@@MTGGoldfish Why you played "aether gust" during your turn , on the last game. If you saved it until next turn, and countered opponent "Ember Hauler" and get a chance to won this game.(You anyway can cast "aether gust" on opponent krenko, but if you saved "aether gust" , you get additional opportunity to countered opponents spells.)
@@williamholloway1408 mill means to take cards off the top of your opponent's library, usually to graveyard. Named after the card millstone from early in mtg. If a player needs to draw a card (such as at the beginning of their turn) and their library is empty, they lose the game.
I think you should consider countering adventure spells more than you seem to. Removing the other half of value at the same time. In particular, using negate on brazen borrower bounce would have certainly been worth it a couple of times.
Thing is: every brazen bounce wasn't game ending. His plan relies on prolonguing the game and fatiguing the opponent, so it's not worth countering stuff that does not make a real impact
@@gmz904 it's not "Counter a bounce spell", it's "Counter a bounce spell, make opponent discard a 3/1 flyer", which is not a obligatory play, but definitely is a big tempo play
Yeah, that's tough. The main plan is to just stall out and Brazen Borrower bouncing something doesn't really bother us, but a 3/1 flier can be annoying if we don't have an active Gargoyle.
@@gmz904 it wasn't just brazen though, he let murderous rider go a couple of times though, when it would have been better to counter it, especially when his opponent was building a board and countering the rider would have meant one more chump blocker, and one less creature for the opponent.
Hey Seth, been playing the Deck since eldraine came out, have about an 80 ish % winrate, the only difference is i have 2 Narset in the board, one main, paired with my new petcard; the Folio on fancies, its just straght up better than the well in the long run, with all the trump walls noone can run you over, even the apprentice block somewhat decent. Drawing 2/3 cards when holding up a counter EOT, then untapping, if nothing happens just use the second abilitie and mill for a bunch. Sincerely
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-10-19-millie/?cb=1570746942 heres my current decklist, ive also put in opts and changed other stuff around since, but still working great. sideboard is up to preference ofc. and the bond of insight... i just like it often its a lil slow but can wor. and the 8 , 3 - mana counters were to much for me, switched 2 with quench for earlier plays
It doesnt hurt to put two in the deck for sure. That's what I do and it helps me get two to four drowned secrets in the field PLUS it copies ANY artifact or enchantment on the field
Watching that Jeskai control deck with the Bonecrusher Giants made me realize that we could probably build a decent Naya Giants deck. Fun Standard Giant Tribal.
@Agent Of The Master I'd have to look at the hand again. The keep might have been correct. Depends what else he had besides overwhelmed apprentice and drowned secrets.
@Agent Of The Master Honestly that's not my experience and I play mostly limited. That being said I keep 1 land hands very rarely and they're typically hands like island, faerie seer, scour all possibilities, eyekite, firebolt etc. I've kept more 1 landers in moho than any other limited format because you actually want those card selection effects in some archetypes.
@Agent Of The Master Do you play limited? You make it sound like missing your land drops is less punishing in that format. It's not less punishing. So are you trying to say you're more likely to hit your land drops in limited? The only reason all my examples are limited is because I don't have a constructed deck with card selection. My modern deck isn't blue.
@@melissagrenier2200 50:05 for reference. It's a sketchy keep at best I think. If the scry doesn't get him a land he can't cast any more spells, and none of the other cheep cards in his hand would get him to the 3rd and 4th lands. If it was something like 2x apprentice or 1x apprentice 1x wishing well I think it's fine, but with Seth's hand even if the Apprentice scrys a land to the top for the 2nd turn there's still no guarantee that he can cast thought collapse on time to counter something scary. *edit:* also keep in mind this is a deck that is already skimping on lands, playing only 22.
We all get it, the guy keeps some questionable hands, but he does his best to keep a positive attitude and make fun content. I can't imagine how hard it would be to have people constantly shitting on your play and deck choices every single video. Just kinda bums me out that there's such a large number of people whose lives are so sad they feel they have to constantly complain about things that don't effect them in any way.
I'd love to see a modern version of this deck with Stream of Thought in the build. You'll never run out of counters if you cast SoT then bring back another SoT from the GY when you shuffle four catds back to the deck.
At 48:00 if you counterspelled his creature you could have finished the mill out on the next turn. Cspell = 3+4 = 7 cards. two merlocks = 12 each * 2 = 24. 24 + 7 = 31
he could have done it the turn before as well, would have been two off from mill, but he could have had 3 creatures on board to block with, could have also blocked the turn before, would have had 15 life instead of 10 and would have probably survived the onslaught, point being, I think he chose the only move that would have costed him the game lol.
Ever though of putting in folio in the deck over into the story? 1 less draw overall but does add to the milling and still a blue card to trigger the enchantment.
@@MTGGoldfish I mean worst case it is continuous mill and a way to have enough cards in hand for gargoyle to block. I think the counters are more for tempo purposes than anything else. They are there to hold us out to be able to deck them.
The best part about Budget Mill is that it's not budget because you're holding back on good using good cards. It's budget because all the mill stuff is just that undervalued, and so the deck ends up being pretty min/maxed XD
Back here after how good mill is right now. I'm wanting to build a Historic version of my standard mill deck that has Teferi's Tutelage and Drowned Secrets seems like a perfect curve with Tutelage.
I was bummed when the core mill set for 2019 rotated out. But I made this deck and it's very nice. It has solid control and beefy early blockers to open yourself up to mill away. I'd almost suggest getting opt in somewhere.
I feel like splashing a bit of black just for Drowned in the Loch would be a good idea. Might not be very budget after adding Fabled Passages and Shocks but, definitely worth it I think.
It depends what decks people use where you play. They will probably bring anti-control cards from out of their sideboard in game 2 or 3, so prepare for that. Sometimes people do get wrecked by mill if they are not expecting it. This deck is fairly competitive for the price, you just have to learn how to play it correctly, e.g., when to leave mana open for counterspells, what spells are worth countering, how to respond to spells/abilities on the stack, etc.
I love Mill. This is similar to my mill deck on arena but use Unsummons to bounce back my secret keepers and walls and a couple mirrormades to help get more drowned secrets out plus some opts. It's so much fun. I went 5 and 2 with it in the win every card event. It destroyed bant field of dead 4 times.
They do good. Something I get them and dont need them or cant use them which is why I only run two but it's to copy drowned secrets or anything my opponent might have out.
As far as modern mill goes, Ashiok does enough in game 1 against blind matchups that it's worth maindeck. Not sure about Standard, I think you made the correct choice putting Ashiok in the side
I like Ashiok a lot in Modern where exiling the graveyard is more important and everyone is playing fetchlands. I think it's fine in Standard too, but awkward that it shuts down some of our cards.
@@MTGGoldfish The problem in modern is he does not provide the same quality of graveyard hate as something like leyline of the void(I now they are in standard also but they are not worth running in standard).
Hello Seth, could Goldfish consider any sort of videos in a series to showcase Cycles? Last time we had the Cavalier and now (besides Castles) we have the legendary Artifacts. How about some sort of creative 5-episode against the odds (some are not so imaginative, but things like coupling Jace with Magic Mirror and Folio could be fun)
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks! The only thing that could be more fun Imo would be to have a live EDH match with everyone using those artifacts as commander replacement. Just avoid embercleave.
Where can I find that Goblin list? I built Goblins last season, & a bunch of those cards rotated out, but I think the cards I have left would allow the new Goblin list to be pretty cheap for me to build.
Hi Seth, I wonder why you never countered any adventures? When you counter the adventure, you ALSO counter the creature (it doesn't go into exile, the whole card goes to the grave.) There were several games where you let them murderous rider both halves and the loss of the creature + the threat of the rider was more than enough to justify a counter at the beginning.
I think *Run Away Together* in this build is better than you think. As long as the dude you bounce for your opponent isn't some serious upside EtB-er, it gives you some upper-tier combat tricks.
I suppose the best way to side against the insta lose that is a shifting ceratops on the battlefield, would be to put artifact creatures. Stonecoil serpent, Shambling suit or even Stone golem..
Dismissal is better, it can bounce for replay and\or save your stuff. Also leaves a blocker. Brazen only hits OP, and can only block fliers. Maybe for board, where you can transition to air beats?
I would love if you could make something like a short prospect how to upgrade the budget decks to an less-budget or non-budget one at the end of these videos
That's a good idea. For now you can find it in the article on the Goldfish site (www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-27-mono-blue-mill-standard-magic-arena), but adding a section to the end of the video is a good plan.
Yeah, it's in the non-budget build. The big issue is going blue-black (with decent mana) is pretty expensive because Watery Grave and Fable Passage both cost a lot.
Very fun video SPBKASO! I always feel bad for you when I see so many assholes in the comments like: "You're not playing the best build of this tier 7 deck, add this card that's only good in really specific spots!"
54:08 no, Seth: stop saying you were 1 land or card short. If you countered the knight, instead of letting it resolve, you'd have got lethal, thanks to the thought collapse mill. You just punted your game away, and, therefore, the match, with that risky keep as well.
I’ve been running this since the new set came out but I use frogafi and the only the blue spell the turns there stuff in to 1/1 with no abilities instead of the counter spells
Pretty confident that even with 8 1 mana scry2 that 22 lands is one few. It’s not that the apprentice failed you it’s that you overwhelmed him too much as is often the case, unfortunately. The scry should give you consistency with a regular mana base not *hopefully* pull you from terrible mana count into regular imo.
Think you could have had the goblin deck if you switched to gargoyle beats! Its a much faster clock than mill, they had no fliers to stop it, and half the time it couldn't block anyway.
Kristan Dela Cruz, great idea but when you start chump blocking and getting your creatures removed it’s hard to get the benefit of it. Better to play creatures that give you the value right away.
1:14:38....this is what true pain sounds like 😣 bruh that was a heartbreak and a half right thur. My manz fought and clawed his way to stabilize....all to end like that 😫 I feel for you man
vinniesmits Yea once he drew it that was game, there was no way to actually know what it was until he played it... it was just the top deck of the year
@@MTGGoldfish ofcourse but what was the reason not to mill? There was no downside and our strategy is too kill by mill. I agree it is mostly ironic that you had a mill opportunity and didn't take it which leads to him topdecking the win.
MTGGoldfish Yea you could have blocked everything with the board you had, so if you waited to see what he drew and responded to that he would have been done... honestly I would have impulsively done the same thing lol. Honestly with the non budget version with black this matchup becomes a lot more bearable but it isn’t impossible with the budget version... just need to play very well and get a bit lucky. Good games btw, love the deck and mill in general. This grindy, value-esc style of the archetype is honestly amazing to play and makes it feel less like burn (modern mill feels like burn with bigger numbers while trying to play 4d chess). I finally have a standard deck I like to play that isn’t generic UW/grixis control which is awesome (and don’t have to break the bank for a format that will make the deck illegal in a year) Keep up the good work showing off these out of the box unique decks, shows the heart of magic of being creative
I thought so too! I looked at the blockers and noticed he wouldve had enough since the goblins krenko creates arent attacking, couldve aether gusted the ember hauler and had game the next turn by mill i believe
I'm not sure I understand why you didn't tap ventures gargoyle on end step against mono rep opponent. Maybe you edited over it but it seemed like you missed it a few times
Literally just using the word literally as a hyperbole. Saying “our opponent has literally all the food in the world” is far more effective at conveying that they have more food than you can deal with than “our opponent has a lot of food”. Similar to how saying “I am literally starving right now” is a very effective way of saying “I am very hungry.”
No Darren, it is wrong. You can not say literally and then hyperbole, because then it is not literally, which is the one thing it is conveying. It's like saying "He is actually the smartest person in the world" when you just want to say someone is very smart, it's just wrong.
The literal purpose of words is to convey meaning. We all know what he means. There is no problem. Just watch the video about the card game without having to think you're superior to everyone.
Edward Dunmore Just because we can figure out what it means doesn't mean it's not wrong. Stop being so insecure you think everyone is trying to 1-up whenever they correct anything about anybody.
@@Ninjamanhammer as much as I hate the word being used that way, Webster's and Oxford both changed the secondary definition of literally to mean figuratively several years ago.
@@MTGGoldfish don't let all the hate get to you man, you're one of the last positive voices in the magic community, but people sure like to go out of their way to shit on you every video for some reason.
1:07:25 huge misplay should've used secretkeeper to mill, play land, cast into the story. instead you played the same effect as secretkeeper and passed with three mana open for no reason
"maybe we should not have trusted our overwhelmed apprentice"
my boss on my first day
Sebastian Shammer now I get it ;)
I love how you play mill every rotation
People love mill!
@@MTGGoldfish Bad people.
People like me...
Love you Seth!
@@MTGGoldfish Why you played "aether gust" during your turn , on the last game. If you saved it until next turn, and countered opponent "Ember Hauler" and get a chance to won this game.(You anyway can cast "aether gust" on opponent krenko, but if you saved "aether gust" , you get additional opportunity to countered opponents spells.)
What does mill mean?
@@williamholloway1408 mill means to take cards off the top of your opponent's library, usually to graveyard. Named after the card millstone from early in mtg. If a player needs to draw a card (such as at the beginning of their turn) and their library is empty, they lose the game.
I think you should consider countering adventure spells more than you seem to. Removing the other half of value at the same time. In particular, using negate on brazen borrower bounce would have certainly been worth it a couple of times.
Thing is: every brazen bounce wasn't game ending. His plan relies on prolonguing the game and fatiguing the opponent, so it's not worth countering stuff that does not make a real impact
@@gmz904 it's not "Counter a bounce spell", it's "Counter a bounce spell, make opponent discard a 3/1 flyer", which is not a obligatory play, but definitely is a big tempo play
Yeah, that's tough. The main plan is to just stall out and Brazen Borrower bouncing something doesn't really bother us, but a 3/1 flier can be annoying if we don't have an active Gargoyle.
Very fun video!!
@@gmz904 it wasn't just brazen though, he let murderous rider go a couple of times though, when it would have been better to counter it, especially when his opponent was building a board and countering the rider would have meant one more chump blocker, and one less creature for the opponent.
44:11
*gasp
My dearest Saffron!
You have no idea how long I have awaited that question from thee!
When "Once upon a time" is so relavant in the meta, that cards like "Into the Story" automatically are called "Once upon a Time".
All the fairy tale names sort of blend together.
lmao yeah that threw me for a loop
Mono blue is life. Can’t wait to play this
"I open the coke, take a drink, MILL OUR OPPONENT"
Edgewall innkeeper + Lovestruck Beast = a different kind of Disney movie!
Gaston and LeFou 😊
Bond of Insight is nuts in this deck. Been playing a version of it for a while.
Hey Seth, been playing the Deck since eldraine came out, have about an 80 ish % winrate, the only difference is i have 2 Narset in the board, one main, paired with my new petcard; the Folio on fancies, its just straght up better than the well in the long run, with all the trump walls noone can run you over, even the apprentice block somewhat decent. Drawing 2/3 cards when holding up a counter EOT, then untapping, if nothing happens just use the second abilitie and mill for a bunch.
Sincerely
Decklist please?
What did you take out to make room for Folio on fancies and Narset? Just the wall?
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-10-19-millie/?cb=1570746942
heres my current decklist, ive also put in opts and changed other stuff around since, but still working great. sideboard is up to preference ofc. and the bond of insight... i just like it often its a lil slow but can wor. and the 8 , 3 - mana counters were to much for me, switched 2 with quench for earlier plays
Mirrormade? You have artifacts and enchanments, especially drowned secrets.
MineRoyale Yay it wasn’t budget enough 👂🏿👁👅👁👂🏿
I think maybe we need more artifacts/enchantments to make it consistent enough.
@@AlastairGames It can also copy the Gargoyle. Though I'm still not sure if that makes it good enough.
It doesnt hurt to put two in the deck for sure. That's what I do and it helps me get two to four drowned secrets in the field PLUS it copies ANY artifact or enchantment on the field
You had me at mill.
Hearing you say "millmillmillmill" repeatedly is strangely satisfying.
Watching that Jeskai control deck with the Bonecrusher Giants made me realize that we could probably build a decent Naya Giants deck. Fun Standard Giant Tribal.
Naya Giants sounds sweet!
48:00
not countering rider cause of possible Trophy?
if he doesn't have it, that would be lethal mill
Interesting
not to mention an extra blocker if he countered the instant affect, would have left him alive one more turn
That was so much fun! Great job Seth!
Thanks!
I love this deck!! Would enjoy a Dimir splash for Drown in the Loch, Enter the God Eternals, Thief of Sanity and Thought Erasure
17:00 Seth quotes "The Big Lebowski"
That's just like your opinion, man.
Seth probably got a nice rug to that really pulls his room together
I came back for this reference. This is great.
"maybe we should not have trusted our overwhelmed apprentice" => Or because SaffronOlive's greatest weakness is one-lander hands
@Agent Of The Master I'd have to look at the hand again. The keep might have been correct. Depends what else he had besides overwhelmed apprentice and drowned secrets.
@Agent Of The Master Honestly that's not my experience and I play mostly limited. That being said I keep 1 land hands very rarely and they're typically hands like island, faerie seer, scour all possibilities, eyekite, firebolt etc. I've kept more 1 landers in moho than any other limited format because you actually want those card selection effects in some archetypes.
@Agent Of The Master Do you play limited? You make it sound like missing your land drops is less punishing in that format. It's not less punishing. So are you trying to say you're more likely to hit your land drops in limited? The only reason all my examples are limited is because I don't have a constructed deck with card selection. My modern deck isn't blue.
@@melissagrenier2200 50:05 for reference. It's a sketchy keep at best I think. If the scry doesn't get him a land he can't cast any more spells, and none of the other cheep cards in his hand would get him to the 3rd and 4th lands. If it was something like 2x apprentice or 1x apprentice 1x wishing well I think it's fine, but with Seth's hand even if the Apprentice scrys a land to the top for the 2nd turn there's still no guarantee that he can cast thought collapse on time to counter something scary.
*edit:* also keep in mind this is a deck that is already skimping on lands, playing only 22.
We all get it, the guy keeps some questionable hands, but he does his best to keep a positive attitude and make fun content.
I can't imagine how hard it would be to have people constantly shitting on your play and deck choices every single video. Just kinda bums me out that there's such a large number of people whose lives are so sad they feel they have to constantly complain about things that don't effect them in any way.
I'd love to see a modern version of this deck with Stream of Thought in the build. You'll never run out of counters if you cast SoT then bring back another SoT from the GY when you shuffle four catds back to the deck.
DUDE!!!! I never liked Blue in MTG but this deck... I LOVED IT!!!
At 48:00 if you counterspelled his creature you could have finished the mill out on the next turn. Cspell = 3+4 = 7 cards. two merlocks = 12 each * 2 = 24. 24 + 7 = 31
he could have done it the turn before as well, would have been two off from mill, but he could have had 3 creatures on board to block with, could have also blocked the turn before, would have had 15 life instead of 10 and would have probably survived the onslaught, point being, I think he chose the only move that would have costed him the game lol.
If you were to keep the mill strategy but open up the budget, what would you consider putting in?
Ever though of putting in folio in the deck over into the story? 1 less draw overall but does add to the milling and still a blue card to trigger the enchantment.
Maybe I underrated it, but I feel like allowing our opponent to draw cards is a nonbo with our counterspells.
@@MTGGoldfish I mean worst case it is continuous mill and a way to have enough cards in hand for gargoyle to block. I think the counters are more for tempo purposes than anything else. They are there to hold us out to be able to deck them.
The best part about Budget Mill is that it's not budget because you're holding back on good using good cards.
It's budget because all the mill stuff is just that undervalued, and so the deck ends up being pretty min/maxed XD
Back here after how good mill is right now. I'm wanting to build a Historic version of my standard mill deck that has Teferi's Tutelage and Drowned Secrets seems like a perfect curve with Tutelage.
"Makes more crates" what a beautiful day to be a goblin.
I might just pick this up. I'm a Commander player and I have been itching to try out a mill deck and try other formats. This is perfect.
I was bummed when the core mill set for 2019 rotated out. But I made this deck and it's very nice. It has solid control and beefy early blockers to open yourself up to mill away. I'd almost suggest getting opt in somewhere.
I love mill and have since millstone was the only one. Having fun online with this deck idea.
Picked up this deck as soon as I saw this video. Changed a couple of cards due to no availability but seems legit.
what about if you wanted to upgrade this deck, what would you put ?
Safron, I made a mono blue mill and Stolen by the Faes were a huge help, I ran 2 and they are cheap as well.
I feel like splashing a bit of black just for Drowned in the Loch would be a good idea. Might not be very budget after adding Fabled Passages and Shocks but, definitely worth it I think.
The article has a non budget list with drown
Yeah, the non-budget list does exactly that. Sadly going blue-black (with good mana) takes the deck out of the budger range.
So this deck straight loses to Shifting Ceratops right?
Basically, yes.
Aether gust is your only option. But a pretty good one considering you're supposed to be able to mill your opponent easily.
I'm new to the scene, would a deck like this be considered competitive enough to place in FNM?
It depends what decks people use where you play. They will probably bring anti-control cards from out of their sideboard in game 2 or 3, so prepare for that. Sometimes people do get wrecked by mill if they are not expecting it. This deck is fairly competitive for the price, you just have to learn how to play it correctly, e.g., when to leave mana open for counterspells, what spells are worth countering, how to respond to spells/abilities on the stack, etc.
@@christophermccauley4113 thanks I appreciate it. I will go and buy this deck today to practice with it
Recommend Frogify 🐸
I love Mill. This is similar to my mill deck on arena but use Unsummons to bounce back my secret keepers and walls and a couple mirrormades to help get more drowned secrets out plus some opts. It's so much fun. I went 5 and 2 with it in the win every card event. It destroyed bant field of dead 4 times.
i run almost same deck and i wrecked bant lands too lol. How are the mirror mades working for you?
They do good. Something I get them and dont need them or cant use them which is why I only run two but it's to copy drowned secrets or anything my opponent might have out.
So what is a non-budget mill deck in standard look like?
instead of the callous dismissal i use run away together or unsumon
Any chances for a Theros update? :) I think there’s some interesting milling options with Theros
Would you ever consider redoing budget mono black suicide. With upgrades like rotting regisaur, Rankel, castle locthwain.
I am the Robbz he gave the shout out to. Glad he got to show a game with Vantress beating down as well.
This deck is sweet! And going off the cues blue might have a mill theme in Theros so given that, a future non-budget version *must* be played.
Once M19 were available, I used to played a WU mill deck and it turned into a WU control deck that contained a Psychic Corrosion
As far as modern mill goes, Ashiok does enough in game 1 against blind matchups that it's worth maindeck. Not sure about Standard, I think you made the correct choice putting Ashiok in the side
I like Ashiok a lot in Modern where exiling the graveyard is more important and everyone is playing fetchlands. I think it's fine in Standard too, but awkward that it shuts down some of our cards.
@@MTGGoldfish The problem in modern is he does not provide the same quality of graveyard hate as something like leyline of the void(I now they are in standard also but they are not worth running in standard).
I love the deck and all, but how do you stop shifting ceratops?
flood of tears but yeah there isn't much against ceratops.
Hope that the opponent isn’t playing it
Hope you mill it before it gets on the board
Hope to dodge it. We basically don't beat it once it hits the battlefield.
Yessssss, love me some mill. 😈🥳
What about lucky clover? Would it not speed things up?
Hello Seth, could Goldfish consider any sort of videos in a series to showcase Cycles? Last time we had the Cavalier and now (besides Castles) we have the legendary Artifacts. How about some sort of creative 5-episode against the odds (some are not so imaginative, but things like coupling Jace with Magic Mirror and Folio could be fun)
The Syrs are another cycle from this set
Hmm, that could be a fun idea!
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks! The only thing that could be more fun Imo would be to have a live EDH match with everyone using those artifacts as commander replacement. Just avoid embercleave.
Where can I find that Goblin list? I built Goblins last season, & a bunch of those cards rotated out, but I think the cards I have left would allow the new Goblin list to be pretty cheap for me to build.
Hi Seth, I wonder why you never countered any adventures? When you counter the adventure, you ALSO counter the creature (it doesn't go into exile, the whole card goes to the grave.) There were several games where you let them murderous rider both halves and the loss of the creature + the threat of the rider was more than enough to justify a counter at the beginning.
You can also Negate an adventure and that counters the creature too
Do think going into Dimir and adding Thought Erasure and some removal in the main plus some board wipes in the SB would make this better?
I think *Run Away Together* in this build is better than you think. As long as the dude you bounce for your opponent isn't some serious upside EtB-er, it gives you some upper-tier combat tricks.
Are there any upgrades you can make with a little extra money or not really?
With a lot of Golos, Fable Passages and Beanstalk in meta did you tried the Ashiok instead that Faire that just mill?
I suppose the best way to side against the insta lose that is a shifting ceratops on the battlefield, would be to put artifact creatures.
Stonecoil serpent, Shambling suit or even Stone golem..
I feel like the first upgrade would be brazen borrower over callous dismissal
Dismissal is better, it can bounce for replay and\or save your stuff. Also leaves a blocker. Brazen only hits OP, and can only block fliers. Maybe for board, where you can transition to air beats?
It doesn't really save your own stuff since it's a sorcery, so then it's more "is a 1/1 blocker better than a 3/1 attacker?"
@@twoblueuntapped886 Brazen Borrower only bounces your opponents stuff. You want callous dismissal to rebounce your wall and merfolk.
@@Ghost26968 I'd rather have the instant speed tempo over the sorcery speed "replay my stuff." I dunno, that might just be me
It's close. That was my first through too, but Brazen Borrower not being able to bounce our own stuff is actually relevant in this deck.
I think vantress gargoyle has a place in a dimir aggro or tempo deck with discard and kill spells.
If you can get the graveyard filled quickly enough it is a powerful threat.
I would love if you could make something like a short prospect how to upgrade the budget decks to an less-budget or non-budget one at the end of these videos
That's a good idea. For now you can find it in the article on the Goldfish site (www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-27-mono-blue-mill-standard-magic-arena), but adding a section to the end of the video is a good plan.
Splash B for Drown in the Loch is probably a decent idea.
If you read the full article the non budget version has that.
Yeah, it's in the non-budget build. The big issue is going blue-black (with decent mana) is pretty expensive because Watery Grave and Fable Passage both cost a lot.
At 27:40 he had one white mana up
MANA TITHE!
Very fun video SPBKASO! I always feel bad for you when I see so many assholes in the comments like: "You're not playing the best build of this tier 7 deck, add this card that's only good in really specific spots!"
54:08 no, Seth: stop saying you were 1 land or card short. If you countered the knight, instead of letting it resolve, you'd have got lethal, thanks to the thought collapse mill. You just punted your game away, and, therefore, the match, with that risky keep as well.
Haven't watched past the deck tech, but did you miss that warren is hybrid mana?
We just cast it with blue mana, since that's all we have.
Could you also play GRIXIS selfmill?
I’ve been running this since the new set came out but I use frogafi and the only the blue spell the turns there stuff in to 1/1 with no abilities instead of the counter spells
Nice! That does seem like a decent removal sell for a mono-blue deck.
I was unaware of a Goblins list. Now I want to see that one.
"The inn has been kept!" 🤣
I don’t know why people aren’t more hyped about Vantress Gargoyle: it’s been awesome for me in Control-ish decks with a surprise aggro possibility
I like this brew but I would axe the wells and use sage’s row denizen and stolen by the fae the rest is good though
1:08:50 probably better to bounch a mentored token. Wouldn't have made a huge difference but I think it would have been the better play
I tried using run away together for more ETB but if your opponent has better ones it doesn't work. A one of Folio of Fancies did a lot of work.
Pretty confident that even with 8 1 mana scry2 that 22 lands is one few. It’s not that the apprentice failed you it’s that you overwhelmed him too much as is often the case, unfortunately. The scry should give you consistency with a regular mana base not *hopefully* pull you from terrible mana count into regular imo.
The description is a 100% accurate
Seeing this list pop up in Arena a lot makes me really miss Gaea's Blessing
Well done bro!
Think you could have had the goblin deck if you switched to gargoyle beats! Its a much faster clock than mill, they had no fliers to stop it, and half the time it couldn't block anyway.
Persistent petitioners!
Kristan Dela Cruz, great idea but when you start chump blocking and getting your creatures removed it’s hard to get the benefit of it. Better to play creatures that give you the value right away.
@@ValariaxSword but persistent petitoners!
I built a Mill deck that uses Lucky Clover with Merfolk Secretkeeper. It’s bonkers.
Sounds super fun! I've heard of that working in limited, but haven't seen it in constructed yet.
what about narset, jace, jace's ingenuity mill yourself?
1:14:38....this is what true pain sounds like 😣 bruh that was a heartbreak and a half right thur. My manz fought and clawed his way to stabilize....all to end like that 😫 I feel for you man
Are we thinking maybe a none budget version for a stream?
I'm down.
I just purchased this deck
1:14:22 you had the mill with the gargoyle to ditch the pinger.
We didn't know it was on the top of the deck though, right?
vinniesmits Yea once he drew it that was game, there was no way to actually know what it was until he played it... it was just the top deck of the year
@@MTGGoldfish ofcourse but what was the reason not to mill? There was no downside and our strategy is too kill by mill. I agree it is mostly ironic that you had a mill opportunity and didn't take it which leads to him topdecking the win.
Bouncing krenko was a punt
Yeah, I guess it was probably better to let the opponent draw first and then Aether Gust?
MTGGoldfish Yea you could have blocked everything with the board you had, so if you waited to see what he drew and responded to that he would have been done... honestly I would have impulsively done the same thing lol.
Honestly with the non budget version with black this matchup becomes a lot more bearable but it isn’t impossible with the budget version... just need to play very well and get a bit lucky. Good games btw, love the deck and mill in general. This grindy, value-esc style of the archetype is honestly amazing to play and makes it feel less like burn (modern mill feels like burn with bigger numbers while trying to play 4d chess). I finally have a standard deck I like to play that isn’t generic UW/grixis control which is awesome (and don’t have to break the bank for a format that will make the deck illegal in a year)
Keep up the good work showing off these out of the box unique decks, shows the heart of magic of being creative
I thought so too! I looked at the blockers and noticed he wouldve had enough since the goblins krenko creates arent attacking, couldve aether gusted the ember hauler and had game the next turn by mill i believe
Why did the opponent attack with goose instead of eot making a food?
2blockers at 49min match would be better because green black adventures usually dont play any haste creatures or buffs more likely they play removals
I like the name. I hope it is an intentional reference.
I'm not sure if it is relevant, but it seems you forgot many gargoyl's activation against the goblin deck !..
It mills both players and he kept putting Into the Story on top of his deck
@@Methos1919 Oh okay indeed !
I'm not sure I understand why you didn't tap ventures gargoyle on end step against mono rep opponent. Maybe you edited over it but it seemed like you missed it a few times
Why no opt?
Seth, really like the video! You might consider muting the music in MTGA next time :) the jumps in the video throw the music off quite a bit :)
Yeah, it's been turned off. Might take another video to filter through those, since some were already recorded after I got the "no music" feedback.
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for taking action, it is indeed weird as is.
"....Literally all the food in the world."
No, Seth.
Not literally.
Figuratively.
Literally the exact opposite of literally.
Literally just using the word literally as a hyperbole. Saying “our opponent has literally all the food in the world” is far more effective at conveying that they have more food than you can deal with than “our opponent has a lot of food”. Similar to how saying “I am literally starving right now” is a very effective way of saying “I am very hungry.”
No Darren, it is wrong. You can not say literally and then hyperbole, because then it is not literally, which is the one thing it is conveying. It's like saying "He is actually the smartest person in the world" when you just want to say someone is very smart, it's just wrong.
The literal purpose of words is to convey meaning. We all know what he means. There is no problem. Just watch the video about the card game without having to think you're superior to everyone.
Edward Dunmore
Just because we can figure out what it means doesn't mean it's not wrong.
Stop being so insecure you think everyone is trying to 1-up whenever they correct anything about anybody.
@@Ninjamanhammer as much as I hate the word being used that way, Webster's and Oxford both changed the secondary definition of literally to mean figuratively several years ago.
Personally, I like this but with drown in the loch and thief of sanity added in
Thank you Seth for making a budget deck under 30$
curious the percentage of these games we watch seth lose games that starts with "if we draw a land..."
Probably 90%-ish, but apparently I never learn :)
@@MTGGoldfish but its why we love you and keep watching
@@MTGGoldfish don't let all the hate get to you man, you're one of the last positive voices in the magic community, but people sure like to go out of their way to shit on you every video for some reason.
Can't wait till you start doing MTGO content
Thanks goldfish, i LOVE play this shit
Love watching mill, hate playing against it...
I find it a fun puzzle.
1:07:25 huge misplay should've used secretkeeper to mill, play land, cast into the story. instead you played the same effect as secretkeeper and passed with three mana open for no reason