Enjoying Black Powder Episode 1: The Trapdoor Springfield
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Black powder military rifles of the 1860s-1880s are a really enjoyable group of guns. A lot of them are relatively reasonably priced, and they are actually pretty easy to reload for. The unavailability of factory ammunition (for most, although not so much for the Trapdoor) makes them seem like a daunting prospect, but for a pretty simple investment in tools and time one can make up ammunition and have a lot of fun with rifles like this.
That's the idea behind a new series here on black powder military rifles. Each month, my friend - and handloader - Tom and I will take out a different model to have some fun at the range and compare how they handle. And then we will show you how to make the ammunition for them. So grab your pith helmet, pause "Zulu" and join us! Today is Episode One: Trapdoor Springfield!
Edit: Note that we were using 70 grain powder charges on all our rounds, but the original carbine load was actually 55 grains. Sorry!
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Correction.
The carbine load was 45-55-405 with a cardboard wad used as filler.
The original 1873 rifle load was 45-70-405.
In 1880 it was found during the Creedmoor matches that the 485 grain Martini Henry bullet out performed the 405 grain Trapdoor bullet at longer ranges. So special trials guns were made in an experimental 45-80-500 cartridge and a new twist rate was also experimented with using a 5 groove rifling instead of the original three groove rifling. Further testing showed the extra 10 grains of powder wasnt needed and the 500 grain bullet matched and then would out perform the Martini Henry at the same ranges the 405 grain bullet wouldn’t.
The 45-70-500 cartridge would be adopted in 1883 hence the 1884 model trapdoor.
The carbines would maintain the use of the 45-55-405 cartridge until they were withdrawn from service.
Other aspects of the 1884 model is it has an improved and heavier duty breech block as issues had been noted in the field of even the 405 cartridge guns had issues of blocks coming partially open during firing. The solution was simply to add more weight that had previously been removed. That improvement had been rolled into production in 1879 and finalized with the 1884 and latter 1888 models.
Crud, you're right. Sorry!
The Martini is the best BP single shot IMHO. The Rolling Block is excellent too. It would have been a better choice than the Trapdoor
@@sharonrigs7999 Only if budget and logistics weren't issues, which they most assuredly were.
@jic1 True that.
The Army was thoroughly broke after the Civil War and the Trapdoors were good enough for the ongoing Indian Wars.
@@sharonrigs7999 And the Spanish-American War.
There is something very satisfying about hearing that mechanism operate.
Tom is a fine co-host! Happy to hear more of this is coming :)
"And it smells great too."
*wheezing seconds later*
weed smokers get this
If you’re loved your grandpa’s sigar smell, you’re gonna love black powder
Bad smells can come from some of the fats used to grease the bullet, but hot beeswax isn't at all bad!
Cough wheeze " real smooth stuff" choke wheeze
@@csschot I hate cigar(!) smell
Loved black powder ever since deer hunting as a kid. These odd transitional period guns right before modern cartridges are always super interesting.
I worked as a reenactor and we used these rifles for our time period. Definitely one of my favorite rifles ever. Easy to work on, dependable, and satisfying as hell to shoot.
What were you reenactor for?
@@chugachuga9242 Mackinac State Parks. I worked in Fort Mackinac on Mackinac Island as a soldier portraying fort life in the late 1800s as well as some basic military demonstrations.
@@TheEpictrooper that’s really cool because I have never seen reenactors for that time, I have only ever seen the usuals like The Revolutionary war, Civil War, and World War 2
@@chugachuga9242 it's an interesting time frame as the military hadn't changed too much from the Civil War. The uniforms were practically identical as was the structure of rank and units. Thankfully, they realized line battles with breech loading rifles wasn't the smartest so tactics did change a bit. They adopted more light infantry tactics like skirmish lines.
I was waiting for you to say civil war reenactor and I was going to call out Farb...
I have an 1873 that my father bought from an old farmer in Tennessee back in the 60's. He, unfortunately, had it re-blued. It is a beautiful gun. I used to pretend I was Danial Boone and play with it as a kid (Yea, I had no concept of history at the time..LOL).
You're in Danial!
...very few of us did at that age...
Really like the premise of this series, keep it up!
I know it's not a military rifle, but an 1874 sharps would be appreciated to be seen, mostly because I want a Mathew Quigley impression from Ian 😄
"This one shoots a mite further."
maybe Ian could ask Tom to borrow it? Bet Tom would like this channel
The earlier Sharps model carbines and rifles were most definitely military arms
@@savagestevens6398 of course. But this series seems to be about metallic cartridge breachloaders, so I don't think we would see the earlier sharps since they were loaded with paper cartridges.
Cool to see a video about shooting an older gun, and some of the history behind it
Thank you. This sounds like a great series. Please keep it up.
It sounds great even with the wind noise‽ 😂
(I hadn't even noticed the wind noise until I read the comments.)
I actually have one, handed down from my grandfather. Stamped on the butt is "stolen from Lubin Manufacturing CO" which was an early film studio in Philadelphia. Assuming my coal mining grandfather wasn't a thief, he bought it when the studio burned down.
Good idea for a series. Many people seem to equate black powder with muzzleloaders and percussion revolvers and that smokeless powder and metallic cartridges appeared on the scene at the same time. Loading and shooting black powder cartridges is fun and takes you back to the mid-to-late 1800s. Most modern firearms will happily accept black powder ammunition although I would not recommend it in an AR-15. I did have a friend who shot a Wild Bunch match with black powder ammo; his 1911 made it through 120 or so rounds with no malfunctions.
Love this series. Black powder in any form is a lot of fun.
As the owner of several antique firearms for which I have never even been in the same room as a live cartridge for them, this is very interesting.
Surely classic rather than antique. A hand cannon or wheel lock might be antique but these................
@@patrickporter1864 surely an item that was manufactured over 130 years ago is an antique, is the date in your name your date of birth?
@@patrickporter1864 100 years is a common threshold for antique stuff in general. US law is actually a bit pickier, and requires that guns be made 1898 or earlier to be an antique.
@@patrickporter1864 Antique in my local context is all firearms manufactured before jan 1st 1898 except for repeating longarms and cartridge handguns of "common calibers"..
Lmao around these parts you can get an antique plate for your car if its 30 years old... So any M9 used in Desert Storm
It looks like Ian's efforts to "gamer it up" gave him the edge!
And he was still doing the proper half-cock reload it looked like. The game Hunt Showdown does the full cock reload.
As someone who owns a bunch of semi auto guns there is a part of me that longs to buy a bunch of black powder guns and do some turn of the century larping
You'll probably find the yearly ammunition cost to go down 😅
The crazy part is besides Italian cap and ball repo revolvers you can often find originals for cheaper than the repos. I snagged an original 1860 Spencer carbine that saw service in the civil war and possibly the Indian wars in functional condition for half of what the Italian repos with tons of issues go for, even after buying a centerfire conversion block to shoot it more easily still much cheaper. Or my 1816 us musket Belgian cone conversion made in 1831. Half the price of an Italian repo of a flintlock 1816 musket. Plus it’s just so awesome holding something that saw that actual history and is so old everyone who had any hand in making it or was issued it has been gone a long time. Versus my modern stuff is far superior tactically but no soul, no real service life except maybe some individual parts if it’s a parts kit build.
They are addicting for sure and certain!
I shot some old black-powder rifles for fun when I was younger. After a while of shooting muzzle-loaders I got to play with a Martini-Henry. It was like night & day. I can imagine the feeling of the first armies equipped with breech loaders against those with muzzle loaders, they must have shot them to pieces. That & easily re-loading from cover must've been a real game changer.
Fast-forward one more generation and you have generals resisting the idea of equipping their men with repeaters, because they'd just waste ammunition! (And then along comes Hiram Maxim saying, "No, no, boys, you want to talk about wasting ammunition, watch THIS." :)
The ammo wasting thing was a real concern with loooong logistic tails and poor transportation of the day. Many of the civil war engagements with units armed with Spencer’s versus muzzle loaders went like this. Spencer’s put out a wall of fire push back a numerically superior force. This lasts until they have used up all their rounds. They then have to retreat far enough back to be resupplied. The funny part 90% of people don’t consider though is outside of combat the early metallic cartridge guns were noted for going through less ammunition than the muzzle loaders. The reason being the paper cartridges quickly wore out from jostling around. So just marching an army no engagements you’d lose a certain number of rounds. Metallic cartridges being more robust didn’t have to worry about that or water exposure destroying them as easily.
This makes me want to get my grandfather’s Springfield 1873 trapdoor rifle back to shooting condition. Apparently the firing pin is broken and has been since the 50s. Enjoyed the video.
Check out Mark Nowak's Conservation 101 video. You can do 95% of the work yourself, and he also has a video on conserving a Trapdoor rifle too.
@@theshadowrunner28 Very cool! I’ll look into that. Thanks for the info.
I did the same with the 1873 trapdoor I inherited. Same broken firing pin, but I found an original replacement on the internet at s&s firearms, out of NY state. Had to clean the barrel of almost 80 years of dirt and rust, but I took the rifle to a gunsmith and he gave her a clean bill of health. The look on my father's face when he fired that rifle that he had only ever seen hang over the mantle was worth all the time I spent! 😊
Cant wait for the sequel series where Ian discusses all the technical details of "enjoying white powder"
You mean poudre blanche, Paul Ville's famous Powder B? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poudre_B
Nice comments.
“This here is a famas, it uses smokeless powder 5.56 nato ammunition”
I see what you did there! ^-^
Nice play on words. As well as a bit of tongue in cheek social commentary. You sly dog you... ^-^
I didn't even understand the joke, I was just like "oh, white powder would be interesting to cover."
gunna be a legendary series
Great work and had NO PROBLEM with the sound.
I have wanted a trapdoor springfield and a rolling block for a long time. 2 of my favorite rifles
Thanks Ian, now my area of interest will get 2x as expensive as people realize how easy it is to shoot these... (I mean BP guns as a whole, not trapdoors).
True, but at least it would reinvigorate the market for molds brass etc hopefully which is slowly dying as interest dwindles with boomers ageing out and most millennials and younger not being interested.
The Springfield Trapdoor is such a beautiful rifle, and I love the trapdoor mechanism it has. Just love this beautiful rifle.
Excited for this, these are my favorite era of firearms.
damn i luv trapdoor rifles, so iconic
When firing a original blackpowder firearm someone will usually comment"that things too old to fire safely". If the gun is inspected and is mechanically sound, use proper loads and your ok.
I mean it's just a metal tube at the end of the day. If no stress fractures or rust is present fire away.
And enjoy the look of horror on people's faces who think vintage pieces should be treated like Holy Mary's naughty bits.
Mm. With vintage firearms, it's much more about how worn they are than how old. Or, to paraphrase Indiana Jones, it's not the years, it's the mileage. :)
People underestimate the longevity of well-cared-for forged steel.
Keep it clean and don't run it hot and it will keep firing.
And proofed. I used to shoot an early 19thC English shotgun with other fans of these guns. Old guns were always test proofed with a double charge after restoration.
Oh, believe me, i have gewehr 1888s....ive heard it all!😂😂😂😂
Cool video and cool series idea, I'm looking forward to future episodes!
I am not really into either guns or military matters at all (other than, y’know, local contemporary european stuff) but forgotten weapons brings something interesting for me. Another way, through guns, their politics, manufacturing, lore etc. To put a really diverse pieces of history (old and new) into context and another brainpath for memorisation, learning motivation. Never fired a gun, might never do, not really something that i have a desire to do, but I am totally hooked on this -stuff-. Thank you very much for this content, well done and superinteresting. Almost always a pleasurable and meaningful ”waste” of time.
More of this sort of thing please. I love this sort of era of weapons.
I love my Trapdoor and handloading straight wall cases is probably the easiest round to load. Recoil is mild even though the .45/70 looks like an elephant round when compared to other rounds of the period.
The high shooting is because the sight is down. These sights were meant to be raised. The "battle sight" is 278yds (why marksmen liked them). Flipping the sight up and elevator (if you want to call it that) down to the bottom, using the bottom sight (they have an aperture above an open) the sight is now 200yds, the lowest range. I made the mistake thinking the down "battle sight" was 100 or 200, and found out through Wolf's book that it was further. This model saw use by NG units in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines during the Spanish American War, and the beginning of the Philippine American War.
oh i am going to love this new series
I look forward to this. I've wanted a Martini Henry since i first saw Zulu on TV as a kid. And Ive wanted a magazine Vetterli since I ran across it in books.
My first rifle that I actually owned was a 58 caliber black powder carbine. Ended up trading it years later, as anyone will tell you, that was a huge mistake and, again, as everyone knows, I regret it to this day. I do now own an 1885 high wall. (45-70)
8:03
"Boom, headshot!"
Even if this channel wasn't about cool guns, I'd still love Ian and this channel.
How could anyone see this and not think that firearms can be so wholesome?
People who have bought into mainstream media fear-mongering.
Plus the Trapdoor Springfield weighs about 13 pounds which also helps mitigate recoil.
With my 1873 Springfield I was shooting a cast 405 gr lead slug and using Accurate 5744, which is designed for low pressure rifles like the Trapdoor.
I recently got an 1885 Springfield Trapdoor rifle so this is awesome to see!
For target shooting, many trapdoor rifles have a pinned front sight. The issued sight can be replaced by a higher front sight which can be filed down until point of impact corresponds with the point of aim for your chosen distance. The Buffington rear sight markings will no longer be regulated for the military load with the higher front sight, but the original issued sight is easily reinstalled.
Safari shirts, wicked cool hats, and a sweet rifle. So dang good
In the 1930’s my father bought one at a hardware store as a young man of twelve years old. There were barrels full of them as the government was selling off their vast stockpiles of obsolete weapons and ammunition.
Hornady offers very good data specs and explanations of pressure limitations in various guns chambered for the round that just won’t go away.
Nice stuff. The whole Getting toasty" thing was so well known, that British troops in the Cape got into the habit of sewing a band of cowhide around the barrel to protect their hands when the Marini's heated up. I just love these early, first/second gen single shot breach loaders.
I recently discovered CapandBall's channel and I've been really enjoying his videos on these weapons. I'm really looking forward to this series.
At this point, I have a Gras, a Martinie-Henry, and a Snider, and I've shot none of them because I don't the ammo.
I have a single round of original military 45-70. The one with the internal primer. Not sure what the loading is. It is in essentially new condition, no major corrosion on it. I'm always torn between just hanging onto it, or seeing if someone like Ian would like to tear it apart on camera........
I do miss when you would do these types of video's with Karl. You two always had good chemistry on camera, and great content together.
One of the reasons you are shooting high is that the sights are for the 500 grain bullet. The 405 grain bullet is likely a tad faster. Also the carbine load was reduced to 55 grains of powder due to excessive recoil and the wrist cracking. The original wrist of the Trapdoor model was long and skinny, and somewhat fragile.
Yesterday I got a Remington Rolling Block in .45-70 and it is an excellent rifle. Have a Trapdoor and a Martini-Henry
A small error: According to the Pitman Notes (vol.3), the original load was .45-70-405 (that's a 405-grain bullet) for the 1873 rifle and carbine. Later, the carbine load was changed to 55 grains of powder because of the recoil, retaining the 405-grain bullet. Later, too, they changed the rifle load to use the 500-grain bullet because it had better external ballistics. All of the Manuals of Arms for the rifle after about 1880 refer to the 500-grain bullet for the rifle.
As to shouting higher from the prone, note that the US manuals for this rifle by Captain Henry Blunt (1885 and 1889) specifically says that the dangerous space is increased because of the lower position. The sigh was set on the assumption the rifle was 56 inches from the ground.
If you're going to do an episode on the Snider (and you should, they are perfect for this series), check out a book called "Historical Shooting with the Snider-Enfield Rifle" on any of the big book outlets.
When I acquired an M1884 Carbine I was surprised how well the extractor works and how fun it is to shoot. No wonder Geronimo like to carry one of them!
This might seem boring but I'd also like if you made a video on how to clean these types of guns and maybe others as well just so we could see the differences in cleaning procedures. You said its easy to clean and I think it would go a long way in getting people interested in these types of firearms if they could see the entire process.
Guy "shot a Martini." Sure hope he wasn't at a crowded bar!😂
Crowd was little shaken.
"We sloshed you with Martinis, an' it wasn't 'ardly fair;"
Dad joke for the win
this stirred me up
Very stirring moment, though.
Man I remember seeing a carbine one of these many many many years ago at a Cabelas. Thought it was so cool looking. At the time I was just starting to really get into guns and had no idea what it was. I remember it being not very much but back then I didn't have money for stuff like that. Really wish I had saved to pick it up; well looking back at what prices on things were picked that up and so many more things lol.
I just picked up a sporterized trapdoor, but it was actually done pretty well with a new liner and a very pretty stock. I intend to use it hunting some even with just some newer smokeless loads and hollow points. I’ll be sure to pay attention to load data.
Its the Wild Bunch 😮
This looks like it's going to be a fun series. I look forward to seeing more.
Love the dude going ape shit at 9:20
Looks like fun.
On the "capandball" channel they do show how to make 45-70-500 ammo for this gun using an original loading-tool and 2F Swiss powder here on YT!
Thanks for the wonderful video, I have always been found of the 45-70, I even had plans to build one years ago however the action I chose was too short to accommodate the round, my fellow gunsmith gave me the idea to chamber my chosen action in .444 Marlin, which I did. Made a great rifle out of the old Styer Straight Pull although the clip system was a pain in the rear, I modified the action so the clip didn't get lost and stayed in the rifle till you needed to feed her more ammo. I took the little rifle with the 18 inch barrel and open sights that I mounted on her out to the field and took a nice White Tail Buck with the gun. Took it to a gun show just to display, another dealer fell in love with the rifle and made me an offer I could not refuse so I let it go. I still had the reamers for the round and a second barrel blank, so I turned that down and built another .444 on an 1917 Enfield action, mounted it on a fiberglass stock, put a nice scope on it, took a deer with that one as well but again, at the next gun show I took a nice Dan Wesson Pistol pack with 4 barrels in trade across the board for my build. I had another smith who helped me with the builds, I gave him the reamers and gave up on my desire for a big bore rifle. Sort of wish I had kept my little carbine though
Love the trap doors.
Mines an 1873 with the Buffington sight made in 1884 and yes, they definitely shoot high.
Mine started out as a rifle but some time after the guns were sold as surplus it was cut down into a carbine. The stock has a lot of wear but the barrel is in very good condition. An expert in these rifles told me it was very likely cut down just as soon as it purchased as surplus and used as someone's hunting/defense rifle which would explain the heavy wear on the stock and very little on the receiver and barrel. I have no idea how much of that is true but I absolutely love the gun.
Loved this video! I wish there were more videos talking about and shooting these guns.
My Springfield muzzle loader would shoot high too, i think its because of the slow burn and long barrel you get recoil and makes the barrel raise up before the bullet has left. But im not a gun expert...
I used one for a long time doing black powder western shows.
Blanks of course but still not something that's safe to be directly in front of at close range.
A lot of the challenge in doing those shows was making the audience think we were actually aiming at each other.
@9:23 is Jerry Mickulek is the next bay over lol
The carbine load has a 55 grain load of powder, .45-55-405. The military also adopted the .45-70-405 for the rifle.
I have difficulty getting 70 grains into the cartridge, settling with 50 grains as my standard load. This gun, by the way, was part of General Custer's Nemesis. Ejecting spent cartridges was a problem.
@@JohnnyBallouThat had more to do with the cartridge cases that the army cheaped out on than the rifle which the army cheaped out on. Evidently US Army was using copper cases not brass. After the point was made by the Indians about how badly the copper cases caused extraction issues and how those issues got people killed the army stopped cheaping out on the cartridge cases and switched to brass. They also issued tools and trained people on how to deal with the extraction issues.
I saw one of these at a flea market for $385 but passed on it. It was marked .45-70 (black powder) but was missing the cleaning rod and most of the back sight, along with having some dents in the wood. Didn't have the chance to really look at the markings and details. I kind of regret not going for it, now.
Great idea for a series.
👍👍
I definitely love seeing the two of you dressed like that. I don't know if it's the setting, the hat, (and I know it's a reenactment outfit) but I can't help but think of Fallout's NCR seeing you like that.
Shooting a Martini is fun, but drinking a Martini is even more fun
You had me at trapdoor...
I keep tellin' ya, I'm sure there's a nearby nun with a ruler that can cure that left-handedness! 🤣
The 'Trapdoor' rifle looks like you would be adequately armed...but one fly in the ointment was the copper cased period ammo which would foul and start to stick bad enough that the ejector would soon fail to extract and the Troopers had to resort to using a short knife to pry them out. What a pain if/when being overrun by hostiles! If only they'd have had brass cases back then...some encounters that went badly south might have turned out differently. (see Custer's last stand)
Oh...there were comparisons to the Martini-Henry 577-.450 Boxer cartridge which I believe offered better accuracy during long strings of fire because of the cartridge construction. They used a complex series of hard card wads along with a beeswax 'cookie' to scrape fouling with every shot and lay down a nice lube coating for the next round so along with the Henry rifling they maintained accuracy when many other rifles became fouled enough for it to degrade. Very lovely rifles...both Trapdoor and Martini-Henry and wonderful devices for burning 'The Holy Black'.
Interesting to see it being handled as a lefty under pressure. I know of at least one image of a US soldier firing one left handed in the field from the 51st Iowa's 1899-1900 deployment to the Philippines, and it always piqued my interest
Anyone else start going a bit insane by that damn bird chirp? I've never wanted to see Ian just shoot a gun more...
I find it really fascinating that some of the original 410 slug loads were meant to replicate the power of a 32 caliber muzzleloader for taking deer. Was the 32 caliber muzzleloader really so loved for small game? With the 32-20 introduced in 1882 for the same reason and then the same philosophy sticking around with 410 innovation into the 50s. That certainly fell out of favor with all the 300 winmag hunters out there. There is some reading out there somewhere about this I wish I could find it.
I have been trying to get a trapdoor that runs for a good while now. Originally got a barrelled action that needed some work in an auction lot for $20, then when parts were too expensive to make it worthwhile I bought another on auction only to find out some idiot years ago presumably tried to drill a new sling hole and drilled straight through the barrel into the chamber. The worst part is that they then welded the hole over and ground it flush so you can't tell from the outside or see the hole from the chamber. On the search goes I guess...
First
First American breech rifle to be issued in quantity
See, you said “first” but at least you added an actual contribution to the video. I’m alright with that.
Why did you say First two times? Are you having a stroke, aneurysm or are you just mentalöy challenged?
You will have to define "quantity". Hall rifles were made in a national armory, and issued in many hundreds, at a time when the standing army was in the low thousands.
@@vincentmueller3717 They made about 23000 Hall rifles. I would call it the first breach rifle in quantity. I just wish reproductions where made.
@christopherwatson34
Halls are an interesting early example of military breach loader. From an insurance liability standpoint, I can see why they aren't being reproduced commercially. Breach leakage and the fact that you can fire the breach outside of the rifle would make a lawyer either stroke out or buy a new boat, depending which side he represented. I also have a wish list for reproductions.
I like the way the rifle goes "chuff" instead of "bang"!
A good deal of that os a audio sampling artifact. The microphone is being overloaded by the volume of the shot and only gets part of the sound.
Agreed, what you hear on video isn't really what they sound like thanks to limitations of the recording techology. That said, in my experience black-powder rifles have a much deeper sound than modern ones, probably because the powder deflagrates so much slower. They make more of a boom than a bang.
(And flintlocks do go "chuff", but _then_ they go boom. :)
Black powder tends to be quieter. Most are subsonic too so you don’t get a sonic boom from the bullet just the muzzle blast and many have long barrels so that’s not super close to you. In between my relays in competition when I’m like 15 yards behind the line I can take out my earpro and have conversations comfortably with people while the next relay blasts away. No way in hell would I even attempt that with modern rifles. Even with some hearing loss from time as an infantryman I have to double up on earpro sometimes with modern stuff. BP just cheap foamies is fine every time.
@@ZGryphon Afaik, a tactic for certain kinds of raids (or for poaching) was to short-load the weapon. Not enough - one hoped - to let thr bullet get stuck in the barrel, but enough that the report was softer and less obvious.
Of course, effective range would be significantly reduced, but for that kind of work that wasn't a major consideration anyway. Neither was having to pull a possibly stuck bullet before reloading. If you needed to reload, something had gone terribly wrong.
@@CoreySimmons85 Given that these guys appear to know what they're doing, and assuming their loads are accurate, both the lighter "carbine" load and the regular rifle load for this rifle will break the sound barrier from the rifle specifically (I say specifically because the carbine load fired from a carbine will be subsonic).
Enjoy the shooting videos more than the table tops. Best are in depth table top then shooting after👌🏿
Someone should sell a modern remake of one of these black powder, cartridges fed, single shot rifles. Complete with the full kit needed to handload the cartridges. Market it as both an easy intro to black powder rifles and an easy intro to handloading cartridges.
Me,while jumpinhg up and down screaming at the laptop: "Brown Bess! Vetterli! Charleville!"
Well the carbine needs to be checked out to see if the 500grain recoil is noticeable. Oh my son is a lefty 👋🏻 and me being a righty it does make things challenging in teaching for both of us the other side of the coin.
Ian got me tryin to that bird in my room
Waiting for the Rolling Block test!
For quicker reloading stage 3 cartridges between the fingers of your off hand.
Who cares about the Trapdoor. Can we talk about Ian's hat? Hehehe....
As always, Ian's cosplay is on point.
Wait, are you telling me that the Trapdoor Springfield wasn't _actually_ a conversion for muzzle-loaders, it just conceptually started that way?
No. The originals were direct conversions of muskets. Look up the Allen conversion. Those barrels were sleeved down and known as 50-70. When they started making new ones, they made them in 45 70...... but may still have used a few of the old parts from the original muskets or musket conversions (stocks, locks, buttplates, triggers).
@@leewilkinson6372 Got it, thanks for the clarification.
This will be a great series.
Any chance you can get a close view of the target ??
Finally something I have!!!!
We want a Rolling Block! We want a Rolling Block!
What do we want? A Rolling Block! When do we want it? Now!
Nice gun sir
As a leftie, I'd think you could run a trap door or other styles of single-shot easier than a regular bolt gun, Ian.
I had an H & R repro of the Trapdoor Carbine. The recoil was.... stout.
Early gang here before frickin smokeless
Hey ho, reporting for duty sir!
First generation of breechloaders had often a different load for rifles and carbines. Sometimes cartidges had also different csse length.
DEAR DUDE:
Please, if you have not already, look up and maybe make a vid on another gun that just popped up in my recommended;
"The Dreyse Needle rifle"
Yes others have a video on it, but i like _your_ videos and way of going into things.
Thank you.
Ian has had lots of guests who are good at shooting or who know a lot about guns. Tom is good at both of these but he's excellent at coming across on video and communicating, too.
The shotgun expert - his name evades me now - was enjoyable as well.
@@The_Modeling_Underdog "Russell," I think?
@@matthewspencer972 Yeah, I think his name was Russell.
Fired an original 1873 rifle pretty extensively back in early 70s when you had to hunt/order the ammunition. The steady diet of factory W-W 405 smokeless ended up being a bit much, she got to puffing back at you and got retired.
I shoot my dad's 1884 trapdoor every father's day. So easy to get hits and so fun!