... I ordered a new cam chain tensioner thinking that could be source of noise to go after first; and will now try this spring fix first. Thanks. I will study your comments section next for the additional education. Thanks
Np I would replace the timming chain tensioner too they can make the same noise as well
any luck with just replacing spring?
@@RohitGeh I have not yet tackled this project. I will replace the spring first; see if spuractic noise goes away; and then replace cam chain tensioner if I still hear that noise. ... The results will be informative and interesting.
@@CaptBill69 What repairs did you end up doing and how have they held up?
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Thanks for sharing this fix!
@chuysaucedo7119 awesome good to hear that
I would definitely try this fix
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Just subbed to ya sir for this great video, thank you so much. My wife has a 2011 CRV that's had this rattle for years now. Honestly we've just dealt with it b/c we're in TX and it only shows up in the one month of cold we have. I'd like to fix it this winter, the engine has low mileage less than 90K. I've worked on older V6 and V8s but it's been awhile and I know these Honda is all aluminum. Any good videos on taking the cover off and torque specs? Thank you!
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This is my problem at this time, i ll try it tomorow can t wait for it, thanks
Also if you have high mileage I would change the timming tensioner too
Thank you for posting the video. My 2013 crv makes this noise when i start it. That sound appears to be the only problem. Car otherwise runs fine. What other symptoms will i have?
Did this to my 2011 CRV only difference was no plastic piece. Worked great!!✌🏽
I have the exact problem on my wife's 2011. Did you use a particular video for pull the valve cover off? I've worked on other engines but always feel more comfortable having a video to reference for new-to-me engines. Thanks!
@@johnnixon Just watched this video and did exactly what he did…when you say pull cover off do you mean valve cover or cover where spring is?
@@Catman234 Valve cover. Just trying to determine if there's anything I need to be aware of. Imports tend to have surprises.
@@johnnixon I bought gasket kit on Amazon and it came with everything you need …just get good RTV silicon for the corners on top of head.There are videos and torque specs out there ..And like I said no surprises other than there was no plastic piece inside spring.
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Thanks for sharing sir, i will try your method on my toyota vvti cam gear.
Great video! Thanks!
If you take the 4 screws out while it’s on the cam the back won’t come apart because the cam bolt is holding pressure against the cam and the back of the vtc actuator
Are you positive
Could be, i think on mine the front and rear plate as well as outter gear housing are not connected to inner part of phaser that is bolted to cam. i just took a piece of corrugated cardboard and folded it in half, it made a perfect wedge to hold back plate from possibly moving
That's a fair assessment, but to be sure, use a folded piece of cardboard as a shim and in the middle of the fold cut out a semi-circle to go around the end of the camshaft.
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Impressive fix.
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U are great man. Amazing fix
Hi. Any updates would be appreciated. Thanks
Great idea but i can't imagine this would last long with daily use. Might as well replace the spring and or actuator while it's out.
I have done this on my own si, and it's been 2 years now, and not working just fine no problem I posted a link in my bio to a company that sell replacement vtc springs hope it help sir
Thanks for this
Thank you, gonna try this
I did it....amazing....thx a lot Bro.... Indonesian
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Genius, totally works!
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@@Daniel-xq7ny still working perfectly
@@tysonmirka7652 No other sounds when engine running? And all works A1 and no more rattle on cold starts?
Engine sounds a bit louder, I assume it's valve lash issue as it is over 200k miles. No lights, normal power and VTEC works.
@@tysonmirka7652 No ticking sound until engine is completely warmed up? Im asking because I did that spring thing and I don't know if that ticking sound was a coincidence, but it came out. It was the chain tensioner. I don't see how that spring could have any relation with the chain tensioner, but... It was a clapping sound until engine was hot and the sound was gone... But sadly my engine jumped many teeth and I had to swap it for a JDM engine, (more power). But that JDM also has that VTC rattle, so I'm a little stressed doing the spring thing again.
So i had same problem on a 2015 crv & accord i own. Found a mechanic who said to replace chain tensioner and it completely fixed problem he even said theres a TSB written about it. Fyi
I replaced belt tensioner didn't work & yes Honda knows the rattle is a problem hence class action lawsuit in Cali ended in 2023
I'll have to try this, I replaced the cam phaser on my 2011 Accord 7 years ago and within the past year it's started clattering every time I start it. The parts guy at Honda assured me that the phaser they sold me was the "updated" version even though it has the same part number.....BS. Being a mechanic I have absolutely no desire to work on my own vehicle so this will make my life a little easier if it works. I'm about due for my 200k valve adjustment and plug replacement (early) so I will try this instead of replacing the whole thing again. BTW, you have a white, Canadian cousin selling tools for Snap-on here in Texas, seriously, the similarities between you two are eerie.
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On my 2014 CRV, No need to remove the actuator to replace the spring.
@bysykler4959 you don't need to remove it all the way
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Fuc*ing great video thanks man
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If you pack the back of them with cardboard before disassemble it can't move then remove the 4 bolts it's 16lbs foot of torque to reassemble
Thanks for sharing this will save us some cash 🤙🏽
This is good information. I'm at 107,00 on our CRV and it also has the rattle on cold start up. I know you recommended replacing the timing chain tensioner, do you think the timing chain itself would be stretched and need replacement at this point also? Thanks!
Cool stuff man keep it going
The newer actuators (read: R5A) have five-point Torx Plus screws instead. (Note that the R5A actuator can also rattle. It's not a panacea as they claim it to be.) If I find that to be incorrect I will update this comment.
Hola eso se puede hacer con el vvt puesta ? O es necesario desmóntarla y quitar todo , no se desatiempa al quitar eso?
Did it and it worked
Awesome
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T 25 torx bit. But mine were too tight. I used a 6 inch pipe wrench to break them loose
It's a T30, and specifically it's the 5-point Torx.
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Awesome
We have a used 2012 Accord SE, exhibits a quick rattle(
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más que bienvenido señor, me alegra que el video lo ayude
Hola Gustavo, sabes de que medida es el torx plus (punta estrella) de los tornillos? Necesito comprarlo para poder desarmar ya que no es torx no multiestria no se que medida es...
@@testiproshinecardetail6232 t 30
thanks for making the video but i wish you had shown a before and after on the car to be able to hear the difference
Sorry about that. I should have done a before and after video
Do you have to replace the Gasket, and will this stop the oil consumption issue??? Thanks
I have ruttling problem but I don't want to take a risk is sensitive job
Thank you for such an interesting video... I have a 2014 Honda crv with this problem, I want to know what number of 5-point tork key I need to remove the screws, thanks
TS-30.
I couldnt find the correct torx bit for my R44 VTC on my 2012 CRV 2.4L, so I replaced them with the exact length hex head bolt. But it still rattles worse on start up and has a squeek. I think those tox head bolts are assembled with tight tolerances and it has to be assembled correctly. I had to resort to replacing the VTC.
Let me ask you, have you ever replaced the timming chain tensioner? Because that can cause the same problem as well
@@dateg18 I have not replaced it or even looked at it. Thanks for the heads up. Can rotating the engine in reverse damage the tensioner?
@michaelpolzin3263 we removing the tensioner you can just a very little to take tension off the tensioner to remove it
It's a T30 5-point Torx bit, and you want to get one that is a socket, not just a bare bit. Anything you can do to prevent anything from coming out and dropping - even with stuffing towels or whatever in the top of the timing cover. Not something you want to be losing in the middle of the job. Also, make sure it's made of S2 steel. The torque needed is 8 ft/lbs or 96 in/lbs.
Let me ask you this did you replace the timming chain tensioner too ?
What have your results been like now, two years after this post? Was it a one time fix or you have to consistently replace or fix the spring? If so, how often (miles) do you find yourself doing it?
It's still going good with no problem at all but I posted a link to a company that sales vtc spring replacement
So I have a 2018 fit that had that rattle a few times a week on cold starts. Is this a "this needs fixed immediately" kinda issue or a "it can wait within reason"
It just started doing it, but it's not often. Some people on the honda fit reddit said it could be fine for years until it finally stretches the timing belt. I just don't have the know how or the money to have somone go in there and replace the spring.
Hello I did this in my Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol. the rattling is gone Is it possible that the spring is now too stretched? After starting the engine does not work evenly, errors p0351, p0352, p0340 appeared
@mariuszs.7189 I'm not sure of this when it comes to toyota how there timming works did you check the engine code 🤔
Before you did the spring did u make sure the motor was on tdc and the timming was right before you started the motor?
Good info. Thanks!
I’m going to order the part but I’m no timing expert so I’m requesting quotes from local shops. The problem is, Al the shops are up selling recommending to replace the entire timing chain, tensioner, etc. it’s ridiculous.
Hi, thanks for the video. Question.....Does the vtc has to be unlocked before removing the screws?
You don’t even have to remove the the plate, just enough to slide out the pieces
Can all the vtc cover bolts be removed while installed on a Honda CR-V , or, is the timing cover in the way on the bottom half of the VTC to be able to remove the lower bolts?. Or is it ok to simply rotate the engine to ppsition the bolts higher for access ?
@ericaviator8869 the timming cover is not in the way at the bottom just turn the main pulley to the tbc mark and remove the vavle cover when u put the motor at TDC the point on the vtc cam will be at the very stop you will see it on the back of the vtc gear
Good job bro.
For this job , do you know if i can get to the vtc gear without removing the cams?
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