Hands on with the new BMCC6K Full Frame | SUNSET and LOW LIGHT FOOTAGE | Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2023
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Here is part 2 of my hands on with the new Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K FULL FRAME! Some shots were stabilized using the gyro data and I have to say, gyro works much better than any IBIS I tested!
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The fact that this image is available for $2600 is NUTS to me....I really don't get how some people aren't able to see how insane the value this camera is! I LITERALLY CAN'T WAIT TO GET 1!
Because they didn’t grow up with a 5D Mark II my friend. They are spoiled 😂
@@matteobertoli haha very true
exactly
Amen ! To a lot of these people nothing means enough. This is unbelievable Blackmagic Design they are saints in the camera industry amazing equipment for a more than reasonable price we gotta get to work.
We'll it's more like 5000 something with the lenses but your point is still salient.
Thanks for all the work you do for the community.
So many people moaning about this camera, no ND, not boxy, no AF... people get a %@&# life! We can all see that the image is simply incredible especially when you compare the difference between the BTS camera used here and the 6k. I’m sold!
When it comes to texture, colour and depth bm is untouchable for the price. Can clearly see you’ve mastered getting the best out of this cam. Thank you for this
First, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. The low-light capabilities are what I've been waiting to see, and it did not disappoint in the slightest. Incredibly clean at 1250, and it is clear you can easily film night scenes with minimal light. Love it
Yes it's good, but I still need to test it against the BMPCC6K. I think they might be very close to be honest, but the full frame is noticeable more clean with less chroma noise from the very first tests I am doing at home. It's all a working progress so will keep you guys updated!
@@matteobertoli When can we expect the comparison? I would be interested in that, especially low light! Thank you
This series of videos are a brilliant resource for the community, thank you for putting in the effort and sharing!
This looks mindblowing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and helping us with cinematography in every film!
Yep this is the only upgrade that makes sense to me now! Full Frame 6k open gate, excellent lowlight performance, I'm sold!
At first, I was disappointed with this update from Blackmagic, but the image and the price are excellent. The FF sensor is actually doing some "black magic".
Great low light performance, good job. Could we see a 6k vs 6k FF dynamic range comparison in the future? Even it's just 13 vs 13.5 on paper, I definitely noticed the improvement in many shoots, thanks!
Amazing camera, and skilled operator make for stunning footage. Thanks.
Amazing work Matteo. Thank you.
Great work again! Thanks for all your efforts
Great stuff Matteo. Thanks for sharing.
Insane!! Cannot wait to get this camera
Amazing images! the new BM is definitely a beast in any light setting. Keep'em coming Matteo!
Thanks, Matteo... love the low-light capabilities of this camera!
Dang!!!!! The footage looks soooooo good!
Great info and footage! Thanks!
Really beautiful! :O I cant wait to get my fingers on a BMCC6k! :D
Looks fantastic. Thanks for getting out there and taking this footage.
🙏
Another lovely video from Matteo. I’m absolutely amazed by the combo of 12bit and this full frame refined Blackmagic camera body. ❤ considering to pick one up.
Great video, I’m definitely buying one! Also, the 90mm handheld looks so good!
What a great example of what the camera can do in low light. Thanks!
I love to see you enjoying fullframe 😊
Appreciate the testing footage looks fantastic. 😮
Beautiful footage
The camera is very underrated, it looks great!! Thanks for making this!
There’s only one problem with this camera.
Is that it’s not yet available to purchase😅 besides that, perfect 👌🏼
👀 these shots are amazing 😉👌🏿
Great video! Dynamic range and colour science is pretty amazing for a camera that costs less than 3K.
thanks, this is an good sensor, will order mine soon
This is so dope I hope to see some more narrative-focused sample shots from people in the near future I really want to see how this cam looks with lit scenes and Dolly movements
When I first got my hands on Canon 5DMII ages ago it blew my mind. Now seeing this WOW!
Such a cool camera
thanks alot for the great review
Impressed with your ability to get such good, steady shots handheld without IBIS. It's hard to convey how difficult that is, especially with a long focal length!
There is no ibis in professional filmmaking. It’s one of that skill you need to have in order to do this job professionally :)
@@matteobertoli I get it. But there are stabilizers in professional filmmaking. ;-). I was just complimenting you.
Thank you for an informative video, and God bless you. Love the accent.
I would like to see a comparison between the s35 mode and the old pocket 6k to understand if this new camera can completely replace the old one and serve as a perfect lenses tester tool. I love the idea of utilising the all image circle of classic photography lenses and still be able to crop for classic cine lens without worrying about image quality or performance loss
Good point
You just undersold the hell out of this camera lol. I love how the reference is full of noise and then it cuts to that beautiful image. Cheers brother !
My city! Oh Yeahhhh 😍
Praise be to your wife, ma man. Giving her time for the content!
Hope to get hand on with this beast soon.
Love that Leica look! I'm so lucky I picked up the 19mm v2 before it became expensive!
Thank you so much for the test shots Matt 🙏🏾 Do you think you could possibly do a video on the different aspect ratios when trying higher frame rates?
I have something similar coming out soon :)
I like the fact that you don't talk bullshit, and you make nice shots. Later down the road, everyone would see a comparaison with an S5IIX BRAW.
Amazing shots! Thx for sharing 🎉 so you think this new 6k is worth upgrading from p6kpro?
Man, those are some legendary steady hands you’ve got there. At 90mm my footage would look like a Bourne movie fight scene
Ahah I did used the gyro in some of those
@@matteobertoli Ah right on, that’s another great feature of these cameras!
Thank you this is great footage. Very impressive. I am not a camera complainer I am absolutely excited when the technology is pushed and the price is reasonable, I say to filmmakers get to work part time you push this camera through a project a new camera will be arriving with a little better features back in the day. We did so many things to get a good digital image. This is before DSLR‘s and all the stuff this stuff at this price is absolutely amazing. Get to work make movies.
Wow i will buy this camera i don't care about Sony low light absolutely magnificent full frame quality Like The Movies keep the good work brother you amaze me all the time
To be honest sony low light is not even that good. What’s the point of shooting at 12800 iso and going around with a ND at night? Plus color retention is not even close to Blackmagic.
Did you stabilized the handheld shots in post ? Thanks for this amazing job !
Amazing shots as always, looking forward to upgrading to this camera from the P4K. Are all of the shots here stabilised in post or just the 90mm shots? I know your handheld skills are dialled but this is insanely stable for such a light setup. I struggle without weight in the rig. Cheers,
Good stuff Matteo 👊🏿 And yes gotta get Corina that 🥩 and 🍷. She’s a trooper.
😂 😂 I did!
Nice, this looks great! Also fun for me to see compared to the Panasonic S camera since I shoot on those also. The textures on her face and everything else holds up so much better on the Blackmagic than the Panasonic here. Also the lights look much better. And noise, where is the noise? Amazing! Thanks Matteo! This is much appreciated! Looking forward to get the camera when it releases in October.
Thank you, bro, you convinced me to grab this beast ❤❤❤
Stunning images! I guess full frame does matter after all. Have you played with any other lenses?
Good stuff Matteo! Colors are amazing (look a bit like Ursa 12K) and probably the reason why I'll switch from the pocket 4K, together with the L-mount and very interesting resolution options. The framerate options are kind of strange though and no prores, although not horrible, is also a bummer (but you get proxies in return so... thats nice). In terms of "low light", ISO 2500 is already a bit rough I can tell, needs denoising which isnt the worst but still. 3200 looks to be almost "unusable" (I spot some pattern noise as well) and almost seems worse than on the pocket 4K (I dont have FPN on 3200 I mean... and maybe slightly less noise) ? Hard to tell on UA-cam. Very curious for the comparison with the 6K. I wonder what that will reveal in terms of the DR etc.
regarding the wind noise, maybe try davinci noise isolation, it's pretty incredible
It's unbelievable how much of a difference you can feel between the S5 and the BM in this video. Even on YT🙃 Grande Matteo!
I have Lumix S5 and second base iso 4000 is very clean so i think the BTS was recorded below, maybe 2500-3200... That is why it looks noisier than BM. Also there is less contrast on S5 BTS footage co its hard to compare unfortunately :(
More than the noise it was the terrible colors. I had to apply two curves in order to get rid of an insane amount of green/yellow tint. It was fluorescent. What you see here is with the fix of hue vs hue + hue vs sat + huge temperature adjustment. It was a mess.
@@matteobertoli you're right ;) i'm not saying that Lumix is better overall, i Just want to say that noise performance can't be judged by this BTS footage 👍
I completely understand what you mean man. It's not just about the technical aspects like noise; it's also about the sheer beauty of the footage. While factors like the lens and the skills of the shooter are undoubtedly crucial, there's an almost intangible quality, a feeling, that sets certain cameras apart.
The Lumix S line is undoubtedly excellent, but when you experience working with a Blackmagic camera, you can truly sense the difference. There's a unique character and depth to the footage that's hard to match.@@gz3421
@matteobertoli you help a lot of BM users with your videos. Much much appreciated 🙌🏻
thanx for the content! Will you share some of these night braw footage so we can play around with high iso settings?))) don't see it at the link you shared.
Impressive footage in low light and night. Of course in this price range, the Panasonic s5 ii is placed, too.
Hey Matteo! I just ordered this camera but I’m curious, how is the super 35 mode? Does it still have the same benefits of open gate with great low light, less noise, and better depth of field? Or does it regress back to a 6k pro?
Great video. Have you ever messed with the sigma fp much?
I thought we had reached the pinnacle of IQ in "prosumer" cameras. But the image out of this camera looks incredible.
I'm excited to try this camera out with the Panasonic 24-105 f4. That In lens stabe is going to make that combo a real powerhouse.
Yeah, me too!
I recommend getting a WAY faster lens and utilizing the gyro to stabilize the footage later on ;)
Yeah the 24-105 f/4 I use for daytime shooting, I have a T1.05 lens that I often use for later in the evening@@matteobertoliIt's going to be fun to test out the gyro
@@matteobertoli I'm also very much looking forward to trying the gyro stabe on my Panasonic 1.8's. The image quality is amaizing and I can't wait to see what the Black Magic Sensor can do with this glass.
I really can’t appreciate this on my phone. Gotta wait till I get home to watch it on my pc
Looks amazing. Great imagery.
What is interesting is that some people want box shaped cameras. But, with DSLR shaped cameras - like the BMCC6K - is that it's form factor draws less attention to you. If you had a Red camera, people will most likely feel more self conscious around you because they will know its a filmmaker's camera.
Correct. Plus they are not ok with this form factor, but somehow the FX3 is ok. Never understood why. At least I can pull focus and check false colors on the 5” monitor
@@matteobertoli Yep. That 5" inch bright monitor is hard to beat.
I wished they moved the dual gain ISO further apart. I find the S5 clean 4000 iso a bit more useful. I would like this feature not to turn night to day, but to able to use smaller apertures (making cheaper lenses usable at night) and to also be able to use lower power LED lights (that are cheaper, more power efficient making the battery last longer, etc)
I thought they moved it to 3200
The native ISO is 400 and 3200, however the second Kicks in at 1250 (clean) by the time you get to 3200 there is noise that you need to clean up in software. Panasonic second native kicks in at 4000 so its clean at this ISO.@@captainradio5894
Thanks a lot would be cool a test on the second ISO in low light. the Difference in lux between the bridge and the deck light won't allow togo beyond Iso challenging the dynamic range
Thanks this is really interesting and compliments to the young lady for sitting on the parapet, on top of that building. I couldn’t do that, too much vertigo. Laurie. NZ. 😊
The Footage looks amazing
@matteobertoli one question:
When you choose 4K DCI there is a crop to APS-C right ?
Correct, a bit less actually. Around 1.45x
Cool! Super 35 instead of APS-C
The noise from the bridge is insane.
Great engineering 😂
Hi Matteo, congrats for your work. If you dont mind i would like to make you (or anyone reading this) a question. Im going to buy this camera and im not sure witch lens should i buy the first. If you want to buy just one all-around zoom lens for this camera, witch one would be????? Shoud it has Image stabilizer in it? Obrigado!
Hi Matteo, thank you for your constant contribution. I wanted to ask you if you would have the opportunity to do some experiments in anamorphic, I think that is one of the main focuses of this camera. I also didn't understand if it has a desqueeze option in the menu and if so what factors. Thanks again
All I see in this firmware is 1.33x. I don’t have any anamorphic lenses unfortunately
thank you 🙏@@matteobertoli
Davvero un ottima prova Matteo!
Un parere, il kit Leica R conviene lasciarlo in EF o nel FF un differente attacco può sfruttarlo meglio in qualche modo (per distanze di innesto, etc)?
Grazie mille
Non so nemmeno se le facciano in altri mount. Io con EF sono comodo perché le adatto a L tranquillamente e posso usarle sulla Ursa
thanks for the review! you really see the limitation of the camera's dynamic range in the low light. it's cheap enough but probably unusable for commercial applications.
I shot a mercedes commercial at night with an original Pocket 6K. Not sure what kind of limitation you are talking about
@@matteobertoli do you have the link to it? The video from this UA-cam review doesn't showcase the cameras dynamic range if you're saying it has more to offer. On the scene with the water, it's totally black. For the price, it does the best it can, I get that...but it's not in the professional realm. Especially when compared to a Sony Venice or Alexa (which I get are more expensive options, but I could never be comfortable using the blackmagic 6k. I'd love to see a few more stops of range)
How does/did it handle the NPF batteries? How long do you think they last on this camera?
Looking great, would you say it handles shadows and it looks cleaner than the original 6K pro ?
100%
That 35 looks enven more sexier ! I'm on the Leica R train too, the Lack of ND is a thing, the huge one is PRORESS as this camera gonna be a hard sell to client. But FF, clean blacks... gyro data... 2500$ ? I'm gonna get one ! Curious about the timecode synch as I have a 6KPRO and URSA G2 as well, and would love to have them locked on without rigging tentacle.
Thanks Matteo !
First, congratulate you on your work and thank you for sharing it.
Regarding the night shots, they seem to me to have a great richness of colors, and that the camera sees the tones of the blacks very well without paste them and for me the appearance is very filmic, I have seen other night shots with A7s'/FX3 and I don't think that the color and black reproduction has that quality, even though they produce less noise and you can use higher ISOs that produce unreal and synthetic images compared to human vision.
What do you think about it or how would you compare them?
I own a ZV-E1 (same FX3 and A7s III sensor) and I tested out the A7s III at night against the Pocket before (there is a video on my channel). First of all I find it completely crazy that if I wanna get "clean" low light footage I have to switch to 12800 ISO. Found myself having to use a ND at night in the streets of Lisbon, which is quite stupid to be honest. Second, I think Sony it does an incredible poor job at managing mixed color temperatures and street lights. The fall off is super harsh and you get a lot of green/yellow cast on the skin tones. And as you said the blacks are not true blacks, they are a bit washed out. I don't know why everyone is praising that camera for low light stuff. I think the FX30 is much better, at least second ISO is at 3200 and it looks pretty decent. I also still wondering if that is a true second ISO (which I doubt) or it's a big badass denoiser just kicking in.
Yeah it's nuts I've seen videos if people using nd filters for shooting at night with that sensor, also the images look very processed on that super high second native iso, on the fx6 where you can turn off the noise reduction the 12800 iso is much noisier so it seems like it's noise reduction used to make this supposed second native iso
Mateo, I do not have the BMPCC-6KFF, but I really like the results, the image is closer to the analog, I really like the treatment of colors and blacks, the night looks night and it seems enough to work with minimal lighting without needing large lights. On the other hand, the camera allows you to work in full frame with the lenses you want using the appropriate adapter (it is a dream for any filmmaker to be able to choose the lens you like the most).
Yes, the body is plastic, and the shape is ....well......., but the image it gives you is spectacular, and also raw. Many criticisms of only 13 stops, but with 13 stops great films have been shot like jumper, 2012 ice age, etc... and in super 35, and the BMPCC 6kFF is also FF. I think in the right hands you can do whatever you want with this camera.@@matteobertoli
@@matteobertoli One of my biggest pet peeves with "modern" camera footage of the past handful of years is that people won't let dark black areas actually be dark black areas, they're always lifted to the point of washing out the image. Your low light footage with this camera looks fantastic.
Thanks Matteo for the effort you put into making this. Is the 1250/1600/3200 ISO footage gained up from the 400 ISO base, or gained down from the 3200 ISO base? thank you
Thanks Jon! Not sure what you mean but it’s dual iso. Till 1000 and then at 1250 switches to 2nd iso. Base is 400-3200, but I think 1250 you get the cleanest footage
@@matteobertoli Good to know it auto-switches the base ISO, I assumed you had to manually select it. 1600 ISO looks very clean for a Lisbon night sky which is ink black. Agree with you on how it handles mixed lighting, v impressive. It would be great to see a sunset dynamic range comparison against the 6K Pro or the G2!
What do you suggest (camera wise) if I’m looking for low-light performance, but also good autofocus?
Does this one come with the gyro stabilization in post like the 6k? Thank you for the clip, awesome presentation!
Yep
Great review, Adobe Podcast AI will clean that audio right up for you and it’s free.
Actually there is a tool in DaVinci which works great. Just didn’t know it existed 😂
Nice! Maybe you can upload few photos from that camera. What kind of file have been recorded when you press that photo button. Cheers!
First in! Dang, I'm really considering getting this camera and moving back to BM from Sony.. also your handheld is insanely stable. Did you do any stabilization with the gyro in post?
I did for some shots and holy crap! First time trying it and I was shocked. Works much better than any IBIS I tried!
@matteobertoli did you adjust your camera settings for the gyro (like people do with the pockets) or did you shoot at 180° shutter?
@@matteobertoliDid you change your shutter speed or leave it at 180°? I thought I'd seen reviews of the gyro where they said it had to be set at 90° for it to be optimal. Otherwise, I love your work.
Signed, a French subscriber 🤟
@@matteobertoliI downloaded some of your footage from Blackmagics website and even though there wasn’t too much moving, when I put the gyro on the footage, it was super smooth, and didn’t have any warping. I was surprised, coming from the BMPCC4k, it wasn’t that great. Do you know if there’s something updated with the gyro in this camera?
@@joaocorreiamedia same always 180d
Hi Matteo. Great looking footage from the new BMCC.
How do you think is it would be great in HDR workflows? The 12-bit BRAW codec for 10-bit delivery is great obviously. And how do you think the image would stretch to HDR? Thank you.
I'm aiming on shooting in studio, but with wide color and brightness in specular highlights and light sources in frame.
I have great experience in SDR with BMPCC4k With your gorgeous Buttery LUT.
Actually I have downloaded some source files from blackmagic site. And I Like what I see in HDR...
Just interesting what you think of it.
Thank you very much.
Seems weird, but I am not interested in HDR at all. It’s already a mess with iPhone footage and it looks terrible when you upload it on UA-cam. To be honest there is already so many information in both shadows and highlights that I don’t really feel the need to watch it in HDR and go through that terrible workflow. It’s fantastic already
Hey Matteo, one question, how did you mount Leica to BMCC, not sure if they are converted to EF and then you converted EF to L, or did you convert the Leica R directly to L mount. I have m645 set of mamiya lenses cine modded converted to EF, and want to buy BMCC, but not sure if I can just convert EF to L and would it be good, thanks hope it's not too confusing.
Just a 20$ ef to L adapter
Perfect, thanks!
@@matteobertoli
what do you use for the bts?
great video, but with the noise reduction in Resolve you could improve the audio a lot.
thanks Matteo. What about OLPF filter please? Many shot are great, super clean, but somes shots look less sharp than bmpcc6k, what do you think, please, about OLPF effect ?
I didn’t even post a side by side yet 😂
Are you using a viewing LUT? Buttery?
was just planning in getting the 6k pro, but I have decided to get this new 6k full frame. It's the full frame that got me. ND filters, eh, I'll just buy them for the camera, takes a minute to change when lighting conditions change, but hey, beauty is pain and the overall results is where it's at. I'm just worried if Blackmagic later next year announces the 6k pro full frame with the ND filters just for cash grab. that'll piss me off. lol
Ciao Matteo, è un piacere ed è molto utile vedere i tuoi video. Vorrei chiederti un opinione riguardo il focus peaking. Ho ancora la nostalgia di quello sulla prima pocket (poi sono passato a GH5, XT3 e S5 e li trovo inutilizzabili, di fatto è cambiato il mio modo di lavorare, costretto ad usare solo il tap focus sto perdendo interesse nel filmare) e sono indeciso se prendere una 6k g2 o questa nuova full frame. Il peaking nelle due camere è il medesimo? E hai trovato più difficoltà con full frame a tutta apertura o sei riuscito a gestirlo facilmente? Grazie mille
Uguale il peaking e funziona benissimo :)
Two things grabbed my attention the most. For one, the color separation you get with this camera. For example, at 03:05, the amount of color info present on the shot of the bald guy against the Sun is impressive. I guess the 90 mm should be helping a bit there also.
And sencond, the difference in picture quality among the night shots coming from the BM6K opposite to the Panasonic S5 ones. I don't know the settings on the S5 for this video, but I had the idea that this camera was so good in low light at 4000 iso. But compared to the 6k footage it looks super noisy.
First Gen S5 are superior in noise performance.
I have Lumix S5 and like you say, iso 4000 is very clean so i think the BTS was recorded below, maybe 2500-3200... That is why it looks noisier than BM. Also there is less contrast on S5 BTS footage co its hard to compare unfortunately :(
@@gz3421 if I’m approaching 1000 iso on the S5, I’ll go all the way to 4000 to keep things clean 🤣
That bridge sounds more like Flight of the Bumblebee than vehicle traffic.
Any thoughts on the banding issue in low light? Thinking of buying the 6K Full Frame, but after hearing many people mention the banding issue, I'm a little hesitant.
I don’t have that issue
Incredible clean shots at 1250, I'm really impressed that BM managed to pull of a great full frame cinema camera at under $2600, now all the need to do is port that sensor to the Ursa at less the $7000 and they'll kill it. Imagine a FF Ursa as an A cam and This as the B cam.
I believe it’s coming for sure! (Just speculating 😂)
I hope they will port an inhouse sensor or Fairchild rather than this old Sony sensor.
Matteo, why on earth didn’t you use Resolves A.I. Voice isolation tool? take seconds and would have cleared that wind noise perfectly. I have removed road traffic and road works from a voice before, it works SOOO well. Great video by the way. Barry UK
I don’t even know what it is. But I’ll give it a try. I am buried with work and I am pushing out content as fast as I can. Will try it out next time! Cheers
Haha❤❤❤