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  • The Springfield Trapdoor Rifle
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 505

  • @ArizonaGhostriders
    @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +97

    ***Correction: Little Bighorn Battle was in Montana, not S. Dakota.****

    • @bradywells6447
      @bradywells6447 Рік тому +6

      Happy international cowboy day

    • @scenicdriveways6708
      @scenicdriveways6708 Рік тому +7

      Yes sir. Right off I-90 in Crow Agency, MT on the Crow Indian Reservation.

    • @kmorris180
      @kmorris180 Рік тому +6

      I'm sorry you got that wrong and making a correction here won't fix it. You'll have to spend time in Purgatory (Colorado) for that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +6

      @@kmorris180 Purgatory is in Colorado??? I thought it was in the Sonoran Desert! Damn. Shouldn't have taken that left turn at Albuquerque.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +3

      @@bradywells6447 Thank You!

  • @kenkahre9262
    @kenkahre9262 Рік тому +57

    My dad picked up a 1873 infantry trapdoor back when he was young, thinking he would use it for hunting. Got it at a pawn shop and rode with it home on the street car. Nobody batted an eye. Doubt you could do that again today. I still have it today.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +6

      I bet it's accurate.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes 5 місяців тому +2

      Way less streetcars now, which imho is a shame.

    • @georgewashington3393
      @georgewashington3393 3 місяці тому

      He KNEW he could use it for hunting lol

    • @georgewashington3393
      @georgewashington3393 3 місяці тому

      I have my great grandfather's Winchester model 12 stamped 1928 when he bought it. He had that shotgun all through the depression into to 70s when my father had it. Taken so much game and still kicking. Snowshoes, fat Grey's grouse, it's all about taking care of your gun.

    • @georgewashington3393
      @georgewashington3393 3 місяці тому

      Don't get me about the winny 94 that my grandpa found in a basement moving into his apartment in Albany NY in 1957🤣

  • @sarahcrews2544
    @sarahcrews2544 Рік тому +35

    Thank you all for all the hard work you put into these. It literally makes me Saturday’s

  • @janblake9468
    @janblake9468 Рік тому +13

    I had an original trapdoor carbine, a wedding gift from my wife (in 1971), but a burglar took it a couple years later. I later bought a replica that shoots very accurately. One of my favorites.

  • @rhondaz356
    @rhondaz356 Рік тому +20

    Santee, *you and your comrades entertain and inform many of us, through so many diverse ways, week after week. I don't know how you do it, but I'm so grateful you do.
    THANK YOU 👏🤠👏 top-notch as ALWAYS

  • @Ulquiorra4163
    @Ulquiorra4163 Рік тому +13

    I remember this gun well cause I learned about it from the old show Wild West Tech, faults and all it's still one of the more successful conversions in firearms history. Also, it's worth pointing out another and bigger reason for the Army not adopting a lever-action was due to, as usual, money as he guns cost a pretty penny in the day. But a very forgotten issue was ammo as Henrys of the time weren't ammo compatible so new ammo would need to be made and shipped en masse. Now imagine trying to supply outposts and forts in potentially hostile territory to complicate things further. I would recommend peeking at InRange TV for a interesting what-if idea of Henrys getting issued in a very well-thought out way, it also expands on more reasons the gun never got adopted.

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher Рік тому +2

      Not to mention the relatively complicated mechanisms in the repeaters of the time, as opposed to the simple ones on the Springfield.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      Great firearm. Action is sweet

  • @kcthecowboy
    @kcthecowboy Рік тому +12

    I found one in a gun shop for $400 a few years ago. According to the serial number, I believe it was manufactured in 1973. Quite happy with the find.

  • @joecuppko40uh29
    @joecuppko40uh29 Рік тому +17

    Another great history lesson from Santee & Co.

  • @anangryranger
    @anangryranger Рік тому +8

    As a kid living on the Pine Ridge reservation, I hunted with an 1873 TD carbine that was taken from the field. My great uncle said it was from a trooper in the fight at the Greasy Grass. It had belonged to his father.
    I brought in alot of game with it. Kept the range within a hundred yards, as the loads were built with an old Ideal tong tool, with cast bullets and black powder. We used 55gr. and cornmeal filler. At 12 years old, that was a good load that didn't knock me silly when fired.😲
    That carbine was later given to an older cousin, as was tradition.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +2

      I hope it's still in the family.

    • @anangryranger
      @anangryranger Рік тому

      @@ArizonaGhostriders Oh it is. Lakota pass things down within the family. My great uncle let me use the weapon to hunt as he knew I'd bring back meat. And when I got a 1903A3 Springfield in 30'06, I'd be reaching out to bringing in pronghorn antelope. Then, with a better weapon to hunt with, the trapdoor was passed down to the eldest of the cousins. It was "on loan" to me because I could shoot well and was good at hunting.

  • @oregonoutback7779
    @oregonoutback7779 Рік тому +2

    3:06 .... "Custer met defeat in South Dakota" ...... Hmmm, I'm thinking maybe the Montana Board of Tourism may want to have a word with you, Santee. Might want to wear your arrow proof vest for that meeting 😁

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +2

      Yeah, already corrected that in the comments and description field. I had the wrong region in my mind when I was typing.

  • @EricDaMAJ
    @EricDaMAJ Рік тому +2

    19th century militaries take a lot of flack for not going whole hog on repeating firearms ASAP. But there were a host of good reasons from their viewpoint.
    The first is that they were expensive. Nations back then weren’t rich on the scale they are today. Income tax and populations that could afford it and would tolerate it didn’t exist. The US Army discarding the mountain of Civil War surplus rifles for brand new guns would’ve seemed insane.
    The other reason was logistics. Most European nations at the time projected power at the edge or beyond their already expensive rail, road, and ocean transport abilities. Even with rail there were many miles that required moving supplies through mountains and desert on wagons or donkeys. Yes, an army could win a pitched battle easily with repeating arms. But they were fighting long _campaigns,_ not necessarily pitched battles. Once the ammo ran out the troops would be left with bayonets vs. much larger native armies. Enemies fighting with home advantage and much better trained and equipped for hand to hand combat.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      Yeah. a lot of poor decisions due to finances. However, it's a terrificly accurate firearm.

  • @AlphaTraveler1
    @AlphaTraveler1 Рік тому +11

    As a political science major, I remember them saying that the biggest advancement in rifle was during the time of the pioneer times. Most of the mechanisms are still the same of similar. Very cool story Santee. 👍👍👍

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +3

      Thanks, and the industrial age was quite impressive!

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 Рік тому

      The biggest advancements came when someone came up with the ability to measure SMALL measurements. If you can go to 1000th of an inch, you can duplicate parts over and over. That’s what spurred the Industrial Revolution.

  • @StevenMMan
    @StevenMMan Рік тому +2

    Now I know it's been a few years since I've done historical interpretation at the old fort Laramie, and my hearing is bad. Or is it your checking to see if I'm paying attention?? The battle at greasy grass or Little Bighorn is MONTANA. 😊
    Mountain man

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      HAHA! It thought I typed it wrong in the narration script and didn't. However, what I recorded was S. Dakota. Maybe need to not drink while narrating...

  • @johnhudak3829
    @johnhudak3829 11 місяців тому +2

    Hey y'all, love the channel! I'd be interested in some talk on the various prairie belts that were used in the wake of the Little Big Horn battle. Keep up the good work!!

  • @f3uibeghardt522
    @f3uibeghardt522 Рік тому +2

    I remember hearing that the origin of the phrase 'lock, stock and barrel' came from the US military retrofitting all their older rifles, but I don't remember when this happened or what rifles they were. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      I think it just refers to the parts of those older rifles. In other words "everything"

  • @larry1824
    @larry1824 Рік тому +3

    Have a firing repro and a non firing repro and love em both especially the sights,and how substantial it feels in my hands. Have never fired enuf rounds at one time to have jaming problem that plagued troopers.

  • @jamalwilburn228
    @jamalwilburn228 Рік тому +2

    There was a "Twilight Zone" episode where a 1950s tank crew went in the battle. They died

  • @lolk4530
    @lolk4530 6 місяців тому +3

    The Springfield Trapdoor Rifle was actually used as late as World War 1 in a very limited capacity with the National guard

  • @eldorados_lost_searcher
    @eldorados_lost_searcher Рік тому +6

    Glad you mentioned the failings of the copper cartridges.
    Also glad to see some clips of Son of the Morning Star. I watched it when it aired. Had to negotiate a later bedtime to do it.

  • @anthonycalbillo9376
    @anthonycalbillo9376 Рік тому +8

    Wow, Bill and Rex both look like they're good shots after all these years!

  • @snappers_antique_firearms
    @snappers_antique_firearms Рік тому +2

    🤔I think there was a sidearm the Calvary used during the Era of the Trapdoor Springfield. If only I could remember what it was.😉

  • @NGMonocrom
    @NGMonocrom Рік тому +2

    I heard that Custer had two Gatling guns that day at his disposal, but chose to leave them behind because they were too bulky, heavy, and cumbersome. Not a Sherman tank, but I'm guessing things might have just turned out differently during the battle if Custer hadn't have jilted those two sweet Ladies earlier in the day.
    Also, back then the military didn't like repeating lever-action guns for another reason. They taught their soldiers to shoot from the prone position whenever it was necessary to make themselves smaller and thus harder to hit targets. That lever.... just got in the way.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      They still wouldn't have helped that much

    • @NGMonocrom
      @NGMonocrom Рік тому +1

      @@ArizonaGhostriders
      Probably not. Would have made for a much bloodier battle though.

  • @Mirokuofnite
    @Mirokuofnite Рік тому +2

    The Little Big Horn tank was that a reference to that Twilight Zone episode? Anyway, great episode, love the bit on the conversion. Got me thinking awhile back that the US military had a contest for a new rifle and caliber, but i can't help but think they'll just tool around with it for a decade and stick with the M4 due to production of scale for the guns and ammo. Which brings me to the idea that the US military will probably use the M4 until thry make a laser conversion kit for it.
    Kind of a joke thought experiment though.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      I never saw the Twilight Zone episode. Thought I had an original gag there. Oh well!
      Laser conversion might be cool!

    • @Mirokuofnite
      @Mirokuofnite Рік тому

      @@ArizonaGhostriders The episode is 'The 7th is made up of Phantoms' if you ever want to track it down.

  • @terryschiller2625
    @terryschiller2625 Рік тому +4

    General Custer with all the single shot trapdoors we're out numbered and outgunned at the battle of the greasy grass. Most of the native Americans had repeaters like the Henry and 1866 Winchester. Those Gatling guns that Custer left behind may have helped a little. Looking forward to the video of the 1873's being fired. Great video Santee thank you for your hard work and time Sir!🤠

  • @BJBlaskovichGaming
    @BJBlaskovichGaming Рік тому +1

    UA-cam UNSUBBED ME FROM YOU!!!! GRRRRRR! The Springfield is my battle rifle of choice in Red Dead Redemption 2. If I need to put fools down in 1-2 shots without using Dead Eye, this rifle right here is my go to.
    Always leave it to Dirty Dan to tell us what it REALLY is. 😂😂😂

  • @Mr_Fancypants
    @Mr_Fancypants Рік тому +3

    I once had a oppertunity to buy a trapdoor gun for 300 € but i didn't have the proper funding & was a bad time.
    I still cry.

  • @faceman96
    @faceman96 Рік тому +1

    I was thinking to myself "Hmmm, Santee should do a video on the 1873 Springfield rifle" Well low and behold... Thanks for the video, enjoyed it.

  • @tacticalmanatee
    @tacticalmanatee Рік тому +1

    I love the trapdoor action. It's impressive that the Italian replicas from Uberti/Pedersoli are proofed (as required by Italian law) to modern smokeless loads of .45-70. I have even heard rumors that the proof test cartridge used by Italian proofing houses is based on what we would call "Marlin loads", or 40,000 CUP pressures (vs 25,000 CUP for "trapdoor" smokeless loads that are closer to BP pressures). Either way, the modern Italian-made replicas are pretty darn durable firearms considering the age of the design. I'd love to own one someday but the cost for the Italian replicas is pretty high, $1,800 to $2,100 depending on model.

  • @jeffryrichardson9105
    @jeffryrichardson9105 Рік тому +1

    Great video and history! What about doing a video on the Remington-Keen rifle bolt action with exposed hammer Rifle!?👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

  • @doraran2138
    @doraran2138 Рік тому +1

    The Allin conversion, as well as the Snider conversion (Brits used) and the 'trabetierre'(sp?) of the French, became obsolete by around 1870, when purpose designed breech loaders such as Remington's rolling block, the Comblain, the Peabody as well as the bolt systems of Mauser, Mannilcher, Vetterli and others. As you mentioned, the M1873 was built on all new parts, but still had that obsolete design. Why military brass resisted more modern designs is well documented in numerous other sources, suffice to say the soldier seemed far down on list of concerns.
    Although essentially a dead-ended design, compared to the single shot bolt actions that readily morphed into repeaters, the Remington rolling block was likely most best of the bunch. Breech was easily opened, accesseble for simple wiping of fouling, had a larger more robust extractor and with trained soldiers, had a higher rate of fire. In fact, no one outside of US used trap door, but rolling block used by many countries in Latin American, Europe and far East. US Navy supposedly purchased many in lieu of trapdoor, as well a New York National Guard and others. In fact, rolling blocks lasted well into smokeless era with the 1902 Mexican version in 7mm Mauser and 1914 version in 8mm Lebel.
    Not knocking the trap door, I like shooting them, but just putting a little trivia and perspective.
    Occasionally seen are trap door Springfields with faux flint-lock parts, wood dressed to look like a Kentucky or other odd characteristics, These were likely part of the several thousand sold by movie rental shop around 40 to 50 years ago. While real history provenance uncertain the reel histoy conection s quite interesting.

  • @job38four10
    @job38four10 Рік тому +1

    So it wasn't the Springfield rile that caused bullet jams, it was the copper shell casings that kept jamming, I dont recall hearing that anywhere before. Either or, if it was Gen Terry's decision not to equip solders in 1876 with repeating rifles, then I lay the blame of Custers defeat at Terry's feet.......
    Without a doubt repeating rifles has a much better advantage in a battle than single shot rifles, but back in 1800's solders was dime a dozen, weapons was expensive, therefore if Gen Terry saved the government some money, he'd have a better chance of an increased retirement pension, along with others living off or in the government, it's almost the same today, scratch my back and I'll............

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      The gun is just fine if you use the brass cases. The Bloomfield Gilded Metal was having head separations.

  • @nagjrcjasonbower
    @nagjrcjasonbower Рік тому +2

    Nice! Can’t wait for the pew pew episode!

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross 11 місяців тому +1

    Custer's troops would have needed something more like belt-fed M60s and SAWs to have had arms that would made any difference. Certainly repeating Spencers would not have flipped the script - maybe buy them ten or 15 minutes longer to live.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  11 місяців тому

      I think a strafing from some A-10's would have worked.

  • @billrivenbark8983
    @billrivenbark8983 Рік тому +1

    Yes, but the 45-70 was used alongside the Kraig in the Span-Am war by the Buffalo Soldiers and was a hard hitting round.

  • @charlieswearingen500
    @charlieswearingen500 Рік тому +1

    I harvested an elk with my 1873 carbine 45/70, which literally slammed that elk to the ground.

  • @daveyjoweaver6282
    @daveyjoweaver6282 Рік тому +1

    Hey Santee, Can you use the Springfield in the fall? Kind Thanks! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

  • @marcosaraiva9205
    @marcosaraiva9205 Рік тому +3

    I never understood why not continue with Spencer carbine not to mention the Henry! Keep up amigo has always see ya down the trail

    • @AdaM48state
      @AdaM48state Рік тому +1

      Hi Marco, amigo!!!!

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      Right on

    • @marcosaraiva9205
      @marcosaraiva9205 Рік тому

      @ArizonaGhostriders When I mentioned the Spencer and the Henry is in period after the Civil War because there a picture taken in 1880s in New Mexico that is plain visible soldiers of US cavellary with Hotchkiss carbines !

    • @marcosaraiva9205
      @marcosaraiva9205 Рік тому

      @@AdaM48state I amigo Adam!

  • @dennishein2812
    @dennishein2812 Рік тому +1

    If only time travel existed I’d go back and by up as many rifles for $3.40, bring ‘em back to our time and sell them. Cheap to re-enactors of course.

  • @57WillysCJ
    @57WillysCJ Рік тому +1

    Stay cool in all that heat. Next week is going to be tough here, it might hit 90. Before all you in the west start laughing, remember we see -20 at night and days not above zero. If add a swing from a winter low to 90 which is 110 to Tucson's average say 20 + 110 = 130, we are both suffering.😅

  • @ZeRowe
    @ZeRowe Рік тому +1

    I would love to have one of these rifles but “when” you can find them they’re high dollar!… Dan, I thought it was pretty interesting.. Nut you always crack me up when that is in the video 😂 perhaps because it reminds me of me lol… 😜🇺🇸🍻

  • @Stuingtion
    @Stuingtion Рік тому +1

    Such an iconic rifle. And I own a Krag Carbine rifle. And proud of it. But I'd like to have one of these rifles.

  • @matthewmarek1467
    @matthewmarek1467 Рік тому +1

    Aww Santee, you mention tanks at the Little Bighorn and you didn't show a clip from The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms (Twilight Zone)? Though, to be fair, their tank didn't make it into the fight. A great vid as per usual. I love how you emphasize the economics behind the adoption of the Trapdoor.

  • @sopwithsnoopy8779
    @sopwithsnoopy8779 Рік тому +1

    What rifle was used in Unforgiven by Morgan Freeman? I was thinking trap door carbine, but then I remembered Eastwood had multiple shots, when he shot that first cowboy.

  • @ratknight6659
    @ratknight6659 4 місяці тому +1

    Awesome video! Such a cool rifle and it definitely served its country for a while. And I always did wonder why the military didn’t adopt the Spencer rifles/carbines or the Henry rifles more than the trapdoor rifle. But your video answered that question so thanks! And for the few trapdoors that were used during the Spanish American war. Wonder how the solider who had one felt when he found out he was fighting against fellas with bolt action rifles who could fire off five rounds before having to reload. Bet he was probably not happy lol
    Keep up the awesome work!

  • @robertjensen1438
    @robertjensen1438 Рік тому +5

    General Custer is addressing his men at the Little Bighorn. He says "well boys, I've got some good news and some bad news."
    "The bad news is that the Lakota are camped right down the hill. Come morning, they're going to overrun us. They'll ride roughshod over our whole company and leave us all dead, then probably mutilate our corpses beyond recognition when they're done."
    His lieutenant asks, "What's the good news, General?"
    Custer says, "Well, we won't have to ride through Nebraska again."

  • @tommyadkins844
    @tommyadkins844 Рік тому +1

    4:21 I once saw a Cuban Cartoon movie called Elpido Valdes set during the spainsh american war, There was a scene where a american soldier was showing off his springfield trapdoor to a cuban mambi rebel that was looking at it. The american soldier goes "This is a rifle, ever seen one Bang!, Bang! The mambi noticing that the ameircan is trying to make him looks stupid pulls out a Mauser Model 1893 an says "That not a Fuzil, this is a Fuzil" To the surprise of the American soldier. Ican only just imagne how many times this type of happened in real life.

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 Рік тому +1

    I don't think people understand just how bad the US Army was in that period from 1866-1898, especially at the height of the Indian Wars where they had ill trained soldiers who were barely taught how to use their rifles on a good day let alone in the heat of battle.
    Moreover, as others have talked about. Among the many reasons the Army didn't adopt repeaters was 1. The semi-valid fear soldiers would empty their ammo way too fast and now they're miles from more ammo 2. Certain kinds of Repeaters were still fragile and if a part breaks and parts are sitting in some warehouse in St. Louis and you're up in Montana, it's a club. 3. The Army and Congress were too cheap for its own good.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      You also left out that in testing the Springfield did much better at longer distances than the repeaters did.

  • @distlledbrewedreviewed
    @distlledbrewedreviewed Рік тому +1

    Interesting history and progression. That will be cool when you shoot that rifle, I can't wait for that video Cheers my friend.

  • @paulbramucci7586
    @paulbramucci7586 Рік тому +1

    I love the modern made sharps, Rollin blocks there making in pistol cartridges, wish they would make a .357 trapdoor . Cheap to shoot and better for my bad shoulders.

  • @tedebear108
    @tedebear108 Рік тому +1

    Good evening. It's Ted from San Antonio Texas. I have one of those Springfield trapdoor. Definitely a cool gun. Stay safe and cool

  • @scenicdriveways6708
    @scenicdriveways6708 Рік тому +1

    Great episode Santee.
    I've been to the Custer Battle Field a few times.
    By the way, does the Jam in a donut count as a daily serving of fruit? I'm asking for a friend. 😁

  • @swf91856
    @swf91856 Рік тому +1

    I have both the rifle and carbine models of the Trapdoor, but I prefer shooting my Krag. Great video, keep em' coming.

  • @jamesmetzler2031
    @jamesmetzler2031 Рік тому +1

    Great video! I knew that a lot of US rifles were captured by the native Americans ,but what I don't know is: how did they keep them supplied with ammunition?

  • @toddlenard7602
    @toddlenard7602 Рік тому +1

    I am pretty proficient with firearms. Not a professional by any means. I sure would like to see someone get off 15 accurate shots with a trapdoor. Especially under pressure.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      Me too. Remember, testing wasn't (and isn't) done on a battlefield.

  • @SmallCaliberArmsReview
    @SmallCaliberArmsReview Рік тому +2

    Very cool old rifle Santee! Very informative video too!

  • @roberthonan3492
    @roberthonan3492 Рік тому +1

    '"The enemy's Mausers," are why we licensed the tech for the next Springfield Rifle. Nice to see you not perpetuate any of the other Springfield myths, and directly reject the one that the rifle played any role in Custer's defeat. The enemy there had the skill and the numbers.Far better generals than Custer would have failed in the same situation. You do lose a point for failing to include that Custer left Gatling guns at base, to move faster.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +2

      Thanks, but I don't actually lose a point for that because it's in my Gatling Gun video (where it belongs).
      Appreciate the rest, though.

  • @georgemulligan5150
    @georgemulligan5150 Рік тому +1

    Was your comment on if a Sherman tank was available based on the Twilight zone episode?

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      No, I never saw that episode. Thought I had an original idea, there. HA!

  • @notfeedynotlazy
    @notfeedynotlazy Рік тому +1

    If they had a Sherman tank, then Sitting Bull would just have had to sneak to it and hit the little wheel labeled "Ronson" on thr back for it to go up in blazes 🙂

  • @JohnDoe-yg6ed
    @JohnDoe-yg6ed Рік тому +1

    I literally just bought one yesterday which is funny because it was the 150 anniversary like you said.

  • @rebelhomesteader
    @rebelhomesteader Рік тому +1

    I have a trapdoor carbine, original. According to the serial number it was manufactured/issued after little big horn.

  • @Rags2Itches
    @Rags2Itches Рік тому +1

    Now say the longer version of that rifle's name ten times ... fast. What a mouthful.
    I watched another video last night, listing the top five guns used in the Wild West.
    The Springfield trap door was one of them. It mentioned that the copper bullet casings could melt thus causing the gun to jam. Some of them, heck you'd of been better off with a sling shot, than all the fiddling one had to do to just to load it. That certainly would of inspired making model improvements and did so.

  • @TinkerPlaneCrazy
    @TinkerPlaneCrazy Рік тому +1

    Hey Santee,
    Can you make a video talking about break action rifles in the old west?
    No, I don't know how to pronounce my name

  • @ghostface1529
    @ghostface1529 Рік тому +1

    I think you might like this there’s a Smithsonian article about an old abandoned mid 1800s mine that was explored by a UA-camr and in it were seven pairs of 1880s jeans 2 of them being made by Levi’s they were in remarkably good condition since they weren’t exposed to the outside elements and they even had old candle wax stains from the candle headlamps that the miners who originally wore the jeans had used to light up the pitch black mine shafts
    While completely unrelated to the topic of the video I figured you might be interested in the article as you reenact the old west time period and this could either be an interesting read or help you make a more period correct uniform for a worker who needs rugged pants like jeans or if the character you made for your living history job used jeans
    Just google Levi’s jeans found in mine and it should be the article by the Smithsonian that gives some good info but other news outlets covered it I figured the Smithsonian article is a bit better being it’s made by a museum

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      Thanks for the info. I've never handled an original pair of Levi's...that would be neat.

  • @justinsane7128
    @justinsane7128 Рік тому +3

    You're looking more authentic all the time, kudos to your makeup artist 😉

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +2

      Only when I film at work. Otherwise I don't try to look authentic.

  • @TimKoehn44
    @TimKoehn44 Рік тому +4

    Excellent video Santee. I used to have a Model 1888 with the ramrod bayonet. Sadly, it was stolen. I loved shooting it. I need to get another. Have a great weekend! Cheers!

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      Thank You!

    • @wes326
      @wes326 Рік тому +2

      I have a 1884 trapdoor rifle Shot 20 rounds through it 40 years ago.Maybe I'll shoot it again one day. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Dsdcain
    @Dsdcain Рік тому +1

    Thanks Santee for another great video. Even if Dirty Dan said part of it was "stupid". It was still great,
    Stay safe out there, and take it easy man.

  • @noahmercy-mann4323
    @noahmercy-mann4323 Рік тому +2

    One of the first times the Trapdoor distinguished itself in an engagement occurred just a couple miles from where I live. A little backstory: In 1866, a woodcutting party from Fort Phil Kearney (established to protect the Bozeman Trail) near present-day Story, Wyoming, was ambushed by a group of warriors who included Red Cloud. All 81 of the men under Captain Fetterman were killed. They were armed with muzzleloaders, and the Lakota and their allies were primarily armed with bows. Fast forward to the next year. A party of 26 soldiers and 6 civilians were cutting wood just a couple miles from where the Fetterman massacre occurred, when they were attacked by several hundred (estimates run to over 1,000) Lakota and affiliated tribes' warriors. The woodcutting detail pulled the boxes off the chassis of their freight wagons to act as barricades, and began returning fire on the braves. This time, however, instead of muzzleloaders, they had the new Trapdoors, and even a couple Yellow Boys. The small force of soldiers and civilians successfully held off the much larger force of attackers for six hours until they were reinforced from the fort. Only three defenders died, while the Indian losses were in the hundreds (according to a surviving Oglala Sioux who was involved). Trapdoors were a genuine game changer for a few years.

  • @fhorst41
    @fhorst41 Рік тому +1

    I just saw a joke on an old reel of Rolland Martin's Laugh In that you should steal fir a bit.
    You say " I've got good news and bad news. I dreamt last night that I was naked on stage. That's the good news. The bad news is that I was riding shotgun."

  • @LionquestFitness
    @LionquestFitness Рік тому +1

    Looking forward to seeing you shoot it!

  • @larry1824
    @larry1824 Рік тому +1

    Have a firing repro and a non firing repro and love em both especially the sights,and how substantial it feels in my hands. Have never fired enuf rounds at one time to have jaming problem that plagued troopers.

  • @bewarethebear
    @bewarethebear Рік тому +3

    I'd love to see a four-way contest between the Trapdoor, the 1874 Sharps infantry rifle, the Remington M1867 and the Martini Henry .577/450 one day.
    All four military single-shot Big Boys in the ring together 😁

  • @buffalobob870
    @buffalobob870 Рік тому +1

    An iconic firearm for sure...it was on my bucket list to own a replica. Pedersoli makes a real nice replica and as such, the trapdoor is no longer on my list! Only oddity that I notice is the ejector on an original is much stronger than the modern replicas.

  • @brandon7482
    @brandon7482 8 місяців тому +1

    I have an original from the 1880s with the bayonet!

  • @DirtyFrigginHarry
    @DirtyFrigginHarry Рік тому +1

    Wish they'd made a modern "boys" version in 45 colt.

  • @dn88s
    @dn88s Рік тому +1

    A few months ago I watched ol yeller after years and noticed the kid had what appeared to be a trap door. I wondered if it was one of the early conversions. I assumed but didn't know these were sold surplus like most of the military guns back then

  • @ericruss4189
    @ericruss4189 Рік тому +1

    Another fantastic video! Happy birthday to you and Dan. Hope yall had a fantastic day.

  • @pocatellocowboy1077
    @pocatellocowboy1077 Рік тому +1

    I loved this one, brother! But of course you already know that!

  • @larry1824
    @larry1824 Рік тому +2

    Have a firing repro and a non firing repro and love em both especially the sights,and how substantial it feels in my hands. Have never fired enuf rounds at one time to have jaming problem that plagued troopers.

  • @denizen9998
    @denizen9998 Рік тому +1

    Too bad the post war US wasn't in a better situation with Great Britain. The Martini-Henry was far better rifle for a singleshot.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      Probably too expensive. Remember, the military here was wiped out financially after the war. It was a suitable solution.

  • @ObjectHistory
    @ObjectHistory Рік тому +1

    Never knew the origin of the story behind the trap door invention/method. Nice.

  • @duaneho555
    @duaneho555 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video. Great information as always Santee.

  • @skeletonbuyingpealts7134
    @skeletonbuyingpealts7134 6 місяців тому +3

    Little Bighorn was like the Civil War for these things, brother against brother, sister against sister.

  • @R8DRBeagle
    @R8DRBeagle Рік тому +1

    Santee, did you get your permission slip signed by Mrs. Santee so you can shoot real guns and not replicas?

  • @johnbroadway4196
    @johnbroadway4196 5 місяців тому +1

    There was an episode of The Twilight zone that used the idea of a tank Warren Oates was in it. Check that out.

  • @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods
    @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Рік тому +3

    Very good video santee that was fun

    • @oregonoutback7779
      @oregonoutback7779 Рік тому +1

      It was good seeing your AI clone getting some air time 😁

    • @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods
      @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Рік тому

      @@oregonoutback7779 lol yup

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it. I misplaced the battle of LIttle Bighorn in a neighboring state. I looked over my narration and I actually wrote "Montana" but somehow said S. Dakota and never corrected it.

  • @craigthescott5074
    @craigthescott5074 Рік тому +3

    I’ve got a 1865 Springfield 50-70 trapdoor rifle from my great grandfather who found it hidden up in the roof rafters of Fort Lowell in Tucson AZ in the early 1900’s. It was missing the cleaning rod and bayonet so I found originals for it. I will pass it down to my son.

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +2

      That's amazing. 11BangBang (the guy shooting in blue) has one of those.

  • @sambarnard9628
    @sambarnard9628 Рік тому +1

    Great topic. Great episode. Thanks for sharing this info.

  • @KevinBearden-t6b
    @KevinBearden-t6b Рік тому +1

    Custer had access to several Gatling Guns but he felt they would be to hard to transport

  • @kirkmorrison6131
    @kirkmorrison6131 Рік тому +3

    I have an original 1873, Trapdoor in 45- 70. It still shoots like a charm almost as well as my Remington Rolling Block given the difference between the military and vernier sites. I use a 405gr bullet, lubed with tallow mix 70 grns Bp with a wad of cardboard and a thin grease wad. A wonderful old rifle

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому

      Cool

    • @dennis56
      @dennis56 Рік тому +1

      Why the cardboard wad ?
      I don't use one in mine.

    • @kirkmorrison6131
      @kirkmorrison6131 Рік тому +1

      @@dennis56 well you can use bonded paper, I live in the South and sometimes a box is out long enough to soften. I have had problems in matches in PA, so o
      The cardboard allows better compression and absorbs melted lube and protects the powder.

  • @pilgrimm23
    @pilgrimm23 Рік тому +1

    Hey Santee I see you have my friend Garrett roped in on this. You know their channel is doing a history thing soon on (almost) all models of the trapdoor? BTW: Little Big Horn? You mean the Battle of the Greasy Grass -Grey Pilgrim

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, Greasy Grass, Little Bighorn, Custer Fight, Peji Sla Wakapa.
      Known to the 7th Cavalry as, "Oh damn, this was a mistake."

    • @pilgrimm23
      @pilgrimm23 Рік тому

      @@ArizonaGhostriders I only know a little Dine` Tah. not that northern babble :) Just a dumb bilagaana Hillbilly here :)

  • @ronaldomello4463
    @ronaldomello4463 Рік тому +2

    Muita história. Muito legal.

  • @darinweiszbrod3823
    @darinweiszbrod3823 Рік тому +1

    Great job ,Santee , I learned a lot , Keep up the good work and stay cool ...

  • @joshuabarnett3639
    @joshuabarnett3639 Рік тому +2

    I'm looking forward to that shooting video, santee . Happy International Day of the Cowboy

  • @chubbethsthunder
    @chubbethsthunder Рік тому +2

    Another great video. Thank you very much. Have a blessed weekend.

  • @dougmartin8664
    @dougmartin8664 Рік тому +2

    I always enjoy these videos, and I know you put a lot of hard work into them. It’s just too bad Custer’s boys didn’t have Martini-Henry rifles. On second thought, they had Custer, who divided his forces in the face of a numerically superior enemy. He was no Alexander the Great, so…

  • @davidr2975
    @davidr2975 9 місяців тому +1

    What was the name of that movie that you showed in the the beginning of your video?

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  9 місяців тому

      It might have been Sargeant Rutledge. I can't remember.

  • @tyrranicalt-rad6164
    @tyrranicalt-rad6164 Рік тому +3

    Reach for the Sky, Santee !!! 💥🔫 🤠

  • @scottdunkirk8198
    @scottdunkirk8198 Рік тому +1

    I have an 1870 model of trapdoor, the 1868 model and 1870 didn’t use an old barrel but a purpose built barrel, only the 66 had the 58 barrel with the .50 sleeve brazed inside.

    • @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods
      @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Рік тому +1

      I have both models as well and the 1868 models made in 1869 still had the lined barrel the 1868s in 1870 have new barrels my sources are the books by Richard Homsmere and the the springfield trapdoor book 2 by Al Frasca

    • @ArizonaGhostriders
      @ArizonaGhostriders  Рік тому +1

      So many versions...

  • @tlinrin887
    @tlinrin887 Рік тому +1

    Very fun rifle, if anyone is interested do some shopping original specimens can be had for less than a repro.

  • @squint04
    @squint04 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Santee, fine episode!! Have a great week