Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K vs Panasonic Lumix S5ii [Including BRAW]
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00:00 - Start
00:33 - Test 1
00:57 - Step up
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02:47 - Test 2
04:02 - Test 3
04:31 - Test 4
05:11 - Test 5
06:22 - Test 6
07:31 - Test 7
08:25 - Test 8
09:09 - Test 9
10:28 - Test 10
10:55 - Test 11
11:09 - Test 12
11:58 - Lesson learned
12:43 - Questions Answered
14:33 - Which One Would I Buy? - Навчання та стиль
To those asking about the CFexpress Type B card I've been using with my BMCC 6K, I've been using the SABRENT card. I've put it through tests in various resolutions and compression settings, and it's worked flawlessly. You can find a link to it in the description. Thanks everyones!
Can you record on SSD´s like the old pocket 6k?
This is exactly what I thought you would find. Thanks for the days of work it took to make this. BM should have used a newer sensor with a faster readout and I would have bought one instantly. Just to close to the S52X. The extensive convenience features and the fully featured photo camera make the BM a hard purchase for anyone that isn't wanting to shoot Narrative 90% of the time.
Both cameras are amazing, but seems to me, if you are doing run and gun, interviews, wedding, corporate or vlogging, its the S5ii. For narrative content like short/medium format films, its BMPCC6k all the way.
Nailed it 🙌
Sure, but you still get the option to shoot narrative on S5ii/x, to me it’s a win, win, win. Bmpcc6k has no optional ibis and autofocus. Braw IQ looks basically the same, the small difference subjectively is the OLPF.
I'm stoked on the alliance with black magic, Lumix, sigma, and Leica. Bound to create some amazing stuff
@@roscosart1888 most high-end cinema camera (like ARRI) has OLPF and personally, this is critical for me. The moment you see these weird aliasing and how it could ruin a shot, you'll want a sensor with OLFP. Regarding IBIS, to each his own I guess. I don't mind not having IBIS with the type of work I'm doing (mostly documentary). I don't take the chance to get some warping effect on my shot.
Finally, for autofocus, it all depends on the content you are shooting. I prefer shooting with manual lenses and if I ever need autofocus, I can always install a PDMovie Air Smart to get autofocus with my vintage lenses. Best of both world!
In the end, the right camera for you is the one that will do the best job for the content you're creating either it's wedding, corporate videos or narrative.
Gyrodata neutralises IBIS (i.e. they are both good features, but gyroflow stabilisation is even better than IBIS though it adds another step to post-production).@@roscosart1888 All camera manufacturers should be recording gyrodata at this point.
Thank you so much for this! Really useful. Been struggling to decide between these two for weeks. Great job.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video thanks for comparing. I’ve found matching the s5iix and 6K pro very easy, when using the right LUTS on both, seems like where we are at with most cameras these days but I agree with you the highlight roll off is a little better on the Blackmagic cameras though a touch less sharp. But it’s a tricky trade off - each is better at different things- keeping PDAF, the better low light, IBIS, different horses different courses kind of thing
Nice one‼ Balanced & practical and refreshinghly without any hyperbole. Appreciate the time and effort.
Very informative, balanced and real-world information and testing. Thank you for taking the time to make this wonderful comparison. Great stuff.
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Great video! Really helps us see the differences between these cameras. Honestly, they are both fantastic!
Thanks man, both offer amazing value for cost in different ways 🙌
Thanks for the comparison test mate! There's a bunch of moire' happening at 3:56 and it looks like the BMCC6 is doing a 2x better job than the S5II...I'll probably rent the BMCC6K for some future projects. It seems like a very nice camera. Cheers!
Great video as always. I've finally made the jump to Resolve. Do you have any recommendations for SSD for recording RAW? Also, how do you correct the footage in post in regards to fixing barrels distortion and other abertitions that are typically fixed in camera?
Thank you for this video. I was ready to pull the trigger on a S5iiX and didn’t realize you needed the extra kit for B-Raw.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense if you just want to shoot B-Raw. Might as well get a Blackmagic at that point.
@@doomedthunder6638 well ... maybe. I actually did get the Lumix S5IIx. While the BM may edge out the Lumix in overall quality but a small amount, I believe the Lumix has a number of other advantages and down the road one could upgrade to B-RAW especially as some used gear hits the market. I’m happy with the purchase.
Thanks for video i got the S5ii from februari 23 and just play with the pocket 3, surprised :)
Love this video, thank you so much!
It was very interesting to see filmmaking perspective on this. Good points 👍
Lovely job as always. Not sure why AF isnt in play here in this comparison. Be good to think through a work scenario. Real world set up what would you use and how. Gimbal? Push in on a dolly or slider (AF or trust your focus marks) IV, sports, live speaker event on stage (af?) wedding? Walking down the isle?? (AF?). Any live work where focus is critical. Self filming? Dance video?? In reality i would imagine people are likely to notice something being out of focus and are never really likely to be able to notice image quality at this level. How many times do you need AF? Even the limited AF on the Komodo is incredibly useful. And in the world of client work variable auto exposure as on the the fx6 with variable nd is often a non negotiable. No doubt the bm has a great image but does that make it a great camera. This all makes sense if there is a lidar solution but is there? Thx again.
Really good comparison vid. No fat. Thanks. Looking forward to the 6K v 6KPro video. Cheers.
Great man. What if you could spend 4.5 - 5k. What would give the best image quality for that?
Excellent video man.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you 🙏
Great comparison! I have the Pocket 4K, and recently got the S5IIX to replace my Sony 7RII, and watching this video, the idea of replacing the Pocket 4K with this 6K Cinema Camera appeared... I would have the same mount on both cameras, and I could use the same 24-70/28-70 on both, instead of now, that I use a Tamron 24-70 canon mount with the speedbooster on the pocket, and one native on the Lumix to have the best compatibility... Sounds interesting.
Excellent review! Thank you very much!
My pleasure!
When the Blackmagic first came out I was torn. It would have been an instant buy if it hadn't been so heavy. I thought it would make a nice studio camera, but then I'm primarily a photographer and usually carry already another camera, so it didn't make sense to spend that much on a camera that's too heavy and isn't all that great for stills. I left it for a while to let it stir a bit in my head, and in the end I decided that the S5 IIx makes more sense for me for all the added photography features and for the IBIS, especially since I don't always need the raw workflow. I can get the video assist further down the line when I really need it. Frankly, what really sold me was the image stabilisation and the photo features. Getting GoPro style stabilisation on a camera with interchangeable lenses is kinda crazy and exactly what I needed in my workflow. Thank you for all the informative image quality comparisons. I don't need raw all the time, but I'll definitely be investing in a video assist further down the line for studio use.
Thank you so much for doing this and awesome final thoughts! Would you be able to capture any ProRes RAW on a Ninja V or other atomos recorder? I am so curious about that footage. Keep making videos. Hopefully we can get you more subscribers soon. I think if you wanted, you can reach out to various manufacturers to send you gear to review. Your quality and approach is so good they will want it covered.
Thanks man. Did you catch my video about BRAW Vs Pro Res RAW? that has a lot of content while using 2 atomos monitors capturing raw.
Good work. Thanks. Which CFe cards are you using on your BMCC6K? I have mainly LUMIX cams but have got the BMCC6K waiting for me when I get back from this job in a few weeks so need to buy some.
thanks man, I have been using the SABRENT cards and they are amazing. added a link in the description so you can see witch ones I have been using. they work in every single resolution & compression.
needed this video. Im moving up from a sony a6600 and these are my top two contenders.
Get the original s5! It’s a great deal, and you will start acquiring lenses for L mount which is more important
Great review...Bravo...❤❤❤
For me it was the same with GH5 and P4K, one for wedding Gimbal handheld other for Stativ.
Nowdays I have S5 with Videoassist 12G and Ninja V for even more raw control low light AF Wich is doable with some trickery...and actually run and gun P6K with 24-105 F4 IS USM...symbiosis between Blackmagic and Panasonic is since long there...
And next step will be S5iiX and BMCC6K the question which one first😂😂😂e
Great comparison video!
Glad you enjoyed it
The BM6K gyro stabilisation is fantastic for handheld static shots. Not so great with moving shots. I’m wondering how well the OIS in the 24-105 Lumix works with the gyro stabilisation for moving shots? Would it smooth out walking movement camera shake?
Excellent video, thanks! Is there any chance that you might be able to do a similar comparison of the BMCC6k against one of the Sonys you mentioned? I understand the FX3 can shoot raw, so that is interesting, but I'm not sure if the A7Siii can shoot raw also or not..?
There is a big price gap. But I do want to try and get the BMCC up VS it's closest Sony and cannon competition. Will try work on it 🙌
Said it once and I'll say it again. Best channel at the moment for L mount content. Just sold my g1 bmpcc6k and went with the S5iix and 7inch BMVA with a sigma 24-70. Already have the full resolve but have to say gonna miss that rolling shutter fix. Upside of low light, Autofocus, ergonomics, Batteries and options for photography weighs too much towards Panasonic for me but you summed it up perfectly and my main thing was get value for what I have now and move to L mount ASAP. Would've been interesting to hear altogether how much space the three files took up compared. Went with two 256gb sandisk sd's as the main thing I wanted to get away from with blackmagic were wires and externally mounted bits.
Thanks so much 🙏. The original files out of camera are all in my Dropbox to see the file sizes 🙌
Hey! Got my s5iix few days ago and now thinking of buying bm recorder. Have you tested whether braw gives better dynamic range or exposure latitude (pushing back from underexposure or overexposure)? And also does the braw from lumix has Highlight recovery function in davinci? Thank you in advance
With the Lumix S5 series, the party ends when a soundguy asks: can I sync the timecode? For a single person run and gun its ok, but when even in a small crew and someone else is responsible for the edit, they are not happy to start syncing the footage by audio. And the producer is not happy, because the editor starts to complain, that they need more time for preping the timeline.
More time means more money!
Really well done review man.
Much appreciated!
very informative comparison , perhaps the low light capability on the s5iix is the reason why the images differ. sure the black magic looks nicer when lighting is ample but in terms of value proposition you would have to include the extra lighting needed (and additional costs for a grip..).
so for traditional "cinematic" shooting the black magic will give more pleasing results , but for any other kind of shooting the Lumix win imo.
That was a really good comparison test my man! I'm amazed on how good the Blackmagic looks! It handles highlight better and I also prefer the more contrasty look (the shot where you were backlight.). It looks more natural to me that the shadows are not lifted like the S5ii. And the Panasonic is clearly adding way too much magenta on skintone and way too much green in the shadows which, for me, is really not pleasing. Thanks for this video!
Indeed, exactly like on the G9II ... First gen S5 and especially the GH6 have better colors and much better skin tones.
Out of all the camera reviewers on UA-cam, your vids are the best because you share real life applications and not just compare specs.
Appreciate that, thanks 🙏🏼
Hi great review. May I ask you to do an important test with the cinema 6K. Shoot extreme low light with camera movement. This is to test if BMD has overcome the dreaded fixed pattern noise. Thank you.
Great video brother!
🙏😊
So excited for this video, and you delivered! I am curious to hear your thoughts on the following:
1) Can you dual record on cfexpress and external ssd on the blackmagic?
2) Do you have a recommendation for cfexpress?
3) I believe the native iso for s5ii is 4000 not 3200
Great video! Thanks again for doing all of that, you convinced me to buy a blackmagic!
Thank you. I have never tested if you can dual record, will test and get back. although my guess would be no. i have been using the SABRENT cards and they are amazing. added a link to the description for you to get the ones am using. Yes my mistake, i did mean to say 3200 is the native on the BMCC, the Lumix was winning by so much at that point I just move on past lol.
I like your comparison, but to be fair, if you want/need autofocus or better focus on BMCC 6K, you have to invest in the cage, rails, follow focus, and maybe some lidar option. And if you want to take decent photos also, you should invest in another photographic body and accessories. Panasonic can take 96 MPix images, which is really handy while product shooting at the studio. So, it is great to have these tools in the L-mount system, which I am getting to like more and more. Having both of these cameras in pairs is a good solution. :)
Black Magic for video S5 ii for everything. I have both and use them for weddings. Black Magic to record ceremonies and speeches and the S5 for everything else including photos
Great video thx. I'm going for the BMCC6K. Can't wait. ANy shortcomings can immediately be put in context when considering that price 👍👍
Yes, exactly
Speaking of price, just 6 months later the BMCC6K is now 40% off ($1,575) while supplies last. I’m very tempted to pick one up at that price.
@@matthewrreis yeah, insane! No spare cash at present but I'm seriously tempted to get it on finance at that price!
@@JonasStuart I’m kind of in the same boat, but I also don’t want to buy it and then never use it. I have a bad habit of letting things sit unused on my shelf lol.
@@matthewrreis o chance of that over here - I have a BMPCC 4K and use it every day. I love it but want top step it up (and have a second BMD cam)....
My analogy with cameras has always been, there are Jeeps and there are Ferraris. A Ferrari is fast and nimble and can quickly get you down the freeway but it is awful for getting up an off-road mountain. A Jeep won't get you as quickly down the freeway, but with the proper tires and setup, you can get it up a mountain. Same with cameras, the S5II/S5IIX is great for the quick run and gun stuff, but the BMCC6K is better for production quality projects due to its colours. Right tool for the right job.
love this!
Also, quick side-note there is a colour tint correction tool and colour matrix built into the S5II. I wonder if you get better approximate the desired look of internal footage with a bit of tweaking.
This is a good shout I feel it comes down to WB alot with the internal codec in the Lumix, so could be fixed by moving your white point for sure.
I use it on the S5ii and you're right in that it helps a lot. But man, you have to tweak it a LOT, and even when you do, recording in other modes you can see how green the tint is on VLOG compared to it. For example, with tint and white balance corrected, HLG + color transformation looks much nicer than VLOG + color space transform. The issue is color seperation just never looks right on vlog. So even with the strongest correction, I suspect it'd mute some of the opposing colors.
Could the slight differences in sharpness when shooting Braw be due to the optical low pass filter on the BCC6K? Edges have a lot of high-frequency content. There are some situations where the low-pass is absolutely called for, and one lumix ambassador wants it so much on his S2X that he's engaged an after-market company to alter his camera.
Thats exactly why
s5IIx shoot proces internal also. so the extra costs can be saved for later on.
I was looking for green tint from Panny Boy and good ol' magenta tint from BMXXXXXXX... and still got it wrong in the intro A/B test lol. Wow, from that intro I can say that the differences are negligible in BRaw. That is very interesting info indeed...
My question is why the Black Magic 6k full-frame performs as poorly in low light as the 6kpro. I thought full-frame was supposed to gather more light.
The Cinema 6k just have a better highlight curve making everything look more polished. If we can figure out the perfect s curve for the S5ii it would be very close. The Cinema 6k has a very good image and it’ll take more work to get the Panasonic close to it.
They are both great and it doesn’t matter which you use, but which one has what you need. IBIS does move and that’s not always wanted. I’m keeping my S1 and Pocket 4k because the S1 looks just as good as the S5ii if not better.
I was hoping that the S5II would be a closer match, but the 6K looks better.
Great video - one question for anyone who owns the 6K: how is the cadence on the 6k? Is it anymore filmic then on the S5, or similar?
Yes it defo comes out of camera more filmic and the BRAW codec has alot more details.
Hey, thanks for the response! Already have a S5; wonder if it's worth the trouble to upgrade (particularly as I shot horror movies)....
Have you noticed any FPN issues with the BMCC 6K? A few users have posted vids about it but not sure if it's the usual not giving the sensor enough light issue...
the new BMCC 6K is the cleanest blackmagic I have ever used for FPN and I have used every sensor released. The only time I can find FPN is it pretty much pitch black at the highest 2 ISO settings.
Is the green muddy thing coming from VLOG?
Can you shoot 48fps on both these cameras? I dont mean slow-motion either.
well i got used s5IIX 3 months old for 1380 usd you can get all you want in the used market for around 2200-2400 usd and now you have braw + ibis + af + many other codecs + prores etc - even if you compare to fx3 still to get blackmagic image with amazing ibis + af + so many other codecs include prores - can you really compare them?
Thanks for doing all these tests. I think I will go for the blackmagic.
Can we record BRAW (3:1,5:1) on the cards in BMCC?
More and more companies switching slowly to L-mount makes me glad thatI invest in that glass at the start.
Finally lol! Getting stuck in... cheers mate!
BM phoned it in on this one.
For coloring did you add a lut or did you correct it and did you film it log?
Filmed in VLOG for Lumix & Blackmagic Film for BMCC 6K. Then both converted to Rec709 using colour space transform in resolve.
@@OBP_ That's what I would recommend as well for comparisons like that :)
Blackmagic is amazing!
Blackmagic cinema on a gimbal for dynamic movements? probably too heavy. I'd option for the s5iix possible with the new sigma 10-20/2.8. I love to move into the ecosystem but chose sony due to wide photo + video options. You cannot beat the weight, size, 12800 iso on the sony evz1 on a gimbal with their 10-18/4pz. I do love the look of Lumix and BM cinema but I do more photos and real estate video.
Thank you for video, I love my S5ii with BRAW but huge advantage of BM is 48p with full width. In test number 8, were they set to the same exposure?
They were both set to native ISOs for max dynamic range (400 & 640) and using a variable ND filter. Had the sky/clouds just under zebras (95%) on both cameras, then just let images fall as they wanted.
I have 3 blackmagics 2 bmpcc 4k's and a 6k. Im looking to purchase something that is smaller for run and gun but can match up well with my Blackmagic footage. is it worth buying as camera 4 or should I go with Sony. I already sent back the fx 30 so im really hesitant
Lumix S5iiX ? Shares l mount lenses with all the new blackmagic cameras & a great small run and gun, with it's AF and IBIS. And then it can even work great capturing BRAW external in a multi camera set up with blackmagic.
@@OBP_ nice!! im convinced that im a future owner of one of these... like asap!
this was a good video. give blackmagic another $1000 to make a more upgraded version of this camera and that thing has internal nds + they get that rolling shutter down to sub 15ms and imo the fx3 can hit the trash can.
The dark green thing is annoying. I wonder if they can fix it?
Ok thanks
Main difference to me is if you need AF or not. AF = S5IIX, otherwise BM 6K
6:28 The focal length difference in all the side-by-sides is throwing my off 🧐🤕
The difference in image is small enough that only the most ardent professionals would pick the BMPCC as a daily work machine.
S5 is a hybrid. I think its the best bang for the buck atm.
S1h vs Blackmagic 6k? I feel like that's the more accurate comparison rn
For a hybrid shooter, it's a no-brainer. For videographers, it's a no-brainer.
Great video and I really appreciate the downloadable content!
I own the Ursa 12k, Bmcc6k, and s5ii and I've been wanting to compare them because I am on the fence about returning my Bmcc6k. Don't get me wrong, I love it! But I have been questioning if I truly need the 6k....
A few things I've noticed from your clips-
1. I was really surprised by how similar the cameras are in BRAW. Depending on the shot, it can be hard to tell the difference.
2. The 6k seems to have been DR in the shadows to me ( and maybe some in the highlights too ) but in the window shot I can see your face a lot better on the 6k. This was after I've adjust the exposure of the s5ii's clip to match the 6k.
3. Color, like you mentioned, the 6k does seem to have the nicest color straight out of camera.
4. Highlight rolloff, the 6k is smoother for sure.
All this to say, I agree that the 6k has a better image but the question is, is it worth it to lose all the features of the s5ii? I'd argue for most people it's not since the s5ii can shoot photo, has pretty good AF, dual card slots, a better dual iso, and better anamorphic desqueeze ratios.
However, the 6k DOES have full frame 6k 60p in 2:4:1 which is a big deal for me because I shoot weddings and NEED that 60p lol I feel like the Bmcc6k image is around 20% better at most though and most people probably would never notice outside of a direct comparison.
Also, for anyone interested. From my own testing, the Ursa 12k is still better than the Bmcc6k. It's has more DR, nicer colors, and the highlight rolloff better too. I put that out there because I was temped to sell my 12k when I heard about the Bmcc6k because the keynote footage looked so nice.
Thanks again for the video!
Amazing insight here. I totally agree with you, it's very complicated and very based on what you are shooting. I am on the search for a 12K with OLPF to compare with the BMCC 6K. Am really interested to see them side by side.
Oyyy so I just got the S5iix and I know the two are close... but the highlight rolloff on this c6k I can't deny. For creating a world on the screen that makes a diff in the immersion so yeah now I'm a bit torn especially with the price point being overlapped. Thank you for the vid.@@OBP_
Had no idea the BMCC6K is that bad in low light.
Where's the Sigma fp?
Whaaaaat? You need the paid upgrade on the S5ii to record in BRAW and/ProRes on the BM 12G monitor? 😭😭
Agree this should not be a thing. 🫣
@@OBP_ is it a thing on the S5?
@@zelkuth It is not a paid upgrade for the S5. But there is the S5iix where it isnt a paid upgrade either, thats why its a little more expensive than the s5ii. I own both the S5ii and original S5, and the autofocus and fan easily makes the S5ii + upgrade a better deal than the OG S5.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ I have an S5ii and was thinking of getting an S5 as a b-cam. But I would hate to pay twice for this upgrade. And since its not a paid upgrade for S5, why is it for S5II 😓 (I mean at least for the BM 12G monitor, since its so freaking expensive in the first place 😁)
You get resolve as well.
6k higlights looks blue (s5ii has better white balance)
BMCC6K has a much more cinematic picture. Lumix is more universal, lightweight, suitable for photos and has excellent matrix stabilization.
You compared footage using gyro and giving the win to Black Magic. Why couldn't you use Gyro on the Lumix as well? I think some of the things you did were objective, but other things were to justify the weaknesses it has. I do agree that the dynamic range roll off is far superior. They are both great cameras.
there is no gyro stabilisation for the lumix unfortunatly. as far i know. maybe someting changed
BMPCC6k FF looks better
One thing to note....I saw a test comparing the Full Frame BMPCC6k vs the Super 35 BMPCC6k and funny enough the Super 35 BMPCC6k had less noise in low light.
So S5ii crop less in Braw? 😮 Why is no one making videos about this?
Yeah it helps a lot. But you also cannot capture open gate in BRAW.
For someone who regularly shoots in low light I’ll stick with the S5ii
For sure. 👌
Yet, no photo capabilities from the BM.... since I do both........
Lol of course s5 costs 3500 with monitor and stuff , as much as s3 but you need monitor and co for the sony as well
For cinema, nothing beats the way the Blackmagic shoots.
For running and gunning, photo etc the S.
Oh yes and maybe most importantly if we put money into perspective, it's the Blackmagic alone, let alone you easily find them used for close to nothing.
L mount video king is Sigma FP no question about it
S5 is better overal. Autofocus and ibis makes it much more usuable for most people and image quality is just as good.
Btw neither of these cameras are Netflix approved. Fx30 is and has great AF. Does that matter?
Absolutely does not, if you don't need timecode.
FX30 is a super camera but feel the sensor size puts it more in comparison with the pockets 6K pro. I did think the BMCC 6K would get the all famous "netflix approved" by now tho, maybe it is just taking a bit of time 🤔
@@OBP_ For sure. Then I guess maybe the FX3 becomes a contender post The Creator hype. BTW I'm not sure if you are applying any film emulations normally on S5ii work or maybe use a low con filter but certainly that old black promist trick used to level up most panasonic 10 bit footage to bm raw look. Out of the box comparisons might not be as real world as you might otherwise use so would be interested to know if you use film nitrate or dehancer or any of the other filter emulations and maybe see what can be achieved with a little bit of post. Keep the good work up. Always a pleasure.
That's why s5 is sharper. No olpf
The BMD is HUUUUUGE!!!!
The green tint and banding in shadows on the S5II is honestly a dealbreaker to me and unlike with the S1H (ghosting, blue and yellow gamut clipping) I don't hear much from Panasonic this time, and there's also the oversharpening and too much NR issue using regular Rec709 profiles. You may want to submit your comparison to an ambassador at Panasonic (such as Sean Robinson or Nick Driftwood) who may be able to forward the issues to engineers at Panasonic.
Have to shoot everything, literally everything in external BRAW to avoid it. Thankfully colors can be graded to a less magenta tone easily and the image looks great afterwards. :)