Kramnik has put on youtube 3 1/2 hours of content dedicated to Naroditsky. And it boils down to 1 move, just one from hundreds of hours of streaming and almost 200k games. One solitary move is all the chess evidence Kramnik has - a move not even played. In addition, he moves his eyes, and he has a better score against some players than others. A good score against Kramnik, coincidentally. That's it. Really, believe it or not, that's all there is! He has been studied by one of the greats of the game and his team of AI experts, statisticians and whoever, for hours, days, and that's all they have - nothing. Naroditsky can now call himself the cleanest player online - Kramnik has proved his honesty, put him through the 'procedure' and then some and found nothing. If there was doubt before, he's been declared clean now. No amount of money could have bought Naroditsky the vindication and clean bill of health that Kramnik has gifted him.
It's not just one move. Danya apparently uses the engine in fun games which Kramnik doesn't like. He doesn't like that you can just run the engine besides you and that everyone should just trust you won't cheat.
@@clearsight655 Everyone is capable of running the engine so that proved nothing the game in which he did was not rated as it was a Speedrun so calling that in itself cheating is absurd.
@@omerdvir1709 That is against the rules and a cause for concern is Kramnik's first point. Then he goes on to believe that since Danya knows this then he is likely to be doing other stuff. And Danya does do rating farming too. I think Kramnik speaks too bluntly, otherwise his points are at core kind of valid.
@@clearsight655Danya used engine a few years ago in an educational speedrun. Danya was close to 2000 points higher rated than his opponent, and up a full queen. Kramnik’s accusations are ridiculous. But Danya also admitted he still should not have used engine and doesn’t.
@@clearsight655 No they aren't. Just because something is suspicious doesn't mean you act like they are cheating. Statistics finds anomalies and then explains them before considering some more problematic reasons. The absurdity of calling this a legitimate reason to consider a cheater is immense and it's honestly so frustrating. You could do this with any player but is everybody cheating? No. Kramnik is greatly lacking anything convincing simply because he is not in a position to judge or help but he really wants to. Leave it to a statistician or a programmer to develop better mechanisms to catch cheaters
Yeah it's just blackmailing basically. Classic online tactic if you want someone to do what you want; put them publicly on the spot, argument in a way that it's in the victims interest to cooperate and if they don't you lay down "evidence" in your favor so their reputation gets hit.
Danya is rated 2707, Kramnik is 2670. Danya is higher rated. So it means Danya has more chance to win 50k. If you think Kramnik wants Danya just to give 50k, then you don't believe in danya and also you think he might be cheating? It is just not logical.
@masterthesis4645 Why would he? Some lunatic trashes your reputation publicly and you should give them the attention they're looking for. It's a much better idea to just ignore the crazy old man and not give him any credibility
Don't forget guys, kramnik has realised it's easy money to claim someone's a cheat and then play them. He's already tried doing this same trick to a kid, and is now so desperate that he's blackmailing famous GM's.
Kramnik is accusing Daniel that he cheats. Why Daniel has to prove to him that he is not ? Kramnik became chess police on his own. I wouldn’t even talk to him just from the way he behaves
Well.... I mean, if you consider rule abuse as cheating then what Danya is doing is objectively 100% cheating. They aren't even accusations, it's just factually what's happening
@@Livinginwonderland77 What a post lol. So you begin with an unsubstantiated claim, you make a false attribution to a quote that was never said, and then you insinuate that any refusal to address the accusations (which have been addressed but you didn't know that, obviously) equates to an admission of guilt. The mental gymnastics required to even craft that reply must have required years of training.
Kramnik's part 2 is just 37 minutes of him being confused about Danya looking at different parts of the chessboard because I guess he thinks he has a tiny monitor and isn't sitting close to it.
Nice rating you have there, Mr. Naroditsky. Would be such a shame for something to happen to it. We here at the Bratva Chess Bros offer a wonderful service to protect your reputation. A match with one of our Chess Integrity Officers for a small "fee" will keep you safe.
Danya has played Magnus hundreds of times, has met all the top players through his announcing. Playing an exhibition match against Kramnik isn’t some great opportunity.
@@albertosapori5977 thats fake news, he pulled up an engine in a speedrun game that he considered already won that he was up a queen and a pawn in. He also wasnt using the engine on current moves but on moves at the beginning of the game to see how accurate both him and his opponent played at the start, which doesnt effect current board state at all. It was still wrong for him to pull up the engine early when his opponent hadn't yet surrendered and he issued a public apology, but he didn't cheat at all. He was using it for post game analysis, but his opponent refused to surrender like he thought they would.
@@davidsantiago7808 it's not fake news at all, there is a video in which he uses the engine to evaluate. He cheated, Kramnik is damn right about Danya cheating. Danya is not a 2700 player, he cheated a lot.
Pretty sure the Chess Club have put some nonsense on towards the end of this year to get Fabi the FIDE Circuit place for the next cycle over Arjun and Abdusattorov
And actually this is worse because it gives you a chance at championship just by surpassing some elo threshold. On the other hand what danya did every club player can do .. just play much weaker players it is perfectly a lower. But for qualification per elo to championship I think it shouldn't be allowed
Don't understand the hate against Alireza. He followed the rules. If you have problem with the rules, you should hate the org who made those rules. Hate the game, not the player.
Maybe Danny just doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself to this maniac, or has personal reasons for not doing it. When a crazy girl calls 80 times in a row, you just don't answer.
This is the thing that gets me. Kramnik was (and I suppose still is) a legendary player in the game. But in the context of following through on cheating, he's just some guy. He's not part of a chess organisation as far as I know, doesn't run a chess site, doesn't even organise tournaments or anything. He's just a guy who's going around making accusations at players and getting constant publicity and opportunities he wouldn't normally get because of his existing status in the chess world. Nobody has any responsibility to play a match with Kramnik to prove anything, and as you said the most responsible thing to do when a crazy person is coming after you is cut them off, not feed into their delusions.
I get explaining why the rating SYSTEM makes no sense, and pointing out how it can be exploited. However, Kramnik does alot of implying and suggesting that Danya is doing something nefarious. That is what i hate about Kramnik. Sure point out flaws in the system -- no system is perfect -- but Don't imply some malicious intent to all these players. Kramnik seems to have his ego aligned with ELO, and assumes everyone else does as well. That seems like an Kramnik (or Russian?) issue... i wish he'd explain the actual issue with the system better without personal attacks.
Danya gained 3 rating points in total in one of those tournaments - it is so ineffective, it is hard to call it farming, especially if they have to travel to locations. I'm pretty sure he is strong enough to farm 200 elo points lower rated players with much faster gains. P.S. "to maintain the same rating" the best strategy is to not play at all ;)
This farming is not very realistic. You gain 0.8 per game. Whos gonna travel and spend money and time to go to an amateur tournament and gain 8 rating points for a perfect 10/10 score? The Danya/Bortinik case is a very specific situation, because the tournaments are organized by their employer and they probably are incentivized to play.
@@armandsarmands eh I know an Icelandic GM that reached 2700 blitz while being roughly 2550 fide by farming local blitz tournaments, this was roughly 5-6 years ago.
I think Danya & Bortnyk play those Charlotte events because they want to put Charlotte on the map. Its not their fault that they are the only two strong GMs that live in that area, but I think they are trying to really make it a springboard for the young players of Charlotte.
That tweet is phrased like some type of blackmail ultimatum, so good on Danya for ignoring it. Agreeing to the match could be perceived as fearing Kramnik releasing the data.
He mentions it, because his whole argument is leveraging performance rating and predicted match outcome in conditional probabilities, e.g. 2800 PFR can happen once (p=3%), but unlikely 5 times in a row (3% pow5). The premise behind this is that 1. The ratings are accurate & 2. the underlying rating system is good predictor of win probabilities. His math makes more sense if he can argue that Fide blitz doesnt reflect his actual elo playing strength. The general problem here is that elo is a measure of all games ever played and performance itself is fluctuating by a fair bit.
@@egads3696 I think money sometimes isn't all that matters, if Danya wins, he gets money everyone is happy. But if Kramnik draws or just barely wins. Kramnik will have so much exposure and him calling out opponents on titled tuesday would be so much more annoying because it will be taken more seriously.
These are all free blitz side events for the major tournaments in Charlotte. Having Danya and Bortnyk there attracts others to play. Nothing nefarious here, it’s marketing for the Charlotte Chess Club. Sounds like Kramnik has an issue with the rating system, not Danya and Bortnyk.
Yep. A quick glance at the Charlotte Chess Club site makes it pretty obvious what's going on. They are resident coaches. The farming is an unfortunate side effect, but this is what happens when coaches go into events with their students, but then it's for the students benefit with the opportunity.
Kramnik could have done this without the whole 50k match ego thing. He could have just presented the concerns right away if his motivation is to stop cheating.
The part about rating farming lower rated players, while definitely a valid complaint, is not totally fair. First of all, you attract a lot of players by offering to play in your own events who might not show up if it weren't for the opportunity to play a 2600+ GM. At my club, we had mostly U/1400 players but we had one student (currently a NM) who broke that barrier and was approaching the instructors (1.9-2k) in rating, and he wouldn't show up for tournaments unless at least one of us was able to play him a game. I would imagine similarly there is little reason for higher rated players to show up to a club they outperform and having GMs competing gives quite a boost to the club. Secondly from my experience as a TO at a club, my rating fluctuated at 1900-2000 for 2 years because my boss kept insisting that I play the field when they needed an extra game, and as a very aggressive player at the time a random draw to a 1300 would suck 30-40 points off my rating (the 400 point rule wasn't around then I think), and I didn't have much time to travel and compete when I was teaching weekends there. Certainly if you're heads and shoulders above the field, and have the experience of a GM you have much better chances of winning 100 games out of 100, but it's certainly not without its risks, and the 400 point rule honestly helps address those risks. If you wanted to address the issue of "farming lower rated players", there are many good ideas for rules to implement, but it's difficult to avoid perverse incentives. I don't think the Bortnyks or Danya were engaged in such incentives, I would guess it was more along the lines of "hey here's this cool way we can promote our club and get some small benefit from it" which appears to be the simplest explanation as well, but I don't know them personally and could certainly be wrong.
Kramnik has a very good point here, actually. This rule doesn't make a lot of sense. But him choosing Naroditsky and Bortnik doesn't look good, as the lads participate in a local club only, they don't really go farming outside. If they did though, it would have been much more serious of a case. Anyhow, a very interesting reaction video, thank you, Chessbrah.
I mean Danya himself said the rule is very foolish on stream. Playing at a local chess club feels pretty valid, since traveling incurs expenses for travel/accomodation/food
@@ryanpendlebury967 Exactly. I don't think there was any ill intent from them both. I f they had one, they would roam the country for low-level events, which they don't.
I don't believe Danya doesn't play at 2700 strength. I think there's too much evidence refuting that. I do take issue with Bortnik and Danya drawing a lot... then only playing against weaker players... I would blanket label that as "farming rating".
Morphy, Fischer… I used to wonder who the next crazy ex world chess champion would be, and it was fun when I had no idea; but now that I see the answer it’s really not that much fun.
I think Kramnik views respect as a zero sum game. The more respect is given to GMs of a different skillset than his the less respect there is for his legacy.
Kramnik calling what he does "investigation" reminds me of a time when I met an unemployed young man and I asked him what he did all day, and he said "researching", I was impressed and I asked him whether he was studying a PhD or a Masters, and he was confused, I later figured out that what he called "research" was just internet browsing.
hey man, its harder than it sounds. and trying to research within the confines of a stuffy institutional bureaucracy is like trying to swim upstream with pants made out of concrete
I'm not defending Clownnik, but your analogy is kinda meh. Credentialism sucks, it's just a classist tool. People can do legit research without the privilege it takes to be within higher academia, and people can do legit investigations independently. Again, not saying that's what's happening here, just that although there are valid criticisms to be made of some people's efforts and qualifications in technical skills, credentialism is not a foundation for any such valid criticisms.
It’s not credentialism. He doesn’t need to have a data analysis degree if he were doing proper analysis. The criticism is that he is “investigating” in such a naïve, unsophisticated and fundamentally flawed manner that it is not helpful to actually call it investigation. Just like the guy who said he was researching was just surfing the web. Language is meaningful and helpful because words have relatively standard ways of conveying meaning. To call what he does being and “investigative process is misleading. An investigation starts with a question and appropriate information is gathered to reach a conclusion. He starts with a conclusion and then gathers information(regardless of appropriateness) to confirm it.
@@user-wu7ug4ly3v I totally agree about the criticism of Kramnik, especially now that you've elaborated on how exactly you mean by that. I more meant to target my nitpick at the analogy side with the dude doing research -- and once again, I'm not saying they couldn't possibly have been doing it crappily and misusing the term, I'm just saying not being associated with a higher ed program isn't a sound argument for that conclusion (which is the implied argument I understood from your OP). Sorry if I conveyed my point poorly before
38:09 "Then there was deflation during covid" never thought I'd hear that sentence. In general I think this is 100% a FIDE issue that needs to be addressed.
Now that the World Rapid & Blitz Championship will be in New York this year, I hope we will see a couple of people that are usually absent because of having to travel overseas such as Naroditsky, Bortnyk, So, Martinez... it's always a shame that some of these strong speed chess players are absent because of the travel distance and the timing (Christmas season)
As someone who has played in the Charlotte Chess Center, it's just a place to celebrate and promote chess. It's one of the most wholesome communities I've experienced. I showed some people a cool 2. Ne2 line against Caro-Kann and they were so excited to learn! I understand the criticisms that Kramnik is trying to make here, but the problem is with the way FIDE calculates elo, not with Danya. There are entire events dedicated to grind GM norms, Danya's not the villain here.
Very true. I will also say that Kramnik's accusations are unproveable since he has made the claim of "ghost cheating" going on, which is cheating one or two moves a game. That cannot be detected IMO with ordinary techniques. A strong master only needs one or two such hints at critical points to win. So what's the solution? Do as Epic Games does in Fortnite and other video games: require players to install a TSR program to detect what programs are running on your machine when you play online. If Fritz/Stockfish is detected, you are disqualified. This happened once in online chess with the "Internet Chess Club" but it was not popular due to invasion of privacy concerns but might need to be re-introduced.
Ref: Fide blitz rating. It actually counts for something money wise if they can farm it up above 2750, because itll give them free hotels and travel to NYC WRB this christmas.
Danya playing in-house tournaments is completely normal if chess works the same as other individual sports. I'm a foil fencer/coach and I routinely participate in our open in-house tournaments (We have separate events for Y14, Y12, C&Under etc, -- which is sort of like U2000 in chess). The refs are all externally hired etc., but I always fence in the open event because it's a great experience for the students. You get better by participating against strong opponents in match conditions with medals on the line. The 400 elo rule is a FIDE problem that they have to fix. My impression at the start was that Danya traveled to tournaments to farm rating, which would be sus. The only fencing tournaments I travel to, for example, are national events. But playing in your own club's in-house tournament so that your students get a chance to face a strong grandmaster OTB is just fine.
FIDE makes assinine decisions. I don't understand the logic behind having this delicate rating system where the Elo difference is meant to represent win probability, and then just saying "nahhhh F that, >400 = 400".. It's just so stupid and a waste of the mathematical formula.
Not to take sides, but I think Kramnik was told, after sharing his concerns, that they are Top Blitz Players because of their high Fide Ratings, and he wanted to take this argument away. That way it makes sense to me.
I mean.. If you consider abusing rules to gain rating cheating then Danya is 100% objectively cheating. Danya himself might mean no harm by it but it's also true his rating is artificially inflated by farming low rated players. My guess Is Danya would even admit to that an say its BS that he xan do that... so why are you defending it?
I got into watching chess streaming because of Naroditsky. I was watching a lot of Magnus playing one minute games and there was only one person, Rebecca Harris, who was actually giving Magnus a hard time. For me that is prove enough that he is the real deal. You can't fake one minute games, unless you let the program make the moves... but that seems a bit too far fetched.
@@kimborampage Danya has spoken about his struggles with anxiety during OTB matches. I can relate, I don't like to play live games of poker because the nerves get to me so bad that it negatively impacts my game. Online, it's a different story. But nobody gives me a hard time on X if I go play in-person and bomb. I don't have thousands of eyes looking at my every mistake. So I can definitely understand anxiety being a big reason to avoid live play.
Im asking because according to kramnik research, if those documents are true, he just been farming 2000s and never plays someone strong, so his strength is not really 2700
Interesting that no one calls Kramnik out on his bullshit. For example, he bases a lot of his statements on TT, which is 3+1, but then wants the matches to prove his point to be 3+2. Make it make sense.
I agree the format should be the same. After all why kramnik cares? If he claims they cheat why does it matter for him? He should play excat same format (nardoitsky I assume is best in plus zero) so even this should be the format. If kramnik claims he is better he should prove it on the same format that they ( nardotisky) overperfrom
He's been called out (and dismissed every one of them) multiple times. Anyone impartially viewing the data understands that cheating in online chess is definitely an issue, but has long since concluded that what Kramnik is seeing are ghosts. Any actual cheating he may "discover" is simply a matter of a broken clock being right on rare occasion.
I feel a bit nervous to agree with Kramik... But if you're rated 2500 and beat a player rated 1500 I don't think you should get any gain in rating.. Is that crazy?
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but if FIDE puts a 400 ELO rule in place, it's not the players' fault for taking advantage of it when not doing so would present a clear disadvantage. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" kind of situation.
My take is that Danya does not care about the rating, but is just playing chess at his local chess club. And these games just appear to be FIDE rated. Chance is that Danya is not checking the FIDE website for his rating, but only Kramnik is....
I think Danya actually talked about his reasons to quit OTB classical chess because of the mental strain it put on him when facing lower-rated opponents in open tournaments. Might have been on the c-squared podcast. As far as I remember he also highlighted how he always had to fight with the (irrational) fear, that him being relatively well-known in the community would also make a potential loss harder because it would become a topic on reddit. Would not be surprised if this was part of the reason he prefers to play OTB Blitz in an environment that is more familiar and has less publicity. If he were to be after the rating points he would definitely be able to use his FIDE blitz rating way more as promotion. Then again there's no way to know his motivation. But the point of a fault in the ELO system does sound justified for sure.
As an ex otb chess player Eric is spot on on this one - yes blitz rating farming is kinda iffy but its harmless at the end af the day, so who cares, there are many way more important issues in the chess world
Danya's inactivity in OTB blitz meant he was underrated for a long time. Now that he's playing more, his rating is now commensurate with his skill level. Hope that helps, Kramnik.
The FIDE rating rule is questionable but it is what it is. The Charlotte events are clearly Monthly club events in which Bortnyk and Danya take part as leading players to give those lower players an opportunity to face them, and they are rated because those other players get a rating. His argument ignores the other players in these events.
Could be the chess club likes to have them participate in those tournaments to attract players. I also saw dina belenkaya on this list. They might just invite streamers for this reason. And I mean I would fin it erally cool, if my local chess club invites Danya or whoever for regular tournaments, so I get the chance to play him once in my life. It's not said, that they are plaiying these tournaments to farm points. They might actually not care about the points. Either way, you can't blame those guys, you'd rather have to blame FIDE if anyone. The reason they reinstated this rule, was that all the kids after covid were terribly underrated, even more than usual. I mean you could change that rule, that a rating can only be adjusted for calculation up to a certain point. Let's say 2000 or so. This way you would still have a lot less rating deflation in the system, but the farming wouldn't be possible like it is right now
Asking for morality in sports is not clever. There are rules and penalties for breaking the rules. If farming is possible it is up to the rulemaker to stop it or not. Don't complain just play.
Kramnik starts with defamation which is insulting. If Kramnik wants Danya to play, just 1) pay him whether he wins or loses, a 2) make it 30 second. I personally tink that Danya is one of the nicest guys in the chess world and doesn't deserve this headache.
I don’t understand why farming rating is so diabolical anyway. If you gain a lot of rating from farming and you get invited to a top level tournament. Either you do well because you really are that good or you get demolished because you’re not at that level. Can someone elaborate, please? Is it because you may get sponsorships without deserving them?
Lance Armstrong was also the innocent golden boy until it turned he was a horrible cheater. Looks can be deceiving. Never judge a book by its cover. The points Kramnik makes in parts 2 and 3 are interesting regarding his eye movements, suspicious moves, having a chess cheating extension built into his browser, and refusal to play against other top GMs in proctored events.
The problem with all of this is that ELO rating is a statistical metric. One game, or even a small number of games, isn't sufficient to deduce whether someone's rating is correct.
FIDE could change the system to make farming more tedious, something like: 0.8 for ≥ 400 rating difference 0.4 for ≥ 600 rating difference 0.2 for ≥ 800 rating difference 0.1 for ≥ 1000 rating difference
Recognizable, famous players, or content creators playing these tournaments bring more attention to it and makes it more interesting. The tournament and the farmers are using each other, and the lower rated players love playing vs celebrities.
Unlimited 400 rule makes it also so that on average you lose points to anyone who has slightly lower rating than you. You also gain rating when playing against slightly higher rated players. The 400 rule increases rating differences between skill levels. That of course also means that top players lose points when rule is limited because majority of players are lower rated who have enough numbers to maintain their rating while top players slowly lose points to lower rated players. Removing the rule would be more healthy for rating system. Too bad people assume that ratings can be compared over different erase. Therefore any clear lowering of top ratings would be unacceptable.
20:44 so what you're saying is.....Danya and Bortnyk are exploiting the system to farm easy points. So basically what Kramnik is stating 😂. Kramnik has a point.
Why is Kramnik weaker when he plays on a computer vs when he plays OTB? Is there any good reason for this? Yes. Kramnik learned to play chess OTB, and he's not as skilled with mouse movement compared to players that grew up with computers. And inversely, the current generation learned to play chess online, in game formats with short time controls that benefit quick and instinctual play over time-consuming calculation. As one would expect, the players tend to be stronger with the play style they are most familiar with.
Next up: glancing-above-your-screen-gate, get the popcorn out lads. And now Danya responded on Twitch, sad that he has to respond. No good way to argue you did NOT cheat, first there must be proper evidence that you DID cheat!
A very interesting move, that was only the 2nd strongest via a single engine at a particular depth setting, that wasn't even played during the game in question.
Well Danya and Bortnyk farming low rated kids most of them rated 1400-2000 once or twice a month. While always do draw between themselves. Those are pre organized tournaments. It is definitely not moral and have some etiquette issue.
It's the rules fault though, not the players fault. Daniel is the resident GM and head coach of the Charlotte Chess Club and they have open blitz tournaments; it would be a little ridiculous to expect him not to participate, and it gives players who enter the chance to play a GM OTB which might be a once in a lifetime opportunity for some people.
I’m glad this is a 3 part series… I’m fine with people having an inflated rating…. Do it all day… Maybe the players are playing these events to play the top GMs. But at the end of the day when the rubber hits the pavement… the truth will surface. Hikaru speaks highly of Danya and has still adopted him. Blitz rating is only one measure of many to determine someone’s skill in chess.
Anyone who disrespects Kramnik should think about what they would be doing if they were convinved someone is not legit. What else should he be doing than offer someone a match where he thinks that he is actually lower rated. Kramnik is doing the exact right thing. Following famous and popular people blindly is sheep behaviour (very bad).
If I thought someone was cheating in a game I was playing, I'd just not play them anymore. Simple as. I wouldn't post about it on X, I wouldn't make a 5 part, multi-hour video series about it, I wouldn't challenge them to additional matches. I'd just ignore their existence.
@@AlRask-j3b No, I am a sceptic and argue. I am curious and dont follow the opiniins of popular people just because they are popular. Kramnik is not popular. And if he was talking nonsense, I would say it.
@@fh2234 Ah, but other former and current world champs agree with me don't they. What was Carlsen's response when he thought Hans was cheating OTB? That's right, he resigned and refused to play him.
I find it comforting to know that Kramnik stays up late combing through USCF tournament results online. He's a man on a mission. "This is a monster. Two-one-oh-five." 😂
I would happily stake $50k for Danya to play this match if risking his own money is a sticking point.
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What is this crossover
Holy shit
Makes music bro
It’s easy to stake money you don’t have
He is the “natty or not” of chess
Except he's coaching the most sussy dude of them all and investigating the others. Can't wait until Hans beats Kramnik on a tilted tusday
Hikaru is a natty; he's just great at chess because he eats extra portions of chicken and broccoli...
Yes
@@francis_0077he's coaching a confirmed fake natty who loves to play the victim pretty much
The perfect analogy
If the match takes place, Kramnik will win because if he wins he wins but if he loses it will be very interesting and he'll do the procedure
lmfao
danya should challenge him to a duel to the death with real guns and then he should kill kramnik
As funny as your comment is: Danya should win on metrics, so it wouldn't be so interesting 😄
Basically what happened at the Jospem match, so yeah
In the middle of reading this it actually turned into Kramnik's voice in my head, lol.
Kramnik has put on youtube 3 1/2 hours of content dedicated to Naroditsky. And it boils down to 1 move, just one from hundreds of hours of streaming and almost 200k games. One solitary move is all the chess evidence Kramnik has - a move not even played.
In addition, he moves his eyes, and he has a better score against some players than others. A good score against Kramnik, coincidentally.
That's it. Really, believe it or not, that's all there is! He has been studied by one of the greats of the game and his team of AI experts, statisticians and whoever, for hours, days, and that's all they have - nothing. Naroditsky can now call himself the cleanest player online -
Kramnik has proved his honesty, put him through the 'procedure' and then some and found nothing.
If there was doubt before, he's been declared clean now. No amount of money could have bought Naroditsky the vindication and clean bill of health that Kramnik has gifted him.
It's not just one move. Danya apparently uses the engine in fun games which Kramnik doesn't like. He doesn't like that you can just run the engine besides you and that everyone should just trust you won't cheat.
@@clearsight655 Everyone is capable of running the engine so that proved nothing the game in which he did was not rated as it was a Speedrun so calling that in itself cheating is absurd.
@@omerdvir1709 That is against the rules and a cause for concern is Kramnik's first point. Then he goes on to believe that since Danya knows this then he is likely to be doing other stuff. And Danya does do rating farming too. I think Kramnik speaks too bluntly, otherwise his points are at core kind of valid.
@@clearsight655Danya used engine a few years ago in an educational speedrun. Danya was close to 2000 points higher rated than his opponent, and up a full queen. Kramnik’s accusations are ridiculous. But Danya also admitted he still should not have used engine and doesn’t.
@@clearsight655 No they aren't. Just because something is suspicious doesn't mean you act like they are cheating. Statistics finds anomalies and then explains them before considering some more problematic reasons. The absurdity of calling this a legitimate reason to consider a cheater is immense and it's honestly so frustrating. You could do this with any player but is everybody cheating? No. Kramnik is greatly lacking anything convincing simply because he is not in a position to judge or help but he really wants to. Leave it to a statistician or a programmer to develop better mechanisms to catch cheaters
'i offered danya an opportunity to give me 50k, if he doesn't accept this generous offer I will call him a cheat non stop.'
Yeah it's just blackmailing basically. Classic online tactic if you want someone to do what you want; put them publicly on the spot, argument in a way that it's in the victims interest to cooperate and if they don't you lay down "evidence" in your favor so their reputation gets hit.
Danya is rated 2707, Kramnik is 2670. Danya is higher rated. So it means Danya has more chance to win 50k. If you think Kramnik wants Danya just to give 50k, then you don't believe in danya and also you think he might be cheating? It is just not logical.
Why won't he play him for free?
@masterthesis4645 Why would he? Some lunatic trashes your reputation publicly and you should give them the attention they're looking for. It's a much better idea to just ignore the crazy old man and not give him any credibility
Don't forget guys, kramnik has realised it's easy money to claim someone's a cheat and then play them. He's already tried doing this same trick to a kid, and is now so desperate that he's blackmailing famous GM's.
Kramnik is accusing Daniel that he cheats. Why Daniel has to prove to him that he is not ? Kramnik became chess police on his own. I wouldn’t even talk to him just from the way he behaves
Well.... I mean, if you consider rule abuse as cheating then what Danya is doing is objectively 100% cheating. They aren't even accusations, it's just factually what's happening
He does cheat. Even Danya would say that he shouldn't be allowed to inflate his rating like he has. If he won't defend it why would you?
@@Livinginwonderland77 even in the worst case scenario, thats not "cheating". if its not against the rules then its not cheating
@@Livinginwonderland77 What a post lol. So you begin with an unsubstantiated claim, you make a false attribution to a quote that was never said, and then you insinuate that any refusal to address the accusations (which have been addressed but you didn't know that, obviously) equates to an admission of guilt. The mental gymnastics required to even craft that reply must have required years of training.
Every only online player has to prove his skills offline.
Kramnik's part 2 is just 37 minutes of him being confused about Danya looking at different parts of the chessboard because I guess he thinks he has a tiny monitor and isn't sitting close to it.
Kramnik is right
@@TaniasUncle Watch part 3 and 4
@@Travv0 I watched 1-3 and there’s nothing there.
@@chessticulate"The Return of the Procedure"? 😂
Except he does have a tiny monitor on the laptop he's using. He also has a third monitor with Chessbase where he keeps looking.
Vladimir "I'm not accusing" "I'm not blackmailing" Kramnik
At this point, he is doing all he can to stay relevant and seek attention.
Nice rating you have there, Mr. Naroditsky. Would be such a shame for something to happen to it. We here at the Bratva Chess Bros offer a wonderful service to protect your reputation. A match with one of our Chess Integrity Officers for a small "fee" will keep you safe.
It's just special cyberbullying operation
Why doesn't Ben Finegold do this? He owns a chess center. He could be no. 1 in the world if he played enough 8 year olds.
He hasn’t owned a chess center for a while
Because he does not care and that's his charm.
Ben Finegold has class, unlike a certain radical Judaist Naroditsky
Danya has played Magnus hundreds of times, has met all the top players through his announcing. Playing an exhibition match against Kramnik isn’t some great opportunity.
It's also a trap because if he responded it means he's scared of kramniks investigation and actually gives some credibility
He also beat Fabi in an otb classical game
Danya is a cheater, he literally admitted to use the engine during a game talking about the engine evaluation. Wake up!!!
@@albertosapori5977 thats fake news, he pulled up an engine in a speedrun game that he considered already won that he was up a queen and a pawn in. He also wasnt using the engine on current moves but on moves at the beginning of the game to see how accurate both him and his opponent played at the start, which doesnt effect current board state at all. It was still wrong for him to pull up the engine early when his opponent hadn't yet surrendered and he issued a public apology, but he didn't cheat at all. He was using it for post game analysis, but his opponent refused to surrender like he thought they would.
@@davidsantiago7808 it's not fake news at all, there is a video in which he uses the engine to evaluate. He cheated, Kramnik is damn right about Danya cheating. Danya is not a 2700 player, he cheated a lot.
Kramnik can spent his 50k and visit Charlotte Chess Center several times.
Exactly... He can visit them and play, every and each tournament there... And show us, ho is better... Kramnik is just sad old man now
@@washa84 He literally declined an offer to play at the CCC lol.
@@washa84 Not farming 1400s is sad now? lol, lmao even
Kramnik had a little self W with the recent cheater being discovered, but aint no way is he getting away with accusing Danya.
If you accuse everyone of cheating of course some of them are gonna be true positives. It's not really impressive i think
@@azucarero_rojo a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up Alireza Firouzja's "farming" to get a handful of rating points to qualify for the recent candidates over Wesley So.
That tournament that was called "Alireza's Last Chance" 😂😂😂
Pretty sure the Chess Club have put some nonsense on towards the end of this year to get Fabi the FIDE Circuit place for the next cycle over Arjun and Abdusattorov
And actually this is worse because it gives you a chance at championship just by surpassing some elo threshold. On the other hand what danya did every club player can do .. just play much weaker players it is perfectly a lower. But for qualification per elo to championship I think it shouldn't be allowed
Hes better than wezley
Don't understand the hate against Alireza. He followed the rules. If you have problem with the rules, you should hate the org who made those rules. Hate the game, not the player.
Kramnik can accuse Hicky or whomever he wants but when he goes after my boy Danya we’ve got a problem…
Your Boy looks like a cheater who sees an engine to suggest Bc8
@@kramnikstudentc24🤣🤡🤡🤡
@@kramnikstudentc24600 rated players in the comments speculating on the strength and psychology of GMs lmao
@@kramnikstudentc24 When did he play Bc8?
@@dg1431check out another chapters kramniks videos
Maybe Danny just doesn't feel like he needs to prove himself to this maniac, or has personal reasons for not doing it. When a crazy girl calls 80 times in a row, you just don't answer.
Kramnik's offer is a bit of a lose-lose situation for Danya.
This is the thing that gets me. Kramnik was (and I suppose still is) a legendary player in the game. But in the context of following through on cheating, he's just some guy. He's not part of a chess organisation as far as I know, doesn't run a chess site, doesn't even organise tournaments or anything. He's just a guy who's going around making accusations at players and getting constant publicity and opportunities he wouldn't normally get because of his existing status in the chess world.
Nobody has any responsibility to play a match with Kramnik to prove anything, and as you said the most responsible thing to do when a crazy person is coming after you is cut them off, not feed into their delusions.
"I'm not being investigated, yet.."
I would love to see that lol
I get explaining why the rating SYSTEM makes no sense, and pointing out how it can be exploited. However, Kramnik does alot of implying and suggesting that Danya is doing something nefarious. That is what i hate about Kramnik. Sure point out flaws in the system -- no system is perfect -- but Don't imply some malicious intent to all these players. Kramnik seems to have his ego aligned with ELO, and assumes everyone else does as well. That seems like an Kramnik (or Russian?) issue... i wish he'd explain the actual issue with the system better without personal attacks.
this 400 rule totally incentivizes farming. If you're not doing it, you're working 10 times harder to maintain the same rating
It existed for ages though before FIDE changed it, now they reverted it. Just saying this was a hot topic for years so nothing new under the sun
Danya gained 3 rating points in total in one of those tournaments - it is so ineffective, it is hard to call it farming, especially if they have to travel to locations.
I'm pretty sure he is strong enough to farm 200 elo points lower rated players with much faster gains.
P.S. "to maintain the same rating" the best strategy is to not play at all ;)
This farming is not very realistic. You gain 0.8 per game. Whos gonna travel and spend money and time to go to an amateur tournament and gain 8 rating points for a perfect 10/10 score?
The Danya/Bortinik case is a very specific situation, because the tournaments are organized by their employer and they probably are incentivized to play.
@@armandsarmands eh I know an Icelandic GM that reached 2700 blitz while being roughly 2550 fide by farming local blitz tournaments, this was roughly 5-6 years ago.
@juyifan7933 if you need rating to get a title and already have the norms its worth jt
Can we talk about how one of his browser tabs is a “find your chakra” test 🤣
😂😂😂
For real? LMAO!
That explains so muchhhhh
Sure, we can talk about it 🙂
Checks out with all the Kramniks paranoia
My favorite part is in the first video he has a tab on his browser called chakra tests. No wonder he does not understand his tests are bunk.
Time stamp?
13:27 maybe this "Chakra Test: Do You Have Chakra Balance?"
that almost makes me think this whole thing is an elaborate troll
I think Danya & Bortnyk play those Charlotte events because they want to put Charlotte on the map. Its not their fault that they are the only two strong GMs that live in that area, but I think they are trying to really make it a springboard for the young players of Charlotte.
We actually have 4 local grandmasters out here. I play at the club every week and I’ve also played bortnyk and Daniel
The volume on your audio interface is a tiny bit too high for the XLR mic. Turn it down a bit and its perfect!
I’ll play around with it thank you
@@chessbrah No problem
That tweet is phrased like some type of blackmail ultimatum, so good on Danya for ignoring it. Agreeing to the match could be perceived as fearing Kramnik releasing the data.
Basically, he is seeking attention, Daniel didn't give him any, so now he is trying more desperate methods.
He mentions it, because his whole argument is leveraging performance rating and predicted match outcome in conditional probabilities, e.g. 2800 PFR can happen once (p=3%), but unlikely 5 times in a row (3% pow5). The premise behind this is that 1. The ratings are accurate & 2. the underlying rating system is good predictor of win probabilities. His math makes more sense if he can argue that Fide blitz doesnt reflect his actual elo playing strength. The general problem here is that elo is a measure of all games ever played and performance itself is fluctuating by a fair bit.
Good points. Assuming independence between successive matches is also seriously questionable from a statistical point of view.
When will Kramnik learn that Danya is not taking the challenge because Danya doesn't see the point in doing such.
50k isnt such a bad reason
@@egads3696 you know kramnik is gonna cry in the end and will not pay.
@@mohammedshoaib1774 - the $$ should be paid to a third party prior to starting ….
@@egads3696 I think money sometimes isn't all that matters, if Danya wins, he gets money everyone is happy. But if Kramnik draws or just barely wins. Kramnik will have so much exposure and him calling out opponents on titled tuesday would be so much more annoying because it will be taken more seriously.
We all know K won’t accept the end result anyway. Can’t reason with krazy.
you're not a farmer when a crop just happens to grow on your backyard
These are all free blitz side events for the major tournaments in Charlotte. Having Danya and Bortnyk there attracts others to play. Nothing nefarious here, it’s marketing for the Charlotte Chess Club. Sounds like Kramnik has an issue with the rating system, not Danya and Bortnyk.
Yep. A quick glance at the Charlotte Chess Club site makes it pretty obvious what's going on. They are resident coaches. The farming is an unfortunate side effect, but this is what happens when coaches go into events with their students, but then it's for the students benefit with the opportunity.
Having Danya and Bortnyk participate in the tournaments is also a draw for CCC so it's really a no-brainer.
Not Danya and Bortnyk, but Danya and Olexandr or Naroditsky and Bortnyk
Danya is his nickname. It'd actually be Daniel if we go by first name. But yeah, he's famously just Danya.
Kramnik could have done this without the whole 50k match ego thing. He could have just presented the concerns right away if his motivation is to stop cheating.
The part about rating farming lower rated players, while definitely a valid complaint, is not totally fair.
First of all, you attract a lot of players by offering to play in your own events who might not show up if it weren't for the opportunity to play a 2600+ GM. At my club, we had mostly U/1400 players but we had one student (currently a NM) who broke that barrier and was approaching the instructors (1.9-2k) in rating, and he wouldn't show up for tournaments unless at least one of us was able to play him a game. I would imagine similarly there is little reason for higher rated players to show up to a club they outperform and having GMs competing gives quite a boost to the club.
Secondly from my experience as a TO at a club, my rating fluctuated at 1900-2000 for 2 years because my boss kept insisting that I play the field when they needed an extra game, and as a very aggressive player at the time a random draw to a 1300 would suck 30-40 points off my rating (the 400 point rule wasn't around then I think), and I didn't have much time to travel and compete when I was teaching weekends there. Certainly if you're heads and shoulders above the field, and have the experience of a GM you have much better chances of winning 100 games out of 100, but it's certainly not without its risks, and the 400 point rule honestly helps address those risks.
If you wanted to address the issue of "farming lower rated players", there are many good ideas for rules to implement, but it's difficult to avoid perverse incentives. I don't think the Bortnyks or Danya were engaged in such incentives, I would guess it was more along the lines of "hey here's this cool way we can promote our club and get some small benefit from it" which appears to be the simplest explanation as well, but I don't know them personally and could certainly be wrong.
Kramnik has a very good point here, actually. This rule doesn't make a lot of sense. But him choosing Naroditsky and Bortnik doesn't look good, as the lads participate in a local club only, they don't really go farming outside. If they did though, it would have been much more serious of a case.
Anyhow, a very interesting reaction video, thank you, Chessbrah.
I mean Danya himself said the rule is very foolish on stream. Playing at a local chess club feels pretty valid, since traveling incurs expenses for travel/accomodation/food
@@ryanpendlebury967 Exactly. I don't think there was any ill intent from them both. I f they had one, they would roam the country for low-level events, which they don't.
I don't believe Danya doesn't play at 2700 strength. I think there's too much evidence refuting that. I do take issue with Bortnik and Danya drawing a lot... then only playing against weaker players... I would blanket label that as "farming rating".
Yeah im with danya, its more of a fide problem than Danya that he played lower rated opponents.
Kramnik is completely right about Danya. Danya is more popular though so his fanboys will defend him.
What Danya and Bortnyk have been doing is wrong.
Morphy, Fischer…
I used to wonder who the next crazy ex world chess champion would be, and it was fun when I had no idea; but now that I see the answer it’s really not that much fun.
Was Morphy crazy? All I've heard is he stopped playing to become a lawyer.
I think Kramnik views respect as a zero sum game. The more respect is given to GMs of a different skillset than his the less respect there is for his legacy.
Kramnik calling what he does "investigation" reminds me of a time when I met an unemployed young man and I asked him what he did all day, and he said "researching", I was impressed and I asked him whether he was studying a PhD or a Masters, and he was confused, I later figured out that what he called "research" was just internet browsing.
LMAO😂
hey man, its harder than it sounds. and trying to research within the confines of a stuffy institutional bureaucracy is like trying to swim upstream with pants made out of concrete
I'm not defending Clownnik, but your analogy is kinda meh. Credentialism sucks, it's just a classist tool. People can do legit research without the privilege it takes to be within higher academia, and people can do legit investigations independently. Again, not saying that's what's happening here, just that although there are valid criticisms to be made of some people's efforts and qualifications in technical skills, credentialism is not a foundation for any such valid criticisms.
It’s not credentialism. He doesn’t need to have a data analysis degree if he were doing proper analysis. The criticism is that he is “investigating” in such a naïve, unsophisticated and fundamentally flawed manner that it is not helpful to actually call it investigation. Just like the guy who said he was researching was just surfing the web. Language is meaningful and helpful because words have relatively standard ways of conveying meaning. To call what he does being and “investigative process is misleading. An investigation starts with a question and appropriate information is gathered to reach a conclusion. He starts with a conclusion and then gathers information(regardless of appropriateness) to confirm it.
@@user-wu7ug4ly3v I totally agree about the criticism of Kramnik, especially now that you've elaborated on how exactly you mean by that. I more meant to target my nitpick at the analogy side with the dude doing research -- and once again, I'm not saying they couldn't possibly have been doing it crappily and misusing the term, I'm just saying not being associated with a higher ed program isn't a sound argument for that conclusion (which is the implied argument I understood from your OP). Sorry if I conveyed my point poorly before
38:09 "Then there was deflation during covid" never thought I'd hear that sentence.
In general I think this is 100% a FIDE issue that needs to be addressed.
Now that the World Rapid & Blitz Championship will be in New York this year, I hope we will see a couple of people that are usually absent because of having to travel overseas such as Naroditsky, Bortnyk, So, Martinez... it's always a shame that some of these strong speed chess players are absent because of the travel distance and the timing (Christmas season)
Narodistky had no problem travelling with chesscom travelling to Paris. He is just lying
I almost feel like Kramnik just stirs this up to spur up chances to play chess for money.
Most likely
Bingo.
As someone who has played in the Charlotte Chess Center, it's just a place to celebrate and promote chess. It's one of the most wholesome communities I've experienced. I showed some people a cool 2. Ne2 line against Caro-Kann and they were so excited to learn! I understand the criticisms that Kramnik is trying to make here, but the problem is with the way FIDE calculates elo, not with Danya. There are entire events dedicated to grind GM norms, Danya's not the villain here.
Very true. I will also say that Kramnik's accusations are unproveable since he has made the claim of "ghost cheating" going on, which is cheating one or two moves a game. That cannot be detected IMO with ordinary techniques. A strong master only needs one or two such hints at critical points to win. So what's the solution? Do as Epic Games does in Fortnite and other video games: require players to install a TSR program to detect what programs are running on your machine when you play online. If Fritz/Stockfish is detected, you are disqualified. This happened once in online chess with the "Internet Chess Club" but it was not popular due to invasion of privacy concerns but might need to be re-introduced.
Ref: Fide blitz rating. It actually counts for something money wise if they can farm it up above 2750, because itll give them free hotels and travel to NYC WRB this christmas.
Danya playing in-house tournaments is completely normal if chess works the same as other individual sports. I'm a foil fencer/coach and I routinely participate in our open in-house tournaments (We have separate events for Y14, Y12, C&Under etc, -- which is sort of like U2000 in chess). The refs are all externally hired etc., but I always fence in the open event because it's a great experience for the students. You get better by participating against strong opponents in match conditions with medals on the line.
The 400 elo rule is a FIDE problem that they have to fix. My impression at the start was that Danya traveled to tournaments to farm rating, which would be sus. The only fencing tournaments I travel to, for example, are national events. But playing in your own club's in-house tournament so that your students get a chance to face a strong grandmaster OTB is just fine.
FIDE makes assinine decisions. I don't understand the logic behind having this delicate rating system where the Elo difference is meant to represent win probability, and then just saying "nahhhh F that, >400 = 400".. It's just so stupid and a waste of the mathematical formula.
It really makes no sense regardless of the who and where.
because you are not smart enough, just like kramnik
Not to take sides, but I think Kramnik was told, after sharing his concerns, that they are Top Blitz Players because of their high Fide Ratings, and he wanted to take this argument away. That way it makes sense to me.
Kramnik: Cheating is a big problem in chess. My solution? Accuse the players who AREN'T cheating of cheating. I am very smart.
I mean.. If you consider abusing rules to gain rating cheating then Danya is 100% objectively cheating. Danya himself might mean no harm by it but it's also true his rating is artificially inflated by farming low rated players. My guess Is Danya would even admit to that an say its BS that he xan do that... so why are you defending it?
@@Livinginwonderland77 There are entire events organised so that a single GM can grind norms or qualify, nobody considers it against the rules.
@@Livinginwonderland77do you know what cheating is ??
@@Livinginwonderland77 Bro you should probably look up cheating in the dictionary
@@Livinginwonderland77 You're confused.
Catching Cheaters ft. DJ Kramnik (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL)
Oh please. Danya is purer than the driven snow.
I got into watching chess streaming because of Naroditsky. I was watching a lot of Magnus playing one minute games and there was only one person, Rebecca Harris, who was actually giving Magnus a hard time. For me that is prove enough that he is the real deal. You can't fake one minute games, unless you let the program make the moves... but that seems a bit too far fetched.
Nobody with any credibility is questioning Danya. The guy is rock solid, on and off the chess board. Laughable actually
@@Jefferson-ly5qe why does he not compete?
@@kimborampage why did magnus give up the world champion title?
@@vibesverily I’m not accusing, I’m just asking. Magnus hasn’t given a consistent answer as to why.
@@kimborampage Danya has spoken about his struggles with anxiety during OTB matches. I can relate, I don't like to play live games of poker because the nerves get to me so bad that it negatively impacts my game. Online, it's a different story. But nobody gives me a hard time on X if I go play in-person and bomb. I don't have thousands of eyes looking at my every mistake. So I can definitely understand anxiety being a big reason to avoid live play.
A series where Eric grinds hard enough to get challenged for cheating by kramnik would be amazing.
Kramnik is trying to get a freeroll for 50k. If he loses he will find an excuse to not pay.
Definitely. Also he would accuse him of cheating anyway:D
Of all the people to accuse of cheating, it's not gonna be Danya
Not taking anyones side, but just a legit question: how does danya perform against strong players like magnus hikaru firouja etc OTB?
Im asking because according to kramnik research, if those documents are true, he just been farming 2000s and never plays someone strong, so his strength is not really 2700
Kramnik clearly hasn't watched a Danya speed run
In other news, Pillow guy is suing Kramnik for using his trademarked phrase "I have all the evidence, any day now".
Interesting that no one calls Kramnik out on his bullshit. For example, he bases a lot of his statements on TT, which is 3+1, but then wants the matches to prove his point to be 3+2. Make it make sense.
I agree the format should be the same. After all why kramnik cares? If he claims they cheat why does it matter for him? He should play excat same format (nardoitsky I assume is best in plus zero) so even this should be the format. If kramnik claims he is better he should prove it on the same format that they ( nardotisky) overperfrom
He's been called out (and dismissed every one of them) multiple times. Anyone impartially viewing the data understands that cheating in online chess is definitely an issue, but has long since concluded that what Kramnik is seeing are ghosts. Any actual cheating he may "discover" is simply a matter of a broken clock being right on rare occasion.
Off topic, I love how Kramnik uses "Chesscom" without the dot. Very Soviet of him.
I feel a bit nervous to agree with Kramik...
But if you're rated 2500 and beat a player rated 1500 I don't think you should get any gain in rating.. Is that crazy?
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but if FIDE puts a 400 ELO rule in place, it's not the players' fault for taking advantage of it when not doing so would present a clear disadvantage. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" kind of situation.
Kills the whole point of resorting to fide rating if people gain from far below their rating. Won't see that online.
My take is that Danya does not care about the rating, but is just playing chess at his local chess club. And these games just appear to be FIDE rated. Chance is that Danya is not checking the FIDE website for his rating, but only Kramnik is....
I think Danya actually talked about his reasons to quit OTB classical chess because of the mental strain it put on him when facing lower-rated opponents in open tournaments. Might have been on the c-squared podcast. As far as I remember he also highlighted how he always had to fight with the (irrational) fear, that him being relatively well-known in the community would also make a potential loss harder because it would become a topic on reddit.
Would not be surprised if this was part of the reason he prefers to play OTB Blitz in an environment that is more familiar and has less publicity. If he were to be after the rating points he would definitely be able to use his FIDE blitz rating way more as promotion. Then again there's no way to know his motivation. But the point of a fault in the ELO system does sound justified for sure.
At the establishment of the video, Brah knew he should split this into more than 1 video?
“Part 1”
😂
As an ex otb chess player Eric is spot on on this one - yes blitz rating farming is kinda iffy but its harmless at the end af the day, so who cares, there are many way more important issues in the chess world
Krammnik is just doing this to get somebody to play him. It's a good marketing ploy actually.
Danya's inactivity in OTB blitz meant he was underrated for a long time. Now that he's playing more, his rating is now commensurate with his skill level. Hope that helps, Kramnik.
The FIDE rating rule is questionable but it is what it is. The Charlotte events are clearly Monthly club events in which Bortnyk and Danya take part as leading players to give those lower players an opportunity to face them, and they are rated because those other players get a rating. His argument ignores the other players in these events.
I heard in Kramniks E-Cigarette there is a camera, and a chess engine, when he inhales the device gives him tipps
Could be the chess club likes to have them participate in those tournaments to attract players. I also saw dina belenkaya on this list. They might just invite streamers for this reason. And I mean I would fin it erally cool, if my local chess club invites Danya or whoever for regular tournaments, so I get the chance to play him once in my life. It's not said, that they are plaiying these tournaments to farm points. They might actually not care about the points. Either way, you can't blame those guys, you'd rather have to blame FIDE if anyone.
The reason they reinstated this rule, was that all the kids after covid were terribly underrated, even more than usual. I mean you could change that rule, that a rating can only be adjusted for calculation up to a certain point. Let's say 2000 or so. This way you would still have a lot less rating deflation in the system, but the farming wouldn't be possible like it is right now
Asking for morality in sports is not clever. There are rules and penalties for breaking the rules. If farming is possible it is up to the rulemaker to stop it or not. Don't complain just play.
Kramnik starts with defamation which is insulting. If Kramnik wants Danya to play, just 1) pay him whether he wins or loses, a 2) make it 30 second. I personally tink that Danya is one of the nicest guys in the chess world and doesn't deserve this headache.
I have seen this play out before. In Part III Kramnik is going to invade the Charlotte chess center!
Eric sped up Kramnik at the exact moment that I was about to do the same thing lol
I don’t understand why farming rating is so diabolical anyway. If you gain a lot of rating from farming and you get invited to a top level tournament. Either you do well because you really are that good or you get demolished because you’re not at that level. Can someone elaborate, please? Is it because you may get sponsorships without deserving them?
you get invited to specific tournaments and count as one of the big boys even though you might not be
Of course a Dr Funkenstein would not care about truth inherently
Surreal to me that Danya, who I believe has the most integrity among chess streamers (present company excepted) would be accused of cheating.
Lance Armstrong was also the innocent golden boy until it turned he was a horrible cheater. Looks can be deceiving. Never judge a book by its cover. The points Kramnik makes in parts 2 and 3 are interesting regarding his eye movements, suspicious moves, having a chess cheating extension built into his browser, and refusal to play against other top GMs in proctored events.
How do you know about his integrity? Not all his stories are true. What doesn't mean he cheated, of course
And how do you know about his integrity?
"Hey guys, im not blackmailing, all I'm saying is if you don't do what I want you to do, I'll publish everything I have on you"
Kramnik's logic is that someone who works at improving in blitz is suspicious for improving at blitz...
4 of his opponents were 2277 rating. thats making me think its match fixed and not just farming.
Me watching eric on 1.25x speed watching kramnik on 1.25x.speed
Eric finally addresses the “but ok” question
he clearly just wants attention...it's shockingly obvious by this point
The problem with all of this is that ELO rating is a statistical metric. One game, or even a small number of games, isn't sufficient to deduce whether someone's rating is correct.
The only reason I think Danya should accept this absurdity is to make Kramnik $50,000 poorer
Tbh, I'm tuning out to rewatch Danya's victory with black against Fabi. Superb game.
"People have bought titles and still advertising their fake levels"
Nemo 👀
FIDE could change the system to make farming more tedious, something like:
0.8 for ≥ 400 rating difference
0.4 for ≥ 600 rating difference
0.2 for ≥ 800 rating difference
0.1 for ≥ 1000 rating difference
Recognizable, famous players, or content creators playing these tournaments bring more attention to it and makes it more interesting. The tournament and the farmers are using each other, and the lower rated players love playing vs celebrities.
exactly, the only way to milk money out of this joke of a sport is to enable and protect cheaters until they become "celebrities"
Unlimited 400 rule makes it also so that on average you lose points to anyone who has slightly lower rating than you. You also gain rating when playing against slightly higher rated players. The 400 rule increases rating differences between skill levels. That of course also means that top players lose points when rule is limited because majority of players are lower rated who have enough numbers to maintain their rating while top players slowly lose points to lower rated players.
Removing the rule would be more healthy for rating system. Too bad people assume that ratings can be compared over different erase. Therefore any clear lowering of top ratings would be unacceptable.
I literally have kevin macleod's monkey spinning monkey playing in the background and it makes it 100 times funnier
Kramnik really is going full Bobby Fisher right now
Bobby Fischer was completely vindicated
He's going full Alex Jones at this point.
@@pavlos712 Vindicated. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Danya can just play a single tournament with top gm's and show his skills there, but he wont.
Is Kramnik lost it? Danya is one of the most honorable people ever. True tzadik
20:44 so what you're saying is.....Danya and Bortnyk are exploiting the system to farm easy points. So basically what Kramnik is stating 😂. Kramnik has a point.
I am not sure if Danya's position at the Charlotte club makes the challenge appropriate.
What is the difference in Danya's otb and online ratings?
Is there any good reason for this?
Why is Kramnik weaker when he plays on a computer vs when he plays OTB? Is there any good reason for this?
Yes. Kramnik learned to play chess OTB, and he's not as skilled with mouse movement compared to players that grew up with computers. And inversely, the current generation learned to play chess online, in game formats with short time controls that benefit quick and instinctual play over time-consuming calculation. As one would expect, the players tend to be stronger with the play style they are most familiar with.
Can you premove OTB?
Use your brain before asking lil bro
danya should flex on kramnik and play a blitz match against fabi and do reasonably well as he probably would do
Next up: glancing-above-your-screen-gate, get the popcorn out lads. And now Danya responded on Twitch, sad that he has to respond. No good way to argue you did NOT cheat, first there must be proper evidence that you DID cheat!
1:07 Kramnik's jumper gets brighter as you go deeper into the Matrix? Definitely raises a suspicion.
I look forward to the reactions to part 3. Bc8 is very interesting move :)
A very interesting move, that was only the 2nd strongest via a single engine at a particular depth setting, that wasn't even played during the game in question.
@@theKashConnoisseurexactly.
I am dubious for the simple reason that I don't think Danya cares about OTB anymore in a serious way. If he did, he'd be at the US Champs.
I see Eric Hansen, I click, I comment.
Well Danya and Bortnyk farming low rated kids most of them rated 1400-2000 once or twice a month. While always do draw between themselves. Those are pre organized tournaments. It is definitely not moral and have some etiquette issue.
It's the rules fault though, not the players fault. Daniel is the resident GM and head coach of the Charlotte Chess Club and they have open blitz tournaments; it would be a little ridiculous to expect him not to participate, and it gives players who enter the chance to play a GM OTB which might be a once in a lifetime opportunity for some people.
I’m glad this is a 3 part series… I’m fine with people having an inflated rating…. Do it all day…
Maybe the players are playing these events to play the top GMs.
But at the end of the day when the rubber hits the pavement… the truth will surface. Hikaru speaks highly of Danya and has still adopted him.
Blitz rating is only one measure of many to determine someone’s skill in chess.
Dayna should participate in the Blitz world chess championship in December in New York. There he could prove himself…
He will inject himself with Covid a week before. 😂
Anyone who disrespects Kramnik should think about what they would be doing if they were convinved someone is not legit. What else should he be doing than offer someone a match where he thinks that he is actually lower rated. Kramnik is doing the exact right thing. Following famous and popular people blindly is sheep behaviour (very bad).
"Following famous and popular people blindly is sheep behaviou" - But this is exactly what you're doing following Kramnik, Mr Sheep!
If I thought someone was cheating in a game I was playing, I'd just not play them anymore. Simple as. I wouldn't post about it on X, I wouldn't make a 5 part, multi-hour video series about it, I wouldn't challenge them to additional matches. I'd just ignore their existence.
@@AlRask-j3b No, I am a sceptic and argue. I am curious and dont follow the opiniins of popular people just because they are popular. Kramnik is not popular. And if he was talking nonsense, I would say it.
@@theKashConnoisseur But you are not a former world champ. Nobody would listen to you.
@@fh2234 Ah, but other former and current world champs agree with me don't they. What was Carlsen's response when he thought Hans was cheating OTB? That's right, he resigned and refused to play him.
I find it comforting to know that Kramnik stays up late combing through USCF tournament results online. He's a man on a mission. "This is a monster. Two-one-oh-five." 😂