I'm done with the Type R Overheating
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2020
- It happened again. Despite all the cooling mods and every effort to lessen the affects of over heating, it still happened. Incredibly frustrating. Having said that I do believe that this is a somewhat isolated incident give the mods that I have because I've also had a few track days now with zero sign of over heating, but on this day at Thunderhill East the was HOT! At one point ambient temps were in the low 90's. No amount of cooling mods was going to help. I've decided that I cannot track the CTR during hot summer months. So what's next?
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The other thing that can help is to have a full time Electrical water pump running , They are much better then the normal one
You're the man for posting your r and d on the fk8. Thanks for all you do.
Here is the trick to beat the overheating issues: Spal fan 1700 cfm or higher. Mix Toyota pink coolant with water wetter. You will not have issues if you do this.
Have you personally done this and tested???
Always love your insight, passion and everything you have done to your CTR and teaching us with all the ups and downs PERSONALLY with your CTR and literally one of the videos that made me fall in love with the CTR, enough to actually get a CW CTR 2019, please do not give up bro!!! I believe you will find the solution and always you are awesome bro!!!
Dai1lest 🙏🏽❤️ Thank you. The CTR isn’t going anywhere. It will continue to get tracked and built 😁
I'm always afraid to take my car to the track because I'm afraid it'll blow up due to overheating, but thanks for the reassurance at the end. I own a WRX.
Phuong Le different car, completely different circumstances. Just go. Enjoy your car! 😁
Just wanted to say thanks for documenting all this man - for where I am located (Australia) I've only encountered this once and I'm glad it hasn't hindered me too much - it makes the path for cooling mods much easier when someone has tried and tested different solutions to see how it all works. I'm hoping the PWR race rad will provide some decent results as well - only time will tell I suppose. Keep it up!
NWA.Lonely_Drivers_Club I have friends who will be trying out the PWR radiator soon so we’ll see! 👊🏽😈🏎💨
I’m running stock tune and have nearly all of the mods besides hood and I still cannot drive more than 15 mins and even then it pulls timings like a bastard ... smdh
Hi great car I wish someday I could get a CTR and build it up like yours love your videos please keep us updated. I was thinking would a water sprayer on the radiator or intercooler like on the STI help with this overheating issue. Thanks
As a fellow CTR owner, I've been following your channel to see how the cooling issue is dealt with. Hopefully the Acuity reverse radiator hoses help somewhat but best wishes for you and I appreciate you helping out the community and letting us know what works and what doesn't. Again, thank you.
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Thank you for your videos I am new to the car scene, the track scene, and the modding scene & I'm using your videos as reference for my own journey 🌴
Arctrooper Rob Welcome aboard! Lots of catching up to do. Let me know if you have any questions😁
I'm following your steps to try and prevent overheating with a Varis Style hood (EPR), Js style grill (EPR or eBay mesh grill) and upgrading the stock radiator to a C&R. I'm also considering the SiriMoto oil cooler kit. Are there any other key upgrades or todos you recommend? I'm on a stock tune and don't plan to tune because generally speaking more power = more heat and I've already got an excess of heat.
Thanks for the great videos, keep it up!!
**EDIT** Just finished this video and you mostly answered my question :D
Yep only thing I’d switch up in what you want to do is instead of the Sirimoto oil cooler go with either HKS or Greddy side mount, that way you aren’t putting another element in front of your radiator
I am from the U.K so no real heat issues lol liking the channel . Car looks great fella
Any way to make a way to get the engine bay heat out through the fender vents?
Not enough. Already have aftermarket hood. Fender mod would be negligible
Is it legal to do a hood mod for the car & open it up some more for air to cool the engine?
Arctrooper Rob I’m sure it is but the difference will negligible since I already have a pretty open hood. The bigger problem his how small the engine bay is relative to how much heat is generate.
Nice informative video 👍🏽 hope someone out there figure this shit out
Also use separate physical digital water temp gauge while at the same time data logging to document what conditions are happening during heat soak.
Great video bro!! Really interesting 😊. I have a question tho . I just got my 2020 type r and i just want it to add a bit more power for fun. And i want it to add a intake and downpipe . Would the stock intercooler be able to handle does mods ? I am very new to adding mods to cars . So I would really like your help/ suggestions
moises mejia yes for sure. The stock Intercooler should be fine till about 350ish whp.
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Thank bro I really appreciate it your help . One more question please. What kind of downpipe / intake would you recommend . For someone that just wants a bit more boost like me
@@moisesmejia8057 PRL all the way and a 27won intercooler
Question: is there a factory Honda oil cooler on the motor? If so what you upgraded to the Greddy oil cooler system, did you eliminate the factory system?
Michael Ganter no factory oil cooler.
Michael Baxi Media ok. Have you tried placing a fan behind the oil cooler? Also, is there aftermarket water pumps and baffles oil pans?
This was very informative-thanks for sharing your journey. As soon as got my CTR, I told myself I would not do any mods except for rotors, pads, and 18 inch Titans wheels. Since then, I just tracked the car on days no hotter then low 70s F, and have not had a problem. I have purchased a cheap NB Miata which will eventually see the track in the summer months. The CTR is a great all-rounder and an amazing engineering achievement by Honda.
Good content bud!!! Like it
Not sure if this has been covered off before. I think you might have mentioned about it, but have you considered going to an E40 or similar fuel?
Already on it brotha. Been on Flex fuel E30-E40 for almost a year now.
I would see if you can get in touch with the Pro teams CTR and see what they are doing/using to keep the temps down
The honda TCR teams are not immune to this failure from honda... they cant keep head gaskets on them on top of running hot.. But the TCR body has much bigger inlets than oem bumpers.. Thats why we went with Veloster Ns instead of Type r. ..TCR /lmp3 team out of NJ
Hi Michael, love your videos and your honesty regarding the performance of the R , I just finish watching a video on the Moshimoto second radiator for the R , I know you do your research but in case check it , it might be a good mod to complement all the other cooling mods you already have .
Did you ever think about going WMI just for cooling IAT
I want to track my R too but I upped my power to stage 2 and haven’t done any cooling mods yet. I also read the HKs oil cooler is more efficient then the greddy and most likely once u change out the stock rad hoses it should help. Hope your future plans to your R’s cooling mods will help. Anyhow thanks for this video.
the HKS requires you to remove brake cooling ducts
upped your power to stage 2? what does that even mean LOL
@@tavo.simracing just stages of power mods. Stage 2 usually means fully bolted on with tune. Stage 3 means upgraded turbo etc
Just a quick question for anyone that may have insight. Is the Intercooler charge pipe upgrade alone worth it? You're looking at $400 or so for the kit. Is it worth that kind of investment? Thanks
Yes…. Boost comes on smoother and earlier
Which brand of the grill did you use,that looks pretty awesome ！
Spoon
You're in Norcal? I'm in Roseville, just north of sacramento and have a youtube channel with my si. we should meet up and do a video if you'd be interested
Interestingly, my ktuner 1.2 to Tunerview connection used to freeze, but ktuner updated something and I haven't had it freeze in the past 6 months+ I I switch to Hondata, I think I'll keep my ktuner 1.2 to use with the head unit.
Ryan McFarland I cant confirm this but I suspect the Bluetooth module in the Hondata is not strong enough...
You should look into auxiliary radiators. My Golf R has 3 radiators from factory. 1 main and 2 small extra radiators on the fog lights. I had to improve the main one and one auxilary radiator to get rid of the overheating. No need to use an oil cooler.
I actually have done the same thing buds. its way to frustrating!! i demoted the Type R to spring track days, daily driver, and a winter beater.
Hi Micheal thanks for sharing your experience with your R I have watched your videos since you got your car. I am also having this issue and just recently experienced it at Laguna Seca this past race weekend with SCCA. My whole day qualifying was all good but came race day Sunday at my forty minute 21 lap race session was disrupted by my car overheating. Had to back off the throttle and all the cars i had passed caught up to my R. I have not done any grill mods or radiator mods to my car only turbo jacket and downpipe coverings. This end of the month is Cal Club race weekend and have to consider going a different route now. I just ordered a sports grill and an aluminum radiator and am going to take out my ac condensor unit so the radiator can have direct airflow. Was going to go with mishimoto oil cooler but am now leaning towards secondary radiator unit and a vented carbon fiber hood. I was thinking of going old school and spacing my hood but have heard that it affects your aerodynamics. VP racing also sales a racing fluid that supposed to lower engine temps up to 100 degrees. I hope you get this issue solved man because the R is an exceptional when its not overheating. I think I will be going back to Amsoil signature engine oil since I read it combats heating temps. 🤷 we shall see.
I feel your pain. I'll keep tweaking here and there but I'm looking into a different platform for hotter track days now.
You going Kswap on the ek9 and track the Ek
Have you tried using the Acuity Radiator hoses? They flip the hot and cold flow in the radiator and improves cooling. Not sure if it helps a whole lot but seems legit.
Yechezkel Yireh mentioned it in the video. Definitely will try it but 4F difference won’t be enough which is what they advertise
Michael Baxi Media Yeah haha I commented too early 😆. 4F is not much. Maybe it will be better with your J's racing grill? We'll have to find out.
This video has been a year ago, since then , have you made any progress mate?
Overheating wise? No I haven't. I took the platform as far as I'm willing to go and have since moved on :)
Maybe by using a carbon vented bonnet and a water sprayer on the cooler... I will soon try the bonnet and will let you know about the temperature decrease.
Best regards.
Bought a CTR recently with the plan to track it, but all these heating issues is really annoying. Won’t have full confidence on the track 😩 hopefully this get a permanent solution soon. Still going to track it though. 🤞🏾
100% you should track your car. Until you actually over heat, don’t worry about it
I live in Milpitas, definitely going to take my civic to WD garage. Thanks man!
That’s the place for performance tires in the Bay Area!
Did you install the gauges by yourself? Can you give me any suggestions?
They were installed at Elite performance in Burlingame
What about spoon front bumper
Are you going to consider the PwR/C&R radiator?
Jeffrey Ting yes but waiting for a couple of Track buddies to get theirs first
Hey brother have you checked with mishimoto on that secondary radiator?
Need supporting mods to make it work because it’s in a bad spot in the engine bay.
@@GridZilla that is true
I was there too, my coolant would be in the red after one hot lap
what mods are yuo running mate?
Are you running the mishimoto secondary radiator also?
No, not in a good spot on the engine bay
can you limit boost in hot weather?
I’m sure you could but plenty of other Type Rs running less boost still over heating so wouldn’t help
Sounds like u need a air water intercooler my friend
Did you have a tune or add more power to your FK8? I'm wondering if the FK8 would still overheat if all the cooling mods were added (radiator, oil cooler, reverse hoses, vented hood, etc.) but everything else was stock? So just running the base tune and not touching the engine at all.
Yes there was power added and of course cooling mods without additional power would make the cooling more effective but that wasn’t the point. The point was to able to add bolt on power and cooling and be able to sustain a full session at the track without overheating.
@@GridZilla Gotcha, do you think if the car had stock tune/power you could have run a full session at thunderhill during the summer without overheating/limp mode?
@@stevenpark7489 driven hard enough, it would be close but would still probably overheat
Overheating is a chronic problem with the FK8. Over the past weekend at Buttonwillow track day the ambient temperature was hovering 103. Only the early morning session was I able to complete the entire session without overheating. All subsequent sessions I can get two clear laps at the most and the temp nearly reach max. I have to back off and wait for the temp to come down and then one more clean lap and the temp goes back up again. The CTR is not a good car to be used on the track in hot summer days. My car is almost bone stock except for a strut tower bar.
It's a story I've heard all too many times. Even with cooling mods all you are doing is buying yourself laps before the inevitable overheat.
I'm a whole year late but... is this the overheating a USDM thing? In Malaysia, our FK8R came in 2 variants... either Japan import, or Malaysian spec (ECU tuned slightly lower than Japan's to suit our gas at RON95 minimum), but I have never heard anyone complained about the car overheating. There were plenty of tracked stock FK8 with no single issue.
As an Ep3 owner and having raced and tracked many Subaru over the years I am gobsmacked 😶 I can literally drive my Ep3 all day flat out on track with no heat issues with standard cooling.
Honda have they really not thought about the heat and a turbo motor let alone heat soak ?
Maybe time for them to stick to doing what they do best N/A engines. I get it’s hotter in US but really surely a car built for there should have undergone vigorous testing there and not only the Nurburgring devastating news for a Honda engineering lover
Yeah that issue alone makes me want to consider the veloster n. The R is great but I'd think that heat soak could kill an engine.
Lol the Veloster N has even less cooling
@@rjhick1 elantra N is better than the veloster
Hi Michael,
It seems like this build is going more towards a track car than a street car.
Have you considered removing the ac condenser? It would eliminate a huge blockage of air to the radiator.
Im betting that would make the difference you are looking for.
Alvin L it probably would but not a step in willing to take
I wonder... Could a Supra be the solution for summer driving. You look like a Supra kind of guy LOL. Always enjoy your videos. Love what you've done with your Type R.
joshua land I wouldn’t track a Supra. The MK4 is worth too much and the New one has a horrible wind buffeting with the windows down. Probably won’t do a New anything anyways. 😁
@@GridZilla wind buffeting is fixed with diffusers I thought
@@LearnBreeze yes they have after market pieces that fix this issue
only you need to check the BTCC civic cooling sistem.
I got a 2020 type r , will I have overheating issue if I’m just driving it daily ?
Not at all. Not even a little bit
Michael Baxi Media ok awesome , im complete stock but Im want to do setup like yours but now I’m worried I will have same issues .
GLOgangNoSquad you won’t ever run into over heating street or canyon driving
Michael Baxi Media appreciate it brother and goodluck with the ctr, really like your setup and mod choices
As a 2020 type R owner, I also wonder if you would have the same issues with the 2020. I'm guessing you probably would, based on your huge list of mods and cooling support but it's an interesting question as they've made some small changes on this car with an eye towards improved cooling.
Hey Michael I’m also an owner of a 2019 Type R and have enjoyed your videos man!!! Your positive vibes and excitement regarding any new mod etc. are contagious brother and the reason why I come back to your channel. I’m sure you’ve researched all things heat related but I’m curious if you’ve considered using Jet Hot coating on any metallic surface that would benefit from it including the turbo itself? I’m new to modifications as well and have found your videos informative and entertaining so I’d like to thank you personally for throwing yourself onto the proverbial sword in order to educate the masses. Having said that...I’m curious if you’ve tried picking the brains over at 27Won Performance? They seem to be right up your alley attitude wise. Very positive company and very customer focused. Just my two cents Bro. Hope some of this info. gives you some fresh perspective and wish you the best of luck!!!
Thank you for your support Martin. I'm sure coating everything would help some. Not sure it's going to make a big enough difference and that sounds like a very expensive proposition for a potentially immeasurable return. Thing is there are people out there willing to go that far and willing to do other things like deleting the AC condenser. I'm not. I still want my daily drive-able comfort. Plus I'm trying to mod along the lines of things that are more or less accessible to the average person.
Michael Baxi Media.....Michael by all means keep your ride comfortable for you and your family. I totally get what you’re saying. My boys have finished high school and college this year but I myself don’t want to lose my backseat to a rollcage no matter how cool it looks. I’ll never track my car but just love the idea of having enough torque and hp to move my family down the road easily.😁 Just keep doing what you’re doing Bro. Take a break for a while and get your head right. I’m sure a solution will present itself eventually. On a side note...are you considering the new Hondata fuel system in the future? Aside from it more than likely adding to your heating issues...it’d just be plain old fun watching your reaction to it!😂
Did you try a J's racing front grill? A new upgraded hood to allow A LOT more airflow?
Waaaaaaaaaaay past those basic mods. That’s a Js grill and vented hood right in the thumbnail
@@GridZilla Did you take off the Honda badge and add more vents?
@@al-eteos-imhotepheru-bey3271 i ram it without the badge. Same issue. Every option was exasperated.
@@GridZilla I'd say lastly reach out to Fk8-Honda-tuning Fk8.tuning.Development channel.
@@al-eteos-imhotepheru-bey3271 thanks but I’ve moved in from the platform
Not sure if I've seen you put it on but Mishimoto has a secondary radiator placement...lol
Need supporting mods to make it work because it’s in a bad spot in the engine bay.
I would consider electric water pump as mentioned. New fan switch if you don't already have one. Maybe running just water instead of coolant. Unless your worried about freezing (not sure where you live). Also maybe consider a trans cooler and eliminate the oem one. Just a couple thoughts.
have you ever thought of water sprayer on the radiator? if you have a 2 to 3 gallons of water... in theory you should be able to spray the radiator to help with the cooling for the entire session... .... if you don't want it on or off, program an audino or raspberry pi to turn it on after a certain temp or something.
When you have radiator and intercooler sandwiched at the front, what do you expect buddy? The only solution is V mount plus a oil cooler that is NOT stacked with the other two.
That's right, only solution is a pure race car setup, even then in those temps pushing a machine to the limit itll still overheat
KJ Wong Tell me about it...I have had headaches with my racing sti’s overheat issue for years. I have just put in a second oil cooler and could enjoy a couple more hot laps. The biggest issue I see with fk8 is the intake pipe being directly on top of the turbo and if an aftermarket downpipe is installed factory turbo heat shield must be removed. Not sure if anyone has come up with a solution to separate the two.
@@user-fz1cz9qg4h I been talking about the intake pipe being over the turbo since day 1. Not sure what honda was thinking with that design.
KJ Wong well they put the turbo at the front to be close to intercooler to reduce turbo lag but you can’t put air intake at the back so the two have to stay together...it is the dumbest design i have seen.
Did you try to have secondary radiator this Sir!
Intercooler?
Great content as always. Convering the weaknesses of the car and making attempts to address them. Awesome.
get an s2k to track. i was out at thill east in triple digit heat and seeing type r's and gt350s having issues. not sure if i got lucky but i have stock cooling including OEM radiator and never had an issue. love your type r btw
I like where your head is at
Me too
Would a aftermarket triple bypass radiator help your problem?
Tony Aquiningoc no one makes one for the fk8 platform. Not enough space and for sure the AC would have to be deleted
@@GridZilla oh ok....i wasn't sure if there was one out yet for the FK8 would u be willing to do AC delete? Maybe aftermarket electrical water pump?
Tony Aquiningoc space. Lol no space!
@@GridZilla oh yea! I keep forgetting that there no space in that motor bay if they would have kept the k motor the original way like had it in the other car like EP3 DC5 the cooling issue would be a problem! Well best of luck to you and I'm sure there will be some sort of solution that a aftermarket company will come up with! Keep up the good work and info in your videos! Onces again best of luck! ✌🤘
Tony Aquiningoc thank you!
ok I'm in washington and most of track season temps are 85+... how are you seeing track days in california in the 70's?
Weather is sometimes erratic in the Bay Area. Summer can be a 70F day or a 96F day
I think the only way to battle the heat soak is to use water injection and relocating the inlet away from being right above the turb . There is an opening down the left side if the engine bay if you look straight down on the side of the inlet connection there’s a reservoir where the inlet could be routed down below. The maf harness just needs to be extended as well as the breather connections.
He's not talking about intake temperature heatsoak, he's talking about the coolant and oil temperature getting too hot.
Ryan McFarland Well hot inlet heats up the air charge before it even goes in the combustion chamber which raises the engine temp and in turn raises the coolant temps making the dash’s temp gauge rise above half and keeps climbing going full on at the track.
Try to put a restriction heat shield and spray it around ur hood
That sucks man, I’d be frustrated as well. Is the “solution” for summer track days going to be another honda? Maybe an s2000? 🙃🤭
😂
You have it completely backwards the Air intake takes the air in. The turbo compresses the air to make it denser and that air goes thought the hot side intercooler piping to the intercooler from the intercooler to the cold side intercooler piping to the motor
Already addressed in a few different comments. Was just a lapse in my thought process when making the video. Thanks for your input.
If you’re still on the stock turbo you may be getting too much back pressure which could be causing heat soak also. Talk to 4Piston, Rampage, PRL. I’m about to install the 2020 Type R intercooler, Actuity reverse radiator hoses, Spoon thermostat, Mocool cooling additive and the rest distilled water. I also just replaced the blocked front fog light vents. My R heat soaked on the way to Vegas at 115 degree heat with a full cargo load of passengers and luggage only at wot especially when driving up a hill or rising grade. Still plan to install the HKS oil cooler. Also a secondary smaller radiator mounted up front on the grill can help. But imho water injection is the key to driving full on mitigating heat soak.
It’s actually heatsoaked twice going to Vegas. My a/c would stop working so I turned the a/c off and switch to the heater. It’s a trick to cool the motor faster but needless to say my wife complained about how hot it was getting in the cabin. When I eased in the throttle and coasted a bit the temps would lower back down turned on the a/c and it would work again.
So it overheats just driving ?
No not during any type of driving other than hard driven warm track days
Surely aftermarket will make available a bigger grill?
Tiger that is a bigger grill...
Michael Baxi Media This may sound crazy but custom a Lexus grill into your front end. No other bigger grill in the industry.
Tiger you’re right. That does sound crazy lol
i know this is extreme, but i put a second rad in the back of one of my cars with 2 big thermos on it.
Anything is possible but not your talking about custom work and fabrication. Part of what I’m trying to do is find a solution that someone can buy and not have to pay thousands to have custom made
@@GridZilla fair call, ive just cancelled my 2020 order. i cant be stuffed going through all this. i30n will have to do
I am at a crossroads with my Type R, I have need to do cooling mods and I need more power to achieve better laptimes.... Unfortunately though I believe adding more power will negate the cooling mods and I would end up overall disappointed. … Is it possible to add power to the Type R and prevent heat soak on a hot day at the same time? I had such a bad-time during the hot summer track days that I really just want to sell for something else... It is frustrating when you are taking turns very fast but still get a slower lap time because the power is being cut by so much. I thought I loved my Type R... my whole channel is based around it... and I am sad that I am thinking about parting ways with it.
If there was a way I would’ve found it. Not possible
@@GridZilla You know, I was just thinking about this video and saw the comment I made 7 months ago. After my recent track day experiences and you are 1000% right and I went against your advice and my better judgement and went FBO (drop-in Turbo) with 426whp because I make choices that make no sense.. The result was exactly what I thought... it overheats within 4 hot laps on a 85-90 degree day. I ended up being pretty disappointed on the track day. I even got the message that told me to stop driving.
Although I only have an Upgraded PWR Race Radiator which did not do anything to prevent overheating (only helps it cool down quicker), I did not do an oil cooler or hood vent, I don't think I'm even going to bother. That may get me another 2 laps... if that... I thought about turbo blanket but I think that would be pointless as well the turbo would just be heating up my coolant/oil regardless.
I'm just going to do nothing else to the Type R. I'm going to stop spending money on it and I'm going to focus on other things. The Type R has became a money pit for me. I am debating even selling it and joining the BMW M crew, while I based all my videos and channel around the Type R I can always change. Now I know why most track dudes sell their CTRs... I guess I just had to experience it for myself. I will prioritize doing track days in the early spring and fall/late fall. Type R just does not have the endurance... I'm leaning towards Lotus Exige for my next streetable track vehicle but I don't know if I could live with it everyday. I just love the idea of a Toyota engine in the Lotus. I will never figure out cooling on my Type R. My car is now a 2 hot lap car before it will start to pull power and start to overheat... and that is pretty sad for me. I can still do a time trial here and there and go out and come back in... but then that does not become very enjoyable... I like setting quick laptimes but I also like to stay out and enjoy myself and the car won't let me do that anymore.
@@typerfk8 I reached the same level of frustration as you already know. Lol. The Lotus would be amazing but won’t be near as comfortable Daily driving. Lots of people, including myself have moved onto the A90 Supra. Still requires some cooling mods but incredible potential.
@@GridZilla I love seeing what that B58 can do, incredible engines.
Hahaha I spoke too soon. You mentioned it at 9:25
I was hot for this car until I started hearing about this issue, along with the transmission problems, the 1.5 oil dilution issues, and then the fact that it is made in England not Japan, then the price gouging, all that kind of soured me on buying this car. So instead I went with a Golf R, stock the handling is not as good as the Type R, but with a few simple suspension modifications and the AWD, it can be even better.
Anyway I still like the Type R and my point isn't to argue which car is better or any nonsense like that, but to possibly mention a solution to this problem. I live in TX and track on days far above what you described here, and the Golf has never over heated. I am also making far beyond stock power with a huge upgraded IC that sits in front of the entire radiator. I have been tracking for many years and push the car very hard, I have had over heat issues with other cars in the really hot summer months, but not this one, and that is with no cooling modifications at all. The difference is the Golf has not one, or two, but three coolant radiators. Besides the large main radiator those two side front ducts are also functional and contain auxiliary coolant radiators, and that combination apparently does the trick.
I have seen the Type R with the bumper cover off, there is plenty of room to add similar auxiliary coolers on this car. Is no one offering this option? You could get rid of those cheesy looking fake ducks and replace it with something that looks cool and is actually functional. Here is a some images showing how they do it: on the Golf, it would require some fabrication but seems very doable. flic.kr/p/2jaXMd4
As you can see it is pretty simple, those auxiliary radiators are just T'ed into the main radiator lines in parallel. Seems like it would solve your cooling issue and get rid of those stupid looking fake ducks and replace them with actual ducts. Seems like a win win to me and might be cheaper than buying another car.
Eric Michel there was one company out there putting together a dual oil cooler kit just like the setup you are talking about but don’t ever think it made it to market. I have the Greddy oil cooler already. What I’d like to do is fabricate a secondary radiator on the other side with appropriate ducting. I’m not done with this car but I am starting an additional project :)
I agree, I was also looking at a CTR but as you mentioned there are too many issues (engine is also built in Ohio) with it and I also went with a Golf R. While I haven’t done any track days I have a buddy who does track his and he regularly passes CTRs that are slowed by overheating issues. Too bad that Honda dropped the ball in so many ways for such a highly anticipated car. Also I couldn’t get past the styling of the CTR, it’s brutal and really suited for the “boy racer” crowd.
Is that a nissan sylphy on the side?
Bon Zamoras no
Add a Lil liquidnitro for cooling
just traded my 2018 for a 2020 msrp ctr
what oil do you run?
Amsoil Dominator or Motul 300v
@@GridZilla do you go for 5w30 in hot weather?
@@kenskeeyv35 nope. I stick to 0W20 or 5w20
S2K man S2K
A k20 ek with a carbon hood won't overheat like that
Set up the window washer to spray water on the radiator when it gets hot
Not a bad idea but would require some fabrication
@@GridZilla they sell Universal kits at AutoZone and the pumps are cheap
I was there on that track day and heard you all left.
XGen_23 yep. Every single Type R except the slowest one our group over heated. All with various levels cooling mods, all with various levels of power.
Michael Baxi Media were there 2020s there? Any word of the 2020s is holding up better on track from a cooling standpoint?
I want to know about 2020 also , I just got one a week ago
Imagine ur wheels covered with blankets, that shit will be hot ass fuck with no vents
Do you know what TCR is doing differently? They track their CTR way heavier then you guys. Maybe they have other solutions they haven't revealed? From an article I read, "CSF supplied a heavy duty dual-pass oil cooler, which was placed beneath the passenger headlight along with HPD’s mesh insert that increases airflow."
The TCR has a V mount intercooler and radiator with the crash beam deleted which cannot be duplicated on a street car because it wouldn’t be street legal
@@GridZilla ahhh, nevermind, deleting the crash beam is a no go. I wonder if the CSF side mount oil cooler will help.
@@telongvang8325 already a dual side mount oil cooler kit out there. Works well but spent eliminates the problem
@@GridZilla Have you heard about the hood spacers? Lifts the back of the hood up a bit, which allows the hot air to escape through the front windshield.
@@telongvang8325 yes
Try the PWR radiators that the type R group has posted. I’m following that thread right now to see when people will receive theirs
Have a few friends getting these radiators. I’ll wait to see their impressions.
My CTR makes 438hp soon will be closer to 480-490, I know the frustration all too well. Such a fantastic car, and yet something so simple holding us back from focusing our attention on furthering the platform
I heard the 2020 front bumper has been redesigned for better air flow
mikeyl114 none of the 2020 changes will eliminate the problem. I was there on track the same day with other CTRs that have all the 2020 “changes” on them. Still over heating
Michael Baxi Media damn I guess the 13% improvement is only on the stock configuration on the 2020 then.
Lol a 5% increase in the front grill is not going to resolve the issue when you're pushing your car to the max lap after lap on a track. Fantasy thinking.
KJ Wong why was there a redesign done then? AKA fantasy thinker😂
@@kennethsbourque2168 I dont know, go ask honda. Take your 2020 to the track in those temps and test it out and see if theres any significant improvement
My opinion, the problem with K20C1 is the exhaust manifold design which is integrated in the head “headifold” that’s means the engine cooling system need to carry over an additional load, and it’s not an easy one, the engine cooling system need to cool down transmission oil, engine oil, crankcase, engine head and turbo and now the exhaust gases, that’s a lot for a standard cooling system. Reason why several cars with “headifolds” uses additional coolant radiators and several electric waters pumps to counter this, which is mainly uses for emission purposes. If we add to this load, a performance oriented engine (300+ hp) a track capable road car and power increases, is just too much for conventional cooling systems designs. For example BMW uses the “headifold” only in low performance engines and in those cases they add several additional radiators and electric pumps to counter the heat load coming from the exhaust gases in the engine head, big omission for this amazing car.
I think you are right on the money
Just don’t go while it’s stinky hot cause the only thing that will save you is water cooled intercooler
Try the front hood back lift to let out the heat from the back of the front hood ,
I live in Illinois so it cools it off
Why not just get in touch with real racers and see what they did, like JAS motorsports
This is one of the flaws with the new ctr
So according to you the intercooler is cooling the air, that goes into the turbo (8:45)... Aight... What else do you know about cars?
Boy we got some nit pickers. Cools the compressed air after the turbo before the engine. In the video just had a lapse. Thanks for your input.
Well, that's a different story, isn't it? Anyway, coming back to your issue with the cooling of the car: you want it to stand up to racecar treatment and not overheat? Then remove the obvious part no racecar on earth carries: the AC! The condenser is blocking a lot of airflow and the compressor is eating power and therefore generates heat. If you want the car to have all those convinience stuff, don't complain it's not a racecar.
Should've the track ready type r , look at the the race ready type r its not pushing 400hp its for reason
thanks for posting this, saved me a headache. definitely don’t need this
But the type r isn’t a race car? Right?
Purple Pumpkinz correct. Plenty of cars aren’t “race cars” that don’t struggle with heat like this platform though 😕
Don’t put ptp blanket.. the purpose is to blow air on that turbo to cool off. That turbo must be really really hot when ur running track... and don’t put blacket on ur turbo pipe.. u want air blowing air on too cool it off
It does not cool the air going into the turbo it cools the air coming out of it lol
Colin Gouveia yes that is correct. Just a slip up on my train of thought but good catch 😄
@@GridZilla it happens lol im im just here to nitpick being a youtube keyboard warrior 😁
Do you monitor your oil temp?
Yes
@@GridZilla where do you run the sensor to?
@@kenskeeyv35 oil cooler sandwich plate
@@GridZilla Where did you get the sandwich plate from please ? Try to set mine up
@@jonathanjohnson1583 I just had the Greddy one. Few of my friends had the HKS.