"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like." - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) . Peter Jackson, interview GreenCine (Dec. 2002) - "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."
I don't understand how it feels natural to adapt a story but change it into a different story first. You aren't adapting anything if that's how you're going about it. Why don't they throw in some mass slashings that lead to sword control policy too since we're just randomly throwing in current politics??
"What the world actually looks like" So, instead of magic you have technology, instead of agricultural societies you have industrialization and urbanization, instead of loss of knowledge you have have an information age, instead of feudalism you have representative democracy... that's what you mean, right?
Fans: "The series is gonna be bad" Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen" Fans: "We've seen our share" Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen"
"Kill the past or you'll die with it" sounds very much like a threat. Besides, if we discard the past, how can we remember not to do all the stupid junk that we did there?
Precisely! They completely failed to understand the point of remembering the past. They’re just going to repeat all the old mistakes as well as make new ones, the twats they are.
Yeah it's a shortsighted dumb quote, the likes of which you are to find on some "inspirational' influencer's Instagram, it's cherry picking stuff that fits what they want to sell you. By the same quote we should just let LOTR stay dead in the past instead of allowing studios like Amazon to try and our nostalgia of the past for profits.
@@yashaoftheflames8475 they love using that phrase to separate people from their culture, their history, their children, their religion, from anything and anything that hinders the population from becoming their slaves.
When Jackson's team was making the armor for Gondor, one of the concept artists brought in a historical set of Italian plate armor so the creators could see exactly how the various pieces fit together and articulated so they could make the film armor as authentic as possible. That's how much care went into Lord of the Rings.
Another part I remember from the filming of two towers is when they wanted to put Arwyn (Yes I know it's spelled wrong) in the siege of helms deep when she was supposed to be in rivendell. There was a huge backlash from people working on the set and fans who found out about it. So they removed her from helms deep and kept her and rivendell. And they said that you don't have to put a sword in her hand to make her strong. There are other ways to be strong and support from afar.
There's even a couple shots where you can glimpse her in the final cut. The most prominent is one where the camera is focusing on Eomer toward the end of the battle, and you can see someone wearing pink and riding a white horse in the background.
I'm pretty sure the backlash wasn't about her being there, it was actually that poor Liv Tyler was just abysmal in the action scenes so they cut her out again. But I could be mistaken.
Arwen weaved the banner of Elendil which was used by Aragorn in the siege of Minas Ithil. Arwen was there in the battle, just not in the way feminists expect.
If I remember correctly, the entire purpose of Tolkien's work was to create a mythological past for his country because he lamented not having one. To now sell the message "kill the past" through his works seems like the ultimate betrayal of his vision.
That was his original intent, yes. Then he figured that was a tad too ambitious and settled on just writing good stories he himself would have liked to have read. He was still very protective of them, though, as is apparent from his letters, where he, among other things, scorched the film script proposal he was given.
@@AnnaMarianne His original intent? His entire work is an extension of Germanic/Norse mythology, in many cases literally copying those sources. Never mind intent, you would have to be illiterate not to understand that he was creating a mythology.
I’ve gotten really sick of the apologists for one thing or another telling people they can’t make a decision based on a teaser, a trailer, the first few episodes, or the first movie. Yes. We. Can. The studio has full control over what they produce and how they market it. Trailers aren’t stitched together by AI. The writers know what they’ve done with the first episode or first film. And none of us owe them viewership or support. If they don’t grab me early on, I’m under no obligation to continue. And that’s on them.
We are the customer, they are the seller. They need to SELL us on their product. They deserve no benefit of the doubt, no 3rd or 4th chances... If they want me to consume their product, they have to EARN it. Why should I spend my hard earned cash and valuable time on crap? I don't owe these producers and companies anything... they can suck my entire ass! This is like someone saying you can't decline to date someone because of how they look or what they do... Like no. To want me? SEDUCE ME!
Agreed... what baffles me is that we usually get the opposite: a cunningly and deviously crafted trailer that manages to convince the audience that the product is actually good, even if the full length stuff turns out to be disappointing. How many times I've been burned by trailers that stitch together the few good scenes a bad movie has. So, having the Rings of Power trailer be this bad ia definitely a huge red flag!
Anytime they bring up judging the trailer it just reminds me of Sonic and how they listen to their fans. These people don't care to listen it's just about what story they want to make and I'm sick of it it's not just this but everything.
@Neville Slightlylargerbottom That appears to explicitly be a rumor from rage-peddler George Molho. And a baseless one at that. Shippey seems to bear the show no ill will, at least not based upon the talk I heard him give last month.
“The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.”
J.R.R. Tolkien wrote about one old adaption attempt: “the canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different; and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.” I think this sums up amazon's upcoming garbage perfectly.
1:30 'how do I know it's going to be crap?' Star wars, Star trek, Wrinkle in Time, Cowboy Beebop, Doctor Who, ... I'm sure there are many others Im forgetting. 'Evil cannot create, it can only destroy' is a quote that comes to mind. And I believe that was penned by J. R. R Tolkien.
They turned it into a Monty Python show, complete with a mud-farming autonomous collective of Not-copyright-infringing-Harfoots and lines straight out of the Argument Clinic ("no it isn't," "yes it is".....)
Nah, The Pythons were intelligent, well read, and understood their subject matter. They also were self critical and had high standards. If they were in charge, it would be amazing!
"How can you say it's bad when it's not out yet" When a teaser trailer, supposed to hype you up for the show, just leaves you with utter disappointment and no excitement at all, says enough imo.
It's just like when you are buying something to eat. If it looks like shit, then there is a great chance that it will taste like shit, and i don't wanna eat shit.
I've been seeing shill comments like, "You can't tell it's bad from the trailer because trailers are always bad." As Ryan from Pitch Meeting might say, "Denying reality is tight!"
I saw THIS, and I just had to click! HOLY S%#@! Just imagine if we still had Christopher Lee with us, he would have EXPLODED like Mount Doom! He corrected Peter Jackson more than once! The amount of anger he would have had, would have been monumental! New sub, keep this up, someone has too!
That line of "the past is dead. We either move forward or die with it" is far worse than you realize. The character who spoke it is Elendil. Out of all the characters in Tolkien's universe, he would be the last person to utter that phrase, and I am now more convinced than ever it is no coincidence that the show is premiering on the day Tolkien died.......and I don't think it is to honor him.
I fail to understand the logic in premiering something on the anniversary of a man’s death. How utterly morbid. If they’re trying to create hype, shouldn’t it be Tolkien’s birthday instead?
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight I find it utterly baffling as well as there are three dates nearby that are much more appropriate if they wanted to choose an anniversary: The Hobbit; First published 21st September 1931. The Silmarillion; First Published 15th September 1977. And maybe most appropriate, Fellowship of the Ring; First published July 29th 1954. Would have allowed it to air on a Friday. If my options were to air the show on the date that a treasured part of literary history died and it’s still up in the air if your show is going to be bastardising his work… or just picking a random Friday in September, the sane person would choose the second option. Just completely disrespectful.
”I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.” ”As would all who have lived to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
The only enjoyment I'm going to derive from this series is seeing them lose billions, and succinct video criticisms such as yours. I bought me some Tolkien books, can't wait until they arrive so I can enjoy them, and not Amazon's garbage.
@@swagathan5 It looks like I might have needed to clarify this before posting. I've read the Hobbit, the LotR, Unfinished Tales, and the Silmarillion. I'm well-versed in Tolkien's lore :) (I also make Tolkien-related videos should you be interested to check out). I've ordered the new illustrated editions of Unfinished Tales, Silmarillion, and out of all of those, Beren and Lúthien, the Fall of Gondolin, ans Children of Húrin, will be those that I'll be reading for the first time. I also ordered The Hobbit and LotR Sketchbooks, and Middle-earth Traveller. My next goal is to get the Histories of Middle-earth (which I've never read), but they're very expensive to import.
I must say that I am looking forward to The Fall of Numenor, which the Estate and Harper Collins is releasing to coincide with this series. Having all the second age materials in one place will be nice.
28:49 you might appreciate this - when I was in high school they did a Shakespeare play with a sword fight in it (I think it was hamlet I'm not sure). I was in drama class at the time, but not in that production. One of the guys in that scene was commenting on how heavy the sword was. I remarked why they didn't just use plastic swords. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it has to do with realism. Theru actually had to learn to fight with the swords such to make the scene better (these were grade 12 students, 17-18 year old or so)
It makes the fight more believable because they would get tired. The swords would dip down, carry more momentum when swung, would carry more weight... Its little things that people notice subconsciously that can make all the difference in believability. And it's cool because that's how actual sword fights were. As much a war of attrition as skill. That shit just FEELS cooler.
Tolkien set out to write mythology for the English people - that was his goal. I don't understand why they don't just make an original fantasy story that reflects modern multiculturalism, I suppose competence is an issue at Amazon :(
@@TheCreamRisesToTheTop Tolkien himself stated that an adaption should respect the source material and that adapting his work would prove more difficult than adapting Homer's Odyssey haha
"The past is dead. We either move forward or die with it." + premiering on Tolkien's death day = massive red flag. "Let the past die. Kill it if you must." - The Last Jedi
To give an example of them not understanding their source material take the infamous “the past is dead” line. That line is given by Elendil. Elendil is the leader of the Faithful faction of Numenoreans. The faithful factions goals are to maintain the traditional way of life for the Numenoreans, close ties to the Lords of the West and elves. They are grateful for the gifts the Valar gave their ancestors. Therefore the past is incredibly important to Elendil’s faction and should by extension be important to Elendil himself. Now also consider that the opposing faction, King’s Men, seek to change the way of life of Numenoreans, abandon tradition. Now Elendil’s speech of the past being meaningless and the importance of moving on without sounds like a propaganda speech for the King’s Men.
Yes -- just like you'd expect Ar-Pharazon to be much younger, and to be the one wearing the crazy sun-ray crown. Because he's freaking Nero and Caligula, not an old geezer.
"You can have bad VFX and still have a good show" exactly. The same is true with video games as well. You can have subpar graphics, but still have a fun and enjoyable game.
When he said that, my first thought was Doctor Who. Amazing show (for the first 60 years), absolutely terrible visual affects. Love it so much. Same thing with the Original Star Wars movies,
I suffered through 'Wheel of Time' Not gonna do the same for RoP. WoT books have so many characters, plots and sub plots that one of the biggest problem with adapting the books for TV is deciding who/what you should keep, who/what you can combine, and who/what you can cut entirely. There's so much source material you don't need to make anything up, yet they made up a lot of stuff that not only has no basis whatsoever in the stories, but frequently contradicts the very foundational rules of that world.
I am still PISSED, of what they did to the Wheel of Time! EXACTLY! I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that! Just follow the source material, you morons! When the RoP came up, that was the LAST straw! I canceled my Prime membership, and have been giving Amazon the finger ever since! They are doing a Fallout show too, Oh, God!
I know. I think that the fans would be a lot more lenient with the Rings of Power if Amazon hadn't already screwed up the Wheel of Time, but Amazon and Rafe Judkins went out of their way to disrespect one of the greatest epic fantasy series of all time. Now they're targeting the *actual* greatest fantasy series of all time, and they deserve all the suspicion and skepticism they get.
@@michaelsasylum It's not about the skill of the writers. Robert Jordan already did all the work when he wrote the books. All the show writers needed to do was stick to what he wrote. Instead, they went out of the way to contradict the books, propping up diametrically opposed themes, and tearing down iconic characters, all to make a steaming pile of garbage. If the Rings of Power trailer is any indication, they're planning on doing that all over again.
I never knew Shad had other channels until yesterday! Btw I loved Shadow of the Conqueror! It is so refreshing to read new fantasy that isn’t woke, I loved the themes of guilt, redemption and forgiveness in it, and they rarely come up in contemporary stories anymore.
Hey Shad. My Wife and I have started spreading an idea around. Given that Amazon has decided to release this steaming pile of shit on the anniversary of Tolkien's death. We've decided to do a "watch party" and will watch Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy instead to honor Tolkien and give Amazon the middle finger.
starry eyed amazon apologist: how do you know it's not good, you haven't watched it yet? Me: I do not need to consume garbage to know that the garbage is not worth consuming.
I can fix the dialogue with one word. "You have not seen what I have seen." "I have seen my share." "You have not seen -this-." Indicating there is something unique and new.
He does know it's going to be crap. It looks embarrassing, the script is embarrassing - "You have not seen what i have seen x 2" had me cracking up exactly like you guys did. SHAMEFUL.
Amazon is most definitely, squatting over our plate, and squeezing out a turd. Hilarious descriptive, btw. I laughed, out loud and alone, exactly like a crazy person.
To convince someone that something they like can be bad today is really difficult. People are too arrogant and stick to the argument of "How can you say Its bad? I like It, If i liked It Its not bad". It is really difficult to find people that can recognize what is good and what they like today, but those are the best people to talk with.
Yeah, the Goldfish brains love everything these days. When they're too slow to notice it's bad in the first place, I doubt they'd be able to comprehend the reasons why it's all terrible. (That's a bit mean, some of them just value different things and don't care about logic in their entertainment)
"You have not seen what I have seen." - That kind of repetition is a tactic to signal that you're not engaging in an argument. It's the "broken record" technique that they taught us to use against peer pressure (to do drugs etc.) when I was in high school. Or, it's a signal that says "quiet down, I know what I'm doing." I recall the sheriff in _Twin Peaks:_ "I can get you a good rate at the Great Northern." Galadriel's expression makes it clear: like the knights said in their previous video, the show is portraying Elrond as a mansplainer, and Galadriel, beyond the powerful and majestic lady, is now also the longsuffering woman who has to put up with men's presumption and incompetence. It's written all over her face. This trope of longsuffering competent woman dealing with men's nonsense is older than you might think: watch _National Velvet_ and observe how the old married couple interact. Does Ar-Pharazon have six fingers on his right hand? He looks like he should. This show might actually be redeemed if they got Mark Knopfler to give it a proto-dungeon synth soundtrack. Tolkien invented fantasy! And they treated him like garbage! And that's what they are: the Lords of Garbage. So bow down to them if you want! Bow down to the Lords of filth, the Lords of putrescence. Boo! Boo! Boooooo!
not to be cruel but I love how perfectly this series stuff far represents Tolkien's quote about evil not being able to make it's own things. it feels like at this point they are basically trying to piss on his grave
I don't care about a prequel to George R R Martins "unfinished tale". Where all we have is a TV show (Game of thrones) that ended with a face plant and shat itself at the same time.
There’s the old bit of political advice, “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.” The creators behind this show told us who they were in that trailer.
Helping the algorithm Knights, hope it helps. Excited to have another loved franchise become ruined by a greedy company and an army of rabid SJWs and "fans".
@@jacobwhitley3767 So True. Most of these "teasers" the release are just relying on people already having knowledge of the 2nd age to be able to tell what's going on. But people with that knowledge are going to hate this show because of the perversion of Tolkien
Have a great day Shad and team! Sorry for your recent troubles; I come on YT solely to look for new content from you, and if there is none, I watch the old content. (I promise my life isn't as sad as it sounds - I just enjoy your personalities)
Yeah people cant really have a big picture of Tolkien's lore without reading The Silmarillion, even though it was released by his son, it was Tolkien favorite work and the one he cared the most. Its a magnum opus to anyone who loves mythology.
Man I'm working on writing my own stuff and world building, and seeing how these people can't make anything original for their stuff baffles me. Why must they ruin what is good? Damn evil is a rot on society. Thanks for being an inspiration for me Shad, you and company are doing amazing work keep up the good fight.
It's going to be a festering abomination and as Arnold once said "if it bleeds we can kill it." Sorry I've been watching Predator and I've got that quote stuck in my head. But in all seriousness as someone that loves Lord Of The Rings and respects J.R.R. Tolkien I'm not going to bother with this crap, I'm going to watch Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger instead plus some other awesome 80s and 90s movies. My advice to everyone don't bother with this crap, read the books and watch The Lord Of The Rings trilogy instead.
Recently I've been watching a Japanese Live action Tokusatsu drama series called Kamen rider. It's a Ongoing franchise that is that's been going on for 50ish years. The budgets For these Kamen rider shows are not only abysmally smaller they are usually about 50 episodes long. Even though the shows have severe limitations ( what little CGI they use is pretty bad, Designed to sell toys so there are some narrative limitations,) the Writing for these shows are amazing which keeps me interested despite the failings of the Visual effects. As you said Good writing trump's visual effects
I could tell it was a steaming pile of crap from the first teaser, it already highlighted all the crappy tendencies following the people behind destroying all the great franchises we've seen the past few years, there was no chance it would go well, then came the interviews, firing lore experts repeatedly, name calling fans and the tragedy was complete.
I remembered a phrase someone said to me once that went something like What a skilled artisan can spend decades creating can be destroyed by some jackass with a hammer in minutes also for the "parody that corrupts"; the word ye be looking for there is "bastardised" or "bastardisation", Shad. for Example: Amazon's rings of power is a Bastardisation of LOTR.
Done some numbers real fast and even with the lowest number I could find for the budget for this season, they are still spending 13 million more dollars per hour than the Jackson extended trilogy (adjusted for inflation, of course).
Sums up with the fact that whatever that's being made isn't trying to be true to the original source material. Peter Jackson didn't make a COMPLETELY accurate trilogy of films with LOTR but at least he tried his best and succeeded for the most part. Even then I agree that JRR Tolkien probably wouldn't have loved it due to the slightest of inaccuracies. ROP is just... all over the place, with stuff like Hobbits (even though they shouldn't have existed during this point in time) being set up for references. Edit: Oh my goodness, ISILDUR'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE?! I don't think he's supposed to be alive when Sauron was in the process of forging the Rings. Sauron is supposed to corrupt the Nine Kings into Nazgul first, right? That took years, maybe even decades, with how long it took for the Kings to turn. And these Kings are presumably from all over Middle Earth since there's Khamul the Easterling as one of the Nine. Unless it's a time skip, but that would go into when Sauron finally has the One Ring and waged his war against the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.
Even if the Hobbits did exist, they wouldn't be involved in the greater affairs of Middle Earth in any significant way. Part of the plot of The Hobbit and many character interactions in Lord of the Rings (mostly in the books) depended on the fact that barely anybody even knew they existed.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 EXACTLY!! The Hobbits wouldn't have gotten involved in anything yet. I remember there was an attack from goblins or orcs and they had to fight, this was before the attack that happened in Return of the King (Book). But other than that... yeah, they wouldn't be involved in anything yet. Also, I wonder if there's actually gonna a reference that the Hobbits are actually a species that derived from humans, because that is what they are.
Numenor had already established it's colonies (Gondor and Arnor) in Middle-Earth when Sauron first started the work of forging the Ring, his original goal for the 19 slave rings was to corrupt all the elf leaders, but that failed. He had distributed all or almost all as Annatar, prior to surrendering to Ar-Pharazon. After a decade or 2 he convinced Ar-Pharazon to attack Valinor, this destroyed Numenor, with Elendil and Isildur escaping by disobeying Ar-Pharazon's orders. It's shortly after Numeonor's destruction that Sauron's intent with the rings is made obvious, and the Last Alliance is formed in a last ditch effort to stop him
@@noahrombough2802 Okay, that explains it at least. But still, if the changes and weird additions are already bugging me now, I don't think I'd want to watch the show at all. I'll definitely wait for a while to see how people react to it. The Tolkien channels on UA-cam would undoubtedly be reviewing the show, so I'm gonna wait to hear what they have to say.
I was reminded by something seeing a meme about a 1950s refrigerator. We are getting less bang for our buck, between cost of living and how much a single costuming team versus VFX costs at this point. Horse Armor: Are those oven mitts? o_0
Galadriel didn't follow Fëanor for the Silmarils. She went because she wanted to carve out a piece of Middle-Earth for herself, a kingdom to rule by her own counsel without the influence or instruction of the Valar.
It used to be quite easy to see my name in the Patreon scroll. Now you have so many supporters it goes by so fast I barely see it! Glad to see so many people supporting you guys.
Seeing the painted armor at 24:18 reminds me that the old medieval adventure movies like Robin Hood, the Court Jester, and Ivanhoe that would simulate chainmail by using woolen shirts woven to appear like mail. Such cost saving tricks worked well back in the 20th century when expectations were low and so were the cameras with low definition. That won't cut it now in the 21st century.
My friends think you are rude but I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work, Shad, Nathan, Oz, and Claudia. Thank you for everything you guys do for our historical knowledge and for the fight against UA-cam's bad algorithms. Blessings be on you all.
I discovered this channel recently and I've been binging your videos since. really liking the more varied topics compared to the main channel. Sadly tho, I can't donate because in my country, $5 is almost a full week's salary. but I'm leaving this comment for the algorithm.
It feels like House of the Dragon is going to make Rings of Power an afterthought...which Amazon was well on their way to doing without the help of HBO.
"OH! A new Chad video! This is a perfect opportunity to eat my lunch while being enterteined". *Chad procedes to make analogy about shitting on a plate in the first 2 minutes* "Thank Chad...thank you so much..." :P
They brought in HOC based solely on a line that said "the Harfoots were darker of skin..." Based on that, I can't wait to see how they cast the Black Numenoreans.
Or, now hear me out here, maybe they thought "Lenny Henry's a fun actor, he'd be great for Sardoc". You seem to be deliberately overlooking the fact that the other main Harfoots are white.
Oh no, it's true. So once upon a time there was a great creator who composed this whole world and populated it with amazing creatures but one of the lesser creators who joined in building the world had their own idea of how it should be and corrupted parts of it, casting that world to chaos. Silmarillion? No, what's that?
The "just wait and see" crowd obviously didn't learn from all the garbage shows, movies, and games released within the last 2-3 years. All woke SJW sequels, prequels, or reboots turned out to be soulless husks of the past glory. Top Gun Maverick proved that many are getting tired of "the message" getting burned into the entertainment industry.
The dialogue reflects the fact that the writers cannot argue. Repeating the line is a way to say: "I know what I'm saying, how dare you doubt it", not to convince the other about your point. It is quite like bullying the other to not argue with you because you have something that makes you better.
@@mufasafalldown8401 that's my point. We are sort of in a bullying society, where it doesn't matter to convince, onlyy to silence or force people to say the thing
Wheel of Time writers were given nearly perfect action script with few points where it was up to actor to convey emotions and thoughts. And they screwed it up. GoT was generally good as long as they followed original story. And then they decided that they are better storytellers than Martin and they screwed up. What should we expect from a work without prewritten source?
"The past is dead. We will either move forward or we will die with it." That line is given to Elendil, the leader of the Faithful. However, there is some hope that he is talking to Isildur, and the Past he is referring to is Numenor, now corrupted by the King's Men / Sauron and hence the old, good Numenor of the Faithful is dead. And moving forward means preparing to emigrate to the Middle-earth rather than die with the corrupted Numenor when it is judged. That would actually work. Now, if it were Elendil saying that Isildur needs to stop honoring the Valar and be friends with the Elves, and get on the program to be a King's Man, that... that would be a travesty. Given what they have done to the other characters' personalities, I cannot discount this option, either.
They could give their Elendil character other lines to express his perception of the corruption and his resolve to prepare to emigrate. That they chose those words and put them in the trailer is what signifies.
I've been re-reading David Eddings "The Belgariad" series, and wondering what it would be like if a movie series were made of it. Then I see what Hollywood has been doing to fantasy series lately, and am perfectly happy with it staying in book form.
High cost low effort costumes. They 3d printed and printed the cloth instead of hand crafting. Edit: I would greatly enjoy it if you did more book discussion like the wheel of time stuff you have done. The book tube crowd is very biased and it would be nice to have another crowd
17:17 G@rbage iin a Nutshell I cannot *_WAIT_* for this to come out........I am counting the minutes!!!! (* Get your *_Marshmallows_* ready, the FlRE is going to be Sky High!)
Elrond took part in the War of Wrath, the vision of which is most likely the infamous Cheetos Battle Shot. That is, not only the dialogue is ultraretarded by the sheer idiocy of Elrond trying to patronise his future mother-in-law and generally a much older elf, but between the two it's Elrond who saw half of the continent go under the waves, not Galadriel. Bad, hostlie parody would be *mockery*. Just like in the famous quote - the shadow that spawned them cannot create [...] it can only MOCK. The Amazon series can only be described as deliberate mockery of Tolkien's work. The joke about authors spinning in their graves has a darker layer. Amazon did not start working in earnest on the show until Christopher Tolkien died. The quote about dying with the past ties into that, as well as premiere day (anniversary of The Professor's death, while September also has the double birthday of Bilbo and Frodo). They are literally and figuratively trying to kill and bury JRRT as a monumental cultural influence in the world.
@@deriznohappehquite You're right, I overinterpreted. By the War of Wrath time sons of Feanor work alone, so probably Elros and Elrond went to Lindon. Had to go back to source materials. While Galadriel does remain more distances from the wars of First Era than Elrond, there doesn't seem to be a full reversal of what the Amazon show is trying to do.
So they want us to believe that Angles, Saxons and Jutes, who almost never saw somebody that's different than them (Romans, Romano-Brytons, Celts, other Germanic tribes),...would have imagined a legend and myth so diverse, that reflects not today's world but today's USA...interesting🤔
That is a good point, how can you do something better with people that have less talent. Tolkien wrote a series of books. Amazon would really have to start there and be successful, for this series to have a chance. But as we have seen in the past, you can have a poor movie or TV show based on strong books, ie Resident Evil.
@@williamowens They fingers got so smooth they lost they finger rings of so many chainmail making... The difference with a labor of love and a cash grab.
People seek out entertainment to escape from their day to day lives. By making entertainment reflect the current zeitgeist they are trying to sell exactly what their audience is seeking to avoid.
"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like." - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) .
Peter Jackson, interview GreenCine (Dec. 2002) - "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."
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I don't understand how it feels natural to adapt a story but change it into a different story first. You aren't adapting anything if that's how you're going about it.
Why don't they throw in some mass slashings that lead to sword control policy too since we're just randomly throwing in current politics??
If you try and make a story reflect today’s world, it will go out of date at some point. Conversely, the Jackson LotR trilogy looks timeless.
"What the world actually looks like"
So, instead of magic you have technology, instead of agricultural societies you have industrialization and urbanization, instead of loss of knowledge you have have an information age, instead of feudalism you have representative democracy... that's what you mean, right?
Dramatic Irony: the world does not look like the twisted delusion of their minds. They are, in fact, blind to the world.
Fans: "The series is gonna be bad"
Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen"
Fans: "We've seen our share"
Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen"
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It is so funny that It is actually what they have written 🤣
Hahaha! Perfect!
Spot on 🤣😂🤣😂😫😫😫
Holy shit! Perfection!
"Kill the past or you'll die with it" sounds very much like a threat. Besides, if we discard the past, how can we remember not to do all the stupid junk that we did there?
Precisely! They completely failed to understand the point of remembering the past. They’re just going to repeat all the old mistakes as well as make new ones, the twats they are.
Indeed, for as the old warning goes "Those who do not know their history, are doomed to repeat it"
Yeah it's a shortsighted dumb quote, the likes of which you are to find on some "inspirational' influencer's Instagram, it's cherry picking stuff that fits what they want to sell you. By the same quote we should just let LOTR stay dead in the past instead of allowing studios like Amazon to try and our nostalgia of the past for profits.
We already are repeating the same mistakes we made 5000 years ago.
@@Kronos0999 Because we keep trying to kill the past. This idea isn't new, they're just selling it to you in a new way.
About “The past is dead”: Tolkien wrote LOTR literally as a forgotten history of England. It’s the polar opposite of that phrase.
They did not add that for Tolkien. They added that to say we are the past who support his writings and we need to move on.
@@gravitatemortuus1080 corrent and I will not move specially if the alternator is to follow crazies like them
They love using that phase as an excuse to butcher beloved shows
@@yashaoftheflames8475 they love using that phrase to separate people from their culture, their history, their children, their religion, from anything and anything that hinders the population from becoming their slaves.
@@gravitatemortuus1080 You’re truly a fucking idiot if you believe that.
When Jackson's team was making the armor for Gondor, one of the concept artists brought in a historical set of Italian plate armor so the creators could see exactly how the various pieces fit together and articulated so they could make the film armor as authentic as possible. That's how much care went into Lord of the Rings.
Naw just slap some boob plates on the men an call it a day...
But plate armor isn't cannon to the books.... unfortunately
That same concept artist, John Howe, is working on the Amazon series.
@@nickpalazzo6585 And I imagine the studio has so many hands in his porridge that THIS is what we get...
@@greatclubsandwich5612 THIS?
Another part I remember from the filming of two towers is when they wanted to put Arwyn (Yes I know it's spelled wrong) in the siege of helms deep when she was supposed to be in rivendell. There was a huge backlash from people working on the set and fans who found out about it. So they removed her from helms deep and kept her and rivendell. And they said that you don't have to put a sword in her hand to make her strong. There are other ways to be strong and support from afar.
There's even a couple shots where you can glimpse her in the final cut. The most prominent is one where the camera is focusing on Eomer toward the end of the battle, and you can see someone wearing pink and riding a white horse in the background.
@@knightofarnor2552 Hey friendo i wanted to see this for myself do you got a timestamp?
I'm pretty sure the backlash wasn't about her being there, it was actually that poor Liv Tyler was just abysmal in the action scenes so they cut her out again. But I could be mistaken.
Arwen weaved the banner of Elendil which was used by Aragorn in the siege of Minas Ithil. Arwen was there in the battle, just not in the way feminists expect.
like preparing dinner for when aragorn comes back
If I remember correctly, the entire purpose of Tolkien's work was to create a mythological past for his country because he lamented not having one. To now sell the message "kill the past" through his works seems like the ultimate betrayal of his vision.
That was his original intent, yes. Then he figured that was a tad too ambitious and settled on just writing good stories he himself would have liked to have read. He was still very protective of them, though, as is apparent from his letters, where he, among other things, scorched the film script proposal he was given.
it is
100% agree.
@@AnnaMarianne His original intent? His entire work is an extension of Germanic/Norse mythology, in many cases literally copying those sources. Never mind intent, you would have to be illiterate not to understand that he was creating a mythology.
Wait? England doesn't have a mythological past? That's not even remotely true.
I’ve gotten really sick of the apologists for one thing or another telling people they can’t make a decision based on a teaser, a trailer, the first few episodes, or the first movie.
Yes. We. Can.
The studio has full control over what they produce and how they market it. Trailers aren’t stitched together by AI. The writers know what they’ve done with the first episode or first film. And none of us owe them viewership or support. If they don’t grab me early on, I’m under no obligation to continue.
And that’s on them.
We are the customer, they are the seller. They need to SELL us on their product. They deserve no benefit of the doubt, no 3rd or 4th chances... If they want me to consume their product, they have to EARN it. Why should I spend my hard earned cash and valuable time on crap? I don't owe these producers and companies anything... they can suck my entire ass!
This is like someone saying you can't decline to date someone because of how they look or what they do... Like no. To want me?
SEDUCE ME!
Agreed... what baffles me is that we usually get the opposite: a cunningly and deviously crafted trailer that manages to convince the audience that the product is actually good, even if the full length stuff turns out to be disappointing. How many times I've been burned by trailers that stitch together the few good scenes a bad movie has. So, having the Rings of Power trailer be this bad ia definitely a huge red flag!
Anytime they bring up judging the trailer it just reminds me of Sonic and how they listen to their fans. These people don't care to listen it's just about what story they want to make and I'm sick of it it's not just this but everything.
First bad sign I noticed about the show was when many talented people walked out because of creative differences!
when tom shippey left was enough to know the series would flop
@@aesir1ases64 Wasn't Tom Shippey let go over an NDA conflict?
@@nickpalazzo6585 that was the cover used, yes. But in reality it’s because he would act as a barrier towards their insanity.
@@nevilleslightlylargerbotto1726 When did he say that?
@Neville Slightlylargerbottom That appears to explicitly be a rumor from rage-peddler George Molho. And a baseless one at that. Shippey seems to bear the show no ill will, at least not based upon the talk I heard him give last month.
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
“The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.”
Yeah, like you repeating the same quote that is used by everybody else over and over.
The shadow of the conqueror, is a really good book. That is no doubt a better story than the crap that is amazons rings of power.
Yes! and i want more! for the Dawn Empire!
How do you know it's crap? It's *grunt* not even out yet! *splash*
@@insensitive919 well If you actually watched the video you would know why we think its going to Be crap..
@@insensitive919 or did i miss the joke...maybe.
@@josiwinter6836 Yeah s/he was making fun of Amazon.
J.R.R. Tolkien wrote about one old adaption attempt: “the canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different; and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.” I think this sums up amazon's upcoming garbage perfectly.
1:30 'how do I know it's going to be crap?'
Star wars,
Star trek,
Wrinkle in Time,
Cowboy Beebop,
Doctor Who,
... I'm sure there are many others Im forgetting.
'Evil cannot create, it can only destroy' is a quote that comes to mind. And I believe that was penned by J. R. R Tolkien.
Netflix Witcher
@@grafkrapfen4906 Nope
Dang, I forget about the terrible Wrinkle in Time movie. Why’d you have to remind me lol. Also, Artemis Fowl was bastardized in its movie adaptation
They turned it into a Monty Python show, complete with a mud-farming autonomous collective of Not-copyright-infringing-Harfoots and lines straight out of the Argument Clinic ("no it isn't," "yes it is".....)
Shame this sketch doesn't end up with head banging and infinite arrests.
As a correction harfoots were mentioned in the first book as ancestors to the modern Hobbit.
Nah, The Pythons were intelligent, well read, and understood their subject matter. They also were self critical and had high standards. If they were in charge, it would be amazing!
"How can you say it's bad when it's not out yet"
When a teaser trailer, supposed to hype you up for the show, just leaves you with utter disappointment and no excitement at all, says enough imo.
It's just like when you are buying something to eat. If it looks like shit, then there is a great chance that it will taste like shit, and i don't wanna eat shit.
@@getfreur2458 This is like the appetizers tasting like crap.
I agree, the teaser was too long IMO, but it revealed nothing about the story and that was intentional.
My concerns about the show lie elsewhere.
It reminds me of the RotS trailers. The story is still in flux, so they don't have a clue what to put in the trailer.
I've been seeing shill comments like, "You can't tell it's bad from the trailer because trailers are always bad." As Ryan from Pitch Meeting might say, "Denying reality is tight!"
I saw THIS, and I just had to click! HOLY S%#@! Just imagine if we still had Christopher Lee with us, he would have EXPLODED like Mount Doom! He corrected Peter Jackson more than once! The amount of anger he would have had, would have been monumental! New sub, keep this up, someone has too!
That line of "the past is dead. We either move forward or die with it" is far worse than you realize.
The character who spoke it is Elendil. Out of all the characters in Tolkien's universe, he would be the last person to utter that phrase, and I am now more convinced than ever it is no coincidence that the show is premiering on the day Tolkien died.......and I don't think it is to honor him.
I dont credit Amazon with enough smarts to have even bothered to check the date properly really.
I fail to understand the logic in premiering something on the anniversary of a man’s death. How utterly morbid. If they’re trying to create hype, shouldn’t it be Tolkien’s birthday instead?
They waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before spitting out this crap after all.
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight I find it utterly baffling as well as there are three dates nearby that are much more appropriate if they wanted to choose an anniversary:
The Hobbit; First published 21st September 1931.
The Silmarillion; First Published 15th September 1977.
And maybe most appropriate, Fellowship of the Ring; First published July 29th 1954. Would have allowed it to air on a Friday.
If my options were to air the show on the date that a treasured part of literary history died and it’s still up in the air if your show is going to be bastardising his work… or just picking a random Friday in September, the sane person would choose the second option.
Just completely disrespectful.
Indeed. Vengeance is called for.
”I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.”
”As would all who have lived to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
The only enjoyment I'm going to derive from this series is seeing them lose billions, and succinct video criticisms such as yours. I bought me some Tolkien books, can't wait until they arrive so I can enjoy them, and not Amazon's garbage.
For the true Tolkien fan induction, you gotta read the Silmarillion. The Fall of Gondolin & the story of Beren and Luthien are 🔥
I expect they'll be lying about the numbers. It's "too big to fail".
@@swagathan5 It looks like I might have needed to clarify this before posting. I've read the Hobbit, the LotR, Unfinished Tales, and the Silmarillion. I'm well-versed in Tolkien's lore :)
(I also make Tolkien-related videos should you be interested to check out).
I've ordered the new illustrated editions of Unfinished Tales, Silmarillion, and out of all of those, Beren and Lúthien, the Fall of Gondolin, ans Children of Húrin, will be those that I'll be reading for the first time.
I also ordered The Hobbit and LotR Sketchbooks, and Middle-earth Traveller. My next goal is to get the Histories of Middle-earth (which I've never read), but they're very expensive to import.
They will only Lose one Billion(combined budget for 5 season already approved) but thats more than enough
I must say that I am looking forward to The Fall of Numenor, which the Estate and Harper Collins is releasing to coincide with this series. Having all the second age materials in one place will be nice.
28:49 you might appreciate this - when I was in high school they did a Shakespeare play with a sword fight in it (I think it was hamlet I'm not sure).
I was in drama class at the time, but not in that production. One of the guys in that scene was commenting on how heavy the sword was.
I remarked why they didn't just use plastic swords. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it has to do with realism. Theru actually had to learn to fight with the swords such to make the scene better (these were grade 12 students, 17-18 year old or so)
Passion > Budget.
That's pretty epic
It makes the fight more believable because they would get tired. The swords would dip down, carry more momentum when swung, would carry more weight... Its little things that people notice subconsciously that can make all the difference in believability. And it's cool because that's how actual sword fights were. As much a war of attrition as skill.
That shit just FEELS cooler.
Tolkien set out to write mythology for the English people - that was his goal.
I don't understand why they don't just make an original fantasy story that reflects modern multiculturalism, I suppose competence is an issue at Amazon :(
The point is to change everything to fit the progressive view. They would rather destroy everything instead of making their own thing.
Because no one would watch it. They bait people with things they know and love and then they betray them with woke garbage.
Having worked there once. I agree.
The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.
@@TheCreamRisesToTheTop Tolkien himself stated that an adaption should respect the source material and that adapting his work would prove more difficult than adapting Homer's Odyssey haha
"The past is dead. We either move forward or die with it." + premiering on Tolkien's death day = massive red flag.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you must." - The Last Jedi
That dialogue feels nothing like Tolkien.
To give an example of them not understanding their source material take the infamous “the past is dead” line. That line is given by Elendil. Elendil is the leader of the Faithful faction of Numenoreans. The faithful factions goals are to maintain the traditional way of life for the Numenoreans, close ties to the Lords of the West and elves. They are grateful for the gifts the Valar gave their ancestors. Therefore the past is incredibly important to Elendil’s faction and should by extension be important to Elendil himself. Now also consider that the opposing faction, King’s Men, seek to change the way of life of Numenoreans, abandon tradition. Now Elendil’s speech of the past being meaningless and the importance of moving on without sounds like a propaganda speech for the King’s Men.
Not sure if there is going to be large time skips in the show, but Elendil was born roughly 1500 years after the rings were created.
Yes -- just like you'd expect Ar-Pharazon to be much younger, and to be the one wearing the crazy sun-ray crown. Because he's freaking Nero and Caligula, not an old geezer.
We will be forever reminded of what we have been gifted, and the flame we must carry forward despite all obstacles and all evil.
"You can have bad VFX and still have a good show" exactly. The same is true with video games as well. You can have subpar graphics, but still have a fun and enjoyable game.
When he said that, my first thought was Doctor Who. Amazing show (for the first 60 years), absolutely terrible visual affects. Love it so much. Same thing with the Original Star Wars movies,
I suffered through 'Wheel of Time' Not gonna do the same for RoP.
WoT books have so many characters, plots and sub plots that one of the biggest problem with adapting the books for TV is deciding who/what you should keep, who/what you can combine, and who/what you can cut entirely. There's so much source material you don't need to make anything up, yet they made up a lot of stuff that not only has no basis whatsoever in the stories, but frequently contradicts the very foundational rules of that world.
I am still PISSED, of what they did to the Wheel of Time! EXACTLY! I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that! Just follow the source material, you morons! When the RoP came up, that was the LAST straw! I canceled my Prime membership, and have been giving Amazon the finger ever since! They are doing a Fallout show too, Oh, God!
Obviously the WoT show writers were not up to the task.
I know. I think that the fans would be a lot more lenient with the Rings of Power if Amazon hadn't already screwed up the Wheel of Time, but Amazon and Rafe Judkins went out of their way to disrespect one of the greatest epic fantasy series of all time. Now they're targeting the *actual* greatest fantasy series of all time, and they deserve all the suspicion and skepticism they get.
@@michaelsasylum It's not about the skill of the writers. Robert Jordan already did all the work when he wrote the books. All the show writers needed to do was stick to what he wrote. Instead, they went out of the way to contradict the books, propping up diametrically opposed themes, and tearing down iconic characters, all to make a steaming pile of garbage.
If the Rings of Power trailer is any indication, they're planning on doing that all over again.
@@7slavok Should I read Wheel of Time? Is it for younger readers?
I never knew Shad had other channels until yesterday! Btw I loved Shadow of the Conqueror! It is so refreshing to read new fantasy that isn’t woke, I loved the themes of guilt, redemption and forgiveness in it, and they rarely come up in contemporary stories anymore.
I did my own research to analyse why it'll be a failure - my first clue was Yuri Bezmenov's interview.
based interview
Look up the video "What Yuri Bezmenov didn't tell you."
Hey Shad. My Wife and I have started spreading an idea around. Given that Amazon has decided to release this steaming pile of shit on the anniversary of Tolkien's death. We've decided to do a "watch party" and will watch Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy instead to honor Tolkien and give Amazon the middle finger.
starry eyed amazon apologist: how do you know it's not good, you haven't watched it yet?
Me: I do not need to consume garbage to know that the garbage is not worth consuming.
If you did that, you would probably be dead.
I can fix the dialogue with one word.
"You have not seen what I have seen."
"I have seen my share."
"You have not seen -this-."
Indicating there is something unique and new.
Stories are about the character learning a lesson not about the audience taking in a message.
*THE MESSAGE
"The past is dead. We either move forward or we die with it."
If so, we shall join the past and go out in a Blaze of GLORY!!!
You shall not be alone Brother, for Tolkien!!
He does know it's going to be crap. It looks embarrassing, the script is embarrassing - "You have not seen what i have seen x 2" had me cracking up exactly like you guys did. SHAMEFUL.
My husband is already quoting it to me as a joke- that's pretty bad!
It’s ‘They fly now’ from TROS all over again. The show runners are Jar Jar Abrams/Bad Robot acolytes which is a huge red flag right there.
Amazon is most definitely, squatting over our plate, and squeezing out a turd. Hilarious descriptive, btw. I laughed, out loud and alone, exactly like a crazy person.
To convince someone that something they like can be bad today is really difficult. People are too arrogant and stick to the argument of "How can you say Its bad? I like It, If i liked It Its not bad".
It is really difficult to find people that can recognize what is good and what they like today, but those are the best people to talk with.
Yeah, the Goldfish brains love everything these days. When they're too slow to notice it's bad in the first place, I doubt they'd be able to comprehend the reasons why it's all terrible.
(That's a bit mean, some of them just value different things and don't care about logic in their entertainment)
"You have not seen what I have seen." - That kind of repetition is a tactic to signal that you're not engaging in an argument. It's the "broken record" technique that they taught us to use against peer pressure (to do drugs etc.) when I was in high school. Or, it's a signal that says "quiet down, I know what I'm doing." I recall the sheriff in _Twin Peaks:_ "I can get you a good rate at the Great Northern."
Galadriel's expression makes it clear: like the knights said in their previous video, the show is portraying Elrond as a mansplainer, and Galadriel, beyond the powerful and majestic lady, is now also the longsuffering woman who has to put up with men's presumption and incompetence. It's written all over her face. This trope of longsuffering competent woman dealing with men's nonsense is older than you might think: watch _National Velvet_ and observe how the old married couple interact.
Does Ar-Pharazon have six fingers on his right hand? He looks like he should. This show might actually be redeemed if they got Mark Knopfler to give it a proto-dungeon synth soundtrack.
Tolkien invented fantasy! And they treated him like garbage! And that's what they are: the Lords of Garbage. So bow down to them if you want! Bow down to the Lords of filth, the Lords of putrescence. Boo! Boo! Boooooo!
My EXACT thoughts on the Galadriel/Elrond interaction. Hadn’t seen anyone put it this way on teh interwebs until now. Thanks!
As you wish.
As they say, evil cant create they only corrupt.
Eddit: so reject them, keep the LotR lore as it was 10 years ago and never change it.
not to be cruel but I love how perfectly this series stuff far represents Tolkien's quote about evil not being able to make it's own things. it feels like at this point they are basically trying to piss on his grave
I don't care about a prequel to George R R Martins "unfinished tale". Where all we have is a TV show (Game of thrones) that ended with a face plant and shat itself at the same time.
@@slimbombur7922 Agreed.
They're releasing this series the day he died, the intent is clear.
@@glauberlopes1779 they couldnt wait to release it on the 22nd september, bilbo and frodo's birthday...
@Snorbo It’s kind of a grand statement about the nature of evil weaved into mundane dialogue about the metabolism of orcs.
There’s the old bit of political advice, “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.” The creators behind this show told us who they were in that trailer.
Helping the algorithm Knights, hope it helps.
Excited to have another loved franchise become ruined by a greedy company and an army of rabid SJWs and "fans".
Gladadriel: "You have not seen, what I have seen!", Elrond : "Our ratings? It will be horrifying..."
Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen."
Audience: "I have seen enough!"
Amazon: "You have not seen what I have seen."
Happens with research but...
That isn't how it's gonna be in the show and it would need context.
Me: “I don’t want to!!!!”
"You have not seen what I have seen."
"Yeah I have!"
"No you haven't!"
"Have too!"
"Have not!"
"Moooom!"
It's not about the money, it's about sending *THE MESSAGE.*
Takes a shot for the Critical Drinker.
The show runners are more interested in telling their story instead of telling Tolkiens story.
They aren't even interested in telling a story, their primary concern is demolishing the lore of Tolkiens world.
Yup
Lol there more interested in diversity they've talked about that more than the plot points of the show.
@@jacobwhitley3767 That is the only reason why anything gets made or gets money poured into it any more.
@@jacobwhitley3767 So True. Most of these "teasers" the release are just relying on people already having knowledge of the 2nd age to be able to tell what's going on. But people with that knowledge are going to hate this show because of the perversion of Tolkien
Have a great day Shad and team! Sorry for your recent troubles; I come on YT solely to look for new content from you, and if there is none, I watch the old content. (I promise my life isn't as sad as it sounds - I just enjoy your personalities)
I enjoy your content here and on Shadiversity. Thanks for providing enthusiastic content, and for caring about your audience.
Love Oz quoting The Silmarillion. Shad, you NEED to read that book one of these days!
Yeah people cant really have a big picture of Tolkien's lore without reading The Silmarillion, even though it was released by his son, it was Tolkien favorite work and the one he cared the most. Its a magnum opus to anyone who loves mythology.
Hope Oz and Claudia get better soon!
Man I'm working on writing my own stuff and world building, and seeing how these people can't make anything original for their stuff baffles me. Why must they ruin what is good? Damn evil is a rot on society.
Thanks for being an inspiration for me Shad, you and company are doing amazing work keep up the good fight.
It's going to be a festering abomination and as Arnold once said "if it bleeds we can kill it." Sorry I've been watching Predator and I've got that quote stuck in my head. But in all seriousness as someone that loves Lord Of The Rings and respects J.R.R. Tolkien I'm not going to bother with this crap, I'm going to watch Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger instead plus some other awesome 80s and 90s movies. My advice to everyone don't bother with this crap, read the books and watch The Lord Of The Rings trilogy instead.
@Aspiration Cul-De-Sac I'm good mate.
remember how i said i was going to kill you last?
Recently I've been watching a Japanese Live action Tokusatsu drama series called Kamen rider. It's a Ongoing franchise that is that's been going on for 50ish years. The budgets For these Kamen rider shows are not only abysmally smaller they are usually about 50 episodes long. Even though the shows have severe limitations ( what little CGI they use is pretty bad, Designed to sell toys so there are some narrative limitations,) the Writing for these shows are amazing which keeps me interested despite the failings of the Visual effects. As you said Good writing trump's visual effects
Japan isn't known for there use of cgi. They have great stories
@@danielledaniel1900 True there CGI is either Okay to pretty bad
@@shiranuiprestonsaga8867 yep. I wish we could have a blend of western films cgi with Japanese amazing story tell
I love that the Tolkien fandom has said hell no before this trash has even come out.
Come to the fan pages on Facebook. It's a battlefield. The ones supporting the show are down right nasty
I could tell it was a steaming pile of crap from the first teaser, it already highlighted all the crappy tendencies following the people behind destroying all the great franchises we've seen the past few years, there was no chance it would go well, then came the interviews, firing lore experts repeatedly, name calling fans and the tragedy was complete.
Its just an incoherent mess with no theme, aesthetics, vision, or understanding of what world building and story telling requires.
I remembered a phrase someone said to me once that went something like
What a skilled artisan can spend decades creating can be destroyed by some jackass with a hammer in minutes
also for the "parody that corrupts"; the word ye be looking for there is "bastardised" or "bastardisation", Shad.
for Example: Amazon's rings of power is a Bastardisation of LOTR.
Rings of Power is going to be woke propaganda and terrible writing.
You know it. We know it. Everybody knows it.
It;ll be the biggest flop of all time.
_"This is all retarded, and on multiple layers"_ --Shad 2022
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It helped the algorithm, im now watching this and I've never seen this guys channel before
Done some numbers real fast and even with the lowest number I could find for the budget for this season, they are still spending 13 million more dollars per hour than the Jackson extended trilogy (adjusted for inflation, of course).
Sums up with the fact that whatever that's being made isn't trying to be true to the original source material. Peter Jackson didn't make a COMPLETELY accurate trilogy of films with LOTR but at least he tried his best and succeeded for the most part. Even then I agree that JRR Tolkien probably wouldn't have loved it due to the slightest of inaccuracies. ROP is just... all over the place, with stuff like Hobbits (even though they shouldn't have existed during this point in time) being set up for references.
Edit: Oh my goodness, ISILDUR'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE?! I don't think he's supposed to be alive when Sauron was in the process of forging the Rings. Sauron is supposed to corrupt the Nine Kings into Nazgul first, right? That took years, maybe even decades, with how long it took for the Kings to turn. And these Kings are presumably from all over Middle Earth since there's Khamul the Easterling as one of the Nine. Unless it's a time skip, but that would go into when Sauron finally has the One Ring and waged his war against the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.
Even if the Hobbits did exist, they wouldn't be involved in the greater affairs of Middle Earth in any significant way. Part of the plot of The Hobbit and many character interactions in Lord of the Rings (mostly in the books) depended on the fact that barely anybody even knew they existed.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 EXACTLY!! The Hobbits wouldn't have gotten involved in anything yet. I remember there was an attack from goblins or orcs and they had to fight, this was before the attack that happened in Return of the King (Book). But other than that... yeah, they wouldn't be involved in anything yet. Also, I wonder if there's actually gonna a reference that the Hobbits are actually a species that derived from humans, because that is what they are.
Numenor had already established it's colonies (Gondor and Arnor) in Middle-Earth when Sauron first started the work of forging the Ring, his original goal for the 19 slave rings was to corrupt all the elf leaders, but that failed. He had distributed all or almost all as Annatar, prior to surrendering to Ar-Pharazon. After a decade or 2 he convinced Ar-Pharazon to attack Valinor, this destroyed Numenor, with Elendil and Isildur escaping by disobeying Ar-Pharazon's orders. It's shortly after Numeonor's destruction that Sauron's intent with the rings is made obvious, and the Last Alliance is formed in a last ditch effort to stop him
@@noahrombough2802 Okay, that explains it at least. But still, if the changes and weird additions are already bugging me now, I don't think I'd want to watch the show at all. I'll definitely wait for a while to see how people react to it. The Tolkien channels on UA-cam would undoubtedly be reviewing the show, so I'm gonna wait to hear what they have to say.
The're compressing thousands of years which is already a huge mistake to begin with.
That certain lightening bolt could definitely be read as divine intervention. 😄
I have a lethal drinking game prepped for this show.
I was reminded by something seeing a meme about a 1950s refrigerator.
We are getting less bang for our buck, between cost of living and how much a single costuming team versus VFX costs at this point.
Horse Armor: Are those oven mitts? o_0
Tolkien did not want Disney to own Lord of the Rings fearing that they would destroy it, but he failed to see that other companies would
I'm sure if he had been alive to see Amazon rise as a company he would hate it to.
Great video, going through this point by point. And a superb bookshelf behind you. Keep it up. 👊🏻
I kinda wanna start a hot wings restaurant called
Lord of the Wings.
we'd have onion rings too, of corse.
*Already done i want to visit tho*
Galadriel didn't follow Fëanor for the Silmarils. She went because she wanted to carve out a piece of Middle-Earth for herself, a kingdom to rule by her own counsel without the influence or instruction of the Valar.
It used to be quite easy to see my name in the Patreon scroll. Now you have so many supporters it goes by so fast I barely see it! Glad to see so many people supporting you guys.
Seeing the painted armor at 24:18 reminds me that the old medieval adventure movies like Robin Hood, the Court Jester, and Ivanhoe that would simulate chainmail by using woolen shirts woven to appear like mail.
Such cost saving tricks worked well back in the 20th century when expectations were low and so were the cameras with low definition.
That won't cut it now in the 21st century.
Knights watch is such a perfect name for this channel, it's so clever yet simple. I love it so much. I just had to say it.
My friends think you are rude but I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work, Shad, Nathan, Oz, and Claudia. Thank you for everything you guys do for our historical knowledge and for the fight against UA-cam's bad algorithms. Blessings be on you all.
It's fanfic influenced by modern politics. Enough said.
My first clue was when they showed the afro-sheen American beardless female dwarf and the afro-elf.
I discovered this channel recently and I've been binging your videos since. really liking the more varied topics compared to the main channel.
Sadly tho, I can't donate because in my country, $5 is almost a full week's salary. but I'm leaving this comment for the algorithm.
Your viewership and encouragement is more than enough, thank you so much.
I'll cover yours, I'm in the same currency as them :)
It feels like House of the Dragon is going to make Rings of Power an afterthought...which Amazon was well on their way to doing without the help of HBO.
"OH! A new Chad video! This is a perfect opportunity to eat my lunch while being enterteined".
*Chad procedes to make analogy about shitting on a plate in the first 2 minutes*
"Thank Chad...thank you so much..."
:P
They brought in HOC based solely on a line that said "the Harfoots were darker of skin..." Based on that, I can't wait to see how they cast the Black Numenoreans.
Can't wait for your next racist comment
Or, now hear me out here, maybe they thought "Lenny Henry's a fun actor, he'd be great for Sardoc". You seem to be deliberately overlooking the fact that the other main Harfoots are white.
@@bjiornbjiorn Nope. Basing it on what the Show Runners have said.
Oh no, it's true. So once upon a time there was a great creator who composed this whole world and populated it with amazing creatures but one of the lesser creators who joined in building the world had their own idea of how it should be and corrupted parts of it, casting that world to chaos. Silmarillion? No, what's that?
I love the moment when Morgoth put the last silmaril into his glove and snapped. What a historic scene for this genre.
😂
It's made by Amazon. That should be enough but i guess not... People are easily entertained and just want a second Game of Throne.
Terminal list is also Amazon and reacher and Jack Ryan it’s not all bad it’s a different genre lol but Amazon isn’t just across the board bad
One that doesn't end in a terrible pointless way
@@Saucyboy1776 Jack Ryan is blue-pilled.
@@deriznohappehquite what’s wrong with jack ryan?
The "just wait and see" crowd obviously didn't learn from all the garbage shows, movies, and games released within the last 2-3 years. All woke SJW sequels, prequels, or reboots turned out to be soulless husks of the past glory. Top Gun Maverick proved that many are getting tired of "the message" getting burned into the entertainment industry.
The dialogue reflects the fact that the writers cannot argue. Repeating the line is a way to say: "I know what I'm saying, how dare you doubt it", not to convince the other about your point. It is quite like bullying the other to not argue with you because you have something that makes you better.
That's sort of how liberals argue so it makes sense. Feelings over facts.
@@mufasafalldown8401 that's my point. We are sort of in a bullying society, where it doesn't matter to convince, onlyy to silence or force people to say the thing
@@locchieppese I agree.
Wheel of Time writers were given nearly perfect action script with few points where it was up to actor to convey emotions and thoughts. And they screwed it up. GoT was generally good as long as they followed original story. And then they decided that they are better storytellers than Martin and they screwed up.
What should we expect from a work without prewritten source?
Just makes you wonder what they’ll ruin next…
"The past is dead. We will either move forward or we will die with it." That line is given to Elendil, the leader of the Faithful. However, there is some hope that he is talking to Isildur, and the Past he is referring to is Numenor, now corrupted by the King's Men / Sauron and hence the old, good Numenor of the Faithful is dead. And moving forward means preparing to emigrate to the Middle-earth rather than die with the corrupted Numenor when it is judged. That would actually work.
Now, if it were Elendil saying that Isildur needs to stop honoring the Valar and be friends with the Elves, and get on the program to be a King's Man, that... that would be a travesty. Given what they have done to the other characters' personalities, I cannot discount this option, either.
They could give their Elendil character other lines to express his perception of the corruption and his resolve to prepare to emigrate. That they chose those words and put them in the trailer is what signifies.
@@charlesstanford1310 Its worrysome indeed
At this point I'm wondering is this show money laundering?
And ideological pandering.
More than likely.
The money goes to luxorious food, Eucalypus towles and adult daycare for the employees who work 1 hour a day and spend the rest on Tiktok.
A billion dollars spent and we have hobbits that walk like they’re wearing flippers…
I’m amazed how short this video is! 😂 . Keep up the great work!!!!!
I've been re-reading David Eddings "The Belgariad" series, and wondering what it would be like if a movie series were made of it. Then I see what Hollywood has been doing to fantasy series lately, and am perfectly happy with it staying in book form.
Claaasic. I reread the Belgariad every decade or so. Such a fun read
High cost low effort costumes. They 3d printed and printed the cloth instead of hand crafting.
Edit: I would greatly enjoy it if you did more book discussion like the wheel of time stuff you have done. The book tube crowd is very biased and it would be nice to have another crowd
17:17 G@rbage iin a Nutshell
I cannot *_WAIT_* for this to come out........I am counting the minutes!!!! (* Get your *_Marshmallows_* ready, the FlRE is going to be Sky High!)
Elrond took part in the War of Wrath, the vision of which is most likely the infamous Cheetos Battle Shot. That is, not only the dialogue is ultraretarded by the sheer idiocy of Elrond trying to patronise his future mother-in-law and generally a much older elf, but between the two it's Elrond who saw half of the continent go under the waves, not Galadriel.
Bad, hostlie parody would be *mockery*. Just like in the famous quote - the shadow that spawned them cannot create [...] it can only MOCK. The Amazon series can only be described as deliberate mockery of Tolkien's work.
The joke about authors spinning in their graves has a darker layer. Amazon did not start working in earnest on the show until Christopher Tolkien died. The quote about dying with the past ties into that, as well as premiere day (anniversary of The Professor's death, while September also has the double birthday of Bilbo and Frodo). They are literally and figuratively trying to kill and bury JRRT as a monumental cultural influence in the world.
I always assumed that Elrond and Elros were being raised by Maedhros and Maglor during the War of Wrath, and therefore didn’t fight.
@@deriznohappehquite You're right, I overinterpreted. By the War of Wrath time sons of Feanor work alone, so probably Elros and Elrond went to Lindon. Had to go back to source materials. While Galadriel does remain more distances from the wars of First Era than Elrond, there doesn't seem to be a full reversal of what the Amazon show is trying to do.
Amazon has accomplished what I would've thought was impossible: they've made millions of LOTR fans openly hate a show "adapted" from Tolkien
ALGORITHM, HEAR OUR SUMMONS
So they want us to believe that Angles, Saxons and Jutes, who almost never saw somebody that's different than them (Romans, Romano-Brytons, Celts, other Germanic tribes),...would have imagined a legend and myth so diverse, that reflects not today's world but today's USA...interesting🤔
That is a good point, how can you do something better with people that have less talent. Tolkien wrote a series of books. Amazon would really have to start there and be successful, for this series to have a chance. But as we have seen in the past, you can have a poor movie or TV show based on strong books, ie Resident Evil.
For me is the 3d printed and golden sprayed armor.
I know right? For Peter Jacksons trilogy the weta workshop spent so many hours actually making chainmail by hand.
@@williamowens They fingers got so smooth they lost they finger rings of so many chainmail making... The difference with a labor of love and a cash grab.
@@williamowens WETA is also involved in TROP. It's the same costume designer dude Kate Hawley. Get a clue.
Eldork and gladrifake dialogue sounds like 2 kids arguing about who has the better bicycle.
I enjoy everything you guys do on this channel. Also more Oz please 🙏
People seek out entertainment to escape from their day to day lives. By making entertainment reflect the current zeitgeist they are trying to sell exactly what their audience is seeking to avoid.