All IxTx Types (INTJ, ISTJ, INTP, ISTP) w/ Countertype Michael, Practical Typing Mara, Spacey & Mark
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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#INTJ #INTP #ISTP #ISTJ
introverted T doms
Ti (ISTP INTP) vs Te (INTJ ISTJ)
S doms (ISTP ISTJ) vs (INTJ INTP)
Fe inferior (ISTP INTP) vs Fi child (INTJ ISTJ) 1:14:00
Ni 1:25:23 (INTJ ISTP) vs Ne (INTP INTJ) 1:20:00
39:24 Te is contextual and goal focused.
44:27 Te is Cause and effect
47:16 ISTJ Structure necessary for thought
49:05 Ti seeks consistency
50:51 Ni extracts the main essence
52:58 Intps think as they go (ne)
54:10 Ni needs more certainty before it can speak
55:23 INTJ bad at brainstorming need time to prepare
1:00:35 INTJ focus on motivation
1:02:55 Fi as favor trading (Fi projection)
1:06:09 TJs like to prepare
1:07:52 ISTJs need to write things down
1:10:04 Ti doms don't take notes
1:14:46 feeling functions. Fi strong likes and dislikes
1:21:38 INTP use qualifiers. Satisficing
1:23:36 Kinda like X or Y. Metaphor when coding
1:24:32 Ne is overthinking
1:25:39 Ni is a leap of faith background. Sleep on it.
1:28:30 Se and Ne are more informal
1:30:07 Ni is background processing
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They all look like their stereotypes lmao. Mara looks casual af, Spacey looks like your average nerd, Michael looks like an evil villain who doesn't want to be there and Mark just wants to keep things professional
Edit: How is there so many INTPs and INTJs in the comments. Where my fellow ISTPs at
If you blur your eyes a little, it even looks like Michael is wearing a vampire cape. (Intj formalwear?) XD
I like how Spacey's cat was chaos incarnate haha
I laughed so hard when he was talking abt chaos and his cat was walking by his keyboard and when it knocked down his webcam lmaoo
INTP here - Nothing has resonated with me more about motivation than Spacey’s answer. I once told my sister, “I’m not lazy, I’m just chronically demotivated.” She laughed and said I should make T shirts and sell them. It’s true, though.
When Joyce asked "what do you do when you have a crush?" and they are all "what do you mean?" I was like, "huh?!!!!!" I knew exactly was my answer would be. I lay in bed almost every night fantasizing about our future, creating a ideal version of her and imagining the conversations we would have, watching TV together, her laughing at my jokes, etc. Then next time I meet her in person and realize she is nothing like the idealized version of her that I created in my mind, I get disappointed. Then I have to decide if I am interested enough in the "real" her, or if I want to move on and just be friends. It often end up as just friends. Lol. However, the dreamy girl I created in my mind still live on in my imagination. She may even become a character in a novel that I will never finish writing. -INFP
Yeah. STs and NTs don’t do that lol.
When I began reading this comment I already suspected this had to be an INFP!
I got to the "I lay in bed" part and I just immediately assumed this was an INFP comment.
Why on god's earth....?
Good job
this is so infp :)
“…use emotion as a tool…” - Micheal
I never thought about it that way, but I totally do this.
Im an ENFP but i do this as well. emotions are definitely a tool.
Michael's constant leaning-on-hand contemplation in the face of unscripted questions is so adorable 😂 I think the difference between Ni and Ne is also demonstrated quite well, where Spacey tends to branch out and answer questions with some interesting metaphors, while Mara and Michael are having trouble if they don't see the end goal of the questions, where Mara even tells Joyce that she doesn't know where she's going with this one question. Great interesting discussion!
Haha, Michael's contemplation face is indeed adorable. Great points you mentioned, Blue Jay! What a skillful spotting of Ne and Ni.
Fi/Te = more skeptical of peoples motivations (assuming more negative hidden motivations), yet more accepting/naive when it comes to trusting external information
Ti/Fe = more skeptical of external information but more accepting/naive when it comes to hidden/badly motivated people
Simply said, kinda the same as always:
Ti/Fi= distrust until evaluated oneself
Fe/Te assume the positive untill proven or shown the negative
Maybe in this case Fe/Te could be "taking things at face-value", information as a datapoint
@@era1442 Yeah, i'd say so
Yeah I agree with that! I mean ti/fe vs fi/te.
NE is aware of peoples motivations this is why the INTJ can be so paranoid with people because of NE critic
@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 Well, as an ESTP I experience the NE paranoia when I’m stressed. I really suck at Ne and don’t like those states. When I’m stressed I overly make connections and doom scenarios and it feels really makes me uncomfortable .
I relate hard to Mara's black hole of future stressful/significant event(s). Well said, Mara.
30:47: Spacey's delivery, Joyce's laugh+comment and everyone else's reactions/facial expressions 😂❤️
The difference in Joyce's demeanor between this and the 5 ENTJ panel.... 😁
1:28:45 LOLOLOL That was classic! Ne casual demeanor case in point! LOLOL Spacey, I love you man!
33:10 What he’s talking about is deadlines. Deadlines can actually make INTP do something, otherwise they are rarely motivated. But i find their depressive moods kinda cute
INTJ, here. The way Michael answered the question about dealing with stress is identical to how I experience that.
INTP here. I’ve had crushes before, but never trusted them; -and when I met my INTJ husband, my feeling towards him mainly grew over time.
how much time does it usually take for an intp to realize that they actually love a person
@@elnara1 2 years in my case 😭 2 years is the make or break time. if it's not right, my conclusion will be finalized at 2 years, if it's right, you get even more sure about it. i dated my partner, INFP, after 2 years of being friends. everything fits right now.
Great video!
100% agree with Spacey on the Ne view-screens. I've likened it to being a newscaster where you're surrounded by live newsfeeds on different screens and it's all happening globally - PLUS- you have a producer in your ear feeding you updates. That's why we stumble and look around when talking because Ne is always looking for and feeding info to the Ti posits.
That is the best way I can describe it as an auxiliary Ne user.
INTJ here - I also found it odd the way they answered the crush question. I can tell you all about how I deal with crushes. Maybe it's different for males vs females. I would have given a very different response. lol. I also enjoy the feeling even though it can also suck at times when unrequited, which it always is.
Also on the motivation question, I also am very motivated by my life projects/dreams. I think poor Spacey and Micheal are not too happy. :-( HUGS you two. Maybe they need to consider changing jobs. I've changed jobs SO MANY times because I wanted to be happy. I finally am. Work is good and I've got side projects that motivate me too. That being said, there are days when I have no energy after work to work on my passion projects because I am using Te, Ti and Fe all day at work and it wears me out. When I get home I don't want to see a keyboard. Just want to rest. But that isn't a problem of lack of motivation so much as being worn out.
1:28:47 this moment scared me and made me laugh so hard at the same time lol
As an ESFJ watching this video, I already have an urge for wanting them to express more details and feelings. It's amazing how straight to the point they are with their answers. If I was to answer any of Joyce's questions, I'd go off on a tangent with many examples and stories lol.
When Michael said he was thinking of entering a Monastery, this is very insightful. When I was studying to become a Catholic priest in the Seminary, everyone was asked to take an MBTI test and most of the men were hardcore INTJ types. I was really the odd man out trying to get along with my fellow seminarians...so they nominated me for social committee lol!
This panel has really taught me how to relate more with I and T types. Great video! 🤗🤗🤗
@30:50 On Spacey's comment about life just being a lack of motivation, I relate to that. I think there might be something type-related to that, I think that an INTP can often feel like motivation is difficult to derive internally and that there's a sort of 'waiting' for motivational prompting to be provided from some external source. I think that it can be difficult to distinguish between that and depression at times but I do think there's something to the idea that INTPs seem to often need an external stimulus of some kind to be motivated.
I’m in that situation right now 😂
Super fascinating episode! I personally don't feel like my Ti is a mess or very chaotic; rather, I feel like it is time consuming to find a particular point of information due to the depth and density of our internal logical framework(s). It is not always easy to traverse from one point to another regarding our logical chains of information. This is a relatively slow process, particularly if there is a lack of clarity and/or experience surrounding the question/context.
Just 1 minute in and all IXTx are robots. So nice!
Classic INTP move I wouldn't be surprised if we wouldn't see him for the rest of the evening
The crush topic I can’t 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 the confusion was too cute(?) and too funny to handle for me
This was surprisingly interesting, because it was a very quiet kind of conversation, yet intriguing and informative.
The thing with the cat just killed me, but even more the way Spacey just kept talking, while everyone was cracking up XD
Always curious if the results would be different if the interviewees are less knowledgeable about the mbti and their functions. Can't help but feel for those who are very informed about mbti, they sort of self stigmatize themselves to fit into their type
i feel like most people act like their type and ppl in mbti are shocked when they behave that way.
INTJ: I've had several relationships from between 3 1/2 years to 9 1/2 years and each began with the very rare 'crush': "Oh! Wow! I actually like this person and don't get tired of them." I always pursued it over a pretty long time and almost always it was with an ENFP.
Sometimes it takes me years to realize how I feel. Intp my gf is an INFP and she has been helping me process them instead of just ignoring them. I have learned a lot about my self since I met her. Deep stuff like repressed anger I had from childhood to Simple stuff too like I never realized my favorite flavor is strawberry l until last year 2019. She pointed it out and I realized that yes it IS my favorite I had never thought about it before. I’m 30 years old 😑
INTJ here. This is so interesting. Regarding the TJs needing a structure to answer the questions, I know what Michael's saying because that happens to me in other contexts but when I've been on these panels, I have never looked at the questions ahead of time. I just fly by the seat of my pants. I just talk about what feels right when the questions come up. I think that works for me because I've already got a pretty good mental framework of MBTI and the functions so when I'm letting my Ni take the wheel, that usually works out pretty good. I know Michael does too so not sure why it's different for him.
Now, that all being said, in school, especially college (or work), I definitely want plenty of advanced warning or I'm incapable of doing well. I do NOT "wing" anything when it comes to my livliehood or grades. But with hobbies like MBTI, I'm so passionate about it that I just naturally have enough knowledge to be ABLE to wing it. This is with anything for anyone. The key really is having had time with the subject matter to solidify your knowledge. My ISTP electrician brother does not need time to prepare when we ask him electrician questions because he already knows the answer from experience (vs book smarts/study).
Taking notes is 100% required if I care to learn anything complex in a short amount of time. It really depends on the subject. True, I never had to study for Algebra but you can't get away with that slacking when it comes to the sciences. You'll fail so fast. Yes, I also would have remembered the 2 numbers that Spacey used in his example, but that's child's play. When Micheal spoke us saying he would not remember that, he then related it to knowing every setting for every item cooked on his air fryer. That is a lot more than just one or two numbers. We're talking about studying or school (I thought that was the question). Studies (and my personal experience) shows that the process of writing notes actually helps burn it into your memory, especially when you used different colored pens/pencils/markers.
And I also really relate to what Mark said about being able to cross it off once it's learned. I would definitely put big checks by things as I was able to finish learning them. That gives you the confidence to know you'll ace the test. For me to learn in college, the process was (and still is) I would study by 1) read the chapter 1 time straight through to get the scope and gist. 2) go back and take good detailed notes of the most important points using colors and lots of formatting to make things stand out (bullets, numbered items, etc. and then 3) I'd go back and read my notes right before the test. If it was not a dense subject like organic chemistry or physics, then I could just read and take notes and not have to review the notes because just the process of taking the notes would instill it in my brain. But as a science major, most classes were extremely dense and I'd have to study the notes after reading the textbook and taking notes. And of course you have to do that when memorizing things like dozens of chemical structures, mathematical formulas, biological systems, etc. You can't just "wing" the Krebs Cycle.
I find this interesting, because while I will agree that for particularly challenging subjects taking notes can help instill the information into one's memory, that's about the limit of their usefulness for me. I would never go back to notes that I've written and review them.
For me the process of study after taking the notes would be to later rewrite the notes from memory and then consult the text to confirm that I have it correct. Since these notes are temporary and useless once cross checked, I never take the time to color code them or format them in any meaningful manner. For me it's far more useful to have a dozen copies of notes that I've written from memory scattered around and discarded, than to have one set of notes that I refer back to. Once I'm confident that I've successfully processed all the information that I wanted to and can prove it to myself by perfectly rewriting the notes from memory, I never go back to it.
Furthermore I only do this if I'm reading the material or reviewing. If the material is presented in a lecture format, I will almost never take notes. The more challenging the material is that is being presented the more likely I am to miss something important because I'm writing it down instead of processing the information and making connections to other concepts that I can use as metaphorical tools.
i love how spacey answers the questions the first so relatable
I think that I prepare quite extensively, but I do not have a very detailed plan, per se. So, I would need to distinguish between preparation and planning. I prepare by by building skill-sets and taking in information, but my plans are quite loose and somewhat vague. I just move towards a general destination and try to develop the skills necessary to get there.
I can 100% relate to their facial expressions at the start of the video.
Also, I would love to see Eric from 'Eric, the INTP' UA-cam channel here. I think he is really good at explaining the behaviours of INTP.
Lead Ni here. I always describe my Ni like the painting "Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog", as it seems like I'm observing what emerges from the fog and attempting to make sense of it.
That's soooooo true about the difference in energies between Ne and Ni. That's how it seems to me as well. I might even look catatonic when deep in my Ni. My INFP gf gets so excited with her Ne that I swear she's going to levitate LOL
With the feeling thing, I related a lot to Spacey and a little bit to the ISTJ when he said he could not identify his emotions... I really relate to Spacey and Mara
love this panel!!
spacey is a good ambassador for our INTP gang! social game=observatory. tho I don't do the poking my own but when something happen I cant help but observe people's reaction/function. and just keep collecting data 🤔and I have a chaotic cat too 😂
25:53 I'm an INFJ and, like Michael, I also have inferior Se. The things he described (being overwhelmed with information, shit getting pilled up and the stress of unexpected information suddenly appearing that needs to be dealt with) I think it's the same for me but, maybe because I have Fe and not Te, it's more about emotions. I think I try to organize and rationalize my emotions so I can better understand them and get thrown off when I have too much conflict to manage between me and the expectations of the tribe.
For example, feeling the pressure of my parents wanting me to get a job, not wanting to disappoint my supervisor with my master thesis, conflicts with my boyfriend, trying to keep a healthy social life, and giving emotional support to the elders of my family that don't want me to move away from them... In the same way as INTJ's, I have to try to control those cycles of overdoing / burn-out, but I also need to remind myself to not "eat my emotions" away in order to keep everyone happy.
A doubt/debate topic: Are IxTJs more emotionally intense than IxTPs?
it ALWAYS depends
If you mean inwardly it depends but usually yes because Fi on the third slot is really strong (yes is third but it's an introverted function) but if you compare an IxTJ with low Fi and IxTP with developed cognitive functions and also a bit pratical with shadows functions it's obvious that in that case IxTP is more emotionally intese
If you mean outwardly it depends but it's usually equal for example if you pick an IxTP with developed cognitive functions they are more emotionally intense than an IxTJ or if you pick an IxTJ with a bit pratical with shadow functions it can be better than an "unhealthy" IxTP
Please appreciate that I used my shadow Ne (and it drained me)
"We're thinkers, we don't have one."
Someone is lying to themselves.
That was something of a cheeky joke. :-P It was pretty obvious to me but it may not be for other people
From an Objective Personality System "animals" perspective, it was interesting to watch the lead Ti users struggle to blast a description of how they use Ti, hence the "it's a jumble" sensation. They don't blast with their Ti. The Ni-Te and Si-Te users have Te in their blast animal, and were able to blast/describe how they plan for their blast about their Te. I think to show a given function in action, the person would need to be employing it within the right animal. Triangulation by the listener, however, is illuminating in itself.
This comment makes my brain hurt, what's with the retarded terminology
So what you have here is basically the Mafia:
Istp Assassin, Intp Kingpin, Istj Crime boss and the Intj Godfarther
Seems like a pattern with Ti and stress (STsand NTs), get frustrated then reactionary and angry .
It's because where there was once neutrality, anger now fills the void. It is unsettling and makes it harder to just simply think - now we have to feel, unexpectedly.
@@kevrokka.d.9749 Yeah I deal with a lot of that myself it sounds familiar. Sometimes it sucks being an ESTP. Actually a lot of times lol. My life fits this pattern.
Yeah. Agree with Spacey. It doesn't feel like there's a process of checking things. There is no prior planning before giving out an answer but somehow it comes out logically and in order...generally.
Michael hit it on the head. When I was younger, I used emotion as a weapon or tool to try to control the situation. I've learned to control my expression of emotion. I may still feel angry, frustrated, etc. but I don't show it to control situations anymore. I feel more capable of dealing with situations with logic and reasoning now. I still experience delay if the situation is a really traumatic one like a close relative dying or something.
If it wasn't for my more outgoing wife and social media, I wouldn't have any friends. Now and then, I'll find something I'm really interested in, but requires social interaction, such as tabletop role playing games, then I'll enjoy playing the game with them as long as the time period is short. It wears me out. I don't engage in small talk much. Before the game, when I'm preparing for it, I often feel anxious and apprehensive about what might go wrong while I'm with people.
I've found specific women attractive ever since puberty and girls stopped having 'cooties' to some degree - although I still find them a bit strange, like they are aliens or something.
However, I had never asked anyone out on a date in high school or college. I was certain that they would reject me and would avoid the risk. I didn't have the courage to try until I was 30 and had established my own career and life. Even then, I resorted to online dating to have that shield between them and me. I only went on two or three dates with girls I met that way. The dates were awkward and didn't go well.
My coworkers talked me into calling a friend of theirs on the phone to go on a blind date. Took me days to actually call her and I was nervous when I did. I got her voicemail which was kind of a relief. A day later in the evening, I decided to try again after debating the pros and cons of it with myself (I debate myself a lot). Happened about four times, the last time, I almost threw the note with her number away before I called one last time.
When she did answer, she appologized for not calling me back. After that, we talked for over an hour. We 'dated' on the phone for weeks before I got the courage to ask her out. We conversed at the restaurant until it closed. After that, we both relaxed and found that we were very good friends, so we started spending more and more time together. It might seem odd, but we have never had a stereotypical romance. We got married because we realized that we didn't want to live separately anymore.
What is her personality type?
@@aishaadam7473 Michael's type is INTJ. I think mine is either INTJ or INFJ. It's hard to tell with me due to my depression and Asperger's.
Hooray!
So great to see Spacey speak again. :) love the way you explain your concepts.
Can relate to much of what Mara says. Especially about a future stressful event. Always so disappointing when I see a movie trailer with a release date after my upcoming big presentation. How can i look forward to watching this movie on august 17th when my world ends along august 14th fir this presentation? Lol
Thanks everyone! :)
Joyce, at 1:00:15, that's such a great point about Te always structuring and projecting that expectation of structure onto others. I honestly never considered the fact that people didn't have at least some reason for what they do, even if it is just to have fun or explore. I'd assume that was conscious for them and somewhat deliberate. Interesting!! Thank you for pointing that out! And you were explaining that just fine. ;-)
Now that I think about it, I remember my ex-wife, an INFP and I had a conversation once about 20 years ago about why people talk to each other. I was frustrated that somebody had said something that hadn't made sense (or something to that effect) and was asking what was the point in that (I think it was some small talk like sports or weather or a tv show or something). She was explaining why they do and I was like "Ohhhh, you mean they actually talk to each other just for the heck of it??? You mean there is no purpose?" I definitely remember being a little shocked when she said "Yes, a lot of people just talk to make conversation and build connections with each other and for no other reason." I was like Whooooaaaaaaaaa! Mind blown! LOL Ever since then I tried to have conversations "just to connect with people" and she's right that it is kinda nice. :-) That's probably what helped me get better at my Fe.
Waaaiiiittttt, okay no, at 1:02:20 Mara is hypothesizing that TJs or people with Fi in 3rd or 4th slot are more transactional like when doing favors, or that we are suspicious. I don't relate to that. That actually pings/crosses my Fi value and I don't like that assumption being made. It feels like one of those misunderstandings about us that puts us in a negative light and isn't true. Maybe INFPs do that since they aren't big users of Te? I don't know. I have never consciously done that. I can see why someone might make that assumption given that we are always looking for reasons, we always have reasons for what we do.
I think the simple answer is that we have reasons for what we do and we like to understand people so we want to know their reasons as well. For me it's a matter of gaining better understanding so I can give them what they want or better achieve the desired goal. For example, if I know that a colleague is asking me my computer host name at work because he's trying to fix my broken print driver, then I will want to understand that so I can provide him other relevant/helpful info as well. Don't assume we are doing it "transactionally" or "suspiciously", which just feeds into the erroneous negative stereotype that we are not value-driven. I think it's far more likely that wnating to know a person's reasons is about accomplishing a goal rather than building up favors. Although I'm not going to say some folks don't do that. I can just speak for myself.
I resonated with what Michael said about how the head gets under stress even tho I'm ISTP. I think the only difference is what triggers that stress.
When my daughter was two, I layed a blanket on the floor for her to play on. There was a spider on it (we live in Australia) which we both noticed at the same time. She says out loud "oh look, a germ" and picks it up. I couldn't react quick enough, to stop her, so my mind just went into shambles. I yelled something and my daughter dropped it, then I grabbed a thong (flip flop) to smash the spider while my partner picked her up.
After the ordeal was over, I just sat on a chair and told my partner, "it feels like a whole bunch of little men are just running around in my head and bumping into each other".
I think it was the not knowing what to do that left me helpless and stressed, from 0 to 100 very quickly. 😬
Oh look my mom, dad, husband and me 😂
SUPER hahaha
For me (INTJ) Ni is not such a passive process. It's like Ne, but i only think about all situations by myself all the time and scrap away any paths that don't work until there's an in-dividable diamond left with the most possible truth from my PoV. Since the process is internally it doesn't come off as chaotic. And since thoughts and decision-making what stuff to cut can be way faster than bouncing those ideas off of something in the physical world, Ni users usually can make pretty accurate assumptions very fast. Since Ni Doms usually always use Ni before expressing, we're way slower in starting to talk. This for me at least is the reason why i am mostly quiet in group scenarios. Extroverted people are talking all the time. I am usually too slow to enter the conversation, cause i think about the stuff i want to say.
I also have to add that if i do have a really difficult problem that i can't solve after some time, stepping away from the problem and internalizing my thoughts through sleeping i.e. usually brings me to the solution on the next day or at least this is what it looks like.
I'm observing though that the solution doesn't come because i have internalized my thoughts or let my brain sort out stuff in the background, but because i start from the beginning on the next day and give more energy in those branches or paths of situations or possibilities that i didn't work on yet. The reason i can do this now is because i know what paths didn't work yesterday.
Sometimes following a path very deeply takes a lot of mental energy and a lot of variables to remember, so if i'm in a path, i usually focus on only this one thing. Since it is often such a complex task, i can't explore any other branches, cause it would make me forget some of the variables i discovered on my way down this path.
I feel the same
#ISTJ too
I feel like Ti keeps getting conflated with Ne. Te aux might be a focusing element for Ni and Si doms, ti dom by itself is just an associator/identifier. Se is like a clotting agent for filtering Ti. Ti with se aux to me is like how our galaxies formed after the big bang, very collected and organized structures but the novelty is that there are chaotic spaces between them and they are essentially unrelated structures/e.g. inventions with some half baked projects, whereas ti with ne aux is so purely open ended and boundless. (The answer that life has little motivation is such an INTP answer). N here for intj and intp seems to take away momentum in task completion when compared with the sensors, but INTJ has some help with Te. INTP has an engine under the hood but no mechanism to transfer energy into torque. An introverted judging function followed by an auxiliary perceiving function not grounded in the senses must kind of suck sometimes. I think INFPs have this as well?
Te needs to build their internal logic with schedules while Ti need to take notes to keep themselves close to reality
The "mess" The Ti doms explain they feel in their head might come from their Se/Ne rather than their TI. After all, Ti should be a rather orderly function rather than a chaotic one. For Ne/Se it would make sense that it could appear choatic, because it's like a liquid which is constantly moving and adapting to it's Ne or Se enviroment. It does not have a solid form. So while it's harder to planned or expected outcome out of it, it can adapt to any new externals quickly and easily.
It's like if you throw liquids together, they generally blend quick and effortlessly, whereas if you throw rigid objects together, they just lay on top of eachother but do not blend. It takes effort to blend these together.
Kind of. But if they are Ti (Entp, estp, istp, intp) dominant , they become slave to the order, which inevitably leads to a perception of mess. You can appear chaotic and not be okay with it , precisely because they use Ti. Just like Fi need their ethical internal parameters. My point is that it’s not a given that Se or Ne dom won’t feel a mess in their head, despite their adaptability. So your analogy of mixing liquids doesn’t preclude a state of messiness psychologically and is a bit simplistic.
For Michael: in trying to explain the Te piece about answers being contingent upon context, I thought about the joke I heard a lot in grad school (I'm a counselor):
"What is a counselors favorite answer?"
"It depends."
I am an INTJ and this has always felt like the only way I could answer a question without enough context. There are a billion decision trees I go through to derive a response, which makes me less quick witted than my INTP friend, but I have found my thought process is also more adaptable. I'm not sure if this is what you were trying to describe, or something different, but if so, then I agree!
i love this. can you do the same with Fe/Fi introverts
I think it’s so funny they look like their stereotypes, especially spacey and Michael lmaoo
I love how Michael just disappeared randomly
Great stuff Thanks! Thanks Joyce!
You are so welcome! You are a gem for watching, @Dgsd.
I can relate to spacey un-motivation. Im not depressed(I don’t think) but it feels like in been put in a crappy video game that has to be play through to the end. Everything feels meaningless. I just try to enjoy the little things like time with my family. But beyond that feels like a loosing game. Imagine if you stated half way into a game that you didn’t get to start from scratch someone else started it and now you have to “do your best” with what you got. If that’s depression someone let spacey know lol.
1:28:20 😂😂😂 damit the coincidence
Can relate to Michael quite a bit.
i love I-T types
I'm an infp and I also do not trust crushes, like that sudden feeling without reason. It is a vulnerability. I am a type 5 though so that may be a factor
Also you guys glossed over it but when talking about their playful side, Mara mentioned earlier with playing call of duty and giving someone a hard time in fun. I like to do that with my friends as well so it stood out to me.
Man I am getting a lot of of this video, just commenting as points come up. I have an intj brother and a great point of tension between us is when he scrutinizes every thing I say and assumes intent that is not there(mostly due to past trauma I think) and I end up angry and ending the conversation when he won't accept my explanation
36:11 Interesting that sensors had no problem with school, and intuitives dreaded it. It illustrates perhaps how it is pretty much built for sensors.
I was always told if you ever wanted to quit drinking and drink something you hate and if you ever wanted to quit smoking smoke something you absolutely hate I only drink when I'm smoking and I only smoke when I'm drinking so I'm pretty sure I can quit best wishes to you like something from a different country that is absolutely obstinate what I drink
About crushes I relate to Spacey, when I had a crush I never ended with them, it works only when someone flirts in "intj" way (just a person at the moment)
It's interesting. I am an ISTP and my likes and dislikes seem centered on interest. However I remember that I used to have strong likes and dislikes. I have heard there can be drift over the years. I remember being different but I know at 42 I see deeper than the past.
Something interesting I have been looping harder and harder with some problems caused by neurological problems. I have been having a terrible time texting because I process information at the same time and I have struggled with insanely long text because I also am trying to drive down to pure hard facts.
Used to love ESTPs..till I found ISTPs..real competition..
-ENTJ
16:30 Yeah had the same perspective as Michael and Spacey lol 😅 (INFJ tho)
were badasses adn masterminds.
I watched the cat part like 20 times
How do you act when you have a crush?
Me: I try to pretend the crush nor the person exist then my brain attacks me analyzing the situation saying I wouldn't do this if I didn't feel this right?
If I didnt feel anything then I wouldn't have a reaction therefore you might like them.. then my two halfs start debating one thinking on all the horrible repricussions that come with have this feeling and how it's a downfall and the other fantasizing what it would be like to actually have a normal relationship. all of this before I even said hi -_- lol
- infp mixed with intp forgot which is stronger but I don't feel like taking that long test again to find out.
Mark is super cute ;)
Awkward ISTJ Fe PoLR smiles
TP structure... time to post some memes for no reason
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A bit much of the cringey laughing, but a truly interesting panel. Extra point for the cat's stunt :)
Il Joyce stop messing with the INTP otherwise I might have to get involved