Yeah it's just blackmailing basically. Classic online tactic if you want someone to do what you want; put them publicly on the spot, argument in a way that it's in the victims interest to cooperate and if they don't you lay down "evidence" in your favor so their reputation gets hit.
Danya is rated 2707, Kramnik is 2670. Danya is higher rated. So it means Danya has more chance to win 50k. If you think Kramnik wants Danya just to give 50k, then you don't believe in danya and also you think he might be cheating? It is just not logical.
@masterthesis4645 Why would he? Some lunatic trashes your reputation publicly and you should give them the attention they're looking for. It's a much better idea to just ignore the crazy old man and not give him any credibility
Don't forget guys, kramnik has realised it's easy money to claim someone's a cheat and then play them. He's already tried doing this same trick to a kid, and is now so desperate that he's blackmailing famous GM's.
Kramnik's part 2 is just 37 minutes of him being confused about Danya looking at different parts of the chessboard because I guess he thinks he has a tiny monitor and isn't sitting close to it.
That tweet is phrased like some type of blackmail ultimatum, so good on Danya for ignoring it. Agreeing to the match could be perceived as fearing Kramnik releasing the data.
Nice rating you have there, Mr. Naroditsky. Would be such a shame for something to happen to it. We here at the Bratva Chess Bros offer a wonderful service to protect your reputation. A match with one of our Chess Integrity Officers for a small "fee" will keep you safe.
Kramnik is accusing Daniel that he cheats. Why Daniel has to prove to him that he is not ? Kramnik became chess police on his own. I wouldn’t even talk to him just from the way he behaves
Well.... I mean, if you consider rule abuse as cheating then what Danya is doing is objectively 100% cheating. They aren't even accusations, it's just factually what's happening
@@Livinginwonderland77 What a post lol. So you begin with an unsubstantiated claim, you make a false attribution to a quote that was never said, and then you insinuate that any refusal to address the accusations (which have been addressed but you didn't know that, obviously) equates to an admission of guilt. The mental gymnastics required to even craft that reply must have required years of training.
Danya has played Magnus hundreds of times, has met all the top players through his announcing. Playing an exhibition match against Kramnik isn’t some great opportunity.
Pretty sure the Chess Club have put some nonsense on towards the end of this year to get Fabi the FIDE Circuit place for the next cycle over Arjun and Abdusattorov
And actually this is worse because it gives you a chance at championship just by surpassing some elo threshold. On the other hand what danya did every club player can do .. just play much weaker players it is perfectly a lower. But for qualification per elo to championship I think it shouldn't be allowed
Don't understand the hate against Alireza. He followed the rules. If you have problem with the rules, you should hate the org who made those rules. Hate the game, not the player.
Danya gained 3 rating points in total in one of those tournaments - it is so ineffective, it is hard to call it farming, especially if they have to travel to locations. I'm pretty sure he is strong enough to farm 200 elo points lower rated players with much faster gains. P.S. "to maintain the same rating" the best strategy is to not play at all ;)
This farming is not very realistic. You gain 0.8 per game. Whos gonna travel and spend money and time to go to an amateur tournament and gain 8 rating points for a perfect 10/10 score? The Danya/Bortinik case is a very specific situation, because the tournaments are organized by their employer and they probably are incentivized to play.
@@armandsarmands eh I know an Icelandic GM that reached 2700 blitz while being roughly 2550 fide by farming local blitz tournaments, this was roughly 5-6 years ago.
The part about rating farming lower rated players, while definitely a valid complaint, is not totally fair. First of all, you attract a lot of players by offering to play in your own events who might not show up if it weren't for the opportunity to play a 2600+ GM. At my club, we had mostly U/1400 players but we had one student (currently a NM) who broke that barrier and was approaching the instructors (1.9-2k) in rating, and he wouldn't show up for tournaments unless at least one of us was able to play him a game. I would imagine similarly there is little reason for higher rated players to show up to a club they outperform and having GMs competing gives quite a boost to the club. Secondly from my experience as a TO at a club, my rating fluctuated at 1900-2000 for 2 years because my boss kept insisting that I play the field when they needed an extra game, and as a very aggressive player at the time a random draw to a 1300 would suck 30-40 points off my rating (the 400 point rule wasn't around then I think), and I didn't have much time to travel and compete when I was teaching weekends there. Certainly if you're heads and shoulders above the field, and have the experience of a GM you have much better chances of winning 100 games out of 100, but it's certainly not without its risks, and the 400 point rule honestly helps address those risks. If you wanted to address the issue of "farming lower rated players", there are many good ideas for rules to implement, but it's difficult to avoid perverse incentives. I don't think the Bortnyks or Danya were engaged in such incentives, I would guess it was more along the lines of "hey here's this cool way we can promote our club and get some small benefit from it" which appears to be the simplest explanation as well, but I don't know them personally and could certainly be wrong.
Kramnik has a very good point here, actually. This rule doesn't make a lot of sense. But him choosing Naroditsky and Bortnik doesn't look good, as the lads participate in a local club only, they don't really go farming outside. If they did though, it would have been much more serious of a case. Anyhow, a very interesting reaction video, thank you, Chessbrah.
I mean Danya himself said the rule is very foolish on stream. Playing at a local chess club feels pretty valid, since traveling incurs expenses for travel/accomodation/food
@@ryanpendlebury967 Exactly. I don't think there was any ill intent from them both. I f they had one, they would roam the country for low-level events, which they don't.
I don't believe Danya doesn't play at 2700 strength. I think there's too much evidence refuting that. I do take issue with Bortnik and Danya drawing a lot... then only playing against weaker players... I would blanket label that as "farming rating".
I get explaining why the rating SYSTEM makes no sense, and pointing out how it can be exploited. However, Kramnik does alot of implying and suggesting that Danya is doing something nefarious. That is what i hate about Kramnik. Sure point out flaws in the system -- no system is perfect -- but Don't imply some malicious intent to all these players. Kramnik seems to have his ego aligned with ELO, and assumes everyone else does as well. That seems like an Kramnik (or Russian?) issue... i wish he'd explain the actual issue with the system better without personal attacks.
He mentions it, because his whole argument is leveraging performance rating and predicted match outcome in conditional probabilities, e.g. 2800 PFR can happen once (p=3%), but unlikely 5 times in a row (3% pow5). The premise behind this is that 1. The ratings are accurate & 2. the underlying rating system is good predictor of win probabilities. His math makes more sense if he can argue that Fide blitz doesnt reflect his actual elo playing strength. The general problem here is that elo is a measure of all games ever played and performance itself is fluctuating by a fair bit.
@@egads3696 I think money sometimes isn't all that matters, if Danya wins, he gets money everyone is happy. But if Kramnik draws or just barely wins. Kramnik will have so much exposure and him calling out opponents on titled tuesday would be so much more annoying because it will be taken more seriously.
I think Danya & Bortnyk play those Charlotte events because they want to put Charlotte on the map. Its not their fault that they are the only two strong GMs that live in that area, but I think they are trying to really make it a springboard for the young players of Charlotte.
As someone who has played in the Charlotte Chess Center, it's just a place to celebrate and promote chess. It's one of the most wholesome communities I've experienced. I showed some people a cool 2. Ne2 line against Caro-Kann and they were so excited to learn! I understand the criticisms that Kramnik is trying to make here, but the problem is with the way FIDE calculates elo, not with Danya. There are entire events dedicated to grind GM norms, Danya's not the villain here.
Very true. I will also say that Kramnik's accusations are unproveable since he has made the claim of "ghost cheating" going on, which is cheating one or two moves a game. That cannot be detected IMO with ordinary techniques. A strong master only needs one or two such hints at critical points to win. So what's the solution? Do as Epic Games does in Fortnite and other video games: require players to install a TSR program to detect what programs are running on your machine when you play online. If Fritz/Stockfish is detected, you are disqualified. This happened once in online chess with the "Internet Chess Club" but it was not popular due to invasion of privacy concerns but might need to be re-introduced.
Anyone who disrespects Kramnik should think about what they would be doing if they were convinved someone is not legit. What else should he be doing than offer someone a match where he thinks that he is actually lower rated. Kramnik is doing the exact right thing. Following famous and popular people blindly is sheep behaviour (very bad).
Maybe Danny just doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself to this maniac, or has personal reasons for not doing it. When a crazy girl calls 80 times in a row, you just don't answer.
This is the thing that gets me. Kramnik was (and I suppose still is) a legendary player in the game. But in the context of following through on cheating, he's just some guy. He's not part of a chess organisation as far as I know, doesn't run a chess site, doesn't even organise tournaments or anything. He's just a guy who's going around making accusations at players and getting constant publicity and opportunities he wouldn't normally get because of his existing status in the chess world. Nobody has any responsibility to play a match with Kramnik to prove anything, and as you said the most responsible thing to do when a crazy person is coming after you is cut them off, not feed into their delusions.
I think Danya actually talked about his reasons to quit OTB classical chess because of the mental strain it put on him when facing lower-rated opponents in open tournaments. Might have been on the c-squared podcast. As far as I remember he also highlighted how he always had to fight with the (irrational) fear, that him being relatively well-known in the community would also make a potential loss harder because it would become a topic on reddit. Would not be surprised if this was part of the reason he prefers to play OTB Blitz in an environment that is more familiar and has less publicity. If he were to be after the rating points he would definitely be able to use his FIDE blitz rating way more as promotion. Then again there's no way to know his motivation. But the point of a fault in the ELO system does sound justified for sure.
I think Kramnik views respect as a zero sum game. The more respect is given to GMs of a different skillset than his the less respect there is for his legacy.
Well Danya and Bortnyk farming low rated kids most of them rated 1400-2000 once or twice a month. While always do draw between themselves. Those are pre organized tournaments. It is definitely not moral and have some etiquette issue.
Kramnik could have done this without the whole 50k match ego thing. He could have just presented the concerns right away if his motivation is to stop cheating.
Ref: Fide blitz rating. It actually counts for something money wise if they can farm it up above 2750, because itll give them free hotels and travel to NYC WRB this christmas.
These are all free blitz side events for the major tournaments in Charlotte. Having Danya and Bortnyk there attracts others to play. Nothing nefarious here, it’s marketing for the Charlotte Chess Club. Sounds like Kramnik has an issue with the rating system, not Danya and Bortnyk.
Yep. A quick glance at the Charlotte Chess Club site makes it pretty obvious what's going on. They are resident coaches. The farming is an unfortunate side effect, but this is what happens when coaches go into events with their students, but then it's for the students benefit with the opportunity.
FIDE makes assinine decisions. I don't understand the logic behind having this delicate rating system where the Elo difference is meant to represent win probability, and then just saying "nahhhh F that, >400 = 400".. It's just so stupid and a waste of the mathematical formula.
Now that the World Rapid & Blitz Championship will be in New York this year, I hope we will see a couple of people that are usually absent because of having to travel overseas such as Naroditsky, Bortnyk, So, Martinez... it's always a shame that some of these strong speed chess players are absent because of the travel distance and the timing (Christmas season)
Im honestly not even sure Kramnik is all that much better than Danya is at this point. Im not just saying in Blitz and Rapid that Danya is better as Im sure many here would agree with that, I mean standard as well. Kramnik peaked in 2017, lost rating from 2800 down to 2750 in Feb 2019 and then quit playing tournament chess. That 5.5 years of being inactive, hes past his prime, wouldnt be surprised if his strength right now is closer to 2650. If I was betting man I probably still take Kramnik, but I think its pretty close.
I mean.. If you consider abusing rules to gain rating cheating then Danya is 100% objectively cheating. Danya himself might mean no harm by it but it's also true his rating is artificially inflated by farming low rated players. My guess Is Danya would even admit to that an say its BS that he xan do that... so why are you defending it?
38:09 "Then there was deflation during covid" never thought I'd hear that sentence. In general I think this is 100% a FIDE issue that needs to be addressed.
Kramnik calling what he does "investigation" reminds me of a time when I met an unemployed young man and I asked him what he did all day, and he said "researching", I was impressed and I asked him whether he was studying a PhD or a Masters, and he was confused, I later figured out that what he called "research" was just internet browsing.
hey man, its harder than it sounds. and trying to research within the confines of a stuffy institutional bureaucracy is like trying to swim upstream with pants made out of concrete
I'm not defending Clownnik, but your analogy is kinda meh. Credentialism sucks, it's just a classist tool. People can do legit research without the privilege it takes to be within higher academia, and people can do legit investigations independently. Again, not saying that's what's happening here, just that although there are valid criticisms to be made of some people's efforts and qualifications in technical skills, credentialism is not a foundation for any such valid criticisms.
It’s not credentialism. He doesn’t need to have a data analysis degree if he were doing proper analysis. The criticism is that he is “investigating” in such a naïve, unsophisticated and fundamentally flawed manner that it is not helpful to actually call it investigation. Just like the guy who said he was researching was just surfing the web. Language is meaningful and helpful because words have relatively standard ways of conveying meaning. To call what he does being and “investigative process is misleading. An investigation starts with a question and appropriate information is gathered to reach a conclusion. He starts with a conclusion and then gathers information(regardless of appropriateness) to confirm it.
@@user-wu7ug4ly3v I totally agree about the criticism of Kramnik, especially now that you've elaborated on how exactly you mean by that. I more meant to target my nitpick at the analogy side with the dude doing research -- and once again, I'm not saying they couldn't possibly have been doing it crappily and misusing the term, I'm just saying not being associated with a higher ed program isn't a sound argument for that conclusion (which is the implied argument I understood from your OP). Sorry if I conveyed my point poorly before
Interesting that no one calls Kramnik out on his bullshit. For example, he bases a lot of his statements on TT, which is 3+1, but then wants the matches to prove his point to be 3+2. Make it make sense.
I agree the format should be the same. After all why kramnik cares? If he claims they cheat why does it matter for him? He should play excat same format (nardoitsky I assume is best in plus zero) so even this should be the format. If kramnik claims he is better he should prove it on the same format that they ( nardotisky) overperfrom
He's been called out (and dismissed every one of them) multiple times. Anyone impartially viewing the data understands that cheating in online chess is definitely an issue, but has long since concluded that what Kramnik is seeing are ghosts. Any actual cheating he may "discover" is simply a matter of a broken clock being right on rare occasion.
Could be the chess club likes to have them participate in those tournaments to attract players. I also saw dina belenkaya on this list. They might just invite streamers for this reason. And I mean I would fin it erally cool, if my local chess club invites Danya or whoever for regular tournaments, so I get the chance to play him once in my life. It's not said, that they are plaiying these tournaments to farm points. They might actually not care about the points. Either way, you can't blame those guys, you'd rather have to blame FIDE if anyone. The reason they reinstated this rule, was that all the kids after covid were terribly underrated, even more than usual. I mean you could change that rule, that a rating can only be adjusted for calculation up to a certain point. Let's say 2000 or so. This way you would still have a lot less rating deflation in the system, but the farming wouldn't be possible like it is right now
I got into watching chess streaming because of Naroditsky. I was watching a lot of Magnus playing one minute games and there was only one person, Rebecca Harris, who was actually giving Magnus a hard time. For me that is prove enough that he is the real deal. You can't fake one minute games, unless you let the program make the moves... but that seems a bit too far fetched.
@@kimborampage Danya has spoken about his struggles with anxiety during OTB matches. I can relate, I don't like to play live games of poker because the nerves get to me so bad that it negatively impacts my game. Online, it's a different story. But nobody gives me a hard time on X if I go play in-person and bomb. I don't have thousands of eyes looking at my every mistake. So I can definitely understand anxiety being a big reason to avoid live play.
Not to take sides, but I think Kramnik was told, after sharing his concerns, that they are Top Blitz Players because of their high Fide Ratings, and he wanted to take this argument away. That way it makes sense to me.
A very interesting move, that was only the 2nd strongest via a single engine at a particular depth setting, that wasn't even played during the game in question.
Danya's inactivity in OTB blitz meant he was underrated for a long time. Now that he's playing more, his rating is now commensurate with his skill level. Hope that helps, Kramnik.
Recognizable, famous players, or content creators playing these tournaments bring more attention to it and makes it more interesting. The tournament and the farmers are using each other, and the lower rated players love playing vs celebrities.
Asking for morality in sports is not clever. There are rules and penalties for breaking the rules. If farming is possible it is up to the rulemaker to stop it or not. Don't complain just play.
I feel a bit nervous to agree with Kramik... But if you're rated 2500 and beat a player rated 1500 I don't think you should get any gain in rating.. Is that crazy?
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but if FIDE puts a 400 ELO rule in place, it's not the players' fault for taking advantage of it when not doing so would present a clear disadvantage. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" kind of situation.
FIDE could change the system to make farming more tedious, something like: 0.8 for ≥ 400 rating difference 0.4 for ≥ 600 rating difference 0.2 for ≥ 800 rating difference 0.1 for ≥ 1000 rating difference
Next up: glancing-above-your-screen-gate, get the popcorn out lads. And now Danya responded on Twitch, sad that he has to respond. No good way to argue you did NOT cheat, first there must be proper evidence that you DID cheat!
I don’t understand why farming rating is so diabolical anyway. If you gain a lot of rating from farming and you get invited to a top level tournament. Either you do well because you really are that good or you get demolished because you’re not at that level. Can someone elaborate, please? Is it because you may get sponsorships without deserving them?
The FIDE rating rule is questionable but it is what it is. The Charlotte events are clearly Monthly club events in which Bortnyk and Danya take part as leading players to give those lower players an opportunity to face them, and they are rated because those other players get a rating. His argument ignores the other players in these events.
some of his evidence is compelling. danya has a dominating blitz score against 3-4 people in the top 10 fide blitz ratings. so why doesn't he compete for the world blitz championship?
Rating and game manipulation is neither new nor unknown. You can see examples of Russian players manipulating match outcomes between each other as far back as the Bobby Fischer days. It's not the most sportsmanlike, but it's not against the rules.
@@theKashConnoisseur I don't think he explicitly says it's against the rules, and I certainly didn't. It is a scummy tactic though, not really in line with how most people perceive Danya.
@@smwg4187 If it's not against the rules, and is more or less encouraged by the regulations, how is it scummy? And this is ignoring that the accusations about rating inflation are just allegations, and haven't been confirmed. Honest draws happen, and while streaks of them have a lower probability that doesn't guarantee collusion. Not that it would be a problem if the two friends with nothing to gain from going hard on one another decided to play known drawing lines.
@@theKashConnoisseur the action is literally known as "rating manipulation" - Sometimes nomen est omen and it being scummy is quite obvious. You're jacking your rating up artificially by playing against opponents who pose no threat and gaining an unfair and manufactured rating advantage over people who are only playing honest tournaments against competition roughly their own level.
@@smwg4187 Yes, I know what it's called, lol. But thank you. The 400 points rule directly encourages smurfing. When you can get the same points for beating someone 1100+ ELO below your rating as you would someone 400 points below it, it literally disincentivizes playing people of similar strength. If it's not against the rules, it's allowed. If it's encouraged by the regulations, it's the game's current meta. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Especially over unproven allegations.
The problem with all of this is that ELO rating is a statistical metric. One game, or even a small number of games, isn't sufficient to deduce whether someone's rating is correct.
I find it comforting to know that Kramnik stays up late combing through USCF tournament results online. He's a man on a mission. "This is a monster. Two-one-oh-five." 😂
Danya now? Come on. Hikaru I could maybe see. But Danya is the nicest dude and he always spoke openly about how many cheaters there are on the platform, also he plays super, super fast, not saying is not possible to cheat that way, but is significantly harder.
Lance Armstrong was also the innocent golden boy until it turned he was a horrible cheater. Looks can be deceiving. Never judge a book by its cover. The points Kramnik makes in parts 2 and 3 are interesting regarding his eye movements, suspicious moves, having a chess cheating extension built into his browser, and refusal to play against other top GMs in proctored events.
His entire perspective on what is moral or immoral, is flawed. He’s Russian. They get money from their government to play chess. If they’re good they get a house and a regular salary as well as other important benefits like having their travel expenses paid off. This is hardly the case for just about anyone else so him blaming people for doing what they need to do to survive and calling it immoral is ignorant, unrealistic and dumb. This whole thing started several years ago with Kramnik saying Andrekin is a flagger after Andrekin flagged Kramnik in a dead drawn position during a TT game. Of course, what Kramnik never seems to understand is that he has capital. He is rich. People like Andrekin need to earn money to feed their children and if that means flagging so they get third place in TT and earn a few hundred dollars then that is what they’ll do. More on that… the irony here is that Russians, if anything, are known to be immoral. Going back as far as the Fischer days and how they would all draw each other in 12 moves and only play against him. Or, the infamous David Bronstein story where, after already having a lead against Botvinnik in their world championship match, suddenly Bronstein’s dad was “released” from prison (BTW, he was in prison for being Jewish. Yes, that is literally why!) and was kept in the crowd surrounded by guards and it was made clear to Bronstein that he was either to lose the world championship match or lose his dad. Not much of a choice. The thing is, Kramnik’s perspective on farming and unrealistic rating can be seen as somewhat correct but at the same time how someone matches against Carlsen doesn’t necessarily reflect on someone’s strength either. There are many (many many many) GMs who gained their titles in places, and during times, where their competition was less than great. If you follow GM Averbach you’ll see he often shares games by so called GMs who obviously play at a sub 2000 level including games where said GMs played 7 blunders straight. On the other hand, like Eric suggested, if someone doesn’t have money, doesn’t live in a country where his entire life is paid off, then picking and choosing closed tournaments in order to get to 2700 in order to get invites, seems perfectly moral and even advisable to me. That he will then have to prove his level against tougher opposition seems as legitimate as legitimate gets to me. I don’t see any issues with it.
"hardly the case for just about anyone else" bro, most pros are like that. yes, not usa. but others. look at india. lads get huge money being 18 year olds or smth. russian players wouldn't dream of such money, i tell you, honestly. "Russians, if anything, are known to be immoral" this is just racism. you need to chill. and yes kramnik is crazy
Russian team is banned, players can't play under their flag. How moral is that? Carlsen supports that solution. It comes from his ignorance part of which is not knowing for example, that his country was one of 15 who attacked Serbia in order to separate Kosovo from it, and later recognize it as independent state. Second Albanian state, which is unique case in Europe. Anyone banned, played without country's flag? Double standards. Ignorant, unrealistic and dumb.
The point that they play the tournaments to make life fun in Charlotte is fair. But if the 400 point rule had not come back, the number of points they would gain from a 100% performance against this opposition would be tiny (maybe none at all). Once all opponents are minimum 2200 by fiat, it becomes a cash register. It appears quite telling, at first sight, that Naroditsky and Bortnyk were not playing many of these tournaments before the beginning of 2024. What would be interesting is if they paused when the 400 point rule was in abeyance (a "giveaway" that the cash register had been dismantled) or if they didn't start before moving to Charlotte (supports the community fun idea). As it happens, neither of them played any OTB blitz in the years before 2022, but both started playing some tournaments from mid-2023 - regularly from the beginning of 2024. Naroditsky has been living in Charlotte since 2019, a long time in the history of the borderline between competitive chess and content creation. It is not obvious what either player would have to gain from a plainly artificial uptick in their FIDE blitz ratings anyway. But was the ratings effect purely an accidental by-product of community chess activity? Probably not.
20:44 so what you're saying is.....Danya and Bortnyk are exploiting the system to farm easy points. So basically what Kramnik is stating 😂. Kramnik has a point.
Unlimited 400 rule makes it also so that on average you lose points to anyone who has slightly lower rating than you. You also gain rating when playing against slightly higher rated players. The 400 rule increases rating differences between skill levels. That of course also means that top players lose points when rule is limited because majority of players are lower rated who have enough numbers to maintain their rating while top players slowly lose points to lower rated players. Removing the rule would be more healthy for rating system. Too bad people assume that ratings can be compared over different erase. Therefore any clear lowering of top ratings would be unacceptable.
I would happily stake $50k for Danya to play this match if risking his own money is a sticking point.
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What is this crossover
Holy shit
Makes music bro
It’s easy to stake money you don’t have
He is the “natty or not” of chess
Except he's coaching the most sussy dude of them all and investigating the others. Can't wait until Hans beats Kramnik on a tilted tusday
Hikaru is a natty; he's just great at chess because he eats extra portions of chicken and broccoli...
Yes
@@francis_0077he's coaching a confirmed fake natty who loves to play the victim pretty much
The perfect analogy
If the match takes place, Kramnik will win because if he wins he wins but if he loses it will be very interesting and he'll do the procedure
lmfao
danya should challenge him to a duel to the death with real guns and then he should kill kramnik
As funny as your comment is: Danya should win on metrics, so it wouldn't be so interesting 😄
Basically what happened at the Jospem match, so yeah
In the middle of reading this it actually turned into Kramnik's voice in my head, lol.
'i offered danya an opportunity to give me 50k, if he doesn't accept this generous offer I will call him a cheat non stop.'
Yeah it's just blackmailing basically. Classic online tactic if you want someone to do what you want; put them publicly on the spot, argument in a way that it's in the victims interest to cooperate and if they don't you lay down "evidence" in your favor so their reputation gets hit.
Danya is rated 2707, Kramnik is 2670. Danya is higher rated. So it means Danya has more chance to win 50k. If you think Kramnik wants Danya just to give 50k, then you don't believe in danya and also you think he might be cheating? It is just not logical.
Why won't he play him for free?
@masterthesis4645 Why would he? Some lunatic trashes your reputation publicly and you should give them the attention they're looking for. It's a much better idea to just ignore the crazy old man and not give him any credibility
Don't forget guys, kramnik has realised it's easy money to claim someone's a cheat and then play them. He's already tried doing this same trick to a kid, and is now so desperate that he's blackmailing famous GM's.
Can we talk about how one of his browser tabs is a “find your chakra” test 🤣
😂😂😂
Kramnik's part 2 is just 37 minutes of him being confused about Danya looking at different parts of the chessboard because I guess he thinks he has a tiny monitor and isn't sitting close to it.
Kramnik is right
@@TaniasUncle Watch part 3 and 4
That tweet is phrased like some type of blackmail ultimatum, so good on Danya for ignoring it. Agreeing to the match could be perceived as fearing Kramnik releasing the data.
Vladimir "I'm not accusing" "I'm not blackmailing" Kramnik
At this point, he is doing all he can to stay relevant and seek attention.
Nice rating you have there, Mr. Naroditsky. Would be such a shame for something to happen to it. We here at the Bratva Chess Bros offer a wonderful service to protect your reputation. A match with one of our Chess Integrity Officers for a small "fee" will keep you safe.
Kramnik is accusing Daniel that he cheats. Why Daniel has to prove to him that he is not ? Kramnik became chess police on his own. I wouldn’t even talk to him just from the way he behaves
Well.... I mean, if you consider rule abuse as cheating then what Danya is doing is objectively 100% cheating. They aren't even accusations, it's just factually what's happening
He does cheat. Even Danya would say that he shouldn't be allowed to inflate his rating like he has. If he won't defend it why would you?
@@Livinginwonderland77 even in the worst case scenario, thats not "cheating". if its not against the rules then its not cheating
@@Livinginwonderland77 What a post lol. So you begin with an unsubstantiated claim, you make a false attribution to a quote that was never said, and then you insinuate that any refusal to address the accusations (which have been addressed but you didn't know that, obviously) equates to an admission of guilt. The mental gymnastics required to even craft that reply must have required years of training.
Every only online player has to prove his skills offline.
Kramnik had a little self W with the recent cheater being discovered, but aint no way is he getting away with accusing Danya.
Danya has played Magnus hundreds of times, has met all the top players through his announcing. Playing an exhibition match against Kramnik isn’t some great opportunity.
It's also a trap because if he responded it means he's scared of kramniks investigation and actually gives some credibility
Kramnik can accuse Hicky or whomever he wants but when he goes after my boy Danya we’ve got a problem…
Your Boy looks like a cheater who sees an engine to suggest Bc8
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@@kramnikstudentc24600 rated players in the comments speculating on the strength and psychology of GMs lmao
@@kramnikstudentc24 When did he play Bc8?
@@dg1431check out another chapters kramniks videos
I'm surprised you didn't bring up Alireza Firouzja's "farming" to get a handful of rating points to qualify for the recent candidates over Wesley So.
That tournament that was called "Alireza's Last Chance" 😂😂😂
Pretty sure the Chess Club have put some nonsense on towards the end of this year to get Fabi the FIDE Circuit place for the next cycle over Arjun and Abdusattorov
And actually this is worse because it gives you a chance at championship just by surpassing some elo threshold. On the other hand what danya did every club player can do .. just play much weaker players it is perfectly a lower. But for qualification per elo to championship I think it shouldn't be allowed
Hes better than wezley
Don't understand the hate against Alireza. He followed the rules. If you have problem with the rules, you should hate the org who made those rules. Hate the game, not the player.
Why doesn't Ben Finegold do this? He owns a chess center. He could be no. 1 in the world if he played enough 8 year olds.
He hasn’t owned a chess center for a while
Because he does not care and that's his charm.
this 400 rule totally incentivizes farming. If you're not doing it, you're working 10 times harder to maintain the same rating
It existed for ages though before FIDE changed it, now they reverted it. Just saying this was a hot topic for years so nothing new under the sun
Danya gained 3 rating points in total in one of those tournaments - it is so ineffective, it is hard to call it farming, especially if they have to travel to locations.
I'm pretty sure he is strong enough to farm 200 elo points lower rated players with much faster gains.
P.S. "to maintain the same rating" the best strategy is to not play at all ;)
This farming is not very realistic. You gain 0.8 per game. Whos gonna travel and spend money and time to go to an amateur tournament and gain 8 rating points for a perfect 10/10 score?
The Danya/Bortinik case is a very specific situation, because the tournaments are organized by their employer and they probably are incentivized to play.
@@armandsarmands eh I know an Icelandic GM that reached 2700 blitz while being roughly 2550 fide by farming local blitz tournaments, this was roughly 5-6 years ago.
@juyifan7933 if you need rating to get a title and already have the norms its worth jt
The part about rating farming lower rated players, while definitely a valid complaint, is not totally fair.
First of all, you attract a lot of players by offering to play in your own events who might not show up if it weren't for the opportunity to play a 2600+ GM. At my club, we had mostly U/1400 players but we had one student (currently a NM) who broke that barrier and was approaching the instructors (1.9-2k) in rating, and he wouldn't show up for tournaments unless at least one of us was able to play him a game. I would imagine similarly there is little reason for higher rated players to show up to a club they outperform and having GMs competing gives quite a boost to the club.
Secondly from my experience as a TO at a club, my rating fluctuated at 1900-2000 for 2 years because my boss kept insisting that I play the field when they needed an extra game, and as a very aggressive player at the time a random draw to a 1300 would suck 30-40 points off my rating (the 400 point rule wasn't around then I think), and I didn't have much time to travel and compete when I was teaching weekends there. Certainly if you're heads and shoulders above the field, and have the experience of a GM you have much better chances of winning 100 games out of 100, but it's certainly not without its risks, and the 400 point rule honestly helps address those risks.
If you wanted to address the issue of "farming lower rated players", there are many good ideas for rules to implement, but it's difficult to avoid perverse incentives. I don't think the Bortnyks or Danya were engaged in such incentives, I would guess it was more along the lines of "hey here's this cool way we can promote our club and get some small benefit from it" which appears to be the simplest explanation as well, but I don't know them personally and could certainly be wrong.
Kramnik can spent his 50k and visit Charlotte Chess Center several times.
Exactly... He can visit them and play, every and each tournament there... And show us, ho is better... Kramnik is just sad old man now
@@washa84 He literally declined an offer to play at the CCC lol.
Having Danya and Bortnyk participate in the tournaments is also a draw for CCC so it's really a no-brainer.
Kramnik has a very good point here, actually. This rule doesn't make a lot of sense. But him choosing Naroditsky and Bortnik doesn't look good, as the lads participate in a local club only, they don't really go farming outside. If they did though, it would have been much more serious of a case.
Anyhow, a very interesting reaction video, thank you, Chessbrah.
I mean Danya himself said the rule is very foolish on stream. Playing at a local chess club feels pretty valid, since traveling incurs expenses for travel/accomodation/food
@@ryanpendlebury967 Exactly. I don't think there was any ill intent from them both. I f they had one, they would roam the country for low-level events, which they don't.
I don't believe Danya doesn't play at 2700 strength. I think there's too much evidence refuting that. I do take issue with Bortnik and Danya drawing a lot... then only playing against weaker players... I would blanket label that as "farming rating".
Yeah im with danya, its more of a fide problem than Danya that he played lower rated opponents.
Kramnik is completely right about Danya. Danya is more popular though so his fanboys will defend him.
What Danya and Bortnyk have been doing is wrong.
"I'm not being investigated, yet.."
I would love to see that lol
The volume on your audio interface is a tiny bit too high for the XLR mic. Turn it down a bit and its perfect!
I’ll play around with it thank you
@@chessbrah No problem
My favorite part is in the first video he has a tab on his browser called chakra tests. No wonder he does not understand his tests are bunk.
Time stamp?
13:27 maybe this "Chakra Test: Do You Have Chakra Balance?"
I get explaining why the rating SYSTEM makes no sense, and pointing out how it can be exploited. However, Kramnik does alot of implying and suggesting that Danya is doing something nefarious. That is what i hate about Kramnik. Sure point out flaws in the system -- no system is perfect -- but Don't imply some malicious intent to all these players. Kramnik seems to have his ego aligned with ELO, and assumes everyone else does as well. That seems like an Kramnik (or Russian?) issue... i wish he'd explain the actual issue with the system better without personal attacks.
He mentions it, because his whole argument is leveraging performance rating and predicted match outcome in conditional probabilities, e.g. 2800 PFR can happen once (p=3%), but unlikely 5 times in a row (3% pow5). The premise behind this is that 1. The ratings are accurate & 2. the underlying rating system is good predictor of win probabilities. His math makes more sense if he can argue that Fide blitz doesnt reflect his actual elo playing strength. The general problem here is that elo is a measure of all games ever played and performance itself is fluctuating by a fair bit.
Good points. Assuming independence between successive matches is also seriously questionable from a statistical point of view.
When will Kramnik learn that Danya is not taking the challenge because Danya doesn't see the point in doing such.
50k isnt such a bad reason
@@egads3696 you know kramnik is gonna cry in the end and will not pay.
@@mohammedshoaib1774 - the $$ should be paid to a third party prior to starting ….
@@egads3696 I think money sometimes isn't all that matters, if Danya wins, he gets money everyone is happy. But if Kramnik draws or just barely wins. Kramnik will have so much exposure and him calling out opponents on titled tuesday would be so much more annoying because it will be taken more seriously.
We all know K won’t accept the end result anyway. Can’t reason with krazy.
you're not a farmer when a crop just happens to grow on your backyard
I think Danya & Bortnyk play those Charlotte events because they want to put Charlotte on the map. Its not their fault that they are the only two strong GMs that live in that area, but I think they are trying to really make it a springboard for the young players of Charlotte.
We actually have 4 local grandmasters out here. I play at the club every week and I’ve also played bortnyk and Daniel
As someone who has played in the Charlotte Chess Center, it's just a place to celebrate and promote chess. It's one of the most wholesome communities I've experienced. I showed some people a cool 2. Ne2 line against Caro-Kann and they were so excited to learn! I understand the criticisms that Kramnik is trying to make here, but the problem is with the way FIDE calculates elo, not with Danya. There are entire events dedicated to grind GM norms, Danya's not the villain here.
Very true. I will also say that Kramnik's accusations are unproveable since he has made the claim of "ghost cheating" going on, which is cheating one or two moves a game. That cannot be detected IMO with ordinary techniques. A strong master only needs one or two such hints at critical points to win. So what's the solution? Do as Epic Games does in Fortnite and other video games: require players to install a TSR program to detect what programs are running on your machine when you play online. If Fritz/Stockfish is detected, you are disqualified. This happened once in online chess with the "Internet Chess Club" but it was not popular due to invasion of privacy concerns but might need to be re-introduced.
Anyone who disrespects Kramnik should think about what they would be doing if they were convinved someone is not legit. What else should he be doing than offer someone a match where he thinks that he is actually lower rated. Kramnik is doing the exact right thing. Following famous and popular people blindly is sheep behaviour (very bad).
Maybe Danny just doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself to this maniac, or has personal reasons for not doing it. When a crazy girl calls 80 times in a row, you just don't answer.
Kramnik's offer is a bit of a lose-lose situation for Danya.
This is the thing that gets me. Kramnik was (and I suppose still is) a legendary player in the game. But in the context of following through on cheating, he's just some guy. He's not part of a chess organisation as far as I know, doesn't run a chess site, doesn't even organise tournaments or anything. He's just a guy who's going around making accusations at players and getting constant publicity and opportunities he wouldn't normally get because of his existing status in the chess world.
Nobody has any responsibility to play a match with Kramnik to prove anything, and as you said the most responsible thing to do when a crazy person is coming after you is cut them off, not feed into their delusions.
I think Danya actually talked about his reasons to quit OTB classical chess because of the mental strain it put on him when facing lower-rated opponents in open tournaments. Might have been on the c-squared podcast. As far as I remember he also highlighted how he always had to fight with the (irrational) fear, that him being relatively well-known in the community would also make a potential loss harder because it would become a topic on reddit.
Would not be surprised if this was part of the reason he prefers to play OTB Blitz in an environment that is more familiar and has less publicity. If he were to be after the rating points he would definitely be able to use his FIDE blitz rating way more as promotion. Then again there's no way to know his motivation. But the point of a fault in the ELO system does sound justified for sure.
I think Kramnik views respect as a zero sum game. The more respect is given to GMs of a different skillset than his the less respect there is for his legacy.
Well Danya and Bortnyk farming low rated kids most of them rated 1400-2000 once or twice a month. While always do draw between themselves. Those are pre organized tournaments. It is definitely not moral and have some etiquette issue.
Kramnik could have done this without the whole 50k match ego thing. He could have just presented the concerns right away if his motivation is to stop cheating.
Ref: Fide blitz rating. It actually counts for something money wise if they can farm it up above 2750, because itll give them free hotels and travel to NYC WRB this christmas.
These are all free blitz side events for the major tournaments in Charlotte. Having Danya and Bortnyk there attracts others to play. Nothing nefarious here, it’s marketing for the Charlotte Chess Club. Sounds like Kramnik has an issue with the rating system, not Danya and Bortnyk.
Yep. A quick glance at the Charlotte Chess Club site makes it pretty obvious what's going on. They are resident coaches. The farming is an unfortunate side effect, but this is what happens when coaches go into events with their students, but then it's for the students benefit with the opportunity.
FIDE makes assinine decisions. I don't understand the logic behind having this delicate rating system where the Elo difference is meant to represent win probability, and then just saying "nahhhh F that, >400 = 400".. It's just so stupid and a waste of the mathematical formula.
It really makes no sense regardless of the who and where.
because you are not smart enough, just like kramnik
Now that the World Rapid & Blitz Championship will be in New York this year, I hope we will see a couple of people that are usually absent because of having to travel overseas such as Naroditsky, Bortnyk, So, Martinez... it's always a shame that some of these strong speed chess players are absent because of the travel distance and the timing (Christmas season)
Narodistky had no problem travelling with chesscom travelling to Paris. He is just lying
Kramnik is a real hustler, baiting Danya for high-stakes cash game like that. Hats off to the grind.
hats off? so pathetic
good point, he's a common gambler
Im honestly not even sure Kramnik is all that much better than Danya is at this point. Im not just saying in Blitz and Rapid that Danya is better as Im sure many here would agree with that, I mean standard as well. Kramnik peaked in 2017, lost rating from 2800 down to 2750 in Feb 2019 and then quit playing tournament chess. That 5.5 years of being inactive, hes past his prime, wouldnt be surprised if his strength right now is closer to 2650. If I was betting man I probably still take Kramnik, but I think its pretty close.
@@Inbal_Feuchtwangerxd
Kramnik: Cheating is a big problem in chess. My solution? Accuse the players who AREN'T cheating of cheating. I am very smart.
I mean.. If you consider abusing rules to gain rating cheating then Danya is 100% objectively cheating. Danya himself might mean no harm by it but it's also true his rating is artificially inflated by farming low rated players. My guess Is Danya would even admit to that an say its BS that he xan do that... so why are you defending it?
@@Livinginwonderland77 There are entire events organised so that a single GM can grind norms or qualify, nobody considers it against the rules.
@@Livinginwonderland77do you know what cheating is ??
@@Livinginwonderland77 Bro you should probably look up cheating in the dictionary
@@Livinginwonderland77 You're confused.
38:09 "Then there was deflation during covid" never thought I'd hear that sentence.
In general I think this is 100% a FIDE issue that needs to be addressed.
Krammnik is just doing this to get somebody to play him. It's a good marketing ploy actually.
Kramnik calling what he does "investigation" reminds me of a time when I met an unemployed young man and I asked him what he did all day, and he said "researching", I was impressed and I asked him whether he was studying a PhD or a Masters, and he was confused, I later figured out that what he called "research" was just internet browsing.
LMAO😂
hey man, its harder than it sounds. and trying to research within the confines of a stuffy institutional bureaucracy is like trying to swim upstream with pants made out of concrete
I'm not defending Clownnik, but your analogy is kinda meh. Credentialism sucks, it's just a classist tool. People can do legit research without the privilege it takes to be within higher academia, and people can do legit investigations independently. Again, not saying that's what's happening here, just that although there are valid criticisms to be made of some people's efforts and qualifications in technical skills, credentialism is not a foundation for any such valid criticisms.
It’s not credentialism. He doesn’t need to have a data analysis degree if he were doing proper analysis. The criticism is that he is “investigating” in such a naïve, unsophisticated and fundamentally flawed manner that it is not helpful to actually call it investigation. Just like the guy who said he was researching was just surfing the web. Language is meaningful and helpful because words have relatively standard ways of conveying meaning. To call what he does being and “investigative process is misleading. An investigation starts with a question and appropriate information is gathered to reach a conclusion. He starts with a conclusion and then gathers information(regardless of appropriateness) to confirm it.
@@user-wu7ug4ly3v I totally agree about the criticism of Kramnik, especially now that you've elaborated on how exactly you mean by that. I more meant to target my nitpick at the analogy side with the dude doing research -- and once again, I'm not saying they couldn't possibly have been doing it crappily and misusing the term, I'm just saying not being associated with a higher ed program isn't a sound argument for that conclusion (which is the implied argument I understood from your OP). Sorry if I conveyed my point poorly before
Kramnik is the stew you get when your grandmother includes all the rancid stuff in the fridge and boils it in beef broth to disguise the taste.
Savage
i think thats called bioterrorism
Dang man, your grandma must have been a real witch. Mine would put all the stuff in the pot _before_ it went off.
What is the difference in Danya's otb and online ratings?
Is there any good reason for this?
Catching Cheaters ft. DJ Kramnik (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL)
A series where Eric grinds hard enough to get challenged for cheating by kramnik would be amazing.
Of all the people to accuse of cheating, it's not gonna be Danya
Interesting that no one calls Kramnik out on his bullshit. For example, he bases a lot of his statements on TT, which is 3+1, but then wants the matches to prove his point to be 3+2. Make it make sense.
I agree the format should be the same. After all why kramnik cares? If he claims they cheat why does it matter for him? He should play excat same format (nardoitsky I assume is best in plus zero) so even this should be the format. If kramnik claims he is better he should prove it on the same format that they ( nardotisky) overperfrom
He's been called out (and dismissed every one of them) multiple times. Anyone impartially viewing the data understands that cheating in online chess is definitely an issue, but has long since concluded that what Kramnik is seeing are ghosts. Any actual cheating he may "discover" is simply a matter of a broken clock being right on rare occasion.
I almost feel like Kramnik just stirs this up to spur up chances to play chess for money.
Most likely
Could be the chess club likes to have them participate in those tournaments to attract players. I also saw dina belenkaya on this list. They might just invite streamers for this reason. And I mean I would fin it erally cool, if my local chess club invites Danya or whoever for regular tournaments, so I get the chance to play him once in my life. It's not said, that they are plaiying these tournaments to farm points. They might actually not care about the points. Either way, you can't blame those guys, you'd rather have to blame FIDE if anyone.
The reason they reinstated this rule, was that all the kids after covid were terribly underrated, even more than usual. I mean you could change that rule, that a rating can only be adjusted for calculation up to a certain point. Let's say 2000 or so. This way you would still have a lot less rating deflation in the system, but the farming wouldn't be possible like it is right now
I got into watching chess streaming because of Naroditsky. I was watching a lot of Magnus playing one minute games and there was only one person, Rebecca Harris, who was actually giving Magnus a hard time. For me that is prove enough that he is the real deal. You can't fake one minute games, unless you let the program make the moves... but that seems a bit too far fetched.
Nobody with any credibility is questioning Danya. The guy is rock solid, on and off the chess board. Laughable actually
@@Jefferson-ly5qe why does he not compete?
@@kimborampage why did magnus give up the world champion title?
@@vibesverily I’m not accusing, I’m just asking. Magnus hasn’t given a consistent answer as to why.
@@kimborampage Danya has spoken about his struggles with anxiety during OTB matches. I can relate, I don't like to play live games of poker because the nerves get to me so bad that it negatively impacts my game. Online, it's a different story. But nobody gives me a hard time on X if I go play in-person and bomb. I don't have thousands of eyes looking at my every mistake. So I can definitely understand anxiety being a big reason to avoid live play.
Not to take sides, but I think Kramnik was told, after sharing his concerns, that they are Top Blitz Players because of their high Fide Ratings, and he wanted to take this argument away. That way it makes sense to me.
Kramnik is trying to get a freeroll for 50k. If he loses he will find an excuse to not pay.
Kramnik clearly hasn't watched a Danya speed run
Kramnik's kid: "Dad, can we have Iuri Shkuro?"
Kramnik: "No, we have Iuri Shkuro at home."
Iuri Shkuro at home: Daniel Naroditsky
Off topic, I love how Kramnik uses "Chesscom" without the dot. Very Soviet of him.
I look forward to the reactions to part 3. Bc8 is very interesting move :)
A very interesting move, that was only the 2nd strongest via a single engine at a particular depth setting, that wasn't even played during the game in question.
@@theKashConnoisseurexactly.
25:47 This is a monster , most hilarious word any chess player ever said
Is Kramnik lost it? Danya is one of the most honorable people ever. True tzadik
Danya's inactivity in OTB blitz meant he was underrated for a long time. Now that he's playing more, his rating is now commensurate with his skill level. Hope that helps, Kramnik.
To catch a chess cheater with Vladmir Kramnik ft Eric Hansen?
whaaat?????
@@FerrisMcLaren It's a reference to a 20 year old American TV program called "To catch a predator"
Eric hansen the brother of chris hansen
Why don't you take a seat right over there
Clever!
I already can't breathe I'm laughing so hard. Vlad the cad and bathroom bandit from the 2006 World Championship never fails to entertain.
It takes a cheater to spot one. - Kramnik, 2024
I literally have kevin macleod's monkey spinning monkey playing in the background and it makes it 100 times funnier
Recognizable, famous players, or content creators playing these tournaments bring more attention to it and makes it more interesting. The tournament and the farmers are using each other, and the lower rated players love playing vs celebrities.
exactly, the only way to milk money out of this joke of a sport is to enable and protect cheaters until they become "celebrities"
Asking for morality in sports is not clever. There are rules and penalties for breaking the rules. If farming is possible it is up to the rulemaker to stop it or not. Don't complain just play.
I have seen this play out before. In Part III Kramnik is going to invade the Charlotte chess center!
Me watching eric on 1.25x speed watching kramnik on 1.25x.speed
I feel a bit nervous to agree with Kramik...
But if you're rated 2500 and beat a player rated 1500 I don't think you should get any gain in rating.. Is that crazy?
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but if FIDE puts a 400 ELO rule in place, it's not the players' fault for taking advantage of it when not doing so would present a clear disadvantage. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" kind of situation.
Kills the whole point of resorting to fide rating if people gain from far below their rating. Won't see that online.
The only reason I think Danya should accept this absurdity is to make Kramnik $50,000 poorer
FIDE could change the system to make farming more tedious, something like:
0.8 for ≥ 400 rating difference
0.4 for ≥ 600 rating difference
0.2 for ≥ 800 rating difference
0.1 for ≥ 1000 rating difference
Next up: glancing-above-your-screen-gate, get the popcorn out lads. And now Danya responded on Twitch, sad that he has to respond. No good way to argue you did NOT cheat, first there must be proper evidence that you DID cheat!
I don’t understand why farming rating is so diabolical anyway. If you gain a lot of rating from farming and you get invited to a top level tournament. Either you do well because you really are that good or you get demolished because you’re not at that level. Can someone elaborate, please? Is it because you may get sponsorships without deserving them?
you get invited to specific tournaments and count as one of the big boys even though you might not be
Of course a Dr Funkenstein would not care about truth inherently
Danya can just play a single tournament with top gm's and show his skills there, but he wont.
The FIDE rating rule is questionable but it is what it is. The Charlotte events are clearly Monthly club events in which Bortnyk and Danya take part as leading players to give those lower players an opportunity to face them, and they are rated because those other players get a rating. His argument ignores the other players in these events.
I am not sure if Danya's position at the Charlotte club makes the challenge appropriate.
Eric finally addresses the “but ok” question
Ain’t NO WAY he thinks Danya of all people is cheating 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
some of his evidence is compelling. danya has a dominating blitz score against 3-4 people in the top 10 fide blitz ratings. so why doesn't he compete for the world blitz championship?
Farming was happening famously during the race to the youngest GM when Magnus was young and Karjakin was the Ukranian/Russian hero!? Or so I remember!
danya should flex on kramnik and play a blitz match against fabi and do reasonably well as he probably would do
We can make Kramnik jokes all we want, but clearly he has a point that some rating manipulation is going on.
Rating and game manipulation is neither new nor unknown. You can see examples of Russian players manipulating match outcomes between each other as far back as the Bobby Fischer days. It's not the most sportsmanlike, but it's not against the rules.
@@theKashConnoisseur I don't think he explicitly says it's against the rules, and I certainly didn't. It is a scummy tactic though, not really in line with how most people perceive Danya.
@@smwg4187 If it's not against the rules, and is more or less encouraged by the regulations, how is it scummy?
And this is ignoring that the accusations about rating inflation are just allegations, and haven't been confirmed. Honest draws happen, and while streaks of them have a lower probability that doesn't guarantee collusion. Not that it would be a problem if the two friends with nothing to gain from going hard on one another decided to play known drawing lines.
@@theKashConnoisseur the action is literally known as "rating manipulation" - Sometimes nomen est omen and it being scummy is quite obvious. You're jacking your rating up artificially by playing against opponents who pose no threat and gaining an unfair and manufactured rating advantage over people who are only playing honest tournaments against competition roughly their own level.
@@smwg4187 Yes, I know what it's called, lol. But thank you. The 400 points rule directly encourages smurfing. When you can get the same points for beating someone 1100+ ELO below your rating as you would someone 400 points below it, it literally disincentivizes playing people of similar strength.
If it's not against the rules, it's allowed. If it's encouraged by the regulations, it's the game's current meta. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Especially over unproven allegations.
Also imagine guy accuses People than Gives his Own odds And thinks it somehow fair it is such a scumbag move
The problem with all of this is that ELO rating is a statistical metric. One game, or even a small number of games, isn't sufficient to deduce whether someone's rating is correct.
I find it comforting to know that Kramnik stays up late combing through USCF tournament results online. He's a man on a mission. "This is a monster. Two-one-oh-five." 😂
Danya now? Come on. Hikaru I could maybe see. But Danya is the nicest dude and he always spoke openly about how many cheaters there are on the platform, also he plays super, super fast, not saying is not possible to cheat that way, but is significantly harder.
Lance Armstrong was also the innocent golden boy until it turned he was a horrible cheater. Looks can be deceiving. Never judge a book by its cover. The points Kramnik makes in parts 2 and 3 are interesting regarding his eye movements, suspicious moves, having a chess cheating extension built into his browser, and refusal to play against other top GMs in proctored events.
His entire perspective on what is moral or immoral, is flawed.
He’s Russian. They get money from their government to play chess. If they’re good they get a house and a regular salary as well as other important benefits like having their travel expenses paid off.
This is hardly the case for just about anyone else so him blaming people for doing what they need to do to survive and calling it immoral is ignorant, unrealistic and dumb.
This whole thing started several years ago with Kramnik saying Andrekin is a flagger after Andrekin flagged Kramnik in a dead drawn position during a TT game.
Of course, what Kramnik never seems to understand is that he has capital. He is rich. People like Andrekin need to earn money to feed their children and if that means flagging so they get third place in TT and earn a few hundred dollars then that is what they’ll do.
More on that… the irony here is that Russians, if anything, are known to be immoral. Going back as far as the Fischer days and how they would all draw each other in 12 moves and only play against him. Or, the infamous David Bronstein story where, after already having a lead against Botvinnik in their world championship match, suddenly Bronstein’s dad was “released” from prison (BTW, he was in prison for being Jewish. Yes, that is literally why!) and was kept in the crowd surrounded by guards and it was made clear to Bronstein that he was either to lose the world championship match or lose his dad. Not much of a choice.
The thing is, Kramnik’s perspective on farming and unrealistic rating can be seen as somewhat correct but at the same time how someone matches against Carlsen doesn’t necessarily reflect on someone’s strength either.
There are many (many many many) GMs who gained their titles in places, and during times, where their competition was less than great.
If you follow GM Averbach you’ll see he often shares games by so called GMs who obviously play at a sub 2000 level including games where said GMs played 7 blunders straight.
On the other hand, like Eric suggested, if someone doesn’t have money, doesn’t live in a country where his entire life is paid off, then picking and choosing closed tournaments in order to get to 2700 in order to get invites, seems perfectly moral and even advisable to me. That he will then have to prove his level against tougher opposition seems as legitimate as legitimate gets to me. I don’t see any issues with it.
"hardly the case for just about anyone else"
bro, most pros are like that. yes, not usa. but others. look at india. lads get huge money being 18 year olds or smth. russian players wouldn't dream of such money, i tell you, honestly.
"Russians, if anything, are known to be immoral"
this is just racism.
you need to chill.
and yes kramnik is crazy
Russian team is banned, players can't play under their flag. How moral is that? Carlsen supports that solution. It comes from his ignorance part of which is not knowing for example, that his country was one of 15 who attacked Serbia in order to separate Kosovo from it, and later recognize it as independent state. Second Albanian state, which is unique case in Europe. Anyone banned, played without country's flag? Double standards. Ignorant, unrealistic and dumb.
The point that they play the tournaments to make life fun in Charlotte is fair. But if the 400 point rule had not come back, the number of points they would gain from a 100% performance against this opposition would be tiny (maybe none at all). Once all opponents are minimum 2200 by fiat, it becomes a cash register. It appears quite telling, at first sight, that Naroditsky and Bortnyk were not playing many of these tournaments before the beginning of 2024. What would be interesting is if they paused when the 400 point rule was in abeyance (a "giveaway" that the cash register had been dismantled) or if they didn't start before moving to Charlotte (supports the community fun idea). As it happens, neither of them played any OTB blitz in the years before 2022, but both started playing some tournaments from mid-2023 - regularly from the beginning of 2024. Naroditsky has been living in Charlotte since 2019, a long time in the history of the borderline between competitive chess and content creation. It is not obvious what either player would have to gain from a plainly artificial uptick in their FIDE blitz ratings anyway. But was the ratings effect purely an accidental by-product of community chess activity? Probably not.
True. Kramnik has two separate issues with Danya. Please do another video on Kramnik's other posts.
20:44 so what you're saying is.....Danya and Bortnyk are exploiting the system to farm easy points. So basically what Kramnik is stating 😂. Kramnik has a point.
I had assumed Kramnik was tripping but looking at it, yes, ultimately Danya is abusing the 400 rating rule to farm. Possibly somewhat accidentally.
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1:07 Kramnik's jumper gets brighter as you go deeper into the Matrix? Definitely raises a suspicion.
Kramnik's logic is that someone who works at improving in blitz is suspicious for improving at blitz...
4 of his opponents were 2277 rating. thats making me think its match fixed and not just farming.
Oh please. Danya is purer than the driven snow.
Unlimited 400 rule makes it also so that on average you lose points to anyone who has slightly lower rating than you. You also gain rating when playing against slightly higher rated players. The 400 rule increases rating differences between skill levels. That of course also means that top players lose points when rule is limited because majority of players are lower rated who have enough numbers to maintain their rating while top players slowly lose points to lower rated players.
Removing the rule would be more healthy for rating system. Too bad people assume that ratings can be compared over different erase. Therefore any clear lowering of top ratings would be unacceptable.
Oh McDonald had a farm elo elo oh And on this farm he had a patz, elo elo oh. 🎶
Never backed anything in my life, but I'd back Danya $50k no problems whatsoever, hit me up and I'll back him. He's the man.
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I am dubious for the simple reason that I don't think Danya cares about OTB anymore in a serious way. If he did, he'd be at the US Champs.
Why are people even giving this any attention? This dude accuses somebody of cheating every other day
Eric is right.. would be awesome to play Kramnik.. former world champ and whether you agree with him or not.. he’s a G