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2020 Indian Challenger...The Best Bang For Your Buck Bagger?
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2020
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I now ride a 2019 Harley Road Glide Ultra with a 114 engine, Woods cam, Fuel moto mufflers, Fulsac head pipes, dyno-tuned Power Vision, Screaming Eagle Ventilator air cleaner. I took a test ride on the 2020 Indian Challenger base model in sport mode. The 108 engine accelerates so much harder from 3,500- 4,000 RPMs than the 114 engine in my Harley. In my opinion, the paint job on my Harley looks so much better than any Challenger that Indian makes or any of the Indian big twins. The seat is so much plusher on my Road Glide Ultra and comfortable too vs the Challenger seat or even the Indian Road Master. The switches on all of the 2020 Indians look so much cheaper made vs the switchgear on my Harley. Even with Rhinehart mufflers installed on the Challenger, the exhaust sounds so much better on my Harley. I still own a 2015 Victory XCT too.
Test rode one 2 weeks ago.... and compared it to a Goldwing and Road Glide... This was hands down where my money went. American made and just the better bike.
Better than a goldwing? IDK. Goldwing is more refined and has a topcase.
@@nokoolaid ..True. but the feeling I get on one is numb. The experience on the Challenger was just a more engaging time. And thats why I ride instead of drive.
James L
Agreed. Solid bike. The new generation GoldWing in DCT version in Sport mode is amazing. V-Twins are about culture too. I get the tactile feel of these bikes and why people love them. But nothing holds a candle to a silky smooth and reliable Gold Wing. They handle like nothing else either.
What did you find wrong with the goldwing? Just asking I was looking at a 2019.
Just hope Polaris doesn't crap on you like they're doing to their former Victory customers.
Excellent review!
Thanks!
I've had Harleys since the 70s, but you can't ignore today's Indians!
I've heard nothing but amazing press for the new Challenger.
I just bought a limited today I fell in love on the road test. Great bike
I’ve watched a few reviews of the Challenger and yours was the most detailed and useful. Thanks!
Hydro clutches should always be lighter than a spring clutch. Harley knows how to screw up everything.
It’s sounds like you’re driving the jetsons spaceship whenever you take off from a stop lol. Needs a set of pipes for sure
I'm a shorter rider (clocking in at around 5'5 on a good day) and I am amazed at how I'm able to stand up an Indian Touring compared to Harleys touring line. The weight distribution is perfect. I personally am on a 2019 Softail low rider and love it. But one day, I may be trying to pick up a Dark horse to add to the stable. Great review!
I want a Challenger badly, but I'm TOO OLD.
I have 50 years on 2 wheels.
I'm glad You called it a FRAMEMOUNT Fairing.
John Spencer
Long Beach, Ca.
When I see the American motorbikes, Indiana or Harley, I cannot skip the video, I cannot adore them from the bottom of my heart, even when I am poor.🇩🇿🇺🇸✌🏼
Where's the best place to buy a used Harley? That's right, the Indian dealership.
Traded my 17 RG in on a dark horse a few weeks ago an have ZERO regrets
@ out bad bob - what is that ??? a 17 rg ?????? never heard of it.
@@djohnson3678 2017 harley davidson road glide
Have a 17’ RGS, stage II cammed, full headers, upgraded audio. Just test rode this bike, can’t believe how much faster, better handling it is than my RGS. Pulling the trigger on a Dark Horse this winter. How do you feel now that you’ve had it? Did you go stage I pipes & PCV or stay stock?
I just got the standard last Thursday at Biketoberfest, couldn't be happier, wife is in love. Sunday test drove the chieftain limited and instantly knew I so made the right decision. Tried the Scout and loved it...great job!
Been a HD guy most my adult life. Test rode and bought a Challenger on the same day. Harley just couldnt match the Indian in performance, specs and technology. $30k is alot to invest on a new model and I had some concerns. After 6 months and several thousand miles, Im still smiling like the day I did the demo. The thing I dig about Indian is they dont go cheap on their bikes. True Brembo brakes, inverted forks, Fox hydraulic adjustable rear suspension, Metzler cruise-tec tires made specifically for the Challenger. Love the adjustable windscreen. Great job Indian! Well done.
Indian Challenger has a 6 gallon tank Brembo brakes inverted forks mono rear shock and comes with Metzler tires. It’s more bang for the buck than Harley Davidson
@Shany Dube ok...so what??
@Shany Dube I don't get it. Is it an insult to be a wholly owned subsidiary of another company? Do you vomit this same sort of comment at Lamborghinis and Bugattis?
Explain yourself.
Shang DubeYep, it is a Polaris, made in the heart land with all American made parts. Can’t say that about the Hong Kong Fuey......I mean Harley Davidson
@@semperfipar1299 I wish that they were made with ALL American parts, but they aren't. But it's enough for me that there's a strong competitor in Iowa forcing HD to do better.
@Shany Dube wrong Polaris only works the financial side where Indian is its own thing with design.
Awesome review! I'm going to have to check these bikes out. Side note for clarification: you can still buythe chromed/bling version WITH all the all the upgrades/options the Darkhorse has. It's called the "Limited". The price is within $500 (msrp) of the Darkhorse.
I just bought the exact twin to the one you tested i pick it up in the morning I got a deal on it it was used as a rental 6500 miles I got it for19000.00 what anamazing bike. Thanks for your review !!!
Bike looks great and with all the features that the dark horse has this will be my next bike to close out my remaining years of riding.
My current ride is a 2015 roadmaster. I had been wanting to test ride a challenger. I did a couple of weekends ago at Barber Motorsports Museum in Birmingham, Alabama. This year makes 50 years riding on the highways. I was stunned at the power this bike has. It handles great for the size and extras on the bike. I left there in touring mode. Brought it back in touring mode. I get comments all the time on my roadmaster, plus, I'm the only Indian in this little whistle stop town I live in. Got my wife a can am LT or whatever it is, she loves "Paddy" as she named it. Also have a honda shadow 750. I rode a 1980 goldwing until 2014. Then got a roadking HD that was really maxed out on chrome and a mild stage one upgrade. Great handling and riding bike, but that old goldwing would outrun it on top end. Then my son totalled it out. He only broke his big toe. I asked him if he knew how lucky he was. My roadmaster is bone stock. It is the best handling big bike I've ever slung my leg across. The, that challenger test ride, I was really impressed. But, not quite enough to get rid of Kowaliga. My roadmaster's name, given by my wife.
ONLY at the seven minute mark!!!! Nice mirror, shows the care of that dealer. Should just return and have it repaired (it is a useful item), or stop and Temp. repair it yourself ( roll the mirror up- snug the jam nut, while holding the jam nut pull down on mirror) this would at least make it temporarily use full. Going to finish video now. Wow you did it at the 11 minute mark. Nice job. I was also paying more attention to the mirror than the ride! back to the video.
That mirror flopping around is funny. Me and some friends tested the Challenger in Sturgis last week. Same thing happened. I own a Scout and the same thing happened on that. If I were to buy a Challenger I would demand new mirrors before signing the paper.
This gives Harley a real run for the money. I think for my money I’m going to be looking at Indians first.
I'd look at and ride both. Really take some time but you can go wrong either way
Agreed!
@@HegshotRides I would go with the 2020 harley fatboy. I own a 97 fatboy and its suspension is smooth, plus it offers a longer wheelbase than the indian. And you cannot deny it has the beat great sound. Plus the rear of the engine isnt encased in all that plastic. Plus the fatboy is 2000.00 cheaper at 19,500
@@EarlGuyton425 2 very different bikes.
impressive motorcycle that is forcing HD to up its game. I'm very happy with my Rocket III Roadster from Triumph- its paid for and has given my zero issues.
I agree with you 💯 I will be purchasing a 2021 Challenger and I’m hoping that they produce a blackout version for the limited series. I think that would look awesome! Even that base model was beautiful but imagine that motorcycle with a blacked out engine, exhaust and bars.
Great review. We own a 2016 Harley Street Glide, and love it, but Indian has some great models too. That dealership is really close to where we live. Enjoying your channel!
Thank you. I love my Harley too 👍
Isn't this an exciting time for motorcycles, muscle cars and super cars.
You are so right!
front view looks like a new ford super duty
Hey man I'm from SC too. I know exactly where you were. I went to Goose Creek a few weeks ago. Good video. I'm actually thinking of going with Indian next year.
Note to all the kids out there, adjust your mirrors before riding lol
Thank you for talking about the features like bags, gas, seat, etc. a lot of reviews just talk about the ride but this is the first that I see that talks a lot of what you notice once you own a bike. I don’t know that I will ever go back to Polaris (4 bikes in the past) but this is the first bike that even has me thinking I want to test ride. Again thanks for talking about the features and differences in models and vs Harley.
Great video! Thank you for the review and it was very informative. Definitely going to consider this bagger over the HD bagger. Im glad to see this reviewer riding safely too because we already know how powerful motorcycles can be so we really don’t need it in these videos. We just need the exhaust sound, features, a simple ride and any other important information.
Thinking about trading my 15 HD SG for a Challenger dark horse
I'm gonna have to go test ride the Challenger. I'm currently on an 07 Ultra Classic, but am liking the Challenger Dark Horse, not so much the price tag though :-) , nor what I'd likely get for my Ultra :-( . I've had water cooled in the past and really liked it, looks like Indian/Polaris did a nice job of integrating it, not real big on the plastic looks behind the power plant though. Really at a crossroads of putting money into engine build on my 07, or going new with a larger stock power plant. Nice review Hegshot Rides !!!Thanks
Would love to see Indian put that 108 Power Plus water cooled motor into the Springfield and Chieftain line-up. Maybe it's on the table for consideration already? I would certainly put a Springfield in my garage if that option became available. Thanks for the video mate.
I too want that engine on a Springfield. I hate farings! Stereos? Hey...keep your personal taste in music to yourself! Nobody wants to hear it!!!
Thanks for posting. I hope a full touring Challenger is developed. In the next few years I will in the market and I am considering a Goldwing and Challenger. I did not find the Goldwing's sitting position uncomfortable and I have no idea what Honda was thinking with the trunk. It looks like it came off a Vespa. Challenger sounds great and looks fantastic!
The Roadmaster Tourpack fits on the Challenger.
I love my Indian Chief dark horse. So looking at the challenger for the near future
The lack of a hydraulic clutch is a real minus for me. The clutch cable just broke on my 09 Victory Kingpin, and left me in a bad situation. I've never had a problem with a hydraulic clutch.
Test rode this bike coming off a Road Glide. Everything from performance was better than my RG, except the clutch. It had much less feel, control, comfort than the hydraulic. Biggest complaint about the bike, otherwise it out accelerated, stopped & corners the HD
I saw the Challenger on another video being ridden through the TN mountains. I was impressed. The horsepower is always mentioned, this being 122, but at what rpm? Torque is always down low. It doesn’t start out at 122hp so how about a performance chart?
If it came with a tourpak/topcase, I would agree. It's short on usable storage.
Mod Zozer could be true and the HD is likewise compared to the BMW, which comes off in seconds, has a carry handle and is air tight. No mounting hardware needed in the bikes it’s designed for either. It will fit RTs from 2005 to present and all the K1600GTL and GTs.
@Mod Zozer Can't really speak to the Challenger, but I own and ride a 2019 Indian Roadmaster that can be changed out from full on tour bike with the tourpack etc to a solo tour machine (including different seat, solo tour luggage rack and solo grab rail) in about 7 minutes. They were PERFECT and are made of outstanding materials. That tour pack is HEAVY DUTY and it is flawless when I want to use it.
@@nokoolaid who cares it's not American.
@@Sforce68 Indian is made in Spirit Lake, Iowa.
Mod Zozer how do figure that. It literally take less then a minute to remove and install an Indian trunk. Just unplug one plug, lift 2 latched and lift it off.
If Harley would adapt an alloy frame and improve the suspension on the roadglide would help tremendously the horsepower really to me isn't the big issue it's the handling and ride if I was going to trade my roadglide I would go with the gtl why just make one step when you can to the top rung
Thanks for the review. Big help. I have a Harley Heritage Soft Tail Classic and just purchased a Moto Guzzi MGX-21. I want to get a Road Glide Special at some point, but the Indian Challenger is a consideration to the Road Glide.
JP
Yeah man I hope to ride the Road Glide next. I say on one yesterday and it felt really good as well
Thanks for sharing this beautiful bike. Love your new channel. Take care and God Bless.
I'm actually buying I think the one your rode. Live in Goose Creek, love that bike!
The shop manager should be on whoever prepped that bike. For a potential customer, that bike should be not only be adjusted perfectly but nothing should be loose. That's just sloppy work. If I take a bike in to be serviced. I make sure it's perfectly clean and you can bet I'll inspect the work when I get it back, and be checking the torque on any bolt or nut that was removed. nice video though.
Seems like a great rig my problem for long-distance riding no dealer Network and you never know if they may fold
Test ride do’s 101: Always set your mirrors before rolling off 😝
Agreed! I’ve bought several new bikes and none of them had mirrors that were tightened up enough to work. Idk why dealers don’t pay attention. Seems simple enough.
6:23 Didn't take long to find the mirror quirk lol. The way you tighten them down, you can accidentally loosen the mirror by trying to adjust it, so you have to make sure you're rotating the mirror and not the whole assembly. Could definitely be designed a little better.
Its so much better than a harley. Of course I would put Harley in last place when it comes to baggers.
All the other companies are progressing but HD seems to want to stay in the 70s. Not saying is bad, the model T was good, but it cant compete with today's cars.
Traded in my 2016 street glide for a challenger dark Horse,it’s better then the Harley in every measurable metric.... there is nothing the Harley does better!!! Sorry but it’s true
Very good job on this video. Keep up the good work.
Seems like every dealership of any brand sucks at tightening the mirrors.
That’s the fucking truth.
Funny you say that, I had to tighten mine when I got my new scout bobber, I hit the freeway to take it home and the wind kept pushing them down.
I am curious about the challenger. I am hoping indian does well with this bike and from what ive herd they will.
The fisheye lens doesn’t let us really get a good feel of the bike. 👍
i was pleasantly surprised that with the extended seat a 6'1 like myself can ride as comfortably as i can on the victory magnum. the exhaust they shipped with these is anemic though.
Well done on the review and ride. Many people ride like hooligans on the test ride.
I test rode it today, and loved the motor, but hated the clutch. Why a cable clutch on a bike with so much power? They had it adjusted so that it engaged 1/4" from the bar.
I did a test ride and I love it, definitely will trade my road glide for it, no comparisons between the Two, Harley need to adress this ASAP or will continue dying,
Obs base model Not 6.1/2 speakers
Inferior speakers
Does the Indian sound like a Harley if you put after market pipes on it? The one on this video is really quiet.
@@Joe_1971 no it never will, it's a 60 degree vtwin, not a 45 degree like HD.
@@Joe_1971 it sounds more modern, still a good powerful sound, just smoother. Ride it though and you'll find its worlds aheah
@@Joe_1971 I have the stage 1 kit from Indian on my dark horse. Completely different sound. Sounds totally different from stock.
6 min.....gorgeous Green Corvette....
Nice bike and review. Indian should make this bike without a fairing. A better price point and not everyone likes a fairing. I bought a Chief Darkhorse for these reasons
The Limited is $500 more than the Dark Horse and includes the crash bar and chrome and better wheels. Better speakers. Their version of a CVO
Dark Horse & Limited have same upgraded audio. Limited is not their equivalent to CVO, just an aesthetic trim package of chrome Vs blackout, crash bars & different paint choices. Indians closest version of CVO is their “Elite”, don’t have it for Challenger yet
A nice bike if you dont really care how much torque or HP your scoot has. If you want a fast cruiser that can corner get a Triumph Rocket 3.
Those mirror's aren't, "prepped" because they don't know who's going to be riding the bike. But, they should snug up the lock nut a little better. As far as, "noise", I've never seen a YT video that didn't make the clunking sound on any bike, when shifting gears. Also, the fairings don't look that big in person.
I've also noticed, many reviewers only talk about the Dark Horse or the base model. There's also a non-dark horse that has all the bells and whistles. It comes in metallic ruby and a gorgeous blue color as well as black, all with a gloss finish.
I love my Indian!
The Challenger is quite possibly my next. I have a car called a challenger so why not a bike called a Challenger.the only issue I have with the Indian Challenger is that chirping sound like a Japanese bike makes. When I take my first test drive of one that will determine whether I get one or not.
And yes I have a road glide and I absolutely love it.I bought mine without even test-driving it and I took to it like a duck to water.
My thought is this. The Challenger will be my next bike.😁👍
Me to
Take it from a longtime Harley owner/rider. Buy metric. Much, much easier on the retirement account (and, not just in prices, but maintenance too!). And, how much is nostalgia, alone, worth anyway? I've literally sold a half dozen houses for less than the sticker price on new Harley Road Glides and Indian Roadmasters.
The base model has a good price, the limited and dark horse are over priced. Even after factoring in adding back the missing features; you cannot add in the special cornering ABS. However once you are done adding back what is missing the cost difference is still very high as in they are charging way too much for cornering ABS. Odd they use the Bosch setup but don't have hill assist brakes. Remember Harley charges less than 1k for their version of the same ABS (lean protection/etc)
Sorry, nothing lightweight about an 840 lb motorcycle.
Base model has 5.25 inch speakers. The upgrade on Indian's website upgrades this model as well as the upper model sounds to have a nine band equalizer support.
Great review,great bike ! Yeah they handle!
Great review and great looking bike.Cheers.
I love e the looks.. Now I am between a Harley road king and an Indian Springfield... Haven't had the chance to test ride either or, but I want a bike that sounds throaty and not clingy...Anyone can help?? Good video despite that mirror..lol
The handling and suspension are way better on the Springfield. You don't feel the weight in the Indian like you do on the HD. Even a buddy of mine that has a RK said he couldn't believe the difference. Put a stage 2 kit on the Springfield and it sounds great.
Great review , that mirror though
They more Reliable than Harley. Never have any Issues
I LOVE Indians, they are my dream bike and I was really excited about this bike until you said it didn't have a heel shifter!? All the other stuff and no heel shifter!?
Yes , they make you but the heel portion of the shifter but it's not a deal breaker for me. Waiting on my new Roadmaster to arrive. Heel shifter will be installed before it leaves the dealership.
Not standard on HDs anymore either (except CVO). Lots of folks with big feet don't like having the left foot in a cage.
It doesn't need one but that is a cheap add on if you want it.
They sell sell heel shifter
What did you think of the seat? Enough padding? or do you think for long trips maybe and aftermarket seat?
Like most Indian bikes the Challenger has a 2 hour seat. My brother and I just did about a 400 mile day trip and his Challenger was just like my Vintage, 2 hours and you need to get off and stretch the legs. Around town for an hour or so and the seat is great. My brother traded his Vintage in on the Challenger limited. He loves it and I've ridden it and its impressive.
I think the HD Electra Glide Standard is the Best Bang for your Buck Bagger....But if Indian can make a Challenger without the Electronic Assy...Then it would be
Some have experienced trouble with Polaris... still today riding fish posted a video he got 400 miles on his before hauling it to the dealership... that aside no it’s not the best... 2 out of three versions cost more then Harley road glide... the base model comes in one color... no option even has a 2 tone... the paint looks design dash etc are NOT as nice as road glide... the only thing they can say is more horsepower.... the 114 has plenty of power if speed is the only thing important then why are you buying a bagger?????
And yet Indian group rides don't need a parts truck following like the tshirt dealer Hardley Ableson does...
I really don’t understand why any body needs more HP. If that’s the case I just buy a crotch-rocket. I only want to ride and feel the breeze
Say a the HD rider lol. Relax , Im just funnin' with ya.
The one advantage of more hp...not all accidents are avoided by braking
Me too! I ride a Bonneville and love it! Different strokes . . .
18 gallons? Sure it’s not 18 liters?
How was the seat height and how heavy did it seem?
I've noticed a lot of reviews of this bike on YT, yet at the end of the day the reviewers always go home to their Harley. Not seeing very many people who have actually bought one reviewing it. Also I don't notice any around town where I'm at, mostly see Harley's all over the place. Just an observation.
Bearded Bobber took one home... fyi
Lol just like Indian no build quality no quality control that's why the mirrors unsafe not even adjusted lol HD Neil
Does a full face helmet fit in the bags?
Sure doesn’t. I can’t think of any cruiser manufacturers hard bags that do. Ive seen some Ducati’s with aftermarket bags that had a zipper expansion section that allowed the bag to expand wide enough to hold a full face. Maybe those hideous giant square boxes on a BMW GS would fit one?
Not prepped very well!!
The mic picks up what sounded like metallic rattling at idle and low RPMs. I have herd this on every video of the Indian motorcycles
Massive clunk shifting into second and downshifting..
Fairing looks very high.
I need to try one of these out because all the videos I have seen do not do it justice.
Nice review. I'll subscribe . . .
Would it be a good first cruiser style bike?
Cable clutch all day I dont like hydraulic it’s unnatural & the challenger only gets the little motor not the thunder stroke also the motor looks plastic to me vs a Harley but challenger feels lights not as top heavy just feels lighter than a road glide
With the base can’t you connect your phone and use that?
Yes, it has bluetooth easy to connect. I also added GPS to mine and it works great ($500). It is a very enjoyable motorcycle to ride.
Indian joining the ranks of the Japanese cruisers. Never will make there own identity.
Now compare the Harley's and the Indians against the Goldwing!
If I were going for a fareing bike...Honda is King! Imho. However, I'm in love with the Indian Springfield style.
@Nytmstr Wow! I heard it was a Lazy Boy on two wheels. Seemed like it on the short trips I had made on one. Nice to know. I've always been in love with that flat six.
$40k sale price in Australia,
Sooooo
mr hegshot is this bike a harley killer ????
Nah. I don't like the phrase either because you won't kill Harley. They may dip into sales but won't kill lol. Both brands are good for each other because competition makes both companies up their game and thats good for all of us 👍
If anyone “kills” Harley, it’ll be Harley.
I like the engine but that fairing is very ugly, it reminds me of those cheap Walmart head lights & I hate how the instrument panel is on the challenger..
I road it and I could not Believe it. Indian has Knock it out of the Park. It Fells Like Riding
A Small 250 you can Jerk it Anywhere ❤️💙
A d-n-c Sissy can youz the Clutch all Day and not cry. It is Smoother and better than Annie factory motorcycle On the market . The radio is Superior . It is a Girl Magnet❤️. I hate Windshield . This one I can Razz up or Down
The Brakes are amazing . My Poor Harley
Can not keep up 😭.
⛽Gas. $1.59 per gallon
Interesting watching you speed up, it looks sluggish. For example if I took of from the lights, turning and reving up to 3000 or 4000 on my 1988 Lowrider, I'd be sideways and going like a rocket, my bike is hotted up, but I think a modern twin would be going a lot faster.
Sorry to Harley but...Harley can't touch what Indian is putting out!!! I have always been a fan of Harley which is why I know what I'm in love with. Harley have avoided and ignored quality because they have taken for granted that hard corp fans wouldn't leave no matter what! "MY HARLEY COULD SHOOT SOMEONE ON 5th AVE AND..."! Being loyal is one thing however allowing someone to take advantage of your loyalty is another. Harley is capable of so much more and Indian Motorcycle are holding Harley's feet to the fire! My brand new Indian Challenger is proof!!!
I just wasn’t impressed with the one I rode. I could not get over the whine of the engine and the clackety clack. The 3 modes adjust throttle progression. I do like the adjustable windscreen and locking bags but not worth trading for an ugly bike.
Greg Harris >>> I agree on the clackery-clacking. I rode the Challenger in January and while it’s got a lot of nice features.....that clacking would drive me crazy - type-A personality buyer. The 2020 H-D street Glide hit the spot for me
Dear Sir. please forgive the following criticism, however there are a few points I feel obliged to highlight. Given you have a large and fairly long standing following, you really should up your game as an example to other riders. Moments after leaving the dealership the left hand rear view mirror gave up the ghost, any responsible rider especially in your position should have done one of two things, stopped the bike and gotten off and fixed it with a spanner or whatever, or turned around and had someone do it for you.
I've made a big deal about this simply because I have no doubt many of your followers hang on your every word etc. Consequently you bear much responsibility to be a much better example.
In answer to the question of price and value, most definitely not. Although it has to be said from what I have seen at least Indian is making a sublime effort to become a much more worthwhile option. Sincerely James (West Yorkshire, UK)
Painful watching you fidget with that morrow just turn it all the way around to tighten it 🙄
I just dont get it ...review and reviews..and all love it...but no one is buying....did you get 1?
Indian scout has to much heat from the engine so I had to sell it
Why didn't you just change the header pipes to remove the catalytic converter?
My Challenger is the shit!
That bike's too peppy for its mirrors.