Trapdoor Springfield rifle
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- www.patreon.com/vbbsmyt Converting a muzzle loading Springfield rifle to breech loader (revised version). The majority of rifles used in the American Civil War were muzzle loaders. These were slow to load, and generally required the soldier to load while standing up. The Austro-Prussian war of 1866 showed that an army equipped with breech loaders could fire several times faster (and while lying down) than an army with muzzle loaders. What do you do if you have hundreds of thousands of muzzle loaders in your armoury? Throw them away and buy new or convert them to breech loaders? Much cheaper, and quicker, to convert. This animation shows how a Springfield rifle musket was converted to a breech loader - the 'Trapdoor' Springfield.
Animation created using Cinema 4D. Music : 'Sound the Alarm', sold by Stock Music Store (SMS) probably now known as SidSonic.
So cool that you included the conversion animation. Great work!
Good animation. I own a trapdoor carbine myself. My wife gave it to me for my birthday. Cool wife.
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Ryan. The big game changer was the Prussian Dreyse needle gun ( introduced 1848). During the Austro-Prussian war of 1864 the Prussions, armed with breech loading Dreyse needle guns wiped out the Austrians who still had muzzle loading rifles. The French then developed the Chasspot breech loader. Now a breech loader could be fired more rapidly, and more importantly could be reloaded while under cover. Muzzle loaders required the solder to stand up (and stand still) to reload. The rest of the world then took note. "Oh dear, I have an armoury of 500,000 muzzle loading rifles, but an army with breech loaders can defeat us. What to do?' Either throw the muzzle loaders away and spend vast amounts of money (and time) designing and building a breech loader, or convert the muzzle loaders - much cheaper. In the US these were the trapdoor Springfields, in UK the Sneider conversion, and other countries follwoed the same approach.
I have a weird request. I'd like to use the music you used in this video for a video of my own, but I can't find this song online using the info you provided. Can you point me to where you got the music from?
the US had quite literally millions of Springfield rifle muskets so going with a conversion was pretty much guaranteed
@@colinkelly5420 The title of the song is "Sound The Alarm". It is the twenty-first track on the linked album, and the website allows for playback (and recording) of a one-minute segment for free.
www.genie.co.kr/detail/albumInfo?axnm=81237256
With evolving historic research and some personal testing - with training, muzzle loaders can reloaded under cover. Lying down on you back and holding your rifle by the muzzle, one can dump black powder from a paper cartridge as push greased bullet down the bore.It isn't as easy as with the breech loaders of the period, but it can be accomplished.
Guess the real downfall of the Austrians was their tactics didn't adopt to enemies with breach loading capabilities as not utilizing their range advantage. Otherwise we all would be speaking Austrian now and eat more Strudel.
only one thing you can reload a musket while your are under cover you just don't do that because your slower to reload and musket aren't the best for sniping
Was doubtful at first but this is actually a perfect animation of the working parts 👏 well done
Could you make the Krag-Jørgensen Rifle with its groovy hopper? There doesn't seem to be there enough visualisations/demonstrations of that mechanism around.
This is virtually the same as version published 9 days ago. I have just changed the way the cartridge is ejected in the last minute or so.
wonder how much days it took !
It finally solved my mystery of how the hell these guns work(btw I really love that you went the extra mile of showing the conversion process)
This is what the creators of Napoleon total war thought a flintlock musket was
@@therake8897 it would be a wonder weapon of the time just like the stg44 appearing during WWII
@@therake8897it's a mechanism that gave way to bolt action
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Dreyse did that, not Springfield
I love this rifle. One of the best rifles ever made.
So beautiful, yet so simple in design.
Very informative videos for armourers, gunsmiths, and gun enthusiasts alike.
The first two categories could use these as teaching material.
Where’s Mississippi Queen?
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2:54 Thankyou for this part that perfectly answered the my question on how the hell the cartridges get fired.
The animation is cool but the music seems a little out of place for a breech loading single shot rifle. Feels more 1980s than 1880s. Lol.
worst part about is to think that in the usa black powder gun aren't classified as real firearm and this is so simple that almost everyone can do that you only need to have the tool some ammo for the gun and a old springfield musket or i even think that any other musket would do
Can you show the function of other breechloading conversions? Like the Snider? I've been studying some the the designs rejected by the British when they chose the Snider, and my favorite so far the the Mayall bolt action.
JKJ1900. An interesting idea. I have (briefly) seen a number of trials rifles submitted before and for the 1864 trials, but have not spent any time studing the trials themselves, so I don't have a list of the rifles, or their patents/drawings. It sounds as though you have more details. Are these publically available? And if so, could you share them with me - message to vbbsmyt and we can then communicate off-line. Regards Rob
Excellent animation. I heard about your channel through C&Rsenal and their episode on the Lewis gun. Could you possibly do more rifles?
Like that video visual is always better then some one telling you. If no smokeless powder a few years later the army probably would have kept them a bit longer great riffle in my opinion
Peter, you are correct. I had hoped no-one would notice. Rob
Awesome animation! Very simple. But very well done and informative
A weapon to rival metal gear!~!
I could probably build a trapdoor rifle chambered for 7.62x54R, using the same system for this.
You need to put a warning, VB.. "Warning.. these videos are hypnotic for hardware nerds!"
This Gun literally has no popularity in media as I have never see it used in a single movie. One day I want to Animate a Character that uses this elegant weapon so that the Trapdoor Springfield gets the representation it deserves. I mean yeah it is awesome that its in Red Dead Redemption 2 but that not enough for me.
The cavalry-carbine version has been used in a lot of western films
@@smellyfella5077 that's pretty awesome my bad I did not do my research thoroughly enough. I will look into that. Thank you my friend.
I know that this video is over a year old now, but I just noticed that it seems as though you missed a step in the conversion process. The barrel was resleeved from .58" to .45" to accommodate the .45-70 round.
He's actually correct in maintaining the original .58-caliber barrel. The original 1865 "First Allin" conversions fired from a .58-caliber pure copper rimfire cartridge, with 60 grains of black powder, and a 500 grain Minié bullet. The only things that vbbsmyt got wrong were that a) the 1865 model used a manually-operated locking handle, instead of a spring-operated one, b) the firing pin angle was shallower to accommodate a rimfire cartridge, and c) the extractor was an automatic rack-and-pinion type. Your barrel resleeving argument would be correct only if vbbsmyt intended specifically to recreate an 1866 model, for the .50-70-450 cartridge, or an 1873 model, which used a .45-70-405 cartridge.
A very wonderful animation. It was very easy to understand. Please also exert yourself now. It was from Japan.
This is on that list of U.S.'s best, clever, and frugal retrofit decisions it done to update its gear in its history. It wasn't perfect. You can tell by looking at the video. The process of converting past guns into new has a negative effect on the longevity of the gun, creates unforeseen issues, and not every musket grabbed is going to be in the best condition. (They are converting used guns.) I would not be surprised each musket they used was the same either (might have had different specs) and this had issues. To me trapdoor in the grand scheme of things is another case of people being lucky. The conversion designer was very competent. He done stuff like this before. He knew what to look out for that will reveal being a big problem later. Somehow the guns managed to not suffer as severely from the typical expected problems like other countries experience when attempting the same thing. Most of the time they eventually wised up they were spending so much fixing the problems with the conversion they decide to just build a new gun, because it was proving cheaper in the long run. Others just keep avoiding it until it is too late. The U.S.A. certainly got their money worth using with these.
Late reloading
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Hello Mr. vbbsmyt, I'm Hưng, I'm a museum owner in Vietnam, I watched your videos and was very impressed, so I'm writing this comment to ask you for a 3D model of the springfield trapdoor for restoration purposes model. I hope you agree to this request
1:32 if only the union army knew how to improve their weapons sooner like in the middle of the war the union army production turns Springfield rifled muskets into this, that would've been a huge improvement in weaponry.
Interesting. I couldn’t figure out how the firing pin was striking the primer. I never considered it could be striking it at an angle.
Easy to understand
"Why are you dodging like this? They couldn't hit a elephant at them distance."
The best
1:04 what is that yellow cap and what does it do?
I'm still new to gun tech history
Frag. To fire the gun the gunpowder must be ignited. Up to the 1820s this was done by striking a flint against a piece of steel to produce a spark that ignited gunpowder in a pan beside the barrel (flintlocks). The Revend Forsyth invented a powder that would ignite when struck (mercury fulmanite), and in the years following this was refined to a percussion cap (the yellow cap in the animation). This contains a chemical that will explode (producing flames) when struck by the hammer. The flame goes through the nipple and set off the main gunpowder charge. Rob
to add to it this percussion cap uses Mercury(II) fulminate
looks good to me.
I've fired a reproduction one and you now have it right.
except the barrel, the Springfield 1855-63 muskets the 1868s were made from was a 56 caliber sleeved to 50 cal., then a new 45 cal barrel was fitted in the 1873s
Winchester and Spencer levergun, please..!
The needle guns such as the French Chess-pot had to replace the needle every 10 to 12 shots the bullets were pretty corrosive
Thanks for the info but the info doesn't seem relative to this video.
Need Mississippi Queen version.
Trapdoor Springfield rifles can load much faster than traditional rifled muskets.
He customized his rifle like its 1862
Just a request or idea, maybe do a little video on the M1777 Charleville Musket using Napoleonic french drill? It would be very useful for teaching reenactors the details on how a flintlock musket works
1873 Trapdoor rifle was also .50 caliber, not the .58 used by the muzzle loading Springfield. So they had to install a barrel liner and re-rifle it. Other than that, great video.
Came for the gun stayed for the music.
Cloudnt take the music sorry
Cool video, I thought this wasn't the video I was looking for until I saw the transition part
Very good 😍😍😍😍😁😁😁😎😎😎😎😎😎👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks a lot
We the Konyak's also known as head hunters from Northeast India still use those guns....there are lots who can make those guns...
Is the model available in CAD format and available for purchase ?
Sorry, no.
why am i watching this
So martini henry but worse?
the Little Bighorn scapegoat
Springfield musket
Excellent animation. Good job.
Model 1853, if I am not mistaken.
There is a mistake in animation with the loading the bullet in papaper is always rewersed to the outside you need to cut the paper where the bullet ends.
Небольшое замечание: тут показана не пуля Минье, а Пуля Петерса (она же "бельгийская пуля"). У Минье немного другая форма выемки и есть металлический колпачок.
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Someone needs to add this gun as a mod to left 4 dead 2 via steam workshop, trapdoor or not.
Nice gun sir
Wasn't there a barrel sleeve to make it right for the smaller caliber?
Eventually yes. This animation, however, shows the immediate adaptation to convert to breech loading before it was realised a smaller calibre gave a better solution. The gun I used as a model was not sleeved.
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Good animation but one major flaw. The originals that were converted were all of the 3 bander length. The 2 bander full length version you showed wasn't adopted until the 1873 pattern. Also, the conversions trapdoor block used a bored through percussion nipple as the firing pin keeper so that in the event of the soldiers running our of the new self contained cartridges, they could take out the firing pin, pop the primer out of a fired case and then use the rifle as a muzzle loader simply leaving the empty cartridge in place and resume the older order of loading. This was of course when the were still using the .575 cartridge. The British Snider's did the same thing and even maintained the .577 snider cartridge for several decades after the snider was adopted just for that reason. They had millions upon millions of left over Minnie ball cartridges in storage and they didn't want to have to scrap it all. For both the Allin conversion and Snider's conversions, this was the case.
Its a fair cop, I will come quietly....
holy crap thats so much better
nice
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Это чё, взяли старую капсульную винтовку и переделали под патрон?
What was that yellow cap?
Percussian cap. Look it up
Why are you not loading wadding?
The muzzle loading Springfield fired a Minié ball, which does not require any wadding. The Minié bullet has a hollow at the base which expands to grip the rifling when the gun is fired.
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Springfield lore 😳
So cul
those weapons make me confuse because same model of the gun
better than glock
The first gun was invented by any cuntry
Oh yeah, that sounds good.
Super super example
I love mine
I like it
Ficou claro como se usa.
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Excellent video!
i can't tell the difference between 2:33 and 2:36
was it became bigger?
Yes, the new hammer head has to reach further across to strike the centreline firing pin
Must have been cheaper than buying a whole new rifle.
Santa: In Europe, the Prussians were using the Dreyse breech loading rifle, and had clearly shown armies equipped with muzzle loaded rifles could not stand up to an army with breech-loaders. But in 1866 the armouries of the world held millions of muzzle loaders. What to do? - develop home-grown breech loaders or convert. As you point out, it was much cheaper to convert the literally millions of rifles. The US adopted the Trapdoor mechanism, and in Britain they used the Snider design. Rob
Was wondering if you could muzzle load black power without a brass casing.
You can load the trapdoor springfield like a muzzle loader, but since it has been converted, there is no way to ignite the powder.
I believe that is possible if the shells are loaded with only the detonator attached.
There should be a third band on the musket.
No. There were only 2 bands on the actual rifle I used as the model. ( I presume three band springfields would also have been converted.)
@@vbbsmyt Probably some sort of Calvary or artillery model carbine. I’ve seen two band Enfields for sale.
Can you do one of the Hall breechloading rifle? Flintlock or percussion?
I have 1.who is buy them
I love it
any chance of the Snider Enfield?
Musket?
What - no barrel liner ?
song from video ?
Ok
Hey guys, strange question, but i am making a fantasy world that is based heavily off of the real world.
With empires based off of
Feudal Japan, Ancient China, India, Western Europe (during the early middle ages), Ancient Rome/greece, mongols, and Ancient China
Which of these societies would this rifle look most fitting in?
@TheBritishBulldog
It is fantasy an all get gunpowder due to bad guy
Any competent blacksmith can make barrels and workable locks. The Japanese used matchlock guns for many years despite (I believe) not being able to cut screw threads. With a supply of gunpowder and lead, troops can cast their own balls for use in smoothbore flintlocks while on campaign. Now with percussion locks and cartridge guns you need industry and a supply chain. Chemists/alchemists to make explosive primers (fulminate of mercury). Good quality copper to make brass suitable for drawing into cartridge cases, or you can have teams of low paid rolling cartridge cases (Boxer cartridge). These have to be packed and transported to where your army is. If you run out of cartridge, use rifle as clubs. So, someone has to have the funds to pay for chemists, miners/ore and the smiths to make various parts. The Feudal Lord? The King? This means taxes. And what is the source of innovation, if a cheap smoothbore flintlock is good enough, who is going to pay to invent improvements? Why innovate if it will cost more? And a country with the necessary resources is is a better position - iron ore, saltpetre and sulphur for gunpowder. Can these resources be imported even if you know where to find them?
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The time frame the world is going to be early middle (think Charlemagne and feudal japan) ages to late classical period (with some early classical peoples making a appearance. An the reason gun powder becomes a thing is due to a time traveling bad guy came in and uses them alot. An by the time of the final battle, i was hoping all the said empires/kingdoms would have a rifle or gun of some kind to face off against the villain. As well as using tech of that times to show how people of the past could counter them by other means. All based on real life counters that can work.
Mongols - essentially nomadic horse warriors. They may have captured cities that produce gunpowder, but mode of warfare is from horse,they can fire many arrows while on horseback,but would have too stop to reload a muzzle loader firearm. African empires. Great at mass assaults with spears, but have they invented the wheel when european invaders arrived? Japan, got samples of muskets from Portuguese, but no advance in technology for 100+ years. Europeans - well documented. Now - the Romans. Well organised, innovative (if only from slaves). great builders, understood need for infrastructure (road, aqueducts, sanitation). Their Legions included masons, surveyors, mining experts, surveyors, smiths. If Rome had the secret of gunpowder - then we all might be speaking Latin.@@thewingedhussar4188
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So your saying i should use the Remington Rolling block for my fantasy Mongol empire then?
What conflict was this rifle use in?
Carbine versions (shorter barrels) were used at the Battle of Little Bighorn by the U.S. 7th Cavalry (General George Custer). The Trapdoor rifle remained the standard U.S. rifle until about 1890.
the Indian genocide
The US Army did also keep these rifles in reserves and used some of them in the Spanish-American War, until they fully replaced them with the Krag-Jörgensen.
@@TheJohnsoline Yep. I have heard people say both sides used them. From what I hear from others talking about each side using guns is a little bit of a debate going on. People scrutinize and argue what ratio size of the type of gun the Indians were using along with the other side. A lot of people may not realize this but Indians were not that incapable of understanding new technology and the claim they were all mostly broke is misleading. They did trade and did buy guns and other stuff in catalogs. They also did know blacksmithing. I have heard one claim there were certain Indian individuals out there able to build a gun literally from the ground up like how some folks today literally can make their own flintlock or build their own gun. Some might have studied an original to learn how to build another one. The amount being capable of doing this I am unsure. I do think it might have been similar to how much of the modern day population of civilians are knowledgeable enough and good with tools to build their own homemade weapon. Basically, I am saying Indians were not that dumb and were not oppose to adopting new tech or lack the capability to understand it. So yeah. The trapdoor is very likely both of them used it.
@@abwihamwinkin The army only had enough Krag-Jorgensen rifles to equip the small professional army in the Spanish-American War. The large numbers of volunteers, more in numbers than the professional army, had to be armed with obsolete trap-door Springfields dragged out of mothballs. The Spanish were armed with Mausers, which were superior to the Krag-Jorgenson, and obviously the Springfield as well. Fortunately for the US, the Spanish general kept most of his army back in Santiago de Cuba awaiting the outcome of the naval battle of Santiago, and just had a delaying force at San Juan Hill, so the US Army never had to face the full Spanish Force. As it was, the Spanish in trenches and bunkers at San Juan and Kettle Hill regularly picked off the US officers at ranges beyond those of the weapons the US had. After the Spanish navy was destroyed, the Spanish general surrendered knowing that he could never get supplies and reinforcements.
Ohhh
Awesome