Transphasic torpedoes have always been a last resort for Starfleet. If they were used it would be an last ditch effort to save the core systems of federation because the Borg could adapt quickly to the technology.
8:32 It's blurry from its own motion and the motion of the camera, but yes, the Falcon was at the Battle of Sector 001. Even more hilariously, if you ever read the Star Trek Vanguard novels, the Falcon (or at least, a small teardrop-shaped transport with a side-mounted command pod) makes an appearance there, as well.
There wouldn't be Akiras at Wolf 359. It's a post Wolf 359 ship. Even if it wasn't, the fact that the ship is armed with Quantum Torpedoes a weapon that IS post Wolf 359, means that it shouldn't be used. Now for the battle itself. Sending a ship back to stop the massacre at Wolf 359, likely dooms the Federation. As much as its a disastrous defeat, the lessons learned, helped them fight the Borg when they returned and likely contributed towards the Dominion War victory. It may be conjecture, but it's conjecture based on the facts.
9:58 it's a good job you requested help from the future. Clicking "distress call" would just send a pack of Ferengi. And you know they'd just sell you out.
@@Leondrius the aliens from ID4 if you count the sequel are pretty impressive. in the first movie their scout ship is already 1/4 the mass of the moon with loads of those city ships that are like 15 miles in diameter. in the second movie the mother ship is around the same size as the moon or 1/6 of earth and can create their own wormholes for their ftl.
@@Leondrius yes and would that be enough to take on a ship the size of the moon...that's the one thing that freaks me about the ID4 aliens...their ships are the size of moons... their "city ships are already 15 mils that puts them at one of the largest fictional alien race ships in sci fi
@@cosmeticscameo8277 Borg ships are semi-organic. They have the ability to repair themselves. Even if they sustain heavy damage, they can recover. The Borg can also beam aboard the mothership, assimilate the queen or whoever, and take full control of their ship, essentially turning their ship into a Borg vessel. I don't see it going well for the ID4 aliens in any scenario.
UA-cam just brought me back to this... I forgot how old it was. However, the J and cube pretty much fought to a stalemate. The cube can regenerate, and the J has amazing shields. I agree with another comment... why weren't transphasic torpedoes made standard issue... or a spinal phaser lance? 😄
If it makes sense most of these mods are not usually designed to be scaled to actual strength of their era in terms of weapons. So most future ship mods with the exception of a few ones are more equivalent to older era ships.
The J doesn't strike me as a pizza cutter at all. Looks More like the thing used to get bread out of the old stone ovens from the medieval era. That honor goes to the STD ship Discovery.
So If you haven't been able to figure it out yet; I can tell you now that this battle made it clear on what those flashing blue torpedoes are. They are shield eaters. That's what took the shields down on the cube's 3 sides. The longer the target remains in the flash zone, the more shield it eats up. How this can be effective on any vessel smaller than the enterprise J, i have no idea.
You can see R2-D2 in Star Trek Into Darkness. Right when the Vengeance first attacks the Enterprise and the first hull breach happened, if you pause it just right you see R2 fly out of the exposed hull along with crew members. For this had the Enterprise-J actually went back and helped with Wolf 359 I would imagine that the battle would have been over in about 2 minutes flat, maybe less than that. Considering the technological gap difference of a Borg ship from the 24th Century and the Enterprise-J from the 29th(?) Century.
14:14 i'd doubt this ship would pass as having survived. Half the ship was literally blown off and the inside is not probably fine either. Because it has not exploded just yet, we must assume that the warp core is still in one piece, but is probably damaged and will explode in 3... 2... 1...
Borg cubes don't explode, unless they are hit by species 8472 bio weapons. The reason the one exploded in 359, was because they overloaded the repair system.
I expected better from the Enterprise J, being from the 31st century (700 years)? I always felt that a BORG cube should travel and fight point on versus face on to bring additional weaponry to bare on a single or multiple targets.
That was a battle... jeepers... That Borg Cube is a tough nut to crack... Well done Captain.. I paused and went to see what you said about the Millennium Falcon and R2-D2.. yes there where in the shots... I never even thought that wow... Well, so must mean the Galaxy is NOT SO FAR AWAY then... Just saying..! Now just have to swap the warp core for Hyperdrive since it is 50 000 times faster than warp.... hmmmm!!
The Excelsior survived? Its floating there with no nacelles, missing part of her saucer section but "salvageable" If I remember correctly due to the effects of the temperol portal both the Sphere and E had no sheilds, so that added to possible damaged inflicted during the battle did probably weaken it considerably
It's a shame these ships don't have rotatable torpedo turrets, or broadside torpedo tubes. Also, how big are the torpedoes of the J? Considering the size of the ships, the torpedoes look bigger than the Defiant class!
On the one side, the Enterprise-J didn't help much. On the other, the assimilated Picard was killed. The future the Enterprise-J came from was wiped out.
Also yes the millennium falcon was in first contact the digital artist at lucasfilm put it in as a bit of an in-joke and they never removed it. R2D2 is ok star Trek 09 when the Enterprise drops out of warp in the remains of the fleet sent to Vulcan you see him drift past the view screen in the corner it's a blink and you miss it scend
Am I the only one wondering how much structural integrity is required to help hold the outer saucer section together when turning quickly, to counter centrifugal forces? That ship is enormous. That is to say nothing about the humans or objects inside!
Great shields on the J Enterprise but otherwise I think its designed as a peaceful Galaxy crossing ship so thats why its weapons are not super powerful even do they are Powerful and I think the Borg would have won here if it was real as if 1 Cube could not do it they would send more just to get the tech from the J. I think this battle would have the Queens attention do and she would have the whole Borg collective to use to come up with a method of talking down the Js shields and disabling them so that they could beam on assimilate them all and get all that tech.
you would think the enterprise J would have had some kind of significantly improved torpedoes like interspacial or something stronger than quantum torpedoes.
Someone botched the job completely. The J should one shot a cube. They would have had borg technology (from voyager an 7 of 9) from that era for centuries. The J should fart some exhaust gases on a cube and destroy it.
In my opinion, Star Trek bridge Commander is one of the best PC games ever made. I've been playing it for over a decade. I don't know, maybe somebody has, but if not, somebody needs to model the UNSC and Covenant ships from the Halo Universe. That would be awesome.
@@darkmatter1152 I honestly don't know why someone hasn't made another game under the title or an entirely new franchise with similar mechanics using current gen PC capabilities. Especially when you consider the popularity of Bridge Commander and it's cult following.
This mod for this ship is poop. The Enterprise J and at its time had a mass expansion torpedo. A device that would penetrate its hull and expand a pocket of space the size of an asteroid or small moon. Forceing the surrounding are to basically smash out around the pocket of space. Like exploding Krillin from the inside out like Frieza
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Didn't Janeway from 30 years in the future have weapons that could one shot a cube? The EJ should laugh at it
You could argue that they adapted. But yes, it should one shot kill anything!
Transphasic torpedoes have always been a last resort for Starfleet. If they were used it would be an last ditch effort to save the core systems of federation because the Borg could adapt quickly to the technology.
I was thinking the same. One torpedo volley should instantly destroy the cube.
Yes she did they where called Transphasic Torpedo but if you remember the borg Queen adapted to them when they where in the transwarp corridor
@@ChaseJones-qs7rv The Borg assimilated the technology long before the Enterprise J
8:32 It's blurry from its own motion and the motion of the camera, but yes, the Falcon was at the Battle of Sector 001.
Even more hilariously, if you ever read the Star Trek Vanguard novels, the Falcon (or at least, a small teardrop-shaped transport with a side-mounted command pod) makes an appearance there, as well.
Messed up! Thanks for confirming this.
When the 4K version of First Contact comes out, we should get a proper look at it.
There wouldn't be Akiras at Wolf 359. It's a post Wolf 359 ship. Even if it wasn't, the fact that the ship is armed with Quantum Torpedoes a weapon that IS post Wolf 359, means that it shouldn't be used.
Now for the battle itself. Sending a ship back to stop the massacre at Wolf 359, likely dooms the Federation. As much as its a disastrous defeat, the lessons learned, helped them fight the Borg when they returned and likely contributed towards the Dominion War victory. It may be conjecture, but it's conjecture based on the facts.
that refit looks so good. if it was a model, i'd buy it
I saw a model on Captain Foleys channel. I think he shows Eagle Moss models.
9:58 it's a good job you requested help from the future. Clicking "distress call" would just send a pack of Ferengi. And you know they'd just sell you out.
Rule of Acquisition number 17: A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Ferengi!
the borg would be a great match up for harvester aliens from Independence day
Yes, but I think the Borg would assimilate their encounter-suited butts.
@@Leondrius the aliens from ID4 if you count the sequel are pretty impressive.
in the first movie their scout ship is already 1/4 the mass of the moon with loads of those city ships that are like 15 miles in diameter. in the second movie the mother ship is around the same size as the moon or 1/6 of earth and can create their own wormholes for their ftl.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 But once the Borg assimilate even a few of them they'll have all of their secrets.
@@Leondrius yes and would that be enough to take on a ship the size of the moon...that's the one thing that freaks me about the ID4 aliens...their ships are the size of moons... their "city ships are already 15 mils that puts them at one of the largest fictional alien race ships in sci fi
@@cosmeticscameo8277 Borg ships are semi-organic. They have the ability to repair themselves. Even if they sustain heavy damage, they can recover. The Borg can also beam aboard the mothership, assimilate the queen or whoever, and take full control of their ship, essentially turning their ship into a Borg vessel. I don't see it going well for the ID4 aliens in any scenario.
UA-cam just brought me back to this... I forgot how old it was. However, the J and cube pretty much fought to a stalemate. The cube can regenerate, and the J has amazing shields.
I agree with another comment... why weren't transphasic torpedoes made standard issue... or a spinal phaser lance? 😄
This is highly innacurate. The Enterprise J would've sliced all the Borg assets like nothing.
If he targeted subsystems, then yeah.
0:13 Throwing in the modern Akira-class into the Wolf fray? Cheeky!
If it makes sense most of these mods are not usually designed to be scaled to actual strength of their era in terms of weapons. So most future ship mods with the exception of a few ones are more equivalent to older era ships.
Did someone just pick up a pizza cutter and think "wow, this would make a great starship"?
The J doesn't strike me as a pizza cutter at all.
Looks More like the thing used to get bread out of the old stone ovens from the medieval era.
That honor goes to the STD ship Discovery.
So If you haven't been able to figure it out yet; I can tell you now that this battle made it clear on what those flashing blue torpedoes are. They are shield eaters. That's what took the shields down on the cube's 3 sides. The longer the target remains in the flash zone, the more shield it eats up. How this can be effective on any vessel smaller than the enterprise J, i have no idea.
Never thought of this. Very nice thought Retro!!!
Oberth vs Galaxy Saucer? Or how many Oberth to take down a delta flyer?
That would be interesting! Probably 10 oberths for 1 delta flyer, haha. Saucer section could be close.
When I was in eighth grade, I wrote a poem about the Battle of wolf 359 for an English assignment. This was in early '94.
"We're down to four shuttlecraft" that reminds me of Star Wreck: Asskicker
The guys in the escape pods are cheering. You just can't hear them.
You can see R2-D2 in Star Trek Into Darkness. Right when the Vengeance first attacks the Enterprise and the first hull breach happened, if you pause it just right you see R2 fly out of the exposed hull along with crew members.
For this had the Enterprise-J actually went back and helped with Wolf 359 I would imagine that the battle would have been over in about 2 minutes flat, maybe less than that. Considering the technological gap difference of a Borg ship from the 24th Century and the Enterprise-J from the 29th(?) Century.
I remember seeing a UA-cam video about that, lol. So funny. Yes, the J would surely have some decent antiborg tech. 🖖
J is supposed to have type 15+ with at least 50 arrays. I'd change out the blue balls of nothing to darkmatter torpedoes.
I love the star ship enterprise
14:14 i'd doubt this ship would pass as having survived. Half the ship was literally blown off and the inside is not probably fine either. Because it has not exploded just yet, we must assume that the warp core is still in one piece, but is probably damaged and will explode in 3... 2... 1...
Borg cubes don't explode, unless they are hit by species 8472 bio weapons. The reason the one exploded in 359, was because they overloaded the repair system.
Longest battle in history
like the longer battles
See the disco weapon did do something disruptive - it made the Borg drones do the robot.
Nebula class: yes, it's excruciating, thanks for asking.
The Akira is from the future LOL. the antiborg fleet was not even close to ready by Wolf 359.
Why would there be an Akira at the battle that caused the Federation to build the akira
Has to be a big slow moving target for the shield eaters to truelly be effective.
I expected better from the Enterprise J, being from the 31st century (700 years)?
I always felt that a BORG cube should travel and fight point on versus face on to bring additional weaponry to bare on a single or multiple targets.
Oh there definitely was an MF cameo-ing in the battle for sure.
Good fight
Why is it that the Enterprise J always looks like it has sky lights is year of windows ?
That was a battle... jeepers... That Borg Cube is a tough nut to crack... Well done Captain.. I paused and went to see what you said about the Millennium Falcon and R2-D2.. yes there where in the shots... I never even thought that wow... Well, so must mean the Galaxy is NOT SO FAR AWAY then... Just saying..! Now just have to swap the warp core for Hyperdrive since it is 50 000 times faster than warp.... hmmmm!!
The Excelsior survived? Its floating there with no nacelles, missing part of her saucer section but "salvageable"
If I remember correctly due to the effects of the temperol portal both the Sphere and E had no sheilds, so that added to possible damaged inflicted during the battle did probably weaken it considerably
It's a shame these ships don't have rotatable torpedo turrets, or broadside torpedo tubes. Also, how big are the torpedoes of the J? Considering the size of the ships, the torpedoes look bigger than the Defiant class!
On the one side, the Enterprise-J didn't help much. On the other, the assimilated Picard was killed. The future the Enterprise-J came from was wiped out.
Is there a ship like that from the alternate universe that is so heavily armed
Also yes the millennium falcon was in first contact the digital artist at lucasfilm put it in as a bit of an in-joke and they never removed it.
R2D2 is ok star Trek 09 when the Enterprise drops out of warp in the remains of the fleet sent to Vulcan you see him drift past the view screen in the corner it's a blink and you miss it scend
Am I the only one wondering how much structural integrity is required to help hold the outer saucer section together when turning quickly, to counter centrifugal forces? That ship is enormous.
That is to say nothing about the humans or objects inside!
Does centrifugal force apply in a zero gravity environment?
Does the time ships havetemoral phasing torpedoes?
Kool video. I put my house mate through it too. He HATES star trek.
I cant figure out how lucky the borg cube will be firing without any sensors
How large is the Universe-class? I had heard it's supposed to be at least a mile long.
Talk with the set art director for the movie . The answer was quite simple .
Come on Borg.
You know that crash could be fixed by using Large Address Aware, there is a tool you can use to modify a target exe to use more than 4gb of memory.
If they can create artifiical gravity on a massive scale , they can create gravity based weapons. Good luck adapting to a barrage of singularities.
Wait, The J doesn't have Transphasic's?
Great shields on the J Enterprise but otherwise I think its designed as a peaceful Galaxy crossing ship so thats why its weapons are not super powerful even do they are Powerful and I think the Borg would have won here if it was real as if 1 Cube could not do it they would send more just to get the tech from the J. I think this battle would have the Queens attention do and she would have the whole Borg collective to use to come up with a method of talking down the Js shields and disabling them so that they could beam on assimilate them all and get all that tech.
They need to remake this game in UE5 and give us increased Multiplayer Support !
It isn't a theory about R2-D2 being in STAR TREK (2009). I've seen him in the debris field around Vulcan.
you would think the enterprise J would have had some kind of significantly improved torpedoes like interspacial or something stronger than quantum torpedoes.
The next level would be if we could move the camera around while watching the battle.
This is do dumb. Neither of those Borg ships from that era would have lasted more than 60 seconds against the J
Would Jennifer still have died in this timeline?
No fair and it took off.
To bad the Enterprise J is not as powerful as it should be in the future timeline. I thought it would kick @&&.
Someone botched the job completely. The J should one shot a cube. They would have had borg technology (from voyager an 7 of 9) from that era for centuries. The J should fart some exhaust gases on a cube and destroy it.
Enterprise-J vs 24th century Borg cube should have been quick work….
In my opinion, Star Trek bridge Commander is one of the best PC games ever made. I've been playing it for over a decade. I don't know, maybe somebody has, but if not, somebody needs to model the UNSC and Covenant ships from the Halo Universe. That would be awesome.
Yep it is the best Trek game ever. I'm hoping for a new campaign somebody can do.
@@darkmatter1152 I honestly don't know why someone hasn't made another game under the title or an entirely new franchise with similar mechanics using current gen PC capabilities. Especially when you consider the popularity of Bridge Commander and it's cult following.
Hmm Industrial Light and Magic sir, Lucasarts is the defunct game company I think?
Wait a second, did you just kill Captain Picard?
how did the j not totally obliterated
I had this game with mods, my enterprise could fire 24 torps at a time, one shot the borg.
The J a ship from 2550, should have dunked the cube from 2366 in seconds.
That was incredibly tedious.
seems the enterprise j is a bit underpowered
Yeah the EJ would have one shot it.
I have a request, please try ALL Enterprises vs. the Borg Cube.
Great Idea! 👍
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thanks!
wolf359 only needed voyager.
Go ahead and violate the temporal prime directive.
I never understood the need for the design of enterprise j........it's like elongated man and Gumby had a ugly baby
This mod for this ship is poop. The Enterprise J and at its time had a mass expansion torpedo. A device that would penetrate its hull and expand a pocket of space the size of an asteroid or small moon. Forceing the surrounding are to basically smash out around the pocket of space. Like exploding Krillin from the inside out like Frieza
take data and put them to sleep
I said it once and I'll say it again. I hate the Enterprise J. PS, that battle was boring.
In my opinion, the Enterprise J is the ugliest Enterprise ship.
Wow
Totally anti climactic
such an ugly ship lol, marmite I guess.
This game is a cheat!
The J is weaker than a ship with transphasic torpedoes ???