The shows creator has tweeted that he is trying to get a new stargate project going and it would not be a one off and would be a continuation. But there's a lot of work to be done before any projects gets the go-ahead.
@@sael1337 Did he tweet something about how he thinks Universe could be at least properly ended? I mean, if it's a continuation they really HAVE to give Universe some kind of proper canon ending... even if that means to show the Destiny adrift with all hands either dead or still in stasis. I doubt they'd be able to end the story as planned after Syfy killed it...
9/11 changed who we thought the enemy was, the attacks happened at the start of season 5. Show producers didn't acknowledge the attack or the war until Major John Sheppard showed up and said he was a pilot in Afghanistan, that is the only mention of the post 9/11 world, and by then the Russian cold war "threat" was written out. Interestingly though, they wrote in China and included them into the IOC to create "NEW" antagonist (this also reflects the real life international cooperation to fight global terrorism).
Scipio_Hibernicvs I always thought these ships and the 302s would help in creating a bad as video game. Even something like star trek online. I hope mgm brings back reboots stargate.
It wasn't even that well developed. If it had been, the Navy would have been given command of the fleet, and not the Air Force, as the average sailor has more skills that would be applicable to large spacecraft than any airman in the service. Plus it could have set up some interesting inter-service rivalry, with Air Force teams keeping score with Navy crews.
Probably one of the most capable ships ever to be produce, that we know of. The Asurans used ancient Tech and built warships like them. The Asgard Beam weapons cut through them all with relative ease, while the Asgard shields can take a hit or two. Their greatest limiting factor was the underwhelming Naquadria Reactors. If humanity ever gets to the point of making something on the level of a ZPM, the DSC will be a power house warship. The only ship in cannon that can stand off against it was the super hive.
@@Spinikar Atlantis or a ZPM powered Aurora Class Battleship could also stand off against a BC-304. The Ancient Drones are the only weapon in the know universe which is stronger than the Asgard Laser Beam and Lantian/Asuran Energy Shields are the second strongest in the universe, only beaten by Detiny's ultra-advanced shield technology.
@@smoothie9931 it isn't. The Shields of Atlantis and the Aurora Class Battleships have been designed for Combat and use with just 1 (or in case of Atlantis 3) ZPMs. The Destiny has been designed to withstand the extreme gravitational effects, magnetic radiation and heat inside stars and can also protect the ship from the relativistic effects of flying faster than light. There is no other ship in the whole universe which can do that (besides the seed ships obviously). The Destiny could withstand over 40 minutes of constant fire from dozens of advanced drones before the shields collapsed. Regular spaceships like an Aurora or Deadalus Class can only survive for a few minutes even if powered by a ZPM. The Destiny simply has way more power if fully charged and I guess that it's shield emitters are also better than Destiny's. And let's not forget that it's equipped with an super advanced AI which can deal with any kind of enemy. The only thing which is a little underwhelming are the weapons. They are still very strong, but they are not on the level of the drones which have been developed later. But apart from that it is the pinnacle of Ancient Technology. Their flagship. The best they ever built.
@@CaptainChrom mmm, while I understand your point... imma still have to agree to disagree. Atlantis with full zpm power was said to be unstoppable. Maybe if destiny has zmps, I would agree though
Korolev was not lost with all hands, Daniel Jackson survived by using the rings to transfer to the Ori ship, and the captain of the Odyssey stated that a handful beamed over to that ship.
Jon Harper on average it took about a year (ish) to produce a new ship so at this point they should have about 15-16 ships (bar any that’s got destroyed off screen)
I think acceleration is in deal here. However, one thing that wasn't really realistic to the content and lore was the fact that once they got their hands on the Asgard tech, they could mass produce those far faster than before. WE know they can because Samantha was able to do practically anything with a limited supply of energy in the time episode. They could probably assemble one with resources taken from all the junkyards on Earth and by beaming deposits directly from the ground to factory ships within months. IRL, that would happen, and it's an annoying thing that happens in a lot of shows. There's this one dimension of flat depth that content creators just can't seem to get over.
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GateWorld How about doing a video on some or all of the City-ships built by the Ancients, as we get two of them in the serier and the two more in the books? Also, you could make a video on some unused, still possible plots, like the Tria left in the void as Helia and her people came on a smaller ship, though for this one you'd have to have several such plots to discuss.
I would like to see a future video disscussing the insight n review of the F302 fighter interceptor aircraft..... The tactial implications of this fighter are quite possiably one of the most underrated in all of sci fi in general...
Dude, it's day-dalus not Dead-alus seriously, I know america has an education system and at least a passing understanding of the classics. And it's Min-otaur, (as in "Bull" ) not Mine-a-tar.
We only ever saw 2 at a time at most. _Daedalus_ and _Apollo_ were effectively attached to the Atlantis expedition while _Odyssey_ tended to things back home. _Korolev_ was destroyed before _Sun Tzu_ and _Hammond_ launched.
The Earth's space ships weren't necessarily battle cruisers, despite what a lot of sci-fi would have you believe, battlecruiser is not a generic term for warship. Battlecruiser is a term used to refer to a specific class of ship and one that was not necessarily all that powerful. What a battlecruiser refers to is a ship that's roughly cruiser sized (maybe a little larger) with cruiser level armor but armed with battleship caliber guns. The idea was that they could take on other cruisers (and lighter ships) with no problem because they'd outgun them, but because they only had cruiser level armor it meant that they were still pretty fast so they would run away from anything larger than it, like a battleship. At any rate, this design philosophy didn't really work out and by WW II, or after the war, most countries stopped building battlecruisers with the Russians/Soviets being the notable exception with their Kirov class battlecruisers. In regards to the Sun Tzu, there's no way her crew would have left it just sitting adrift. They would have scuttled her in order to prevent her from being captured and dissected by hostile forces. The Ori would probably just it for target practice since there's probably nothing aboard her that would be remotely useful to them but the Wraith and the Lucian Alliance on the other hand, a human starship would be of great interest to them, esp. the Lucians. Since neither the Lucians nor the Wraith posess beaming tech, that alone would make the Sun Tzu very appealing to them if they happened to see it abandoned and adrift.
That's a great point. It is worth considering, however, that neither the Wraith (other than the ship currently being chased to Earth when the Sun Tzu went down) or the Lucian Alliance have the engine technology to reach the Sun Tzu in the gap between universes. It would be a calculated risk to leave and come back for it.
Of greater value would be the Ancient ship they found with disabled hyperdrive whose occupants they rescued and returned to Atlantis. They also could've booby trapped the vessel against the approach of unauthorized vessels and they could remove or destroy critical components and wipe databases. Basically, they had no known opponents who could reach intergalactic space and would find the technology useful and considering how large space is, if the location is not known, the probability of the spaceship's discovery is less than the probability of breaking our most intensive security encryption codes.
@@GateWorldDotNet "It is worth considering, however, that neither the Wraith or the Lucian Alliance have the engine technology to reach the Sun Tzu in the gap between universes" Galaxies not universes, there is a slight diferance there. I agree considering at the time Earth did not know of anyone else with intergalactic hyperdrive technoligy and as intergalactic space is so vast scuttling a ship they could likely salvage and repair later when the odds of someone else locating much less reaching it were at least trillions to one against, would have made little sense. Madlax Lednera "Wraith do possess beaming tech" Unless you know something I do not, sort of but not realy, Wraith have the culling beam which stores targets on a dart for later remateralisation, still requires the ship to transport you, not quite the same thing as something that can near instantly transport you from a planets surface to a ship in orbit or vice versa
One minor issue: The ships Prometheus and Daedalus are not USS, but USAF, as they were Air Force craft. Their patches and plaques reflect this. Later: Odyssey, Apollo, and George Hammond were titled USS, as the expense to construct the ships meant the funding and personnel had to diverted to their function, and a more mixed label was provided. However, the original two never updated, as they could be relied upon exclusively by the Air Force. In other news: each Daedalus class was so massive that no two were the same. In fact, only two of them rolled off the line on schedule, and could be considered the same model: the Apollo and the Hammond. The Daedalus was rushed into service to aid in the Atlantis defense, and received custom finishing by the crew en route and following the battle, which were potentially passed on to the later models. The Daedalus was specifically part of the Pegasus fleet, and specialized for long-term activity away from a home base. The Odyssey and Korolev were both pushed into early service to fight the Ori, with the Odyssey receiving an early refit to run more permanently with a zero point module, and then the fullness of the Asgard upgrades, many of which were likely not kept on other ships to prevent their potential loss or theft in battle. The Odyssey served as the flagship of the Tau’ri fleet while it was active, operating frontline actions and secret operations that could not be revealed to the larger SGC until after their completion. The Apollo was designed to participate in the Pegasus Fleet, specifically as the Special Operations ship to extra-galactic areas. It carried a bomb bay and more advanced sensors unique to the Apollo, specifically to allow for long range recon and first strikes with nuclear ordinance. The George Hammond was the first and only ship to fall into the general fleet. Due to expenses, no other Tau’ri ships were made (as of this point in time) and so the last of the class was intended to hold an all-around position, as specialization would no longer be viable in a non-war state with no ability to produce new craft. There are rumors of two additional ship classes: the Eos and the Austerlitz-class Battleship. As the former has no USS or USAF prefix, we can assume Eos is a prototype like Daedalus and Prometheus, and exclusively Air Force. It is presumable a 305 or 306, but we have no confirmation. The Austerlitz was evidently to be built and fielded by the European Union, constructed by a French space agency. No known models were ever produced.
I think it should've been noted that the first hyperdrive of the Prometheus was the unpredictable naquadriah based hyperdrive which was only stable with a stabilizing buffer which could be burned out by accidental navigation through a nova in hyperspace thereby stranding the vessel, this drive was then replaced with a Goa'uld cargo ship hyperdrive allowing short jumps between cooling periods to avoid overheating, finally it was upgraded to an Asgard hyperdrive capable of crossing between galaxies. To be honest, I think they abandoned the Naquadriah drive too early as they simply needed to bring a couple of spare buffers with them plus without the buffer, it was compact enough for the fighters and was used in one instance for a fighter to jump through Anubis's enhanced shields, theoretically though unpredictable, it would've allowed shield penetrating hyperspace multiple warhead missiles that used the drive briefly, granted more of a depth charge barrage but it would've been effective against the often more superior ships of the Ori and Wraith. I also think they should've had x-ray/gamma wave laser missiles as that was proposed during the 1980's Reagan era star wars program. These would've been missiles with fusion bombs within which would be multiple copper resonator rods. These missiles would fly outwards away from the ship to a safe distance where targeting computers would aim the various resonator rods and the fusion bombs would explode causing each rod to resonate an x-ray to gamma wave laser towards it's target. Of course each resonator would actually fire two beams in opposing directions so the missiles would likely be fired at a right angle to the target to avoid hitting it's host ship or between two opponents to fire on both. The ability to target multiple targets would've been effective against multiple enemies. They also should've had kinetic kill vehicles (also a current proposed weapon) which are essentially guided missiles with six reaction control thruster one on each face of a cube to allow maximum maneuverability in space, these would've appeared as pulsing blinking lights as they went to their targets. But of course they opted for sci fi trope ray gun like energy weapons with only missiles and rail guns as homages to Earth technology. They really abused rail guns as point defense weapons when in fact they would be long range artillery, the TV show Expanse more correctly showed rail guns as long range kinetic weapons and conventional guns as point defense weapons.
Carter became a Lieutenant Colonel at the start of season 8 and took control of SG-1 when O’Neill became Brigadier General and took command of the SGC. She became a Colonel after the defeat of the Ori, but before she took command of Atlantis for season 4 and then the Hammond, which showed up as the Phoenix in the season 4 finale The Last Man in flashbacks of how everyone but McKay died.
Carter was promoted to Full Colonel before taking command of Atlantis and then the Hammond as most of the ships captains are usually full colonel in order to command a ship
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Odyssey's massive Asgard computer core upgrades, it's ZPM or it's cloaking tech. Which made it the most advanced vessel likely within multiple galaxies.
Me too, especially after they got and had access to knowledge of the Asgard and Atlantis technology. My disappointment was when during Atlantis expedition they meet replicators and didn't got the chance to go full with all the ZPM's they could get after they eliminated the replicators.
The best is the lore that compromises everything they did. You find stuff, you explore what stuff can do, you get alien tech, you reverse engineer, you make your own! THE LORE IS SO AMAZING!
The writers said not wrote but said the Hataks had upgraded their shields, however since this wasn't shown on screen or in the books/comics its not cannon by any stretch or by anyone's standards. Should the Franchise be renewed then hopefully we'll see the 304's with APB's utterly pulverize hataks.
This might have been a conscious decision. By the end of SG-1 S10, Earth had become a galactic player with immense firepower, so any previous enemy is no longer a match. Pulverising Ha'tak is amazing the first couple times, but it serves no dramatic purpose. New enemies would have to be even stronger than the Wraith, Ori and Goa'uld, and this power creep will become rather cheesy. Perhaps the lack of Asgard weapons is a financial decision? They're "too expensive", so that previous ships with them have a chance to shine, and suspense is kept alive.
I always assumed the initial attack managed to disable the Asgard weapons before they could be used. It was a surprise attack, shields down and the Lucian alliance had demonstrated they had compromised earth intelligence which could include weakness in ship design. We saw in the alternative timeline where the same ship just with a different name how the Asgard weapon were taken out quite quickly in an ambush scenario forcing the switch to missiles and rail guns. These would have little effect against shielded targets unlike reinforced hulls of wrath vessels especially ones in which by this point used Anubis enhanced shields.
Well a surprise attack works for me... But it is still kinda awkward to see them lose against three Hataks after the Odyssey took on like THREE Ori vessels while fighting solely on the defensive...
RedBaron, yes but at that point the Odyssey had the Zero point module giving it much more power to utilise for shields, while the Asgard core can generate significant power it is nothing compared to the output of a ZPM. Also if you consider it was a surprise attack there is no telling if any Shield emitters or power conducts were also damaged weakening defensive capabilities.
Earth needs a smaller more easily constructed warship Battle cruisers are great but they are rather large investments and take a lot of time to build how about a few dozen frigates to round out the fleet
They weren't even battlecruisers. They were cruiser-carrier hybrids like the Soviets developed. I hate that actual naval classifications are just tacked on to sound cool, without any consideration of their meaning.
I always thought Earth needed a midrange ship between the 302 and the 304, something that could take a beating and pack a punch and didn't take years to build.
Actually those weren't tacked on for cool effect. There's a reason that the Tau'ri went with that style and it's mainly because they had to copy the Goa'uld. Don't forget, on a piece paper, and with stripping the special qualities, Earth's warships and the pyramids are basically the same. One seat of power, one core, one shield, engines, and a lot of space superiority fighters. EVEN after the snakes got pursed, they still had to carry that platform because the other baddies simply stole the pyramids for their own. A shitty deal, really, but there's a reason for it.
With so much tech in their hands (Asgard beaming, subspace travel, shielding etc) I'm surprised that Earth hasn't made an enormous fleet of ships by now. Between the Ori and the Wraith, they need all the defense they can muster. Now if the Ancients can finally communicate how they make a ZPM and that handy body shield that McKay and others used on SGA, Earth would be likely invincible:+) God bless~
Takes time to mine all that Naqueda and Trinium for the hull. Have to remember 1 season = 1 year. A Ford class aircraft carrier schedules 5 years to make one, and that is with parts and resources readily available not needing to be done in secret through compartmentalized blind contracting of specific parts. The fact that we have made 7 in the time frame given for the series is nothing short of unbelievable. The Korolev launched a year early and we saw the result of that.
One BC304 was usually build for less than 1 year. Always wondered, why Earth builds ONLY the biggest warships, when most of its missions are support of sg facilities, scouting, support and transport of small groups including sg teams, diplomats and bussiness envoys etc. Majority of said missions could cover smaller, more cheaply and quickly build gunboat, wich could be designed and build with quick and easy modularity on mind - to equip it properly for each different mission. Some frigate (similar to al kesh bomber of goaulds) or even human-designed longer (and therefore bigger) puddlejumper torpedo/gun boat would be pretty nice, could be used as bargaining chips (or as a kind of payment, especially stripped of military technology and sold to the spacefaring civilisations - like travelers, who need the ships mostly as hulls for living and were able to pimp their ships out, if needed).
This was 'Awesome". 👍👏👍👏👍👏, Like watching these very informative videos of series past. I've forgotten of most ships in series, just to imagine as ones personal yacht with more amenities of the yachts we have from 2019 an past.
I'm surprised that no captured vessels were ever implemented into our fleet. We had ha'tak once, but even though our ships since then became significantly stronger, it wouldn't hurt to have second line of defence consisting of captured ha'tak, alkesh, and other more widespread ships. Hell, it wouldn't hurt to create a class of ships that would be more or less on the level of alkesh or ha'tak, but easier/quicker to produce. Some tasks just require numbers.
I suspect nobody felt like training people in the operations of alien ships. Remember, all the software still runs on Hieroglyphs and spooky quasi-mental interfaces. "But SG-1 could pilot these no problem", you might say. Well. 1) Only somewhat (for critical missions they still used their Jaffa liaisons) 2) SG teams run on the best and brightest, often recruited by people with more gut instinct is than skill (Dr. Jackson being a big example) at hiring. Dr. Lee, Dr. Kavanagh and Lt. Ford likely represent the "average" of what SGC can obtain on a normal day and all three were _leagues_ behind the core groups to the point where by the time of Universe the program had effectively run out of sufficiently candidates gifted, hence why they had to cast their net as wide as they did in order to find someone on the level of Eli It's more trouble than it's worth because to run alien ships you'd effectively require crews of 1 in 50 million-tier geniuses OR keep possibly hundreds of Jaffa on retainer which the IoA would whinge and whine so hard about it'd simply never go through.
@@unintentionallydramatic If they're hard to fly, then all it takes is literally to get jaffa or tokra to help our engineers with creating suitable interface to handle the ship more easily (if we're able to reverse engineer goauld fighter, it shouldn't be a problem to do the same with ha'tak, sure it would take longer but with help from some of the more knowledgeable allies like tokra, it should be possible and realistically achievable). Other than that, my question was also meant in a way of: why not keep those ships and store them somewhere (second line of defence)? They're useful if we suffer some losses (considering the number of BC304s we have, even loss of one of them makes substantial dent in our defensive and offensive capabilities), they could just be stored in miliatry storages just in case, hell, even if we couldn't control them at all, we could strip them of useful materials (you could always strip away just basic systems like weapons, control crystals, shield generators, hyperdrive, or transport rings, not to mention that just getting naquadah from them would still be profitable af).
I think the SGC should have looked at redesigning the Prometheus class with the lessons learned from the prototype (and new technologies acquired since), and be used as sort of destroyers. This would free up the more capable Daedalus class ships to be used in more urgent or dangerous situations. Since in this universe Russia and China are on much friendlier terms with the US, they could build these ships under the SGC.
Always thought the Daedalus class looked a lot like the Galactica without the huge snakehead forward section but didn't hate it, just noticed the similarity.
I always felt a little bad for Earths ships. Everytime they were thrust so quickly into stacked odds Lol . And RIP to the Korolev 😭 Barely had any lightyears on it
Keep in mind that in the original Star Trek series, Star Fleet only had 14 starships. The presumption of having hundreds is rather modern and only first shown in DS9 and Discovery. I'm surprised they didn't just make a cargo version when they started resupplying Atlantis, simply turn the docking hangars to storage, leave out some of the weapons and increase the number of Naquadria reactors to power the hyper drive and cloaking. Or just a simple hull that's quickly built. To be honest, I would've expect them to use submarine hulls, cargo ship hulls and drilling rigs so that most of the construction could be hidden in plain site.
That's a good thought. I think in this early era of Earth's space travel they were rather severely limited not just by construction capacity (the number of BC-304s they pumped out by Season 9 was pretty astonishing) but especially by the availability of trinium. This was a plot point in Season 7's "Enemy Mine" -- they needed the mineral for the 304 construction project. If trinium continued to be in limited supply, and if they didn't have another way to make a hull that could withstand hyperspace flight, then Earth might have opted to stick with battle cruisers and not spend this resource on vessels that couldn't be summoned to defend Earth in a pinch.
Hmmm i havent watched the video yet, but I think i recall the 7 ships as: Prometheus, Daedalus, Odyssey, Korolev, Apollo, Suntsu, and Hammond(Phoenix). Lets see if I recalled correctly.
I just have to point out that Carter was promoted to full Colonel right before Season 4 of Stargate Atlantis, so she wasn’t a LT Colonel when she took command of the Hammond.
Hammond was the second the two command the SGC watch the first episode onail give a shot out the genarl of the base for the movie witch is part of the story
I really doubt they would leave Sun Tsu to drift away. How long does it take to build one cruiser? Two years? Also, it still has its database so leaving it might be a risk. Not even mentioning all the tech. Yes, getting it home seems difficult, but once you do that, you can spend as much time on repairs as you need.
thanks need this for my Stargate immersion gameplay in Stellaris :) ( using mods which allow me to have either Tauri (Humans) ships from the Show or even Goauld ships as well.)
Pretty sure Carter was full bird Colonel by the time she got the Hammond she got that promotion when she went to Atlantis to take command and that was before she got the Hammond
Totally forgot about Sun Tzu. Yeah, they setup a lot of awesome stuff that wasn't to be. Also, the Hammond should have had no problem blowing up all of Ships with it's Asgard beam weapons, the fact that there was any kind of a fight that lasted longer than 5 minutes is stupid. xD
I always find the top of these ships to look so weird and flat, and the front, so nose and weird hahaha I don't know xD The Prometheus engines were so huge :D
“Growing” is too strong a word according to the follow-up books. The Sun Tzu is indeed still adrift, possibly deemed unrecoverable due to the damage. Earth’s politics and the economy crisis are preventing new ships from being built, not to mention the more isolationist politicians in Washington, who aren’t too keen on Earth (or, at least, the US) playing the role of the intergalactic savior anymore.
By the time Samantha Carter took command of Atlantis, she was a "full bird" colonel in the Air Force, and as a colonel, she also commanded the Hammond. She was NOT a Lieutenant Colonel
Actually, Earth (Tauri) spacefleet is VERY poorly made. First of all, fleet consisting of one type (F302 not counting, because they are only "in-system" fighters) of spaceship is no fleet at all. Ask US, or Russian, or any navy on the world navy, if anyone of them does have "fleet" combined only from long range missile carrying aircraft carriers, or if their fleet include also ships wich are MADE to excell in any particular (different) style of combat, than the carriers - I mean, no dedicated scout ship, no dedicated stealth ship, no dedicated troop (or materiell) transport, nothing. Secondly, the speed and economics of building the ships. I mean, if they are building 304s with the speed of 1 per six or tvelve months, how fast would they make a fleet of considerably smaller interstelar reconosaince, stealth, long-range heavy bomber ships? Or some modular light long-range ship (like frigate with modulary interchangable equipment containers? Given the fact, Tauri depends still MOSTLY on SG teams, in terms of interstelar war, why no one ever did not think about a light spaceship capable to support such team for a long term missions? Or why no-one ever figured out a human-made puddle-jumper? With rockets and reilguns instead of drones, and with no ATA gene coded piloting, but big enough to house a hyperdrive, living quarters and some heavy weapons and small enough to still fit through the gate. With such (smaller) spaceships, Tauri could open a trade-negotiations with geniis (no-technology-above-rocket-drives version for them) for the Travelers (they want their ship for living space - to expand their numbers and even for it not much regarding technology needs to be undisclosed. Both have a good deal to offer - genii the intel, supply and material, the Travelers their technology to improve the human-tech. Can you imagine a bazooka-like gun on the same principle, as Ronans pistol? Or hyperdrive operating witouth crystals? Not to mention the possibilities for private market - to buy a small ship seems like no big deal, but for a private person, it could be the pinacle of their lives. And even Milky way galaxy (and Andromeda) are filled with a lot of wealthy private persons (wich could help to build more ships by paying for theirs). Not to mention, gateship is the only way how any more considerable military and industrial help could be transported to the Destiny. By gate to Destiny and than by hyperspace bubling (or hyperspace windowing) out, seemingly "through" the hull (as the f302 did thru anubisis supermothership shields). Afterwards, the Destiny crew would have their own faster than light (hyperspace) ship, wich they can direct PRECISELY unlike the Destiny can be piloted through FTL.
Earths fleet is designed to complement the gate network and as said in the video those are deep space carriers. Like the Enterprise class in Star Trek was not meant to be used as coast guard cutter. Also modular designs suck just have a look at US modular ships..
OriginalTharios well while xou are in deep space nothing really matters since you probably cant even find your enemy. I think deep space simply refers to the range. And being in deep space Id rather be on a carrier than a small goa oul bomber. but totally agree on the missile stuff and limited use of the fighters. But again fighters follow the rule of cool
To your comment nr 1 First, we are both talking about completely different things. I am commenting an SG-verse flotilla IN SGVERSE. You are talking SG-verse flotilla in OUR UNIVERSE. Manuevering thrusters answers the manueverability, range is unlimited {unlike in atmosfere and gravity, where the projectile is slowed down}. Submarines, LHDs, science and spy-ships, coastal and riverine patrol boats, zodiacs {rubber boats for transport between ships} and other {myriad} of other ship tipes and ROLES does not exists? Instant "shooting down of missiles and fighters" is BS. Both are shot down by missiles today, wich do not cover entirety of globe for instant kill. The super scaut technology of orbital spying is working because of extensive belt of spy satelites. Wich had to GET there somehow, and if you WANT to deploy a surveilance net on any planet, it is better to do it from a less spotable craft, than from friking few hudret meters battlecruiser. Especially for the reason, you might nead that battlecruiser to be in defensive position somewhere else, or be in a fight somewhere else. If compared to the WW2 terms - it is better to have a PT boat to spy on enemy or to transport a general out of the danger, than a cruiser. Not that cruiser is more easily spoted, but you will loose a different amount of materials and number of personel, if mission goes wrong. If it goes OK, it does not matter, if you have there a small capable boat, instead of kill machine. Also, the tokra would be pretty stupid, to have "spy ships" next to their alien tech {do not forget, that alien scanners are fighting alien ways of evading being scanned}. "Stealth in space is impossible"is not entirely true. the whole sentence is "stealth in space IN OUR UNIVERSE is not possible by means known to us yet" AGAIN, i was talking about stargate universe, where almost every major faction does have some version of clocking devices for persons, and for ships. The propulsion is different too {How "hot" is gravity drive or hyperspace drive?} You are not really a fan of reality facts on cold war, are you? "Stealth planes"all over Soviet union for spying for whole DAYS - not too long before. Regarding dedicated troop transport - again, see goauld troop transport ship, its wraith equivalent or a way the asgards of Pegasus attacked the Atlantis. If you sneak behind enemy lines and deploy a comando - like small squad {like SG-team}, you can use them for painting the defence of the planet {and around the gate}, taking them out with their {or the ships} bombardment firepower and they can immediatley grab and hold the gate. Would especially help, if you interupt the large contingent transport {or a VIP transport} by the gate by deployable "shield"version of IRIS.
The rule of cool is simple writer trope, not a way people WANTs it. BTW it is said, the "wings" of tie fighters and X-wings do have cooling ability inbuild and there is quite fancy and nice version of how that works in Mass effect (on the first Normandy). Regarding expanse, i belive it may be some kind of radiator on the surface of the ship, wich is covered by armour (with some smaller cracs) and supplemented by use of cryogenic coolant(s).
i still think if there ever had been another season it would have been a good chance to introduce a bigger class of ship for earth, some sort of battle carrier in the same type of designs they had been doing but kind of the idea of carrying a lot more F302's which i could see an upgrade to them taken from idea from the Ori being shields for the fighters. Im thinking somewhere up towards the current amount the US has on one of its carriers. The other cool thing would have been incorporating more Asgard tech into the ship which would allow for more power for the ship thus everything else ya could think of could follow. faster, more personal, more weapons and faster firing of. anywho just a dream at this stage i guess.
I'd actually like a picking up of Discovery. However, it would need to have a one time event in the first episode that would trade out several characters for some new better ones. Chloe was useless and annoying minus a couple of episodes (you know which ones), Rush was good but getting him back might be difficult and the other military leaders were just boring and lacking any kind of compelling qualities whatsoever. Alternatively, another show picking up after the end of SGA were scientist understand how to slowly make ZPM's (by studying Atlantis' computer's) and then building ships to go way out into the galaxy with all of Earth's tech and catch up with Destiny and also in other directions would be interesting. Destiny's purpose was looking really interesting.
Well, as much as I love the series I highly dislike the approach of the knowledge they had obtained, first they got entire database of Asgard, after they got access to Atlantis city and its database but most ridiculous was when SG-1 around 3ed season found Ancient knowledge database and in somehow they forgot about that, they didn't take the opportunity to go further in the future. Speaking of last iteration of space ship mentioned in the video it couldn't keep up with enemy when the ship was equipped with the best weapons in the series!
After how Stargate: Origins was produced and Universe got put in the trash don't get your hopes up for anything else good coming from the Stargate Series
Love their battle cruisers, their look, their interiors. But it seems to me the bridge stations don't all have established functions. They seem interchangeable, they can do whatever the script calls for. And the two duty stations in the front were later omitted entirely on the Daedalus-class. What, were they not necessary? They looked so cool. What I hated about Star Trek bridges was the longer the show went, the less duty stations were needed to the point where only the main characters really needed to bother to show up for a bridge scene. I know why, they wanted to reduce the need for extras.
Unfortunately, Hammond is not the first to command the Stargate, General West is the first during their first mission to Abydoss. And Carter was not lieutenant colonel but full bird colonel at the time she commanded the Hammond
I addressed the Carter rank error in another comment -- mea culpa! But West was never in charge of the organization designated "Stargate Command," which was not formed until the end of "Children of the Gods."
MGM messed up so bad when they cancelled SGA. Who cancels a franchise when its at the height of its popularity, especially after just ending the original series?! Guess Earth is protected by Atlantis now and forget about the Wraith and humans left in Pegasus
it amused me that the hammond didnt take a handful of minutes to finish the lucian alliance given at this point in time they had the plasma beam weapons of the asgard. if a few shots could destroy ori mother ships then the single well aimed shots could destroy ageing hatak class goauld ships
Having the Russians as allies with their own ship was probably the closest I'll ever come to seeing anything even close to the Rama or Eon Books becoming movies.
I never liked how the earthships were on par with goauld ones in battle. Or how humans did outstrategize a race of millennia old always-on-war aliens with the experiences of a thousand men.
They should have built the Daedalus class ships 10x's larger which could have given them the ability to generate much more power for various systems like Goa'uld weapons instead of rail guns and stronger shields ... They wouldn't have needed a ZPM ...they would also been able to carry a lot more F-302's ...they could have carried a lot more nukes...you know the Chinese when they got the Sun Tzu the made a copy of all the part and started making counterfeit knock-offs
I was rather sad to see Chekov killed. He had always been such an interesting character. Sometimes helpful, sometimes a bit biligerent and always looking out for mother Russia.
He was always trying to make sure his Nation was on equal footing, but when push came to shove he was willing to lay his life on the line to defend earth and her allies. A damn good character.
During the battle at the Ori Supergate, at least a dozen or so crew including Dr. Jackson made it off the Korolev right before it was destroyed, and according to known sources, Colonel Chekov's fate is unknown. So there is at least a small likelihood that he survived as well.
Best thing about the Fleet was .... Col. O'Neill: The name I suggested. Maj. Carter: For the ship? Col. O'Neill: Yeah. Maj. Carter: Yeah, sir, we can't call it the Enterprise. Col. O'Neill: Why not?! Maj. Carter: The project codename is Prometheus. What's wrong with that? Col. O'Neill: It's a Greek tragedy. Who wants that?
@@Lordturisas1 Given the standard english is closer to the British it would be the correct pronounciation though. (after all American english is just derivate of the British one - the original one) Also other nationalities (European) pronounce it zet/d aswell. For example Dr. Zelenka the czech guy in atlantis does too.
I would kill to get another Stargate series. Preferably one that took place a year or so after the Stargate program became public knowledge and Earth began colonizing uninhabited worlds and trading with its allies on a commercial scale. With more war ships and new aliens to be encountered in unexplored areas of the Milky Way and beyond.
I would be glad for more series. But: what else is there to explore? Humans in SG went from pretty much former slaves with primitive technology and luck, to hunters of goaulds, saviours of jaffas, hunters of wraiths, killers of replicators, killers of ori, saviours of two galaxies, successors of asgards and efectivelly became leaders of the universe.
It will inevitably get a reboot within 10 years time. No one has decent original ideas anymore and many kids or adults never saw the original series or have grown up after it ended. Seeing as there are many terrible shows being given a reboot it seems logical to reboot a very successful series but perhaps with twist. We saw them play with timelines so the reboot could be a slightly alternate timeline, reality or parallel universe. It would be easy to set it that the gate wasn't discovered until the present day or the military didn't ge a hold of it till the present time of the new show. They could make it a bit of a darker show as they seem to be the current flavor of show, more realistic and gritty. Would you watch a reboot?
@@henningheinz5916 Same for me. And i miss Teal'C surprised face after listening to O'Neill. I am not an acting expert, so i can't say Richard Dean Anderson was a great actor or else but... he McGyverized a character like the Stargate movie O'Neill, and he made it in a credible way... Sure it was far from being a perfect show, but damn, i miss the first seasons of SG-1
That little thing between Master Bra'tac when he taps his head. THAT, those little things, they made the series beyond great. Real, tangible. Modern TV shows can't even begin to grasp such concepts. Rest in peace you cuddly old general and your warm actor too, Don S. Davis. Man, and just recently Carmen Argenziano died too. We're getting old.
this is what I love the most about stargate. They started from the bottom, learned things here and there and picked up on new tech. you see them slowly progressing towards "star trek" level ships and making mistakes along the way. Started with nothing but a shuttle, now we have a fleet!
In some ways the BC-304 surpasses Star Trek, particularly in regards to FTL speeds. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Stargate has the fastest finite speed FTL methods in science fiction.
I love this show , I had a dream once I was interstellar being a million times more powerful than a descended being and was free to do whatever I wanted, and was hundreds of millions years old , and I came across earth and helped the stargate program flourish through everything you see in the TV series I helped them require "free" gau'ld ships and Ori ships and the Atlantis team get Atlantis running again and got rid of replicators that the ancients made and gave replicator planet and technology resources to them and their entire fleet too , so with the all the gau'ld and Ori ships in milky way galaxy under Earth's command and Atlantis and replicator planet and fleet in Pegasus galaxy in their hands earth was doing really great with my assistance and helping them build a galactic domain exploring and learning lol
The show didn't just maeterialise a ship pout of nowhere, viwers saw the individual components beinf researched step by step. Power source, alloys, weapons, drives, propulsion, everything came before the ship itself
@@Knowbody42 Earth does now have the designs for all of those ships so it is possible someone could build one like they would a classic car maybe carter lol
You'd think MGM would just sell the rights to stargate to Netflix or Amazon etc. They've no interest in continuing the series and haven't been doing much financially for a decade now. I see stargate sitting in storage another decade if they get their way. At least if sold, then the actors from SG1, Atlantis etc are all young enough to return in some capacity still and not be jarring. Also a new show following a new SG1 would be amazing. Imagine how well a show with a new SG1 made up of people from various nations on earth would do. A new refurbished SGC with a modern look and more regular contact between Atlantis and Earth. A new enemy like say the ancients themselves or better yet BRING BACK THE GOULD. there are many ways they can return. I could see a reboot do so well. Could even have Carter running the SGC with Daniel or someone else like Vala still around in some capacity. Tealc making the odd cameo as a leader of the Jaffa Empire. Then have John Shepard running Atlantis appearing every so often. If the show is successful it could allow us to one day even wrap Universe up.
I didn't think the Sun Zu was destroyed. I always assuemed it was badly damaged and that had we gotten a sixth season of Atlantis it would have been repaired and we would have seen it.
Depends on if you go with the novels or the comics. Novels say that the ship is in critical condition and they don´t know if it´s salvagable, in the comics it´s already repaired.
Carter was a full bird Colonel when she took command of Atlantis which came before the Hammond. Shepherd even mention it in Lifeline when gives her a small salute congratulating her on the promotion.
That's an alternate timeline so the Atlantis may never have been commissioned in the standard timeline. Another ship which could be added was the Aurora class ship Orion. It was used by the Atlantis mission on loan from the Taranians.
@@Catubrannos I think it's about built by the Tau'ri. Otherwise there'd been even more ships. Apart from the city-ship Atlantis, they also had a Ha'tak, which they've loaned to the Tok'ra. And there's Destiny, although this one's debatable. It's inhabited and commanded by people from Earth, but they are basically an own colony, which just follows (most of) the commands/recommendations from Earth's commandeers.
More importantly it houses the asgard datacore which holds all the knowledge of one of the most advanced races ever shown and is the only bc304 powered by a zero point module greatly increasing all its energy based systems. I would say the odyssey could take on every space ship ever flown by stargate command (and sga) and come out untouched. This includes ori mothership and Aurora class ships
@@compaq98sc true but the only reference we have is a battle with the zpm hive and an alternate universe where the Antarctic drones were used to fight an ori invasion. In the former neither ship did any real damage to the hive and in the latter all the SGC could do with thousands of drones was force a single ori ship to withdraw while the odyssey easily destroyed one. Atlantis is powerful when fully equipped with drones and ZPM's but it was never designed for battle and the only reference we really have in regards to asgard shield/weapons vs lantern shield_weapons was the battle over asura. I would say that a single ZPM powering a warship with the latest asgard tech would be more effective than Atlantis with 3 even when it wasnt thousands of years old and falling apart.
@@angrykid616 True but lets look at a few facts we know. Ori manage to destroy the Odyssey even with the Asgard core and ZPM. Yes the odyssey managed to destroy a few ships but we already know from the Battle of Asura that the Asgard can destroy ancient ships. Zpm hive took 8 shots to down a non zpm BC-304 class vessel. Ori at battle of the Gate managed to Not only take out a Asgard shielded 304 with no zpm fairly quick along with multiple other ships. A Ori Satellite manged to quickly dispose of Prometheus granted Prometheus was weaker then a 304 class this clearly shows they had the firepower to take out Asguard shielding. Atlantis despite a wormhole jump and being drained from earth's Atmosphere still managed to take a massive amount of shots from the Zpm hive. This shows that Atlantis can take a massive beating with its shielding far more then a normal ancient or Asgard ship. Drone weapons ripped through Goa'uld shielding just like the ori beam weapon although it looks like it took a few more of them to destroy the ship's hulls. ( going off of battle of Anubis.) --- Assuming the Drones are even semi comparable (we know they are slightly weaker) to the beam weapon of the ORI then we can assume given the other information above that the Drones should also be able to do so. We also don't know how strong a ori beam is vs a ori shielding only that Asgard weapons fired multiple times CAN destroy a ori ship. We do know that The weapon of Antarctica did manage to drive off the ORI or destroy it ( not 100% made clear). This means it was capable of damaging the ORI just like the Asgard beam weapons can. Putting all this together and the fact that Atlantis would have far superior shields to a normal Ancient Ship it is safe to assume Atlantis would potentially beat the Odyssey even with the ZPM and Asgard Core.
What I loved about the Earth ships were that they were never really the big dog in the yard until seasons later. Also, by the time SGU started, the George Hammond could have one-shotted the Lucian Alliance ships. It was a major plot hole that was never really explained.
Yeah, the Lucian Alliance never had access to the really good Goa'uld tech, just the standard ships. Although by the later seasons they were significantly upgraded from early season standards, but they were still far outclassed by BC-304's shields and weapons, particularly after season 10.
The lucian alliance along with the free jaffa also had access to the hatak class ships that the replicates upgraded. Its suggested that using these upgrades they have somehow managed to make their shields highly resistant to beam weapons. This isn't too farfetched considering that the main enemy of the replicates were the asgard so their shields showing a resistance to asgard weaponry would make sense
@@angrykid616 "Its suggested that ..." It's suggested where? I don't remember anything like that. From the producers of SGU it's just an unexplained plot hole..
@@kyjo72682bad choice of words. It is the only in universe explanation that makes sense. It's either that or Carter is such a bad commander that she thought the best way to defend Icarus base was to not destroy the enemy hataks and let them fire on the planet
If there was a new series I would to see this. How about a series where the tauri have become the asgard role with multiple fleets but a new enemy is over the horizon. A coalition of enemies. That some gouald survived and entered into a Alliance of the wraith who by this time was given ancient tech especially zpms en mass. As ships disappear and are captured by the gouald and given to the wraith. The deal between the two is a division of power in the milky way and that they can have all tauri and allied territory. Or maybe a trade deal. The Gouald could have the Pegasus galaxy and Atlantis to begin again while the wraith evacuated Pegasus for the milky way. On top of this another power is on the rise that wants Dominion. The renegade asgard that survived now prevented their genetic decline and can reproduce again, having seized a sister city ship like Atlantis... The enemies of the tauri using the lessons they learnt fighting earth, but going slow and stealthy first. Learning to our tech them... A reverse so to speak...
I love this show , I had a dream once I was interstellar being a million times more powerful than a descended being and was free to do whatever I wanted, and was hundreds of millions years old , and I came across earth and helped the stargate program flourish through everything you see in the TV series I helped them require "free" gau'ld ships and Ori ships and the Atlantis team get Atlantis running again and got rid of replicators that the ancients made and gave replicator planet and technology resources to them and their entire fleet too , so with the all the gau'ld and Ori ships in milky way galaxy under Earth's command and Atlantis and replicator planet and fleet in Pegasus galaxy in their hands earth was doing really great with my assistance and helping them build a galactic domain exploring and learning lol
We don't want a remake of the series. We want a continuation.
The shows creator has tweeted that he is trying to get a new stargate project going and it would not be a one off and would be a continuation. But there's a lot of work to be done before any projects gets the go-ahead.
@@sael1337 Excellent. That is what I want to hear.
@@sael1337 Did he tweet something about how he thinks Universe could be at least properly ended? I mean, if it's a continuation they really HAVE to give Universe some kind of proper canon ending... even if that means to show the Destiny adrift with all hands either dead or still in stasis. I doubt they'd be able to end the story as planned after Syfy killed it...
It would be dumb. They have all asgard tech now. So it would be too hard to write.
@@JJvideoman Unless you write an out of context threat. Maybe an extra galactic origin.
The BC-304 is one of the best looking ship in scifi. Absolutely beautiful.
It really is. Honestly looks like a legitimate spacecraft carrier.
Would agree but I have seen the destiny
@@adarkwind4712 thats because its real and the show is plausible deniability
Losing the Korolev so quickly was a waste. I always enjoyed the whole back and forth with the Russians, which mostly disappeared in the later seasons.
Hey, colonel Checkov, say "nuclear wessels"
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I really missed him and the Russian's as characters in general.
9/11 changed who we thought the enemy was, the attacks happened at the start of season 5. Show producers didn't acknowledge the attack or the war until Major John Sheppard showed up and said he was a pilot in Afghanistan, that is the only mention of the post 9/11 world, and by then the Russian cold war "threat" was written out. Interestingly though, they wrote in China and included them into the IOC to create "NEW" antagonist (this also reflects the real life international cooperation to fight global terrorism).
john maziasz the USA is a large military/economic giant, maybe they didn’t wanna spend too much so they left the USA to do it
Watching this video makes me sad - we may never see this fleet developed any further.
Scipio_Hibernicvs I always thought these ships and the 302s would help in creating a bad as video game. Even something like star trek online. I hope mgm brings back reboots stargate.
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There are too few ships for an online game. An RTS would be cool, though. Or a F-302 section in a shooter.
@@jfangm Nice. I just want to be able to fly the deadulus and take out some death gliders with the 302s in a dog fight. One can only dream though!
It wasn't even that well developed. If it had been, the Navy would have been given command of the fleet, and not the Air Force, as the average sailor has more skills that would be applicable to large spacecraft than any airman in the service. Plus it could have set up some interesting inter-service rivalry, with Air Force teams keeping score with Navy crews.
The Daedalus class. Thanks to the Asgard, and other technology, it's likely one of the most capable ships in the Universe.
Probably one of the most capable ships ever to be produce, that we know of. The Asurans used ancient Tech and built warships like them. The Asgard Beam weapons cut through them all with relative ease, while the Asgard shields can take a hit or two. Their greatest limiting factor was the underwhelming Naquadria Reactors. If humanity ever gets to the point of making something on the level of a ZPM, the DSC will be a power house warship.
The only ship in cannon that can stand off against it was the super hive.
@@Spinikar Atlantis or a ZPM powered Aurora Class Battleship could also stand off against a BC-304. The Ancient Drones are the only weapon in the know universe which is stronger than the Asgard Laser Beam and Lantian/Asuran Energy Shields are the second strongest in the universe, only beaten by Detiny's ultra-advanced shield technology.
@@CaptainChrom considering destiny was built 50million or so years before Atlantis, I would say atlantis is probably stronger
@@smoothie9931 it isn't. The Shields of Atlantis and the Aurora Class Battleships have been designed for Combat and use with just 1 (or in case of Atlantis 3) ZPMs. The Destiny has been designed to withstand the extreme gravitational effects, magnetic radiation and heat inside stars and can also protect the ship from the relativistic effects of flying faster than light. There is no other ship in the whole universe which can do that (besides the seed ships obviously). The Destiny could withstand over 40 minutes of constant fire from dozens of advanced drones before the shields collapsed. Regular spaceships like an Aurora or Deadalus Class can only survive for a few minutes even if powered by a ZPM. The Destiny simply has way more power if fully charged and I guess that it's shield emitters are also better than Destiny's. And let's not forget that it's equipped with an super advanced AI which can deal with any kind of enemy. The only thing which is a little underwhelming are the weapons. They are still very strong, but they are not on the level of the drones which have been developed later.
But apart from that it is the pinnacle of Ancient Technology. Their flagship. The best they ever built.
@@CaptainChrom mmm, while I understand your point... imma still have to agree to disagree. Atlantis with full zpm power was said to be unstoppable. Maybe if destiny has zmps, I would agree though
Korolev was not lost with all hands, Daniel Jackson survived by using the rings to transfer to the Ori ship, and the captain of the Odyssey stated that a handful beamed over to that ship.
Cam Mitchell was on it too. He escaped thru an F302
We need a series chronically the adventures of Lt. Colonel Carter and the USS Hammond.
YES! more ship action.
Cololel!!
She was a Colonel by the time she got the Hammond. She was a "Full bird" as noted by Sheppard by the time she took command of Atlantis for a year.
No!
You mean colonel
At the rate they were going they'd have about 2 dozen in service by now.
They're no doubt expensive as hell to build and maintain.
GoAwayGoogle and big too at about 650M in length. Confirmed by the way.
Jon Harper on average it took about a year (ish) to produce a new ship so at this point they should have about 15-16 ships (bar any that’s got destroyed off screen)
Yeah but considering all the non-US ships couldnt last longer than one mission close to half of those would have been lost. So maybe 14 at best.
I think acceleration is in deal here. However, one thing that wasn't really realistic to the content and lore was the fact that once they got their hands on the Asgard tech, they could mass produce those far faster than before. WE know they can because Samantha was able to do practically anything with a limited supply of energy in the time episode.
They could probably assemble one with resources taken from all the junkyards on Earth and by beaming deposits directly from the ground to factory ships within months. IRL, that would happen, and it's an annoying thing that happens in a lot of shows. There's this one dimension of flat depth that content creators just can't seem to get over.
one point...Carter is a full Colonel when she commands the Hammond (she gets the promotion before commanding Atlantis)
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How about doing a video on some or all of the City-ships built by the Ancients, as we get two of them in the serier and the two more in the books?
Also, you could make a video on some unused, still possible plots, like the Tria left in the void as Helia and her people came on a smaller ship, though for this one you'd have to have several such plots to discuss.
I would like to see a future video disscussing the insight n review of the F302 fighter interceptor aircraft..... The tactial implications of this fighter are quite possiably one of the most underrated in all of sci fi in general...
Only an edit to this one as Samantha carter was a full bird colonel as of half way through season 5 of atlantis
Dude, it's day-dalus not Dead-alus seriously, I know america has an education system and at least a passing understanding of the classics.
And it's Min-otaur, (as in "Bull" ) not Mine-a-tar.
CORRECTION: Carter is a full-bird Colonel by the time she takes command of Atlantis (SGA 4x03). Thanks to everyone for pointing this out.
I was obsessed with all things stargate, but for some reason I always thought there were only 2 of the newer ships ...
We only ever saw 2 at a time at most. _Daedalus_ and _Apollo_ were effectively attached to the Atlantis expedition while _Odyssey_ tended to things back home. _Korolev_ was destroyed before _Sun Tzu_ and _Hammond_ launched.
The Earth's space ships weren't necessarily battle cruisers, despite what a lot of sci-fi would have you believe, battlecruiser is not a generic term for warship. Battlecruiser is a term used to refer to a specific class of ship and one that was not necessarily all that powerful. What a battlecruiser refers to is a ship that's roughly cruiser sized (maybe a little larger) with cruiser level armor but armed with battleship caliber guns. The idea was that they could take on other cruisers (and lighter ships) with no problem because they'd outgun them, but because they only had cruiser level armor it meant that they were still pretty fast so they would run away from anything larger than it, like a battleship. At any rate, this design philosophy didn't really work out and by WW II, or after the war, most countries stopped building battlecruisers with the Russians/Soviets being the notable exception with their Kirov class battlecruisers.
In regards to the Sun Tzu, there's no way her crew would have left it just sitting adrift. They would have scuttled her in order to prevent her from being captured and dissected by hostile forces. The Ori would probably just it for target practice since there's probably nothing aboard her that would be remotely useful to them but the Wraith and the Lucian Alliance on the other hand, a human starship would be of great interest to them, esp. the Lucians. Since neither the Lucians nor the Wraith posess beaming tech, that alone would make the Sun Tzu very appealing to them if they happened to see it abandoned and adrift.
That's a great point. It is worth considering, however, that neither the Wraith (other than the ship currently being chased to Earth when the Sun Tzu went down) or the Lucian Alliance have the engine technology to reach the Sun Tzu in the gap between universes. It would be a calculated risk to leave and come back for it.
Of greater value would be the Ancient ship they found with disabled hyperdrive whose occupants they rescued and returned to Atlantis. They also could've booby trapped the vessel against the approach of unauthorized vessels and they could remove or destroy critical components and wipe databases. Basically, they had no known opponents who could reach intergalactic space and would find the technology useful and considering how large space is, if the location is not known, the probability of the spaceship's discovery is less than the probability of breaking our most intensive security encryption codes.
Wraith do possess beaming tech
@@GateWorldDotNet "It is worth considering, however, that neither the Wraith or the Lucian Alliance have the engine technology to reach the Sun Tzu in the gap between universes"
Galaxies not universes, there is a slight diferance there.
I agree considering at the time Earth did not know of anyone else with intergalactic hyperdrive technoligy and as intergalactic space is so vast scuttling a ship they could likely salvage and repair later when the odds of someone else locating much less reaching it were at least trillions to one against, would have made little sense.
Madlax Lednera "Wraith do possess beaming tech"
Unless you know something I do not, sort of but not realy, Wraith have the culling beam which stores targets on a dart for later remateralisation, still requires the ship to transport you, not quite the same thing as something that can near instantly transport you from a planets surface to a ship in orbit or vice versa
One minor issue:
The ships Prometheus and Daedalus are not USS, but USAF, as they were Air Force craft. Their patches and plaques reflect this. Later: Odyssey, Apollo, and George Hammond were titled USS, as the expense to construct the ships meant the funding and personnel had to diverted to their function, and a more mixed label was provided. However, the original two never updated, as they could be relied upon exclusively by the Air Force.
In other news: each Daedalus class was so massive that no two were the same. In fact, only two of them rolled off the line on schedule, and could be considered the same model: the Apollo and the Hammond.
The Daedalus was rushed into service to aid in the Atlantis defense, and received custom finishing by the crew en route and following the battle, which were potentially passed on to the later models. The Daedalus was specifically part of the Pegasus fleet, and specialized for long-term activity away from a home base.
The Odyssey and Korolev were both pushed into early service to fight the Ori, with the Odyssey receiving an early refit to run more permanently with a zero point module, and then the fullness of the Asgard upgrades, many of which were likely not kept on other ships to prevent their potential loss or theft in battle. The Odyssey served as the flagship of the Tau’ri fleet while it was active, operating frontline actions and secret operations that could not be revealed to the larger SGC until after their completion.
The Apollo was designed to participate in the Pegasus Fleet, specifically as the Special Operations ship to extra-galactic areas. It carried a bomb bay and more advanced sensors unique to the Apollo, specifically to allow for long range recon and first strikes with nuclear ordinance.
The George Hammond was the first and only ship to fall into the general fleet. Due to expenses, no other Tau’ri ships were made (as of this point in time) and so the last of the class was intended to hold an all-around position, as specialization would no longer be viable in a non-war state with no ability to produce new craft.
There are rumors of two additional ship classes: the Eos and the Austerlitz-class Battleship.
As the former has no USS or USAF prefix, we can assume Eos is a prototype like Daedalus and Prometheus, and exclusively Air Force. It is presumable a 305 or 306, but we have no confirmation.
The Austerlitz was evidently to be built and fielded by the European Union, constructed by a French space agency. No known models were ever produced.
In follow up books Sun Tzu was indeed recovered.
kinda an odd name for a ship considering sun tzu was lord Yu's prime.. kinda like naming a ship after Hitler's best soldier/general lol.
@@Zephyr01 Well not to many people would bat an eye naming something after Erwin Romel :D
I think it should've been noted that the first hyperdrive of the Prometheus was the unpredictable naquadriah based hyperdrive which was only stable with a stabilizing buffer which could be burned out by accidental navigation through a nova in hyperspace thereby stranding the vessel, this drive was then replaced with a Goa'uld cargo ship hyperdrive allowing short jumps between cooling periods to avoid overheating, finally it was upgraded to an Asgard hyperdrive capable of crossing between galaxies. To be honest, I think they abandoned the Naquadriah drive too early as they simply needed to bring a couple of spare buffers with them plus without the buffer, it was compact enough for the fighters and was used in one instance for a fighter to jump through Anubis's enhanced shields, theoretically though unpredictable, it would've allowed shield penetrating hyperspace multiple warhead missiles that used the drive briefly, granted more of a depth charge barrage but it would've been effective against the often more superior ships of the Ori and Wraith. I also think they should've had x-ray/gamma wave laser missiles as that was proposed during the 1980's Reagan era star wars program. These would've been missiles with fusion bombs within which would be multiple copper resonator rods. These missiles would fly outwards away from the ship to a safe distance where targeting computers would aim the various resonator rods and the fusion bombs would explode causing each rod to resonate an x-ray to gamma wave laser towards it's target. Of course each resonator would actually fire two beams in opposing directions so the missiles would likely be fired at a right angle to the target to avoid hitting it's host ship or between two opponents to fire on both. The ability to target multiple targets would've been effective against multiple enemies. They also should've had kinetic kill vehicles (also a current proposed weapon) which are essentially guided missiles with six reaction control thruster one on each face of a cube to allow maximum maneuverability in space, these would've appeared as pulsing blinking lights as they went to their targets. But of course they opted for sci fi trope ray gun like energy weapons with only missiles and rail guns as homages to Earth technology. They really abused rail guns as point defense weapons when in fact they would be long range artillery, the TV show Expanse more correctly showed rail guns as long range kinetic weapons and conventional guns as point defense weapons.
Carter became a Lieutenant Colonel at the start of season 8 and took control of SG-1 when O’Neill became Brigadier General and took command of the SGC. She became a Colonel after the defeat of the Ori, but before she took command of Atlantis for season 4 and then the Hammond, which showed up as the Phoenix in the season 4 finale The Last Man in flashbacks of how everyone but McKay died.
I'm surprised the folks at Gateworld didn't catch this.
I miss stargate so much.
Carter was promoted to Full Colonel before taking command of Atlantis and then the Hammond as most of the ships captains are usually full colonel in order to command a ship
The phoenix/hammond never took part in the defense against the super hive, did it? 🤔 It Was only mentioned that carter would take command next
It didn't, it was still under construction... sam was in charge of earth defense at the SGC
I LOVE STARGATE. THX for video.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Odyssey's massive Asgard computer core upgrades, it's ZPM or it's cloaking tech. Which made it the most advanced vessel likely within multiple galaxies.
Me too, especially after they got and had access to knowledge of the Asgard and Atlantis technology.
My disappointment was when during Atlantis expedition they meet replicators and didn't got the chance to go full with all the ZPM's they could get after they eliminated the replicators.
Im glad the uss George Hammond is still with us
The best is the lore that compromises everything they did. You find stuff, you explore what stuff can do, you get alien tech, you reverse engineer, you make your own!
THE LORE IS SO AMAZING!
The Hammond had no asgard weapons ready... it was still strange that a Hatak could get even close to damaging that thing...
The writers said not wrote but said the Hataks had upgraded their shields, however since this wasn't shown on screen or in the books/comics its not cannon by any stretch or by anyone's standards. Should the Franchise be renewed then hopefully we'll see the 304's with APB's utterly pulverize hataks.
This might have been a conscious decision. By the end of SG-1 S10, Earth had become a galactic player with immense firepower, so any previous enemy is no longer a match. Pulverising Ha'tak is amazing the first couple times, but it serves no dramatic purpose. New enemies would have to be even stronger than the Wraith, Ori and Goa'uld, and this power creep will become rather cheesy.
Perhaps the lack of Asgard weapons is a financial decision? They're "too expensive", so that previous ships with them have a chance to shine, and suspense is kept alive.
I always assumed the initial attack managed to disable the Asgard weapons before they could be used. It was a surprise attack, shields down and the Lucian alliance had demonstrated they had compromised earth intelligence which could include weakness in ship design. We saw in the alternative timeline where the same ship just with a different name how the Asgard weapon were taken out quite quickly in an ambush scenario forcing the switch to missiles and rail guns. These would have little effect against shielded targets unlike reinforced hulls of wrath vessels especially ones in which by this point used Anubis enhanced shields.
Well a surprise attack works for me... But it is still kinda awkward to see them lose against three Hataks after the Odyssey took on like THREE Ori vessels while fighting solely on the defensive...
RedBaron, yes but at that point the Odyssey had the Zero point module giving it much more power to utilise for shields, while the Asgard core can generate significant power it is nothing compared to the output of a ZPM. Also if you consider it was a surprise attack there is no telling if any Shield emitters or power conducts were also damaged weakening defensive capabilities.
would be awwesome if they would bring the Stargate show back to TV
Earth needs a smaller more easily constructed warship Battle cruisers are great but they are rather large investments and take a lot of time to build how about a few dozen frigates to round out the fleet
They weren't even battlecruisers. They were cruiser-carrier hybrids like the Soviets developed. I hate that actual naval classifications are just tacked on to sound cool, without any consideration of their meaning.
So in essence, they were battlestars.
TEE HEE
I always thought Earth needed a midrange ship between the 302 and the 304, something that could take a beating and pack a punch and didn't take years to build.
Actually those weren't tacked on for cool effect. There's a reason that the Tau'ri went with that style and it's mainly because they had to copy the Goa'uld. Don't forget, on a piece paper, and with stripping the special qualities, Earth's warships and the pyramids are basically the same.
One seat of power, one core, one shield, engines, and a lot of space superiority fighters.
EVEN after the snakes got pursed, they still had to carry that platform because the other baddies simply stole the pyramids for their own. A shitty deal, really, but there's a reason for it.
With so much tech in their hands (Asgard beaming, subspace travel, shielding etc) I'm surprised that Earth hasn't made an enormous fleet of ships by now. Between the Ori and the Wraith, they need all the defense they can muster. Now if the Ancients can finally communicate how they make a ZPM and that handy body shield that McKay and others used on SGA, Earth would be likely invincible:+) God bless~
Takes time to mine all that Naqueda and Trinium for the hull. Have to remember 1 season = 1 year. A Ford class aircraft carrier schedules 5 years to make one, and that is with parts and resources readily available not needing to be done in secret through compartmentalized blind contracting of specific parts. The fact that we have made 7 in the time frame given for the series is nothing short of unbelievable.
The Korolev launched a year early and we saw the result of that.
One BC304 was usually build for less than 1 year. Always wondered, why Earth builds ONLY the biggest warships, when most of its missions are support of sg facilities, scouting, support and transport of small groups including sg teams, diplomats and bussiness envoys etc. Majority of said missions could cover smaller, more cheaply and quickly build gunboat, wich could be designed and build with quick and easy modularity on mind - to equip it properly for each different mission. Some frigate (similar to al kesh bomber of goaulds) or even human-designed longer (and therefore bigger) puddlejumper torpedo/gun boat would be pretty nice, could be used as bargaining chips (or as a kind of payment, especially stripped of military technology and sold to the spacefaring civilisations - like travelers, who need the ships mostly as hulls for living and were able to pimp their ships out, if needed).
This was 'Awesome". 👍👏👍👏👍👏, Like watching these very informative videos of series past. I've forgotten of most ships in series, just to imagine as ones personal yacht with more amenities of the yachts we have from 2019 an past.
I'm surprised that no captured vessels were ever implemented into our fleet. We had ha'tak once, but even though our ships since then became significantly stronger, it wouldn't hurt to have second line of defence consisting of captured ha'tak, alkesh, and other more widespread ships. Hell, it wouldn't hurt to create a class of ships that would be more or less on the level of alkesh or ha'tak, but easier/quicker to produce. Some tasks just require numbers.
I suspect nobody felt like training people in the operations of alien ships. Remember, all the software still runs on Hieroglyphs and spooky quasi-mental interfaces.
"But SG-1 could pilot these no problem", you might say.
Well.
1) Only somewhat (for critical missions they still used their Jaffa
liaisons)
2) SG teams run on the best and brightest, often recruited by people with more gut instinct is than skill (Dr. Jackson being a big example) at hiring. Dr. Lee, Dr. Kavanagh and Lt. Ford likely represent the "average" of what SGC can obtain on a normal day and all three were _leagues_ behind the core groups to the point where by the time of Universe the program had effectively run out of sufficiently candidates gifted, hence why they had to cast their net as wide as they did in order to find someone on the level of Eli
It's more trouble than it's worth because to run alien ships you'd effectively require crews of 1 in 50 million-tier geniuses OR keep possibly hundreds of Jaffa on retainer which the IoA would whinge and whine so hard about it'd simply never go through.
@@unintentionallydramatic If they're hard to fly, then all it takes is literally to get jaffa or tokra to help our engineers with creating suitable interface to handle the ship more easily (if we're able to reverse engineer goauld fighter, it shouldn't be a problem to do the same with ha'tak, sure it would take longer but with help from some of the more knowledgeable allies like tokra, it should be possible and realistically achievable). Other than that, my question was also meant in a way of: why not keep those ships and store them somewhere (second line of defence)? They're useful if we suffer some losses (considering the number of BC304s we have, even loss of one of them makes substantial dent in our defensive and offensive capabilities), they could just be stored in miliatry storages just in case, hell, even if we couldn't control them at all, we could strip them of useful materials (you could always strip away just basic systems like weapons, control crystals, shield generators, hyperdrive, or transport rings, not to mention that just getting naquadah from them would still be profitable af).
I think the SGC should have looked at redesigning the Prometheus class with the lessons learned from the prototype (and new technologies acquired since), and be used as sort of destroyers. This would free up the more capable Daedalus class ships to be used in more urgent or dangerous situations.
Since in this universe Russia and China are on much friendlier terms with the US, they could build these ships under the SGC.
Great Video!!
Always thought the Daedalus class looked a lot like the Galactica without the huge snakehead forward section but didn't hate it, just noticed the similarity.
I always felt a little bad for Earths ships. Everytime they were thrust so quickly into stacked odds Lol . And RIP to the Korolev 😭 Barely had any lightyears on it
Actually first space ship 304 class was the Odyssey then Corolev then Deadalus then Appolo then USS Sun Tzu and George Hammond.
Keep in mind that in the original Star Trek series, Star Fleet only had 14 starships. The presumption of having hundreds is rather modern and only first shown in DS9 and Discovery.
I'm surprised they didn't just make a cargo version when they started resupplying Atlantis, simply turn the docking hangars to storage, leave out some of the weapons and increase the number of Naquadria reactors to power the hyper drive and cloaking. Or just a simple hull that's quickly built. To be honest, I would've expect them to use submarine hulls, cargo ship hulls and drilling rigs so that most of the construction could be hidden in plain site.
That's a good thought. I think in this early era of Earth's space travel they were rather severely limited not just by construction capacity (the number of BC-304s they pumped out by Season 9 was pretty astonishing) but especially by the availability of trinium. This was a plot point in Season 7's "Enemy Mine" -- they needed the mineral for the 304 construction project.
If trinium continued to be in limited supply, and if they didn't have another way to make a hull that could withstand hyperspace flight, then Earth might have opted to stick with battle cruisers and not spend this resource on vessels that couldn't be summoned to defend Earth in a pinch.
Wish the British would have also had their own battlecruiser. Probably would have the coolest name, too.
And France!
By God those are sleek beautiful ships. The Tau'ri can build'm good.
Stargate is still has a lot of potential to have another great series. I hope netflix can create a new stargate show.
Hmmm i havent watched the video yet, but I think i recall the 7 ships as:
Prometheus, Daedalus, Odyssey, Korolev, Apollo, Suntsu, and Hammond(Phoenix).
Lets see if I recalled correctly.
I had one misspelling but got it right
This series needs a good written continuation.
I just have to point out that Carter was promoted to full Colonel right before Season 4 of Stargate Atlantis, so she wasn’t a LT Colonel when she took command of the Hammond.
Hammond was the second the two command the SGC watch the first episode onail give a shot out the genarl of the base for the movie witch is part of the story
Great video. Thanks!
Video on salvaged and commandeered/stolen vessels they made use of?
Nice idea for a video! I'll add it to the list. 😀
Wasn't Carter (to quote Sheppard) a "full bird" Colonel? She took command of the Hammond after her stint on Atlantis and was already promoted then.
Yep! I definitely got her rank wrong here. She's a Full Bird by the time she arrived in Atlantis.
Carter was a Bird Colonel in Stargate Universe.
I really doubt they would leave Sun Tsu to drift away. How long does it take to build one cruiser? Two years? Also, it still has its database so leaving it might be a risk. Not even mentioning all the tech. Yes, getting it home seems difficult, but once you do that, you can spend as much time on repairs as you need.
Very Interesting I loved it
thanks need this for my Stargate immersion gameplay in Stellaris :) ( using mods which allow me to have either Tauri (Humans) ships from the Show or even Goauld ships as well.)
Pretty sure Carter was full bird Colonel by the time she got the Hammond she got that promotion when she went to Atlantis to take command and that was before she got the Hammond
Totally forgot about Sun Tzu. Yeah, they setup a lot of awesome stuff that wasn't to be. Also, the Hammond should have had no problem blowing up all of Ships with it's Asgard beam weapons, the fact that there was any kind of a fight that lasted longer than 5 minutes is stupid. xD
I always find the top of these ships to look so weird and flat, and the front, so nose and weird hahaha
I don't know xD
The Prometheus engines were so huge :D
“Growing” is too strong a word according to the follow-up books. The Sun Tzu is indeed still adrift, possibly deemed unrecoverable due to the damage. Earth’s politics and the economy crisis are preventing new ships from being built, not to mention the more isolationist politicians in Washington, who aren’t too keen on Earth (or, at least, the US) playing the role of the intergalactic savior anymore.
lol
so TRUMP would end the stargate proramme ?
By the time Samantha Carter took command of Atlantis, she was a "full bird" colonel in the Air Force, and as a colonel, she also commanded the Hammond. She was NOT a Lieutenant Colonel
Carter is a full Colonel in the picture and by the time of SGU.
Actually, Earth (Tauri) spacefleet is VERY poorly made. First of all, fleet consisting of one type (F302 not counting, because they are only "in-system" fighters) of spaceship is no fleet at all. Ask US, or Russian, or any navy on the world navy, if anyone of them does have "fleet" combined only from long range missile carrying aircraft carriers, or if their fleet include also ships wich are MADE to excell in any particular (different) style of combat, than the carriers - I mean, no dedicated scout ship, no dedicated stealth ship, no dedicated troop (or materiell) transport, nothing. Secondly, the speed and economics of building the ships. I mean, if they are building 304s with the speed of 1 per six or tvelve months, how fast would they make a fleet of considerably smaller interstelar reconosaince, stealth, long-range heavy bomber ships? Or some modular light long-range ship (like frigate with modulary interchangable equipment containers? Given the fact, Tauri depends still MOSTLY on SG teams, in terms of interstelar war, why no one ever did not think about a light spaceship capable to support such team for a long term missions? Or why no-one ever figured out a human-made puddle-jumper? With rockets and reilguns instead of drones, and with no ATA gene coded piloting, but big enough to house a hyperdrive, living quarters and some heavy weapons and small enough to still fit through the gate. With such (smaller) spaceships, Tauri could open a trade-negotiations with geniis (no-technology-above-rocket-drives version for them) for the Travelers (they want their ship for living space - to expand their numbers and even for it not much regarding technology needs to be undisclosed. Both have a good deal to offer - genii the intel, supply and material, the Travelers their technology to improve the human-tech. Can you imagine a bazooka-like gun on the same principle, as Ronans pistol? Or hyperdrive operating witouth crystals? Not to mention the possibilities for private market - to buy a small ship seems like no big deal, but for a private person, it could be the pinacle of their lives. And even Milky way galaxy (and Andromeda) are filled with a lot of wealthy private persons (wich could help to build more ships by paying for theirs). Not to mention, gateship is the only way how any more considerable military and industrial help could be transported to the Destiny. By gate to Destiny and than by hyperspace bubling (or hyperspace windowing) out, seemingly "through" the hull (as the f302 did thru anubisis supermothership shields). Afterwards, the Destiny crew would have their own faster than light (hyperspace) ship, wich they can direct PRECISELY unlike the Destiny can be piloted through FTL.
Earths fleet is designed to complement the gate network and as said in the video those are deep space carriers. Like the Enterprise class in Star Trek was not meant to be used as coast guard cutter. Also modular designs suck just have a look at US modular ships..
OriginalTharios well while xou are in deep space nothing really matters since you probably cant even find your enemy. I think deep space simply refers to the range. And being in deep space Id rather be on a carrier than a small goa oul bomber. but totally agree on the missile stuff and limited use of the fighters. But again fighters follow the rule of cool
To your comment nr 1
First, we are both talking about completely different things. I am commenting an SG-verse flotilla IN SGVERSE. You are talking SG-verse flotilla in OUR UNIVERSE.
Manuevering thrusters answers the manueverability, range is unlimited {unlike in atmosfere and gravity, where the projectile is slowed down}.
Submarines, LHDs, science and spy-ships, coastal and riverine patrol boats, zodiacs {rubber boats for transport between ships} and other {myriad} of other ship tipes and ROLES does not exists?
Instant "shooting down of missiles and fighters" is BS. Both are shot down by missiles today, wich do not cover entirety of globe for instant kill.
The super scaut technology of orbital spying is working because of extensive belt of spy satelites. Wich had to GET there somehow, and if you WANT to deploy a surveilance net on any planet, it is better to do it from a less spotable craft, than from friking few hudret meters battlecruiser. Especially for the reason, you might nead that battlecruiser to be in defensive position somewhere else, or be in a fight somewhere else. If compared to the WW2 terms - it is better to have a PT boat to spy on enemy or to transport a general out of the danger, than a cruiser. Not that cruiser is more easily spoted, but you will loose a different amount of materials and number of personel, if mission goes wrong. If it goes OK, it does not matter, if you have there a small capable boat, instead of kill machine. Also, the tokra would be pretty stupid, to have "spy ships" next to their alien tech {do not forget, that alien scanners are fighting alien ways of evading being scanned}.
"Stealth in space is impossible"is not entirely true. the whole sentence is "stealth in space IN OUR UNIVERSE is not possible by means known to us yet" AGAIN, i was talking about stargate universe, where almost every major faction does have some version of clocking devices for persons, and for ships. The propulsion is different too {How "hot" is gravity drive or hyperspace drive?}
You are not really a fan of reality facts on cold war, are you? "Stealth planes"all over Soviet union for spying for whole DAYS - not too long before.
Regarding dedicated troop transport - again, see goauld troop transport ship, its wraith equivalent or a way the asgards of Pegasus attacked the Atlantis. If you sneak behind enemy lines and deploy a comando - like small squad {like SG-team}, you can use them for painting the defence of the planet {and around the gate}, taking them out with their {or the ships} bombardment firepower and they can immediatley grab and hold the gate. Would especially help, if you interupt the large contingent transport {or a VIP transport} by the gate by deployable "shield"version of IRIS.
Comment number 2
Sg-werse/real unvierse, SG phyisics/real physics. NEVER CAN AGREE, when we both are in different areas.
The rule of cool is simple writer trope, not a way people WANTs it. BTW it is said, the "wings" of tie fighters and X-wings do have cooling ability inbuild and there is quite fancy and nice version of how that works in Mass effect (on the first Normandy). Regarding expanse, i belive it may be some kind of radiator on the surface of the ship, wich is covered by armour (with some smaller cracs) and supplemented by use of cryogenic coolant(s).
i still think if there ever had been another season it would have been a good chance to introduce a bigger class of ship for earth, some sort of battle carrier in the same type of designs they had been doing but kind of the idea of carrying a lot more F302's which i could see an upgrade to them taken from idea from the Ori being shields for the fighters. Im thinking somewhere up towards the current amount the US has on one of its carriers. The other cool thing would have been incorporating more Asgard tech into the ship which would allow for more power for the ship thus everything else ya could think of could follow. faster, more personal, more weapons and faster firing of. anywho just a dream at this stage i guess.
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Carter was a full Cornell when was in command of the Hammond.
I hope they reboot star-gate series
I'd actually like a picking up of Discovery. However, it would need to have a one time event in the first episode that would trade out several characters for some new better ones. Chloe was useless and annoying minus a couple of episodes (you know which ones), Rush was good but getting him back might be difficult and the other military leaders were just boring and lacking any kind of compelling qualities whatsoever.
Alternatively, another show picking up after the end of SGA were scientist understand how to slowly make ZPM's (by studying Atlantis' computer's) and then building ships to go way out into the galaxy with all of Earth's tech and catch up with Destiny and also in other directions would be interesting. Destiny's purpose was looking really interesting.
ooof was the frame rate that bad in the original show or did you just use bad clips
Well, as much as I love the series I highly dislike the approach of the knowledge they had obtained, first they got entire database of Asgard, after they got access to Atlantis city and its database but most ridiculous was when SG-1 around 3ed season found Ancient knowledge database and in somehow they forgot about that, they didn't take the opportunity to go further in the future.
Speaking of last iteration of space ship mentioned in the video it couldn't keep up with enemy when the ship was equipped with the best weapons in the series!
SG-1 made spaceships in 6 years, from noobs to masters. Meanwhile we are still waiting for The Elder Scrolls 6 for more than 12 years
Deadelus and Prometheus are the names of the two ships that makes up the arms of the SDF1 robotech spaceship what's the deal?
Sorry to say this but Sam was a Lt. Colonel well before becoming the C.O of the General Hammond.
After how Stargate: Origins was produced and Universe got put in the trash don't get your hopes up for anything else good coming from the Stargate Series
> Universe got put in the trash
SGU was good. There wasnt any chance to survive during MGMs bankruptcy.
Hammond was the second SGC Commander, not the first. The one from the movie was different.
West was never in charge of the organization designated "Stargate Command," which was not formed until the end of "Children of the Gods."
Love their battle cruisers, their look, their interiors. But it seems to me the bridge stations don't all have established functions. They seem interchangeable, they can do whatever the script calls for. And the two duty stations in the front were later omitted entirely on the Daedalus-class. What, were they not necessary? They looked so cool. What I hated about Star Trek bridges was the longer the show went, the less duty stations were needed to the point where only the main characters really needed to bother to show up for a bridge scene. I know why, they wanted to reduce the need for extras.
Unfortunately, Hammond is not the first to command the Stargate, General West is the first during their first mission to Abydoss. And Carter was not lieutenant colonel but full bird colonel at the time she commanded the Hammond
I addressed the Carter rank error in another comment -- mea culpa! But West was never in charge of the organization designated "Stargate Command," which was not formed until the end of "Children of the Gods."
MGM messed up so bad when they cancelled SGA. Who cancels a franchise when its at the height of its popularity, especially after just ending the original series?! Guess Earth is protected by Atlantis now and forget about the Wraith and humans left in Pegasus
2:45 Its Roger the Coger!!!
Carter was a full bird Colonel
Its always been funny to me that they ripped the ship design off.
I had toys of them as a kid. Its just some off brand cheap-o but I had them.
The Apollo was a great ship but had a terrible captain! This is a lesson of what affirmative action can cost you!
A little part of me dies every time they say "Deadalus." The name "Daedalus" starts with the syllable "day."
I KNOW RIGHT????
it amused me that the hammond didnt take a handful of minutes to finish the lucian alliance given at this point in time they had the plasma beam weapons of the asgard. if a few shots could destroy ori mother ships then the single well aimed shots could destroy ageing hatak class goauld ships
Having the Russians as allies with their own ship was probably the closest I'll ever come to seeing anything even close to the Rama or Eon Books becoming movies.
They should have named one "Indeed".
I never liked how the earthships were on par with goauld ones in battle. Or how humans did outstrategize a race of millennia old always-on-war aliens with the experiences of a thousand men.
They should have built the Daedalus class ships 10x's larger which could have given them the ability to generate much more power for various systems like Goa'uld weapons instead of rail guns and stronger shields ... They wouldn't have needed a ZPM ...they would also been able to carry a lot more F-302's ...they could have carried a lot more nukes...you know the Chinese when they got the Sun Tzu the made a copy of all the part and started making counterfeit knock-offs
PS that ship sitting in front of the Ori space stargate sure looks like the Prometheus...wasn't it been destroyed before then ?
I was rather sad to see Chekov killed. He had always been such an interesting character. Sometimes helpful, sometimes a bit biligerent and always looking out for mother Russia.
It was unexpected af
He was always trying to make sure his Nation was on equal footing, but when push came to shove he was willing to lay his life on the line to defend earth and her allies. A damn good character.
The loyalty to the motherland will inevitably have to grow to encompass all of Earth herself. Chekhov died a hero to the Rodina, all of it.
During the battle at the Ori Supergate, at least a dozen or so crew including Dr. Jackson made it off the Korolev right before it was destroyed, and according to known sources, Colonel Chekov's fate is unknown. So there is at least a small likelihood that he survived as well.
Not coming back
Best thing about the Fleet was ....
Col. O'Neill: The name I suggested.
Maj. Carter: For the ship?
Col. O'Neill: Yeah.
Maj. Carter: Yeah, sir, we can't call it the Enterprise.
Col. O'Neill: Why not?!
Maj. Carter: The project codename is Prometheus. What's wrong with that?
Col. O'Neill: It's a Greek tragedy. Who wants that?
Lmao! One of Jack's best lines EVER!
AND HE WAS RIGHT, THE CRAZY BASTARD
Hahaha
@@BirdRaiserE yes. Also there was the flight test where he was asking for phasers. another great line.
@@aaronhouston3116 Well they eventually got phasers. (even if they call them asgard beam weapons.)
I love how Daedalus was basically designed to be “Overclocked” by just slapping in a ZPM
Strap a zed-pm on it, then win. That's how this works, right?
@@allmybasketsinoneegg it's ZPM.
Zed is how some Canadians and British pronounce the letter Z.
@@Lordturisas1 Given the standard english is closer to the British it would be the correct pronounciation though. (after all American english is just derivate of the British one - the original one) Also other nationalities (European) pronounce it zet/d aswell. For example Dr. Zelenka the czech guy in atlantis does too.
@@martinbudinsky8912 It's pronounced zed, but not spelled that way.
Z = zed/zee.
@@Lordturisas1 Did you not watch the show? They said "Zed-PM" plenty of times... probably because it's a Canadian based show.
I would kill to get another Stargate series. Preferably one that took place a year or so after the Stargate program became public knowledge and Earth began colonizing uninhabited worlds and trading with its allies on a commercial scale. With more war ships and new aliens to be encountered in unexplored areas of the Milky Way and beyond.
Look up Contact at Kobol by wilkens75 on fanfiction you'll be glad you did.
I would be glad for more series. But: what else is there to explore? Humans in SG went from pretty much former slaves with primitive technology and luck, to hunters of goaulds, saviours of jaffas, hunters of wraiths, killers of replicators, killers of ori, saviours of two galaxies, successors of asgards and efectivelly became leaders of the universe.
So star trek?
It will inevitably get a reboot within 10 years time. No one has decent original ideas anymore and many kids or adults never saw the original series or have grown up after it ended. Seeing as there are many terrible shows being given a reboot it seems logical to reboot a very successful series but perhaps with twist.
We saw them play with timelines so the reboot could be a slightly alternate timeline, reality or parallel universe. It would be easy to set it that the gate wasn't discovered until the present day or the military didn't ge a hold of it till the present time of the new show. They could make it a bit of a darker show as they seem to be the current flavor of show, more realistic and gritty.
Would you watch a reboot?
I read that. And I loved every single chapter
USS Hammond of Texas
Dude i miss Hammond of Texas
@@henningheinz5916 Same for me. And i miss Teal'C surprised face after listening to O'Neill.
I am not an acting expert, so i can't say Richard Dean Anderson was a great actor or else but... he McGyverized a character like the Stargate movie O'Neill, and he made it in a credible way...
Sure it was far from being a perfect show, but damn, i miss the first seasons of SG-1
That little thing between Master Bra'tac when he taps his head. THAT, those little things, they made the series beyond great. Real, tangible. Modern TV shows can't even begin to grasp such concepts. Rest in peace you cuddly old general and your warm actor too, Don S. Davis. Man, and just recently Carmen Argenziano died too. We're getting old.
RIP Don S. Davis. :(
👍🇫🇷🇧🇷
this is what I love the most about stargate. They started from the bottom, learned things here and there and picked up on new tech. you see them slowly progressing towards "star trek" level ships and making mistakes along the way. Started with nothing but a shuttle, now we have a fleet!
In some ways the BC-304 surpasses Star Trek, particularly in regards to FTL speeds. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Stargate has the fastest finite speed FTL methods in science fiction.
I love this show , I had a dream once I was interstellar being a million times more powerful than a descended being and was free to do whatever I wanted, and was hundreds of millions years old , and I came across earth and helped the stargate program flourish through everything you see in the TV series I helped them require "free" gau'ld ships and Ori ships and the Atlantis team get Atlantis running again and got rid of replicators that the ancients made and gave replicator planet and technology resources to them and their entire fleet too , so with the all the gau'ld and Ori ships in milky way galaxy under Earth's command and Atlantis and replicator planet and fleet in Pegasus galaxy in their hands earth was doing really great with my assistance and helping them build a galactic domain exploring and learning lol
The show didn't just maeterialise a ship pout of nowhere, viwers saw the individual components beinf researched step by step. Power source, alloys, weapons, drives, propulsion, everything came before the ship itself
Meanwhile we cannot get Elder Scrolls 6 even after 12 years
Absolutely agree, but I would have loved to see a point where we reached a level where we could operate dozens of Daedalus-class battle cruisers.
My personal favourite ship in SG-1 Was the O'neil.
Yup xD
Would have been nice to see more of the Asgard ships if they weren't destroyed by Replicators
What's wrong with the name I picked ?
Sir were not calling it the enterprise.
@@Knowbody42 Earth does now have the designs for all of those ships so it is possible someone could build one like they would a classic car maybe carter lol
It was like a Berkut design SU-47
Stargate with a Discovery budget would be amazing on netflix
that would be crazy cool
You'd think MGM would just sell the rights to stargate to Netflix or Amazon etc. They've no interest in continuing the series and haven't been doing much financially for a decade now. I see stargate sitting in storage another decade if they get their way.
At least if sold, then the actors from SG1, Atlantis etc are all young enough to return in some capacity still and not be jarring.
Also a new show following a new SG1 would be amazing. Imagine how well a show with a new SG1 made up of people from various nations on earth would do. A new refurbished SGC with a modern look and more regular contact between Atlantis and Earth.
A new enemy like say the ancients themselves or better yet BRING BACK THE GOULD. there are many ways they can return.
I could see a reboot do so well. Could even have Carter running the SGC with Daniel or someone else like Vala still around in some capacity. Tealc making the odd cameo as a leader of the Jaffa Empire.
Then have John Shepard running Atlantis appearing every so often.
If the show is successful it could allow us to one day even wrap Universe up.
The Goa'uld from MGM would not allow that.
@@shanehughes3511 yea and mckay (Hewlett check out his youtube channel)
@@shanehughes3511 Atlantis is on Earth.
Though they could use Atlantis has a permanent space faring city for all galaxies
O'Neil: Whats wrong with the name I picked?
Sam: Sir, were not calling it the Enterprise.
It would have been fun seeing the British get a ship and naming her HMS Enterprise and O'neil moaning about it.
Sam Carter was actually full bird Colonel by time she commanded the Atlantis team so after that was USS George Hammond.
FYI Sam Carter was a full colonel by the time she commanded Atlantis.
Came to the comments to see if anyone had already pointed that out.
O'Niell said it himself. Carter is a National Treasure".
I didn't think the Sun Zu was destroyed. I always assuemed it was badly damaged and that had we gotten a sixth season of Atlantis it would have been repaired and we would have seen it.
Didn't the Chinese have a Daedalus class ship at the battle of the supergate that got destroyed?
Korolev was the Russian vessel, the third ship of the class
It survived. The Daedalus had to evac the survivors but the ship was salvageable.
Depends on if you go with the novels or the comics. Novels say that the ship is in critical condition and they don´t know if it´s salvagable, in the comics it´s already repaired.
In which comic?
Moment of silence for Captain Penderghast? Such a brave and dedicated man.
Same for the Russians on the Korlev
Respect.
Indeed.
We forgot colonel Emerson of the odyssey, he said F you to the Lucian alliance and didn't back down until they shot him
Carter was a full bird Colonel when she took command of Atlantis which came before the Hammond. Shepherd even mention it in Lifeline when gives her a small salute congratulating her on the promotion.
That's an alternate timeline so the Atlantis may never have been commissioned in the standard timeline. Another ship which could be added was the Aurora class ship Orion. It was used by the Atlantis mission on loan from the Taranians.
She's still a full bird colonel, you can see it on her flying suit.
@@Catubrannos I think it's about built by the Tau'ri. Otherwise there'd been even more ships. Apart from the city-ship Atlantis, they also had a Ha'tak, which they've loaned to the Tok'ra.
And there's Destiny, although this one's debatable. It's inhabited and commanded by people from Earth, but they are basically an own colony, which just follows (most of) the commands/recommendations from Earth's commandeers.
I'd like to point out that Hammond was NOT the first commander of the SGC. He was the 2nd. This was mentioned in the first episode.
@@matts1166 Shouldn't that have been a comment to the video, than a reply to a comment with a different discussion-topic?^^
There's one thing about the Odyssey you forgot to mention: it's still the only of the ships that can be cloaked!
...and virtually a perfect cloak, as even the Ori ships were unable to detect it.
More importantly it houses the asgard datacore which holds all the knowledge of one of the most advanced races ever shown and is the only bc304 powered by a zero point module greatly increasing all its energy based systems.
I would say the odyssey could take on every space ship ever flown by stargate command (and sga) and come out untouched. This includes ori mothership and Aurora class ships
@@angrykid616 They did technically fly Atlantis as a ship. Somehow i doubt the oddessy could fight the city at full power.
@@compaq98sc true but the only reference we have is a battle with the zpm hive and an alternate universe where the Antarctic drones were used to fight an ori invasion.
In the former neither ship did any real damage to the hive and in the latter all the SGC could do with thousands of drones was force a single ori ship to withdraw while the odyssey easily destroyed one.
Atlantis is powerful when fully equipped with drones and ZPM's but it was never designed for battle and the only reference we really have in regards to asgard shield/weapons vs lantern shield_weapons was the battle over asura.
I would say that a single ZPM powering a warship with the latest asgard tech would be more effective than Atlantis with 3 even when it wasnt thousands of years old and falling apart.
@@angrykid616 True but lets look at a few facts we know.
Ori manage to destroy the Odyssey even with the Asgard core and ZPM. Yes the odyssey managed to destroy a few ships but we already know from the Battle of Asura that the Asgard can destroy ancient ships.
Zpm hive took 8 shots to down a non zpm BC-304 class vessel.
Ori at battle of the Gate managed to Not only take out a Asgard shielded 304 with no zpm fairly quick along with multiple other ships.
A Ori Satellite manged to quickly dispose of Prometheus granted Prometheus was weaker then a 304 class this clearly shows they had the firepower to take out Asguard shielding.
Atlantis despite a wormhole jump and being drained from earth's Atmosphere still managed to take a massive amount of shots from the Zpm hive. This shows that Atlantis can take a massive beating with its shielding far more then a normal ancient or Asgard ship.
Drone weapons ripped through Goa'uld shielding just like the ori beam weapon although it looks like it took a few more of them to destroy the ship's hulls. ( going off of battle of Anubis.)
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Assuming the Drones are even semi comparable (we know they are slightly weaker) to the beam weapon of the ORI then we can assume given the other information above that the Drones should also be able to do so. We also don't know how strong a ori beam is vs a ori shielding only that Asgard weapons fired multiple times CAN destroy a ori ship. We do know that The weapon of Antarctica did manage to drive off the ORI or destroy it ( not 100% made clear). This means it was capable of damaging the ORI just like the Asgard beam weapons can. Putting all this together and the fact that Atlantis would have far superior shields to a normal Ancient Ship it is safe to assume Atlantis would potentially beat the Odyssey even with the ZPM and Asgard Core.
What I loved about the Earth ships were that they were never really the big dog in the yard until seasons later. Also, by the time SGU started, the George Hammond could have one-shotted the Lucian Alliance ships. It was a major plot hole that was never really explained.
Yeah, the Lucian Alliance never had access to the really good Goa'uld tech, just the standard ships. Although by the later seasons they were significantly upgraded from early season standards, but they were still far outclassed by BC-304's shields and weapons, particularly after season 10.
I would imagine than even F302 would have been improved, like with small Asgard guns or so
The lucian alliance along with the free jaffa also had access to the hatak class ships that the replicates upgraded. Its suggested that using these upgrades they have somehow managed to make their shields highly resistant to beam weapons.
This isn't too farfetched considering that the main enemy of the replicates were the asgard so their shields showing a resistance to asgard weaponry would make sense
@@angrykid616 "Its suggested that ..." It's suggested where? I don't remember anything like that. From the producers of SGU it's just an unexplained plot hole..
@@kyjo72682bad choice of words. It is the only in universe explanation that makes sense.
It's either that or Carter is such a bad commander that she thought the best way to defend Icarus base was to not destroy the enemy hataks and let them fire on the planet
If there was a new series I would to see this.
How about a series where the tauri have become the asgard role with multiple fleets but a new enemy is over the horizon.
A coalition of enemies. That some gouald survived and entered into a Alliance of the wraith who by this time was given ancient tech especially zpms en mass.
As ships disappear and are captured by the gouald and given to the wraith.
The deal between the two is a division of power in the milky way and that they can have all tauri and allied territory.
Or maybe a trade deal. The Gouald could have the Pegasus galaxy and Atlantis to begin again while the wraith evacuated Pegasus for the milky way.
On top of this another power is on the rise that wants Dominion.
The renegade asgard that survived now prevented their genetic decline and can reproduce again, having seized a sister city ship like Atlantis...
The enemies of the tauri using the lessons they learnt fighting earth, but going slow and stealthy first. Learning to our tech them... A reverse so to speak...
Too fanfic-y.
I love this show , I had a dream once I was interstellar being a million times more powerful than a descended being and was free to do whatever I wanted, and was hundreds of millions years old , and I came across earth and helped the stargate program flourish through everything you see in the TV series I helped them require "free" gau'ld ships and Ori ships and the Atlantis team get Atlantis running again and got rid of replicators that the ancients made and gave replicator planet and technology resources to them and their entire fleet too , so with the all the gau'ld and Ori ships in milky way galaxy under Earth's command and Atlantis and replicator planet and fleet in Pegasus galaxy in their hands earth was doing really great with my assistance and helping them build a galactic domain exploring and learning lol
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Had I been a ancient I'd Definitely had broken the rules