2020 Harley-Davidson M8 Oil Pump Updates 'Cause S$#! CHANGED! | Shop Talk Episode 35
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"Shane, doesn't he look like he shouldn't be within 100yds of a school?"😂 That had me rollin!
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This info is what we need. Big appreciation
Great video when you finally got to the details.
Interesting. Good info for all M8 owners! Keep up the good work guys.
Another great and informative video really enjoy the info you guys provide
Love these comparison and tech videos, keep it up!
always top notch ... great stuff , guys !
I have a 2018 road glide ultra. I did as u recommended going with the 2020 HD oil pump. After, my bike had oil sumping problems. Then I installed s&s cam plate and pump. Life is good now
Digging that paint job
Excellent info thanks for all your efforts... much appreciated
Thanks men!
The comedy is great and the info is also spot on. 😂😂😂😂
Great vid!
really appreciate these comparison videos you guys put out!
Thanks for the support.
Thanks guys....Glad I found your channel...you're funny, very informative and easy to follow. Enjoying how you explain everything in good detail along with the reasons, especially regarding important issues. Very cool...sub'd.
Great info. Thanks.
Nice job !!
Thanks for the informative video. Great video.
2019 Road Glide Ultra, 2 weeks ago early Feb, 2020, I went with a S&S cam chest & oil pump and Woods 22X cam, adjustable push rods and new cam bearing. D&D 2 into 1 pipes. Vance and Hines FP3. Started project with 2300 miles on bike. Took me 3 days. 1day tear down, 1day rebuild, 1day pipes and then a week later got bold and went for 16"apes. YIKES, Every trick in the book but did it. 2 days to pull wires through Factory 47 16" bars with new heated grips. 4 hours total so far at highway speeds 65 to 100 mph no issues no squeals or knocks and no leaks. Have not told the wife yet. Maybe next month. Your videos helped choosing which route to go. Runs great, sounds great, feels great. Thank for you for your efforts on videos. Now if it will quit snowing and raining. sigh near St Louis area in Illinois
We are ready for a weather break too!
Of note, the bike is louder, so riding down the highway there is extra rumble to deal with, and full tank of gas goes about 205 instaed of 240 at 70 to 75 mph.
HIGHSPEED DRAG55 if
Your ever in the area we would recommend having us tune it for you. Your mileage can be improved afterwards. Glade you like
It! Nice setup!!!
Hey guys this is great, thanks.. I understand that some/most late model 2019s have the upgrade... I can't tell when my motor was built, but the build date on my bike is 5/13/2019... I haven't noticed any issues.. and I'm running a California Stage III... hope you can help. Thanks again!
Schweet paint job on that RG 🤘
Great video,Very informative well spoken
Thanks so much Moonshine your technical info is much appreciated.Will definitely be taking all points mentioned when building my m8
Cruisin' with Cannibal thanks for
watching!
@@MoonshineHarley just subscribed and i encourage our techs to watch your channel also. Learn more here than school no bs ✌
So I just replaced my stock 2017 oil pump that was working just fine. I was doing a Stage 2 so was advised to do the pump. Mild Stage 2 107 so went with brand new HD pump. The pump had two vanes let go during the dyno tune. Now Im going with what my builder recommended from the get go, a Fueling at $700 over the HD.
May 2020 rode my 19 Electra glide standard up to Moonshine HD from Jax Florida. They put the S&S
Cam chest kit 465G in the bike. This was an Awsome change in bike performance! Harley wants your bike to last 2
Years. I want it to last way past that. My advice and Moonshine will tell you......if u open up that cam chest, get rid of
All that oem trash, not just the oil pump because the cam plate is just as bad as their oil pumps
good info thanks
You guys are so badass. I am in the Army and currently live in Virginia. I am moving to tx In June. I need to set something up so I can stop by and have you all install a cam!
Thank my lucky stars I waited til 11/2020 to buy my RGS!
Awesome video guys. What is the shop time to replace the oil pump in the 2017 fltrx? Thanks
great video ur guys are awesome!!!
I want Moonshine HD to handle all my performance upgrades. 2019 SGS. Stage 1 done already.
Good shit guys, pity our local (Australia) Harley people are not so forth comimg with oil pump info
We are so well versed because we do 5-10 engine builds a week. Most shops do not get that kind of exposure so they aren't aware.
Gentlemen thank you for this very informative video I have a 21 roadglide ready to upgrade one question what is your preference fueling or S&S thanks
Why didn’t HD fix these bikes as they being sold. I have 19 SGS with 4400 miles 9 months old with bike in pieces. . Needs pistons cylinders pump oil pan and valve seals from dealer under warranty after motor almost ruined from failing pump. Pump did not scavenge oil back to pump. Not happy with HD at this point. Bike was built may 2019 and people should know this issues and new oil pumps should be installed. It will save a lot of $ for everyone in the long run.
Because then they wouldn't be able to sell the screaming eagle oil pump and cam plate
This issue shine's a horrible insight on harley's attitude to their customers, and their perceived responsibly
Harley wouldn’t like seeing the last sentence lol
i just got a 2020 street bob , not wanting to much more so stock oil pump will be fine for stage 2 with cam and tune TBR and air filter .be fast enough for me for a while ,
i have 2019 rgs with stage2 torque cam do i need to up grade oil pump and are cam plate.TI is all stock hd parts i love sound and power just wish had money to go bigger on bike.thanks for info you all shows us out here.keep rubber side down.
Probably too early to tell but do you think the 2020’s will suffer from the previous years problems? I own a 2020 Street Glide and am debating between buying the extended service plan or upgrading to fueling or S&S parts. Not concerned with building a monster engine. Only concerned with long term reliability.
Great video guys and information, always like how objective and honest you guys are in your videos👍 Best m8 tech videos on you tube 👍👍
Thank you. We try to just put out information. Not bash or put our opinions of manufacturers on the internet.
Aggie Frazao Thanks brother!
I binge watch your videos like my wife binge watches the bachelor . I’m a nerd for this stuff .
same. half time time i dont know what theyre talking about though.. lmao
Anything better than stock.
NYC Shouting Tennessee Moonshine Harley out with love!Keep it up.EXCEPTIONAL VIDEO!I gotta pass through there one day.
Thank you.
Levi Evans make sure you find
Mike and Me Jamie when you do.
You're Welcome.Will do!
Knowing is half the battle
Yo Joe!
Play Josh it's me kids the TJ my dad's in California and the seahorse to buy at the Forum I have some money at somebody get for that trail tell him I said hi if you're over there, can you call me anytime call me at 9:06 you playing on my phone number 906
I can't, I just can't. At least they didn't make you wait another 3 years to get the M8 close to okay.
Great video guys, thanks for sharing. i don't know whether to go from my evo to a twin cam or a m8 with all these things with the m8's
RSB Harley M8 all day!!! It makes
Power easily and has less problems than its predecessors by far.
keep the evo
You guys are so deep in the smallest of details that I’m not sure to let no one do a big build on my bike but you guys unfortunately I live in Miami not Tennessee.
tacmac95 we pick up and ship all over the country! We are in Florida monthly. Please call the shop and ask for Aaron or Jamie when you’re ready 615-274-4170
Thanks you guys I have a question I have a 2020 road glide I did a cam upgrade I would like to put the fuelling Cam played in will my 2020 oil pump work with that I would think so thanks for all your great experience that you’re sharing with us makes such a difference very much appreciated from Don Schlegel in Vancouver Canada
I f#*kin love you guys, wish I would’ve known about you guys along time ago. “Cause shit changes@!!!!
Do you know the earliest build date that HD started using the newer backing plate with the seal??? I have heard that the latest oil pump starting going in the 5/19 and later builds, but did the backing plate with seal go in earlier builds???
Thanks guys!
In the process of putting my 124 together right now in my 2017 and noticed my pump has the groove for that seal, called the dealer today to get one. Wasn’t sure if it was really necessary but had heard about the seal fixing the cavitation issue. Glad to see it was a good idea to get the seal.
HDstreetshark it was a good idea!
3 years ago
And Both specs where marked "in writhing " as 'Fueling'... 11:54 ...
Ok excellent video for M8 owners. How about some info for folks like me looking to purchase a 2017 ultra limited low. Should I stay away from the early models and save enough $ to purchase a 2020. And if I do purchase a 2017 what can I expect to pay to have it upgraded to the 2020 oil pump.
Nice VDO, i have 2018 RG and Im looking to upgrade the Oil pump, What is a part Number for M8 2020 Oil pump kit ? Thank you.
What is the part # for the 2020 oil pump, cam chest? My runout is to much for S&S or Feuling
My 2017 ultra m8 need all your updates and your oil pump cam plate fueling bearing adjustable pushrods and roller bearing holders gasket tuning pleas
Are you guys coming across a lot of newer bikes that the run out is out of spec?
I have a '19 RGS with only 2100 miles on it so far and was looking at the S&S pump and plate. I would think it would still be fine at this point but then again....
Great work as always guys. I'm just outside Chicago but would love to have you guys do some work on my ride. The attention to detail is key....and Mike's a bada$$. 🤟
The rotating assembly of the M8 is very sturdy and true and most of the time they are in spec. The bike in the background I took apart this morning right before the video and wasn't worried about it not being in spec. That being said,. We measure every bike every time we get to that point whether it's an M8, a Twin Cam, evo, sportster, what ever.
Kinda explains why the Harley dyi and independent shops like crying and hating on Harley’s products. Looks like Harley’s on-point when it comes to finding out what’s wrong and how to fix it. It also shows how some are trying to force power through a part not designed to handle it as in this case. A stage upgrade with standard stock parts.
They cry because they don’t know how to leave the damn bike alone. I have a 2017 Street Glide Special , in Hard Candy HotRod Red Flake. Recall for the , secondary clutch actuator . Mine was fine, but it was changed anyway. Those who bitch all the time are either not a Harley owner or they messed the bike up.
@@tax905972 Umm I had a softail that needed an engine rebuild due to Harley's shitty compensator shearing metal into the case. They knew for years it was bad, didn't address it until 2012, my bike was an 09. I am doing the SS kit because I know that stock pump is garbage, Just like they had to vent my primary for oil migration.
@@gotchu99 shit happens, it’s a Machine. Normally a broken compensating means a new compensator maybe a chain maybe a stater not a new motor so what else did you do to it?
@@gotchu99 did you make a track bike without changing the compensator?
@@gotchu99 I had a 2010 road king, with the 96ci twin cam motor. Stater went, leak at the transmission cause they put the hottest part of the exhaust next to it, so the gasket failed. All repaired under warranty no reoccurrence. Shit happens. If you think other brands don’t have issues your fooling yourself. I had a Suzuki Boulevard m50, when you ride it for a long time the transmission begins to slip. So much for Japanese Quality and reliability. As for Indian recalls they would actually start on their own while sitting in your garage,putting your family members at risk of being killed if you have a attached garage. They all have issues.
What's the part number for the newest harley oil pump?
Thanks for the info. I was looking to get the feuling RACE series for when I went stage 2 on at 114 Fat Boy.
Didnt know about the run out requirement.
Was gonna go with a Woods 222 Cam, Feuling RACE pump and camplate, HP+Lifters, FuelMoto Pushrods.
So if my crank is above 1/5000th I gotta ditch the feuling pump.
What about swapping to Gear driven, does that help increase longevity? Or just helps with timing? Whats the runout limit on gear drive over chain?
If your crank is above .005 of runout you have to go to a different setup or get the runout fixed #timex bearings
what is the part number for the new oil pump set up
Poor Shane!
What are the tolerances for the S&S oil pump set up. How much pinion shaft runout is too much?
Do you check the pressure on the pump before install? My TC3 plate was set to 35psi which was great for stock. The 08 Zippers 117 needed 57psi
Have a 2018 slim just ordered a new 2021 oil pump bike only done 7800km.
Was looking at putting in S&S adjustable push rods an lifters..S&S valve cuffs..an a zappers 468cam...or cyclerama 480..which cam would u use??
What about the oil pump for the water cooled Ultra.Its a different part number to the oil cooled pump ??
What if the pinion shaft runout is more than the what the spec is what needs to be done?
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I just updated my chest with OE+ fueling plate, lifters, pump and S&S 510c cams on my 02' 95 build. I was a little taken back that they don't feel the need for a seal between the pump and plate. I get around 12-15 at idle and around 42-45 when cruising. It also hasn't really been warmer than 50 degrees here in Massachusetts and I think I hit oil temps of 200 once this late winter while sitting in traffic but switched to dino 20w 50 VR1 oil since the upgrade and the engine has been quieter than i've ever heard it with 36k. Using my automotive stethoscope, all areas sound nice and squishy as if oil is flowing nicely, fingers crossed. I'll probably get maybe 10k miles if I'm lucky through the summer and fall then open her up and check to see any abnormal wear. Should there be any extra fine materials after my first oil change with the new set up? I probably have around 300 miles on the new plate and extras. I didn't go with the race version only because I don't think I'm pushing much more than 100/100. Great video guys and thanks for the info.
Sully seal is only needed on the M8 designed cam chest.
Thanks for the explanation. Had my oil pump replaced last month under warranty. Actually didn’t know I had an issue, took bike in for clutch recall, tech called a few days later and asked to keep the bike for another couple of days to replace the oil pump.
I am very happy he caught and corrected the issue.
What issue was the engine having to convince the dealer the oil pump needed to be updated?
Jim Koch ,
I was not having an issue with the bike, but the tech advised the oil pump needed to be replaced and did so under warranty. I did not notice any sumping or leakage, but had read in several articles about the early M8 motors having oil pump issues.
Mine is a 17 that I purchased in March of 18, left over. Warranty expires in two weeks.
@@rickyhawkins7407 I think it's interesting that they would volunteer to open the cam chest and replace the oil pump when it wasn't showing any signs of having issues when the bike was in for a recall. I was just wondering because I upgraded my oil pump when I changed the cam but otherwise would have left it alone.
Jim Koch The tech knew he had one of the first pumps so he did what’s best for his customer. Need more techs like him in the field.
Jamie Lima
So true...wish more techs were like this.
Just installed the S&S 475C cam, oil pump, oil pump plate, etc...so im good not having installed the oem o-ring behind the pump? Great content subscribed.
We would have installed the o-ring. The o-ring provides extra benefits.
Can you run the oil cooled pump on a twin cooled bike ? Looking to put the 22xe or the 468 in my 17 RGU and debating on the SS oil pump or save some money and get the oe upgrade. Thanks in advance
You guys should just have your own brand of bikes and take the HD name off of it! Great shop!
What is the part number on the newest HD oil pump? It is proving to be difficult to find the part number online, and with so many revisions, I want to make sure my dealer gets me the RIGHT oil pump.
Good luck getting one from S & S. I’ve been waiting 5 months just to hear something. Horrible customer relations.
fuel moto
Could you review the new screaming eagle cam plate for M8?
Is the oil pump pressure from 2020 M8 enough to run with the s&s 475c without changing to the s&s oil pump? btw i’m runing the FXLR 107 M8.
So what if you buy the S&S and your pinion shaft is over .005? Whats the fix?
I have a 21 ultra bout to get a cam swap installed should s high pressure pump be installed
So which one is better ? S&S or fueling
How about the New SE M8 Cam Plate and Pump
So since runout is so important, what is the life expectancy of the of the Fueling and S&S products vs OEM. Looking at it in another perspective. How long is it before I’m going to have to change the S&S brass bronze bushing or the Fueling parts before they are worn out - or how often should I /we check the runout????
Thanks
Blackfeather
Great Video guys!! Good info!! Poor Sasquatch lol 😂
We need to see the pump not the hands . Thanks for the video
Maybe I'm confused however you stated that when you upgrade to a larger cam you get more heat. My understanding from all info I have heard is 1st you will ave done a stage 1 before a cam upgrade which the stage 1 is suppose to help run cooler because of it running less lean from factory. Then with a cam upgrade it would be logical to add even more fuel which if more fuel equals cooler running then how can a cam upgrade produce more heat. Also if your crank pinion is not within tolerance for the new cam plate then wouldn't it be out of tolerance from the factory there by chewing up your factory cam plate?Just trying to learn . Thanks.
How does the S&S or Fueling pump compare to the SE upgrade?
Would it be advantageous putting a new cam chest and pump on stock motor I’m not really sure I want more than stock. 117’s will get to the speed limit in a hurry.
I just want the cam 😉 without goin thru stage 1 etc
So in short WHATS the best s&s or fueling
I’ve got the 2018 117 breakout stage 3 never ever has an issue at all with anything!! Done 30,000km so far ridden in 2 degree weather and pissing down with rain and ridden in 52 degree weather...not a single issue
KostaAtlas awesome!!! Ride safe.
Moonshine Harley thanks mate!! Same to you
OK, so what's your measured runout and endplay??
Wondering if anyone has added elec. oil pump for cold start up?
Have you guys found a lot of M8 crank shafts that were over 5 thousands run out ? I am running the fueling pump and never asked if the builder checked the run out. I am sure he did.
Freedom Rider not a lot but we do get them from time to time.
Nice beard!👍🏻 good video
Richard Thanks Brother!
Shit is rad. Keep it comin. I'm not even in the market for this shit and it's still fascinating. Can you do something on the crate 131 and it's competitors?
The S&S and the fueling that's crazy on the oil pressure difference but on the S&S you guys did not mention that it has a brass bushing on the cam side in the fueling does not if I'm saying that right I would love to have the more oil pressure but what does the fueling idle at
They did mention it in there first video...comparing the above three oil pumps
Great information, thanks. I have a 2017 RGS. For a Stage II with cam, would the new 2020 oil pump be sufficient? Also, can I use my stock cam plate or is there a 2020 cam plate I need to buy? Appreciate the help.
Know these are old, just replying for reference. Yes, stock 2020 pump is fine for Stage2 or Stage3 even Stage4. Of course if you go bigger 128 etc, sure, up the pump because you need more oil. Your cam plate is fine they put a seal and baffle inside to help with the oil sumping. KB
Hi can you tell me the part number on the newest Harley oil pump for oil cooled M8 harley
I have a 2022 Street glide special putting a S&S 465 cam with a D&D exhaust and keeping the stock oil pump. I believe I am okay doing this what's you all opinion with that?
Hi I have Harley-Davidson street glide special 114cc built December 21/2018 do you know if Harley-Davidson put back plate seal in all 2019? Trash told me I need this up grade before putting there crank case vent kit please let me know if you have this information cheers 🍻.
My 114 fat boy with a November 2018 motor build date has the rear seal on the pump.
Just installed new S&S pump and plate today along with 475 camshaft lifters,cuffs and Quickee pushrods.
My new pump also had the recess to accept the crankshaft seal o-ring
Philip Roberts Perfect! Do you have a good tuner close to you?
@@MoonshineHarley no Dyno close to me,I flashed a base map on my FP-3 and will run a auto tune at some point.
Im playing with the idea jumping ship to a DynoJet power vision,but im going wait till I have run a few tanks of fuel on auto tune with the FP-3.
I haven't ridden it yet as I only did the work on it yesterday and the weather isn't great here in the UK.
Philip Roberts the fp3 is a terrible tuner with very limited capabilities. The power vision is a great interface and can adjust all parameters. Also I’d recommend getting target tune to really have the bike dialed in
Don't believe everything you hear. Fp3 has been great for me and service has been top notch.
@@cag31011 Exactly. My shop that builds motors all the time said FP3 is fine for a cam swap. VH uploaded me a map for it and I will autotune that one for about 500 miles. Am I leaving some HP and TQ on the table? Probably, but doesn't bother me.
I have a street Bob 19, with stage 1 and does not feel comforting when there so much talk about the oil pump, should i change pump as a preventive measure?
It isn't a necessity. The oil pumps work fine the motor company just continually evolves. If you are upgrading the cam I would at least install the latest HD pump at that time. This video is just information to help. I get so many questions on oil pumps and cam plate options this will hopefully answer some of those questions.
Sooo.2020 Fatboy 30th...when I do s&s cam, don’t worry about the pump so much? Seems aftermarket would be a waste if not bumping the power significantly.
cembandit not needed but they do
provide extra benefits. Up to you.