Rings of Power FEMALE ENERGY will make it BETTER than Lord of the Rings?
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As a female fan of Tolkien since I was eight years old listening to my dad read the books to me and my siblings, I want these people to take their "female energy" and stick it where the Light of the Valar don't shine.
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Honestly, same. Like I said before, it’s called LORD of the rings. Not LADY of the rings.
yes nobody asked for this...
Amazon is stunning in how honest they are being. Between the Soap Opera commercial, and how narcissistic the cast is, they have really put all their cards on the table. I have never seen a full hand of nothing but jokers, outside of an episode of Batman.
Marketing classes will no doubt study this as an example of how NOT to market a product.
It’s almost like a social experiment. Let’s see how far we can push it, and still make record breaking ratings with the normies.
I will watch "Rings of power" as a comedy.
They're trying to win at poker by bluffing with a hand consisting of an Uno Skip card, two Magic cards, Exodia's Left Leg, and a half-filled punch card from a closed pizza restaraunt.
@@jus_sanguinis I’m not watching until their ratings period is over.
I can't get over the sheer racism/sexism that comes with diversity quotas. The idea that something automatically becomes better if more women are in it, or if more black people are in it. That's not the way the world works. The England Women's Football team have recently been criticised for (currently only) being all-white, yet this argument is going on at the exact time they won the European championships. They have proven that the team members were literally the best people for the job. Yet that is not good enough, so they expose their hypocrisy.
It is a very common strategy these days. Just accuse the other of what you are doing and you can get away with it. But that only works if you really scream loud and have a lot of people backing you up. Absolutely crazy times we are living in....
Gareth Southgate ~ ‘Diversity is our strength!’
Everyone ~ ‘so if Diversity is our strength Gareth, what does it mean if we lose?’
> Diverse players miss penalties and the mens World Cup is lost.
Everyone > 😒😒😒 Gareth > 🤐
@@KeytarArgonian No kidding. If diversity was a strength, affirmative action wouldn’t be necessary.
@@pricture it's like the most extreme example of affirmative action. So extreme that it defies the original point.
I can only imagin the screeching when the pendulum swings back...
When we openly say: No only white people for this, no only men for this...
Them "Come see our show, we have lots of diverse people!"
Us "But what about the story?"
Them "Didn't you hear us? Diversity!"
Us "We're nerds, we only care about good storytelling, that other stuff is just fluff."
Them "Bigots"
My life philosophy:
If you want a good story read a book
If you want good entertainment play video games
If you want good animation watch Anime
If you want misandry and cringe watch Western Productions
@@toddpacker1015 sadly true. I miss the days when we got great stories from western sources. Even mindless action flicks like Mad Max were far superior to the crap Hollywood gives us today.
@@patrickelze3532 Their deep rooted hate towards men, lack of morality and pride in their activism makes them literally impossible of telling a good story let alone producing good content.
Never gonna get better don't wait for it.
@@patrickelze3532 I was just going to say, I've never been more nostalgic for Arnold, Van Dam, Stallone, Norris etc led movies. Just popcorn action flicks.
@@toddpacker1015 I don't want to start a war, but I think you are wrong about the Anime. They usually have breathtaking backgrounds and cool action scenes, but for the rest of the time they are static, with still frames or characters moving only their mouth. I'm not saying Anime are trash, I like many of them, but I think that in terms of animation the western productions are better. Of course I don't want to generalize, the Ghibli movies are much better than many actual series
I don't see how it would have more "female energy" when they turned Galadriel into some warped parody of masculinity
Man spreading and mansplaining to anyone who is in her vicinity
As if Galadriel wasn't a "strong woman", in the books..
It's not as if fucking Celeborn was ruling that roost, is it..
@@BobT36 That's the point, Galadriel WAS powerful, the fellowship knew she was, WE knew she was and we didn't need to see her wearing armor, swinging a sword nor anything like that, she was able to convey such a presence without needing to go fighting around like a rogue, she was wise, feminine and powerful but todays Hollywood writers don't have enough talent to make a strong woman any other way than literally maker physically strong and ironically more masculine, it is like if Dumbledore or Profesor X who we know can curb stomp 80% of their universes but don't because they're not that type of character had to be shown going all out all the time for us to consider them strong
Feminism confusing like that
Promoting femininity... by striving for masculinity
Silly really
They turned Galadriel into a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon character.
When Galadriel calmly said: "I'll be back." when she entered the Orc police station.
That was the most powerful female moment in movie history.
Then Galadriel hopped into the Blue Police Box with the 14th Doctor so they could go back in time to confront the Valar patriarchy about how they created Middle Earth all wrong.
Now I'm picturing Orcs in police uniforms. Lmao. Well done.
@@SplendidFactor "Bright" was a thing.
@@Javlin95 Oh yeah! Forgot about that one.
@@brianbagnall3029 "Fairy lives don't matter today."
Also, considering some speculation on trailers and leaks, they've killed off Celeborn, Galadriel's husband. And doing so erased their daughter Celebrian, who being Elronds wife, wipes out Arwen and her brothers. Thus removing Aragorns entire character arc in the future
It is such a predictable and cowardly way to try to make Galadriel female solo character, to remove her husband, when Celeborn and Galadriel were together most active in the second age, ruling realms left and right and having vastly different reactions to dwarfs for example.
If they do that I will riot completely. I dont use twitter but if that's what it takes for them to actually listen then i will. Glorfindel being replaced by Arwen in the movie that I understand but just outright killing Celeborn is going way too far.
Sure, you have to break a few eggs to make a woke omelet. Look at the bright side. Now Galadriel can "get together" with the Numenorean queen, and may be have Arondil on the side? Think of the empowerment!
This series will rewrite the lore the way JRRT should have written it, if he'd NOT been a dude, NOT white, and had possessed the cultural diversity that ALL should adhere to.
Now if we can just figure out how to make at least half the orcs female, gay, or non-binary.
Oh if they killed him off imma flip some tables
Wanna hear the most ironic part?
Aragorn's character arc is not his love story. It's his acceptance of his fate and duty. Love story is a side plot.
So. What does it remove? Arwen 's character arc and her love for Aragorn, and her defying her father and rejecting immortal life to be with the man she loves.
But we all know the only way a female character can be respected is by crushing skulls with her bare hands
The Argonath (Giant Statues) in LoTR that are marking Gondors Northern Border at the Lake Raurosare are a depiction of Isildur and Anarion his younger Brother that both founded Gondor.
When Sauron attacked Minas Ithil, Isildur fled to his Father Elendil in Arnor and together with Gil-Galad they formed the Last Alliance as seen in the Intro of LoTR. In those 7 years when they were preparing this Huge Army, Anarion was defending Gondor and holding Mordors forces at bay until the Great Army came to its Rescue. Anarion fell during the Siege of Barad-Dur and after Isildur died childless the Line of the Kings of Gondor fell to Anarions offspring.
Now they just erased him because having a Sister is more important......wtf.....fuck this Show.
One of the most badass moments of the entire Lotr trilogy was showing the power and strength of women!: “But no living man am I! You are looking upon a woman. Eowyn am I, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him."
The winged creature screamed at her, but then the Ringwraith was silent, as if in sudden doubt.
Peter Jackson didn't drop the ball much in his trilogy, but I feel like Eowyn's protection of Theoden is one of them - not because the scene isn't amazing (which it is) but because Tolkien wrote it so fucking well. Just the defiance in the face of what is almost Death personified for the sake of a loved one...oh, goosebumps...
@Jaden Kalen - That is how you do a strong female character. Funny how all of a sudden the "misogynists" are all behind Eowyn cheering her on......
How much more female energy do you need than the original trilogy? In my opinion, Eowyn is right at the pinnacle of a badass female character! A young woman nursing and caring for an aging relative. A warrior who charged into battle and put her life on the line for those she loved. Destroying one of the strongest members of the enemy because of it. And then, softening with the love of Faramir! Perfect!
She was a good character. My only regret is that her screen time was super short.
@@Manaphy0882 true but lotr was packed with characters: faramir,eomir,saruman, all had relatively short screen time
Additional point, Eowyn works as a character and IS such a bad ass specifically because she fights the establishment and because the women are kept out of it.
If we update everything to the modern "women everywhere, full agency" principle, her entire story arc makes 0 sense and women lose a great original character.
The opening scene alone in this video is better than the show is going to be. Perfection
Not sure what the clips were from, but I do agree.
A bunch of real fans with cardboard armor and foam swords could make a better show than this XD
Same. It's bugging me because I feel like I should know what it's from.
@@GrimViridian That's the thing. They have a billion dollar budget so of course it's going to look amazing. But the story, which is THE reason we come to watch these things, is written in crayon.
@@project4061 It's From Not Another Teen Movie
At least their version of Numenor deserves sinking even more than the canon one.
Numenor did nothing wrong, Ar-Pharazon's life matters!
If they wanted more females in the cast, they could have had Elendil’s wife and the spouses of Isildur and Anarion. These are logical female characters who we know must exist but aren’t talked about.
Wives? That's patriarchy talk, according to 3rd wave feminists.
Nah can't have wives, the women need to strong and independent, front and centre
@@ibraheemabrar4677 kinda like Eowyn?
We have Game of Thrones, The Witcher, D&D all clearly inspired by Tolkien work, and none of them had said "We made Tolkien better".
Christopher Paolini has improved Star Wars with Eragon 🤣
@@SyamDaRos-EndoManno I recently remembered that the movie is based off the book series, and I want to read it so bad. But an individual of ill repute has seen fit to try and block the only road that connects the mountain I live on with the rest of the world, because he's tired of people driving up and down it? And he has stopped UPS, FedEx, and other delivery services from coming up here. Apologies, I needed to vent. Have a nice day/evening.
Well said, brave Knights! They are blatantly ignoring the source material that is available to them, in favor of their own monstrous creations. They should focus on what Tolkien DID say, and then build everything else off of that.
For instance, they could have included Isildur's mother in the story, rather than inventing a completely new character whose very existence muddies the Numenorean family trees. And with all their emphasis on this non-canon sister....where the heck is Anarion, Isildur's brother?? He's an extremely important character in ME history, and he hasn't even been mentioned, much less seen in this woeful series 😠
I agree isildur brother ruled gandor completely equal with isildur. Isildur had their thrones set to be exactly the same height, and not one to be in front of the other to show they shared power equally.
8:55 There are official WWII documents about unit 731 (japanise human experiment unit) in which some SS officials were calling those experiments "barbaric" and "too extreme"... let me repeat it, SS OFFICIALS claimed that those experiments were "BARBARIC" and "TOO EXTREME".
A lot of the accusations against the Germans were post-war propaganda. Unit 731 left a lot of evidence behind, but a lot of the alleged German atrocities were simply based on heresay.
I remember reading an account of it years ago, and the ranking German representative told the Japanese "I'm going to tell Hitler about this, and he is going to be absolutely appalled by what's happening."
I'm so glad we're finally getting a show that has the first ever women in it. I never knew what my life was missing before this show, when women didn't exist. Thank the makers for this amazing year 2022
my last company had a JEDI (justice, equity, diversity and inclusion) council. Wouldn't you know out of a dozen members there was 1 man and no white men. I felt sooooo included. When they introduced the idea one employee said "where are the Asians?" and the sjw presenting had no clue how to react then the CEO or someone high up jumped in to criticize the question. Also, I was so angry they co-opted the term Jedi Council for that useless waste of time and resources.
Call those fuckers out and object at every turn. I guarantee more people agree with you than agree with them.
'So you think people of different races and sexes should be judged on sex and race?'
'The only way we can have diversity of thought is by getting people of different races because there's no way they can have any ideas in common? Isn't that what white supremacists say?'
'How is this not making assumptions about individuals based on group identity? You know who else in history did that? Here's a hint: they are not looked at as the good guys now.'
Take them to task.
Did you know the Jedi council overall was a super negative thing in its own universe, they got complacent, hesitant and too rooted in a specific mindset that in the end caused their own destruction and billions of deaths. What a stupid term to have for a diversity group.
@@NeoBluereaper Well, I mean…it’s actually apropos-just not for the reasons they think. Seems fitting that this band of corporate marionettes with broken brains would have a warped perspective on basic SW lore.
But don’t forget…the council also sat around on cushions like pompous gas bags and callously rejected a child to his face. A child with unprecedented potential no less. “We won’t train this lonely, scared and confused child. Surely leaving him to his own devices in a galaxy with an active Sith that is currently making us all look like complete fools is the best course of action”.
Seems like just the kind of backward thinkings that perceives “diversity, inclusion, representation and equity” as worthy corporate aspirations.
@@NeoBluereaper hilarious. im listening to the star wars books for the first time and have gotten up to darth plagious
First time I’ve heard “Justice” thrown into the mix…although it doesn’t surprise me that they’d try to lump in a legit virtue in with their tripe. Usually the only acronym that makes sense is “DIE” or “DIRE” (depending on whether or not they want to pretended “representation” is a thing). Seems like most companies-even the most well-meaning-are infected with worthless groups like this. I know it’s a trend that will not age well ten years from now, but it sucks to have to stomach it until this perversion is identified and cleaned up.
The part of the show where Gollum says he identifies as a ring because he wants to be constantly fingered was so empowering. I finally feel represented.
Whenever adult pretenders try to imagine how a character would be, because they don't think the character has been "fleshed out", they should start by imagining what the character definitely wouldn't say and go from there. For example, Elendil definitely wouldn't say; "The past is dead, move on or die with it."
Wait a minute.. Isildur has a sister but no brother? Where's Anarion? That guy was so crucial in the defence of Minas Anor (in future renamed as Minas Tirith) and Osgiliath.
Did he got yeeted in this series before some siege engine of Barad-dûr yeeted him to the Halls of Mandos?
Yeeted? nah. He just trans now.
Did you actually think Amazon read any of the source material? They looked up key names and ignore everything else in favor of 'making it better'.
@@marauderhealth9639 I find it weird because Anarion is present in the appendices which they have the rights to but wouldn't show him in this series whereas show a sister who's never mentioned in books and the appendices...
@@thegermaniccoenus2525 Because Anarion would be another god-forbidden MALE in the cast, we can't have that! It's much more troublesome to hire a male and make their character incompetent by default, than to hire a woman to be empowered by wokeness
@@thegermaniccoenus2525 It troubles that we had so few info about Anarion and Celeborn .... if they are not in the show .......
I love this new fan energy of “Not only will we not watch this trash; we’re gonna make a whole content industry off hating it for the fans to watch instead.”
Absolutely based.
When Sauron said "The One Ring is *literal* perfection, and Galadriel replied, "It will be...when it fits a woman", I stood up and clapped.
Omg so inspiring 😭😭😭
In place of Dark Lord, you will have a queen
@@pawekoodziej6556 "All shall love me or be man-babies!"
Stunning and brave!
Master and Commander is a great historical movie, and I honestly didn't notice that there were no women in it because the story and characters and setting were so interesting. (And that's true of *most* good films: I don't care what the gender breakdown is as long as the story is good. It's sad the activists making modern "entertainment" care so much. Their priorities are all wrong.)
Right. That's because there were no women serving in the freaking British Navy at the time!!!
Yes! Same with my favorite movie "The Woman" (original not the copy) such a great story you hardly notice not a single man in the movie 👍
Golden Girls, Shad. It was Golden Girls that didn't have enough male representation.
Also, the description of the line of Kings was *very* significant to their characters, because it came from their Elvish heritage, which was shared with Elrond and Arwen. Aragorn is described as having black hair with a few gray threads and gray eyes. Elrond and Arwen are both also described as black-haired and gray-eyed. This coloring came from the Noldor princess Luthien, the most beautiful Elf ever to walk the earth on either continent, and Arwen was supposed to be her lookalike.
Well, Luthien was actually Sindar. But yes, she had black hair.
I want to thank Shad for giving The Authentic Observer a shout out a while back and turning me onto her channel. She's been talking a lot about femininity and masculinity lately, and it's been great to hear thoughts I've had articulated well by someone else. It's uplifting to listen to thoughts from people like her and you guys after seeing Hollywood's blatant and depressing agenda.
The video where she eviscerated Vaush is satisfying on a spiritual level.
@@scottski02 Vaush is awful.
When Sauron said "My logic is undeniable!" and Frodo responded with "You've still got do die!" and injected the nanites into the Ring, I was shaking. What an amazing scene. A stroke of absolute genius.
Sorry I thought for years that Sauron said "I am inevitable!" But I'm old and white so my mind is probably feeble and I may be confusing him for some other god...🤣
@@donpietruk1517
You only hear that when you have white privilege.
I wouldn't doubt if Eru himself descended into Arda and told Galadriel "I'm your father".
I think you're mixing it up there buddy, Frodo went " You're a wizard, Harry!"
The Karate Kid headband doesn't actually have the flag of Imperial Japan on it, though many seem to remember it having the Imperial Japanese flag: it has a completely original, possibly Samurai inspired crest (still strange, since its meant to be Okinawan).
This matters because the sign of Imperial Japan is what is considered to be the fascist icon of Japan, and when most misremember the sign on Daniel Larusso's headband as the flag of Imperial Japan, they misrepresent the film as having a controversial Japanese fascist symbol as its front cover.
Daniel does not wear the Imperial flag. I don't know where the misconception that he does came from, but he doesn't wear it.
Its so bizarre that Amazon is doing this, the series, attaking the fandom, etc. Unreal. I mean, they expected... what, exactly? That we'd just roll over for this? Because Tolkien's fandom is so well known to be open-minded regarding changes to the lore?? 🤣🤣 Clearly these people weren't around when PJ's trilogies were released in theaters!
I just find it curious that they thought that this particular fandom would somehow get onboard with such egregious and flagrant disregard for the lore because they called us names - names which, by the way, have completely lost their juju.
They did the same exact thing to the Wheel of Time fans.
That was their fatal flaw, they knew that would be backlash but they never imagined it would be like that, Tolkien has by far the most loyal fandom and there are so many tolkien focused channels on YT that are simply not forgiving any contradiction to the lore that has been released so far, they turned the casuals against the show and now Amazon has only the woke fanactics that are excited for the show.
They understimated Tolkien's fandom.
Their only hope now is that the show is amazing, which with everything we saw so far, I doubt it, it will be average at best.
@@aesir1ases64 "They understimated Tolkien's fandom."
Heck yeah they did. I'm an avid rpg gamer and I've been watching this woke stuff creep into D&D for the last 15 years. At the same time I couldn't help but notice that the hollywood/media was progressively getting worse. Not enough people questioned it.
I figured it was a matter of time before they attacked the Legendarium and just waited with baited breath. When Christopher passed on (God rest his soul), I belted myself in because I knew this one was gonna be a doozy, lol.
@@aesir1ases64 Definitely underestimated the fandom, in terms of size, passion and global reach. As with most franchises these days, they want to reach as wide an audience as possible (normies) who wouldn't know the details of the original stories, and so thought they would be safe from fans calling out their insulting changes. But they also made the very stupid mistake of attempting to push woke ideology based on almost purely American politics into a story that has been translated into something incredible like 80+ languages and is not just enjoyed but revered across the world by a massive array of international fans.
Remember in the original LOTR how they didnt have enough enough female screen time so they had to expand the characters of Arwyn and Eowyn... and then remember how for the Hobbit they decided to create Tauriel out of thin air and devote 1/3rd of the movie to her interspecies love story.... This will be like that without the other 2/3rds
I thought Tauriel was completely unnecessary. She literally took away from other characters including Beorn my favorite who had a bigger part in the story. I don't even want to know the disaster this show will be compared to that.
@@empath9814 Rings of Power will make Battle of the Five Armies look like a masterpiece
Could you do a breakdown of the scene where Galadriel runs up the flat of elronds sword leaps 30 feet aided by his mighty wrist flick and lands a midair attack on a troll while experiencing no change in trajectory or momentum? Cause it’s pretty ridiculous…
Did a whole live-stream on it ^_^
ua-cam.com/video/6wv3Le1NTDE/v-deo.html&t
Don't worry. I'm sure they won't say "We made the decision to use non-traditional forms of beauty" when someone says their elves are kinda fugly.
We're not getting traditional fair elves, we're getting unconventional elves that reflects modern-day diversity of Hollywood.
@@Andrew-gn9qp Woke SJWeirdos: "Traditional elves are unattainable beauty standards!"
Us: "Yes, that's the point. That's also the reason why they were hesitant to help destroy the One Ring."
I'm not against representation, but I am against when it is forced and where it doesn't make sense
I’m against representation. By definition it’s not organic storytelling.
Representation by definition is forced.
I am against 'representation'. If that makes me some kind of "ism" or "phobic", I really don't care anymore.
@@musashidanmcgrath So making a film representing medieval Europe accurately is forced?
@@admirekashiri6651 You're misunderstanding. The representation we're talking about is racial/ethnic representation.
As a dwarf, I wish you all a very happy subscription deletion day on Sept 2, to honor Tolkien!!
When Galadrial screamed "SAUROOON!" after he left her buried alive in the mines of Moria... So empowering and brave.
The female energy really seemed to help out with the reboot of Ghostbusters.
If the writers just ‘had to have’ diversity, they could have set at least some of it in the East.
The Age of the Ring mod for Battle of Middle Earth 2 is working to add Harrad into their mod, and it contains a lot of cool other parts of the East that they’ve come up with in order to fill out the roster.
Added benefit of not steeping on Tolkien’s toes as much, because there isn’t much detail on Harrad and the East
They wanted to brag about having the first black elf and dwarf, etc.
Can't have it in the East or have the Harrad based on Asians. During the short lived #StopAsianHate, I learned Asians are not PoC (🤮I hate that slur), but are "white adjacent". Something to do with income or some such nonsense.
You guys need to give the show a chance. I was a naysayer until I watched the part where Galadriel was about to fall off a bridge into the depths of Moria, but Disa grabbed her with one hand, and while shouting "it's Dwarvin' Time" threw Galadriel into the cave troll, who cleaved it in two with a swipe of her massive sword. A truly iconic cinematic moment.
"When we wuz all up in here redressing balances and shieeet!" Disa, straight sounding deep yo'.
The timeline is gonna have to be crazy messed up. Luke Sauron creates the one ring and starts a war in like a week.
Playing Middle-Earth: Shadow of War right now. Great action so far, and it focuses a lot on Celebrimbor from the Silmarillion.
I can't say the story of this sequel is very good, but I bet it's still better than Rings of Power. Should do the characters and world more justice.
One weird thing is that they turned Shelob the spider into a sultry human woman who apparently courted Sauron. 😂
Technically Shelob is a Fallen Maia in Shadow of War.
Even though that game is a lore dumpster fire, they at least tried to make the "Black Gondorian" fit.
They stated he came from Harad.
They at least tried. They at least fucking tried.
They didn't even try in this shite. Not even a single second was spent trying to make things fit. They just shat out a big one, and through it at a camera.
Shelob being a corrupted maia makes sense from a lore perspective; re: Balrogs. Though she is the daughter of Ungoliant… 🤔
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 Yeah, the guy originating from Harad makes a lot of sense especially when you know people in that region was described as having dark skin. It makes roughly the same amount of sense as how the Easterlings were depicted as the Middle Earth equivalent of the Persians in Peter Jackson's LOTR, which honestly makes them so much cooler knowing their badass status in the books.
With Amazon... well, you said it perfectly. They didn't even try.
Ungoliant wasn't a Maia as she was explained in the Silmarillion as existing prior to the creation of Arda, alluding to she was a product of the Discord of Melkor and a terror of the void. So her spawn, to which Shelob belongs, are also not Maia. Tolkien's description of her was brilliantly unnerving, especially when she almost devours Morgoth.
I remember an interview about the second hobbit film, desolation of Smaug, in which Peter Jackson said he introduced the character of Tauriel because he wanted "female energy", in the story.
so lets see, break with Tolkien canon, forced interracial love triangle for no reason, a character which seems so pointless that the hole Tolkien fandom saw her inclusion as a mistake! Yep! there's that "female energy", we wanted.
The only difference is, Evangeline Lilly hated the love triangle, and went from being cautiously optimistic about playing Tauriel, to thinking her character was a mistake.
I doubt any of the women involved with this female energised dumpster fire will have that level of humility.
was it PJs choice or was he leant on heavily by the studio who were worried about the all male dwarf cast not appealling to all movie goers
@@awavey Lilly has stated that the Kili/Legolas love triangle was very much added in reshoots , since when she initially agreed to play Tauriel, she did so with the stipulation that there would be no love triangles or romance plot and that she'd just be allowed to be a kickass elf, then basically was told "like it or lump it", when she came back from a vacation and suddenly found they were shooting one.
I wouldn't be surprised myself if Tauriel as a character was Jackson's idea just to change the landscape of the film, and have an Eowen in Thranduil's house, in the same way Arwen was given more to do in Lotr, but just as Jackson wasn't prepared to go as far as having Arwen turn up at helms deep; an idea he did apparently toy with, crazy, interspecies love triangles weren't his idea, and were added at the behest of the studio.
The real question is: Will they actually put "female energy" into it or just have an actress with "male energy".
I think we all know which one is the case
I just put down a book. It was male characters reskinned as woman. It made the story horrible. And I see this invading everywhere now.
If they’re already coping with muh diversity I have to wonder
Is it going to get cancelled after a full season or half a season?
Depends because theirs alot of "feminist" out there supporting it
I mean... I think there would be two seasons at least with how much Amazon has invested money on it. In my head, the company has so much money anyway that I wouldn't be surprised if they don't care about the loss. But I could be wrong, because it's ultimately still a business and there must some profit goals... surely.
Let's not get our hopes up *too* high now.
It has been pre-approved for multiple season. This is going to be a glorious waste of money, and a cornucopia of memes.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky Usually these projects do. Netflix Cowboy Bebop was confirmed for multiple seasons before it even aired, and that was such a dumpster fire that’s no longer the case
Just a small point - Master and Commander does have women in it but not in anything like a major role. When HMS Surprise puts in to port in South America for supplies there are several women in the boats which come out to meet the ship - several of them apparently of "a certain profession" - including one that captain is momentarily attracted to (if you read the books, you'll know he's by no means always a faithful husband).
The moment they decided to add NEW characters into TOLKIEN'S STORY was the moment they turned this into a Fanfiction. This is NOT a Lord of the Rings show.
It wasn't the addition of new characters. It was the obvious scrapping of given guidelines for those characters. They have the rights to all three LOTR books and their Appendices, they are basically claiming to flesh out Elrond's account of the Rings at the Council, and yet they are ignoring the clearly described focus of at least two of the Kindreds.
In one trailer, they have a Galadriel or Harfoot girl narrating how the Elves "had their forests." The Ring rhyme clearly states "Three rings for the Elven kings/ *Under the sky* ", Every description of Elven homes involves commenting about the natural light, and Galadriel's great gift to Frodo was the light of their most beloved star (technically the Light of Valinor as derived from a Silmaril). Not only that, but Rivendell is described as having trees, but not being a forest, nor located in a forest. Gilgalad's great Realm in the Northwest may have had forests, but was not specifically a forest. In The Fellowship of the Ring, the Fellowship passes through the ruins of Celebrimbor's Realm, which has Holly as a remnant of his landscaping choices, but no forests. Legolas comments about how the stones, specifically, remember being shaped by the Elves. The door they passed to get into Moria was the door Celebrimbor's folk used and, in token of friendship, Holly was planted on either side of the door when it was made and lived there through millennia until the Watcher in the Water tore them up to block the door. Of the only two forest realms of the Elves described, the Greenwood/Mirkwood was relatively young, NO Elves lived in either Fangorn or the Old Forest (which you would expect if the Elves really were so focused on trees, and the Ents would have been unnecessary) and Lothlorien only existed as a forest at all because Galadriel's folk planted and tended it. Mallorn trees are NOT native to Middle Earth. In short: only Elves whose taste runs to living in forests care about living in forests.
In another trailer, Durin says, "There can be no trust between hammer and rock." Anyone who reads Gimli and Legolas' conversation about the caves behind Helm's Deep will know that no dwarf of Tolkien's Middle Earth would EVER say such a line. All of this is stuff that can be learned from the trilogy. Forget the owning the film rights, you don't even need to have read any of Tolkien's other writings to know this.
"Before crossing the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides." Page 3 Prologue, The Lord of the Rings illustrated edition.
Harfoots are Hobbits, simple as.
The irony is that in their quest to make everything diverse, everything becomes less diverse. Its all the same 'strong woman' tropes and the cast looking like they came straight from Twitter/New York City.
Its all so unnatural.
"Strong woman/warrior woman" has become the biggest cliche in the book and they keep falling back on it because they think that's how you write good female characters that actual real females look up to.
You know.. i have a bad feeling ... for some reason i forseeing the battle of the last alliance and seeing, Galadriel, Isildora, and Miriel the ones battling toe to toe against Sauron instead fo Gilgalad, Elendil and Isuldur... making both of their deaths meaningless, they probably plan to Isildur betray them and take the ring as the bad man he was... probably corrupted by Sauron itself...
You know what I think?
Tolkien's work would likely fare better in a high-budget CGI animated show
At the very least, it would've looked better
You know what I think?
Tolkien's work should never have been given the cinematic treatment. The imagination is so much more stronger than any picture.
15:20 Finaly somone mention it!
As I have said on other youtube videos, this is a 100% original Amazon series, all original characters, and while some characters may bear the name of better written characters, they are in no way related. Amazon should put a warning at the beginning of the show saying "any resemblance between these characters and the better written Tolkien characters is purely unintentional".
So when you said there something missing with Elendil and Isildur, my first thought was, 'Yes Isildur's brother, Anarion.' Then turns out they've given him a sister. Also as a point of reference Elendil was 7' 11" (2.41m) tall, Galadriel was 6' 4" (193cm) tall and Elendil's two sons were at least 6' 2".
Heightism !
It'll be so funny yet cool if you guys had a medieval tavern or Inn as a background 😂 either way great job covering this terrible bootleg version of a masterpiece
11:00 Amazon has to sign off on marketing material like this, which means they approved the use of the term hobbit, which means they can be sued over that.
These people cannot fathom characters beyond the “He’s literally me!?!?!” mentality. This goal of relatability or representativity above all else is kindergarten and asinine. Remember when there where characters that were so far beyond us that they inspired us to work towards that? But no, everybody has to be a narcissist and read themselves into every piece of art. How selfish. How debased. How…animal, is that?
Have these people ever watched a Bruce Lee movie? Where the main character is asian, the side characters are asian, the villains are asians and the main villain, guess what?, is asian. If they can't relate with any of these characters, then they should blame themselves for their lack of empathy.
Short question, do rings of power mention Isildur brother, who founded Minas Ithil (Morgul).
When you right a character you could look what was said (or writen) about them as foundation of your writing or acting and build your character from this point up. You can fill up the capes, but as a next level to your foundation and in respect of it.
Female energy is always greater. Just think....What if Rocky Balboa had been Roxie Balboa....An Italian female boxer who came close to beating the Heavyweight champion? Amazing and truly unbelievable!! Imagine how exciting when she breaks Apollo Creed's ribs! The part when Apollo says he ain't giving her a rematch!! Her best friend can be a woman who drinks too much named Polly. We could have kept everything else absolutely the same. She falls in love with a shy woman who works in a pet store. Adrienne and Roxie. A beautiful love story.
Master and Commander DID have women in it - when they stopped for supplies, the native people in the boats ferrying goods to the ship included women - one of whom Captain Jack was quite taken with...
Here’s what I noticed about how they handled the “backlash” against themselves. If they knew anything they would have known two things: the first being what we are truly upset about. The black male elf doesn’t even have any hair. And the female dwarf doesn’t even have a beard. But what really struck me, and I want to be an author so I’ve been studying character building & have built my own characters of different races, is how they designed the black male elf.
If you’re going to create an original character of an already written lore, you need to follow that lore. He should have long flowing black hair like Elrond. But it was suspicious to me how he didn’t. It’s almost like Amazon designed him that way to remind people that “hey look we have a black man as an elf & we need an image to show you to constantly remind you that he’s black & if you don’t like it then you’re a racist.” It’s almost like he’s been Tokenized. Almost like Hollywood wants black actors & actresses to stand out instead of blend into the lore so there’s no backlash. Almost like they’re targets for Hollywood to unleash gaslighting & assault on the fans. And to me, that’s the biggest crock of racism I’ve ever seen. They’re using those two actors as a shield to justify what they’ve done to Tolkien. And if I were them, I’d be pissed off.
They’re so desperate to justify themselves with this shit that they’re willing to make a fool out of themselves when it comes to standing there ground & they do it the way that they do because they think the consumers of the product aren’t smart enough to call them out. So they market there bullshit to non fans to build there own little army of “fans” to make themselves feel better.
You're right. They still can "represent" "POC" but not by working against the established lore and worldbuilding.
1. Disa. The name itself is another proof of their agenda. Instead of just naming her Dis, which is the only female dwarf name mentioned in Tolkien's works (Dis is the sister of Thorin Oakenshield and is the mother of Kili and Fili), they feel the need to emphasize that she's female by adding "a" as if dwarven names are just like Spanish names like Louisa or Gabriella. Dis is already a female dwarf name. Just reuse the name. No need to change the spelling.
2. Ignoring the skin color of the dwarf princess, she still doesn't pass as a female dwarf not only because she have no beard but because she looks and (probably sounds) female. The main point of female dwarves having beards is that they're NOT supposed to be feminine in voice and appearance. Heck they can literally cast a TRANS man to play Disa and call it a day.
3. Bronwyn and Theo. Okay. Them actually casting an Iranian woman and a brown skinned lad for "Southerners" as they call themselves make sense to me. BUT their names are another proof that their writer's imagination is non-existent 😭. For Valinor's sake, Bronwyn and Theo are WHITE names, almost identical to the famous Rohirrim names Eowyn and Theoden. They could have invented a much "Southerner" names for them. Bronwyn means "white-breasted" in Welsh. Seriously?
4. Arondir. I don't think that they will actually explain to us why a Silvan elf is dark skinned. Maybe they'll just leave it that and tell us that the elves are always been diverse in the beginning or some shit. The elves are not similar to the men. Men have different skin colors. Elves, however, are either all white or all black period
@@queenberuthiel5469 - And Dis literally means something like "Lady." So Disa means "Lady-a." It's dumb, honestly.
Isildur is a chad. When he found out that Ar-Pharazon was going to cut down Nimloth (the original White Tree), he sneaks into the King's court and steals a seedling. He keeps that seedling alive until he makes it to Minas Ithil where he plants it so it could grow into a new White Tree.
Isildur is a destroyer? He built the Kingdom of Gondor.
Ignoring existing extended universe canon and making other (lesser) stuff up, is exactly what Kathleen Kennedy did to Star Wars.
It's the third video on UA-cam. Absolutely monumental.
Day 11 of commenting random crap to help the channel:
So proud to be a part of the generation that witnessed the first film with black actors ever.
ツNever been this Early before I brought Coffee,Energy drinks & Alchohol, let the Drama BEGIN!!!!!
Great idea for a film. What if Queen Elisabeth wasn't born, but a boy was born instead and everything was better because of it. Sounds like a great idea right?...right???
The Women - 1934 was the first movie with an all female cast. It's a great movie.
Man I remember the old LotR extras, where the actors were talking about normal things, how they first met, what little jokes they were making on set and what ever happened to them. nowadays we get these soulless cooporate woke TED-talks from actors that seem to have no personality of their own. These are not people they are just mindless drones.
I love when Shad is explaining something in a normal tone, but then something clicks and he just explodes with frustration 😂 9:50
Why do they feel such a need to make Tolkien look like modern day? It’s all fiction in the first place. The whorls he created is not the modern world. What is wrong with that? If you want a show about the modern world. Make your own freakin show or make your own world instead of ripping off someone else’s work. That just blows my mind
I just watched through the lotr triology again a few days ago.. still perfection. I tear up every time
Watching My Name (Korean tv show) highlights another problem I've noticed in western shows with female action hero leads. In the show the female lead is insanely capable, but rather than shrugging everything off like an emotionless robot, her circumstances nearly break her and definitely damage her permanently. It's the difference between real adversity (where characters are noticeably damaged in some way by the event), and fake adversity, which is just an issue for you to roll through with your Terminatoresque combat capacity.
I'm subscribing I laughed out loud at the black gates joke my God they destroyed her xD thank you for this.
Amazon cannot accurately portray Elendil and his sons (Isildur & Anarion), because their most defining characteristic, prior to the fall of Numenor, was faith. Elendil led The Faithful, a minority of Numenorians who still honored the will of the Valar, despite intense persecution from the king. As a reward for their faithfulness, Elendil and The Faithful were spared when The Ban of the Valar was broken and the king sailed West to wage war against Valinor. Imagine Amazon trying to sell that to social justice zealots infesting their company.
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Isildur in lore's actually great. Example: When his father, brother and the other Faithfull have to escape Numenor, he risks his life to steal the last fruit from the White Tree of Numenor to ensure this gift from the Elves survives the apocalypse that's coming (and that his grandfather, Amandil's sacrificing his life to try and prevent, unsuccesfully). And despite being gravely injured in the attempt, he succeeds in his mission. That's the type of man he is, not this weak, unguided fool of a boy.
About the intro: Wow, I've never seen a greater context for that scene! Where is that from?
I've only seen Drinker using the final beat and never quite understood how it came to that hahaahahahaha
Isildur wasn't a moron. He wasn't even weak. All men fall to the ring, that's why Aragorn refusing to take it is so great. But lol Isildur was a badass did they forget that he defeated Sauron?
its probably galadriel in this story who slays sauron...
Two of my lady's favourite books:
HMS Ulises by Alasdair MCClaine, and the long walk by Stephen King.
Mcclaine has literally no female characters, because the book is set on a British distroyer in world war 2 crossing the north Atlantic, yet my lady loved the characters, the journey and the struggle, even though she's not a big fan of war stories.
In the Long walk women are mentioned, but since the book revolved around 99 boys getting shot in a dystopian walking contest, it has almost no women at all. Also again, fantastic characters and dynamics, one of Stephen King's best, and that's saying something.
one of my favourite books: Roses and rot by Kat Howard, set at an art academy with connections to the fey, set specifically in a house of 7 women artists.
Amazingly written, gorgeously beautiful, and yes, with only two named male characters in the entire book, since its mainly about the dynamics between the women.
And yet what pisses my lady the hell off? Misandry and wokeness jammed down her throat!
She's often said to me while reading how much she hates books with an enforced female empowerment message.
Some of the strongest women in cinema in LOTR and they weren't forced, they were believable. I have no faith this trash fire will be that nuanced
Eowyn was super forced in the last movie of the Trilogy. Wasn't something that appeared in the books and her entire last arc was cringe "Girl Power". Imagine a rando chick killing a Nazgul.
@@toddpacker1015 That's actually in Tolkien's writings. It happens exactly how it does in Return of the King. Respected Tolkien's vision.
@@toddpacker1015 It happens like that in the books, just with even more build up.
@@denmander "I am no man" doesn't happen in the books very cringe dialogue in comparison to the real thing... one of Peter Jackson's many weak points during his adaptation
@@toddpacker1015 But when it is a single sequence it doe s not ruin a movie, because it becomes a Nod to a certain perspective. A nod is different from dropping yur pants and bowing down with your hat at your ankles
This is the first youtube channel though with 2 guys with glasses, and 1 guy without!
I just don't like that they're adding characters that didn't exist in Tolkien's story, and removing ones that did.
Stories are all about the journeys of characters. You can't remove a bunch of characters and claim it's the same story as before.
Similarly, you can't change the backstory of an established character and expect it to resonate with an audience the same way it did before.
The fact that these people are in charge of writing stories, yet seemingly don't know what storytelling is all about, should give us a clue as to why their stories fail.
If you don't know what makes a good story, you can't expect people to enjoy the story you've written. I think RoP is going to suffer from this.
As a note, within Tolkien's lore, it it scientifically impossible for an elf or a Dwarf to be black, since they were respectively created by Iluvatar and Melkor before the appearance of the Sun that was created for the humans.
I'm pretty new to Tolkien's works, but from what I've read, Dwarves were originally formed by Aulë from stone, yet, it isn't specified what colour the stone was, so the interpretation is really open to a person's imagination - meaning, there is nothing “objectively true” or “canonically correct” about imagining them universally white-skinned. Also, I don't think the sun is a relevant point in the increase of melanin because that theory ascertains that would take literally millions of years. Also, Orcs and goblins stay away from sunlight yet are white to charcoal in colour, this would suggest that the sun isn't the reason for their skin colour, perhaps more like Melkor, his physical manifestation was reflective of his arrogance, envy and malice.
In regards to Elves, there is one instance where Tolkien describes Maeglin as having white skin, but that's it. One could even argue that Tolkien described the Noldor as white since he does mention that Maeglin has a resemblance to a Noldor. However, that’s a far cry from describing all Elves as white. In fact, it could be argued that it’s evidence to the contrary - the description does not mention that Maeglin has two eyes, or ten fingers, because those things are true of all Elves. But it does mention that his skin is white, maybe because that's not so self-evident, maybe because it’s not true of all Elves. And given that Elves are “beyond all other beauty that Iluvatar has caused to be”, and especially given that there are canonical "POC" who are villains, I find the idea that they’re all white pretty gross.
Additionally, it would be quite canonically consistent to view Elves' skin colour however you want them to be. Why? Because their origins are based on the incarnation of Ilúvatar's sentimental expressions at the Third Theme. With the secret fire giving soul to the Quendi, and a melody providing their manifestation onto the shores of Cuiviénen, there is pretty much nothing in their ancestral heritage to suggest all 144 Quendi were white-skinned.
@@Ihaka17 although for the Dwaves, I should check what you say, because their creation is a bit blurry in my memory.
However, due to their subterranean nature, they could, at best, blend with the rocky underground decor or, if we rely on the Norse sources Tolkien took inspiration from, look somewhat like stunted Elves.
For the Elves, given their longevity and that they don't seem to evolve, unlike humans and other species, their skin color is white, due to my Sun argument.
For the Orcs, Trolls and other corrupted species, I often pictured them more greenish-brown to link them to corrupted flesh, and also given how they evolved in European folklore through the centuries.
If they wanted to add diversity in Middle Earth and still remain true to the lore, they could have easily done all that with the humans or add brand new humanoid species that could have disappeared or reduce in importance later (to keep the LotR canon), since the first and second age, that didn't span over "millions" of years, unlike on Earth, still focus essentially on the main species and could allow room for more creativity and add more organic layers to the world created by Tolkien, instead of lazily forcing an ideological agenda down the fans' throats.
Guys, you should really read the works you're discussing first. Both Elendil and Isildur were alive during the Second Age, they both were born and grew up in Numenor which they fled with the Faithful before the island drowned.
It doesn't disprove the points you're making but it's small things like this that start to put cracks in your credibility. Please be careful.
however rings of power have played as loose as a loose thing with timelines and characters, one glaring example over 1500 years from when rings were made and when Numenor sank, its going to be a shitshow.
They weren’t around for the ENTIRE Second Age.
Reminds me of Drinker's video where he claims women could not become queens in Numenor, which is ... just wrong.
They're avowed followers of the heretic Smith, why would they care about credibility?
Man, I never realized how great Ilsildur and Elendil looked during the War of the Last Alliance considering that this show is saying they'd be over 1500 years old at that point. Oh, silly me, I forgot that these creators don't care about the actual lore/story of Lord of the Rings.
I especially enjoyed the clip from the second season from the trailer, where Galadriel's posse (composed, of course, of the requesite 50% women, and 30% diversity hires) sets out on a quest to locate the lengendary, longlost, blue, spring of Viagra, whose waters , they hope, will put some wood into all those limp-wristed men. Where they are going to find tampons in the wild is beyond my imagining--must be elven magic.
When the young badass Galadriel said “it’s Galadrielin time” that was really awesome!
you mean MUH GUHRL Gala-driel? Shoulder shake.
The 1939 version of "The Women" has an all female cast. That is the only good film i can think of with all females. BEWARE THE REMAKE
I can't believe Amazon is filming a Middle Earth LARPing session and selling it as a show
It is not the right "female energy" that can women of today can relate to. That is why they have to make it reflect the world of today - where women can do anything a stereotypical masculine guy can but with some female esthetics. And male characters are reduced to being weak characters that caused the mess that the female characters now are handling. Symbolicly, the women are now taking over.
Master and Commander had some women in the background when the ship was picking up supplies or went into port. But they weren’t really characters. They were just in the background.
You know, I've actually come up with a theory as to why these actors don't seem to know the definitions of words.
Many of them never finished school. Like, I'm not talking university or whatever, but basic school. Like, primary or secondary school English.
They constantly spout contradictory phrases and use words that they themselves probably couldn't even give a suitable definition for. It's like before the interviews, they memorize their responses (similar to how they memorize lines for the acting), and then they just repeat them while staring blankly at the camera.
These people are mindless robots. They are paid to be mindless robots. How sad and/or maddening is that?
That's what we've become. People who pay others to be mindless robots, spouting meaningless phrases that make us feel gooder inside. Pathetic.
We are such a pathetic civilization.
They were chosen because they had pretty faces and could remember their lines. You don't need to be smart for that.
@@Fuzzycat16 don’t know bro I see a lot of ugliness on most of them.
@@Fuzzycat16 I know they were chosen because they are African, it's not like I'm denying that.
It's just that, in addition to that, they don't appear to have brains either.
Like, sometimes you can see them doing calculations in their head of how to answer a question in (and I'm stepping into their mind here) "the most diverse way possible".
@@jimmybobby4824 as you can tell by these neckbeards who think they’re knights crying about a show
@@lewispooper3138 Its not "crying about a show". Its a reaction to blasphemy and sacrilege, and I mean that in the psychological sense. Its the ingredient crusades are started with.
Guys, is there a full version of your opening and closing theme song? I love it so much that I want it as my ringtone.
My new favourite channel. Keep up the great work lads.👍
I wanted dog actors and fish actors
But we aren’t ready for this advance meta commentary for Hollywood
Shads so masculine, the fact he knows how to cross his legs in a masculine way means he's defo masculine.
Major high T masculine.
If you ain't manspreading you are a woman
Yin is not really chaotic its more passive or calm like the night associated with it where as Yang is more active or aggressive as some would describe.
"Oh, but you don't understand, it's fantasy, anything goes..."
What amazes me with all this inclusive narrative trope is that they could as easily create new content integrating all their intersectional dogmas, and tell stories from their viewpoint.
But they need to use loved and recognized lore and brands to get the fans, that they will ultimately lose, once they applied the intersectional cheap varnish.
My hypothesis on this is that they know that an original woke show wouldn't work, because the intersectionals can only "denounce", not create, and since their theories are so disconnected from reality, the story would become a dogmatic preach and lack anything that makes an engaging story, especially nuance. My bet is that, aside of the hardcore believers, even the intersectional crowd wouldn't watch it.
So it's far safer to ruin beloved stories and wish that the fans, in need of content, will endure the intersectional bullshit and still grasp and the parts they couldn't ruin due to the inherent quality of the source material.
Just recognized the actor playing Isildur as the kid from Mr. Bean's Holiday.
I have the weirdest capacity for remembering faces across decades.
The pale makeup on black actresses is so cringe. They are doing it with Aviendha in WOT season 2 from the Teaser video as well. It's absurd and if you buy their BS ideology it also subconsciously reenforces problems around "lightness" in beauty standards lol.
It's like they're "white facing" black actresses. How's that not racist?
Also the statement about the show being drawn from Tolkien's "least fleshed-out" stories.
Even his least-fleshed out stories have a whole textbook's worth of info! This is the Silmarilion, after all!