Also worth mentioning that although a neutral light after heavy parry does 5 less damage than his max punish, having access to his chained bash for his finisher pressure means it has a lot more potential for damage rather than his SB/zone which both only lead into his unblockable from bulwark
@@robertmelendez3132 a little outdated now but basically on heavy parry a BP can go for zone/forward bash for stamina damage and 17 guaranteed, plus unblockable pressure afterwards if needed. Going for just a neutral light on heavy parry nets 15 but has full access to BP's chained pressure afterwards (unblockable, bash, chained lights, undodgeable heavies)
Max punish off parry is light to heavy from any side(u can guard switch) but GB punish is light to heavy (can’t switch guard otherwise heavy is blocked). Btw these are OOS punishes. Damage is 40. There is one more punish for 41 damage but it’s not guaranteed. On parry, bulwark slash or top heavy to light. (Light must not be the same side as your opponents guard because it will be blocked).
Good you make a video about this freeze, i can't figure out his punnishes when you have to throw an opponent somewhere. There's a lot of delay until you can do something :/
This explains the issues I was having with wall splats. I thought I was doing it wrong, although I've never had problems with any other hero. His punishes are a little underwhelming, but hopefully they fix them. Thanks a lot! Great video, as always.
out of curiosity, why would / should they patch out the shield bash following superior light? I feel like superior light at just 20 damage is never worth giving up a light parry to an opponent, and people rarely use the superior lights as it is now.
Can we get an updated PK punishes vid since she got some damage values changed? I'm too lazy to find out for myself, gotta get to rep 70 sooner rather than later :p
@@fashionsuckman4652They were only able to flip each other because the Bulwark counter reacts to the follow up unblockable. If an enemy falls down from flip or shugo back massage you dont get staggered -> cant flip with Bulwark And since (i think) your Bulwark doesnt react to teammate attacks a chain flip is, sadly, impossible
I knew were was something strange about the bash, failed so many times to dodge it. A quick question, if you dodge the light attack, is the following shieldbash guaranteed? I am never able to dodge it.
If you dodge the light, and aren't playing a character like Raider that has a dodge -> guardbreak kind of ability, the Bash will hit you if you don't do something after the dodge. I can often times dodge the light but the shieldbash still hits. sometimes its the opposite, they shieldbash from neutral, and i correctly time the dodge, but the Light comes out so fast that i can't react to it. I dunno. Maybe i'm just bad.
You would think that they would at least get some Beta testers to find these bugs BEFORE releasing the Hero. But, No. They're taking the Bethesda Approach to fixing their game. Have content creators highlight the bugs and issues, and in your case Freeze, Frame-check videos that highlight bugs like JJ's animations. Instead of hiring beta testers, or letting people such as yourself have access to the character before the release of them, even before the 7 day early access, they drop the character with little to not testing and it shows. I really hope they learn from this and start being a bit more proactive about the new hero releases. Thank you for the content, keep up the amazing work!
Why? A free labor force paid in peanuts by Google without any contracts or sponsorship deals needed? Toss them a beta invite here and there. Pretty sweet deal for them.
Are you aware that if you try to parry an attack but it is interupted, you still receive access to parry activated moves so long as your character performs the parry animation
Cesar Cardenas first light only does 15 damage and doesn’t confirm the bash. If it does work you get an extra 15 damage. If the opponent dodges the bash then you fo 5 less damage. The reason you bash after heavy parry is the extra 5 damage and stamina damage which is guaranteed
They need to fix the punish on a failed Vort faint-shieldbash. Some heroes (like Vort.) dont recover fast enough from the dodge so that they can get a succesful gb or light. They also need to ad a punish if the enemy Vort. misses a shieldbash so that mirror matches are not about who gets the sb or light hit first. The two-hit chain is also kinda boring since it feels like the enemy is spamming (which i get told alot lul 🤷♂️)
Thx Freeze! I know now why I cannot dodge the bash after the light, even when I predict it. I think this, let's call it a bug, is an issue for console players, cause of the input lag.
Black Prior also has the old dodge delay from switching guards on him there was a reddit thread showing he has 300ms delay or something before he can dodge if he changes guard or has the patch just brought it back for everyone?
Ok so basically I'm wondering when shugoki gets hyper armor on his heavy and I'm wondering if you can feint his heavy after you've gotten hyper armor and if you can I'm wondering if you could test feinting that heavy into a guardbreak after that person has thrown their attack at you because you could hyper armor through it
It's more than eveyone else's who has is it omnidirectional. That's not balanced. Warden's only does the damage it does because it's from one side. Why should BP get all this damage for his easy superior light.
@@ImperatorTrajun Well first, because no one let's a heavy go these days 'cause it's gonna get parryed so you don't get to use it as often as that. Second, it makes him satisfying to play when you make a good read and get it on a light you get more dmg than with a light parry. If you think it's too much than maybe it's because you make it too easy to use it on you, every character has his perks and flaws why does 40 confirmed dmg on superior need to get pached ?( especialy when you can't spam it like his or conq's shield bash light) And it's not like it's warden's 58 dmg with shoulder bash mixup starting, the combo ends after than unless you go for a bowark unblockable ( i don't know how it's typed ^^), but you can see if that's feinted?
Then why don't we give 40 damagw superior lights to highlander, valkyrie, and warlord? It's not as satisfying? It's not like valk and warlord's are harder to land because the frames are more restricted. You would kill this game if you were a dev you fucking donkey
@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049 ....satisfaction is not a good reason for only one character to have 40 damage off a superior light. It frankly makes no sense. The only reason why anyone would say something like that is if you favor that character.
@@ImperatorTrajun why don t we indeed? And why don't make every character with other similar properties copy pastes of each other. And tell ubisoft to also equal all deflects across the board 'cause it s not fair that nixia's does 40 DMG and orochi and zerk's do 35 when shaolin's deflect only does 25. And if you reply to me that it's because he s a hybrid I'll reply to you that so are highlander and Valk.
Okay first Nice Video Bro. 0:09 - 0:18 this might only be my opinion but THIS Is exactly the Reason why he is OP! What should the Kensei player doing against that moveset?? Ubisoft said that one of his big weaknesses is GuardBreak. When he is in his superiorblock-move he should be vulnerable to GuardBreaks but even in some situations it does not work. Can someone please explain?
@@fashionsuckman4652 oh its not the same Einstein. But you would know that if you did any. You re just salty you can t play the character yet and got your ass kicked all week. I can taste the salt in all your replies :p
Aren't there a couple characters like that? Like I think Conq, Warlord, and Tiandi all have shoves that can only be guaranteed a punish by characters that have dodge attacks. I could be wrong though. Not sure about Glad, Cent, or my boy LB.
No, Black Prior is on a whole ‘nother level. The only characters to counter the bash are conqueror, lawbringer, a highlander with super-human reflexes, shinobi if he can predict it, gladiator although he gets nothing from it, and another black prior
The two "Bugs" were done intentionally to get you to die from the character so that you pay for him, theres no way you playtest a character that long and then dont notice those things.
is it just me who thing BP is ridickulously underpowered even with these " abuses "? all his parrys are bugged, his blocks barely count ( for whatever reason), and the BWC should be like conqs UB heavy, time the fullblock to get the flip, not suicide into fullblock and insta die.
Bugs making the hero OP that are gonna get fixed after the initial release week... No this doesn't seem like they're trying to get people to buy the season pass at all.... :/
Bugs? The shield bash after blocked light you can dodge, the shieldbash after superior light makes sense. Only thing that id say is broken is the block priority, other than that theres alot more broken characters you can complain about. Just not this one tbh
![Black Prior MythBusters [For Honor]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DvLlsCPXyXM/mqdefault.jpg)
Many bugs with this hero. Glad they will be fixing it soon. In Ubisoft time though of course.
Yoooo my dude hi
Max punish = get them out of stamina and light bash light until you win
Great! Then I don‘t even need to change play style when I switch from conqeror to black prior!
this shit still works fine haha, can confirm it
Still works! 😁
2022 still works
Pls don’t play like this it’s a wide variety of techniques u can us
I'd say the move in the thumbnail is his max punish
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oooh that guard swich bug explains alot. I was wondering why even when I spammed dodge after the light I got hit sometimes
Hmmmm....
sometimes? every time lmao
look at this black prior of fear:ua-cam.com/video/XBJDowacOhs/v-deo.html
Also worth mentioning that although a neutral light after heavy parry does 5 less damage than his max punish, having access to his chained bash for his finisher pressure means it has a lot more potential for damage rather than his SB/zone which both only lead into his unblockable from bulwark
very cool
ThornBush this is max punish not mixup punishes
Can you elaborate on this. I am a Zerk.main through and through, and want to gather a little more info on BP mixups
@@robertmelendez3132 a little outdated now but basically on heavy parry a BP can go for zone/forward bash for stamina damage and 17 guaranteed, plus unblockable pressure afterwards if needed. Going for just a neutral light on heavy parry nets 15 but has full access to BP's chained pressure afterwards (unblockable, bash, chained lights, undodgeable heavies)
just want to let you know BP has guardswitch recovery *himself*, which was fixed for everyone else back in marching fire.
I've seen your thread.
that's why I specifically picked different characters to show this. :)
Max punish off parry is light to heavy from any side(u can guard switch) but GB punish is light to heavy (can’t switch guard otherwise heavy is blocked). Btw these are OOS punishes. Damage is 40. There is one more punish for 41 damage but it’s not guaranteed. On parry, bulwark slash or top heavy to light. (Light must not be the same side as your opponents guard because it will be blocked).
Good you make a video about this freeze, i can't figure out his punnishes when you have to throw an opponent somewhere. There's a lot of delay until you can do something :/
ya, it feels really clunky
This explains the issues I was having with wall splats. I thought I was doing it wrong, although I've never had problems with any other hero. His punishes are a little underwhelming, but hopefully they fix them. Thanks a lot! Great video, as always.
BP is triggering the PTSD Cent left in me when he came out
Edsson L. my feelings exactly
Edsson L. Lol I’m a Cent main and BP is now slowly becoming my main
The fact that bp can yeet someone out of the air by chaining bulwark counter from demonball is just the greatest
*Getting a forward doge heavy on an unlocked opponent guarantees a followup heavy on any side
Imagine getting tiandi kicked into bulwark counter😂
Raiders stampede charge can lead to the enemy getting flipped, pretty sure Marko yolo did it in his latest video
out of curiosity, why would / should they patch out the shield bash following superior light? I feel like superior light at just 20 damage is never worth giving up a light parry to an opponent, and people rarely use the superior lights as it is now.
Raiders stampede charge does work with bulwark counter. I’ve seen it done. I think it’s just a little harder to get it down.
Can we get an updated PK punishes vid since she got some damage values changed?
I'm too lazy to find out for myself, gotta get to rep 70 sooner rather than later :p
I just wanted to let you know you can change your hp/stam settings in the quick menu of training matches. You dont have to hit pause every time.
5:00 Can you just make a infite loop of bulwark stance ? Leading the enemy to the ledge ? Please tell me yes
That would be so cool
You can i saw a video of 4 vortigers constantly flipping eachother
@@fashionsuckman4652 that sounds hot
@@dogwater5499 on par with getting your toes sucked
i can't find it though :(
@@fashionsuckman4652They were only able to flip each other because the Bulwark counter reacts to the follow up unblockable. If an enemy falls down from flip or shugo back massage you dont get staggered -> cant flip with Bulwark
And since (i think) your Bulwark doesnt react to teammate attacks a chain flip is, sadly, impossible
I knew were was something strange about the bash, failed so many times to dodge it. A quick question, if you dodge the light attack, is the following shieldbash guaranteed? I am never able to dodge it.
If you dodge the light, and aren't playing a character like Raider that has a dodge -> guardbreak kind of ability, the Bash will hit you if you don't do something after the dodge. I can often times dodge the light but the shieldbash still hits. sometimes its the opposite, they shieldbash from neutral, and i correctly time the dodge, but the Light comes out so fast that i can't react to it. I dunno. Maybe i'm just bad.
You are a blessing to the for honor community
You would think that they would at least get some Beta testers to find these bugs BEFORE releasing the Hero. But, No. They're taking the Bethesda Approach to fixing their game. Have content creators highlight the bugs and issues, and in your case Freeze, Frame-check videos that highlight bugs like JJ's animations. Instead of hiring beta testers, or letting people such as yourself have access to the character before the release of them, even before the 7 day early access, they drop the character with little to not testing and it shows. I really hope they learn from this and start being a bit more proactive about the new hero releases.
Thank you for the content, keep up the amazing work!
Why? A free labor force paid in peanuts by Google without any contracts or sponsorship deals needed? Toss them a beta invite here and there. Pretty sweet deal for them.
“Try some fancy things” Yeah I dont think ive seen anyone throw anything besides the conq bash
Are you aware that if you try to parry an attack but it is interupted, you still receive access to parry activated moves so long as your character performs the parry animation
This had never really occurred to me, thank you for the info I'll check that out.
He no longer gets 2 side heavies from OOS parry, he only gets light+heavy for 50 dmg
A new punish was found : www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/ba5ybt/black_priors_new_oos_parry_punish/
@@Lauzaix thanks, man. Got confused when the double heavy punish didn't work for me.
Thank God you make the video about the guard switch freeze. Everyone doesn't believe when I said it
On heavy parry it's obviously a light, shield bash and guaranteed light for 40 dmg.. bash can be dodged but rn it's extremely rare..
Cesar Cardenas first light only does 15 damage and doesn’t confirm the bash. If it does work you get an extra 15 damage. If the opponent dodges the bash then you fo 5 less damage. The reason you bash after heavy parry is the extra 5 damage and stamina damage which is guaranteed
Why not light bash light on heavy parry?
If you get wallsplat, you *can* do light into bash into light. I'm doing that very often and it works most of the time.
Unlock in order to get your guard on the side without ruining your punish. That's pretty smart.
They need to fix the punish on a failed Vort faint-shieldbash. Some heroes (like Vort.) dont recover fast enough from the dodge so that they can get a succesful gb or light. They also need to ad a punish if the enemy Vort. misses a shieldbash so that mirror matches are not about who gets the sb or light hit first. The two-hit chain is also kinda boring since it feels like the enemy is spamming (which i get told alot lul 🤷♂️)
So could you use 4 black priors and flip them back to back since the flip causes people to be staggered if they hit them?
that dodge bug makes everything clear now. I was wondering why I couldn't do it sometimes even though I press the Dodge button
Hey freeze could u do some frame checks with zerks delays. When they gave him new animations he can delay his attacks longer.
Are you gonna add a comment about the external Superior blocks?
You can do a bash after a light so for heavy Parries I do top light bash top light
not guaranteed
Thx Freeze! I know now why I cannot dodge the bash after the light, even when I predict it. I think this, let's call it a bug, is an issue for console players, cause of the input lag.
Thank you hero is available tomorrow got to get ready
Yeet
Black Prior also has the old dodge delay from switching guards on him there was a reddit thread showing he has 300ms delay or something before he can dodge if he changes guard or has the patch just brought it back for everyone?
Are you sure about the OOS throw punish? If I do side light into heavy, the heavy gets blocked.
Don’t change your guard
can the black prior flip shugoki if he does an oni charge at you?
Yeah
As a bp your os punishment is nasty. Light bash light, neutral bash light then guard break
Ok so basically I'm wondering when shugoki gets hyper armor on his heavy and I'm wondering if you can feint his heavy after you've gotten hyper armor and if you can I'm wondering if you could test feinting that heavy into a guardbreak after that person has thrown their attack at you because you could hyper armor through it
worth a test, will do. cheers
@@fkkfreeze no problem
So you're telling me, BP has 500ms 35 damage light attacks because of a bug... THIS IS WHAT PTS IS FOR UBI!
This is what one week access for season pass owners is for ubi
can u throw some1 more than 1 time?? like when there are 4 black prior lined up and they chain thrrow some1 ?
Um can't you do light bash light for a heavy parry?
you can try, but the bash is dodgeable
@@fkkfreeze true true, it could be an extra 20 damage or it could be a waste of stamina. Either one really
i think the crushing counter confirming the bash is nice since it alows to confirm 40 dmg, otherwise it doesn't feel worth it.
It's more than eveyone else's who has is it omnidirectional. That's not balanced. Warden's only does the damage it does because it's from one side. Why should BP get all this damage for his easy superior light.
@@ImperatorTrajun Well first, because no one let's a heavy go these days 'cause it's gonna get parryed so you don't get to use it as often as that. Second, it makes him satisfying to play when you make a good read and get it on a light you get more dmg than with a light parry.
If you think it's too much than maybe it's because you make it too easy to use it on you, every character has his perks and flaws why does 40 confirmed dmg on superior need to get pached ?( especialy when you can't spam it like his or conq's shield bash light)
And it's not like it's warden's 58 dmg with shoulder bash mixup starting, the combo ends after than unless you go for a bowark unblockable ( i don't know how it's typed ^^), but you can see if that's feinted?
Then why don't we give 40 damagw superior lights to highlander, valkyrie, and warlord? It's not as satisfying? It's not like valk and warlord's are harder to land because the frames are more restricted. You would kill this game if you were a dev you fucking donkey
@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049 ....satisfaction is not a good reason for only one character to have 40 damage off a superior light. It frankly makes no sense. The only reason why anyone would say something like that is if you favor that character.
@@ImperatorTrajun why don t we indeed?
And why don't make every character with other similar properties copy pastes of each other.
And tell ubisoft to also equal all deflects across the board 'cause it s not fair that nixia's does 40 DMG and orochi and zerk's do 35 when shaolin's deflect only does 25.
And if you reply to me that it's because he s a hybrid I'll reply to you that so are highlander and Valk.
Okay first Nice Video Bro.
0:09 - 0:18 this might only be my opinion but THIS Is exactly the Reason why he is OP! What should the Kensei player doing against that moveset??
Ubisoft said that one of his big weaknesses is GuardBreak. When he is in his superiorblock-move he should be vulnerable to GuardBreaks but even in some situations it does not work. Can someone please explain?
Just dodge backwards for what ever reason his heavy and unblockables (not zone) will miss even though there surpose to be "undodge able"
I wonder if you could chain Bullwark flip with 3 BP's?
Bugs are already fixed, at least the out of stam one is. Tested it, has weird dodge timing but possible
Light bash Light bash Light bash
Repeat the process
Can’t wait to abuse that shield bash bug tomorrow that every season pass BP has been doing constantly
I didnt even know the bash off superior light was a bug
Only that its guaranteed
i hope it stays guaranteed, doesn't feel worth it otherwise. :(
@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049 fuck off with that
@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049 40 dmage for doing the equivalent of parrying a heavy? Fuck no.
@@fashionsuckman4652 oh its not the same Einstein. But you would know that if you did any. You re just salty you can t play the character yet and got your ass kicked all week.
I can taste the salt in all your replies :p
What's the best way to alt+f4 as Black Prior?
Can he flip a crashing charge
Thx for this a lot
Another bug with his bash is that there is like 200ms of recovery. There is no risk to throwing out a bash
Aren't there a couple characters like that? Like I think Conq, Warlord, and Tiandi all have shoves that can only be guaranteed a punish by characters that have dodge attacks. I could be wrong though. Not sure about Glad, Cent, or my boy LB.
No, Black Prior is on a whole ‘nother level. The only characters to counter the bash are conqueror, lawbringer, a highlander with super-human reflexes, shinobi if he can predict it, gladiator although he gets nothing from it, and another black prior
Don't know if this is possible but I don't really have the ability to test it in a consistent manner
>Heavy starter confirms a light
What the fuck ubi
Is this still up to date?
Hey Freeze, can you do a bash priority video?
did you count how many times you asked? :D
There will be a bash dodge timing video next. Priority is on the list.
I'm pretty sure it was less than a dozen times. lol
Thank's kindly!
Because I gave you such a hard time, let me know if I can help in any way.
4:47 THAT'S A %#@?*/$ THING
When ubi took the edgebringer to the next level
The guard switch bug has been destroying me
Is this still reliable?
Off gb you can do light bash light for 40 damage
Mesh Neb neutral light is 15dmg, no? And the bash isn't confirmed
Hey freeze I have another question that I think you might like to check out unless you already know
Maybe you should say it
@@fashionsuckman4652 i typed up two other comments for him to indicate the question as well as my inability to test it in the manner that he does
@@anthonylucero3136 sorry i didn't see em
@@fashionsuckman4652 no problem
Damn lights are so slow
Test new Shugoki punishes
Wow centur punish😂😂👍
I want to see 4 vortigers chain flipping someone
Aidan Haskell that wouldn’t work unless you mean the vortigers bashing the opponent into the other vortigers
@@thatguyyouhate3743 oh since he can flip bodies I figured if timed right a line of vortigers would be able to crowdsurf someone with their shields
Anyone else can't dodge as Vortiger, it just doesnt register in some cases.
Enemy raider carrying a teammate? Is that counterable
Wby theres no update
Can bulwark bulwark the bulwark ?
We’re Ubisoft too lazy to make a character without a bash?
Ooo, ooo! Ik the max punish!!! Exist as Black Prior!!!
Sponsor me, for free, because I have my money, but not in my pocket or wallet or bank account or anything. Ty ily
I'm surprised no one have replied to you yet.
God if we only knew...
The two "Bugs" were done intentionally to get you to die from the character so that you pay for him, theres no way you playtest a character that long and then dont notice those things.
Pretty much.
is it just me who thing BP is ridickulously underpowered even with these " abuses "? all his parrys are bugged, his blocks barely count ( for whatever reason), and the BWC should be like conqs UB heavy, time the fullblock to get the flip, not suicide into fullblock and insta die.
Man i watch your videos every week when it comes to FH and lately ive been seeing people feint the GB and idk whats going on. Help.
They purposefully put in the bugs so people would buy the expansion out of frustration, change my mind.
It's because of how hitstun works when out of stamina.
@@e.b9996 It's because they wanted it so, change my mind.
@@Tigo625 the hero is free
@@fashionsuckman4652 It wasn't for a week.
@@Tigo625 true
They should remove all confirmed lights
And kill the hero ? Nah
I'm a rep 22 BP and this is literally just the basics
Bugs making the hero OP that are gonna get fixed after the initial release week... No this doesn't seem like they're trying to get people to buy the season pass at all.... :/
Bugs? The shield bash after blocked light you can dodge, the shieldbash after superior light makes sense. Only thing that id say is broken is the block priority, other than that theres alot more broken characters you can complain about. Just not this one tbh
I still cant believe that u are german, the way u pronounce silberkreuz is wierd.
hm? should've sounded plenty german