A couple of shots with the Asgard plasma beam weapon and it'd be over, just like with the replicators. Depending on the power of the ion cannons, they would probably be a near perfect anti-borg weapon as they'd cause absolute chaos to the technological components of both the cube and drones.
I wonder what number the Borg will give to the Asgard. Species 9135... the Asgard. Just kidding... I doubt that the Borg can win. Edit: Hahaha (sorry). You're fellow O'Neill ships would have probably prevailed, but they had their eye on you. 😆 Yes, the Asgard are superior, but if the player dies, it's game over 😔.
I know we didn't get to see the beam weapons on those newer Asgard ships on screen, but I think it's silly to think they wouldn't have them... And they would definitely be a huge improvement. I wish someone would add them to an updated mod!
I feel in reality the Asgard would be as effective against the Borg. They're a formidable force not to be recokned with. I mean in that one alternate reality SG-1 episode where Jack died and Sam and Jack had been married. The Goa'uld specifically Apophis was taking over Earth. Once our SG-1 team were able to contact the Asgard the Goa'uld quickly fled through the Stargate. In fact the Asgard beamed up Apophis and his two guards.
That Stargate episode was epic. So funny seeing the Goa’uld running for their lives. Yes, the Asgard had a serious level of tech. Makes you wonder what earth did with all of that Asgard knowledge 🖖
5 on 3 and you declare the victor to be the 5? If the tactical cube is equivalent to the O'Neil, add 4 normal cubes if you're including 4 Asgard warships.
Really the five on three could still work if they encountered the Borg three separate times because each time the borg would learn from the experience grow and adapt, and by the third encounter could very well just send a larger ship, overwhelm the Asgard and assimilate all their technology
Given the level of technology between the two - Borg 1000+ years vs Asgards 100,000 + ( and access to Ancient database) while the Borg can adapt the Asgard would still one shot them .
Not necessarily. A fight between these two really truly does just come down to whether or not the Borg have ever encountered weapons like the Asgard before because if they have, they have the counter in the database and they would automatically counter the Asgard weapons at which point the Asgard are one trick pony. This is two standard cubes, one standard tactical cube against the most advanced vessel the Asgard ever produced …. the literal bleeding edge culmination of all of their technology and they’re still barely out of win because the cubes are largely just sitting there and adapting to them rather than trying to destroy them out right
@@Matt-yg8ub the Asgard Beam weapon, can penetrate the Ori shields in 3-4 hits , and those shields are powered by Ascended knowledge, far beyond what the Borg are capable of of producing even in a tactical vessel ~ 50 million years of knowledge( Ori ) vs the Borgs at lest 800+ to 2000 years of there own technology and assimilation other species technology with the Vulcans being 1500+ there’s no way the Borg would be able adapt to the beam weapons fast enough before there’d be destroyed ~ the same if Janeway haven’t interfered with species 8472 they’d effectively wipe out the Borg .
@@lasarith2 that’s not how any of this works. Age is no indicator of intelligence wisdom or knowledge. It’s just an indicator that you’ve been around for a while. If the Borg are 100 years old, and they stumble upon an ancient repository of the knowledge of the ancients and assimilate it….. your opinion goes out the window because they just gained the knowledge of another couple million years beyond their actual age. Likewise, if the replicators are invented as a child’s toy and eventually come upon an Asgard ship and eat it and steal all of its technology, they gain the knowledge of the Asgard . Worse, they get really stupid and put the replicators in a time dilation field so that they can experience a couple million years of evolution in the blink of an eye….. the replicators are far beyond their calendar years and your opinion of age and intelligence goes out the window. To use your own argument against itself, the Asgard weapon defeated the Ori. The Ori are older, yet the younger race defeated them. Age is no indicator of technological supremacy. That’s literally the story of Stargate… the Ori defeated the ancients, the Asgard defeated the Ori the replicators defeated the Asgard and earth, The youngest of all of them defeated the replicators….. because the Tau’ri assimilated the knowledge of those who came before them and all of the cultures and races that they encountered, put it all together and put it to use, just like the Borg do.
@@Matt-yg8ub like the Borg you do not learn , the Borg cannot adapt to one shot beam weapons , The Asgard was in a alliance of the 4 great races , which lasted at lest 90,000 years - and had access to the ancients knowledge of 50 million years , they advanced there Hyperdrive ,shields and weapons past what the Anicents and Ori had knowledge of - the ancients don’t evolve or do anything except sit and watch , and the Ori while advanced suck the life from there followers to gain immortality and care for little else , the Asgard have used the last 10,000 years to advance beyond the level of technology of what they had for those three key technologies, The Borg only learn by assimilation , they can’t learn any other way , - since no other species had contact with the Asgard , the Borg are (?) the level of energy from a beam weapon is far beyond what a Borg ship can take ~ see species 8472 own energy weapon - the Borg couldn’t adapt to it because they could not assimilate it , or the transphasic torpedo ( though in some form the eventually are supposed to learn to defend against it (probably for STO )) Your argument of age doesn’t play a part is fundamental wrong , the Asgard used the knowledge of 50 million years + there own 10,000 to advance , they are a race 100,000 years old at lest 97,000 years older then the Borg or any other technological race the Borg assimilated thus far, the Borg would need to assimilate a race after they’ve seen the Asgard and looked at there ships and analysed it like Voyager did with species 8472 , otherwise like 8472 they’d be completely wiped out - the Borg are a type less then a type 2 civilisation where the Asgard are a type 3 + - plus the Turi where given the accumulated knowledge of the Asgard with a Thor ai advisor to learn the technology - we didn’t just understand it overnight , just because you can use something doesn’t mean you understand it , unless you study it ,- which the Borg don’t actually do , they assimilate those that do , if they don’t they can’t adapt to it and - bye bye cube , ~ collective.
Wow Cool Battle May I request one Big Battle? I saw Normal Atlantida strong against few Borg Klingon ships How about if its in game.. 1 Asuran/replicator Atlantida (which suppose to be much stronger) against lets say 6 tactical Cube 4 normal Borg Cube and if you wish 1v 1 against that 29th Borg Cube Against Asuran Atlantis
😲The Asgard ship always looks nice wow.. 😨Gosh Admiral.. I thought the Asgard ship would have done it. but still held on. gosh the Borg. eeh. and Ouch or as T'Ana, '' awwh Sh**'' lol eeh ''oopsie doodle'' as Rutherford would say.. sorry I had to laugh.. eeh your ship kaboomed under cloak., that needs to be fix, shields even with cloaks.. lol The Tactical Borg Cube is unreal, like we say in Voyager.. gosh.. Well done Admiral. Yes I would say the Asgard were superior.. gosh. 45 min oh my.. love the end part.. Asgard ship at Hyperdrive and arrives in 9 sec.. gosh.. if StarFleet can equip the ships with Hyperdrives or Quantum drives.. lol. !😊🖖
Yes, apologies for all the bleeping, it was quite frustrating 😂. The tactical cube is a work of art. I think it looks so much better than a standard cube. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming 😂No don't apologies. gosh it's funnier with the ''bleeps', lol.. Yes I do love that Tactical Cube, and think this will by the model I will use to make.. and noodle lights and so many ideas lol. !!!!🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I think you have the skills. they are Cubes lol. just need the plans.. hmm Will find it and try too with plastic parts and other things.. Thanks !🖖*I'll be careful not to get assimilated lol!!
You figure with a such a powerful forward weapon's system the forward shields would be more powerful. Got to admit, there are two battles I would like to see, but I am not sure of you could do them. Dozas fleet from Macross/Robotech vs Atlantis. I don't think Atlantis could handle them (and it doesn't seem like Bridge commander could handle a battle that full size) but it would be interesting to see how long they could hold on.
I really would like to see the Federation Galactica face off against the Ori mothership, a Wraith ZPM enhanced hiveship or a 29th Century Borg Tactical Cube. Maybe the City of Atlantis or even a Zindi Probe?
Exactly, the Borg don’t adapt well in this game therefore, it’s a numbers game and the Asgard have the numerical advantage in an initial encounter where the Borg traditionally lose intentionally to gauge the strength of the enemy
@@Matt-yg8ub there is a mod for that in KM - it is quite a powerful mod as I've tested first fights and the first fights are a lot easier than last fights.
I have no knowledge about Stargate's ships and their weaponry but I think an "ion-canon" wouldn't inflict much damage on a Borg cube. At first of course but when the Borg learn to adapt to it, there's a big chance, one cube could take down a fleet of these ships. For example. The Enterprise D did major damage with a few phaser shots at their first encounter with the Borg. But after that the new weaponry (Shelby created) had still effect on Borg ships but way less than at their first encounter. Not to mention that standard photon torpedoes from the 2360s never had any effect on a Borg vessel.
Stargate weapons are ridiculously overpowered. The Ion cannon was one-shotting Goa"uld motherships/Ha'tak's (they were the main antagonists for most of the series). It was only when Anubis (a half-ascended Goa'uld......don't ask) came back with super shields that the weapon failed. And the Asgard plasma beam makes the ion cannon look like a squirt gun by comparison. SG-1 and Atlantic are well worth a watch. It's funny and the ship battles are awesome 👌
@@lunatari2867 It would not be that far-fetched for the Borg to eventually adapt and negate most of the damage - after all if a Go'auld shield could be modified to make all the Ion Weapons from an Asgard Beliskner ineffective, despite Go'auld shields paling in comparision with any Asgard shield, then the Borg can.
@@lunatari2867 what I mean is, if traditional Go'auld shields could not withstand a single shot from an Asgard Beliskner or a Tollan Ion Cannon, but the Anubis-grade ones could shrug those shots with little to no damage to the shields, yet 3 traditional Go'auld vessels with their Plasma cannons can still defeat an Anubis Ha'tak, that means that Anubis shields are more advanced and a bit stronger, not 100x times stronger (after all even if Anubis shield were to be 6 times stronger than a regular one, that would only mean it would take 6 Ion Cannon shots to take the shield down instead of 1, which is not what happened in the series. In the series Anubis developed an improvement to the Go'auld shields with some bits of ascended knowledge to just make the Ion Cannons ineffective). Also while it is true that SG shields are strong, there are certain situations that imply SG shields (or at least, a few of them) are more vulnerable to certain things than a ST shield - after all a Death Glider can still deal some light damage to a regular Ha'tak shields, yet their staff cannons are not nowhere-close enough to a >1000 Megaton naquadah-enhanced nuke, which on season 1 dealt no damage to the Go'auld shields.
The Borg don’t conform to a standard one on one versus debate structure because they almost always sacrifice the first ship in order to learn about the enemy
The O'Neills did not have Asgard Beams because of (SPOILERS AHEAD): By the time the Asgard developed the Asgard beams the Asgard were dying and only managed to equip them on the Odyssey and the knowledge into the Asgard Core. I am sure if they had lived longer the Asgard would have totally equipped those beams and improved upon them further.
@alexslgato1735 How did you come to this conclusion when the Asgard equipped the dedelaus with asgard hyper drives and beam weapons. They didn't leave their full legacy via Prometheius asgard core installation and asgard full history for at least ( 2 or 3 seasons later) on TV time a few years later. The original O'Neal was never finished. Not knowing it's full potential.
@@wrex419 Asgard Beams were devised as a weapon against Ori shielding, and when they were equipped the entire Asgard race was dying and moving to Orilla to leave the entire knowledge on an Asgard Core onboard the Odyssey. Else a measly fleet of 6 Asgard O'Neill class vessels (for "O'Neill" I meant both the prototype with the extra guns and the class that succeeded the prototype, like the Valhalla) would have destroyed the at-the-time 6 Ori motherships in no time.
Lore wise asgard definitely win the early battled but eventually, like with the replicators, they'd run into the problem of not being able to adapt once the enemy uses their technology against them and eventually have to call the stupid humans to help then.
Lore wise, we know that the Asgard got themselves into trouble with the replicators because they beamed debris on board for analysis and it assimilated them. Assuming the Asgard aren’t stupid enough to do that twice in a row…. Maybe they survive, but the mistake that most species make is messing with a debris field after their first encounter
It's difficult to compare universes but IMHO the Asgard should win with low to mid difficulty in these sort of engagements. The Borg's only real shot would be adapting quickly and using unorthadox strategies as I suspect the Asgard are too stuck in their normal way of thinking ... that or to make it an all out war and hope that their empire can slowly grind down the Asgard.
honestly i would think the asguard... whose technology would rival that of the imperium of man from 40k, would absolutely stomp here but its all down to how the modders implemented them
The scary thing is that if an O’Neill went up against three cubes, the Borg would win at least 80% of the time….. and go on to conquer the Asgard in short order because they have the opportunity to gang up on a single ship and steal all of its technology. The Borg don’t fit a conventional debate structure because they almost always sacrifice the first vessel in contact to simply learn about the enemy. This wouldn’t be a five on three this would be a five on one and then another five on one followed by the Tactical cube incorporating everything that the collective has learned from the first two engagements
Fortunately, the Stargate show already did this one for us, considering that the Asgards' mortal enemy is literally the Borg but spiders. And the Asgard lost.
@@LotarL31 hm, yeah, this would be a point where it would be an unknown which one would fare better. On the one hand, Borg vessels tend to be kinda weak against new types of weapons they have never seen and been unable to assimilate, so it would depend on if the Borg had already assimilated a race with Ion weaponry. Also SG shields usually work on a different mechanic than most ST ones, so some of the strategies the Borg use could be moot (albeit the Replicators being able to bypass shields with a few blocks launched to assimilate a vessel suggests that the shield bypass technique could still be theoretically feasible). Also, the Borg in general would need to be wary of the Asgard targeting their biological components, which is something only seen once for the Replicators, and it was in a movie where they puppetered a crewman. Also nanoprobes seem relatively easy to hack and some logical algorithmic factors could cripple them as well. Also Replicators tend to follow a more aggressive approach where they eat the technology and usually kill the crew, while the Borg tend to study and then assimilate the crew and the ship, this could be a con or a pro depending on the situation (a less aggressive approach could mean the Asgard would kill any Borg scouts easier, but if an Asgard gets assimilated, it would be disastrous for they would know all the weaknesses the Asgard may have). On the other, Replicators tend to be weaker against more primitive weapons or projectile ones that inflict a kinetic knockback (actually, for Borg drones, this is applicable as well) while borg cubes would be more resilient to that, between not being made of replicator blocks and having supspatial shields, so while the knockback damage an O'Neill class main Ion cannon would still be effective, it would not be as much as when compared with a Replicator vessel of same size. Also, Borg vessels have far better close-range sensors than the Replicator equivalent, so while hardly a guarantee, it could probably mean they could scan information better without actively attacking the vessel. Then there are factors I don't know where to place, such as that the Asgard, upon discovering Borg drones are captured individuals that could be brougth back, may decide to also look for a potential cure and thus be less aggressive initially against the drones, trying to contain them first for study. Or a very unlikely scenario where the Borg might have a cure for the severe genetic degradation, which could mean either the Asgard getting more interested on the Borg knowledge, or even a very unlkely scenario of an Asgard actively attempting to be assimilated, then trying to download themselves onto a new Asgard body to obtain the knowledge about a cure without being permanently assimilated.
After the results, you should have gone five Asgard ships against four Borg cubes to see where the balance lies. Is there a metric you use to determine how many ships you use in these battles, or is it just a gut feeling?
After the initial results, there’s no way of really calculating the balance because the Borg learn from every encounter and every subsequent engagement they get stronger and more effective at countering the Asgard
Maybe on their first encounter, but by their second, they will be less effective and by their third even less so by their fourth or fifth, the Borg win the engagement even went outnumbered, and after that they assimilate all the Asgard knowledge and the Asgard, civilization and swallow the galaxy. In a fight between the Borg collective and the Asgard …. the Asgard just don’t have the bench they have no strategic depth they control one maybe two planets and a handful of ships compared to millions on the side of the Borg
According to some rather "enthusiastically loyal" Star Trek fans, every non Star Trek franchise vessel mod is overpowered when it comes to Star Trek Bridge Commander. Because in their minds Star Trek beats everything.
@@ldarksong I'm just thinking of what I saw in the TV shows. It's always hard to compare different universes. But when one can traverse GALAXIES in weeks, I'm going to have to assume their weapon technology is also more advanced. (Maybe not to the same extent.)
@@Dracounguis that their engines can take them further proves nothing to point about their weaponry being advanced nor powerful. Or at least, there are so many exceptions that we cannot consider it a rule except under certain circumstances: * if we followed that logic, the Andromeda Ascendant from the Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda series, since it can traverse between faraway galaxies in minutes and also use that same method to time-travel or even sometimes jump between realities, then according to that logic they should trump even the Asgard, yet the civlization that built the Andromeda still uses traditional radio waves for communication and lacks energy shielding. * If we took that dummy spore drive from ST:Discovery, near-instant jumps from everywhere combined with being capable of time-travel would mean they could potentially beat the Time Lords of Gallifrey, yet that last statement could not be further from the truth. * If we consider the Ori Warships could potentially travel faster than the Asgard, and that the Ori had a supergate, then no weapons the Asgard could build would ever hope to destroy them - yet a few weeks after their first encounter the Asgard developed the Plasma Beam weapons, which could in a few strikes destroy Ori shielding. * Also technically speaking the Federation reached Warp 10 (infinite speed, being in all places at once, like the Heart of Gold). If we followed that logic then a Federation vessel could just stomp everything, specially an Asgard O'Neill (which is false... the Asgard would most likely beat the Intrepid).
@@alexslgato1735 you might be overthinking it a bit. 😆 Comparing universes is hard, and if you start taking the experimental tech like the Delta flyer going Warp 10 and turning them into salamanders. Not something really duplicatable or desired. I tend to ignore things like that in comparisons. 😆 Stargate never seemed to really care too much about how are their future tech worked, at least compared to Star Trek, so when they needed a bigger better whatchamacallit to defeat the undefeatable bad guy, they did so. Pause when you have a device the size of a car battery that can supply near-infinite energy it does make it hard to compete. You throw Andromeda in there... And from my fuzzy memory of the show I would have to put them at the top of the list. The bad guy near the end of the series hooked planets & stars together to become a ship! 😱 That's just crazy. Doctor Who... Kind of more fantasy than sci-fi? And when you can time travel at the drop of a hat it kind of negates everything.
No, the replicators are the Borg as they could be if they chose to blitz. The replicators eat everything because they programmed to eat everything for the sake of eating everything to make more of themselves for the sake of making more of themselves….. The Borg aren’t interested in expansion. They’re interested in improving themselves, biologically and technologically. That’s why they didn’t just steam the federation and take all of its tech now, they poke it occasionally and basically farm the federation for increases and advancements and technology. The board keep presenting problems and the Federation keeps having to come up with solutions and the board just take the solutions and poke them again.
Well, now we know how OP a ship has to be, to even make the Borg struggle badly. Still, it makes total sense Thor and the other Asgard would be the one to do it.
I doubt the Borg would stand a chance. The federation learned to deal with the Borg. The Asgard are literally a million years more advanced. They are in a whole other class.
Age is not an indicator of wisdom. The Asgard are old…. But as Thor even admitted incapable of using dumb ideas, like smashing something physically, if a fancy energy beam doesn’t magically disintegrate it.
One does not indicate the other. Just because the Asgard have faster engines that they inherited from the ancients, doesn’t mean that they are capable of resisting a far superior military force.
There's only one Supreme Commander Thor, only ever gonna be one Supreme Commander Thor.
Edit...except the various clones
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5:02 navigating a Borg Cube is always such a roll of the dice! 🎲
Wait... Was that a joke? Oh craps, I think it was.
@@s.patrickmarino7289I see what you did there
Love the fleet battles, I would love to see a goauld fleet against a romulan fleet.
Thank you for more Statgate ship action
That's O'Neill with 2 L's.
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The only correct way to spell it! 😂
Had images of that song you spin me right round playing as the tactical cube melti targets
May I recommend the Replicators, from the SG-1 Universe verses the Borg
RGB ive been addicted to your videos for a year now....im going to take your advice and like, comment, & FINALLY subscribe. 😊
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching 🖖
I love those little guys. I miss those Little guys.
Silly ain't it 😅
Nice. Now do the Ancient - Wraith war... Couple Hives & cruisers against some Auroras and cruisers
Imagine O'Neill class starships armed with plasma beam weapon.
That would be unstoppable 🖖
I wonder if Borg cubes can link up and be giant cube, a rubix cube 😅
Star Trek Armada 2 did that heh
The good old Fusion Cube from Star Trek Armada 2 lmao
You need to put a Stardestroyer vs. Battlestar Galatica..😮
A couple of shots with the Asgard plasma beam weapon and it'd be over, just like with the replicators. Depending on the power of the ion cannons, they would probably be a near perfect anti-borg weapon as they'd cause absolute chaos to the technological components of both the cube and drones.
I wonder what number the Borg will give to the Asgard.
Species 9135... the Asgard.
Just kidding... I doubt that the Borg can win.
Edit: Hahaha (sorry). You're fellow O'Neill ships would have probably prevailed, but they had their eye on you. 😆
Yes, the Asgard are superior, but if the player dies, it's game over 😔.
I like this... the borg are alot like the replicators, this so cool. ❤
to bad you didnt have the Asgard Beam cannons. Can you imagen a Borg Cube with Asgerd Shields and Beam Cannons like those on the 304's.
I know we didn't get to see the beam weapons on those newer Asgard ships on screen, but I think it's silly to think they wouldn't have them... And they would definitely be a huge improvement. I wish someone would add them to an updated mod!
The Asgard aren't strong enough here. Can't wait to see the new ships Hexagonal Nexul is making.
Ty for the video and LLAP!
I feel in reality the Asgard would be as effective against the Borg. They're a formidable force not to be recokned with.
I mean in that one alternate reality SG-1 episode where Jack died and Sam and Jack had been married. The Goa'uld specifically Apophis was taking over Earth. Once our SG-1 team were able to contact the Asgard the Goa'uld quickly fled through the Stargate. In fact the Asgard beamed up Apophis and his two guards.
That Stargate episode was epic. So funny seeing the Goa’uld running for their lives. Yes, the Asgard had a serious level of tech. Makes you wonder what earth did with all of that Asgard knowledge 🖖
5 on 3 and you declare the victor to be the 5? If the tactical cube is equivalent to the O'Neil, add 4 normal cubes if you're including 4 Asgard warships.
Really the five on three could still work if they encountered the Borg three separate times because each time the borg would learn from the experience grow and adapt, and by the third encounter could very well just send a larger ship, overwhelm the Asgard and assimilate all their technology
The asgard love those guys. Jack oniell.
Given the level of technology between the two - Borg 1000+ years vs Asgards 100,000 + ( and access to Ancient database) while the Borg can adapt the Asgard would still one shot them .
Agreed!
Not necessarily. A fight between these two really truly does just come down to whether or not the Borg have ever encountered weapons like the Asgard before because if they have, they have the counter in the database and they would automatically counter the Asgard weapons at which point the Asgard are one trick pony.
This is two standard cubes, one standard tactical cube against the most advanced vessel the Asgard ever produced …. the literal bleeding edge culmination of all of their technology and they’re still barely out of win because the cubes are largely just sitting there and adapting to them rather than trying to destroy them out right
@@Matt-yg8ub the Asgard Beam weapon, can penetrate the Ori shields in 3-4 hits , and those shields are powered by Ascended knowledge, far beyond what the Borg are capable of of producing even in a tactical vessel ~ 50 million years of knowledge( Ori ) vs the Borgs at lest 800+ to 2000 years of there own technology and assimilation other species technology with the Vulcans being 1500+ there’s no way the Borg would be able adapt to the beam weapons fast enough before there’d be destroyed ~ the same if Janeway haven’t interfered with species 8472 they’d effectively wipe out the Borg .
@@lasarith2 that’s not how any of this works. Age is no indicator of intelligence wisdom or knowledge. It’s just an indicator that you’ve been around for a while. If the Borg are 100 years old, and they stumble upon an ancient repository of the knowledge of the ancients and assimilate it….. your opinion goes out the window because they just gained the knowledge of another couple million years beyond their actual age.
Likewise, if the replicators are invented as a child’s toy and eventually come upon an Asgard ship and eat it and steal all of its technology, they gain the knowledge of the Asgard . Worse, they get really stupid and put the replicators in a time dilation field so that they can experience a couple million years of evolution in the blink of an eye….. the replicators are far beyond their calendar years and your opinion of age and intelligence goes out the window.
To use your own argument against itself, the Asgard weapon defeated the Ori. The Ori are older, yet the younger race defeated them. Age is no indicator of technological supremacy.
That’s literally the story of Stargate… the Ori defeated the ancients, the Asgard defeated the Ori the replicators defeated the Asgard and earth, The youngest of all of them defeated the replicators….. because the Tau’ri assimilated the knowledge of those who came before them and all of the cultures and races that they encountered, put it all together and put it to use, just like the Borg do.
@@Matt-yg8ub like the Borg you do not learn , the Borg cannot adapt to one shot beam weapons ,
The Asgard was in a alliance of the 4 great races , which lasted at lest 90,000 years - and had access to the ancients knowledge of 50 million years , they advanced there Hyperdrive ,shields and weapons past what the Anicents and Ori had knowledge of - the ancients don’t evolve or do anything except sit and watch , and the Ori while advanced suck the life from there followers to gain immortality and care for little else ,
the Asgard have used the last 10,000 years to advance beyond the level of technology of what they had for those three key technologies,
The Borg only learn by assimilation , they can’t learn any other way , - since no other species had contact with the Asgard , the Borg are (?) the level of energy from a beam weapon is far beyond what a Borg ship can take ~ see species 8472 own energy weapon - the Borg couldn’t adapt to it because they could not assimilate it , or the transphasic torpedo ( though in some form the eventually are supposed to learn to defend against it (probably for STO ))
Your argument of age doesn’t play a part is fundamental wrong , the Asgard used the knowledge of 50 million years + there own 10,000 to advance , they are a race 100,000 years old at lest 97,000 years older then the Borg or any other technological race the Borg assimilated thus far, the Borg would need to assimilate a race after they’ve seen the Asgard and looked at there ships and analysed it like Voyager did with species 8472 , otherwise like 8472 they’d be completely wiped out - the Borg are a type less then a type 2 civilisation where the Asgard are a type 3 + - plus the Turi where given the accumulated knowledge of the Asgard with a Thor ai advisor to learn the technology - we didn’t just understand it overnight , just because you can use something doesn’t mean you understand it , unless you study it ,- which the Borg don’t actually do , they assimilate those that do , if they don’t they can’t adapt to it and - bye bye cube , ~ collective.
So Borg Cubes don't adapt to weapons fire in the game?
There are a lot of things the Borg don’t do in the game because the game is intended to mirror a traditional 1V1 scenario that the Borg don’t fit into
Deffo my fave ship, I love the Asgard!
Wow Cool Battle
May I request one Big Battle? I saw Normal Atlantida strong against few Borg Klingon ships
How about if its in game..
1 Asuran/replicator Atlantida (which suppose to be much stronger)
against lets say 6 tactical Cube 4 normal Borg Cube and if you wish
1v 1 against that 29th Borg Cube Against Asuran Atlantis
An Asgard as a borg drone. That would be kinda cute.
Have you done a battle between Kelvin Enterprise and 1701-A???
😲The Asgard ship always looks nice wow.. 😨Gosh Admiral.. I thought the Asgard ship would have done it. but still held on. gosh the Borg. eeh. and Ouch or as T'Ana, '' awwh Sh**'' lol eeh ''oopsie doodle'' as Rutherford would say.. sorry I had to laugh.. eeh your ship kaboomed under cloak., that needs to be fix, shields even with cloaks.. lol The Tactical Borg Cube is unreal, like we say in Voyager.. gosh.. Well done Admiral. Yes I would say the Asgard were superior.. gosh. 45 min oh my.. love the end part.. Asgard ship at Hyperdrive and arrives in 9 sec.. gosh.. if StarFleet can equip the ships with Hyperdrives or Quantum drives.. lol. !😊🖖
Yes, apologies for all the bleeping, it was quite frustrating 😂. The tactical cube is a work of art. I think it looks so much better than a standard cube. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming 😂No don't apologies. gosh it's funnier with the ''bleeps', lol.. Yes I do love that Tactical Cube, and think this will by the model I will use to make.. and noodle lights and so many ideas lol. !!!!🖖
@@stevelapierre4776 cool! Would love to have the skills to be able to do that. Best of luck 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I think you have the skills. they are Cubes lol. just need the plans.. hmm Will find it and try too with plastic parts and other things.. Thanks !🖖*I'll be careful not to get assimilated lol!!
You figure with a such a powerful forward weapon's system the forward shields would be more powerful. Got to admit, there are two battles I would like to see, but I am not sure of you could do them. Dozas fleet from Macross/Robotech vs Atlantis. I don't think Atlantis could handle them (and it doesn't seem like Bridge commander could handle a battle that full size) but it would be interesting to see how long they could hold on.
I really would like to see the Federation Galactica face off against the Ori mothership, a Wraith ZPM enhanced hiveship or a 29th Century Borg Tactical Cube. Maybe the City of Atlantis or even a Zindi Probe?
If this was real, i think the borg might have won. They might have adapted to the asgard weapons and all where as in a game, they wouldn't be able to.
There are mods that make them adapt on this game, tho.
Exactly, the Borg don’t adapt well in this game therefore, it’s a numbers game and the Asgard have the numerical advantage in an initial encounter where the Borg traditionally lose intentionally to gauge the strength of the enemy
@@Matt-yg8ub there is a mod for that in KM - it is quite a powerful mod as I've tested first fights and the first fights are a lot easier than last fights.
Good fight ,,, thanks,
I have no knowledge about Stargate's ships and their weaponry but I think an "ion-canon" wouldn't inflict much damage on a Borg cube. At first of course but when the Borg learn to adapt to it, there's a big chance, one cube could take down a fleet of these ships. For example. The Enterprise D did major damage with a few phaser shots at their first encounter with the Borg. But after that the new weaponry (Shelby created) had still effect on Borg ships but way less than at their first encounter. Not to mention that standard photon torpedoes from the 2360s never had any effect on a Borg vessel.
Stargate weapons are ridiculously overpowered. The Ion cannon was one-shotting Goa"uld motherships/Ha'tak's (they were the main antagonists for most of the series). It was only when Anubis (a half-ascended Goa'uld......don't ask) came back with super shields that the weapon failed. And the Asgard plasma beam makes the ion cannon look like a squirt gun by comparison. SG-1 and Atlantic are well worth a watch. It's funny and the ship battles are awesome 👌
@@lunatari2867 It would not be that far-fetched for the Borg to eventually adapt and negate most of the damage - after all if a Go'auld shield could be modified to make all the Ion Weapons from an Asgard Beliskner ineffective, despite Go'auld shields paling in comparision with any Asgard shield, then the Borg can.
@@lunatari2867 what I mean is, if traditional Go'auld shields could not withstand a single shot from an Asgard Beliskner or a Tollan Ion Cannon, but the Anubis-grade ones could shrug those shots with little to no damage to the shields, yet 3 traditional Go'auld vessels with their Plasma cannons can still defeat an Anubis Ha'tak, that means that Anubis shields are more advanced and a bit stronger, not 100x times stronger (after all even if Anubis shield were to be 6 times stronger than a regular one, that would only mean it would take 6 Ion Cannon shots to take the shield down instead of 1, which is not what happened in the series. In the series Anubis developed an improvement to the Go'auld shields with some bits of ascended knowledge to just make the Ion Cannons ineffective).
Also while it is true that SG shields are strong, there are certain situations that imply SG shields (or at least, a few of them) are more vulnerable to certain things than a ST shield - after all a Death Glider can still deal some light damage to a regular Ha'tak shields, yet their staff cannons are not nowhere-close enough to a >1000 Megaton naquadah-enhanced nuke, which on season 1 dealt no damage to the Go'auld shields.
The Borg don’t conform to a standard one on one versus debate structure because they almost always sacrifice the first ship in order to learn about the enemy
No asgard beam? Or is that too overpowered? It would have obliterated the regular cubes 💯
I love these. Keep up the good content😊
Thanks! No this particular mod doesn’t have those. Someday though 🖖
The O'Neills did not have Asgard Beams because of (SPOILERS AHEAD):
By the time the Asgard developed the Asgard beams the Asgard were dying and only managed to equip them on the Odyssey and the knowledge into the Asgard Core.
I am sure if they had lived longer the Asgard would have totally equipped those beams and improved upon them further.
@alexslgato1735 How did you come to this conclusion when the Asgard equipped the dedelaus with asgard hyper drives and beam weapons. They didn't leave their full legacy via Prometheius asgard core installation and asgard full history for at least ( 2 or 3 seasons later) on TV time a few years later.
The original O'Neal was never finished. Not knowing it's full potential.
They would only be able to use the beam once, maybe twice before the Borg adapt. The 3rd cube would then eat the Asgard ships for breakfast
@@wrex419 Asgard Beams were devised as a weapon against Ori shielding, and when they were equipped the entire Asgard race was dying and moving to Orilla to leave the entire knowledge on an Asgard Core onboard the Odyssey.
Else a measly fleet of 6 Asgard O'Neill class vessels (for "O'Neill" I meant both the prototype with the extra guns and the class that succeeded the prototype, like the Valhalla) would have destroyed the at-the-time 6 Ori motherships in no time.
The Asgard have to win! Can you imagine tiny Asgard Borg drones? 🖖
Why do you never manoeuvre to put your target ship between you and the other enemies, to reduce the incoming fire from them?
No beams?
What game is this?
BattleStar vs Borg or BattleStar vs Star Destroyer or BattleStar vs Sovereign Class Enterprise 👍😁🍺
Lore wise asgard definitely win the early battled but eventually, like with the replicators, they'd run into the problem of not being able to adapt once the enemy uses their technology against them and eventually have to call the stupid humans to help then.
Lore wise, we know that the Asgard got themselves into trouble with the replicators because they beamed debris on board for analysis and it assimilated them. Assuming the Asgard aren’t stupid enough to do that twice in a row…. Maybe they survive, but the mistake that most species make is messing with a debris field after their first encounter
@retobadger. Can we see some love for the various excelsiors and classes
It's difficult to compare universes but IMHO the Asgard should win with low to mid difficulty in these sort of engagements. The Borg's only real shot would be adapting quickly and using unorthadox strategies as I suspect the Asgard are too stuck in their normal way of thinking ... that or to make it an all out war and hope that their empire can slowly grind down the Asgard.
Thor has self destruct if all else fails 😂
honestly i would think the asguard... whose technology would rival that of the imperium of man from 40k, would absolutely stomp here but its all down to how the modders implemented them
That roll was played out with the replicators.
The scary thing is that if an O’Neill went up against three cubes, the Borg would win at least 80% of the time….. and go on to conquer the Asgard in short order because they have the opportunity to gang up on a single ship and steal all of its technology.
The Borg don’t fit a conventional debate structure because they almost always sacrifice the first vessel in contact to simply learn about the enemy.
This wouldn’t be a five on three this would be a five on one and then another five on one followed by the Tactical cube incorporating everything that the collective has learned from the first two engagements
cube power to the 3rd power lol!
Fortunately, the Stargate show already did this one for us, considering that the Asgards' mortal enemy is literally the Borg but spiders. And the Asgard lost.
They same Replicators who would defeat the Borg more easily than the Asgard.
@@LotarL31 hm, yeah, this would be a point where it would be an unknown which one would fare better.
On the one hand, Borg vessels tend to be kinda weak against new types of weapons they have never seen and been unable to assimilate, so it would depend on if the Borg had already assimilated a race with Ion weaponry. Also SG shields usually work on a different mechanic than most ST ones, so some of the strategies the Borg use could be moot (albeit the Replicators being able to bypass shields with a few blocks launched to assimilate a vessel suggests that the shield bypass technique could still be theoretically feasible). Also, the Borg in general would need to be wary of the Asgard targeting their biological components, which is something only seen once for the Replicators, and it was in a movie where they puppetered a crewman. Also nanoprobes seem relatively easy to hack and some logical algorithmic factors could cripple them as well.
Also Replicators tend to follow a more aggressive approach where they eat the technology and usually kill the crew, while the Borg tend to study and then assimilate the crew and the ship, this could be a con or a pro depending on the situation (a less aggressive approach could mean the Asgard would kill any Borg scouts easier, but if an Asgard gets assimilated, it would be disastrous for they would know all the weaknesses the Asgard may have).
On the other, Replicators tend to be weaker against more primitive weapons or projectile ones that inflict a kinetic knockback (actually, for Borg drones, this is applicable as well) while borg cubes would be more resilient to that, between not being made of replicator blocks and having supspatial shields, so while the knockback damage an O'Neill class main Ion cannon would still be effective, it would not be as much as when compared with a Replicator vessel of same size. Also, Borg vessels have far better close-range sensors than the Replicator equivalent, so while hardly a guarantee, it could probably mean they could scan information better without actively attacking the vessel.
Then there are factors I don't know where to place, such as that the Asgard, upon discovering Borg drones are captured individuals that could be brougth back, may decide to also look for a potential cure and thus be less aggressive initially against the drones, trying to contain them first for study. Or a very unlikely scenario where the Borg might have a cure for the severe genetic degradation, which could mean either the Asgard getting more interested on the Borg knowledge, or even a very unlkely scenario of an Asgard actively attempting to be assimilated, then trying to download themselves onto a new Asgard body to obtain the knowledge about a cure without being permanently assimilated.
@@LotarL31I don’t know who ‘they’ are but I think a lot of people aren’t giving the Borg their due
Boom sweet
Enhanced Nano probe gravimetric torpedoes?
The Asgard only need two ships Jack O’Neal and Daniel Jackson
After the results, you should have gone five Asgard ships against four Borg cubes to see where the balance lies. Is there a metric you use to determine how many ships you use in these battles, or is it just a gut feeling?
After the initial results, there’s no way of really calculating the balance because the Borg learn from every encounter and every subsequent engagement they get stronger and more effective at countering the Asgard
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The Asgard are more powerful in every appreciable way…but i feel the Borg should win still, especially if it was one v one.
Thor would have used Replicators to weaken the Borg ships.
The true battle is Borg vs Andromeda's Replicators.
I dont think Borgs can assimilate nonorganic beings.
Try observing in a cloaked Asgard science ship. A couple of Asgard Beliskners and O'Neils will wreck the Borg.
Maybe on their first encounter, but by their second, they will be less effective and by their third even less so by their fourth or fifth, the Borg win the engagement even went outnumbered, and after that they assimilate all the Asgard knowledge and the Asgard, civilization and swallow the galaxy.
In a fight between the Borg collective and the Asgard …. the Asgard just don’t have the bench they have no strategic depth they control one maybe two planets and a handful of ships compared to millions on the side of the Borg
@@Matt-yg8ub I meant in the game. In universe, you're absolutely correct.
Stargate tech is way overpowered versus Star Trek
According to some rather "enthusiastically loyal" Star Trek fans, every non Star Trek franchise vessel mod is overpowered when it comes to Star Trek Bridge Commander. Because in their minds Star Trek beats everything.
@@ldarksong I'm just thinking of what I saw in the TV shows. It's always hard to compare different universes. But when one can traverse GALAXIES in weeks, I'm going to have to assume their weapon technology is also more advanced. (Maybe not to the same extent.)
@@ldarksong same could be said for any fan base 😂
@@Dracounguis that their engines can take them further proves nothing to point about their weaponry being advanced nor powerful. Or at least, there are so many exceptions that we cannot consider it a rule except under certain circumstances:
* if we followed that logic, the Andromeda Ascendant from the Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda series, since it can traverse between faraway galaxies in minutes and also use that same method to time-travel or even sometimes jump between realities, then according to that logic they should trump even the Asgard, yet the civlization that built the Andromeda still uses traditional radio waves for communication and lacks energy shielding.
* If we took that dummy spore drive from ST:Discovery, near-instant jumps from everywhere combined with being capable of time-travel would mean they could potentially beat the Time Lords of Gallifrey, yet that last statement could not be further from the truth.
* If we consider the Ori Warships could potentially travel faster than the Asgard, and that the Ori had a supergate, then no weapons the Asgard could build would ever hope to destroy them - yet a few weeks after their first encounter the Asgard developed the Plasma Beam weapons, which could in a few strikes destroy Ori shielding.
* Also technically speaking the Federation reached Warp 10 (infinite speed, being in all places at once, like the Heart of Gold). If we followed that logic then a Federation vessel could just stomp everything, specially an Asgard O'Neill (which is false... the Asgard would most likely beat the Intrepid).
@@alexslgato1735 you might be overthinking it a bit. 😆 Comparing universes is hard, and if you start taking the experimental tech like the Delta flyer going Warp 10 and turning them into salamanders. Not something really duplicatable or desired. I tend to ignore things like that in comparisons. 😆 Stargate never seemed to really care too much about how are their future tech worked, at least compared to Star Trek, so when they needed a bigger better whatchamacallit to defeat the undefeatable bad guy, they did so. Pause when you have a device the size of a car battery that can supply near-infinite energy it does make it hard to compete.
You throw Andromeda in there... And from my fuzzy memory of the show I would have to put them at the top of the list. The bad guy near the end of the series hooked planets & stars together to become a ship! 😱 That's just crazy.
Doctor Who... Kind of more fantasy than sci-fi? And when you can time travel at the drop of a hat it kind of negates everything.
Think the Asgard have been nerfed yet again.
The replicators are the borg on steroids, the borg themselves would be no contest for the Asgard
No, the replicators are the Borg as they could be if they chose to blitz. The replicators eat everything because they programmed to eat everything for the sake of eating everything to make more of themselves for the sake of making more of themselves….. The Borg aren’t interested in expansion. They’re interested in improving themselves, biologically and technologically. That’s why they didn’t just steam the federation and take all of its tech now, they poke it occasionally and basically farm the federation for increases and advancements and technology. The board keep presenting problems and the Federation keeps having to come up with solutions and the board just take the solutions and poke them again.
Klingons vs. jedi
poor defiant just wanted to spectate.
Wait a minute. The O'Neil was destroyed on its first flight. Major Carter and the Asgards blew it up to destroy a Replicator ship.
Well, now we know how OP a ship has to be, to even make the Borg struggle badly. Still, it makes total sense Thor and the other Asgard would be the one to do it.
I don't think thor would be a great drone
Thor would just take over the Borg computer system with his consciousness.
Now that'll be interesting battle. Thor's consciousness versus the Borg Queen.
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I doubt the Borg would stand a chance. The federation learned to deal with the Borg. The Asgard are literally a million years more advanced. They are in a whole other class.
Age is not an indicator of wisdom. The Asgard are old…. But as Thor even admitted incapable of using dumb ideas, like smashing something physically, if a fancy energy beam doesn’t magically disintegrate it.
The Asgard can defeat all Borg. For one thing, they have inter-galactic travel. That is a technology the Borg have never acheived.
One does not indicate the other. Just because the Asgard have faster engines that they inherited from the ancients, doesn’t mean that they are capable of resisting a far superior military force.
Resistance is futile no matter what enemy 😈😈
Not even close. The Asgard could hop between galaxies in seconds.
Stargate Replicators vs borg. Borg cannot assimilate them.
what a shame
You definitely should have won on the Asgard side 😅
Only because this is an initial engagement between forces and the Borg traditionally, throw the fight in order to learn about the enemy
1 asgard ship could take out the entire borg collective
Maybe a stronger ship with a cloak then but the defiant seemed default go to however lore wise probably romulan because they're the sneakiest 😂