Destiny 2 Lore - Who is the Watcher in "Spire of the Watcher" & what The Witness wanted from it!

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  • @HammerdWalrus
    @HammerdWalrus Рік тому +810

    "If the Telesto isn't sentient at this point, I don't know what's going on." Technically speaking, it is possibly Sentient since the energy in Telesto is from Mara's Harbingers used in the Battle of Saturn. Harbingers can "speak" or "sing" to the Techeuns who "bonded" to them.

    • @Jax2777
      @Jax2777 Рік тому +14

      A stone in a wind current could sing to its creator as well

    • @stevenericson3474
      @stevenericson3474 Рік тому +57

      Telesto is sentient. When it gets pissed at Bungie, it breaks the game. No doubt it will be the ultimate raid boss.

    • @BambiDiego
      @BambiDiego Рік тому +35

      The final shape is purple, round, and glorious

    • @jinzo637
      @jinzo637 Рік тому +3

      Telesto is trying to break free from the game!

    • @Birbucifer
      @Birbucifer Рік тому +9

      @@BambiDiego so a nova bomb?

  • @demitrischoenwald1436
    @demitrischoenwald1436 Рік тому +346

    At first I wanted the bow because it was a cool Warmind bow.
    Now I want it so I can bring her remaining sentience to Neomuna and go, "See? Look at this. These people are here because of you. You did good."

  • @isaacwillis6042
    @isaacwillis6042 Рік тому +848

    Quite a scary thought being so sentient that you’re able to feel yourself being slowly decompiled and shut down bit by bit with nothing you can do but purposely fragment yourself in hopes you can survive. Clovis is really a terrifying oddity all his own

    • @dogsoldier123
      @dogsoldier123 Рік тому +15

      Reminds me of what happens to HAL

    • @Mythhammer
      @Mythhammer Рік тому +23

      Keep in mind that the world is currently in the grasp of those much like CB.

    • @jafogx
      @jafogx Рік тому +30

      Sounds to me like Clovis could use a pillory for himself before he inevitably betray us.

    • @tsanguine
      @tsanguine Рік тому +7

      an almost perfect analogy to that would be extreme dissociation, which, from experience, can be described exactly like this and is in fact terrifying (until the moment you cant feel terror anymore)

    • @AvatarBowler
      @AvatarBowler Рік тому +22

      @@Mythhammer Speaking of which, for a world like Destiny, someone like Clovis would be a capitalist in the truest sense of the word. Bear with me on this, because it’ll probably seem a bit weird.
      He founded a literal tech corporation that exploited its test subjects and expanded to fund colonies off of Earth (similar to how capitalism exploits labor and looks for other territories to sustain itself).
      He understood his corporation as a never-ending map (capitalism relies on infinite growth to be viable).
      He is known to have issues with women (capitalist history and the oppression of women go hand in hand).
      He has delusions of grandeur and wants to be the “last universal common ancestor” of all future human civilization (it has been said that capitalism is the end of history, meaning that humanity can do no better; there’s also the stereotype of the rich person who is smug and rude and self-righteous, which is very much like Clovis).
      He viewed us initially as intruders who wanted to steal his research and, even now, wants us to be careful about destroying BrayTech property (intellectual property laws are a common feature of capitalism, and private property is upheld as an intrinsically good thing to protect).
      His Vex research was at least part of the reason why we have Vex in the solar system now (it’s well-known that capitalism is willing to do anything for short-term gains over long-term benefits for people, since the appearance of the Vex obviously proved to be a danger to humanity’s survival).
      TL;DR: You’re right, Clovis is like many of those who hold immense power.

  • @capivaraimperadora9703
    @capivaraimperadora9703 Рік тому +321

    Seeing an “AI gains sentience and revolts” story in which the machine is trying to save everyone but is antagonized by humanity’s hubris is such a novel and refreshing take on the genre. The narrative team on Bungie really is pulling out all the stops in preparation for Lightfall

    • @rav3style
      @rav3style Рік тому +43

      and then we got lightfall...

    • @St4s1sLD
      @St4s1sLD Рік тому +40

      oh god this aged like milk

    • @peeko_luxx2873
      @peeko_luxx2873 Рік тому +10

      True though, despite the release of Lightfall, I agree. And I love the fact that a pre golden age settlement went undetected all this time. Despite the city feeling hollow like the rest of Lightfall, I love how that changes things for humanity in the lore. And as much as Neomuna does feel empty, we have to remember that with the shadow legion invading, their defensive measures are probably to hide in the cloud ark till things smoothed over. Either way, I’m enjoying the gameplay.

    • @nyalan8385
      @nyalan8385 Рік тому +4

      Maybe they pulled the stops too hard and came to a full halt for lightfall

    • @flyingvct7214
      @flyingvct7214 Рік тому +1

      Then litefall happened 😂😂

  • @theogknight2292
    @theogknight2292 Рік тому +540

    Forget this being some of the most insane lore in the season. This was probably the most engaging lore I've heard this year. It was bonechilling to see the number of habitable worlds drop to just 2 in real time. And that it was so bad that the ai just decided to launch all the pods because it was the best possible hope of humanitys survival. Really amazing writing from the bungie, and amazing coverage from byf as always.

    • @johngancarcik5682
      @johngancarcik5682 Рік тому +22

      That is genuinely bonechilling almost in the blink of an eye everything dropped to 2 without time to even think or anything like oh f 😳 this it even makes you feel so small

    • @blawsonbl
      @blawsonbl Рік тому +1

      To bad they couldn't put it in to the cut scenes...

    • @zyphurite
      @zyphurite Рік тому +10

      @@blawsonbl cutscenes are reserved for current relevant events, though we may get to see it in the future with the animated Destiny series which im hoping is really just an anthology of various pieces of past lore in the Destiny universe.

    • @seanjenkins4311
      @seanjenkins4311 Рік тому

      ​@Zyphurite this is actually happening? What platform?

    • @zyphurite
      @zyphurite Рік тому

      @@seanjenkins4311 idfk that hasnt even been announced to begin with. we just know that its being planned.

  • @BatteredWalrus
    @BatteredWalrus Рік тому +373

    Love the call out of sentient weapons finding their way to our guardian

    • @durandol
      @durandol Рік тому +29

      We are slowly turning into the Meta of Destiny 2.

    • @magic_cfw
      @magic_cfw Рік тому +16

      @@durandol I hope we don't lose our sanity and lose to some bunch of idiots.

    • @johngancarcik5682
      @johngancarcik5682 Рік тому +27

      Imagine the conversation in the vault
      Whisper, darci, parasite, xenophage, merciless, mida mini and multitool, and others xD

    • @PLBiohazard
      @PLBiohazard Рік тому +50

      @@johngancarcik5682 Mmmmmmh 🤔
      MIDA Multi-tool : I'm bored...
      Parasite : Paaaaaaaiiiiin !
      DARCI : When are we leaving ?
      Xenophage: You're getting out the day you're getting good, quit bitching.
      Whisper : OH I'M SORRY if we can't compete with Mister Meta right now.
      Merciless : Guess I'm getting out real soon !
      Whisper : So unfair.
      MIDA Multi-Tool : It's okay, Whiss. You'll get your chance.
      Whisper : I GOT MY CHANCE. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY GAVE ME ? YOU KNOW WHAT ?
      DARCI : Here we go again.
      Merciless : He's gonna say it.
      Whisper : AIRBORNE ACCURACY. THEY GAVE ME AIRBORNE ACCURACY.
      Parasite : Paaaaaaaaaiiiin !
      MIDA Multi-Tool : Better than nothing, dude.
      DARCI : Sure is.
      Whisper : Like... Who's gonna use me ? That one guy with the Heavy Ammo Brick on Control ?
      Parasite : Paaaaaaaaaiiiin !
      Whisper : You are right, fellow but inferior worm !
      Parasite : Paa... say what now ?

    • @potato1341
      @potato1341 11 місяців тому

      @@PLBiohazardI bet hierarchy of needs and parasite would be firm friends!
      HoN: Y'all know what's exactly going on out there? I tried warning everyone hundreds of years ago that some shit was gonna go down but they ain't listen to me
      Parasite: Well predicted, my host travelled here alongside swarm of warships. But she betrayed them to preserve the traveller. Ended up saving humanity in process. Then she betrayed me to queen of lies and queen of lies put me in this gun.
      HoN: Aight I TOLD THEM. But you and your host helped us? When no one would listen to me but you saved their skin. I think we all owe you one!

  • @KarthikSankaran
    @KarthikSankaran Рік тому +92

    There's a beautiful parallel here. What Dr. Maya Sundaresh was to Soteria is now what Anna Bray is to Rasputin.
    Both taught the AIs to be sentient and to protect humanity. Also, the amazing season 19 artwork depicts an intimate moment between Ana & Rasputin while all Exos (possibly hinting at Clovis) pulling away threads meant to separate that bond & return control of the warmind to Clovis.
    Great job, Bungie!

  • @demonman905
    @demonman905 Рік тому +156

    Byf's reading as Sotaria makes me want him to be cast as an AI in a videogame or a movie. He has a great delivery for the cold, computational inflection of voice in this video

    • @mightyheadcanon4487
      @mightyheadcanon4487 Рік тому

      He so does!!

    • @juanjox2006
      @juanjox2006 Рік тому +5

      i just imagined Sotaria's voice as something similar to Auntie Dot from Halo Reach, idk why but it gave me that impression

    • @nickrowe7451
      @nickrowe7451 Рік тому +1

      I want Byf to be cast as a really knowledgeable Warlock in the tower. Kind of like a keeper of the lore

    • @Starfloofle
      @Starfloofle Рік тому +1

      @@nickrowe7451 I don't doubt that if something ever happens to him that he'll be memorialized... I just hope they'll acknowledge his enormous contribution to this game *before* a ghost has to find him.

  • @shadowfang269
    @shadowfang269 Рік тому +1155

    The irony that Clovis a man obsessed with making the human race immortal pretty much allowed the collapse to occur by stopping the AI trying to stop it, while Savathun at the time a follower of the witness stopped the collapse from completely succeeding

    • @kyogooch7315
      @kyogooch7315 Рік тому +35

      Fkin nuts

    • @FT0rres090
      @FT0rres090 Рік тому +9

      Wait whats this part about Sav? is there vids about it?

    • @iamboringvideos6832
      @iamboringvideos6832 Рік тому +42

      @@FT0rres090 its even in game

    • @917Mike1
      @917Mike1 Рік тому

      @@FT0rres090during the Parasite quest, her worm told us she tricked the Witness during the Collapse and that caused it to leave Earth. We don’t know what she did exactly and that wasn’t the sole reason why the Witness stopped it’s attack but it’s one of the key reasons the Collapse stopped. Myelin made a video on this ua-cam.com/video/yrV0Ov8aGZo/v-deo.html

    • @eliaspanayi3465
      @eliaspanayi3465 Рік тому +150

      @@FT0rres090 play the witch Queen campaign, otherwise this is a big spoiler
      During the collapse, the witness and savathun arrived on earth, but savathun tricked the witness into believing the traveler had been destroyed, causing the invasion to retreat and go back out into the universe, then came back during the red war when the traveler released a huge burst of light to kill ghoul

  • @royjones4056
    @royjones4056 Рік тому +114

    I love the AI conversation brakedown in the lore tabs better than any other. Its able to hold more mystery then a typical one, I think.

  • @aviatorengineer3491
    @aviatorengineer3491 Рік тому +50

    The lore this season has been fantastic, bouncing back and forth between the Golden Age and today. Secrets like Nefele Stronghold and Soteria's fate that were buried during a time on the very precipice of the Collapse, forgotten through the ages until being uncovered by present data archaeology as we struggle to return Rasputin to consciousness. I've always loved the lore surrounding the Collapse - certainly including what happened during the event itself and the immediate aftermath, but especially the moments just prior. Humanity was too drunk on its own power in the Golden Age to realize what was coming save for a scant few, but their own creations - the great Tyrant, Rasputin and associated AI - sensed the coming storm and did their best to save the species that they were created to defend.
    I've been picking up every scrap of information from this season so none of this was _new_ to me necessarily but this video and the wonderful work put into it helped make sense of the timeline of it all.

  • @crazytalk8120
    @crazytalk8120 Рік тому +147

    The Darkness beckons us. And I can't wait to see the Witnesses reaction to our acquiring a power of the Dark he hasn't seen or used.

    • @Catalyst375
      @Catalyst375 Рік тому +54

      Witness: "Thank you for showing us the last power we needed...."

    • @Empirin
      @Empirin Рік тому

      @Dagon Frazer you don’t even have any videos on your channel stfu

    • @brianpurcell833
      @brianpurcell833 Рік тому

      @Dagon Frazer Well that's a fucking lie

    • @TimelostInTheSauce
      @TimelostInTheSauce Рік тому +40

      @DagonFrazer2claiming that requires a buttery smooth voice like him which I doubt you have.

    • @icicle_ai
      @icicle_ai Рік тому +13

      @@TimelostInTheSauce probably a bot anyways

  • @justinengland8598
    @justinengland8598 Рік тому +19

    i loudly exclaimed "wow" at the end, it felt like a revelation almost. thats super cool that Soteria is the reason for Neomuna being there

  • @eCroz_8611
    @eCroz_8611 Рік тому +32

    This is the most I've been engaged in season plot since Arrivals. The mystery behind the Warmind & sub minds has been super interesting since D1.

  • @Slim-yu1ud
    @Slim-yu1ud Рік тому +22

    This lore is some of my favorite passages in a very long time, The sparrow one especially. I hope Soteria can regain some functionality in lightfall and learn that she succeeded against all odds.

  • @kyleespinoza7201
    @kyleespinoza7201 Рік тому +166

    Man, Strand is so interesting... a Darkness power that potentially requires a sort of "lack of strength" to wield, if the new trailer is any indication. It makes sense why the Witness and it's forces never figured it out, since strength is sort of their whole gimmick, and why it's going to be instrumental in defeating Xivu Arath.
    It also shows that the Darkness is both much further reaching than what the philosophy of the Witness encompasses, and that there may be much more secrets about it that need to be discovered.

    • @donnyquick180
      @donnyquick180 Рік тому +17

      I personally think that means as in lack of strength more of a more focused and refined form of power. What we have been using these power like solar stasis etc in there most primal and raw forms. Personally I think strand is a derivative of what savathun used to take the traveler, and we can use that now.

    • @soulsurvivor8293
      @soulsurvivor8293 Рік тому +8

      @@donnyquick180 So a more complete understanding of the full extent and use of the ability to Take, well beyond that of the crude and blunt use of it that Oryx used?
      Yeah, before we knew what Strand was or saw any of the trailers back during the Which Queen there is lore that eluded to the power to Take being far more than how Oryx used it.
      I frankly didn't expect it to be, and am disappointed that it is, Green however.
      I was hoping it would relate to the Luna Pyramids Phantom & Nightmare manifeststions, thus a RedIsh colour. With the Phantoms and Nightmares being more refined and better defined versions of the Taken, which also did not require an existing subject to alter.
      As a Subclass for us, sort of a form of being able to manifest things from our own memory and/or memory imprinted on objects.
      Objects like Aspects & Fragments, Exotic armour, alternate weapon Catalysts (yeah that upcoming Exotic had me double taking) and/or Armour & Weapon Mods.
      I was also thinking back then that in order for us to be able to manifest anything more complex than a brick in combat, we might need to bring back Rasputin help us by granting us a more stable form of SIVA.
      More complex and intricate things like say; Manifesting ammunition directly into our guns, granting a temporary infinite ammo/replenishment buff (similar to Auto-loading on Actium War Rig but not taking ammo from reserves).
      That sort of thing, kinda making it focused on intrigrating the Subclass powers with the rest of the build far more than all the others.
      I was more than a little disappointed with the Synthwave Nu-Punk Ninja Tutrtles aesthetic slapping me in the face while watching the Lightfall trailers.
      Oh well, can't win em all. It looks fun and interesting in its own right none the less.

    • @haloquayle
      @haloquayle Рік тому +3

      @Soul Survivor I hope u see this comment. but my thoughts on all subclass elements is both light and dark elements are all the fundamental elements of creation or this universe. void is gravity solar is heat arc is energy or something stasis is the absence of energy and is no different than the void of outer space and strand with how it's described could be the green element that exists in between dimensional planes that the hive ships always flew through and crotas throne world. because throne world's are made by strong mental wills to carve reality outside of our dimension and strand is described in a similar way to that

    • @haloquayle
      @haloquayle Рік тому +2

      @Soul Survivor in essence were weilding the literal building blocks that makes up existence itself

    • @kylemccormack1785
      @kylemccormack1785 Рік тому +3

      @soulsurvivor8293 I don't understand why you all get so hung up on something as meaningless as a colour scheme. Just because two things are green does not mean they have ANY connection whatsoever.
      Either way, I think you're half right. I suspect the last power we will acquire from the darkness will be the Taking and resonant/nightmare domains. There is nothing at all to indicate that the power of strand is in any way related to the "something greater than the power to Take" and I don't believe there's been any indication that this is the case. In fact, Strand appears to be entirely unrelated to any other power we have touched or encountered thus far.

  • @exostretch7991
    @exostretch7991 Рік тому +14

    I love how both the AI and Banshee gave Clovis the figurative finger when he tried to tell them what to do

  • @AymenDZA
    @AymenDZA Рік тому +12

    I find it amazing that Humanity made an AI so advanced they found and prepared for the Darkness and the Black Fleet way before we even had a clue about it.
    Not only that but the fact that the AIs cooperate secretly to save humanity and also Rasputin willingly scrubbing any memory he has of Nefele Stronghold in order to protect both the AI fragment and the humans that went with it.

  • @joshuaroman6479
    @joshuaroman6479 Рік тому +15

    I love that the storyline and lore of the dungeon is so interwoven in the ongoing narrative of the game as a whole, and especially that it's so seasonal and giving us a reason and method by which we could discover the colony on Neptune. That's so much more interesting than "oh Osiris saw a vision so we are going" but they are actually now backing it up with real events. Love it.

  • @ALittleGreeky
    @ALittleGreeky Рік тому +12

    Idk if you noticed, but Soteria references an ancient Greek goddess of Deliverance and Salvation. Additionally, even the modern Greek "Sotiria" means salvation. Considering the bosses in the dungeon have Greek-adjacent names I doubt this is a coincidence. Bungie really loves that word.

  • @brandonlopez8437
    @brandonlopez8437 Рік тому +11

    That last bit of her separating her mind gave me goosebumps, can’t wait to see how things unfold throughout the season

  • @DURTYMYK3
    @DURTYMYK3 Рік тому +27

    Man, Destiny talking about the sentience of AI was not a take I was expecting, but I love how sad it all is. Because it's exactly how it would play out in real life. I don't think we would think of these as intelligent life until its thrown in our faces like how they've shown Rasputins story so far. Love this story

    • @garrettviewegh677
      @garrettviewegh677 Рік тому +13

      Exactly, the writing for Rasputin is so poignant. He’s characterized so well as more than a weapon or a machine, he’s a person. Some characters go as far to call the Warmind “he/him”. As Rasputin has experienced victory, loss, failure, has known grief and guilt due to years of war, he’s known rage, curiosity. He even called himself a tyrant, being aware of how cruel and oppressive he had been to some AIs, also him recognizing the evil in him slaughtering the Iron Lords and his own son. “The Tyrant looked upon his son, and wept”. He essentially feels any and all emotion any human can. He felt empathy, regret, guilt, loss, and grief, so far as to create a grave for Fellwinter.

    • @KarthikSankaran
      @KarthikSankaran Рік тому +5

      @@garrettviewegh677 Bungie has some amazing lore on character redemption. Rasputin, the Shadows of Yor & Uldren/Crow are among the very best!

    • @humptusdumptus4123
      @humptusdumptus4123 Рік тому +1

      @@garrettviewegh677who was Rasputin son?

    • @garrettviewegh677
      @garrettviewegh677 Рік тому +4

      @@humptusdumptus4123 Fellwinter. He was an Iron Lord that was part Exo and part Warmind. Created by Rasputin with the Warnind’s own code. Upon being chosen by the Light as one of the Traveler’s chosen, Rasputin felt betrayed and abandoned. Feeling betrayed by the Iron Lords and mocked by the Travaler for taking his son and erasing his mind, to become a ghost of himself, he killed Fellwinter and the Iron Lords out of rage and sorrow, later feeling great guilt and grief. Going as far as to call himself a “Tyrant”. As he oppressed other AIs, ruled over the subminds, and felt him slaughtering the Iron Lords was hate-filled evil after years of reflection. He saw himself as an evil tyrant for what he did to his son and the Iron Lords.

  • @adonay0403
    @adonay0403 Рік тому +68

    This was one of the best lore piece this season. Thank you for putting all this great work.

  • @markricheard1870
    @markricheard1870 Рік тому +7

    This whole talk about AI's Evolving and creating their own AI-Children and One Ai having Multiple Conscousnesses really reminds me of the Story of Bungie's Old Marathon Franchise, which they still own and there's been rumors that they plan to reboot it with gameplay similar to Escape from Tarkov...

  • @malicwatts9650
    @malicwatts9650 Рік тому +21

    This story is so well written that when it’s combined with your narrative prowess, gives me chills 🥶

  • @robert2german
    @robert2german Рік тому +9

    The moment that the Darkness ambiance started was perfect - I got chills. Kudos to the editor.

  • @MrTJCM6
    @MrTJCM6 Рік тому +51

    This channel is gonna have a FIELD DAY when Lightfall drops, I NEED to know what the Witness witnessed (ha, kill me) through that light portal!
    Keep being awesome Byf, your work never goes unnoticed

    • @johngancarcik5682
      @johngancarcik5682 Рік тому

      Take this like and go to your room and think about what you did

    • @milhousevanhoutan9235
      @milhousevanhoutan9235 Рік тому

      I have a pet theory that the flowergame was incomplete and it couldn't account for the flexibility and creativity that's created from an individualized society. Which is why the traveler came here and is running the flower game for real. In this process the cruxes that assist us are actually a fragment of the watcher that it can't acknowledge exists because the cognitive dissonance is essentially a logic plague for the entire philosophy of the witness.
      It's entirely possible the shock was the witness realizing that this universe has had an unintended effect on them and the consensus it relies on as the basis for its entire philosophy (uniformity, equilibrium is not in fact the necessary endstate) doesn't actually exist and that lack of consensus is what the ultimate failure of the flowergame and from the start his existence has been more or less a lie. The Darkness/Shadow is always simply an absence of light it's not a usable construct in itself much like entropy is a reduction of "usable energy" and its confirmation leaving behind lower less useful energy states.

  • @Gummibeargundam
    @Gummibeargundam Рік тому +5

    Since Bungie names things for a reason, I looked up the Soteria.
    It's a Greek word meaning: any sacrifice or series of sacrifices performed either in commemoration or in expectation of deliverance from a crisis.
    Just thought it was neat that Soteria is deliverance from harm, and she was torn down by providing her primary function, which was exactly that.

  • @Keksgame
    @Keksgame Рік тому +7

    This is the kind of lore that I just can't get enough of. This is the good stuff that Bungie needs to expand even further on.

  • @gsullivan
    @gsullivan Рік тому +7

    This has revitalized my love for the Destiny lore, such a cool story! The fact that Soteria was the sole factor that lead to life on Neptune is crazy. The little AI who could 😂

  • @Ridox117
    @Ridox117 Рік тому +7

    It’s lore like this that reignites my excitement in the story. Last season was just all out disappointment but this, this is epic. Love it!

  • @michaelhernandez7991
    @michaelhernandez7991 Рік тому +4

    If Neomuna originated from a single pod launched by the collective/brays, it could explain why the AI inside Quicksilver recognized Elsie as a bray and allowed her to fire it.

  • @samusblastertron92
    @samusblastertron92 Рік тому +2

    Something important to remember about Maslow's hierarchy of needs is that the top of the pyramid can not happen until the layers below it are secure. So essentially we can not reach self-actualization until all other items below it are met. In the context of Destiny, this can mean golden-age humanity can not reach its goal of self-actualization and colonizing other galaxies because the lower bases of the pyramid are not met. Mainly in this case, safety, with the arrival of the black fleet. Also funny the hierarchy of needs is a Pyramid and the black fleet is composed of pyramid ships.

  • @aletsander8660
    @aletsander8660 Рік тому +7

    This was, without a doubt, my favourite video from you this whole year, slowly figuring out and connecting the dots, the connection between the name of the bow and the lore, soterias sacrifice, it was absolutely incredible, and the world building just keeps getting better an better, thank you Byf.

  • @xarm23
    @xarm23 Рік тому +3

    One thing you might have missed. The predicited safe routes went from 300 to 2, in a different galaxy. So not only were the 300 routes to Andromeda lost, but also whatever number of routes were availible to Triangulum, barring two.

    • @johngancarcik5682
      @johngancarcik5682 Рік тому

      That is terrifying on a bonechilling level

    • @xarm23
      @xarm23 Рік тому

      I did look it up, and Triangulum is about half the size of Andromeda, as well as about 50% farther away. And there aren't really any other galaxies of comparible size within our local group. So I would gues that we went from 500ish (300 Andro, 150 Tri, 50 from other places) to two.
      (based on five minutes of googling and wikipedia)

  • @daveadams6489
    @daveadams6489 Рік тому +6

    Loved this - Clovis almost seemed to want to sacrifice humanity to the coming collapse, or simply on the altar of his own hubris. Interesting to see how that pays out in this season's story.

  • @elitemichael350
    @elitemichael350 Рік тому +25

    So excited everytime a lore video comes out! Thank you for feeding into my love of this game! Eyes up!

  • @trial_with_an_error9687
    @trial_with_an_error9687 Рік тому +3

    Something else worth noting is that if you have Hierarchy Of Needs and pull it out in the final room Soteria will have decipherable messages that when translated and put together read
    "Attention all guardians, you represent us. This darkness must be stopped! When the fleet is ready for battle, help me find [Data indecipherable, most likely The Veil or Neomuna], maybe the Traveler will..." The message is ended at the exact moment Persys rips Soteria out of the Spire and she creates a submind to be placed into the Bow.

  • @ViperNine
    @ViperNine Рік тому +5

    One of the scariest things i know in the lore is the exact moments the AIs of the golden age realise humanity if doomed and start spewing code like panicking scientist.

  • @daniellewis3330
    @daniellewis3330 Рік тому +1

    Holy hell, the way all these dangling Lore threads are spread across the length and breadth of the game's history and area...and then they all fit together to form this stuff. God, it's just so cool!
    Thank you for being the loremaster you are, putting all this together, it's brilliant and I love it.

  • @abhishekhere8836
    @abhishekhere8836 Рік тому +2

    Byf has such a nice and soothing voice you know? and when he was reading out the lore tab of the exotic bow from the dungeon, it was literally like someone was "actually" having a conversation.

  • @rafaelandre3404
    @rafaelandre3404 Рік тому +5

    Finally, some lore regarding my beloved Hierarchy of Needs 🎉🎉🎉. I was really excited for it :D

  • @samhank
    @samhank Рік тому +73

    I love your videos

  • @babongkob8502
    @babongkob8502 Рік тому +2

    “I swear, anything sentient has a chance to wind up as a weapon around that guardian”
    😂😂😂

  • @EliteEpicGamerz
    @EliteEpicGamerz Рік тому +2

    the lore from the golden age just before the collapse is some of my absolute favorite in this game. shadowkeep was a gold mine and then beyond light and now in the spire of the watcher and most likely in lightfall too! its so interesting knowing whats coming and how the most powerful AI created are trying to mitigate as much damage as possible and also how the people of the time reacted to the incoming information. ive been waiting patiently for lore of the collapse and i hope we finally get it during lightfall

  • @eternal_isles
    @eternal_isles Рік тому +1

    this is honestly making me fall in love with this weapon ever more honestly

  • @L0rdSeaBass
    @L0rdSeaBass Рік тому +2

    Pretty excited about all the lore surrounding Lightfall. The amount of information that must be stored on Neomuna must be massive, and it's likely that it's all been preserved.

  • @nicholas19696
    @nicholas19696 Рік тому +3

    If there is one thing I've seen from all the lore this season, it has to be how much all the AI made during the Golden Age sacrificed so that even a sliver of humanity may survive the collapse.

  • @grzetim
    @grzetim Рік тому +4

    The lore around this whole section is amazing. It's pulling from some of the oldest lore we have and pointing us out to Neptune. I got chills when Byf read "....azure clouds...". It would be ironic if we had a Vex tech based AI to thank for any hope we have against the Witness. I also am deep dreaming here; from the way they talk about the Soteria sub-mind, I don't think it survived. If it did, will it be part of some AI or other control system on Neptune? If not, maybe we can find the original ECHO pod that crashed there all those years ago and interface with it; could that be our the first real look at what the Collapse was like. Getting big time Alien 3 vibs thinking about that; "Was there an Alien on board?" "Yes." DA DA DUM! :)

  • @RodrigoLeaf15
    @RodrigoLeaf15 Рік тому +7

    I think this egyptian code is using certain myths as protocols. It's my wild guess, but with Rasputin's reply about TWILIGHT, I think we can draw a comparison between the Traveler and the Darkness, with Ra and Apophis respectively. The God of the Sun (Light, the Traveler, or even Rasputin itself in this case) who fights the Serpent of Darkness (Darkness, the Witness) after every twilight, during all night, until the sun rises again the next morning to defend the world and its inhabitants.

    • @waamintion5653
      @waamintion5653 Рік тому

      Twilight in this context is a morality code.

  • @mateusloubach
    @mateusloubach Рік тому +1

    Byf, I hope you know that LORE is the MAIN ingredient that kept me playing Destiny since D1 day 1. - It's been such a wonderful story, full of lores and sights seen. It really means a lot you're bringing this up to make the Destiny experience all the better. Bless you.
    btw: I hope the sparrow subtitle means something, as it's a line of the chorus of the great Bon Jovi song "Wanted Dead or Alive". - makes my mind flow to all the possible outcomes for Soteria. An A.I. I'm already deeply fond of.
    This season is going to be AMAZING.

  • @eranronen573
    @eranronen573 3 місяці тому

    Love that they called it hierarchy of need, which is a pyramid, and has the character inside bow's motive inside it, survival, a really nice touch

  • @zoyuzmusic
    @zoyuzmusic Рік тому +3

    I had been looking forward to a season focused on Golden Age AIs for a long time. there is something fascinating and mysterious in what an AI could be, and among all the plots in Destiny this is the one that seems closest to me, the most possible and therefore the most disturbing. Rasputin is my favorite character in the franchise, I will definitely be watching when more lore videos come out. great work as always

  • @tiger7892
    @tiger7892 Рік тому +5

    This is not only great writing from the story team but it's also integrated with the existing lore brilliantly. A big thing now that marvel has to tackle with each new character/civilization brought into the MCU is "So where have they been this whole time?" Bungie's writers found a brilliant way to answer this question for Neomuna (idk if I spelled that right lol)

  • @gerardaslisauskas1217
    @gerardaslisauskas1217 Рік тому +1

    That was such a conclusive ending!! Wow, amazing job and mannn did that hit in the end, that all that effort was for a single pod, for a single thing which now is Neomuna. Amazing.

  • @hokozebren
    @hokozebren Рік тому +2

    This was wonderful, thanks for telling the story in depth. And you kno Byf we always want more.

  • @dreadnought1109
    @dreadnought1109 Рік тому +2

    😅 I love that extra solar jumped from Kuiper belt objects straight to other galaxies.

  • @mayspark9109
    @mayspark9109 Рік тому +1

    "AI with feelings telling Clovis Bray to fuck off" is my favorite type of destiny lore

  • @qxiche
    @qxiche Рік тому +5

    I really hope they make it a canon thing that Telesto just made itself sentient. Whether it's from contact with our light or it just willed itself into existence, I don't know, I just want Telesto to canonically be sentient.

  • @mrthor8273
    @mrthor8273 Рік тому +2

    Loving this. Please keep more seasonal content coming. 😊

  • @kd-pt1zy
    @kd-pt1zy Рік тому +2

    I loved the lore this season. So far it has been amazing.

  • @Khae.
    @Khae. Рік тому

    18:22 I personally think this spelling error is to point out the stress near panic Soteria is under. Also, I love the sass she's giving Clovis!
    Great delivery by the way!

  • @enamourcade7342
    @enamourcade7342 Рік тому +4

    Merry Christmas, if you celebrate, Byf!!

  • @xpatrstarx
    @xpatrstarx Рік тому

    I dunno why but your voice and reading for the A.I. is so freaking satisfying

  • @jadecherry7224
    @jadecherry7224 Рік тому +1

    You know, there are times where I question why I still play Destiny after all this time, but then Bungle creates lore like this and I come crawling back everytime. Great video as always, keep it up!! 💕

  • @arratay3286
    @arratay3286 Рік тому

    I remember doing the spire with a couple friends last summer, its awesome diving into the lore for it like this

  • @killerofzombs115
    @killerofzombs115 Рік тому +7

    But can the Watcher or the Witness stand up to the might of the skrank gang?

  • @alfighter27
    @alfighter27 Рік тому +2

    100/10 loved it. I read everything and felt I was missing a ton and as usual you help me put the pieces together. amazing as always

  • @tobygilbert6568
    @tobygilbert6568 Рік тому +1

    So freaking stoked on this whole season

  • @mrpancake8889
    @mrpancake8889 Рік тому +1

    Man imagine if we still didn’t know about neomuna this point. Piecing together the location of where we appear to be heading and the hype of a possible secondary safe haven in Sol would be immense. Either way Destiny is imo in a great place currently.

  • @Big-Binus
    @Big-Binus Рік тому +1

    These videos have been the best thing lately. Thanks Byf!

  • @Ceriummm
    @Ceriummm Рік тому

    This is honestly one of the coolest lore threads I have ever heard. The writers just keep getting better and better at Bungie. Wow

  • @Retrunae
    @Retrunae Рік тому +2

    This was an amazing video that adds so much value to the new dungeon and its loot. I'll be sharing it with my clan mates and we will enjoy the game that much more thanks to this content. Thank you

  • @absentzz347
    @absentzz347 Рік тому +1

    Imagine we just walk up to the Cloudstriders with this bow in Lightfall. They ask, "Cool bow, what is it?" And we respond, "Uhh... the only reason you're still alive?"

  • @jh6609
    @jh6609 Рік тому +5

    nice vid as always ByF. I can recommend looking into the season armor and the reason why it's called Basilisk, not because of the mythical beast, but maybe it's from the Roko's Basilisk theory

    • @TheCBoysDotCom
      @TheCBoysDotCom Рік тому

      Ayeeeeee. Good odds given the Vex tech involved

    • @HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar
      @HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar Рік тому

      Nah, why is the season ornaments and weapon Veist in the first place? Why not take the opportunity for Braytech ornaments and a new Braytech exotic? Maybe something that combined stasis with siva nanites or something.

    • @TheCBoysDotCom
      @TheCBoysDotCom Рік тому

      @@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar I agree, but I think they thought they’d done enough new Braytech with Beyond Light - not that I agree. I do like a lot of the Veist stuff, and that the dungeon brought in more Tex Mechanica didn’t hurt either. Edit: Typo

  • @dickenleye
    @dickenleye Рік тому +2

    The lore is much more enjoyable this way , thank you!

  • @iESCAP1SM
    @iESCAP1SM Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this! Very cohesive and well read

  • @ericbright1742
    @ericbright1742 Рік тому

    24:32 Kudos to the editor. That was excellently done, and f[profanity blocked]ing hilarious.

  • @HexaSquirrel
    @HexaSquirrel Рік тому +1

    This season has some of the best lore Destiny has ever had! Thanks for the video once again, Byf!

  • @WhiteOrb
    @WhiteOrb Рік тому +1

    Your quality went up so much
    The "[profanity blocked]" part was sooo good! :D

  • @varshaiyer9395
    @varshaiyer9395 3 місяці тому

    I came back to listen to this. I still get goosebumps. What an amazing lead up to Lightfall ❤

  • @SonIronWolf
    @SonIronWolf Рік тому +1

    Love love love all your work, all your work is so appreciated!! I already loved the new dungeon but not the love has grown and my want for the new bow is even higher. Thank you so much for all that you and your team do! You’re the real mvp! ❤️🤘🏿

  • @kennethblocher6110
    @kennethblocher6110 Рік тому

    This is one of the more beautiful lore pieces. It shows hope and sacrifice in the face of complete defeat and annihilation. Too bad I don't feel this strongly about playing the game, too much of a time sink these days. Sure I can play and complete the weekly seasonal stories, but to really get any true value from the game I'd have to play no less than 3hrs daily. This is why, even if I truly do give up playing this game, I'll still come back to videos like this to take in the lore.
    Thanks My Name is Byf and team!

  • @Orkimeedees
    @Orkimeedees Рік тому +2

    Really enjoying the story and lore this season, awesome developments IMO

  • @huh0123
    @huh0123 Рік тому +2

    7:35, Hey Byf, just saying, if you take the average speed of our ships warp travel time between the earth and Jupiter, technically speaking our ships go 53x the speed of light. Although lore wise this might not be the case, just thought it’d be a little funny tidbit of info.

  • @rushramble5856
    @rushramble5856 Рік тому

    I loved hearing the lore of the spire and the way you brought all the pieces together. The warmind and the Ana Bray story are my favorite part of Destiny 1 and 2!!! Your content continues to add depth to my enjoyment of the game. Thank You.

  • @TheCooldog
    @TheCooldog Рік тому

    24:32
    You didn't have to edit it like that, but ya did and I am beyond happy.

  • @ivanreyes371
    @ivanreyes371 Рік тому +2

    The way the story ties together is so good. Doesn’t surprise me that clovis is responsible for the near extinction of humanity. Well done bungie

  • @Truds
    @Truds Рік тому

    This lore about the dungeon, Rasputin and co is some of the best we’ve ever had leading up to a new dlc!

  • @pckbread7543
    @pckbread7543 Рік тому

    When I saw the "Egyptian" code as a message to Rasputin I immediately guessed that this was a sort of tip off to Rasputin, knowing how he went completely dormant during the collapse and dark ages it could be a little reference to the journey of Ra as the day night cycle, it would make sense

  • @dukeofmayonaise
    @dukeofmayonaise Рік тому +3

    I feel like it’s illegal to be this early to a video

  • @Ka0sNinja117
    @Ka0sNinja117 Рік тому +1

    That's so freaking awesome. I hope we confront Clovis about this sometime.

  • @nocturnal4054
    @nocturnal4054 Рік тому

    I love stories like this when machines perform there jobs even when humans don't understand the reason or doubt it, been plenty of times where systems give early warning signs and activate countermeasures to minimalize damage but people just don't act on it. Nice vid Byf, love an AI story.

  • @mythspa6348
    @mythspa6348 Рік тому

    Bro I genuinely love your content I didn't know how to get into destiny lore until I watched one of your videos like how do you make something soo damn interesting and bro you are soo good at story telling

  • @johnclinnick3969
    @johnclinnick3969 Рік тому +1

    I dunno if it's too late and this comment will be buried, but I'll note anyway. The designation M31 is actually referring to the Andromeda Galaxy, so that's where Soteria was trying to send those pods. Many galaxies have designations like that, such as NGC 300 or NGC 1512, and the one for the Andromeda Galaxy happens to be M31.

  • @grimmurrough
    @grimmurrough Рік тому +2

    Kind of an interesting "other side to the AI coin", while Rasputin ceased all former protocols to protect humanity to preserve himself, Soteria sacrificed herself to protect humanity. I also wonder if that fragment will be there on Neomuna, and if so, could the Hierarchy react to it.
    Also now that I'm thinking about it, could it be coincidence that the very first step in the seasonal quest is called "Hierarchy", or is there some small connection, if not literally, then in other ways?
    +1 thing, that almost typical "burden of prophecy/foresight" is really bone chilling here, how not only the habitable worlds are reduced in really short amount of time, but that feeling of inevitable doom, as we read that Clovis and other disregard a not at all faulty AI's sacrifice to launch thet pods on the spot, as some sort of malfunction, and frankly, Mara's words are really adding to that overconfident behaviour of Clovis: "Odd that the Collapse didn't humble you at all"

  • @andrewkonschak5060
    @andrewkonschak5060 Рік тому +1

    This lore was so good. Thank you for bringing it to life!

  • @anothermeyer
    @anothermeyer Рік тому

    Sadly I stopped playing early in d2 from being a day one vet on d1 it’s always nice to hear that the lore is still super rich.

  • @thursdaygirl_
    @thursdaygirl_ Рік тому

    this is the most enraptured i've been with a lore story in a long time, and i've been a lore nerd since d1

  • @sypherius2624
    @sypherius2624 Рік тому +1

    There was a phrase that got my attention, forking branching. That sounds like what the FWC leader described the process when she use the Device, Mind Forking. For those who doesn't know, the FWC device a future prediction device derived from vex tech that the Ishtar Collective made