I know the lore of all 3 games can be abit much and mixing the lores can get overwhelming especially if you dont play all the games but I'm curious what you all think of the false sky what purpose it serves for people within and what lies beyond 😊
Hmm, regarding your explanation on around 49:29 about the ouroboros and the devourers of the worlds, what do you think about the fact that Dainsleif’s constellation has been confirmed by hoyo on the chinese character card to be ouroboros 🤔 @TheGamerChronicles999
Imagine you go to celestial and you can only play at The traveler because the other characters are linked to this simulated world you can't play anyone else but the traveler
It would be quite funny if Traveler becomes Akivili. Akivilis homeplanet is suppoused to be isolated and it is named "Pegana" that is probably reference to book "The Gods of Pegāna" which is fantasy novel about multiple gods living in Pegāna, which would fit Teyvat pretty well, since there are so many gods there too.
Wait you’re onto something. Akivili and their followers “the nameless” well guess who Teyvat does not know the name and we’ve learned this because of the “we will be reunited quest” between the twins : the traveler, we know now they use a nickname only them know the name of each others. To the rest of the world they’re nothing more than travelers in Teyvat. And we have further proofs that at least the two universes of HSR and GI are truly connected. “Countless shooting stars streak across the night sky... If you can pick the right one, it will carry your wish to thousands of distant worlds." Adrian smith (Honkai star rail fable of the stars, about AKIVILI) that line always struck me because it is also made me think about genshin wishing system, the sibling also arrive to Teyvat in forms of shooting stars. "I believe on the other side of the Starry Sea is a planet inhabited by gods who can answer all prayers and wishes, and everyone bearing a wish is on a journey to get there.” (Vera’s melancholy book in genshin impact) I like the idea of the traveler ascending to Aeon hood after Teyvat chapter.
I thought of that but the way the HP bullied us at the start of the game makes me think we arent strong enough to br an aeon unless... this is how we become one?😮
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Yeah, connecting Teyvat into the larger universe would be very big act of Trailblaze, maybe that could be thing that ascends them?
I kinda agree hoyo are professionnal at hiding thing at plain sight, i mean look at the events when mika said that capitano had blue glowing eyes and then capitano himself tell us he's from kaenhria :P
Damn I did not expect to get featured in a video. Thanks for the shoutout! Anyway here are some mistakes you made I will point out: (common misconceptions due to EN misinterpretation from CN text) The Imaginary Tree is a representation of the universe. Worlds in the Honkaiverse are around the size of a solar system, each being separated by barriers of imaginary energy that cannot be traversed through without being an Emanator, Aeon, or possessing certain FTL technology. The reason many people mistakenly consider "worlds" as universes is due to old EN misinterpretations within HI3rd. The original CN text follows the "1 universe, many worlds" rule. The Honkai stems from the Cocoon of Finality. The Honkai is NOT a test to determine whether a world should be pruned, it is a test for humanity to evolve and eventually embrace the Cocoon of Finality. The CoF is a higher dimensional being, which Dr. MEI theorised to have come into existence via an alien civilisation merging itself with their planet. Essentially, the Cocoon put the Sol. System in a bloody cycle of trial and error over the course of millions of years. Each time Humanity succumbed to the Honkai the Cocoon would turn back time and restart the clock, allowing for a "new" humanity emerge again only to eventually face the Honkai as they grow more and more advanced. This cycle would eventually be broken due to Elysia's existence being a "glitch in the system", allowing for the creation of Herrschers that choose to fight for Humanity to exist. This cycle was done because the Cocoon is estimated to have been around for billions of years, and thus had become extremely lonely as no other beings were able to properly communicate with them due to being in a higher plane of existence. We do know Honkai is not restricted to one world alone thanks to the Sky People, so it may be possible more than one Cocoon of Finality exists in the universe, as the Cocoon is only able to affect 1 world at a time.
It seems like things were going that way until the aftermath of Sa's boss battle. Not impossible that she would've became something akin to the Cocoon after some time( a lot of it). I could imagine Genshin pt 2 dealing with the aftermath. After all, the Ark is supposed to open eventually
OH MY GOD. THE GAMER CHRONICLES 1 HOUR LORE VIDEO 10 MIN AGO?? AM LIVING BABY!! (Hoping for a Columbina vid soon too!) Thanks for all the work you put in, it's always so interesting watching thease!
remember that still to this day no playable character has a P in their name. there is just paimon, the primordial one, phanes, primos... there is something going on
You have to think about the abyss as an invisible ocean. On the ocean there exists lilly pads. One of those pads had someone land on it and they created a huge dome that covers a portion of it. Whatever is inside the dome is still thriving and full of life. Outside the dome is a dead area. Beings can travel from pad to pad using the abyss. The abyss is constantly trying to drown the pad and the pad drinks the abyss in order to maintain itself. It’s a back and forth. The sky people are running across a dead universe because they’re being chased by the Honkai. They happened upon the dome and they broke in and took over. The dome is currently keeping them safe while they steal all the resources and leave Tevat as dead as the rest of the universe. Fatui will destroy the dome and allow the Honkai to fight the Sky People. Once they’re defeated the Will of the Honkai will reverse the universal damage and reignite the dead star so that the area outside the dome can sustain life again
@@Iceyicez I told everyone the story of Genshin almost 4 years ago online and I got flamed so hard I just left it alone. Here we are and I was correct. Honestly if people just assemble the clues from HI3 and Genshin it’s all there. Down the road we will welcome the Star Rail travelers back to help us restore the dead universe
Very well said and I think alot of it is because people dont play all the games but this is a very cool way to bring people from all games together we're seeing that with Hsr and Hi3 with their collabs before long genshin will join them
@@TheGamerChronicles999 I’d like to add that I think Tsaritsa has two plans. One is to blow up the dome and allow the fight to happen. And the second part is to freeze Tevat with the Honkai trapped inside. I think she believes she can spare future universes from fighting the Honkai if she traps it I also believe it won’t be necessary. Once the Will has explained itself she will make peace with its existence
@@robertsanssouci2093Right? I'm just dying to actually see the connection between Paimon and Unknown God. Kiana and HoV based off of all four of their colors alone lmao. And the fact that Paimon, Unknown God, and Phanes all have a serpent around their leg lol. I haven't played much HSR. I only got into it to find more missing links like Akivili.
Honestly, this was probably one of the most convincing theories I've seen. I really love how you put it all together starting from yhe beginning to where we are now, and how it connects to the Honkai games.
No.. All dragons in the hoyo universe are Long's scions. As Long the Aeon is the Progenitor of all dragons. That is said with heavy consequences.. Meaning that all dragons are the Progeny of Long.
I find it really interesting that out of all the nations in Teyvat, only the history of the Shogun's second story quest would survive. Now that I think about it, the very purpose of the Yae Publishing house was to foster writing and literacy throughout the people of Inazuma. Yae Miko even says in her voice lines that she views the stories that people write and pass down as a form of eternity. It could very well be that the stories of Inazuma outlasted the histories of the other nations by the time the ICP arrives.
Generally there are three ways for Civilization to deal with Honkai: 1. Complete Rejection: Venus and PE approach. Just fight them head on. Generally result in failure. 2. Evacuate to Simulated Universe: Digitize everyone and have them live in sufficiently advanced quantum computer, advanced enough it's considered Bubble World, not 'just' simulation. Mars approach, and roughly comparable to Project Stigma. Actual world still get destroyed, which result in Cocoon move on to next planet. 3. Embrace with Cocoon: Kiana and CE approach. Gain power from Cocoon and wield Finality power.
I find it interesting that multiple times you were talking about how genshin is a simulated universe and how HSR One of the endgame content is called simulated universe and how herta made simulated universe and with the reveal of the possibility of what her real body looks like it looks very similar to a witch and a witch of the hexan circle is known for traveling outside of Teyvat as well as the fact that most simulated universe are based on a historical event that happened. So what if Genshin is just a simulated universe that is trying to recover the past of what happened in Tayvet
@@SeiichirouUtabro you just make me think more and more 😂 and i like it, i like the universeeee and can't wait for the assemble from other sisters game 😂
If we are speaking Genshin being a canonical part of the star rail universe, then there is one theory I'd like to bring up made by Wei. This theory suggests that the Traveler is an Aeon or will become one, specifically Akivili, or at the very least connected with the Astral express. First of all, there is a suspicious amount of symbols on the Traveler's clothes that is also on the Astral Express train. Take a good look at the male traveler and the Astral Express Train. The color scheme is exactly the same, both share the pattern called "Fluer de lis", which you can see on the Traveler's little round circle at the belt of the pants and on the shoulder pads, while Fluer de lis is present on the front of the Astral express on the right side of the circle on the front. Zhongli likens the Traveler as observers in Teyvat. Dan Heng refers to the nameless as observers of countless worlds. Akivili is latin corruption of Aquila, and in Genshin, there's a weapon called "Aquila Favonia". Aquila Favonia is the weapon of Vanessa, one of the four winds. Now Venti becomes important. Nahida, the last official archon to release, has already had 2 story quests. Venti, the first ever banner five star, has only had his one, and he is an Archon. You'd expect him to be more important? He is. Venti asks us at the end of the Mondstadt quest that once we find our sister, if we would like to become one of the four winds. A god, basicly. This is a super early foreshadowing of Traveler's ascension to godhood, or perhaps Aeonhood First of all, look at the traveler's character profile. "The Keeper is fading away (Dainsleif, the bough keeper probably), the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend." Ascend to become a god or Aeon likely. If you take a look at Venti's statue in mondstadt, you'll see symbols. If you flip it, it litterally spells out "The gateway of Celestia". Venti's second quest can only come once we're ready to become a god. However, this character profile can also be interpreted as the ascension to become a loom of fate, because Traveler's final character profile is litterally called "Loom of fate" and Dainsleif says that if we defeat him at the end of our journey, the threads of all fate are ours to weave. So, the Aeonhood theory might be less credible because of this, however, It is scary that how much of paralells you can draw towards the Traveler and Akivil. The theory is here if you want to see it:ua-cam.com/video/D1sax7kJ06E/v-deo.html
One giveaway for Teyvat being a simulated Universe is the millisecond you go into the menu. If you watch closely you can see a wiremesh of the world before it loads the Character menu. A wiremesh for a world based on polygons. A game. This is a very odd stylistisc choice for the overall art style of Teyvat. I only noticed it myself because the game froze for a second while loading.
There's a very interesting dialogue in Honkai Star Rail that I've always felt is a reference to Teyvat, the false sky and the Irminsul "database." If you go to the Divination Commission, near the place where you can regularly talk to Fu Xuan, there's a "Matrix Manager" named Huixing who says: "Xianzhou had once visited a world where the residents used something called an Aquascope to scry into the future. That thing was even more accurate than the Matrix of Prescience, and our exploration team couldn't help but pore ourselves into researching this technology. We later came to realize that this Aquascope was no mystery at all. That world simply has a limited amount of information. There wasn't much computational power and data input needed to predict the future there. In comparison, the Luofu sails through galaxies of stars, not a machine-esque world as predictable as a complex clockwork of unerring precision." I think this very obviously refers to the scryglass Mona and other astrologists use to read fate in Teyvat, but we know that fate is determined by the false sky or Irminsul, which fits the description of a "machine-esque clockwork world." If the IPC stumbled upon this "Tevyat," it's plausible that the Xianzhou also did at some point.
About samsara cycles,nahida straight up tells us that teyvat is in a loop,not to mention that there was this note that specificied which samsara cycle teyvat was in and that note was in fontaine,as i remember clearly. Not to mention that sumeru probably forshadows teyvats Fate if we see how we are in a loop in the sumeru archon quest,i wanted to say that teyvat wasn't real but a dream but then i realized that ipc discovered it soo my point crumbles down,but we are definitely on a loop that's for sure.
@@novalytyxp well as in the game evidence that was shown in they video,since ipc can see teyvat and even get information that means the planet actually exists and that's where my point crumbles about it being a dream.
@@voidraid3867 It can still be a dream, the same way penacony is a dream, but still a physical place inside the memory zone. Think of King Deshret and Remuria, both of these civilizations aimed to make "eternal" lands free from the heavenly principles by using the dreams from their citizens, to mixed results.
I think pimon's memory and power of her past was erased and suppressed to hide her from greater threats, but her knowledge of the world was kept. What do y'all think?
I believe that the primordial one is on the golden throne (WH40k) and they created paimon as a lesser shade to go and guide the traveler because the first sibling failed, now paimon will have to guide the traveler towards a path that PO favours, in order to overthrow the heavenly principles and save teyvat from the abyss threat In other words PO is on life support and they’re using paimon as guide for the traveler to not fall for the abyss
Starting right now with the video and i need to say, as a lore enthusiast that loves deep dives in story’s with great depth, a dream come true with a movie like this. Thanks 🔥
At this point of the lore, we're just waiting for the Astral Express to arrive. Welt is enough to stop all this madness and solo everyone in Teyvat with a minature black hole. 💀
People hype up Welt far too much without knowing what he's actually capable of ISWTG. He's strong but he's NOT ANYWHERE near the strongest in HI3 and he sure as hell isn't soloing everyone in Teyvat when his "black hole" isn't even real and can't even scratch the moon
I dont think so. In the loading screen, we always see the phrase "Teyvat has it own rule". That can explain, if some entity entered Teyvat, they will be limited their power. Just like some Manhua, the guy from higher universe cant do anything if they enter Earth/or some lower power. That may be why Quantumm & Imaginary power almost dont exist in Teyvat, or exist but super tiny, like what we see in fontaine. So i think Welt cant do anything, even if he used to be Herrscher of Reason
Thank you so much. I like to update my details of the lore/story of Genshin twice a year and yours are very detailed and well-made! Can't wait for the new lore Natlan quest gonna drop to us more in the future!
Now that you say paimon might be a moon sister, it’s so interesting how many characters in quests, events and even NPC’s ALWAYS call her a “ moon” and we are the sun.
YOO Paimon has little constellations appear when she's justing sitting there I think she might actually be part of what binds everyone you might be right never noticed that but had to look
About Ouroboros, there is a world quest in Enkanomiya about him, a place called "Serpent's heart"(the quest itself is called "The Heart of Ouroboros"). Also, the fissure in the dessert part of Sumeru, the first astronomical anomaly we see as travelers, can be literally seen in Tunigi Hollow before we clean the place. By that I mean you can stand on the Tunigi Hollow's center and look down on the literal tree that repels the Abyss. Also I wonder if we can pin there Paimon being able to stop the time (esc button, Paimon appears, the time stops, but we still can hear the char's idle, silly no?) or how she basically is the in lore border of the world, silly how it gets foggy and Red when we approach it no?
This doesn't really have anything to do with this video but I'm commenting it here so it's more likely to be seen. About the Traveller potentially becoming the pyro archon, I was watching an old video from a different youtuber and they talked about the twins connection to Lucifer and how Paimon follows us around and that the demon Paimon was the most loyal to Lucifer, anyway I'm not going to explain the whole thing but one of the things mentioned was that one some things say that Lucifer was a seraphim (angel with 6 wings) and that while Seraphim's power sometimes extend to light it is mostly connected to fire. Plus someone in the comments said that the twins wings in the game files were called seraphwings. Anyway if the Traveller does become the pyro archon (god of fire) I thought this was an interesting connection.
may be cool, but would be cooler if we get both travelers eventually. both fighting at the same time, that kind of a mechanic would be entirely unique and cool
I am only in the beginning of your video, but I think the gnosis are being collected for the traveler. Death is a rule. The shades enforce the rules of Teyvat. Whoever is in control of Teyvat controls what the rules are. The gnosis are going to amplify all our powers. We are part of a prophecy to reweave Teyvat’s fate. We will undo the original curse. And then we will hand the power over to the people. The archons have been farming the will of the people into the gnosis via visions. Just like the contending fire. The last enemy will be something from space, but I don’t think it will be the honkai.
Further in now. I don’t think the HP and PO are the same. I think the HP is the second descender and the PO is dead or in process of reincarnation via Paimon. You cooked with this though! Great video!
Correction: Himeko in Hi3 is not even a Herrscher. But, that broken bits of greatsword was from her battle in the void space where it could have probably drifted into the Sea of Quanta.
It's arguable that she WAS a Herrcher or at least on a comparable level for a brief moment, remnants of her mind being saved in the core (which was powering her suit) imply that she was truly connected to it even if only for long enough to save Kiana.
that’s one thing i’ve been thinking about. there are no “bad” guys, it’s all been a matter of perspective and knowledge. the same way the captains and mavuika’s ideologies oppose each others because of their different histories. when we started we thought the fatui were just an evil entity, but the more we learn, the more we see they feel slighted by “fate” and are just trying to change it the way they know best. to destroy this false sky. But do they know the full repercussions of these actions. I do think the primordial one established the fake sky as an act of love to protect the world from what’s beyond. but as these actions have been lost to time, so has the understanding of it. i don’t know who’s ultimately right, but burning irminsul would be akin to rewriting the night kingdom. is it OK for all that history to just be lost, so we can experience the darkness beyond the fermament? knowledge is power, but just like when Adam and Eve ate the apple, it came at a price. to be cast out, to introduce sin and pain. is this knowledge worth it, or is ignorance bliss?
@@jeffdcgamer1077 even then, the 5 sinners likely are very curious people who were in over their heads. likely finding out they’re in a “simulation” drove them to find out the truth, which invited i the abyss. maybe they’re battling their own corruption
@@demkadeemum from what i remember the sinners turned their back on their nation, they had the power to overcome their problems and they chose out of selfishness to not do so, i remember Dain saying that. so nah f them ho3s
@@jeffdcgamer1077 There is NO information in the game about Sinners being evil. Their only bad deed at the moment is that they had is not help Khaenri'ah, but Dainsleif by the way has the same sin according to Twin, which he did not try to deny. And we know that Gold suffers from severe mental problems because of which she rarely can think straight and she maybe tries to destroy all her creatures when she can think straight, one of evil Sinners by the way. And Sinners have no confirmed connection with the Abyss Order, even Vedrfolnir, because of which this order appeared, has no confirmed connection with them, from what we know, he just helped a couple of Hilichurls and Caribert's father who accidentally wandered into his shelter, free themselves from fate and curse, which does not look like an evil act, also Look of Fate already completed.
This video is blowing my mind! I'm left feeling just so amazed by it all. I'm so thankful to hoyo's writers and all the lore theorists out there giving me such an incredible experience time and time again. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts so well. I'm looking forward to your next video! (super interested in Long the Permanence btw)
It’s been connected to Honkai it’s even connected to the MoonSister game made by Hoyoverse years ago and According to the books in Genshin One Moon Sister remains and Raiden is also connected to a Shade
I feel like the loading screen is the "bridge" between teyvat and celestia. When the traveler and their twins were about to go to the "next world" which could have been celestia, the "sustainer of heavenly principals" shows up and traps them in those red squares/cubes. As they completely covered the twins, it seemed as if they weren't affected by the cubes being around them other than the fact they were immobilized (this reminds me of the crimson threads that arlecchino immobilized the traveler with during their duel).. and that feels like the cubes have a sort of depth to them that makes it so the traveler's didn't just get squished. This "depth" I'm trying to explain could very well be the world of teyvat.. and all the "sustainer of heavenly principals" had to do was use their power to open a hole in the sky. "And now, I'm trapped here"
definitely agree with the dragon sovereigns being descendants of Long the Permanence because the vidyadharas in HSR are descendants of Long and they don't die, just reborn, like Neuvillette
One knows they are truly your fan when the words that arent really words (in this video, "davel" and "substained") just blend in and are hardly noticeable anymore ❤ always blown away by your brilliant mind. Thanks for the most fascinating video yet.
Believe the second who came was the abyss and the primordial one seal teyvat away to save it but the second one is slowly creeping in. Because it looked awfully abyssal filled up on the sky
The boy whose eyes and soul are golden like the sun, thy name is Nara Traveler. The pearl in the moonlight, pure as silver, thy name is Paimon. -Arayasa in Aranara questline just before they're about to sing
The purpose of our journey in Teyvat? Our sibling urges us to learn the truth of this world, perhaps that is also why the Heavenly Principles allowed us to live and kept us in Teyvat. Maybe they want us to experience and understand what Teyvat truly is so we can take up their mantle and rule over Teyvat in their stead. If they really have been corrupted and can’t continue holding control over the world they will need a successor. Our sibling was released first, but chose to side with the Abyss and thus would be opposed to keeping Teyvat closed off from the rest of the universe. We are now on our journey, and I think it’s likely that our experience is quite different from our sibling. My thought is that we will choose to protect the world and keep the place we have come to care about safe from the harm beyond the false sky. Maybe it is why we were sent Paimon as well. Our “guide” that helps us connect with the world we are exploring. This is just what thoughts I had when watching the video. I have only been playing for 5 1/2 months and have tons of content to get through, but I fell in love with the story and lore and couldn’t help but watch videos like this. I’m also unfamiliar with the other games and doubt that I will ever play them. I just wanted something to occupy my time and looked for a fantasy RPG game that had lots of content and a story that I could get lost in. Combat was completely new for me and video games in general so I admittedly struggle, but I am enjoying myself and absolutely fascinated with just how deep and complex the lore really is.
0:00 you know big dawg was surprised the Captaino was also from Khaen”rah like Pierro and Dain and my theory of him and Mavuika holding back was confirmed by Paimon of all people 😂😂
@@TheGamerChronicles999 oh they’ll probably do that in the next archon quest or if Hoyo REALLY had the balls make Captaino playable and have his story quest like we did with Father and her SQ in Fontaine
sure that may very well be a posibility that Nibelung became a decender, after all.. the decenders are just a status given to people carrying a will that can defy the laws of the world. him going outside the borders of Teyvat to obtain power and getting confident beyond reason, could bring him up to that classification. same as, just because you are not from Teyvat and "enter it's borders" does not make you a decender, as you do not fulfill the requirements for that specific status
jp VA has a naturally higher tone of voice, so she sounds why more bearable. but her actual speaking voice outside the character is sooo much more pleasant
As someone who only plays genshin, and is otherwise just vaguely familiar with the imaginary tree and sea of quanta, this is pretty much the line of thinking ive been at. Particularly I think dendro appearing more digital than biological is a sign pointing to teyvat being a synthetic world. I've got 2 points for food for thought: 1. Is I've always kind of thought Alice might actually be from Alice in Wonderland. Like the same Alice, who kept travelling between story book worlds. Simulanka added a lot of interesting implications with that idea. I would curious what your thoughts are there. 2. The other is something I didnt think of til watching this video which is "Hexenzirkel" - while "Hexe" is obviously meant to mean witch, when you were mentioning them in the context of code, the sky and constellations representing peoples coded fate, I realized what if Hex is wordplay on hexidecimal - obviously this word play would only be in english/german etc. But I would be interested to know if there are any other wordplays in the CN and JP languages at least for the Hexenzirkel equivalent term that could be associated with code.
Now that you mention it, it's very interesting that we never throughout the whole Genshin travel even thought to ask about Paimon's origin or species nor do we get the choice to ask about her (it's like we got so accustomed to her from the start that we don't even care or something). We know that she's also affected by the changes in Irminsul, but she doesn't look or dress like anyone in Teyvat nor does she seem to know anyone or know Teyvat per se by which I mean she says that she's a guide, but as far as I remember she doesn't recognize nor know the way of getting to different places in Teyvat (we always need some local to say some place before Paimon mentiones we should go there or we have "another" guide to get somewhere). Even the Archons, witches from the Hexenzirkel, Khaenrians like Dain or Capitano and dragons seem to know or care about her (they know she's there with us, but dont seem to wonder and ask who she actually is). But the question is why did she appear when we started our journey and not when our sibling did and is her data in Irminsul (and if it is, why didn't Nahida say anything about her)? Also, do we know where Arlecchino is actually from or how she was created and "cursed"? Could she be another one of Rhinedottir's (idk if I spelled that correctly) "experiments" or maybe even a daughter of a Khaenrian and some other nation's person that was experimented on to get the "curse"? I guess that couldn't really be the case since that would mean she has to be at least 500 years old unless she's also an Alberich like Kaeya or one of the Sinners' daughter (I know it's a hard stretch, but we haven't seen any of the Sinners, as far as I'm aware, and we don't know what they've been doing since the Cataclysm). One of the things I also wonder is if the city in the sky is actually the real Celestia and Teyvat is just some sort of a pocket dimension we get to by entering the door from the loading screen, where did the (Sustainer of) Heavenly principals come from in the very beginning and why isn't she in Celestia full time? And why did her portal have the same colours as her "corruption"? Could she be fighting another war while keeping an eye on Teyvat?
actually genshin has already collabed with honkai 3rd fischal is a playable valkyrie and kequin was playable in some levels but you couldnt acquire her
Regarding the last 20 minutes or so: It would be really cool once the games are tackling the same story arc or meta narrative, with each of them showing a specific moment in time Genshin showing the Past Honkai showing the Present Star rail showing the future With what Mavuika has said, Past present and future all happen at once, with each of them influencing and changing the others ZZZ is also looking very interesting with the little nuggets of lore regarding the larger hoyoverse we are getting, although it is still very early on with the story, the hollow phenomenom is extremely similar to what happens to bubble universes that are being consumed by the sea of quanta. I really like how Hoyo is handling this metarrative, they are building to something huge, but it might take another 3 (end of celestia arc at the earliest) or maybe even 10 years for us to see the walls come down.
I have never really gotten into any other Hoyoverse games just because Genshin has a simpler and less technological charm, and that's what most players fell in love with, so I really hope that they manage to connect the games without just making it high-tech computer simulation shenanigans. I loved your video tho, way to get me hooked on Genshin lore of all things loool
they are slowly reintroducing high tech in Genshin through the Natlan clans (especially Kinich and Xilonen), the Hexenzirkel (Alice bringing tech from the outside worlds) and Arlecchino glitching. Khaenriah is considered peak for the past since they made a perpetual motion machine. They also had live camera broadcast inside the big Rune Guards in Sumeru. You can use the camera as a targetting mechanism for the weapon systems onboard.
52:09 This aligns very well with how advanced Natlan is compared to other regions in Teyvat (as reflected thru Natlan characters' design), that their archon's power somehow caused that Honkai-ish portal in the sky.
the whole video i couldn’t take my eyes off the fact that the unknown god’s cubes and the squares when the fake sky was exposed are pretty much the same
What funny is that Genshin Dev are now introducing the HP lovecraft Cthulhu Mythos in the recently. Gosoythoth (play with letters similar to Tavyet- Teyvat) aka Yog-Sothoth The ALL Knowing, The Present Past and Future, The Gate and The Key to All...FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. If ppl know their Lovecradt lore Horror. The Heavenly Principle is someone very task ivery important or more possible the Root or the Genesis to ALL Honkai Multiverse. Imagine scary being like Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth lurking behind the scnene pulling all the string seeking Humanity destruction or worst the END of ALL.....Honkai Star Rail Universe and ZZZ will have to face this BEING AS WELL..... Imagine HONKAI BEAST CORE BEING IS THE MANIFESTATION OF YOG-SOTHOTH WILL AND CALLING FOR AZATHOTH AWAKENING.
There's one thing that really bothers me. If the twin traveler travels world after world, then they should be aware of what's happening outside of the Teyvat, right? Do you think the twin was like a surveyor? Checking and searching on each planet that could potentially be the next victim of calamity or might be an invasion. To these date, I still feel sus to the twins. Why are they traveling to another world, and why did the sustainer block them from leaving the teyvat? There's a possibility that the unknown god wants to prevent the vital information of teyvat escapes from them and discover their location.
There might be a darker truth. Abyss could be Lumines home world or whatever is left of it. It would explain why they have such unusual high resistance towards the corruption it would also explain why Aether is called the Prince of the Abyss, because they were probably royalties in their home world. Dainsleif strikes me as someone that is from another world entirely and was recruited by Irmin I think there is a high possibility that he is behind what happened in Khaenri'ah to stop whatever they were going to do to Lumine. Clothar sounds like they were going to do experiments on Lumine he says that they were looking for a loom of fate it's probably not an idea he got by himself rather something Khaenri'ah were trying to achieve as a nation. We now know that Lumine came to Teyvat through teh abyssal gate and not with Aether and this information is crucial because she can be seen kneeling in the battlepass cutscene towards Irmin, and this is not something Aether does therefore he is unaffected by whatever he did to Lumine. It looks like she is about to be knighted after that everything flashes and we get a cut scene of a pearl with a snake around it, I bet my left toe that is supposed to symbolise Dainsleif. I believe Dain did it to save Lumine and I don't think he remembers what he did so he can't really tell her afterwards I also firmly believe that there are two timelines in Genshin one that Lumine comes from were she is alive and one were Aether comes from were she is dead and the remnants inside the Gnosis. I think she uses the abyssal teleport to travel between both timelines. This is explained by what Sustainer does in the beginning of the game a sort of reversed big bang it also explains why a lot of things are turned upside down this was her only solution to try to fix the timeline and send the siblings back to Teyvat.
@@catpoke9557 no the stars exist in teyvat they are the constellations or rather they are at the bottom of the sea floating you can see that in Monas event twice now. If you did Yoimiyas story quest part 2 the stars shoot from the ground upwards rather than falling down from the sky it means they are in the Abyss which strengthens the Abyss sibling connection
@@catpoke9557 Yeah but that is far from certain. They always say that they have recollections of things that happen in Teyvat. Frequently say things like " I remember doing this before I think I have been here before" Not to mention that Lumines flower is the National symbol for Khaenri'ah. Obviously needs a lot more context but you can expect that the siblings has A LOT in common with Teyvat.
@@catpoke9557 BUt that does not explain why Lumines flower is in Khaenri'ah does it. And why the yuse it as their national symbol. You also have the fact that the siblings are immune to the Abyss but why would they be that it makes no sense. If they are stars and divine why would they be immune to the abyss? It should be the opposite. And a third fact they call the sibling Prince or Princess. But why would teh Abyss do that if it's an outlander, why would they look up to her/him unless the Abyss is related to their home planet? Not to mention that it's a great plottwist that I am very certain that Hoyo is going with. We have seen the Abyss as the main enemy / villain the entire game. Imagine what happens if the traveller learns that the Abyss is their home planet and the reason why they came was to return home, but ended up in Teyvat instead. It explains why Dainsleif stands in a field of flowers and Lumine talks about a field of flowers in her dream, it also means that Fontaine Sumeru are places from THEIR world not Teyvats they have just stolen the siblings memories It fits with the siblings conviction to never give up and fight fate no matter what and why she is so protective of her sibling because she is afraid they are going to steal him/her memories too. She makes sure that when they meet nobody can overhear what they say in memories like during Cariberts quest for instance.
@@catpoke9557 But both things can be true at the same time. We know Descenders was fighting the Primordial one, and according to sun and moon they lost. We also know that an orphanage of descenders existed in Khaenri'ah because it's said in Perinheris story, it's not speculative it's already in the game. Khaenri'ah was at the border to other nations and people visited Teyvat before everything went to hell.
I find Alice really fascinating, mostly because she is implied to be an "ascender", someone who is free to come and go as they please. She is also implied to have been to Earth, and unless it was some obscure bubble universe connected to the Earth, she is the direct connection to HI3
I has this observation regarding Chlothar Alberich. Remember Eula'a voicelines about Yanfei during the time when Yanfei was unknowingly escorting goods for the abyss from DORNMAN PORT, and was endangered for having a look into it, tahts when Eula saved her . The inportant part was most probably that thing she was supposed to escort was the Lost Statue of Seven that we later se hanged upside down in the We will be reunited quest. But if this is true we know that Chlothar was the one who ordered the Abyss to steal the Statue. So that would conclude that Chlothar didnt die 100s of years before but died very recently maybe 2-3 years ago and the one responsible to break his immortality curse was whatever he did to the Upside down Venti Statue that was flooding with Abyssal energy , remember even the Grand thief we saw kneeling down was killed. Most probably there was someone else involved in awakening something taht would revert the curse. Maybe Vedrfolnir was involved. Maybe if you remember in the Caribert Archon Quest in the end Dainsleif says that the one in the Crystal has most probably seen us traveling through our sibling's memories . That would mean Vedrfolnir is still active and maybe not in the form of a crystal but an actual body
The symbol on her chest is also sometimes used to represent the cycle of life. Life, death and rebirth. But hers is upside down, so it might represent rebirth, life, and then death. And we are essentially reborn having forgotten our memories
@@TheGamerChronicles999 yes! Please keep going this video alone got me to play the other games outside of Genshin. But there’s so much in the world of teyvat already it’s hard to keep up but you deliver in such an entertaining way. I love it man 😁
food for thought: what if Teyvat is underdeveloped because it is the first story. like you said it happened long ago and maybe it might be the final story also (rumours about a Genshin 2) and the reason the Abyss made it to Khaen'riah is not because they took tech from other civilizations but rather, they were the first technologically advanced civilizations. maybe in teyvat were playing memories of what happened eons ago. and maybe even the planet no longer exits in it's entirety. maybe parts of it were eventually destroyed by the Abyss
No one seems to talk about how Honkai Star Rail has a podcast discussing the discovery of a mini-universe that was theorized to have people in it, but that they weren’t able to contact them for unknown reasons. I believe this universe is Teyvat.
I watched the cutscenes of sky splitting open enough to realize something The new abyss enemy was entranced and it takes the shape of enemies and phenomenas to barrow their skills and abilities and that vortex in the sky was similar to those enemies so here is my theory What mavuika did wasn't turn the vortex into ash and opening a whole in a fake sky by accident but was actually a push shot that shattered the entity at the center of the vortex that was taking the shape of a moon possibly a crimson moon and mavuika broke that fake moon as it formed and pushed it beyond the false sky as a mean of stopping it's effect on natlan by being behind the protective barrier of a false sky a thing made by a god that is stronger than anything in tayvat and was only broken temporarily by the power of it's derivatives (a shade) On top of that any massive celestial body can't remain broken for long as it's gravity will always pull it back together or get gravitated towards a greater celestial bodies that has stronger gravitational pull being absorbed to it in progress so the shatter moon we see was shattered relatively recently this could also be part of the abyss twin plan as well since that moon is now beyond the realm of tayvat and considering the size of the size of the moon chunks we saw it could house a small abyssal army with investigation goal in mind i mean the abyss didn't start it's massive invasion after that vortex was formed and didn't have any reason to stop after the vortex was destroyed considering oddly enough despite being an abyssal invasion we didn't see any high ranking abyss monsters only low level hilicurls and rift hounds and the occasional abyss mage and no high ranking members like harelds and lectors or even serpents just some enemies that the adventurers book recognize as common while the actual abyss higher ups weren't on the ground to even command the forces just randomly attacking randomly and their game plan was just keep attacking until they overwhelm natlan like i didn't know the abyss has kokomi as rule model for good strategist just take the high ground stop any transport balloons and isolate the weaker fronts what do you gain from capturing the beach first it's not like a port that has important supply routes it's just a beach the only logical explanation was just to kill people with no further goal just animalistic bloodshed in the name of bloodshed there is no way the abyss twin signed up on this invasion just to kill people i think her goal was to get an archon to use her power to cleaverly get beyond the false sky for some bigger goal especially after she realized that the heavenly principals are inactive
Aeon of permanence video would be greatly appreciated 👏🏽. Also to note that your analytical view on the fake sky of teyvat is very spot on . Keep up the good work 👏🏽.
It is really enteresting how details and hidden bits keep crossing the hoyo universe, some of them obvious, some less, going many times unnoticed. I think some references might just be born as marketing devices but still, I think the developers/writers are doing quite a good job keeping it the right degree of mysterious yet engaging at the same time, within their purpose! I loved the video, very well done! It might be a little thing, but, thank you, thank you, thank you for the part about the "canon" character being either of the siblings! I think too many people fixate on the visual representation in the battle pass sequence (which is now sadly gone by the way T_T) without realizing that what Venti is narrating is just an allegory, a myth, and the visual representation is just meant to distinguish the two "heirs" visually, only to distinguish them, for convenience, not a faithful depiction of it. I really loved to see someone finally gets it! :)
@li-say yes I agree keeps the game intriguing and 100% agree I think genshin lore can be tricky to navigate but the BP trailer and the siblings is one area where the fans make it more complicated then it actually is since venti says its our story, Happy you enjoyed the video thank you 😊
This reminded me of how Raiden Shogun wanted to cut Inazuma off from the rest of Teyvat so time would stand still for eternity and to not become advanced like khaenri'ah but because she wasn't present at the cataclysm, she doesn't know exactly why they were nuked other than the abyss. Makes me wonder if she knew what happened would she have taken more drastic measures in Inazuma. I also wonder if the other Archons know about Natlan's ley lines and the abyss.
Not to mention that Kiana Kaslana (Herrscher of the Void) looks a lot like the sustainer of the heavenly principles at the very start of Genshin Impact
The Story - is a one and main reason why i am still playing Genshin...(i still have fun to collect and build characters, but Stooorryyy❤!) Hope the ending will be interesting🤞 Thanks for video - really ordered and clear for understanding😍
What I want to see Is a possibility in which the Heavenly Principles that have been painted as the Devil during all the story to be actually the ones that are doing the most to protect everyone, like for now we haven´t even see any redeeming qualities for them, everyone is cheering any side that opposes them so It would be nice to see a twist there, maybe It´s cause I love this kinda twists
They are good tho, the people in game just don't know about the heavenly principles and think they are trapped but the primordial one is actually protecting teyvat. Enkanomiya understood this, they said the world was separated from the universe with an eggshell. Even Alice us helping the primordial one by enforcing and protecting the borders of teyvat. Apparently the outside universe is dying, this was said by one of the Hexenzirkel members. So the primordial one is protecting everyone from dangers. It's just that people inside of teyvat doesn't understand this and paints the heavenly principles as bad people
@@Pre4xes_ The Fontaine quest shows that they are strict and do not tolerate people choosing their own fate. All of Fontaine was going to drown and people turned back to Oceanids with Furina standing alone.
@@th0r0shvener52 what egeria did was a sin according to the heavenly principles. So they made the prophecy so every human turns to their original form again. The shade of life exists for a reason. I know they are strict but they are still good/gray people. There are the whole reason teyvat hasn't been destroyed.
@Pre4xes_ they won the exclusive rights to creation through usurping the Sovereigns. It was through sheer force. The whole point of Fontaine was that The Gods are unworthy of calling themselves just. They have no right to tell Egeria whether she sinned for creating, since they stole that power in the first place. Focalors "deception" is merely justice restored for the original authority of this planet.
subscribed for your work! 12:15 I believe is the reference of tower of babel No one can escape teyvat because we are trap in the the world. escape teyvat is defying the "heavenly principle" the door from the start is an exit which act like pandora box. teyvat is a lucid dream
If anybody is a true Genshin fan, they know Paimon is gonna have a crazy identity in the story! She’s definitely gonna be a huge deal regarding this whole thing. I just find it a big coincidence that she’s the first thing we see after waking up 500 years later
About the twins, if the theory of the "time loop" is true, it would mean that both Lumine and Aether were prince/princesse so both are canon, we are just playing a different time loop. I don't know if what I say holds ground but that would be my interpretation
Man I already love ur videos and now u play Majora’s Mask’s astral observatory theme to play while talking about the fake sky and fate?!?! That was an amazing detail, really! I love both Zelda and Genshin so it hit really hard, thanks a lot for the amazing content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Happy someone noticed haha love LOVE Zelda used to make Zelda content back in the day my first video on this channel actually too but appreciate the nice words :)
@@TheGamerChronicles999 I’m still watching and being totally blown out by the reality of what’s finally happening in the game’s lore now! Our entrance in Khaenri’ah draws ever closer, and with it the “truth of this world”, really I can’t take this anymore, I might buy Elden Ring or something just to be able to contain the hype 😅 at this point even if u upload a 3h video I’m gonna watch it entirely!
@@ImaginatorPage Haha ya Eldin Ring or Xenoblade only thing that drives me insane about genshin is the waiting but its also nice to have stuff to look forward to! If they could remaster Twilight Princess for the switch that would also be great!
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Yeah totally, TP is one of my favorites, I played the HD on the Wii U but would definitely play it again on the switch, I miss Ordon Village a lot, as well as controlling the stone statues with the Dominion Rod! And about the waiting for Genshin’s updates yep it kills me too but I know that one day it’ll all be worth it, in a couple years we’ll have the entirety of Teyvat available, the lore and secrets revealed, and hopefully our sibling by our side again
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Sorry for so many replies but I just reached the end of the video and THE WORLD TREE THEME FROM XENOBLADE 2 KICKED IN- that’s it I’m done, man ur a LEGEND I really mean it
Please, delve more in HI3 I know the chapters sometimes can be heavy to experience since the gameplay is not very smooth but there is a lot more in common between HI3 and Genshin than Genshin and Star Rail. I'm gonna spoiler a little bit of HI3 so if you want to play the game don't read further: - Since the release of HOF Kiana I haven't seen a single theorycrafter talk about how the star shaped Pupil of kiana are the same as Kaenrians, The finality symbol is everywhere in Genshin, Primogems, Paimon headpiece, traverler dress, you name it. - The coocon of finality is a Giant eye with a star shaped Pupil on the moon. - The whole Kiana and moon thing has enough material for an hour long video expecially connected with genshin. - Dainsleif is probably a Otto Expy (Where do I even star with this...) or if he is not, he has a brother that probably is (Where do I even start pt2). - The artifact sets have a direct corrispondence with herrschers names in CN with Kiana (Goblet), Bronya (Crown), Seele being the "Herrscher" of life and death (and being associated with Flowers). There's also Fu Hua, heavely associated with rebirth, fire and the main conduit for her powers are plumes. - The whole Sa character, and the "abyss of the sea of quanta" - Griseo and the Ark, also I believe there could be some dots to connect even with Kosma. Those are just food for thoughts and things I feel are connected with genshin but I don't have the time to research, hope someone find them interesting enough to delve into them. I also Hope that the next patch will not pull a "final lesson" on us because I swear I have suffered enough emotional damage with Masquerade of the guilty.
I really really think that Teyvat is just a simulation, that the guy who experimented to create Kiana to ressurect Sirin was trying to experiment to see if he could create a system where honkai could not destroy or even contaminate, i do remember something about this guy creating poket universes, people on the Honkai Impact world was always trying to figure out how to avoid Honkai. Because there are so much similarities of Archons and Herrchers, and laws of Teyvat similar with the powers we saw in Honkai Impact, now we see that Teyvat is something isolated, or maybe, Teyvat is a planet where someone in Honkai came (a descender) to study and discover its elemental rules and leylines that could purge Honkai or help him control or avoid honkai so he turned the entire planet into a "shell" for him to experiment and stablished rules and rulers
I know the lore of all 3 games can be abit much and mixing the lores can get overwhelming especially if you dont play all the games but I'm curious what you all think of the false sky what purpose it serves for people within and what lies beyond 😊
Hmm, regarding your explanation on around 49:29 about the ouroboros and the devourers of the worlds, what do you think about the fact that Dainsleif’s constellation has been confirmed by hoyo on the chinese character card to be ouroboros 🤔 @TheGamerChronicles999
Maybe it really is an ‘ark’
Imagine you go to celestial and you can only play at The traveler because the other characters are linked to this simulated world you can't play anyone else but the traveler
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The broken sky is crazy and all, but what’s crazier? millions of swarm insects coming out of the hole in the sky
Oh hell nah. NOT THE SWARM!!! 😂
Yooo that is overkill 💀💀
Firefly save me! Trash raccoon, save me! Ruan Mei, stopppp!
Yup
Perfect nightmare
Now I need my imbibitor lunae 😂
Fuk not even neuvillette would be able to stop them XD
It would be quite funny if Traveler becomes Akivili. Akivilis homeplanet is suppoused to be isolated and it is named "Pegana" that is probably reference to book "The Gods of Pegāna" which is fantasy novel about multiple gods living in Pegāna, which would fit Teyvat pretty well, since there are so many gods there too.
The traveller isn’t from Teyvat
Wait you’re onto something. Akivili and their followers “the nameless” well guess who Teyvat does not know the name and we’ve learned this because of the “we will be reunited quest” between the twins : the traveler, we know now they use a nickname only them know the name of each others. To the rest of the world they’re nothing more than travelers in Teyvat. And we have further proofs that at least the two universes of HSR and GI are truly connected.
“Countless shooting stars streak across the night sky... If you can pick the right one, it will carry your wish to thousands of distant worlds." Adrian smith (Honkai star rail fable of the stars, about AKIVILI) that line always struck me because it is also made me think about genshin wishing system, the sibling also arrive to Teyvat in forms of shooting stars.
"I believe on the other side of the Starry Sea is a planet inhabited by gods who can answer all prayers and wishes, and everyone bearing a wish is on a journey to get there.” (Vera’s melancholy book in genshin impact)
I like the idea of the traveler ascending to Aeon hood after Teyvat chapter.
I thought of that but the way the HP bullied us at the start of the game makes me think we arent strong enough to br an aeon unless... this is how we become one?😮
@@mirawaismehmood4520 If Traveler becomes an Aeon by connecting Teyvat to the larger universe, people would probably think that is what they are from.
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Yeah, connecting Teyvat into the larger universe would be very big act of Trailblaze, maybe that could be thing that ascends them?
Colombina be like: let's see if you are worthy enough to walk among angels😈
I kinda agree hoyo are professionnal at hiding thing at plain sight, i mean look at the events when mika said that capitano had blue glowing eyes and then capitano himself tell us he's from kaenhria :P
also not to mention that he has a huge star on his head LMAOOOOO
@@poggerinochampion yup, alots of poeple including me passed all those evidence Lol
Damn I did not expect to get featured in a video. Thanks for the shoutout! Anyway here are some mistakes you made I will point out: (common misconceptions due to EN misinterpretation from CN text)
The Imaginary Tree is a representation of the universe. Worlds in the Honkaiverse are around the size of a solar system, each being separated by barriers of imaginary energy that cannot be traversed through without being an Emanator, Aeon, or possessing certain FTL technology. The reason many people mistakenly consider "worlds" as universes is due to old EN misinterpretations within HI3rd. The original CN text follows the "1 universe, many worlds" rule.
The Honkai stems from the Cocoon of Finality. The Honkai is NOT a test to determine whether a world should be pruned, it is a test for humanity to evolve and eventually embrace the Cocoon of Finality. The CoF is a higher dimensional being, which Dr. MEI theorised to have come into existence via an alien civilisation merging itself with their planet. Essentially, the Cocoon put the Sol. System in a bloody cycle of trial and error over the course of millions of years. Each time Humanity succumbed to the Honkai the Cocoon would turn back time and restart the clock, allowing for a "new" humanity emerge again only to eventually face the Honkai as they grow more and more advanced. This cycle would eventually be broken due to Elysia's existence being a "glitch in the system", allowing for the creation of Herrschers that choose to fight for Humanity to exist. This cycle was done because the Cocoon is estimated to have been around for billions of years, and thus had become extremely lonely as no other beings were able to properly communicate with them due to being in a higher plane of existence. We do know Honkai is not restricted to one world alone thanks to the Sky People, so it may be possible more than one Cocoon of Finality exists in the universe, as the Cocoon is only able to affect 1 world at a time.
It seems like things were going that way until the aftermath of Sa's boss battle. Not impossible that she would've became something akin to the Cocoon after some time( a lot of it).
I could imagine Genshin pt 2 dealing with the aftermath. After all, the Ark is supposed to open eventually
Capitano refers Lumine as "The princess" so yeah, that pretty much confirm Lumine is the princess that went to the abyss
Probably adopted by king irmin
Alberich also refer to her/him as "princess/prince of kahenriah
yeah i mean we've known the other sibling is the abyss prince(ss) for years
He also says prince if lumine is ur cannon character
OH MY GOD. THE GAMER CHRONICLES 1 HOUR LORE VIDEO 10 MIN AGO?? AM LIVING BABY!! (Hoping for a Columbina vid soon too!) Thanks for all the work you put in, it's always so interesting watching thease!
That one is my next one 100%
@@TheGamerChronicles999 WOOOOOOO YAAA
remember that still to this day no playable character has a P in their name. there is just paimon, the primordial one, phanes, primos... there is something going on
Pulcinella is confirmed to be playable, though.
bru what
@@randomstranger3963 bruh I hope not 😭
@@SagwaCar why not bru? I'm down playing as a tiny grandpa
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You have to think about the abyss as an invisible ocean. On the ocean there exists lilly pads. One of those pads had someone land on it and they created a huge dome that covers a portion of it. Whatever is inside the dome is still thriving and full of life. Outside the dome is a dead area.
Beings can travel from pad to pad using the abyss. The abyss is constantly trying to drown the pad and the pad drinks the abyss in order to maintain itself. It’s a back and forth.
The sky people are running across a dead universe because they’re being chased by the Honkai. They happened upon the dome and they broke in and took over. The dome is currently keeping them safe while they steal all the resources and leave Tevat as dead as the rest of the universe.
Fatui will destroy the dome and allow the Honkai to fight the Sky People. Once they’re defeated the Will of the Honkai will reverse the universal damage and reignite the dead star so that the area outside the dome can sustain life again
Literally this. Been screaming this for ages. People been calling me mental LOL.
@@Iceyicez I told everyone the story of Genshin almost 4 years ago online and I got flamed so hard I just left it alone. Here we are and I was correct. Honestly if people just assemble the clues from HI3 and Genshin it’s all there.
Down the road we will welcome the Star Rail travelers back to help us restore the dead universe
Very well said and I think alot of it is because people dont play all the games but this is a very cool way to bring people from all games together we're seeing that with Hsr and Hi3 with their collabs before long genshin will join them
@@TheGamerChronicles999 I’d like to add that I think Tsaritsa has two plans. One is to blow up the dome and allow the fight to happen. And the second part is to freeze Tevat with the Honkai trapped inside. I think she believes she can spare future universes from fighting the Honkai if she traps it
I also believe it won’t be necessary. Once the Will has explained itself she will make peace with its existence
@@robertsanssouci2093Right? I'm just dying to actually see the connection between Paimon and Unknown God. Kiana and HoV based off of all four of their colors alone lmao.
And the fact that Paimon, Unknown God, and Phanes all have a serpent around their leg lol.
I haven't played much HSR. I only got into it to find more missing links like Akivili.
Honestly, this was probably one of the most convincing theories I've seen. I really love how you put it all together starting from yhe beginning to where we are now, and how it connects to the Honkai games.
If you think about it. The advanced dragon civilization in Natlan maybe Teyvat's Vidyadhara or a species very similar to them. 🤔
when we learnt that neuvilette is a hydro sovereign reborn, my mind immediately came to vidyadhara
No.. All dragons in the hoyo universe are Long's scions.
As Long the Aeon is the Progenitor of all dragons.
That is said with heavy consequences.. Meaning that all dragons are the Progeny of Long.
I find it really interesting that out of all the nations in Teyvat, only the history of the Shogun's second story quest would survive. Now that I think about it, the very purpose of the Yae Publishing house was to foster writing and literacy throughout the people of Inazuma. Yae Miko even says in her voice lines that she views the stories that people write and pass down as a form of eternity. It could very well be that the stories of Inazuma outlasted the histories of the other nations by the time the ICP arrives.
Edit: I meant IPC lol
It's not necessarily the only one found. It's just found. There could be more.
Generally there are three ways for Civilization to deal with Honkai:
1. Complete Rejection: Venus and PE approach. Just fight them head on. Generally result in failure.
2. Evacuate to Simulated Universe: Digitize everyone and have them live in sufficiently advanced quantum computer, advanced enough it's considered Bubble World, not 'just' simulation. Mars approach, and roughly comparable to Project Stigma. Actual world still get destroyed, which result in Cocoon move on to next planet.
3. Embrace with Cocoon: Kiana and CE approach. Gain power from Cocoon and wield Finality power.
I find it interesting that multiple times you were talking about how genshin is a simulated universe and how HSR One of the endgame content is called simulated universe and how herta made simulated universe and with the reveal of the possibility of what her real body looks like it looks very similar to a witch and a witch of the hexan circle is known for traveling outside of Teyvat as well as the fact that most simulated universe are based on a historical event that happened. So what if Genshin is just a simulated universe that is trying to recover the past of what happened in Tayvet
@@SeiichirouUtabro you just make me think more and more 😂 and i like it, i like the universeeee and can't wait for the assemble from other sisters game 😂
Wow, ngl that would be such a plottwist!
If we are speaking Genshin being a canonical part of the star rail universe, then there is one theory I'd like to bring up made by Wei. This theory suggests that the Traveler is an Aeon or will become one, specifically Akivili, or at the very least connected with the Astral express. First of all, there is a suspicious amount of symbols on the Traveler's clothes that is also on the Astral Express train. Take a good look at the male traveler and the Astral Express Train. The color scheme is exactly the same, both share the pattern called "Fluer de lis", which you can see on the Traveler's little round circle at the belt of the pants and on the shoulder pads, while Fluer de lis is present on the front of the Astral express on the right side of the circle on the front.
Zhongli likens the Traveler as observers in Teyvat. Dan Heng refers to the nameless as observers of countless worlds.
Akivili is latin corruption of Aquila, and in Genshin, there's a weapon called "Aquila Favonia". Aquila Favonia is the weapon of Vanessa, one of the four winds. Now Venti becomes important. Nahida, the last official archon to release, has already had 2 story quests. Venti, the first ever banner five star, has only had his one, and he is an Archon. You'd expect him to be more important? He is. Venti asks us at the end of the Mondstadt quest that once we find our sister, if we would like to become one of the four winds. A god, basicly. This is a super early foreshadowing of Traveler's ascension to godhood, or perhaps Aeonhood
First of all, look at the traveler's character profile. "The Keeper is fading away (Dainsleif, the bough keeper probably), the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend." Ascend to become a god or Aeon likely. If you take a look at Venti's statue in mondstadt, you'll see symbols. If you flip it, it litterally spells out "The gateway of Celestia". Venti's second quest can only come once we're ready to become a god.
However, this character profile can also be interpreted as the ascension to become a loom of fate, because Traveler's final character profile is litterally called "Loom of fate" and Dainsleif says that if we defeat him at the end of our journey, the threads of all fate are ours to weave. So, the Aeonhood theory might be less credible because of this, however, It is scary that how much of paralells you can draw towards the Traveler and Akivil.
The theory is here if you want to see it:ua-cam.com/video/D1sax7kJ06E/v-deo.html
One giveaway for Teyvat being a simulated Universe is the millisecond you go into the menu. If you watch closely you can see a wiremesh of the world before it loads the Character menu. A wiremesh for a world based on polygons. A game. This is a very odd stylistisc choice for the overall art style of Teyvat. I only noticed it myself because the game froze for a second while loading.
There's a very interesting dialogue in Honkai Star Rail that I've always felt is a reference to Teyvat, the false sky and the Irminsul "database."
If you go to the Divination Commission, near the place where you can regularly talk to Fu Xuan, there's a "Matrix Manager" named Huixing who says:
"Xianzhou had once visited a world where the residents used something called an Aquascope to scry into the future. That thing was even more accurate than the Matrix of Prescience, and our exploration team couldn't help but pore ourselves into researching this technology. We later came to realize that this Aquascope was no mystery at all. That world simply has a limited amount of information. There wasn't much computational power and data input needed to predict the future there. In comparison, the Luofu sails through galaxies of stars, not a machine-esque world as predictable as a complex clockwork of unerring precision."
I think this very obviously refers to the scryglass Mona and other astrologists use to read fate in Teyvat, but we know that fate is determined by the false sky or Irminsul, which fits the description of a "machine-esque clockwork world." If the IPC stumbled upon this "Tevyat," it's plausible that the Xianzhou also did at some point.
About samsara cycles,nahida straight up tells us that teyvat is in a loop,not to mention that there was this note that specificied which samsara cycle teyvat was in and that note was in fontaine,as i remember clearly.
Not to mention that sumeru probably forshadows teyvats Fate if we see how we are in a loop in the sumeru archon quest,i wanted to say that teyvat wasn't real but a dream but then i realized that ipc discovered it soo my point crumbles down,but we are definitely on a loop that's for sure.
I think we are in the 6th samsara of Teyvat
Hang on, what do you mean the IPC discovered it?
@@novalytyxp well as in the game evidence that was shown in they video,since ipc can see teyvat and even get information that means the planet actually exists and that's where my point crumbles about it being a dream.
@@voidraid3867 It can still be a dream, the same way penacony is a dream, but still a physical place inside the memory zone.
Think of King Deshret and Remuria, both of these civilizations aimed to make "eternal" lands free from the heavenly principles by using the dreams from their citizens, to mixed results.
@@qaztim11 oh my that's a good point actually,i didn't think that far,i thought it was only a dream but now i understand,thanks for the input
Listening to you talk about Genshin lore is an important part of my evening wind down ritual. Been listening for years!
Dude wtf you WORK for HOYOVERSE dont you!?!? Seriously not even finished yet but you're track record is so good that I have chills
I think pimon's memory and power of her past was erased and suppressed to hide her from greater threats, but her knowledge of the world was kept. What do y'all think?
I believe that the primordial one is on the golden throne (WH40k) and they created paimon as a lesser shade to go and guide the traveler because the first sibling failed, now paimon will have to guide the traveler towards a path that PO favours, in order to overthrow the heavenly principles and save teyvat from the abyss threat
In other words PO is on life support and they’re using paimon as guide for the traveler to not fall for the abyss
@@mitab1 could be something like that, but we'll have to wait and see.
Starting right now with the video and i need to say, as a lore enthusiast that loves deep dives in story’s with great depth, a dream come true with a movie like this. Thanks 🔥
Makes my day thanks 😊
At this point of the lore, we're just waiting for the Astral Express to arrive. Welt is enough to stop all this madness and solo everyone in Teyvat with a minature black hole. 💀
I’m a genshin fan boy through and through but I can’t argue with it.
那是个拟似黑洞，并不是真正的黑洞。
People hype up Welt far too much without knowing what he's actually capable of ISWTG. He's strong but he's NOT ANYWHERE near the strongest in HI3 and he sure as hell isn't soloing everyone in Teyvat when his "black hole" isn't even real and can't even scratch the moon
@@adancingcat7473 so true, people hype the shit put of welt but he's barely moon level. I bet the primordial one is stronger than welt.
I dont think so. In the loading screen, we always see the phrase "Teyvat has it own rule". That can explain, if some entity entered Teyvat, they will be limited their power. Just like some Manhua, the guy from higher universe cant do anything if they enter Earth/or some lower power. That may be why Quantumm & Imaginary power almost dont exist in Teyvat, or exist but super tiny, like what we see in fontaine. So i think Welt cant do anything, even if he used to be Herrscher of Reason
Thank you so much. I like to update my details of the lore/story of Genshin twice a year and yours are very detailed and well-made! Can't wait for the new lore Natlan quest gonna drop to us more in the future!
Now that you say paimon might be a moon sister, it’s so interesting how many characters in quests, events and even NPC’s ALWAYS call her a “ moon” and we are the sun.
YOO Paimon has little constellations appear when she's justing sitting there I think she might actually be part of what binds everyone you might be right never noticed that but had to look
Traveler has the effect too whenever you load him into your party. Just a tidbit.
About Ouroboros, there is a world quest in Enkanomiya about him, a place called "Serpent's heart"(the quest itself is called "The Heart of Ouroboros"). Also, the fissure in the dessert part of Sumeru, the first astronomical anomaly we see as travelers, can be literally seen in Tunigi Hollow before we clean the place. By that I mean you can stand on the Tunigi Hollow's center and look down on the literal tree that repels the Abyss.
Also I wonder if we can pin there Paimon being able to stop the time (esc button, Paimon appears, the time stops, but we still can hear the char's idle, silly no?) or how she basically is the in lore border of the world, silly how it gets foggy and Red when we approach it no?
found ur channel a few days ago. rlly respect the grounded factual approach to the lore without crazy theories
That is precisely what I want to do so happy you enjoy that 😊
I've found the best hoyoverse lore channel on yt, hands down. this video was AMAZING 👏🏾
This doesn't really have anything to do with this video but I'm commenting it here so it's more likely to be seen.
About the Traveller potentially becoming the pyro archon, I was watching an old video from a different youtuber and they talked about the twins connection to Lucifer and how Paimon follows us around and that the demon Paimon was the most loyal to Lucifer, anyway I'm not going to explain the whole thing but one of the things mentioned was that one some things say that Lucifer was a seraphim (angel with 6 wings) and that while Seraphim's power sometimes extend to light it is mostly connected to fire. Plus someone in the comments said that the twins wings in the game files were called seraphwings.
Anyway if the Traveller does become the pyro archon (god of fire) I thought this was an interesting connection.
may be cool, but would be cooler if we get both travelers eventually. both fighting at the same time, that kind of a mechanic would be entirely unique and cool
I am only in the beginning of your video, but I think the gnosis are being collected for the traveler. Death is a rule. The shades enforce the rules of Teyvat. Whoever is in control of Teyvat controls what the rules are. The gnosis are going to amplify all our powers. We are part of a prophecy to reweave Teyvat’s fate. We will undo the original curse. And then we will hand the power over to the people. The archons have been farming the will of the people into the gnosis via visions. Just like the contending fire. The last enemy will be something from space, but I don’t think it will be the honkai.
Further in now. I don’t think the HP and PO are the same. I think the HP is the second descender and the PO is dead or in process of reincarnation via Paimon. You cooked with this though! Great video!
Yeah that could be the 2nd who came is my next option on who the sustainer is and PO in rough shape forsure but thanks appreciate that!
Correction: Himeko in Hi3 is not even a Herrscher. But, that broken bits of greatsword was from her battle in the void space where it could have probably drifted into the Sea of Quanta.
@@rinz5027 She was the herrscher of 🔥
There are 2 Himeko in Hi3 and 1 of them is a Herrscher.
@@dashhound8974 The Himeko you're thinking about is PE Himeko she turned into the Herrscher of fire. The current era Himeko wasnt.
Himeko wore a suit that matched the powers of the hershey of the void
It's arguable that she WAS a Herrcher or at least on a comparable level for a brief moment, remnants of her mind being saved in the core (which was powering her suit) imply that she was truly connected to it even if only for long enough to save Kiana.
that’s one thing i’ve been thinking about. there are no “bad” guys, it’s all been a matter of perspective and knowledge. the same way the captains and mavuika’s ideologies oppose each others because of their different histories.
when we started we thought the fatui were just an evil entity, but the more we learn, the more we see they feel slighted by “fate” and are just trying to change it the way they know best. to destroy this false sky. But do they know the full repercussions of these actions.
I do think the primordial one established the fake sky as an act of love to protect the world from what’s beyond. but as these actions have been lost to time, so has the understanding of it.
i don’t know who’s ultimately right, but burning irminsul would be akin to rewriting the night kingdom. is it OK for all that history to just be lost, so we can experience the darkness beyond the fermament?
knowledge is power, but just like when Adam and Eve ate the apple, it came at a price. to be cast out, to introduce sin and pain. is this knowledge worth it, or is ignorance bliss?
Pretty much the only ones that’s evil are the 5 sinners which most likely are using the traveler sibling when the loom of fate is complete
@@jeffdcgamer1077 even then, the 5 sinners likely are very curious people who were in over their heads. likely finding out they’re in a “simulation” drove them to find out the truth, which invited i the abyss. maybe they’re battling their own corruption
@@demkadeemum from what i remember the sinners turned their back on their nation, they had the power to overcome their problems and they chose out of selfishness to not do so, i remember Dain saying that. so nah f them ho3s
@@jeffdcgamer1077 There is NO information in the game about Sinners being evil. Their only bad deed at the moment is that they had is not help Khaenri'ah, but Dainsleif by the way has the same sin according to Twin, which he did not try to deny. And we know that Gold suffers from severe mental problems because of which she rarely can think straight and she maybe tries to destroy all her creatures when she can think straight, one of evil Sinners by the way. And Sinners have no confirmed connection with the Abyss Order, even Vedrfolnir, because of which this order appeared, has no confirmed connection with them, from what we know, he just helped a couple of Hilichurls and Caribert's father who accidentally wandered into his shelter, free themselves from fate and curse, which does not look like an evil act, also Look of Fate already completed.
This video is blowing my mind! I'm left feeling just so amazed by it all. I'm so thankful to hoyo's writers and all the lore theorists out there giving me such an incredible experience time and time again. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts so well. I'm looking forward to your next video! (super interested in Long the Permanence btw)
Happy you enjoyed it thank you very much :)
It’s been connected to Honkai it’s even connected to the MoonSister game made by Hoyoverse years ago and According to the books in Genshin One Moon Sister remains and Raiden is also connected to a Shade
Moonsister game?
I feel like the loading screen is the "bridge" between teyvat and celestia. When the traveler and their twins were about to go to the "next world" which could have been celestia, the "sustainer of heavenly principals" shows up and traps them in those red squares/cubes. As they completely covered the twins, it seemed as if they weren't affected by the cubes being around them other than the fact they were immobilized (this reminds me of the crimson threads that arlecchino immobilized the traveler with during their duel).. and that feels like the cubes have a sort of depth to them that makes it so the traveler's didn't just get squished. This "depth" I'm trying to explain could very well be the world of teyvat.. and all the "sustainer of heavenly principals" had to do was use their power to open a hole in the sky. "And now, I'm trapped here"
definitely agree with the dragon sovereigns being descendants of Long the Permanence because the vidyadharas in HSR are descendants of Long and they don't die, just reborn, like Neuvillette
This video really just proves what I love about Hyv games, they really do put details with meanings even up to in-game functions like shops
Exceptional, ambitious and quality is an understatement, such a phenomenal presentation, analysis, and production!
OMG for anyone who loves exploring lore THIS IS JUST AMAZING. Thank you sooo much for this video!
One knows they are truly your fan when the words that arent really words (in this video, "davel" and "substained") just blend in and are hardly noticeable anymore ❤ always blown away by your brilliant mind. Thanks for the most fascinating video yet.
Believe the second who came was the abyss and the primordial one seal teyvat away to save it but the second one is slowly creeping in. Because it looked awfully abyssal filled up on the sky
The boy whose eyes and soul are golden like the sun, thy name is Nara Traveler. The pearl in the moonlight, pure as silver, thy name is Paimon. -Arayasa in Aranara questline just before they're about to sing
the Aranara also mention "Cannot blow him (The Traveler) away, the Ad Oblivione" something related to Thousand Winds/Mare Jivare and Istaroth perhaps
The purpose of our journey in Teyvat? Our sibling urges us to learn the truth of this world, perhaps that is also why the Heavenly Principles allowed us to live and kept us in Teyvat. Maybe they want us to experience and understand what Teyvat truly is so we can take up their mantle and rule over Teyvat in their stead. If they really have been corrupted and can’t continue holding control over the world they will need a successor.
Our sibling was released first, but chose to side with the Abyss and thus would be opposed to keeping Teyvat closed off from the rest of the universe.
We are now on our journey, and I think it’s likely that our experience is quite different from our sibling.
My thought is that we will choose to protect the world and keep the place we have come to care about safe from the harm beyond the false sky.
Maybe it is why we were sent Paimon as well. Our “guide” that helps us connect with the world we are exploring.
This is just what thoughts I had when watching the video. I have only been playing for 5 1/2 months and have tons of content to get through, but I fell in love with the story and lore and couldn’t help but watch videos like this. I’m also unfamiliar with the other games and doubt that I will ever play them. I just wanted something to occupy my time and looked for a fantasy RPG game that had lots of content and a story that I could get lost in. Combat was completely new for me and video games in general so I admittedly struggle, but I am enjoying myself and absolutely fascinated with just how deep and complex the lore really is.
0:00 you know big dawg was surprised the Captaino was also from Khaen”rah like Pierro and Dain and my theory of him and Mavuika holding back was confirmed by Paimon of all people 😂😂
Paimon is the goat
Yeah would of loved to see him in his prime very curious how they continue his story
@@TheGamerChronicles999 oh they’ll probably do that in the next archon quest or if Hoyo REALLY had the balls make Captaino playable and have his story quest like we did with Father and her SQ in Fontaine
sure that may very well be a posibility that Nibelung became a decender, after all.. the decenders are just a status given to people carrying a will that can defy the laws of the world.
him going outside the borders of Teyvat to obtain power and getting confident beyond reason, could bring him up to that classification.
same as, just because you are not from Teyvat and "enter it's borders" does not make you a decender, as you do not fulfill the requirements for that specific status
2:51 wow paimons voice was SO much more bearable why has she been choking on helium for years after that??
No frr😭.
As i remember, the VA had problems keeping that tone so mihoyo just told her to make a higher pitch.
jp VA has a naturally higher tone of voice, so she sounds why more bearable. but her actual speaking voice outside the character is sooo much more pleasant
As someone who only plays genshin, and is otherwise just vaguely familiar with the imaginary tree and sea of quanta, this is pretty much the line of thinking ive been at. Particularly I think dendro appearing more digital than biological is a sign pointing to teyvat being a synthetic world. I've got 2 points for food for thought:
1. Is I've always kind of thought Alice might actually be from Alice in Wonderland. Like the same Alice, who kept travelling between story book worlds. Simulanka added a lot of interesting implications with that idea. I would curious what your thoughts are there.
2. The other is something I didnt think of til watching this video which is "Hexenzirkel" - while "Hexe" is obviously meant to mean witch, when you were mentioning them in the context of code, the sky and constellations representing peoples coded fate, I realized what if Hex is wordplay on hexidecimal - obviously this word play would only be in english/german etc. But I would be interested to know if there are any other wordplays in the CN and JP languages at least for the Hexenzirkel equivalent term that could be associated with code.
53:54 yes please do it. I, we appreciate your work!
This was the best genshin lore video I've seen! Very nice work and sub definitely earned
Nahhh cause this lore drop was crazyyyy
Yeahhh No If that's just a glimpse of what's outside I'm good in Tayvet. Please don't burn Irmnisul ;-;
Aether ultra confirmed to be the Canonical twin, imagine that
yup even the manhwa aether is the canon mc
Teyvat counts its eras as being ended by descenders... we're in the dying days of the 4th era. looking forward to how it goes.
Well Aether Will become the god king of Teyvat, the new Phanes
Now that you mention it, it's very interesting that we never throughout the whole Genshin travel even thought to ask about Paimon's origin or species nor do we get the choice to ask about her (it's like we got so accustomed to her from the start that we don't even care or something). We know that she's also affected by the changes in Irminsul, but she doesn't look or dress like anyone in Teyvat nor does she seem to know anyone or know Teyvat per se by which I mean she says that she's a guide, but as far as I remember she doesn't recognize nor know the way of getting to different places in Teyvat (we always need some local to say some place before Paimon mentiones we should go there or we have "another" guide to get somewhere). Even the Archons, witches from the Hexenzirkel, Khaenrians like Dain or Capitano and dragons seem to know or care about her (they know she's there with us, but dont seem to wonder and ask who she actually is). But the question is why did she appear when we started our journey and not when our sibling did and is her data in Irminsul (and if it is, why didn't Nahida say anything about her)? Also, do we know where Arlecchino is actually from or how she was created and "cursed"? Could she be another one of Rhinedottir's (idk if I spelled that correctly) "experiments" or maybe even a daughter of a Khaenrian and some other nation's person that was experimented on to get the "curse"? I guess that couldn't really be the case since that would mean she has to be at least 500 years old unless she's also an Alberich like Kaeya or one of the Sinners' daughter (I know it's a hard stretch, but we haven't seen any of the Sinners, as far as I'm aware, and we don't know what they've been doing since the Cataclysm).
One of the things I also wonder is if the city in the sky is actually the real Celestia and Teyvat is just some sort of a pocket dimension we get to by entering the door from the loading screen, where did the (Sustainer of) Heavenly principals come from in the very beginning and why isn't she in Celestia full time? And why did her portal have the same colours as her "corruption"? Could she be fighting another war while keeping an eye on Teyvat?
actually genshin has already collabed with honkai 3rd fischal is a playable valkyrie and kequin was playable in some levels but you couldnt acquire her
holy crap I forgot about that and I remember when fischal was added in hi3 that was earn on in GI wow slipped my mind haha
Thank you for such a long and interesting video!!😭🙏❤️
only one that makes sense consistently thanks for what u do love the firefly shoutout
Regarding the last 20 minutes or so:
It would be really cool once the games are tackling the same story arc or meta narrative, with each of them showing a specific moment in time
Genshin showing the Past
Honkai showing the Present
Star rail showing the future
With what Mavuika has said, Past present and future all happen at once, with each of them influencing and changing the others
ZZZ is also looking very interesting with the little nuggets of lore regarding the larger hoyoverse we are getting, although it is still very early on with the story, the hollow phenomenom is extremely similar to what happens to bubble universes that are being consumed by the sea of quanta.
I really like how Hoyo is handling this metarrative, they are building to something huge, but it might take another 3 (end of celestia arc at the earliest) or maybe even 10 years for us to see the walls come down.
I have never really gotten into any other Hoyoverse games just because Genshin has a simpler and less technological charm, and that's what most players fell in love with, so I really hope that they manage to connect the games without just making it high-tech computer simulation shenanigans. I loved your video tho, way to get me hooked on Genshin lore of all things loool
they are slowly reintroducing high tech in Genshin through the Natlan clans (especially Kinich and Xilonen), the Hexenzirkel (Alice bringing tech from the outside worlds) and Arlecchino glitching. Khaenriah is considered peak for the past since they made a perpetual motion machine. They also had live camera broadcast inside the big Rune Guards in Sumeru. You can use the camera as a targetting mechanism for the weapon systems onboard.
52:09 This aligns very well with how advanced Natlan is compared to other regions in Teyvat (as reflected thru Natlan characters' design), that their archon's power somehow caused that Honkai-ish portal in the sky.
the whole video i couldn’t take my eyes off the fact that the unknown god’s cubes and the squares when the fake sky was exposed are pretty much the same
What funny is that Genshin Dev are now introducing the HP lovecraft Cthulhu Mythos in the recently. Gosoythoth (play with letters similar to Tavyet- Teyvat) aka Yog-Sothoth The ALL Knowing, The Present Past and Future, The Gate and The Key to All...FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. If ppl know their Lovecradt lore Horror. The Heavenly Principle is someone very task ivery important or more possible the Root or the Genesis to ALL Honkai Multiverse. Imagine scary being like Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth lurking behind the scnene pulling all the string seeking Humanity destruction or worst the END of ALL.....Honkai Star Rail Universe and ZZZ will have to face this BEING AS WELL..... Imagine HONKAI BEAST CORE BEING IS THE MANIFESTATION OF YOG-SOTHOTH WILL AND CALLING FOR AZATHOTH AWAKENING.
There's one thing that really bothers me. If the twin traveler travels world after world, then they should be aware of what's happening outside of the Teyvat, right?
Do you think the twin was like a surveyor? Checking and searching on each planet that could potentially be the next victim of calamity or might be an invasion.
To these date, I still feel sus to the twins. Why are they traveling to another world, and why did the sustainer block them from leaving the teyvat? There's a possibility that the unknown god wants to prevent the vital information of teyvat escapes from them and discover their location.
Is suggested that the life of the twins is a fabricanted lie
Holy crap. The story is so good. Thanks for this video
There might be a darker truth. Abyss could be Lumines home world or whatever is left of it. It would explain why they have such unusual high resistance towards the corruption it would also explain why Aether is called the Prince of the Abyss, because they were probably royalties in their home world. Dainsleif strikes me as someone that is from another world entirely and was recruited by Irmin I think there is a high possibility that he is behind what happened in Khaenri'ah to stop whatever they were going to do to Lumine. Clothar sounds like they were going to do experiments on Lumine he says that they were looking for a loom of fate it's probably not an idea he got by himself rather something Khaenri'ah were trying to achieve as a nation.
We now know that Lumine came to Teyvat through teh abyssal gate and not with Aether and this information is crucial because she can be seen kneeling in the battlepass cutscene towards Irmin, and this is not something Aether does therefore he is unaffected by whatever he did to Lumine. It looks like she is about to be knighted after that everything flashes and we get a cut scene of a pearl with a snake around it, I bet my left toe that is supposed to symbolise Dainsleif. I believe Dain did it to save Lumine and I don't think he remembers what he did so he can't really tell her afterwards
I also firmly believe that there are two timelines in Genshin one that Lumine comes from were she is alive and one were Aether comes from were she is dead and the remnants inside the Gnosis. I think she uses the abyssal teleport to travel between both timelines.
This is explained by what Sustainer does in the beginning of the game a sort of reversed big bang it also explains why a lot of things are turned upside down this was her only solution to try to fix the timeline and send the siblings back to Teyvat.
@@catpoke9557 no the stars exist in teyvat they are the constellations or rather they are at the bottom of the sea floating you can see that in Monas event twice now. If you did Yoimiyas story quest part 2 the stars shoot from the ground upwards rather than falling down from the sky it means they are in the Abyss which strengthens the Abyss sibling connection
@@catpoke9557 Yeah but that is far from certain. They always say that they have recollections of things that happen in Teyvat. Frequently say things like " I remember doing this before I think I have been here before" Not to mention that Lumines flower is the National symbol for Khaenri'ah. Obviously needs a lot more context but you can expect that the siblings has A LOT in common with Teyvat.
@@catpoke9557 BUt that does not explain why Lumines flower is in Khaenri'ah does it. And why the yuse it as their national symbol. You also have the fact that the siblings are immune to the Abyss but why would they be that it makes no sense. If they are stars and divine why would they be immune to the abyss? It should be the opposite.
And a third fact they call the sibling Prince or Princess. But why would teh Abyss do that if it's an outlander, why would they look up to her/him unless the Abyss is related to their home planet?
Not to mention that it's a great plottwist that I am very certain that Hoyo is going with. We have seen the Abyss as the main enemy / villain the entire game. Imagine what happens if the traveller learns that the Abyss is their home planet and the reason why they came was to return home, but ended up in Teyvat instead.
It explains why Dainsleif stands in a field of flowers and Lumine talks about a field of flowers in her dream, it also means that Fontaine Sumeru are places from THEIR world not Teyvats they have just stolen the siblings memories
It fits with the siblings conviction to never give up and fight fate no matter what and why she is so protective of her sibling because she is afraid they are going to steal him/her memories too. She makes sure that when they meet nobody can overhear what they say in memories like during Cariberts quest for instance.
@@catpoke9557 But both things can be true at the same time. We know Descenders was fighting the Primordial one, and according to sun and moon they lost. We also know that an orphanage of descenders existed in Khaenri'ah because it's said in Perinheris story, it's not speculative it's already in the game. Khaenri'ah was at the border to other nations and people visited Teyvat before everything went to hell.
You're really going to ride that 'everything is connected ' horse until it's dead. Admirable. We will see what what the future holds.
I find Alice really fascinating, mostly because she is implied to be an "ascender", someone who is free to come and go as they please. She is also implied to have been to Earth, and unless it was some obscure bubble universe connected to the Earth, she is the direct connection to HI3
Cool fact you are still able to see the cracked moon in the sky after the archon quest. It is on the west side of the stadium
great video, watched the whole thing.
I has this observation regarding Chlothar Alberich. Remember Eula'a voicelines about Yanfei during the time when Yanfei was unknowingly escorting goods for the abyss from DORNMAN PORT, and was endangered for having a look into it, tahts when Eula saved her . The inportant part was most probably that thing she was supposed to escort was the Lost Statue of Seven that we later se hanged upside down in the We will be reunited quest. But if this is true we know that Chlothar was the one who ordered the Abyss to steal the Statue. So that would conclude that Chlothar didnt die 100s of years before but died very recently maybe 2-3 years ago and the one responsible to break his immortality curse was whatever he did to the Upside down Venti Statue that was flooding with Abyssal energy , remember even the Grand thief we saw kneeling down was killed. Most probably there was someone else involved in awakening something taht would revert the curse. Maybe Vedrfolnir was involved. Maybe if you remember in the Caribert Archon Quest in the end Dainsleif says that the one in the Crystal has most probably seen us traveling through our sibling's memories . That would mean Vedrfolnir is still active and maybe not in the form of a crystal but an actual body
The symbol on her chest is also sometimes used to represent the cycle of life. Life, death and rebirth. But hers is upside down, so it might represent rebirth, life, and then death. And we are essentially reborn having forgotten our memories
Bro I just found your channel and I’m addicted!! Is there a discord or any thing else to soak in all the lore goodness
Thank you! no don't have a discord but I do post fairly frequently here both genshin and hsr lore :)
@@TheGamerChronicles999 yes! Please keep going this video alone got me to play the other games outside of Genshin. But there’s so much in the world of teyvat already it’s hard to keep up but you deliver in such an entertaining way. I love it man 😁
I swear I thought a train was gonna pop outta there
My fav lore channel never disappoints
Whatever was broken behind the fake sky had the primordial sign
food for thought: what if Teyvat is underdeveloped because it is the first story. like you said it happened long ago and maybe it might be the final story also (rumours about a Genshin 2) and the reason the Abyss made it to Khaen'riah is not because they took tech from other civilizations but rather, they were the first technologically advanced civilizations. maybe in teyvat were playing memories of what happened eons ago. and maybe even the planet no longer exits in it's entirety. maybe parts of it were eventually destroyed by the Abyss
No one seems to talk about how Honkai Star Rail has a podcast discussing the discovery of a mini-universe that was theorized to have people in it, but that they weren’t able to contact them for unknown reasons. I believe this universe is Teyvat.
I watched the cutscenes of sky splitting open enough to realize something
The new abyss enemy was entranced and it takes the shape of enemies and phenomenas to barrow their skills and abilities and that vortex in the sky was similar to those enemies so here is my theory
What mavuika did wasn't turn the vortex into ash and opening a whole in a fake sky by accident but was actually a push shot that shattered the entity at the center of the vortex that was taking the shape of a moon possibly a crimson moon and mavuika broke that fake moon as it formed and pushed it beyond the false sky as a mean of stopping it's effect on natlan by being behind the protective barrier of a false sky a thing made by a god that is stronger than anything in tayvat and was only broken temporarily by the power of it's derivatives (a shade)
On top of that any massive celestial body can't remain broken for long as it's gravity will always pull it back together or get gravitated towards a greater celestial bodies that has stronger gravitational pull being absorbed to it in progress so the shatter moon we see was shattered relatively recently this could also be part of the abyss twin plan as well since that moon is now beyond the realm of tayvat and considering the size of the size of the moon chunks we saw it could house a small abyssal army with investigation goal in mind i mean the abyss didn't start it's massive invasion after that vortex was formed and didn't have any reason to stop after the vortex was destroyed considering oddly enough despite being an abyssal invasion we didn't see any high ranking abyss monsters only low level hilicurls and rift hounds and the occasional abyss mage and no high ranking members like harelds and lectors or even serpents just some enemies that the adventurers book recognize as common while the actual abyss higher ups weren't on the ground to even command the forces just randomly attacking randomly and their game plan was just keep attacking until they overwhelm natlan like i didn't know the abyss has kokomi as rule model for good strategist just take the high ground stop any transport balloons and isolate the weaker fronts what do you gain from capturing the beach first it's not like a port that has important supply routes it's just a beach the only logical explanation was just to kill people with no further goal just animalistic bloodshed in the name of bloodshed there is no way the abyss twin signed up on this invasion just to kill people i think her goal was to get an archon to use her power to cleaverly get beyond the false sky for some bigger goal especially after she realized that the heavenly principals are inactive
16:58 you could say he is 🗣📢 THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS 🔥🔥🔥
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Aeon of permanence video would be greatly appreciated 👏🏽. Also to note that your analytical view on the fake sky of teyvat is very spot on . Keep up the good work 👏🏽.
It is really enteresting how details and hidden bits keep crossing the hoyo universe, some of them obvious, some less, going many times unnoticed. I think some references might just be born as marketing devices but still, I think the developers/writers are doing quite a good job keeping it the right degree of mysterious yet engaging at the same time, within their purpose!
I loved the video, very well done!
It might be a little thing, but, thank you, thank you, thank you for the part about the "canon" character being either of the siblings! I think too many people fixate on the visual representation in the battle pass sequence (which is now sadly gone by the way T_T) without realizing that what Venti is narrating is just an allegory, a myth, and the visual representation is just meant to distinguish the two "heirs" visually, only to distinguish them, for convenience, not a faithful depiction of it. I really loved to see someone finally gets it! :)
@li-say yes I agree keeps the game intriguing and 100% agree I think genshin lore can be tricky to navigate but the BP trailer and the siblings is one area where the fans make it more complicated then it actually is since venti says its our story, Happy you enjoyed the video thank you 😊
watched the whole vid and loved it .
This reminded me of how Raiden Shogun wanted to cut Inazuma off from the rest of Teyvat so time would stand still for eternity and to not become advanced like khaenri'ah but because she wasn't present at the cataclysm, she doesn't know exactly why they were nuked other than the abyss. Makes me wonder if she knew what happened would she have taken more drastic measures in Inazuma. I also wonder if the other Archons know about Natlan's ley lines and the abyss.
This was so good I actually saved the video to look at at the end of the game
Not to mention that Kiana Kaslana (Herrscher of the Void) looks a lot like the sustainer of the heavenly principles at the very start of Genshin Impact
The Story - is a one and main reason why i am still playing Genshin...(i still have fun to collect and build characters, but Stooorryyy❤!) Hope the ending will be interesting🤞
Thanks for video - really ordered and clear for understanding😍
What I want to see Is a possibility in which the Heavenly Principles that have been painted as the Devil during all the story to be actually the ones that are doing the most to protect everyone, like for now we haven´t even see any redeeming qualities for them, everyone is cheering any side that opposes them so It would be nice to see a twist there, maybe It´s cause I love this kinda twists
They are good tho, the people in game just don't know about the heavenly principles and think they are trapped but the primordial one is actually protecting teyvat. Enkanomiya understood this, they said the world was separated from the universe with an eggshell. Even Alice us helping the primordial one by enforcing and protecting the borders of teyvat. Apparently the outside universe is dying, this was said by one of the Hexenzirkel members. So the primordial one is protecting everyone from dangers. It's just that people inside of teyvat doesn't understand this and paints the heavenly principles as bad people
@@Pre4xes_ The Fontaine quest shows that they are strict and do not tolerate people choosing their own fate. All of Fontaine was going to drown and people turned back to Oceanids with Furina standing alone.
@@th0r0shvener52 what egeria did was a sin according to the heavenly principles. So they made the prophecy so every human turns to their original form again. The shade of life exists for a reason. I know they are strict but they are still good/gray people. There are the whole reason teyvat hasn't been destroyed.
@Pre4xes_ they won the exclusive rights to creation through usurping the Sovereigns. It was through sheer force. The whole point of Fontaine was that The Gods are unworthy of calling themselves just. They have no right to tell Egeria whether she sinned for creating, since they stole that power in the first place. Focalors "deception" is merely justice restored for the original authority of this planet.
subscribed for your work!
12:15 I believe is the reference of tower of babel
No one can escape teyvat because we are trap in the the world.
escape teyvat is defying the "heavenly principle"
the door from the start is an exit which act like pandora box.
teyvat is a lucid dream
If anybody is a true Genshin fan, they know Paimon is gonna have a crazy identity in the story! She’s definitely gonna be a huge deal regarding this whole thing. I just find it a big coincidence that she’s the first thing we see after waking up 500 years later
About the twins, if the theory of the "time loop" is true, it would mean that both Lumine and Aether were prince/princesse so both are canon, we are just playing a different time loop. I don't know if what I say holds ground but that would be my interpretation
Took a two year break from genshin an man this a surprise
Saw a theory that the third sister is the spiral abyss because of the moon theme repeating there as well.
It also would make sense why Celestia moved.. almost like the world is being updated literally.
Man I already love ur videos and now u play Majora’s Mask’s astral observatory theme to play while talking about the fake sky and fate?!?! That was an amazing detail, really! I love both Zelda and Genshin so it hit really hard, thanks a lot for the amazing content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Happy someone noticed haha love LOVE Zelda used to make Zelda content back in the day my first video on this channel actually too but appreciate the nice words :)
@@TheGamerChronicles999 I’m still watching and being totally blown out by the reality of what’s finally happening in the game’s lore now! Our entrance in Khaenri’ah draws ever closer, and with it the “truth of this world”, really I can’t take this anymore, I might buy Elden Ring or something just to be able to contain the hype 😅 at this point even if u upload a 3h video I’m gonna watch it entirely!
@@ImaginatorPage Haha ya Eldin Ring or Xenoblade only thing that drives me insane about genshin is the waiting but its also nice to have stuff to look forward to! If they could remaster Twilight Princess for the switch that would also be great!
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Yeah totally, TP is one of my favorites, I played the HD on the Wii U but would definitely play it again on the switch, I miss Ordon Village a lot, as well as controlling the stone statues with the Dominion Rod! And about the waiting for Genshin’s updates yep it kills me too but I know that one day it’ll all be worth it, in a couple years we’ll have the entirety of Teyvat available, the lore and secrets revealed, and hopefully our sibling by our side again
@@TheGamerChronicles999 Sorry for so many replies but I just reached the end of the video and THE WORLD TREE THEME FROM XENOBLADE 2 KICKED IN- that’s it I’m done, man ur a LEGEND I really mean it
nice theory watched the whole vid as well as subscribed
Please, delve more in HI3 I know the chapters sometimes can be heavy to experience since the gameplay is not very smooth but there is a lot more in common between HI3 and Genshin than Genshin and Star Rail.
I'm gonna spoiler a little bit of HI3 so if you want to play the game don't read further:
- Since the release of HOF Kiana I haven't seen a single theorycrafter talk about how the star shaped Pupil of kiana are the same as Kaenrians, The finality symbol is everywhere in Genshin, Primogems, Paimon headpiece, traverler dress, you name it.
- The coocon of finality is a Giant eye with a star shaped Pupil on the moon.
- The whole Kiana and moon thing has enough material for an hour long video expecially connected with genshin.
- Dainsleif is probably a Otto Expy (Where do I even star with this...) or if he is not, he has a brother that probably is (Where do I even start pt2).
- The artifact sets have a direct corrispondence with herrschers names in CN with Kiana (Goblet), Bronya (Crown), Seele being the "Herrscher" of life and death (and being associated with Flowers). There's also Fu Hua, heavely associated with rebirth, fire and the main conduit for her powers are plumes.
- The whole Sa character, and the "abyss of the sea of quanta"
- Griseo and the Ark, also I believe there could be some dots to connect even with Kosma.
Those are just food for thoughts and things I feel are connected with genshin but I don't have the time to research, hope someone find them interesting enough to delve into them. I also Hope that the next patch will not pull a "final lesson" on us because I swear I have suffered enough emotional damage with Masquerade of the guilty.
I really really think that Teyvat is just a simulation, that the guy who experimented to create Kiana to ressurect Sirin was trying to experiment to see if he could create a system where honkai could not destroy or even contaminate, i do remember something about this guy creating poket universes, people on the Honkai Impact world was always trying to figure out how to avoid Honkai. Because there are so much similarities of Archons and Herrchers, and laws of Teyvat similar with the powers we saw in Honkai Impact, now we see that Teyvat is something isolated, or maybe, Teyvat is a planet where someone in Honkai came (a descender) to study and discover its elemental rules and leylines that could purge Honkai or help him control or avoid honkai so he turned the entire planet into a "shell" for him to experiment and stablished rules and rulers
Ive been saying we are in the matrix from day one