It's like how Game of Thrones had spears in the background of some scenes in the Battle of Blackwater Bay but no one in the whole battle ever used them.
6:53 I honestly think armored horses physically could NOT stop their momentum during a full-speed charge, certainty not the ones behind the main leader.
That’s what happens when you create a fake Orc leader to sympathise with when the actual big Baddy Sauron was the one who lead the Orcs to sack the city in the real story They are fucking idiots
Is Glug okay though? That's all I need to know about this battle, I wouldn't want his wife to go widowed and his son to grow up without a father. Wouldn't want him to grow up and engage in fatherless behavior, like looting and pillaging.
The Battle of Helm's Deep was one of the most intense, brilliantly staged, eye-popping, mind-blowing and emotionally resonant battle scenes I ever witnessed in theaters in my late teens back in the 2000's, and it still holds up incredibly well over two decades later!!!
The problem I have is that these random elves show up out of nowhere to help and are never seen again. In the book, it is the Rohorrim who get it done and that works. The movie has ROP levels of stupidity. (Don't get me started on the part where Aragorn goes off the cliff.)
@@marcpeterson1092oh damn. I’m a big lover of tolkiens literature too, and I’m aware of those changes in the movies from the books. And I couldn’t care less. All those added scenes have a reason to be there and the elves coming to Helms Deep make this scene even more epic. You sound like such a crybaby
Elven warriors in Two Towers: stern facial expressions, synchronized fighting choreography, all of the movements they do are quick, calculated and efficient. They feel like warriors who honed their craft for millenia Elven warriors of RoP: pudgy, out of shape Californian corporate office employees
Remember watching the behind the scenes for the casting of the Lord of the Rings. It seems pretty simple. Tall, slender people: elf. Shorter muscular people: dwarf. Shorter people who might be slightly overweight: hobbit. Other people: men. Didn't understand why the elven city all freaked out and went insane. Feel like that's more of a human response and less of an elven one.
Yeah, same thoughts exactly. If they wanted to display chaos and fear, they should put some civilians running around in utter terror - not confused elfs. Wtf this show
Oh yes indeed I did loose my mind over this astronomical piece of crap of a battle episode. EVERYTHING was astounding stupid nonsense. It took me over 3 HOURS to go through everything in this episode on Knights Watch 0.o Lol, cheers for the mention mate!
Jezus Christ, I subscribe to you Shad (with fucking bells and everything!) yet since about 6 months I didn't get A SINGLE PROMPT that your own channel or Knights Watch have any new videos. I need to add you to the list of channels like Schola Gladiatoria, Metatron and a couple more that I check MANUALLY every couple of days. UA-cam is totally fucked.
I thought that scene where the Dothraki all take off with their flaming swords, and you think they're gonna kick some ass, then they all just fizzle out in silence and dark, was one of the best and creepiest battle scenes I'd ever seen...or not seen. They turned out to be just minor fodder in the end.
I had managed to forget that painfully bad battle. With the army placed IN FRONT OF the wall. And charging the zombie army to be extinguished, until they re-appeared in King's Landing. With Bran doing absolutely nothing. In the novels it was clear that when Martin actually got around to it, Bran's power would be a severe threat to the zombies, perhaps slowing their offensive across the North over several months. In the TV show, I imagined he would be able to break the captains' hold on separate parts of their army, slowing them down in the battle. Giving the dragons the chance to sweep down and kill the captains. Thus forcing the Night King to control the entire army on his own, distracting him and making just enough zombies fall, so that he could be killed by Jon Snow in a final battle. Alas, it was not to be. Neither Bran nor the dragons nor Jon Snow were significant in stopping The Others.
@@chrisnewbury3793 It was probably the most retarded battle scene I've ever seen. All the decisions made by the defenders were moronic starting with assembling the defending army OUTSIDE the walls and ending with the defending army magically regenerating after the battle.
Another thing; in the Two Towers you care about the characters inside Helm's Deep. You know who they are, what they do, why they matter. You want them to hold their ground, you want them to all survive, you want the sun to rise and for Gandalf and the reinforcements to arrive. In Rings of Power I honestly hoped they just all died and that would be the end of the show
@@ggoddkkiller1342 "solid bedrock". Did you even watch the scene? That big rock on the very top was barely standing on its own. It then created a chain reaction.
One troll. They had ONE TROLL! Not a tribe of trolls. Not a legion of trolls, not even a family of trolls. O. N. E. T. R. O. L. L.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A single, solitary, lonely, solo, by itself troll is useless against a city and it's walls!!!!!!
and the troll must have had a family and a wife....and he was coerced into this mindless war......he was laughing hysterically when about to die since he could not bid adieu to them one last time!!
Not even a legion of trolls would be useful against walls, trolls are giants, they're supposed to be used like the greeks used elephants, heavy units that are the hammer for the orcs anvil
And we're just going to gloss over the fact the motives are completely counter to Tolkien's writings. Tokien wrote that Sauron HIMSELF sacks Eregion, with HIS army, AFTER forging the One Ring. To take the lesser rings and kill Celebrimbor. There is no faction of grey-alignment sympathetic orcs rebelling against Sauron, or none of this nonsensical fan-fiction RoP's writers have crafted.
Fan fiction can be a wonderful addition to existing canonicity, when it's well thought out and posits a plausible series of events...so basically, anything but SLOP-sorry, ROP.
Amazon spent billions so we could watch a 13.55-minute video that is well-written, entertaining, and accurate. It has a strong beginning, middle, and end and tells an entire story. The video was viewed by 1.4 million people, more than the actual show. Much of the ad revenue went to a primary competitor, Google. LOL, you can not make this stuff up.
if go woke go broke actually worked, they would have by now, these people are so rich and corrupt, they use their inexhaustible wealth to spread their ideology, its not about making money for them, they dont need it. For example look at how much amazon makes per day, they arent sweating at all, but what they are doing is pushing a cultural deterioration. They dont care about money.
Adar left one orc to guard Galadriel. Just one! Isn't she reputed as one of the fiercest warriors and commanders the elves have? Someone who has killed legions of orcs? But Adar left Jim the Orc, who was two weeks away from retirement, to guard her by himself. Truly baffling.
They should have at least left two orcs guarding her. That way there could have been some dialoge: ORC #1: "What a terrible job! I want to fight in the battle!" ORC #2: "Don't complain rookie! I've been fighting for twenty years and I'm finally getting out in two weeks to go back to my loving family." SUDDENLY, ORC #2 IS IMPALED FROM THE BACK, AND BLOOD BEGINS GUSHING OUT OF HIS MOUTH
You can also see the major difference in costume and makeup quality. At Helms Deep, the armor and weapons don't look like cheap aluminum or foam, and the actors are dirty and bloody. They also have scraggly and oily hair from all the sweat and from most likely not bathing for several days. Amazon's abomination every actor looks like they're fresh from a shower all pretty and ready for the runway. Also the armor and weapons look like something you would order from wish. Unfortunately, a lot of "modern-day" movies and shows don't actually bother putting in the little details anymore and cheap out on props.
Helm's deep was filmed by doing months of night shoots in the rain. They would have been naturally dirty. The blood would be fake. When they finished, you can see photos of some of the people who made it and they looks super pale, just because they had seen the sun for so long.
I swear I heard that Viggo Mortisen literally found a puddle outside and rolled in the mud to prepare himself for a scene as Aragorn once. And if I do remember correctly, he wasn't told to do it either. He did it on his own intuition and commitment to the role he was playing
@mentalmandolorian5723 It wouldn't surprise me. He is one of the few actors that goes all the way to be immersed in whatever character he is playing. That's one of the reasons he is such a great actor.
Are you kidding me? Wish would send a sword with a scabbard that actually fits. gil-Galad's sword doesn't fit the scabbard. You can see it when he's riding the horse as he makes his entrance.
@@rymdalkis Huh? 😂😂😂 Why would someone create a new quote? Wtf? That's the point, using Tolkien's quote against those who are trying to destroy his legacy.
Every time someone mentions this new LOTR show, I cannot but think how lucky all of us Tolkien's fans were to get the original trilogy. It could have easily been bad but we got probably the best possible version imaginable. We should be thankful to Peter Jackson and the entire crew and cast for their achievement and celebrate it every opportunity we have. Time for another re-watch 😊
I mean, I can't really fault them. Amazon shows up and says they want to make a billion dollar franchise on par with the Peter Jackson films. It sounds like it can't lose. They got conned. I'd say they are victims, but they're probably watching this show on a superyacht.
@@chriskoschik391 The only difference between the Ferengi and Amazon is the Ferengi would have the sense to liquidate the entire staff behind this when it lost them money.
John and Chris are both dead. The estate only cares about one thing now and Amazon has enough to spend... But not enough to hire a writer who would actually make a coherent story. Culture rot is real and buckle up because there won't be another Renaissance. The future is this. Forever.
When I found out the writers had Galadriel and Elrond kiss each other full on the mouth, I was physically ill. Did they not know that she is his mother-in-law?!
As a kid I hated Boromir for falling to the Ring like a common thug, like Gollum and breaking his vow to the Fellowship As an adult I hated myself for thinking that cause the Ring turns the terrible, like Gollum but even a virtuous man like Boromir fell pray to it...almost and he redeemed himself like a true Son of Gondor, a hero for the Little Folk, giving his life for the Fellowship
Have you seen the extended editions? Boromir's behaviour makes much more sense when you have the extra info and scenes. Tbh, the extended editions are superior to the theatrical releases imo.
One thing Peter Jackson added is how Aragon doubts himself in the beginning, but one thing this creates room for is how it is Boromir telling him he would have followed him to the end, as his captain and King, that inspires Aragon and gives him confidence to become King. It makes Boromir's death even more meaningful.
I bet that's an experience mirrored by millions of kids who watched the films growing up. I was one too. Boromir becomes one of the best characters that you're sad you could only see for a single film. You just don't realize that when you're 12.
Another thing that was sadly glossed over in the theatrical release but expanded upon in the extended edition is that for all the shit Faramir gets, he succeeds where Boromir failed by resisting the temptation of the Ring through his own willpower.
It really is an AI trying to recreate the battle metaphorically. It actually looks right, if you took any 3 seconds without context - but there's so much wrong with it logically when you look too hard.
If only it was that. They disagree with everything in the past and want to rewrite it, remake it in their image, and dunk on the creatives that they could never hold a candle to.
Put the siege engines outside the walls? Throw cavalry into an oncoming force with no plan at all? RoP: Push your siege engines into mud with no cover at all and hope for the best. Cavalry? What's that?
@@Laneous14 worst part is that hwile vastly outnumbered they knew the weaknesses of their enemy. they shoulda like, filled the trebuchets wit hbosidian and launched it as shrapnel. they litreally had two dragons at the time, TWO. they could mass produced ti for the battle.
@@nikolamilivojevic1942 bro (in happy land) has a fucking cup of coffee and does a cute girl stretch in front of a *city being sieged* and not one panicked screaming citizen goes "why the fuck is celebrimbor just chilling with a coffee"
The battle of Helmsdeep has been so well done that even while it's been a while since I've seen The Two Towers that when Gandalf appeared at the end of your summary I get a little teary eyed.
@@marcoonlinetv7769 yeah, I thought Elrond married Galadriel‘s daughter! there’s never been any romantic relationship between those two. God, rings of power must suck far worse than even I thought.
The show already screwed up their relationship in Season 1 by making them "friends". Galadriel is more like a mentor to Elrond, not a "friend". She's far older and wiser than he is, arguably closer to that of "Cirdan". In addition to Cirdan, she should be a person he goes to looking for advise, instead he goes to Cirdan to seek advice BECAUSE of her actions, because this show has her written so stupidly. I'm almost certain (like 99%) that they are going to introduce Celebrian in a later season (if they get beyond Season 3) and simply argue "nobody ever mentioned her, even though everybody knows Galadriel has a daughter already". One slim possibility is that Celebrian appears at the end of this season, because when the dwarves arrive to help evacuate the survivors of Eregion and fight off Sauron's forces, in the lore they bring soldiers from Lorien with them. The only problem is that Lorien has NEVER been mentioned in the show even once yet. I can see them doing this, while having Celebrian (who should be in Lorien at this time... with Galadriel...) leading the forces, cuz strong woman. Then she makes a sly remark to Elrond about her having to rescue him or something, because of course.
@@Don-ol8ze it's god awful. they killed galadriel's husband off screen in season 1 (they never even cast him) so she can be a badass girlboss who don't need no man. then they have a will they or won't they between sauron and galadriel, while elrond gets will they or wont they with durin the 4th for the whole season 1, then season 2 comes and sauron gets a will they or wont they with celebrimbor, and without any will they or won't they galadriel and elrond start making out.
The firepower of orc artillery in this battle is f*cking baffling. They could level a city in a day with those missiles. Then they bring out the saddest and most explosion-prone battering ram in middle earth
Yeah if you can bash down a mountain with your siege engines I'm thinking the city doesn't stand much of a chance. Just the idea of throwing a rock at a mountain and knocking it over is so insane I can't wrap my head around it.
@@hawkticus_history_corner what would've made sense is to fire that thing from orbit slowly wheeling it towards the gate was nonsense supposed to invoke some kind of medieval siege
The battle of the two towers was supposedly based off of the 1683 siege of Vienna. In the real world the ottoman empire tried to destroy the walls using explosives and underground saphers. After two months of holding out the winged hussars of Poland and other allies charged the ottomans at the very last minute made them route. Which makes since considering tolken likely interacted with a large number of historians. It was an amazing battle and it was a great one to choose for a fantasy setting.
He was an historian and being one and a long time member of his college he would have known many different specialists of different periods. But the siege of Vienna in 1683 is the kind of event that any serious person in a history department at Oxbridge in the 20th C would would have had knowledge of, particularly as it was seen then as a pivotal turning point in European history.
Battle of Minas Tirith is based on that, not Helm's Deep I think. Minas Morgul was Constantinople, then got lost to the Turks, then "defiled", the second bastion was Vienna, which is Minas Tirith and cavalry arrives there both in history and the books. In the book cavalry doesn't show up at Helm's Deep but it is infantry led by Erkenbrand.
Amazing to think that single charge by maybe a few hundred men probably saved the entirety of western civilisation from falling to the darkness of Islam. Well, for 400 years at least..
RIP Bernard Hill. Thanks for such a great performance in LOTR I love the scene where he is at the top of the ridge, and looks over the impossible mob siege of Gondor in the Pellenor Fields. And then just pulls himself together and rallies the troops anyway. "Spears shall be shaken! Shields will be splintered! A sword-day.... a red day, and the sun rises! And then he runs down the line. "Ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor! Ride for ruin, and the world’s ending!" just epic. Every bit as good as the book. I was in tears 🥴
The budget probably went on gender association training, DEI team acceptance consultation and compulsory feminine spa sessions , and emotional damage out of court settlements.
Pretty sad. I think the problem lies in the fact that these people think they can make a better version of the one they're copying. Nope. They are 3rd rate at best.
It’s the death of expertise. No one knows how to do these things anymore. Those who can are either retired or have been pushed out to be replaced by morons.
this is more true than you know, "ghostring". More than you know. I remember talking to comic book artist Neil Adams. he said he same thing. whether in movies or making new comic books or "experts" doing special effects, the "expertise" of doing it well is gone. EVEN IN MOVIE MUSICAL scores, the excellency is gone. Doing good background sets, that too is usually nothing of quality now.
The horse stomping alone would be louder than Adar's whiny "Halt!" but all riders heard it at the same time and were immediately able to stop their warhorses with armor on top of them... just end me pls
You just don't understand the genius of this show! They represent the bravery of the working class rising up against their oppressors! Unionize! Unionize! Un-ion-ize! They're like the *excellent* writers of this show demanding more money for all their hard work!
Understanding something like this show does not equal being entertained by it, except perhaps as unintentional comedy. It's like trying to 'understand' The Happening, or any bad film that thinks it's smart
The cavalry charge makes no sense. The horsemen to the far flanks won't see Galadriel or Elrond stopping in time and should charge into the enemy, and the ones in the very back should crash into the people in front as it is a cavalry CHARGE and not a gallop. Also the orcs have a huge amount of non-spear weapons. Spears are a very powerful weapon and cost less metal than swords or axes. They are also effective against cavalry and other weapons.
It's just dumb bud. Furthermore, if Elrond is behind the orcs he should be hitting their supplies. Unless the orcs were setup for a pincer, which makes no sense like everything else in RoP. Goes back to Drinkers point that the battlefield makes no sense.
Yep as you said the ones at the back have to slow down first, if the ones in front slow even a tiny bit. All your horses and riders are going to be badly hurt. They would need a lot of forewarning to stop a full on cavalry charge, as all the riders at the back won't hear any orders over all those the thundering hooves. Literally the entire front of a formation stopping or slowing could break hundreds of horses ankles. They can't stop on a dime like that, that's one way to give your horses shattered legs and have to be put down for their own benefit. It's another reason why cavalry charges are more often than not a last resort as it's all or nothing attack. Infantry would have plenty of time to bring out pikes and spears to halt/slow the charge and once you stop the charge... cavalry gets decimated. Once you start charging, you have no choice but to plough through which even if successful results in heavy losses. It's why in later ages cavalry stopped doing headlong charges unless the infantry were caught out of formation or position. Cavalry archers were more useful, which honestly you would think the elves would have at this point, as they were highly effective at being in smaller trained groups and wheeling around in front of an enemy battle line, firing arrows and taunting the enemy to chase them.
@@MajorSmurf Yes, agree completely. All they had to do was watch a tour de France crash and they'd get the point. Furthermore, these Elves are thousands of years old, having survived endless battles against Morgoth and his legions. You would have assumed that they would have mastered combat by now.
@@MajorSmurf The whole point of a cavalry charge is to CRASH into the enemy and BREAK them in two. It happens when you ride as fast as you can while still keeping a formation and ride THROUGH the whole army, not even using your weapons as much as just crushing your enemies against your horses and themselves. The spears and lances might get a few kills too, but only for the folks on the very tip of the formation. And you have to ride through the whole opposing formation to not get stuck and ripped down from your saddle and beaten to death with your gender study diploma.
Why can't they portray large scale in this show?? Why does it seem like there's 15 Elves defending the whole city? Why is the asian elf the only one riddled with arrows? If they can do that to her, why aren't they all riddled with arrows like that? Arrows make no sense in this show, the arrows themselves are plot MacGuffins. Nothing makes sense. The bleeding heart Orc who doesn't want to meat shield the battle doesn't make sense, it's like it doesn't understand who Sauron is or the implications of anything, but seems to be the most intelligent Orc, it makes no sense.
I just wrote something similar regarding the lack of any sense of scale. What the heck are they spending their billion-dollar budget on if they can't swing more extras and some better costumes & scenery?
Also why all of a sudden did like 6 orc archers all decide to shoot specifically this one asian elf at the same time with pinpoint accuracy from several different sides?
@@anon2752 in the middle of Helm's deep battle Aragorn noticed uruk runner and ordered Legolas to kill him. Legolas pinched that poor uruk with arrows but he still blew up the wall. Maybe asian elf scene was inspired by that
I think one of my biggest gripes about this is the elves just don't look like elves. The armor the movements nothing is elegant or smooth or even competent. There just regular humans in a random town. The original trilogy did this perfectly.
I agree. The ones in this series also don't look like warriors, period. Gil Galad looks like he was recruited from your local pancake house to enter a dressup contest.
@@uvicjames exactly from what I've been seeing in media after the witcher/dragon age. The elves there it makes sense why there are more to be blunt, human. Which is a cool concept but after that everyone in the media just went with that concept for all elves in all mediums.
as a non book reader but huge LotR fan. I have enjoyed not knowing stuff all about the events. Loving that the fan base pointing out all that is wrong and the obvious flaws in the show and learning more through the comments which have been amazing
I thought orcs needed cover during the day as the sun hurt them? I know why they were able to walk around during the day in Mordor because of the cloud of ash from the volcano....so how did they get an army that size ALL the way to Eriador without one single elf noticing? I mean that is quite a trek to be carving covered pits like they did in the first season to cover themselves...and huge pits at that considering the size of their supposed army.
It was just a little tunnel because they were marching in single line. Every time the orc digging at the front got tired, the orcs behind him ate him and the next orc continued digging.
This battle probably was not even in the books. They have been making up most of the stuff around the making of the rings. There isn't really much at all written on this to begin with.
I also seem to remember in the first season, Adar and the orcs had to dig miles of tunnels to travel bc they couldn't stand sunlight. Galadriel even used it to torture Adar with.. Now I guess they don't mind.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 as far as I know there is a battle for the city, but the setting is actually different, I think it is Sauron doing the siege to get the rings, but I don't remember all the details.
@@Ignamolle yeah, this. I'm not sure the details are ever covered, but I do know that Sauron's big betrayal is that he leads an orc army and sacks Eregion, getting his hands on all the rings except the 3.
No we didnt. It was shit. And it still is. A bigger pile of shit doesnt change the fact that the smaller pile of shit, is in fact, still a pile of shit.l
I think those Hobbit movies can be saved in the edit. The Hobbit to me is what the prequels are to original Star Wars trilogy. I do like the Hobbit films more than the prequels though.
@@gageshippy2256as a white person of South American descent, albeit by way of Germany, Scotland and previously Scandinavia and possibly Russia… I too am annoyed by this shite.
This series is a missed opportunity. Sauron was supposed to be a pseudo Promethean figure generating religious engineering in Harad and Rhûn with the metallurgical revolution he made in the east and south. He could be like Mephistopheles from Goethe's Faust or Azazel from the book of Enoch. Galadriel was supposed to be a sage and a political opponent of Annatar's reformist ideas. She could be like a philosopher-queen. She used arguments and debates to fight Sauron in Eregion. She was such a fierce enemy that Annatar instigate Celebrimbor and the Jewelers to stage a coup d'etat on Galadriel and Celeborn. Númenor is a moral and theological story about life vs death vs immortality vs human nature. Harad and Rhûn were inspired by Ancient Aethiopia and Asia.
The missed opportunity was already in the premise of the show. Nobody cares about the forging of the rings. Its a footnote. Backstory. Make the show about Numenor. That mightve been interesting.
@@TheSuperappelflap One thing that disappointed me, since the end of Season 1 with the Forge of the 3 elven rings, and now in the creation of the 7 rings of the children of Aulë: it lacks a visual impact and subtlety that brings emotion. Objects, artifacts and creations, with the "hands" of Ilúvatar's children and angels, have a spiritual aspect that influence destinies in Arda. They are true artifacts, impossible to replicate: the Silmarils; the One Ring; Narsil; Sting; the Rings of Power. The forge scenes do not have The Impact of a "unspoken importance" - it is more a sentiment than being told by the characters that these Rings will shape and impact 2 entire eras of Arda. In the series, the Forge is something generic, much more is TALKED than SHOWN - Show, Don't Tell. I remember the forge scene of Narsil "transforming" into Anduril in The Return of The King - a sword shown in a few minutes will change the destiny of all humanity. Rings of Power, with a 1 billion budget, with more than 15 hours of viewing, didn't bring that!
5:44 Look at this city. There is beaches, ships, docks and ZERO fucking walls! 9:14 Now compare to this shit, that's two completely different places 💀💀💀
Especially if they were using swords, and then stabbing swords preferably. In the crush of that kind of battle it is hard to swing a sword. Even spearmen would carry a backup stabber in case the spear broke.
@@LuisNunes-ps4slHe used light cavalry all wrong anyway. They should have ridden around using their arrows and generally being a distraction. They were not a shock cavalry force with big horses, armor, and long lances. Charging like they did was stupid.
6:53 I honestly think armored horses physically could NOT stop their momentum during a full-speed charge, certainty not the ones behind the main leader.
The Two Towers-"Legolas!!! What do your Elf eyes see?" *Legolas sees 50 Orcs 5 miles away Rings of Power- "Evening-Guard-Duty-Ahir! What do YOUR elf eyes see?" *The evening guards at Eregion fail to see a massive army of shrieking, howling orcs and dozens of war-machines roll right up into their biscuits. Very season 8 Game-of-Tthrones-esque
At least, Game of Thrones was tremendously amazing at Season 1 and Season 2, with few others good seasons, which represent years of nice discussion and unforgetable moment. Ring of power discussion is really not the same, I remember Peter Dinklage seeking a serious role instead of absurd role, because he is a dwarf, Tyrion was the result of that desire and he was clever and funny, hard to do, and also how they could possibly killed Ned the main character. It was shocking.
@@EvilDoresh Wdym Sindar are better than the Noldor.. the Sindar never went to Valinor and did not evoke under the direct influence of the Valar. They're basically just the nobility of the Silvan wood elves.
Of course. No patrols in the forest or on the roads. No alarm on either side when all messaging suddenly stops between Eregion and all the other Elf settlements and goes on for weeks or longer. They leave the opposite shore of the river completely tree-filled against all military guidance. They possess no city defenses other than the wall and small arms. Nothing. Huge army moves many miles over many days and arrives opposite them completely undetected. Okay, sounds reasonable.
@@ngogol1748 True, but if You consider inflation, it would cost like 400 million today. And if we compare it to today's blockbusters, every blockbuster is today at least 200 million, and PJ made whole trilogy for 400 million, ( if we consider inflation ), which is insane.
It's like one of the showrunners played an RTS game like Age of Empires 2 where siege weapons had the "attack ground" command, and didn't realize IT ISN'T MEANT TO ATTACK THE ACTUAL GROUND.
"Look at the north at the first sunlight" ....they ripped off both the battle of Helms Klam and at Pelenor fields . This series has no ideas, no logic, no integrity, no timing, no pace.... it's just another "Wheel of time" , dragging Tolkien's beautiful heritage in the mud.
I mean, it is kind of ironically funny how they attempted to copy something, but made it so exponentially worse that all it receives is mockery. If you watch any of the "experts rating movies for realism" series, where warfare experts rate movies, they will almost all say "but it looks cool", but you can't even say that about this show
I got half an episode through "Wheel of Time". Never read the book or books. The grrrrl power was so in the face I turned it off. I don't hate female main characters but when every strong character is female and the males are only weak, craven or evil, it's not story-telling.
@@cvn6555 that’s the problem with these “modern writers”, they’re simply incapable of creating strong female characters without weakening others at their own expense. it’s beyond cliche at this point in history.
the sheer audacity of these 'writers' is truly mind blowing, they look at the incredibly well written and univerally loved works of peter jackson and more importantly JRR Tolkien and really think to themselves 'nah they got it all wrong, we know better.' and then proceed to destroy the name Lord of the Rings with their absolute incompetence, it’s vile I can usually just laugh at them and let it go but trying to one up boromirs death is where the line has gotta be drawn
@@DavidKArrrrgh Sounds more like you hate Jackson and by proxy anything he is associated with. Such a sad state of being though, you actively need to go onto the internet to project your hatred of a stranger to other strangers, you can quite easily say you hate the films but do you really need to display your own immaturity by following it with a personal insult And for OP, welcome to modern t.v. and film, the show runners and directors all seem to think they know best and destroy every piece of classic work they touch whilst, much like the above comment, constantly insulting the audience as racist misogynist bigots, makes you appreciate articulate criticism like that of the drinkers where he can tear apart trash without becoming a child and name calling to appear edgy
@@daviddrotos561 he completely dumbs down all the characters and simplifies the story, taking away all the nuances. Merry, Pippin and Boromir are unrecognisable and Gimlis “comedy” is excruciating
@@DavidKArrrrgh ok cool that's all well and good and I agree with some criticisms but why the need for the personal insult towards him afterwards? Any time in any situation in any walk of life, you make a point and follow it with a personal insult it immediately diminishes your point.
@@wiretamer5710you know, nature is pretty good at making things. Mountains don’t just crumble when you throw rocks at them. It’s why we use high explosives to make tunnels through mountains.
A billion dollars a season eh? It looks like a classic Doctor Who / Blake’s 7 quarry filming session with LARP armour. Do the guys underneath the Amazon bosses all suddenly have Ferraris, motorboats and holiday homes in Sochi?
The other thing that really bugs me is that in the original trilogy the elves are extremely synced up, organized, and straight up graceful whenever you see them in combat, particularly in the first movie with The Last Alliance in Mordor. In this dumpster fire though they are the complete opposite of that and watching them fight feels like watching a clip of me in middle school swinging around a training sword.
yeah, not even the excuse that they have not reached that level yet, slowly getting better or something, by this point they should be a well oiled machined or at least a machine
Eregion is thousands of years before those elves and at least a thousand years after the first age -- none of the Eregion elves fight or see conflict. They are ritual guards of a jewelry city. You are also watching the events that lead to societies and groups forming those elves. The host the Elrond arrives with become scattered in the river bed fighting, immediately spreading out to fight 10 to 1 as the horde is able to assault a large area against the now exposed wall. This is that first battle! Elrond was a baby when Morgoth was defeated -- the black years where the elves learn how to fight against Sauron's forces are later.
@@anhi399 I get that story angle, but where is the effort from the show to even hint at that ? They have infinite ways to show either unpreparedness, or limited skills ... we never get to see how many soldiers defend Eregion beyond the 15 people recycled and reused all the time... It was incredibly bad directing.
Pin cushion Asian elf gets up proclaiming her sciatica has been cured, and then blows up the siege machine. Thus, the battle was won, and acupuncture was invented at the same time.
Why does the elf cavalry look like it's a 2-D cartoon?! And why are all the horses white? Elves aren't dumb enough to breed warhorses purely for color. Thirdly, in Amazon's stupid DEI world, isn't a white cavalry kinda...racist?
I stand by the notion that somebody on the staff has their own agenda and it's based around their fetish for horses... A compilation from the episodes so far would make Mr. Hands bust.
Thank you for taking the pain for all true LotR fans Drinker- I could literally watch this show for free, but I find myself eagerly awaiting the next episode of The Penguin instead. Such a tragic waste.
you forgot to mention how 2 or 3 of the main characters suffer clearly dealdly wounds and then are just strollig around like nothing happened the scene after
Leaving a passable filed to cross. Not meters of mud and silt that would swallow up orcs and horses and large siege contraptions. They are insulting us.
@@clefsan She didnt had the 1.000.000 obvious plot armor on her that Isildur had when running into quicksand. Boi that scene was tense smart writing Amazon
Considering how much at the front she is, they would have smashed the orcs far away from her and rescued her. Also stopping 1000s of horsemen or horseelves like that would be a sheer feet. The battles in LOTR are terrible in terms of accuracy and realism, I was hoping they would improve up that.
They havent watched the battle of bastard, charging on the enemy to save the king alone in the middle ua-cam.com/video/-beqg8l7RZA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Vdeoxis
The lady with arrows in her back - bodies... don't work like that. She clearly has damaged or shattered shoulder blade by arrows in places that would restrict her arm movement. Shooting a bow is challenging in healthy body. With blood loss, pieces of wood that penetrate your body and pin the muscles in place shooting accurate shot... No. Just no.
Dude this is my biggest medieval/fantasy pet peeve ever. The fact that archery is given a 'dex' role when it should be a strength one. The power of arrow shots is always basically just treated like a dart or similar. Not the fucking thunderbolt of power behind a bow with a high draw. In fantasy, Arrows should be hitting with terrain changing power. They should be like miniature cannon hits. Arrows are not gentle little piercing bolts. They never show the kind of power they have.
It's a theatrical device called 'suspension of disbelief'. In the case of a well-developed character with whom the audience has an emotional investment, such as Boromir, it is always excusable. Especially given his considerable size, strength and wild determination to save the Hobbits. In the case of 'Asian Lady Elf 27' it is actually so inexcusable and overdone, it becomes laughable. Lol
@@JayFulcanelli--111 I get the idea. But throwing blows with sword is a different thing than shooting accurately with a bow. I can suspend a disbelief when someone wounded throws something or shoots the gun, but archery is a lot to ask for :D and you're right about Boromir it had meaning for the story, and his established character. This lady it's just a plot device, because story needed it.
Thank you Critical Drinker for taking the bullet for the rest of us. If it wasn't for you and Nerdrotic I might have actually tried to watch middle earth, but now I'm so glad I dodged the bullet. Thanks and keep up the good work suffer for those of us who just want to watch something good.
With a few drinks, that whole battle scene was comedy gold. Asian elf lady: "It's over, isn't it. We're all going to die." Elrond: "No, we got this." Turns around and watches her get shot 6 times. Fuckin' hilarious.
@giantent763 It's like they purposely ignore the spirituality and sense of the divine. I haven't watched it, and refuse to, but just watching these human-like elves, I do not get a sense that they have seen the Valar or acknowledge "The One." I know they have no rights to The Silmarillion, but even Peter Jackson was able to make them otherworldly, shown by a glow that seems to come from within.
My biggest peeve with Rings of power is that it Does not look like a FANTASY, The story line is all over the place with very modern Character Flaws. And the music is SHIT.
"music is SHIT"? You very clearly never watched the show, or must be deaf. Many things can be said about the show, but the music being shit isn't one of them. But people will desperately say anything to appear edgy and farm some likes.
THIS! I'm surprised with how few people are talking about the soundtrack. It is complete garbage. One of the reasons LotR was so great was because of the score. 700m budget and they couldn't produce 1-2 iconic pieces?!
> Orcs have trebuchets that can destroy parts of a mountain
> Don't use them to destroy the city walls
You clearly don't understand how delicate mountains are...
It's like how Game of Thrones had spears in the background of some scenes in the Battle of Blackwater Bay but no one in the whole battle ever used them.
Even better: part of the city is under the mountain, so why don't hit there? That would cause a lot of damage...
see this is a typical spending all your points on terrain killing ammo and forgetting to have wall killing ammo happens all the time in table top
Did they even bring boats, or was destroying an f-ing mountain and blocking the river their FIRST plan?
>both sides want to kill sauron
>both sides know sauron is inside elven city
>proceed to fight each other outside city ignoring sauron
Ah ha! Because of Sauron's crafty manipulation of.. oh sod it
I couldn't even pay attention to crit explaining the second half of this video. First half at helm's deep: 👌Second half: idga singular f.
6:53 I honestly think armored horses physically could NOT stop their momentum during a full-speed charge, certainty not the ones behind the main leader.
Two sides that didn't trust each other. You dimwit.
That’s what happens when you create a fake Orc leader to sympathise with when the actual big Baddy Sauron was the one who lead the Orcs to sack the city in the real story
They are fucking idiots
Is Glug okay though? That's all I need to know about this battle, I wouldn't want his wife to go widowed and his son to grow up without a father. Wouldn't want him to grow up and engage in fatherless behavior, like looting and pillaging.
Fuck RoP, I want Glug & Waldreg, a sitcom for the modern age!
We must talk about the absent fathers that plague the Orc community!
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Glug would have really preferred a peaceful resolution to these petty grievances.. the unsung hero really
@@Hirome_Satou Don't worry, Glugs children would definitely become future orc scholars and orc engineers.
The Battle of Helm's Deep was one of the most intense, brilliantly staged, eye-popping, mind-blowing and emotionally resonant battle scenes I ever witnessed in theaters in my late teens back in the 2000's, and it still holds up incredibly well over two decades later!!!
The problem I have is that these random elves show up out of nowhere to help and are never seen again. In the book, it is the Rohorrim who get it done and that works. The movie has ROP levels of stupidity. (Don't get me started on the part where Aragorn goes off the cliff.)
@connordolan4597 You are right. For me it is more about internal consistency, plot coherence and faithfulness to the source material.
@connordolan4597nah, you are alone in that opinion😂
@@marcpeterson1092oh damn. I’m a big lover of tolkiens literature too, and I’m aware of those changes in the movies from the books. And I couldn’t care less. All those added scenes have a reason to be there and the elves coming to Helms Deep make this scene even more epic. You sound like such a crybaby
@@Nele-vg7js Can we avoid the personal insults?
Elven warriors in Two Towers: stern facial expressions, synchronized fighting choreography, all of the movements they do are quick, calculated and efficient. They feel like warriors who honed their craft for millenia
Elven warriors of RoP: pudgy, out of shape Californian corporate office employees
Remember watching the behind the scenes for the casting of the Lord of the Rings. It seems pretty simple. Tall, slender people: elf. Shorter muscular people: dwarf. Shorter people who might be slightly overweight: hobbit. Other people: men.
Didn't understand why the elven city all freaked out and went insane. Feel like that's more of a human response and less of an elven one.
@@jeremybeavon4476 You would too, if you saw a sub-saharan elf.
Yeah, same thoughts exactly. If they wanted to display chaos and fear, they should put some civilians running around in utter terror - not confused elfs. Wtf this show
And diverse. Don't forget diverse. Because Tolkien clearly wrote African and Asian elves huh...
Lmao this is amazing
Oh yes indeed I did loose my mind over this astronomical piece of crap of a battle episode. EVERYTHING was astounding stupid nonsense. It took me over 3 HOURS to go through everything in this episode on Knights Watch 0.o
Lol, cheers for the mention mate!
Looking forward to watching it! Kind of. Damn I hate what they've done to our boy...
Swordmn
Lose* your mind
Jezus Christ, I subscribe to you Shad (with fucking bells and everything!) yet since about 6 months I didn't get A SINGLE PROMPT that your own channel or Knights Watch have any new videos. I need to add you to the list of channels like Schola Gladiatoria, Metatron and a couple more that I check MANUALLY every couple of days. UA-cam is totally fucked.
hahaha I immediately went looking for shads comment as soon as I heard his name mentioned
At least GOT had the dignity to hide the bad choreography in darkness
💀 if only Star Wars too had that luxury
So does this show. It's well dark
I thought that scene where the Dothraki all take off with their flaming swords, and you think they're gonna kick some ass, then they all just fizzle out in silence and dark, was one of the best and creepiest battle scenes I'd ever seen...or not seen.
They turned out to be just minor fodder in the end.
I had managed to forget that painfully bad battle. With the army placed IN FRONT OF the wall. And charging the zombie army to be extinguished, until they re-appeared in King's Landing. With Bran doing absolutely nothing. In the novels it was clear that when Martin actually got around to it, Bran's power would be a severe threat to the zombies, perhaps slowing their offensive across the North over several months. In the TV show, I imagined he would be able to break the captains' hold on separate parts of their army, slowing them down in the battle. Giving the dragons the chance to sweep down and kill the captains. Thus forcing the Night King to control the entire army on his own, distracting him and making just enough zombies fall, so that he could be killed by Jon Snow in a final battle. Alas, it was not to be. Neither Bran nor the dragons nor Jon Snow were significant in stopping The Others.
@@chrisnewbury3793
It was probably the most retarded battle scene I've ever seen. All the decisions made by the defenders were moronic starting with assembling the defending army OUTSIDE the walls and ending with the defending army magically regenerating after the battle.
Another thing; in the Two Towers you care about the characters inside Helm's Deep. You know who they are, what they do, why they matter. You want them to hold their ground, you want them to all survive, you want the sun to rise and for Gandalf and the reinforcements to arrive.
In Rings of Power I honestly hoped they just all died and that would be the end of the show
Orc trebuchets can't destroy stone walls but they can destroy solid bedrock!! These writers don't even know what mountains are, just wow..
Turns out there aren’t mountains in their 3rd world shithole urbanite utopias made of concrete, steel, and glass they call cities.
They probably grew up in an apartment in the city and only see grass when they take their dog to the park.
Yeah, but mountains are so fleeting & fragile! It's not like they can withstand tens of millions of years of erosion or anything!
@@ggoddkkiller1342 "solid bedrock". Did you even watch the scene? That big rock on the very top was barely standing on its own. It then created a chain reaction.
@@FilmscoreMetaler Here we have another person who doesn't understand what mountains are or how rocks work.
One troll.
They had ONE TROLL!
Not a tribe of trolls. Not a legion of trolls, not even a family of trolls.
O. N. E. T. R. O. L. L.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A single, solitary, lonely, solo, by itself troll is useless against a city and it's walls!!!!!!
and the troll must have had a family and a wife....and he was coerced into this mindless war......he was laughing hysterically when about to die since he could not bid adieu to them one last time!!
1 billion dollar budget = 1 troll. They would need another bil. for two.
A bit of a song?
Not even a legion of trolls would be useful against walls, trolls are giants, they're supposed to be used like the greeks used elephants, heavy units that are the hammer for the orcs anvil
They were trolling you =)
And we're just going to gloss over the fact the motives are completely counter to Tolkien's writings.
Tokien wrote that Sauron HIMSELF sacks Eregion, with HIS army, AFTER forging the One Ring. To take the lesser rings and kill Celebrimbor. There is no faction of grey-alignment sympathetic orcs rebelling against Sauron, or none of this nonsensical fan-fiction RoP's writers have crafted.
Nothing in 'Rings of Power' should be confused for anything Tolkien would have written..
I mean, that's just a given at this point.
wait wait wait a moment!!! Are not orcs just misunderstood poor aliens who have been unfairly downtrodden by elves all their lives? #orclivesmatter
Fan fiction can be a wonderful addition to existing canonicity, when it's well thought out and posits a plausible series of events...so basically, anything but SLOP-sorry, ROP.
There is one thing that could change everything, remember Shadow of Mordor, this should be the way
Amazon spent billions so we could watch a 13.55-minute video that is well-written, entertaining, and accurate. It has a strong beginning, middle, and end and tells an entire story. The video was viewed by 1.4 million people, more than the actual show. Much of the ad revenue went to a primary competitor, Google. LOL, you can not make this stuff up.
lol this is just plain accurate!
hahahaha. True. We did get something good out of it.
Its just blatantly weak writing with weak editing and all it doesn't feel like LOTR anymore
if go woke go broke actually worked, they would have by now, these people are so rich and corrupt, they use their inexhaustible wealth to spread their ideology, its not about making money for them, they dont need it. For example look at how much amazon makes per day, they arent sweating at all, but what they are doing is pushing a cultural deterioration. They dont care about money.
@@penpaper1543They’re actually referring to Drinker’s video.
Adar left one orc to guard Galadriel. Just one! Isn't she reputed as one of the fiercest warriors and commanders the elves have? Someone who has killed legions of orcs? But Adar left Jim the Orc, who was two weeks away from retirement, to guard her by himself. Truly baffling.
Galadriel, in Rings of Power, is as competent as the script demands lmao
Orcs are attacking Elves because they (the orcs) want to eliminate Sauron... I'm at a loss
They should have at least left two orcs guarding her. That way there could have been some dialoge: ORC #1: "What a terrible job! I want to fight in the battle!" ORC #2: "Don't complain rookie! I've been fighting for twenty years and I'm finally getting out in two weeks to go back to my loving family." SUDDENLY, ORC #2 IS IMPALED FROM THE BACK, AND BLOOD BEGINS GUSHING OUT OF HIS MOUTH
Doctor Evil would approve.
at least some sharks with laser beams
You can also see the major difference in costume and makeup quality. At Helms Deep, the armor and weapons don't look like cheap aluminum or foam, and the actors are dirty and bloody. They also have scraggly and oily hair from all the sweat and from most likely not bathing for several days. Amazon's abomination every actor looks like they're fresh from a shower all pretty and ready for the runway. Also the armor and weapons look like something you would order from wish. Unfortunately, a lot of "modern-day" movies and shows don't actually bother putting in the little details anymore and cheap out on props.
Helm's deep was filmed by doing months of night shoots in the rain. They would have been naturally dirty. The blood would be fake. When they finished, you can see photos of some of the people who made it and they looks super pale, just because they had seen the sun for so long.
I swear I heard that Viggo Mortisen literally found a puddle outside and rolled in the mud to prepare himself for a scene as Aragorn once.
And if I do remember correctly, he wasn't told to do it either. He did it on his own intuition and commitment to the role he was playing
@mentalmandolorian5723 It wouldn't surprise me. He is one of the few actors that goes all the way to be immersed in whatever character he is playing. That's one of the reasons he is such a great actor.
@@ScoobertDoobert5123he also hand sewn a lot of his costume, giving it a truly medieval aesthetic.
Are you kidding me? Wish would send a sword with a scabbard that actually fits. gil-Galad's sword doesn't fit the scabbard. You can see it when he's riding the horse as he makes his entrance.
“Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” - J.R.R. Tolkien
Kind of ironic that I see this quote plastered everywhere on the internet.
@@rymdalkisWhy is it ironic?
@@stevem2323 Because it's just reposting the same quote, i.e. not creating anything new
@@rymdalkis Huh? 😂😂😂
Why would someone create a new quote? Wtf? That's the point, using Tolkien's quote against those who are trying to destroy his legacy.
@@stevem2323 Just pointing out the irony
Every time someone mentions this new LOTR show, I cannot but think how lucky all of us Tolkien's fans were to get the original trilogy. It could have easily been bad but we got probably the best possible version imaginable. We should be thankful to Peter Jackson and the entire crew and cast for their achievement and celebrate it every opportunity we have. Time for another re-watch 😊
Word!!
Be thankful Jackson was edited by others. Look at God awful Hobbit trilogy.
@@IndianaSmallmouth hobbit is miles ahead of this bullshit show thats nothing more then a teenagers fanfiction
'Best possible version imaginable' that is a very unimaginative statement.
@@wiretamer5710 I did say probably 😏
At this point, it became utterly insulting that the Tolkien estate did this to his creator. Shame on them.
I mean, I can't really fault them. Amazon shows up and says they want to make a billion dollar franchise on par with the Peter Jackson films. It sounds like it can't lose.
They got conned. I'd say they are victims, but they're probably watching this show on a superyacht.
Every man has his price.
-Ferengi Rules of Acquisition; 98
Also it's an all female writer team, so they have no idea about battles. Shame on them!
@@chriskoschik391 The only difference between the Ferengi and Amazon is the Ferengi would have the sense to liquidate the entire staff behind this when it lost them money.
John and Chris are both dead. The estate only cares about one thing now and Amazon has enough to spend... But not enough to hire a writer who would actually make a coherent story. Culture rot is real and buckle up because there won't be another Renaissance. The future is this. Forever.
Dear heavens, Gil-Galad looks like trash in his armor...
"The last elven king" looks like a 50 years old dad...
NOT LAST ELVEN KING, THE LAST HIGH KING OF THE NOLDOR IN EXILE
This Gil-Galad and Elendil are the ones to fight Sauron at the ultimate climax of this era....
Ugliest elfs ever
"Gil-ga-daddy..." - literally the guy playing Gil-galad
A puffy doughboy…
When I found out the writers had Galadriel and Elrond kiss each other full on the mouth, I was physically ill. Did they not know that she is his mother-in-law?!
so youre saying theres a chance of a threesome?
🎶"SWEET HOME ALABAMA"🎶
Incest is wincest according to these nutcases. Makes me sick.
"What are you doing son-in-law?"
SMILF
"So the Orcs cross the magical bullshit river".
Perfect.
What a year...
●The acolyte entire plot.
●Rings of power.
● Boderlands.
●Zack Snyder's dumb scene of the king being killed in rebel moon.
What a year.
Hell of a year. Prepare for the next one cause its gonna be worse.
don't you forget about Madame Web
Concord))
Don't forget the insult that was The Crow remake.
keeeeel heeeeer, top comedy of 2024
As a kid I hated Boromir for falling to the Ring like a common thug, like Gollum and breaking his vow to the Fellowship
As an adult I hated myself for thinking that cause the Ring turns the terrible, like Gollum but even a virtuous man like Boromir fell pray to it...almost and he redeemed himself like a true Son of Gondor, a hero for the Little Folk, giving his life for the Fellowship
Have you seen the extended editions? Boromir's behaviour makes much more sense when you have the extra info and scenes.
Tbh, the extended editions are superior to the theatrical releases imo.
@@Valen-mh9fh The one true way to enjoy the movies is with the Extended versions. AS a kid I was stupid. As an Adult I know the way
One thing Peter Jackson added is how Aragon doubts himself in the beginning, but one thing this creates room for is how it is Boromir telling him he would have followed him to the end, as his captain and King, that inspires Aragon and gives him confidence to become King. It makes Boromir's death even more meaningful.
I bet that's an experience mirrored by millions of kids who watched the films growing up. I was one too. Boromir becomes one of the best characters that you're sad you could only see for a single film. You just don't realize that when you're 12.
Another thing that was sadly glossed over in the theatrical release but expanded upon in the extended edition is that for all the shit Faramir gets, he succeeds where Boromir failed by resisting the temptation of the Ring through his own willpower.
Sounds like this entire show is the writers trying to copy Peter Jackson's work and failing every step
sounds like writers have made absolutely no research on actual military campaigns in medieval Europe.
It really is an AI trying to recreate the battle metaphorically. It actually looks right, if you took any 3 seconds without context - but there's so much wrong with it logically when you look too hard.
yes. It's an all female writers team btw.
If only it was that. They disagree with everything in the past and want to rewrite it, remake it in their image, and dunk on the creatives that they could never hold a candle to.
And they said no to him directing because of how bad the hobbit was.. the hobbit was incredible in comparison 😅
To quote Jurassic Park yet again:
“You were so busy wondering if you could, that you never stopped to consider if you should.”
Asian Elf: “Look at me! I’m Boromir! I’m Boromir! I’m Boromir!” The end.
And of course it takes several more arrows to kill diversity elf 😂
I cried with laughter at the chinky elf scene.. hilarious !
Her final line after taking her shot should have been "I...meant...for...that...to...happen."
"one does not simply stand after being pierced by many arrows..."
As Nerdrotic said, "Noooo! They killed X-Ray Girl!"
GOT:we have the most stupid illogical battle in the history of television.
Rings of power:hold my beer.
They are brothers in spirit anyhow. Far from the Tolkien line of storytelling.
Put the siege engines outside the walls? Throw cavalry into an oncoming force with no plan at all?
RoP: Push your siege engines into mud with no cover at all and hope for the best. Cavalry? What's that?
Correctamundo
No no no this is exactly how the mad liberal left would fight a battle without lawyers and cellphones.
@@Laneous14 worst part is that hwile vastly outnumbered they knew the weaknesses of their enemy. they shoulda like, filled the trebuchets wit hbosidian and launched it as shrapnel. they litreally had two dragons at the time, TWO. they could mass produced ti for the battle.
I like how the inhabitants of Eregion just stay in a constant state of running in circles screaming for what seems like days.
It's a national sport of sorts.
and celebrimbor gets in and out of his tower like 17 times
@@nikolamilivojevic1942 bro (in happy land) has a fucking cup of coffee and does a cute girl stretch in front of a *city being sieged* and not one panicked screaming citizen goes "why the fuck is celebrimbor just chilling with a coffee"
This is a great comment! It cracks me up how they are running around like headless chickens.
That made me angry. How dare they, days into a siege, act like it was the first five minutes?
The battle of Helmsdeep has been so well done that even while it's been a while since I've seen The Two Towers that when Gandalf appeared at the end of your summary I get a little teary eyed.
I’m not sure what’s worse the show trying to ship Galadriel with Sauron or with Elrond 🤮
Wait what!
@@JonCom3dy Elrond and Galadriel have love romantic scene with kiss in this episode
@@marcoonlinetv7769 yeah, I thought Elrond married Galadriel‘s daughter! there’s never been any romantic relationship between those two. God, rings of power must suck far worse than even I thought.
The show already screwed up their relationship in Season 1 by making them "friends". Galadriel is more like a mentor to Elrond, not a "friend". She's far older and wiser than he is, arguably closer to that of "Cirdan". In addition to Cirdan, she should be a person he goes to looking for advise, instead he goes to Cirdan to seek advice BECAUSE of her actions, because this show has her written so stupidly.
I'm almost certain (like 99%) that they are going to introduce Celebrian in a later season (if they get beyond Season 3) and simply argue "nobody ever mentioned her, even though everybody knows Galadriel has a daughter already".
One slim possibility is that Celebrian appears at the end of this season, because when the dwarves arrive to help evacuate the survivors of Eregion and fight off Sauron's forces, in the lore they bring soldiers from Lorien with them. The only problem is that Lorien has NEVER been mentioned in the show even once yet.
I can see them doing this, while having Celebrian (who should be in Lorien at this time... with Galadriel...) leading the forces, cuz strong woman. Then she makes a sly remark to Elrond about her having to rescue him or something, because of course.
@@Don-ol8ze it's god awful. they killed galadriel's husband off screen in season 1 (they never even cast him) so she can be a badass girlboss who don't need no man. then they have a will they or won't they between sauron and galadriel, while elrond gets will they or wont they with durin the 4th for the whole season 1, then season 2 comes and sauron gets a will they or wont they with celebrimbor, and without any will they or won't they galadriel and elrond start making out.
The firepower of orc artillery in this battle is f*cking baffling. They could level a city in a day with those missiles. Then they bring out the saddest and most explosion-prone battering ram in middle earth
Yeah if you can bash down a mountain with your siege engines I'm thinking the city doesn't stand much of a chance.
Just the idea of throwing a rock at a mountain and knocking it over is so insane I can't wrap my head around it.
reminds me of the big laser cannon battering ram thing in The Last Jedi, that thing was ridiculous
Don't forget the Elves who kept going to where the missiles were landing. Over and over again elf women and children were out in the open. Stupid.
@@denisl2760 As much as I hate TLJ at last that thing was ripped off a dreadnaught, so it made slightly more sense.
@@hawkticus_history_corner what would've made sense is to fire that thing from orbit
slowly wheeling it towards the gate was nonsense supposed to invoke some kind of medieval siege
The battle of the two towers was supposedly based off of the 1683 siege of Vienna. In the real world the ottoman empire tried to destroy the walls using explosives and underground saphers. After two months of holding out the winged hussars of Poland and other allies charged the ottomans at the very last minute made them route. Which makes since considering tolken likely interacted with a large number of historians. It was an amazing battle and it was a great one to choose for a fantasy setting.
He was an historian and being one and a long time member of his college he would have known many different specialists of different periods. But the siege of Vienna in 1683 is the kind of event that any serious person in a history department at Oxbridge in the 20th C would would have had knowledge of, particularly as it was seen then as a pivotal turning point in European history.
Yeah well *this* battle was based on the historical battle of Hollywood versus the Homeless, where tragically, both sides lost.
Battle of Minas Tirith is based on that, not Helm's Deep I think. Minas Morgul was Constantinople, then got lost to the Turks, then "defiled", the second bastion was Vienna, which is Minas Tirith and cavalry arrives there both in history and the books. In the book cavalry doesn't show up at Helm's Deep but it is infantry led by Erkenbrand.
The Winged Hussars do be ARRIVING!
Amazing to think that single charge by maybe a few hundred men probably saved the entirety of western civilisation from falling to the darkness of Islam. Well, for 400 years at least..
RIP Bernard Hill. Thanks for such a great performance in LOTR
I love the scene where he is at the top of the ridge, and looks over the impossible mob siege of Gondor in the Pellenor Fields. And then just pulls himself together and rallies the troops anyway. "Spears shall be shaken! Shields will be splintered! A sword-day.... a red day, and the sun rises!
And then he runs down the line. "Ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor! Ride for ruin, and the world’s ending!"
just epic. Every bit as good as the book. I was in tears 🥴
Imagine having a ready made template of how to film an Orc battle effectively…then completely ignoring it. 😂😂😂
Thats everything though.....
The budget probably went on gender association training, DEI team acceptance consultation and compulsory feminine spa sessions , and emotional damage out of court settlements.
Pffft. Why copy something a MAN made when you can clearly do better because you're a womXn!
Wait, that's not how the world works?
You just summed up modern day Hollywood in two sentences.
How sad is that.
Pretty sad. I think the problem lies in the fact that these people think they can make a better version of the one they're copying. Nope. They are 3rd rate at best.
It’s the death of expertise. No one knows how to do these things anymore. Those who can are either retired or have been pushed out to be replaced by morons.
Beg to differ. It's a fucking delivery company with too much money that thinks it can make great cinema and television and games.
No. Big money is in the hands of the subverters. Not only in the film industy.
this is more true than you know, "ghostring". More than you know. I remember talking to comic book artist Neil Adams. he said he same thing. whether in movies or making new comic books or "experts" doing special effects, the "expertise" of doing it well is gone. EVEN IN MOVIE MUSICAL scores, the excellency is gone. Doing good background sets, that too is usually nothing of quality now.
Absolutely correct. And it's happening in every industry, in every state.
@@lukeyznaga7627 Don't bring up movie scores. I'll cut off my ears if I have to listen to the seagull song from the Ghetto Mermaid again.
I love how they think that they can just stop full on cavalry charge in the last second np ez.
The horse stomping alone would be louder than Adar's whiny "Halt!" but all riders heard it at the same time and were immediately able to stop their warhorses with armor on top of them... just end me pls
They are magical, magical I tell you
They're special edition Elven horses with anti-lock brakes and traction control.
@@Onkuty Also Gayrond just wispers some random words, doesn't even give a proper order.
Why is Galadriel such an important hostage anyway? She is a warrior like everyone else there, fully prepared to lose their lives..
13:14 Elrond rides the worse horse actor there!
Drinker: I have no idea what's going on.
The people who made the show: Neither do we.
lmbo!
9:02 “Where the f*ck do you think the water would go then? Would it just, like… give up and go home?” 😂😂😂
The water diversified, equally.
The water left the show just like the Tolkien fans.
@@RealDecado not just Tolkien fans, but practically every reasonable person.
THE WATER IS ALWAYS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT!
Nestle took the water
Orcs trying to kill Sauron? Stupidest show ever.
They just do whatever Adar says, you saw them be hesitant at some points
You just don't understand the genius of this show! They represent the bravery of the working class rising up against their oppressors! Unionize! Unionize! Un-ion-ize!
They're like the *excellent* writers of this show demanding more money for all their hard work!
SuBVeRtInG eXpEcTaCiONs
Don't think you understand it lol
Understanding something like this show does not equal being entertained by it, except perhaps as unintentional comedy. It's like trying to 'understand' The Happening, or any bad film that thinks it's smart
Absolutely diabolical. I just watched the finale which is equally horrific.
satanic deturpation of Token, absolute gruesome and grotesque
Calling this a battle is giving it too much credit. It actually made GOT season 8 look decent.
Bro that’s way too far. At least you can actually SEE the events in this one.
@@alihashim3855 To me that's why it's better. I don't have to see how terrible it is
It might have made GOT final battle look decent, nothing can make the final season look good
@@alihashim3855That fight was dog shit and it still made more sense than this
Nothing can make GOT season 8 look decent. Nothing. NOT ANYTHING.
The cavalry charge makes no sense. The horsemen to the far flanks won't see Galadriel or Elrond stopping in time and should charge into the enemy, and the ones in the very back should crash into the people in front as it is a cavalry CHARGE and not a gallop. Also the orcs have a huge amount of non-spear weapons. Spears are a very powerful weapon and cost less metal than swords or axes. They are also effective against cavalry and other weapons.
It's just dumb bud.
Furthermore, if Elrond is behind the orcs he should be hitting their supplies. Unless the orcs were setup for a pincer, which makes no sense like everything else in RoP.
Goes back to Drinkers point that the battlefield makes no sense.
Yep as you said the ones at the back have to slow down first, if the ones in front slow even a tiny bit. All your horses and riders are going to be badly hurt. They would need a lot of forewarning to stop a full on cavalry charge, as all the riders at the back won't hear any orders over all those the thundering hooves. Literally the entire front of a formation stopping or slowing could break hundreds of horses ankles. They can't stop on a dime like that, that's one way to give your horses shattered legs and have to be put down for their own benefit. It's another reason why cavalry charges are more often than not a last resort as it's all or nothing attack. Infantry would have plenty of time to bring out pikes and spears to halt/slow the charge and once you stop the charge... cavalry gets decimated. Once you start charging, you have no choice but to plough through which even if successful results in heavy losses. It's why in later ages cavalry stopped doing headlong charges unless the infantry were caught out of formation or position. Cavalry archers were more useful, which honestly you would think the elves would have at this point, as they were highly effective at being in smaller trained groups and wheeling around in front of an enemy battle line, firing arrows and taunting the enemy to chase them.
@@MajorSmurf Yes, agree completely. All they had to do was watch a tour de France crash and they'd get the point. Furthermore, these Elves are thousands of years old, having survived endless battles against Morgoth and his legions. You would have assumed that they would have mastered combat by now.
Reminds me of playing Age of Empires and you can just hit the stop command to abruptly stop all of your units.
@@MajorSmurf The whole point of a cavalry charge is to CRASH into the enemy and BREAK them in two. It happens when you ride as fast as you can while still keeping a formation and ride THROUGH the whole army, not even using your weapons as much as just crushing your enemies against your horses and themselves. The spears and lances might get a few kills too, but only for the folks on the very tip of the formation. And you have to ride through the whole opposing formation to not get stuck and ripped down from your saddle and beaten to death with your gender study diploma.
Rings of Power is just fan fiction.
Billion dollar Tumblr production.
Ermm, last time I checked fan fiction is written by fans.
@@The_Reality_Filterso it's fiction fiction?
The Tumblr generation is at work. Maybe not work, but whatever you'd call this.
@@odstjackson Fan Fiction - Fiction , had the same thought like those bad star trek fan movies , if only they had money
It is BAD fan fiction. Probably Jeff Bezos paid the writers to incorporate some of his stupid ideas. ;)
Never thought I would see a worse battle than the battle for Winterfell 😂
How did you SEE the battle for Winterfell? It was all just black!
I’m convinced it’s only UA-camrs left watching this show! 😂
And the RoP shills
@@goodputin4324 the RoP shills never watched the show in the first place though
Disparu is watching it some how
I watched season 1. I wanted it to be good. Can't be bothered for 2. It's dead on arrival.
@@NixNay90 same for me.
Why can't they portray large scale in this show?? Why does it seem like there's 15 Elves defending the whole city? Why is the asian elf the only one riddled with arrows? If they can do that to her, why aren't they all riddled with arrows like that? Arrows make no sense in this show, the arrows themselves are plot MacGuffins. Nothing makes sense.
The bleeding heart Orc who doesn't want to meat shield the battle doesn't make sense, it's like it doesn't understand who Sauron is or the implications of anything, but seems to be the most intelligent Orc, it makes no sense.
I just wrote something similar regarding the lack of any sense of scale. What the heck are they spending their billion-dollar budget on if they can't swing more extras and some better costumes & scenery?
Also why all of a sudden did like 6 orc archers all decide to shoot specifically this one asian elf at the same time with pinpoint accuracy from several different sides?
Thank you! The whole show feels so tiny
@@anon2752 in the middle of Helm's deep battle Aragorn noticed uruk runner and ordered Legolas to kill him. Legolas pinched that poor uruk with arrows but he still blew up the wall.
Maybe asian elf scene was inspired by that
@@anon2752 They belonged to Adar's Asian Hate Special Forces team.
I think one of my biggest gripes about this is the elves just don't look like elves. The armor the movements nothing is elegant or smooth or even competent. There just regular humans in a random town. The original trilogy did this perfectly.
That black elf with a buzz cut is very Tolkienian, anyone who says otherwise is a bigot.
I agree. The ones in this series also don't look like warriors, period. Gil Galad looks like he was recruited from your local pancake house to enter a dressup contest.
Yeah those plastic halloween costumes are just the icing on the obese middle-aged elf-cake.
Now I just want some cake.
They have plastic Spock ears so you just know they are elves.
@@uvicjames exactly from what I've been seeing in media after the witcher/dragon age. The elves there it makes sense why there are more to be blunt, human. Which is a cool concept but after that everyone in the media just went with that concept for all elves in all mediums.
as a non book reader but huge LotR fan. I have enjoyed not knowing stuff all about the events. Loving that the fan base pointing out all that is wrong and the obvious flaws in the show and learning more through the comments which have been amazing
Read the books. It’s worth it..
Let's face it, the only audience remaining for RoP are UA-camrs making videos to trash it. And for this, these people deserve a medal.
This would be a good comment if it were true
what medal? 🤡
@@LUlinaaa_13267kitt medal of patience because i don't think sane person have the patience to watch rop garbage
Lord of the Rings from Temu
That must be where they got those gold blankets and plastic "armour" plates to put on the horses.
from wish..
I despise Temu.
That is an an insult to Temu. It deserves better. And i hate Temu.
Absolutely spot on 😂😂😂
My favourite part of the latest Rings of Power episode is when Sauron invited Galadriel to his Diddy party.
Joke's on him, she has a larger "diddy" than him
😂😂😂
Too soon
Ain’t no party like a Diddy party - LeBron James
There were allegedly thousands of bottles of orc baby oil
I thought orcs needed cover during the day as the sun hurt them? I know why they were able to walk around during the day in Mordor because of the cloud of ash from the volcano....so how did they get an army that size ALL the way to Eriador without one single elf noticing? I mean that is quite a trek to be carving covered pits like they did in the first season to cover themselves...and huge pits at that considering the size of their supposed army.
It was just a little tunnel because they were marching in single line. Every time the orc digging at the front got tired, the orcs behind him ate him and the next orc continued digging.
Did the battle happen at Daytime or Night Time?
Yes. 😂
This battle probably was not even in the books. They have been making up most of the stuff around the making of the rings. There isn't really much at all written on this to begin with.
I also seem to remember in the first season, Adar and the orcs had to dig miles of tunnels to travel bc they couldn't stand sunlight. Galadriel even used it to torture Adar with.. Now I guess they don't mind.
@@sonia_kl99 nahh they got them anti sunlight skill from the perk tree so its fine
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 as far as I know there is a battle for the city, but the setting is actually different, I think it is Sauron doing the siege to get the rings, but I don't remember all the details.
@@Ignamolle yeah, this. I'm not sure the details are ever covered, but I do know that Sauron's big betrayal is that he leads an orc army and sacks Eregion, getting his hands on all the rings except the 3.
The more I look at Rings of Power, the more I think perhaps we treated The Hobbit Trilogy too harshly.
No we didnt. It was shit. And it still is. A bigger pile of shit doesnt change the fact that the smaller pile of shit, is in fact, still a pile of shit.l
First two hobbit movies were average with some great moments in them. The third one is bad.
I think those Hobbit movies can be saved in the edit. The Hobbit to me is what the prequels are to original Star Wars trilogy. I do like the Hobbit films more than the prequels though.
NO! That still decreases standards over time
@@jmanjman2685 actual battle of 5 armies is everything wrong with movie battles today. Just boring CGI mess
For those who have watched this abomination of a show, the National Suicide Hotline is 988.
best comment on here, thanks
thank you brother
Will they give me step-by-step instructions?
thank you for your service
Dammit the line's busy!
You forgot to mention the abrupt change from night to day. No sunrise, or transition, just okay its daytime now.
As an asian myself.... seeing asian elf in supposed to be Tolkien realm really pisses me off.
Either make all the elves black Asian or white. Not every fudging race under the sun. It just doesn't make sense
As a whitie myself. I am also irritated seeing that shit.
@@gageshippy2256as a white person of South American descent, albeit by way of Germany, Scotland and previously Scandinavia and possibly Russia… I too am annoyed by this shite.
As an effing Mexican "sort of white" guy I TOTALLY hate this show.
@@Whymisterioughta your ethnicity is as confusing as this show is terrible but I'm glad we agree.
This series is a missed opportunity. Sauron was supposed to be a pseudo Promethean figure generating religious engineering in Harad and Rhûn with the metallurgical revolution he made in the east and south. He could be like Mephistopheles from Goethe's Faust or Azazel from the book of Enoch.
Galadriel was supposed to be a sage and a political opponent of Annatar's reformist ideas. She could be like a philosopher-queen. She used arguments and debates to fight Sauron in Eregion. She was such a fierce enemy that Annatar instigate Celebrimbor and the Jewelers to stage a coup d'etat on Galadriel and Celeborn.
Númenor is a moral and theological story about life vs death vs immortality vs human nature.
Harad and Rhûn were inspired by Ancient Aethiopia and Asia.
The missed opportunity was already in the premise of the show. Nobody cares about the forging of the rings. Its a footnote. Backstory. Make the show about Numenor. That mightve been interesting.
@@TheSuperappelflap One thing that disappointed me, since the end of Season 1 with the Forge of the 3 elven rings, and now in the creation of the 7 rings of the children of Aulë: it lacks a visual impact and subtlety that brings emotion.
Objects, artifacts and creations, with the "hands" of Ilúvatar's children and angels, have a spiritual aspect that influence destinies in Arda. They are true artifacts, impossible to replicate: the Silmarils; the One Ring; Narsil; Sting; the Rings of Power.
The forge scenes do not have The Impact of a "unspoken importance" - it is more a sentiment than being told by the characters that these Rings will shape and impact 2 entire eras of Arda.
In the series, the Forge is something generic, much more is TALKED than SHOWN - Show, Don't Tell. I remember the forge scene of Narsil "transforming" into Anduril in The Return of The King - a sword shown in a few minutes will change the destiny of all humanity.
Rings of Power, with a 1 billion budget, with more than 15 hours of viewing, didn't bring that!
Sauron, as has been the norm lately, is portrayed as a positive character. After all, what is happening in the USA is pure Satanism.
Sauron, as has been the norm lately, is portrayed as a positive character. After all, what is happening in the USA is pure Sat ani s m.
Saying it's a missed opportunity is an understatement.
5:44 Look at this city. There is beaches, ships, docks and ZERO fucking walls!
9:14 Now compare to this shit, that's two completely different places 💀💀💀
You’re right! What a bunch of hacks!
100% lmao
Haha good spot!
Not to mention that in the background of the city the huge mountain with a waterfall was divided into two mountains with a valley and no waterfall
THEY HAVE WALLS NOW?!?! They have walls now.
Definitely appreciate your input. Look forward to seeing more of your content.
Any army using medieval weapons would use shields. It's totally ludicrous that no one has a shield in this battle.
Haha, true. Everyone in this battle dual wields or fences for some reason 😂
@@Valen-mh9fh The reason is the writers know nothing about medieval combat or weapons or tactics.
Even Peter Jackson failed there. Remember the shields of the Rohirrim hanging from the saddles?
Especially if they were using swords, and then stabbing swords preferably. In the crush of that kind of battle it is hard to swing a sword. Even spearmen would carry a backup stabber in case the spear broke.
@@LuisNunes-ps4slHe used light cavalry all wrong anyway. They should have ridden around using their arrows and generally being a distraction. They were not a shock cavalry force with big horses, armor, and long lances. Charging like they did was stupid.
Bro the Asian elf getting Halo Jackal sniped was hysterical. So freaking cheesy.
My mind played _Adagio for Strings_ as it happened
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Lmao, how did you remeber that? Thats so accurate.
Jackal sniper would have only taken one shot
5 invisible orcs materialized from out of nowhere and for no reason shot her at the same time. They couldn't know Elrond told her to F up the machine
moving siege engines across a wet swamp land, sure. Even modern day battle tanks wouldnt be able to cross that without sinking in the mud.
They would have had to build a road, or at least planks, across it beforehand.
I think this episode is an excellent argument for why Hollywood writers should be forced to go outside once in a while.
@@davidcox3076 It’s not like there was a long bridge they could have rolled them up…..oh wait, there was.
6:53 I honestly think armored horses physically could NOT stop their momentum during a full-speed charge, certainty not the ones behind the main leader.
The people behind this series are clearly not reading the history of ww1 where the lotr are somewhat inspired idk
Drinker, this analysis is one of your finest. A masterpiece!
The Two Towers-"Legolas!!! What do your Elf eyes see?"
*Legolas sees 50 Orcs 5 miles away
Rings of Power- "Evening-Guard-Duty-Ahir! What do YOUR elf eyes see?"
*The evening guards at Eregion fail to see a massive army of shrieking, howling orcs and dozens of war-machines roll right up into their biscuits.
Very season 8 Game-of-Tthrones-esque
Noldor < Sindar
At least, Game of Thrones was tremendously amazing at Season 1 and Season 2, with few others good seasons, which represent years of nice discussion and unforgetable moment. Ring of power discussion is really not the same, I remember Peter Dinklage seeking a serious role instead of absurd role, because he is a dwarf, Tyrion was the result of that desire and he was clever and funny, hard to do, and also how they could possibly killed Ned the main character. It was shocking.
@@EvilDoresh Wdym Sindar are better than the Noldor.. the Sindar never went to Valinor and did not evoke under the direct influence of the Valar. They're basically just the nobility of the Silvan wood elves.
Of course. No patrols in the forest or on the roads. No alarm on either side when all messaging suddenly stops between Eregion and all the other Elf settlements and goes on for weeks or longer. They leave the opposite shore of the river completely tree-filled against all military guidance. They possess no city defenses other than the wall and small arms. Nothing. Huge army moves many miles over many days and arrives opposite them completely undetected. Okay, sounds reasonable.
@@damianmensch8224 Because Legolas is leagues better at everything than the Noldor forces of RoP.
Peter Jackson made a whole trilogy for 250 million $, and This shit costs a billion per season.
Should I say more???
The dehydration gun’s duty as a corporate killer is coming ever closer…
Is like 450-500mi adjusted. But your point still stands.
And that includes New Zealand landscape, actual miniatures and rigorous make ups
I would guess, this can only be explained by inflation.
@@ngogol1748 True, but if You consider inflation, it would cost like 400 million today.
And if we compare it to today's blockbusters, every blockbuster is today at least 200 million, and PJ made whole trilogy for 400 million, ( if we consider inflation ), which is insane.
For anybody who wants to get into storytelling. Watch this show so you know what NOT to do.
Yes it helps so good.
In Germany we like to say: “Nobody is useless. He can still serve as a deterrent example.”
Actually the show features some of the best storytelling right now. But it's wasted on people that don't understand or can't appreciate it.
@@FilmscoreMetaler😂😂😂😂😂
I'm already taking notes
It's like one of the showrunners played an RTS game like Age of Empires 2 where siege weapons had the "attack ground" command, and didn't realize IT ISN'T MEANT TO ATTACK THE ACTUAL GROUND.
"Look at the north at the first sunlight" ....they ripped off both the battle of Helms Klam and at Pelenor fields . This series has no ideas, no logic, no integrity, no timing, no pace.... it's just another "Wheel of time" , dragging Tolkien's beautiful heritage in the mud.
I mean, it is kind of ironically funny how they attempted to copy something, but made it so exponentially worse that all it receives is mockery. If you watch any of the "experts rating movies for realism" series, where warfare experts rate movies, they will almost all say "but it looks cool", but you can't even say that about this show
Don’t forget them copying Boromirs death with diversity elf? Of course it took more arrows to kill her though 😂
@@ecparke It's easy to make a terrible copy if you don't understand the original
I got half an episode through "Wheel of Time". Never read the book or books. The grrrrl power was so in the face I turned it off. I don't hate female main characters but when every strong character is female and the males are only weak, craven or evil, it's not story-telling.
@@cvn6555 that’s the problem with these “modern writers”, they’re simply incapable of creating strong female characters without weakening others at their own expense. it’s beyond cliche at this point in history.
What can men do against such reckless shows?
not watch them. if we keep giving these dumasses money and an audience they wont stop
lol haha
Comment out and roast them
ignore them
@@Dan-od6zx change the channel🤦🏾♀️
the sheer audacity of these 'writers' is truly mind blowing, they look at the incredibly well written and univerally loved works of peter jackson and more importantly JRR Tolkien and really think to themselves 'nah they got it all wrong, we know better.' and then proceed to destroy the name Lord of the Rings with their absolute incompetence, it’s vile I can usually just laugh at them and let it go but trying to one up boromirs death is where the line has gotta be drawn
I hated the Peter Jackson films, the hamfisted simpleton
@@DavidKArrrrgh Sounds more like you hate Jackson and by proxy anything he is associated with. Such a sad state of being though, you actively need to go onto the internet to project your hatred of a stranger to other strangers, you can quite easily say you hate the films but do you really need to display your own immaturity by following it with a personal insult
And for OP, welcome to modern t.v. and film, the show runners and directors all seem to think they know best and destroy every piece of classic work they touch whilst, much like the above comment, constantly insulting the audience as racist misogynist bigots, makes you appreciate articulate criticism like that of the drinkers where he can tear apart trash without becoming a child and name calling to appear edgy
@@daviddrotos561 he completely dumbs down all the characters and simplifies the story, taking away all the nuances. Merry, Pippin and Boromir are unrecognisable and Gimlis “comedy” is excruciating
@@DavidKArrrrgh ok cool that's all well and good and I agree with some criticisms but why the need for the personal insult towards him afterwards? Any time in any situation in any walk of life, you make a point and follow it with a personal insult it immediately diminishes your point.
@@daviddrotos561 what are you, Peter Jackson’s mum or something?
Get a grip
The description of Boromir's death brought tears to my eyes. Well done
Orc's trebuchet: +200% more damage against mountain; -100% damage against city walls
WHich is entirely realistic. Given all the variables involved in a single shot.
@@wiretamer5710 No its not, don't be a fool.
I smell US physics (non)education here.
Orcs are taking out mountains all the time. They live in them like dwarves
@@wiretamer5710you know, nature is pretty good at making things. Mountains don’t just crumble when you throw rocks at them.
It’s why we use high explosives to make tunnels through mountains.
0:13 why does she have a seizure in anticipation of every arrow hit?
That's her inner tempest being released.
"gotta catch 'em all"
@@The_Reality_Filterher tempest being the 1000 year long menopause
@@sebthelobster Exactly! 😅
@@The_Reality_Filter I always though that inner tempest was mainly gas and it was released via mighty winds.
A billion dollars a season eh? It looks like a classic Doctor Who / Blake’s 7 quarry filming session with LARP armour. Do the guys underneath the Amazon bosses all suddenly have Ferraris, motorboats and holiday homes in Sochi?
The best part of rings of power are this kind of videos. Love how they are taking them apart in a massive way xD
I last saw LOTR 15 years ago. Still got goosebumps from the Boromir scene
The other thing that really bugs me is that in the original trilogy the elves are extremely synced up, organized, and straight up graceful whenever you see them in combat, particularly in the first movie with The Last Alliance in Mordor.
In this dumpster fire though they are the complete opposite of that and watching them fight feels like watching a clip of me in middle school swinging around a training sword.
yeah, not even the excuse that they have not reached that level yet, slowly getting better or something, by this point they should be a well oiled machined or at least a machine
Eregion is thousands of years before those elves and at least a thousand years after the first age -- none of the Eregion elves fight or see conflict. They are ritual guards of a jewelry city. You are also watching the events that lead to societies and groups forming those elves. The host the Elrond arrives with become scattered in the river bed fighting, immediately spreading out to fight 10 to 1 as the horde is able to assault a large area against the now exposed wall. This is that first battle! Elrond was a baby when Morgoth was defeated -- the black years where the elves learn how to fight against Sauron's forces are later.
You had training swords in middle school?! Cool!
@@anhi399 I get that story angle, but where is the effort from the show to even hint at that ? They have infinite ways to show either unpreparedness, or limited skills ... we never get to see how many soldiers defend Eregion beyond the 15 people recycled and reused all the time... It was incredibly bad directing.
That's thousands of years in the future.
In this series they haven't had a battle in thousands of years. Isn't it nornal to be out of shape?
The only thing that could have made the episode worse would be if we got subjected to more Harfoots.
I hate this things. They are evil creatures! 😡
Ah ha! Notgandalf and an army of Harfoots come to the rescue at the beginning of the next episode and make everything OK.
@@freewheeler8924 You've seen the script...
yeah i am glad i didnt have to see those feminist hobbits and those weird gay scenes with bombadil and gandalf
Just wait, buddy 😅😅😅😅
Pin cushion Asian elf gets up proclaiming her sciatica has been cured, and then blows up the siege machine. Thus, the battle was won, and acupuncture was invented at the same time.
Why does the elf cavalry look like it's a 2-D cartoon?! And why are all the horses white? Elves aren't dumb enough to breed warhorses purely for color. Thirdly, in Amazon's stupid DEI world, isn't a white cavalry kinda...racist?
I stand by the notion that somebody on the staff has their own agenda and it's based around their fetish for horses... A compilation from the episodes so far would make Mr. Hands bust.
The prussians bred cavalry to be black, but that was mostly done by nobility.
You got the point. The elves are the bad boys (and gals).
Well there was a scene where a numenorian horse kicked and killed a poor orc family man...that was pretty brutal white supremacy from that horse
indeed, why there is no inclusivity for the horses??
The very notion of Galadriel getting captured by orcs is outrageous.
Entire show is an outrage tbf
They are probably surprised it happened cause they totally forgot to restrain her properly.
Bob in the comments. Nice!
If it would be Galadriel she would nuke the ork army with a handwave
Hi. You’re Bob Gymlan.
Thank you for taking the pain for all true LotR fans Drinker- I could literally watch this show for free, but I find myself eagerly awaiting the next episode of The Penguin instead. Such a tragic waste.
you forgot to mention how 2 or 3 of the main characters suffer clearly dealdly wounds and then are just strollig around like nothing happened the scene after
River gets blocked and it just f*cking evaporates 😂
Leaving a passable filed to cross. Not meters of mud and silt that would swallow up orcs and horses and large siege contraptions. They are insulting us.
A billion dollars and not 1 cent was spent on experienced fantasy writers
Huh? This is a rom-com, why would they need fantasy writers?
George RR martin is still working on the script for season 1 episode 1
The writers for season 2 are all female, and amazon is very proud of it and calls it "diverse" 😂
Or actors who can...what’s the word? Oh right. ACT.
@@timmian85snert
12:05 she's wearing plate armour that could take alot of arrows. Borromir was not. But here I go expecting armour to work.
Whats the armour? We don´t use this in California.
Don't you get it? It was made in China.
@@iidentifyaspureblood943 Then it would look much better. This was made by some woke dodder.
The only working armor in this mess would be plot armor. 😇
@@clefsan She didnt had the 1.000.000 obvious plot armor on her that Isildur had when running into quicksand. Boi that scene was tense smart writing Amazon
This was probably your best vid analysis of this season 🤣
Elrond: STOP the charge! Galadriel is directly in our path!
Audience: SO????
Considering how much at the front she is, they would have smashed the orcs far away from her and rescued her. Also stopping 1000s of horsemen or horseelves like that would be a sheer feet.
The battles in LOTR are terrible in terms of accuracy and realism, I was hoping they would improve up that.
They havent watched the battle of bastard, charging on the enemy to save the king alone in the middle
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"Hey its Mike Ehrmantroll. I've been looking out for him all season!"
"Oh he died"
The lady with arrows in her back - bodies... don't work like that. She clearly has damaged or shattered shoulder blade by arrows in places that would restrict her arm movement. Shooting a bow is challenging in healthy body. With blood loss, pieces of wood that penetrate your body and pin the muscles in place shooting accurate shot... No. Just no.
Dude this is my biggest medieval/fantasy pet peeve ever. The fact that archery is given a 'dex' role when it should be a strength one.
The power of arrow shots is always basically just treated like a dart or similar. Not the fucking thunderbolt of power behind a bow with a high draw.
In fantasy, Arrows should be hitting with terrain changing power. They should be like miniature cannon hits. Arrows are not gentle little piercing bolts. They never show the kind of power they have.
You could say the same about Boromirs arrows too. . . .
It's a theatrical device called 'suspension of disbelief'. In the case of a well-developed character with whom the audience has an emotional investment, such as Boromir, it is always excusable. Especially given his considerable size, strength and wild determination to save the Hobbits. In the case of 'Asian Lady Elf 27' it is actually so inexcusable and overdone, it becomes laughable. Lol
@@JayFulcanelli--111 I get the idea. But throwing blows with sword is a different thing than shooting accurately with a bow. I can suspend a disbelief when someone wounded throws something or shoots the gun, but archery is a lot to ask for :D and you're right about Boromir it had meaning for the story, and his established character. This lady it's just a plot device, because story needed it.
@@dawidwidera1819 Yes, agreed, it's not earned at all and even cheapens Boromir's sacrifice due to the inevitable comparison between the two scenes
Thank you Critical Drinker for taking the bullet for the rest of us. If it wasn't for you and Nerdrotic I might have actually tried to watch middle earth, but now I'm so glad I dodged the bullet. Thanks and keep up the good work suffer for those of us who just want to watch something good.
The elvish plastic surgeons did a great job on Elrond between ROP and LOTR.
the same guys got rid of the asian and black elves :)
@@Gotten1888 That happened when they elected Trump elf as king.
With a few drinks, that whole battle scene was comedy gold.
Asian elf lady: "It's over, isn't it. We're all going to die."
Elrond: "No, we got this."
Turns around and watches her get shot 6 times.
Fuckin' hilarious.
All the human with pointy ears pretending to be the elves are insufferable in the show. A complete disgrace to Tolkien's legacy.
mrna injected "humans".
IKR they don't even try to make them otherworldly and they completely ignore elven culture.
They're super diverse, though!
@giantent763 It's like they purposely ignore the spirituality and sense of the divine. I haven't watched it, and refuse to, but just watching these human-like elves, I do not get a sense that they have seen the Valar or acknowledge "The One." I know they have no rights to The Silmarillion, but even Peter Jackson was able to make them otherworldly, shown by a glow that seems to come from within.
lmao LOTR isnt for you right-wing snowflakes. You guys lose in the movies, just saying.
When "execute Galadriel" sounds like a proper plan, you know things just went mordorth
Additional point: Jackson's armor, on both sides, looks great. ROP's armor looks like the cheap ill-fitting plastic stuff it is.
This looks more like that D&D movie (not the new one, the old one with Jeremy Irons)
to much money went ot the diverse cast
My biggest peeve with Rings of power is that it Does not look like a FANTASY, The story line is all over the place with very modern Character Flaws. And the music is SHIT.
That's the thing when someone claims to make something "diverse" and for the "modern audience", it just ends feeling like modern USA... And lame
Crap now that you say it, there is no iconic music either than kinda the main theme.
"music is SHIT"? You very clearly never watched the show, or must be deaf. Many things can be said about the show, but the music being shit isn't one of them. But people will desperately say anything to appear edgy and farm some likes.
THIS! I'm surprised with how few people are talking about the soundtrack. It is complete garbage. One of the reasons LotR was so great was because of the score. 700m budget and they couldn't produce 1-2 iconic pieces?!
@@a_kazakis The main theme, Where Shadows Lie, Galadriel, Khazad-dûm, Valinor, This Wandering Day, ... choose one.
When the Drinker breaks out his thesaurus, you know you’re gonna have a good time. 0:54
This is actually better than watching the series.