My absolute two favourite SG-1 scenes, both feature the Asgard, specifically Thor. The "appearance" of Thors Chariot, was a serious Whoooaaaa moment. Then when "Supreme Commander" Thor corrected Senator Kinsey. Oh man I loved that moment, it was flipping brilliant..
It's been a LONG time, but wasn't there an asgard on board an earth ship to run the advanced tech and he got pissy over transporting a nuke to an enemy ship? Always makes me laugh.
In the Stargate universe, the Asgard inspired Norse mythology. They didn't just co-opt it. Also, while the Asgard ship at the Ori battle was not able to damage the Ori ships, there is no evidence that it was damaged or destroyed either. The last time the Asgard ship is seen, it is heading away from the fight. My headcanon for that is that it escaped with sensor readings of the Ori shields, and that is how the Asgard were able to develop the beam weapon to destroy them (relatively) quickly.
To me that would make a lot of sense. In fact the Asgard beam weapons look a lot like a improved slimmed down version of the Ori beam. So maybe it indeed was developed out of the sensor readings from that battle.
Yeah would be more logical that the people of earth got the mythology from the asgard instead of them got it from us. I just imagine some asgard research ship above earth during the viking age going like: dude check theese guys out, we gotta be like them😂
@@silentdeath7847 Yep, when it comes to mythologies, the Goa'uld actually did both. In some cases (Ra), they inspired the religion. In other cases, lesser known Goa'uld (that weren't system lords) that were trying to make a name for themselves might've co-opted an existing religion. The Asgard were the inspiration for Norse mythology.
The asgard ship (O-neill class) went into hyperspace. However thor mentioned the asgard ship was able to gather enough data on ori shields. Eventually building a weapon capable of penetrating ori shields. Once the asgard completed the weapon (Asgard beam weapon) it was installed aboard the odyssey. The rest is history
I would have preferred to call the older design the Mjolnir-class (due to the hammerhead) and the newer design with the spear-headed forward the Gungnir-class. For the uninitiated, Gungnir is the name of Odin's weapon. To the hopelessly uninitiated, yes-- it's that laser spear Anthony Hopkins wielded in the Thor movies.
I really like the O'Neill class ships. A shame the Asgard didn't give us some of those bad boys before offing themselves (something I'm still mad about).
At the very least, some of those should've guarded the Odyssey while it was being upgraded. Which would've led to an epic space battle between the Asgard and Ori fleet.
@@WilliamJulienNkogheOlympio Im upset that the show ended right when they got that. I have seen the movies but I just feel like they could have done so much. I would have loved to see an expanded and upgraded earth fleet
The writing of the show would have been better if they had the Asgard go into hibernation chambers and a cure for their problem could have been in the ancients database.
Cause today's folks are ofended by everything, therefore almost impossible to create content. Even if its only a show, people tend to extrapolate it into reality and create weird and dumb comparisons. Also todays scify shows arent show on regular tv, only streaming paid apps, therefore not much views and fame.
Shields, hyperdrive, super-hyperdrive, matter synthesizer, time dilation field, hologram, cloning, transporters, these guys really knew how to do stuff. And in their last effort they even managed to make weapon capable of taking down Ancient-level shields. While they were not as advanced as Ancient in their understanding of the universe, they took things seriously and managed to make far more useful and better applicable technologies.
Narrow but deep knowledge vs a wider yet shallower(not really considering what the Ancients have done but still shallower in a few things) knowledge. The Asgard did extract some of the Ancient Repository and, "Learned much from it," though. Loved the beam weapons and the synthesizer though. Hyperdrives(The Intergalactic Ones Anyway) were probably about even though.
Using Transporters as offensive weapons & just beaming chunks of matter out of a target must be one of the most op & underutilized scifi trope out there!
Great video ! I am a firm believer that whatever man can think up he can do, given time and technology. Light speed or near light speed is no big deal, we need warp speed to escape THE GREAT FILTER. Or else we're doomed to extinction like 98 % (+ -) of the species to evolve and live and die on this planet.
I would have loved to see the O'neill class battle ship in action before it was sacrificed against the replicators. It looked formidable. One thing I never understood about the Asgard. To solve their genetic problem, why did they never retain samples of their original or near original form, so they always copy the original, rather than copy of the copy of the copy. Even human tech knows that cloning takes very few amount of cells so they could have stockpiled samples. Second, why didn't they simply genetically design a new species, like empty vessels, that would be capable of storing their minds? Clearly, they had the technology to do so. Even ascension could have been an option.
"To solve their genetic problem, why did they never retain samples of their original or near original form, so they always copy the original, rather than copy of the copy of the copy." They didn't think it would be a problem when they started. They couldn't comprehend that such a thing was possible. It's the same reason they needed Earth's "dumb ideas" to defeat the replicators. Once they realised the problem with the cloning, it was too late. Which is why they had that science lab researching an ancient Asgard colony ship from before the major genetic changes (on the planet Thor was shot down by Osris over). Ascension wasn't an option, the same mental problem that prevented them from coming up with novel ideas (like blowing up the O'neill to destroy 3 replicator ships) also prevented ascension.
@@ImperativeGames I remember a line from the scientist about being unable to find a body that could contain there "massively superior intellect" but that could just mean there was no other species as smart as them alive.
@ 6:25 You mention towing another spaceship, like a "Tractor Beam" in Star Trek. Although travelling slower, taking hours to reach Thor's Planet from Earth. They are still going into Hyper Space, just not "AS" fast, due to said tow.
well no there is a differention between "Hyperspace" and "Hyperspeed" with Hyperspeed being suposedly some new superior form of FTL travel. But i don't know how much of it is based in the show and how much is fan speculation to explain scenes like when thor is towing the prometheus back to earth while we see out the window on the Prometheus bridge with no sign of a hyperspace window. Also it seems strange that Asgard can't keep up their shields in Hyperspace. So some explain that away by "only at maximum speed in hyperspace" or "well its hyperspeed not hyperspace"
Another great masterpiece! One Question: Why the Asgard Ships couldn`t destroy the Ori Ships but later the Odyssey with Asgard tech just needs 3 to 4 hits to destroy them. Was any reason provided that i missed? Thanks in advance. Keep up this great work!
Because the Asgards didnt had the technology, neither the need for that... they later on unite they're efforts, before they commited massive suicide, and put aside the no advanced weapons for underdeveloped races rule and simply went wild. Am guessing the beam would be a mix of asgard technology with the pulse weapon ancient technology Oneil provided against replicators.
@@RazudMezeghis thank you. That bothered me quite some time but i thought about that similar. The Asgard going all in no matter the cost because for them it wont matter anymore.
Nothing explicit was said that I recall. But the Asgard by that point had had another few years to develop new weapons tech. They just hadn't put the beam weapons in their own ships yet (that we know of).
@@GateWorldDotNet thx for your reply. :) I think i got a better understanding now. I just always wondered how well these Asgard beamweapons worked but at the Ori-Supergate all Asgard ships have been destroyed with almost none efficiency against the Ori. They must have developed those beamweapons based on some collected battledata of this event. Back then at war against the Replicators they already proved to be very adaptive in their strategies.
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Let all be honest if we ever got a space game for Stargate no one would pick human or goa'uld it would Asgard all day everyday, there ship design are just great
One thing about the asgard fighting against the Ori that upset me was that they were equally ineffective as the other ships, but then shortly after gave the Odyssey weapons technology that pretty easily dispatches Ori ships. I get that it wouldnt have built up the plot for the Ori ships to be DOA, but the logic of it upsets me.
The plasma weapons they gave the Odyssey had, to my memory, only just been completed and were likely made in direct response to the Ori mothership battle.
Been itching to watch Stargate again for the 10th+ time. Also where is "Stargate Remastered"? The cinematics in this video show just how old this series is.
The show would definitely benefit from a proper remastering. Most of my footage here is from the new upscaled Blu-ray release, so it at least has less artifacting.
@@djp1941 And i saw Stargate many years ago when there was only SG1 on a portuguese chanel. Theres no interesthing shows in europe, its always american shows. But eaglemoss shipping is really weird since it ships to most european countrys, like our neighbor Spain, but doenst ship to Portugal.
@@Bowiiihowdy Even so, a few weeks or months would've made a significant difference in the war given how powerful the new weapons and shields they've developed. If they were all going to die, then it would've been better for them to die in battle, reminiscent to their mythological counterparts. It could been a Ragnarok type of theme.
No, the Daniel Jackson was a smaller science vessel. As to the naming ... well, they reflect how the Asgard address the team members. I guess they have their reasons!
2:28 Wrong physical unit. Joule is the unit of energy. What you mean is power which is energy per time and therfore given in Joule per second, which ist Watt.
the most WoW Moment, when Asgard perseuing the Replicants and they Flew away with 20- of a Light speed WoW !!! and they asked how is possible, asgard said we dont know ! What is more fraightined !
I call the Asgard energy "cutting beam" a gamma ray gun. It has be a high energy (gama frequency range) operating at extremely high power. Another name I'm kicking around is "G.R.E.G." Gamma Ray Energy Gun. Lol
It's a plasma lance weapon, not a cutting beam. I seem to be coming across loads of people who insist on using terms from other franchises to describe technology from others.
Within a sci-fi context, I think bit more care needs to be taken with the use of the term "gods". It is clear that, historically, the Norse / Germanic gods like Thor (or Donner) were given adoration (latria) and sacrifice, and they were thought to demand the same. However, the Asgard of SG-1 are NEVER shown demanding adoration or sacrifice, though they do earn respect and even veneration. It appears they are "gods" in roughly the same sense as Haile Selassie or Julius Caesar; they posed as heroes but came to be adored (in the technical sense). It's worth pointing out that individual members of the Q Continuum or the Ancients were more powerful than most polytheistic gods are claimed to be. ("God" in the monotheistic sense is a completely different question, being more analogous to the writers of Stargate than to any characters in the show, including the Ancients and the Ori.) It is not power that makes a god, though; it is the worthiness to receive adoration and sacrifice.
Did those lights capture or just destroy everything in that scene with the ship thor coming in? Edit I asked too early they definitely destroyed all those ships and ppl.
I was always a little disappointed in the ships of Stargate. There was a lot of emphasis on how Earth's main advantage was that our military was organized much more effectively, and our tactics much more consistent and effective as well. Like all the older races had taken up such advanced tech that they forgot how to actually make war. . I'd have much preferred to see humans adapt seemingly useless technologies into odd applications to devastating effect, rather than have them get the power creep like they did. . Instead of having explicitly tougher ships or such...just design them better for combat. The Goa'uld and Asgard, and really all other races' ships, are absolutely crap as combat vessels in their design. Bad configuration, garbage weapon loadout, usually they're much, much too large. There's honestly nothing good about them. . It would've been better to see the humans take some otherwise innocuous alien tech, and turn it in to a shield-draining weapon. And to equip it on ships that, while technologically inferior, are actually properly designed for space combat, giving them a capacity to engage more advanced vessels that one wouldn't expect.
Your comment makes little too no sense. So how are the ships not designed for war? Let's take the earth ships, what other franchise are you comparing them too? Both the Prometheus and the 304 are designed really well given their roles and have great overall fire power before the beams........given they used earth weapons. Mmhh let's take say........the infinity from halo. Much the same there I would say no? Human ship built using reverse engineered tech? And that ship isnt really a good example of useage of tech. Building your ship around a main threat weapon may seem logical but it isnt. Haveing a much better range of fire power and coverage is much preferable. Let's take the destiny for instance. It has a main canon, but the ship isnt built around it and it doeant even need to be used, it can be retracted, protecting it. Or the hatak, which is the best designed warship in stargate. It has great manouverability, full 360 degree fire power, fighter compliments and deployment for troops and very strong shields in the greater scope of species in stargate. And a hull that can survive within hitting distance of a blue giant with its shields down for eight hours. And what are you talking about "shield drain weapons"? The species in stargate that have shields and ships have had them for at least fifteen thousand years in the goauld case. Then the asgard and the ancients etc. I'm not sure about you but I'm pretty sure they have had the time and experience to either have counter measures already in place for such weapons or could easily adapt to them. Much the same way as the wraith never bothered with shields so developed the hull regeneration tech instead to be able to recover from plasma and drone fire. To me technology does not work in such things as star trek, where you magically adapt to everything. You have to have the technology to adapt, not just the understanding. It then has to be refined and so on, which takes a long time. Like the Borg being able to adapt to anything. How? They would not only have to try and understand the newer tech but be able to produce it from data gained by weapon fire????? So the plasmas to hot for their hulls, then what? Youd have to build new ships not just design new hulls. The technology that the humans eventually gained in stargate, and they were studying and aboard, came from races at the zenith of technological understanding. Their shields...even goauld rated are simply beyond anything in say startrek, starwars etc, there is simply to many years ahead in terms of refinement etc. The only sci fi show that will show technology at that kind of level will be the halo show with the forerunners. But even the human ships in halo would be defeated by the likes of Prometheus without their shields. Their rail guns are simply a great and powerfull set of weapons, and their hulls are an alloy of trinium and naquda. That right their is a big difference in terms of not only hull strength but the hulls ability to dissipate energy, naquada is what the gates are made of.
The Ori ships had no business being more powerful than the Asgard, if we look at it objectively. The Ancients might have been substantially more powerful than the Asgard before ascension but the Asgard had a million years or so of technological advancement that should not only mean they caught up but overtook them in ship design.
well, Ori were sharing technology and knowledge with their followers in order to build their superior technology i presume, and also in season 8 ep.1- Thor says something about asgards gained acces to repository of Ancient knowledge and learned much from it, but also admittting they ,,barely scratched the surface,,, Asgards were very advanced but still Ancients and Ori are just superior
Wrong, the Ancients or Latians or Ori or Alterans or whatever, The human humanoid has been evolving over and over for the last 60million years because by 50million years ago was when the first Ancient ship left the original galaxy and traveled to the other side of the universe so the Ori Cult wouldn't find the Science atheist vessel anywhere because by then the Ancients were already living alongside with newer versions of humans, something like the Tauri for example. Basically, humanity evolves and ascends and then evolves again within a course of hundreds to a few millions of years of evolution then again another human species evolves again no matter what.
Wrong mate, The Asgard evolved around 100.000 years ago and by 30.000 they manage to get to space and by 28.000bc after 2 thousand years of advancement of technology they were able to travel all around their galaxy and nearby galaxies until they made a peaceful contact with the Ancients, the Furlings, and the Nox around 10.000 years ago. Which was also when the Ancients decided to evolve "again" the countless time.
@@miloddvoranak8900 The Asgard, Furlings, and the Nox are nothing more than a mutated version of humans descended from the original First Ancients who arrived in the Milky way over a 50million years ago, who spawned all life in the galaxy and pretty much all the universe.. Humans evolve then ascend again, then evolve then ascend again every few hundred thousand years to a couple million years ago.. The ancients who built the stargates in the Milky way are not the same who went to Andromeda. They are two different human evolution. It was said that the ones from 50million years died from disease and had to spawn life again all over the galaxy. Then again, then again, and the frozen ancient was another one and this one isn't related to the people that went to the Andromeda Galaxy.
Well, "known universe" seems to suggest they haven't yet encountered anything more technologically advanced. But even that's stretching the truth a little, since it seems fair at least the Ancients were quite a bit ahead of them, and even the Replicators may or may not have been more advanced at their core.
The Asgard civilization included at least two galaxies, excluding Pegasus and Milky Way. And I think we know of no race that could stand toe-to-toe with them, in terms of their own technological development, before the Ori showed up. (Anubis and the Replicators both scavenged tech from others.)
If the full power of the generators is required to travel through hyperspace, then just put in a secondary generator so you can use the shields and weapons. It's not rocket science.
Asgard are not dead.. they downloaded their consciousness to the Asgard database.. Asgard in the Atlantis galaxy has it.. it’s a matter of time before Thor is back and kicking with the new body. Hopefully when Stargate is revived.
Its not a mothership. They use teleportation rather than smaller craft that deploy from the ship. You could call it a "star ship" if you want something cooler sounding than "ship"
wait that asgard engine is 1 billlion KJ ? thats like 1 trillion degrees. the sun is 25 million degrees at its core. the asgard engines would be like 1000 ZPMs?
Not sure about the ZPM comparison. The engines are indeed powerful to the nth degree. But a ZPM is supposed to be essentially a universe in a bottle, so I'm not sure how to estimate its energy output in concrete terms.
That's every second. The Theorised way their reactors work is by compressing neutronium till it becomes a super fluid. This super fluid releases neutrinos. A naquadah (later naquadriah) conductor is used as a medium to cause a reaction from the velocity the neutrinos cause passing through the naquadah medium. The reaction this causes is what creates the energy needed to run the ship in a form of ionised plasma. Neutrinos only have a half life of ten seconds. So each rector is pumping out that energy every second or less. And considering their engines are low energy (meaning the energy they put in is vastly improved upon in the reaction) they are using very little fuel and getting tons more energy out.
@@nihilityjoey Yes, I figured they just mistakenly left out the "per second" part (the audio recording in the episode was cut off early); I just thought it was funny if the giant starship basically had the energy reserves of two fuel trucks.
WHY do people who do these video's ALWAYS ......ALWAYS say " in the entire universe" that's not possible in any reality , GALAXY OR GALAXIES' IS WHAT YOU SHOULD USE . the universe is infinite and no one on this planet or any other could control or know what it has in it .
You're right -- "warship" or "battleship" might be more accurate. Teal'c did refer to it as a "mothership" the very first time one appeared on screen, and it kinda stuck in fandom.
1billion kJ sounded too low for me. So, after a little digging I found that this value is equivalent to 0.0125 Atomic Bombs or 0.239 kilo Tons of TNT 🤣🤣 A little Pathetic for a space faring species, don't you think?
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You all realize this was just a tv show. You all talk like this is reality..I love the show but then it's over with now and now back to paying the light bill..
No the ships that came to save SG-1 from Osiris were more advanced but Thor had a Balistner class ship when he met Osiris' ship in orbit above the planet with the Asgard research lab
I think that's more or less what I said at 7:07. Thor's ship in "Revelations" has a hammerhead design, like the Beliskner. He is flying an O'Neill class only later, by Season 6's "Prometheus."
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My absolute two favourite SG-1 scenes, both feature the Asgard, specifically Thor.
The "appearance" of Thors Chariot, was a serious Whoooaaaa moment.
Then when "Supreme Commander" Thor corrected Senator Kinsey. Oh man I loved that moment, it was flipping brilliant..
Thor has nice scenes...but nowhere close to O'Neill ones.
It's been a LONG time, but wasn't there an asgard on board an earth ship to run the advanced tech and he got pissy over transporting a nuke to an enemy ship? Always makes me laugh.
@@jamiestewart48hemioid on the daedalous Stargate Atlantis episode the siege part 2
The sound design for the ship in that episode really made the ship feel super powerful. Loved it too.
In the Stargate universe, the Asgard inspired Norse mythology. They didn't just co-opt it. Also, while the Asgard ship at the Ori battle was not able to damage the Ori ships, there is no evidence that it was damaged or destroyed either. The last time the Asgard ship is seen, it is heading away from the fight. My headcanon for that is that it escaped with sensor readings of the Ori shields, and that is how the Asgard were able to develop the beam weapon to destroy them (relatively) quickly.
That certainly answers a few questions
To me that would make a lot of sense. In fact the Asgard beam weapons look a lot like a improved slimmed down version of the Ori beam. So maybe it indeed was developed out of the sensor readings from that battle.
Yeah would be more logical that the people of earth got the mythology from the asgard instead of them got it from us.
I just imagine some asgard research ship above earth during the viking age going like: dude check theese guys out, we gotta be like them😂
@@silentdeath7847 Yep, when it comes to mythologies, the Goa'uld actually did both. In some cases (Ra), they inspired the religion. In other cases, lesser known Goa'uld (that weren't system lords) that were trying to make a name for themselves might've co-opted an existing religion. The Asgard were the inspiration for Norse mythology.
The asgard ship (O-neill class) went into hyperspace. However thor mentioned the asgard ship was able to gather enough data on ori shields. Eventually building a weapon capable of penetrating ori shields. Once the asgard completed the weapon (Asgard beam weapon) it was installed aboard the odyssey. The rest is history
That particular class, the Biliskner, was one of their older designs. The newer O'Neill class, was much more advanced. More powerful weapons too.
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Unfortunately, all it did was self-destruct
I would have preferred to call the older design the Mjolnir-class (due to the hammerhead) and the newer design with the spear-headed forward the Gungnir-class.
For the uninitiated, Gungnir is the name of Odin's weapon. To the hopelessly uninitiated, yes-- it's that laser spear Anthony Hopkins wielded in the Thor movies.
@@derianvandalsen The first ship did, but it remained a class that continued to be produced and appeared several times.
The Asgard ships where the coolest design, and it was cool that Thor's voice was actually Daniel Jackson
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I really like the O'Neill class ships. A shame the Asgard didn't give us some of those bad boys before offing themselves (something I'm still mad about).
At the very least, some of those should've guarded the Odyssey while it was being upgraded. Which would've led to an epic space battle between the Asgard and Ori fleet.
The blueprints to build the O'Neill class ships are presumably among the various things in the Asgard core.
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@@WilliamJulienNkogheOlympio Im upset that the show ended right when they got that. I have seen the movies but I just feel like they could have done so much. I would have loved to see an expanded and upgraded earth fleet
The writing of the show would have been better if they had the Asgard go into hibernation chambers and a cure for their problem could have been in the ancients database.
The Stargate writing and production team are frigging genius, I don't know how they come up with this stuff? Strange how today shows do not compare.
Cause today's folks are ofended by everything, therefore almost impossible to create content.
Even if its only a show, people tend to extrapolate it into reality and create weird and dumb comparisons.
Also todays scify shows arent show on regular tv, only streaming paid apps, therefore not much views and fame.
It's not strange, it was inevitable.. seems like genius died a few years after StargateSG1 stopped being aired.. loll 🤣
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@@timw6863 I know, it is not great but The Orville is the only decent Scifi show at the moment... And I can not believe I just said that.
@@Mangomesh I love that show. I hope it comes back!
Thanks for this, nice upload.
Shields, hyperdrive, super-hyperdrive, matter synthesizer, time dilation field, hologram, cloning, transporters, these guys really knew how to do stuff. And in their last effort they even managed to make weapon capable of taking down Ancient-level shields. While they were not as advanced as Ancient in their understanding of the universe, they took things seriously and managed to make far more useful and better applicable technologies.
Narrow but deep knowledge vs a wider yet shallower(not really considering what the Ancients have done but still shallower in a few things) knowledge. The Asgard did extract some of the Ancient Repository and, "Learned much from it," though. Loved the beam weapons and the synthesizer though. Hyperdrives(The Intergalactic Ones Anyway) were probably about even though.
love it.❤ We have to got to have one of those on our planet. may several. thanks for posting.
Using Transporters as offensive weapons & just beaming chunks of matter out of a target must be one of the most op & underutilized scifi trope out there!
In atlantis they address this with transporting nukes. the asgard was very much against it
Personal transportaters and space delivery systems are sets in the ship, additional space logistics are suggested as emergency system.
Great video !
I am a firm believer that whatever man can think up he can do, given time and technology.
Light speed or near light speed is no big deal, we need warp speed to escape THE GREAT FILTER.
Or else we're doomed to extinction like 98 % (+ -) of the species to evolve and live and die on this planet.
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Thanks so much! Glad to have you aboard. 😁
Great recap
I was thumbs up/like number 4..👍❤️👍
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@@matthewhall7976 who cares
I stil remeber the awesomness of "seeing" the ship & the Asgard in action for the first time 1:31
I would have loved to see the O'neill class battle ship in action before it was sacrificed against the replicators. It looked formidable.
One thing I never understood about the Asgard. To solve their genetic problem, why did they never retain samples of their original or near original form, so they always copy the original, rather than copy of the copy of the copy. Even human tech knows that cloning takes very few amount of cells so they could have stockpiled samples.
Second, why didn't they simply genetically design a new species, like empty vessels, that would be capable of storing their minds? Clearly, they had the technology to do so. Even ascension could have been an option.
"To solve their genetic problem, why did they never retain samples of their original or near original form, so they always copy the original, rather than copy of the copy of the copy."
They didn't think it would be a problem when they started. They couldn't comprehend that such a thing was possible. It's the same reason they needed Earth's "dumb ideas" to defeat the replicators.
Once they realised the problem with the cloning, it was too late. Which is why they had that science lab researching an ancient Asgard colony ship from before the major genetic changes (on the planet Thor was shot down by Osris over).
Ascension wasn't an option, the same mental problem that prevented them from coming up with novel ideas (like blowing up the O'neill to destroy 3 replicator ships) also prevented ascension.
They said they tried everything and anything but nothing worked.
you can see the class used in the first episode of season 8 when they take down the replicator mothership and the season 9 finale in glances
In reality they would of course solve this problem with designing new bodies, but the plot needed them to go in some way...
@@ImperativeGames I remember a line from the scientist about being unable to find a body that could contain there "massively superior intellect" but that could just mean there was no other species as smart as them alive.
@ 6:25 You mention towing another spaceship, like a "Tractor Beam" in Star Trek. Although travelling slower, taking hours to reach Thor's Planet from Earth.
They are still going into Hyper Space, just not "AS" fast, due to said tow.
well no there is a differention between "Hyperspace" and "Hyperspeed" with Hyperspeed being suposedly some new superior form of FTL travel. But i don't know how much of it is based in the show and how much is fan speculation to explain scenes like when thor is towing the prometheus back to earth while we see out the window on the Prometheus bridge with no sign of a hyperspace window. Also it seems strange that Asgard can't keep up their shields in Hyperspace. So some explain that away by "only at maximum speed in hyperspace" or "well its hyperspeed not hyperspace"
Great video!
Another great masterpiece!
One Question: Why the Asgard Ships couldn`t destroy the Ori Ships but later the Odyssey with Asgard tech just needs 3 to 4 hits to destroy them. Was any reason provided that i missed? Thanks in advance. Keep up this great work!
Because the Asgards didnt had the technology, neither the need for that... they later on unite they're efforts, before they commited massive suicide, and put aside the no advanced weapons for underdeveloped races rule and simply went wild.
Am guessing the beam would be a mix of asgard technology with the pulse weapon ancient technology Oneil provided against replicators.
@@RazudMezeghis thank you. That bothered me quite some time but i thought about that similar. The Asgard going all in no matter the cost because for them it wont matter anymore.
Nothing explicit was said that I recall. But the Asgard by that point had had another few years to develop new weapons tech. They just hadn't put the beam weapons in their own ships yet (that we know of).
@@GateWorldDotNet thx for your reply. :) I think i got a better understanding now. I just always wondered how well these Asgard beamweapons worked but at the Ori-Supergate all Asgard ships have been destroyed with almost none efficiency against the Ori. They must have developed those beamweapons based on some collected battledata of this event. Back then at war against the Replicators they already proved to be very adaptive in their strategies.
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Ya just gotta love them Little Roswell Greys .
Let all be honest if we ever got a space game for Stargate no one would pick human or goa'uld it would Asgard all day everyday, there ship design are just great
One thing about the asgard fighting against the Ori that upset me was that they were equally ineffective as the other ships, but then shortly after gave the Odyssey weapons technology that pretty easily dispatches Ori ships. I get that it wouldnt have built up the plot for the Ori ships to be DOA, but the logic of it upsets me.
The plasma weapons they gave the Odyssey had, to my memory, only just been completed and were likely made in direct response to the Ori mothership battle.
The beam weapons were made right before installed on the Odyssey.
Been itching to watch Stargate again for the 10th+ time. Also where is "Stargate Remastered"? The cinematics in this video show just how old this series is.
The show would definitely benefit from a proper remastering. Most of my footage here is from the new upscaled Blu-ray release, so it at least has less artifacting.
@@GateWorldDotNet ya, i figured as much. Even that was somewhat disappointing though.
I love the Asgard Mothership.
U just have to LOVE the Asgards!!!
Nerd Cookies is also a wonderful Stargate Lore channel I just discovered.
Great video. Funny no matter how powerful a ship is designed. There is always another ship more powerful
I really wanted some model starships from Stargate, but unfortunally Eaglemoss doenst ship to Portugal.
Wow I had no idea that a American/Canadian science fiction show would make it to Portugal.
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And i saw Stargate many years ago when there was only SG1 on a portuguese chanel.
Theres no interesthing shows in europe, its always american shows.
But eaglemoss shipping is really weird since it ships to most european countrys, like our neighbor Spain, but doenst ship to Portugal.
I have the exact same issue as an Australian.
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I've always wondered why asgard ships are so huge. They only seem to need one operator so why all the extra space?
Dr. Jackson and Thor have a special connection.
worth noting that asgard ships are so advanced that they only need one person too pilot
If the Asgard hadn't killed themselves, then they could've held back the Ori fleet using their new shields and weapons.
they where probably weeks to maybe even months from dying anyway
@@Bowiiihowdy Even so, a few weeks or months would've made a significant difference in the war given how powerful the new weapons and shields they've developed. If they were all going to die, then it would've been better for them to die in battle, reminiscent to their mythological counterparts. It could been a Ragnarok type of theme.
@@Connor.SG-1Ring honestly would have been a good ending for them
Sad that the Asgard basically went extinct (despite a few outliers)
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Was the Daniel Jackson an O'Neill class?
Why do they use Jack's last name but Daniel's first and last names?
No, the Daniel Jackson was a smaller science vessel. As to the naming ... well, they reflect how the Asgard address the team members. I guess they have their reasons!
2:28 Wrong physical unit. Joule is the unit of energy. What you mean is power which is energy per time and therfore given in Joule per second, which ist Watt.
Cool, please to advance mothership networks as floating cities to Venus and Mars.
the most WoW Moment, when Asgard perseuing the Replicants and they Flew away with 20- of a Light speed WoW !!! and they asked how is possible, asgard said we dont know ! What is more fraightined !
I call the Asgard energy "cutting beam" a gamma ray gun. It has be a high energy (gama frequency range) operating at extremely high power.
Another name I'm kicking around is "G.R.E.G." Gamma Ray Energy Gun. Lol
I think it's officially called the Asgard plasma beam weapon
@@jasonharrison25 - yeah I don't like that name either. Lol
It seems to be a plasma-based weapon, not a light-based one.
It's a plasma lance weapon, not a cutting beam. I seem to be coming across loads of people who insist on using terms from other franchises to describe technology from others.
@@nihilityjoey thanks but I'll continue to call it GREG. I thought about "Wave Motion Gun" but that one is already installed aboard the Argo.
Within a sci-fi context, I think bit more care needs to be taken with the use of the term "gods". It is clear that, historically, the Norse / Germanic gods like Thor (or Donner) were given adoration (latria) and sacrifice, and they were thought to demand the same. However, the Asgard of SG-1 are NEVER shown demanding adoration or sacrifice, though they do earn respect and even veneration. It appears they are "gods" in roughly the same sense as Haile Selassie or Julius Caesar; they posed as heroes but came to be adored (in the technical sense).
It's worth pointing out that individual members of the Q Continuum or the Ancients were more powerful than most polytheistic gods are claimed to be. ("God" in the monotheistic sense is a completely different question, being more analogous to the writers of Stargate than to any characters in the show, including the Ancients and the Ori.) It is not power that makes a god, though; it is the worthiness to receive adoration and sacrifice.
Did those lights capture or just destroy everything in that scene with the ship thor coming in?
Edit I asked too early they definitely destroyed all those ships and ppl.
If there's a new Stargate show, I hope they include the Asgard.
They cant, they killed themselves.
@@xxZerosumxx Weren't there some kind of survivors in the Pegasus Galaxy? A splinter group?
The Asgard didn't use the cutting beams against the Ori, they probably developed them after that encounter, before sharing them with Earth.
I was always a little disappointed in the ships of Stargate. There was a lot of emphasis on how Earth's main advantage was that our military was organized much more effectively, and our tactics much more consistent and effective as well. Like all the older races had taken up such advanced tech that they forgot how to actually make war.
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I'd have much preferred to see humans adapt seemingly useless technologies into odd applications to devastating effect, rather than have them get the power creep like they did.
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Instead of having explicitly tougher ships or such...just design them better for combat. The Goa'uld and Asgard, and really all other races' ships, are absolutely crap as combat vessels in their design. Bad configuration, garbage weapon loadout, usually they're much, much too large. There's honestly nothing good about them.
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It would've been better to see the humans take some otherwise innocuous alien tech, and turn it in to a shield-draining weapon. And to equip it on ships that, while technologically inferior, are actually properly designed for space combat, giving them a capacity to engage more advanced vessels that one wouldn't expect.
Your comment makes little too no sense.
So how are the ships not designed for war?
Let's take the earth ships, what other franchise are you comparing them too?
Both the Prometheus and the 304 are designed really well given their roles and have great overall fire power before the beams........given they used earth weapons. Mmhh let's take say........the infinity from halo. Much the same there I would say no? Human ship built using reverse engineered tech? And that ship isnt really a good example of useage of tech. Building your ship around a main threat weapon may seem logical but it isnt. Haveing a much better range of fire power and coverage is much preferable. Let's take the destiny for instance. It has a main canon, but the ship isnt built around it and it doeant even need to be used, it can be retracted, protecting it. Or the hatak, which is the best designed warship in stargate. It has great manouverability, full 360 degree fire power, fighter compliments and deployment for troops and very strong shields in the greater scope of species in stargate. And a hull that can survive within hitting distance of a blue giant with its shields down for eight hours.
And what are you talking about "shield drain weapons"? The species in stargate that have shields and ships have had them for at least fifteen thousand years in the goauld case. Then the asgard and the ancients etc. I'm not sure about you but I'm pretty sure they have had the time and experience to either have counter measures already in place for such weapons or could easily adapt to them. Much the same way as the wraith never bothered with shields so developed the hull regeneration tech instead to be able to recover from plasma and drone fire.
To me technology does not work in such things as star trek, where you magically adapt to everything. You have to have the technology to adapt, not just the understanding. It then has to be refined and so on, which takes a long time. Like the Borg being able to adapt to anything. How? They would not only have to try and understand the newer tech but be able to produce it from data gained by weapon fire????? So the plasmas to hot for their hulls, then what? Youd have to build new ships not just design new hulls.
The technology that the humans eventually gained in stargate, and they were studying and aboard, came from races at the zenith of technological understanding. Their shields...even goauld rated are simply beyond anything in say startrek, starwars etc, there is simply to many years ahead in terms of refinement etc. The only sci fi show that will show technology at that kind of level will be the halo show with the forerunners. But even the human ships in halo would be defeated by the likes of Prometheus without their shields. Their rail guns are simply a great and powerfull set of weapons, and their hulls are an alloy of trinium and naquda. That right their is a big difference in terms of not only hull strength but the hulls ability to dissipate energy, naquada is what the gates are made of.
Lol maybe that's why aliens are scared to give us little tau'ri anything
I honestly believe a lot of the Asgards problems could have been solved with the cutting beam that they gave to humanity.
If they can convert matter into energy and back again, then why even need a spaceship? You can just bounce around space as a laser beam.
The Ori ships had no business being more powerful than the Asgard, if we look at it objectively. The Ancients might have been substantially more powerful than the Asgard before ascension but the Asgard had a million years or so of technological advancement that should not only mean they caught up but overtook them in ship design.
the asgard civilization only last for 100.000 years
the ori ascend more than 5 million years (before atlantis go from earth to pegasus)
well, Ori were sharing technology and knowledge with their followers in order to build their superior technology i presume, and also in season 8 ep.1- Thor says something about asgards gained acces to repository of Ancient knowledge and learned much from it, but also admittting they ,,barely scratched the surface,,, Asgards were very advanced but still Ancients and Ori are just superior
Wrong, the Ancients or Latians or Ori or Alterans or whatever, The human humanoid has been evolving over and over for the last 60million years because by 50million years ago was when the first Ancient ship left the original galaxy and traveled to the other side of the universe so the Ori Cult wouldn't find the Science atheist vessel anywhere because by then the Ancients were already living alongside with newer versions of humans, something like the Tauri for example.
Basically, humanity evolves and ascends and then evolves again within a course of hundreds to a few millions of years of evolution then again another human species evolves again no matter what.
Wrong mate, The Asgard evolved around 100.000 years ago and by 30.000 they manage to get to space and by 28.000bc after 2 thousand years of advancement of technology they were able to travel all around their galaxy and nearby galaxies until they made a peaceful contact with the Ancients, the Furlings, and the Nox around 10.000 years ago. Which was also when the Ancients decided to evolve "again" the countless time.
@@miloddvoranak8900 The Asgard, Furlings, and the Nox are nothing more than a mutated version of humans descended from the original First Ancients who arrived in the Milky way over a 50million years ago, who spawned all life in the galaxy and pretty much all the universe.. Humans evolve then ascend again, then evolve then ascend again every few hundred thousand years to a couple million years ago..
The ancients who built the stargates in the Milky way are not the same who went to Andromeda. They are two different human evolution. It was said that the ones from 50million years died from disease and had to spawn life again all over the galaxy. Then again, then again, and the frozen ancient was another one and this one isn't related to the people that went to the Andromeda Galaxy.
Of all the sci-fi ship designs, the Asgardian ships are my favorite. Sorry, Galaxy class. I love you, too.
i'd like a version of sg-u, minus the super old advanced alien ship just a stock standard earth vessel making runs and calls threw out the galaxy.
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0:18 NO ! Not the Universe just our Galaxy and the Pegasus Galaxy
Well, "known universe" seems to suggest they haven't yet encountered anything more technologically advanced.
But even that's stretching the truth a little, since it seems fair at least the Ancients were quite a bit ahead of them, and even the Replicators may or may not have been more advanced at their core.
The Asgard civilization included at least two galaxies, excluding Pegasus and Milky Way. And I think we know of no race that could stand toe-to-toe with them, in terms of their own technological development, before the Ori showed up. (Anubis and the Replicators both scavenged tech from others.)
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@@hylianchriss how do the aliens in grace compare?
1. There was only 1 Asgard Ship at the Supergate (1st Wave)
2. There was no evidence of the ship being destroyed.
If the full power of the generators is required to travel through hyperspace, then just put in a secondary generator so you can use the shields and weapons. It's not rocket science.
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Asgard are not dead.. they downloaded their consciousness to the Asgard database.. Asgard in the Atlantis galaxy has it.. it’s a matter of time before Thor is back and kicking with the new body. Hopefully when Stargate is revived.
Its not a mothership. They use teleportation rather than smaller craft that deploy from the ship. You could call it a "star ship" if you want something cooler sounding than "ship"
Technically you are right of course, but the show's own term for the Asgard vessels in canon is "mothership." So take it up with Teal'c. ;)
@@GateWorldDotNet I'd rather not. I'll let you have this one.
They wrote this wrong, They should have had the Asgard defending Earth, fighting or threatning the Asend.
So the ability to bring Destiny back to our solar system exists. Since we have their tech, it can be recovered.
wait that asgard engine is 1 billlion KJ ? thats like 1 trillion degrees. the sun is 25 million degrees at its core. the asgard engines would be like 1000 ZPMs?
Not sure about the ZPM comparison. The engines are indeed powerful to the nth degree. But a ZPM is supposed to be essentially a universe in a bottle, so I'm not sure how to estimate its energy output in concrete terms.
Looks like a Big Daddy ship to me. 😅
I forget have hataq shields ever withstood a nuke
Yep -- Colonel Samuels tried to nuke Apophis' ships in the Season 2 premiere, and they just harmlessly hit the shields.
God I hope Elon Musk is watching this !!!!!!!!
4 x 1 billion kilojoules is equivalent to aproximately 86 tons or 17,000 gallons of gasoline, lol. Not that much energy storage for a starship.
That's every second. The Theorised way their reactors work is by compressing neutronium till it becomes a super fluid. This super fluid releases neutrinos. A naquadah (later naquadriah) conductor is used as a medium to cause a reaction from the velocity the neutrinos cause passing through the naquadah medium. The reaction this causes is what creates the energy needed to run the ship in a form of ionised plasma. Neutrinos only have a half life of ten seconds. So each rector is pumping out that energy every second or less. And considering their engines are low energy (meaning the energy they put in is vastly improved upon in the reaction) they are using very little fuel and getting tons more energy out.
@@nihilityjoey Yes, I figured they just mistakenly left out the "per second" part (the audio recording in the episode was cut off early); I just thought it was funny if the giant starship basically had the energy reserves of two fuel trucks.
@@icn001 all cool dude.
I do not think that warship is the proper designation.
WHY do people who do these video's ALWAYS ......ALWAYS say " in the entire universe" that's not possible in any reality , GALAXY OR GALAXIES' IS WHAT YOU SHOULD USE .
the universe is infinite and no one on this planet or any other could control or know what it has in it .
"Motherships" birth and launch smaller craft. I see no evidence of Asgard ships ever doing this.
You're right -- "warship" or "battleship" might be more accurate. Teal'c did refer to it as a "mothership" the very first time one appeared on screen, and it kinda stuck in fandom.
It would have been cool if they had ships named, The James T. Kirk and The Spock.
Just saying.
1billion kJ sounded too low for me. So, after a little digging I found that this value is equivalent to 0.0125 Atomic Bombs or 0.239 kilo Tons of TNT 🤣🤣 A little Pathetic for a space faring species, don't you think?
I assume it's just "efficient." 😄 We really have no idea how Asgard engine technology converts that energy output to thrust.
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You all realize this was just a tv show. You all talk like this is reality..I love the show but then it's over with now and now back to paying the light bill..
The Omnipedia video series is styled like an in-universe databank entry.
No the ships that came to save SG-1 from Osiris were more advanced but Thor had a Balistner class ship when he met Osiris' ship in orbit above the planet with the Asgard research lab
I think that's more or less what I said at 7:07. Thor's ship in "Revelations" has a hammerhead design, like the Beliskner. He is flying an O'Neill class only later, by Season 6's "Prometheus."
Great video!!