INTJ vs ISTJ - Type Comparison
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- In part owing to the 'Intuition vs Sensing' dichotomy of MBTI, plenty of ISTJs tend to mistype as INTJ. Indeed, owing to their scientific nature, it is not unsusual for INTJs to mistype as ISTJ either.
This video employs CPT methodology to present the cognitive functions of each of these types, and explore the ways in which both types are Sensing and Intuitive in their own right.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:48 - Core Similarities
03:09 - Dominant Functions
09:11 - Opposing Functions
19:31 - Sub-Dominant Functions
23:13 - Introverted Thinking
25:46 - Dormant States
27:09 - Summary
31:45 - Wrap-up
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KEY
Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
Divergent - Negative, authoritative, instilling consequence and driving utility.
For more clarification on terms see the CPT eBook!
#16types #ISTJ #INTJ
As an istj, the absolutely terrible stereotypes associated with my mbti used to make me feel embarrassed to tell other people my mbti (I'm aware of how ridiculous that sounds). This video made me feel oddly appreciated... thank you.
Well said! I always feel bad typing someone as an ISTJ as I know the world I'm sending them out into - stilll, I feel we are moviing away from relying on superficial stereotypes and seeing type's for the true awesome selves!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory I did not expect a reply, but it is appreciated! I've made a few videos on TikTok about mbti and have referred many people who are torn between two types to your channel (and sure enough, there is always a video that helps them out). Thank you for spreading more info about mbti!!
that's exactly how I feel! I'm an ISTJ and I got INTJ a few times (my S/N are always around 50%, but leaning towards S, while all the others are like 90%).. I used to dearly hold on to that, hoping that I'm an INTJ while actually deep down knowing that I'm a 100% ISTJ. All of that because of the embarrassing stereotype..
@@simrynm3859 I like your pfp Also what’s your tiktok?
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I took several personality tests and the results were ISTJ and INTJ.
@@Rudra-ej4rx rip
@@Rudra-ej4rx SAME! Always intj, istj and once intp. WTF
INTJ 23 times
ISTJ one time I so confused 🤣
I'm intj
@@dogwatergames5360 noice
For me, as an INTJ, my biggest annoyances with other people is that people always try to pin me down. Put me in a box so they can feel comfortable. But I'm someone that has a natural need to integrate and embody all aspects of this reality. Business, science, technology, art, relationships, spirituality, performance and daily practicalities. It frequently causes a lot of jealousy in others, as most people don't have the same potential to embody all those aspects. Most people solidify their personality somewhere early on in their life and try to be content with that. Which is simply not an option for me.
I don't do these things out of ego, trying to make myself necessarily better than others, it's just a natural drive from a sort of curiosity of reality. There is very little desire to just dig in somewhere and 'ride it out'. An element of movement and progression has always to be present.
And you are right about Fe. I developed my ability to use Fe along the way. I have to be careful with it because I can be very 'hot and cold'. I can be the nicest and most caring person in the world one day. And the next day I'm wrapped up with my own things and there is a possibility that I will be very direct and dismissive. I just can't keep the Fe going without it impeding my Ni-Te focus, but I will use Fe as much as I can. I would say Im probably not as good as a developed ISTJ in general friendly interaction because ISTJs are just more relatable and down-to-earth people. They can just chat about everything. For me, sometimes, it's hard to hide my disinterest in mundane topics. And people pick up on that, and they don't like it. And I can't blame them for it.
This is such a great example of the Ni-Fi identy's 'mass encapsulation', and I thank you for sharing it!
Yes, dip functions (particularly these in question) do take effort and a supply of energy that is not being demanded elsewhere.
I know what you mean about ISTJ relatability!
Jesus brother I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
Insanely relatable
I completely relate to everything you said here, but sadly I have lost the motivation to look into things and have any interests due to my depression. It’s kinda of hard to get on my feet these days and look into whatever catches my attention, so I usually stay in my head and try to find solutions to help myself out of this shithole called mental illnesses.
@@xav5502 Stay on your feet, keep moving. Don't let yourself sink further. You have to make the choice consciously. No one or no thing is going to get you out of depression. Only you can do it yourself, but you have to be brave.
The accuracy and depth of your analysis it’s always so fascinating and necessary. I’m an INTJ and always struggled to reconcile that “very assured” stereotype with all my phases, which as you mention are radical, holistic changes in my life. So many times I have felt like a snake shedding akin after skin until there was no snake at all. My younger brother, on the other hand, is an ISTJ and always struggled identifying with the reductive stereotype. Yes, he’s methodical, precise and operates on a “if ain’t broken don’t fix it” manner. But if you aks him any existential question heis answer usually uncover such a rich and accommodating inner world... it just doesn’t show, and you have to ask him if he wants to share it, but it’s there. They aren’t clockworking machines, but the solidity of their identity might make them look like one.
The snake shedding skin analogy is so pertinent to N-F pairings.
That is a great example of the Ni-Ti of the ISTJ :)
I feel like a snake often struggling to shed skin but never quite managing it. There's always something sabotaging my efforts to change my ways and actually do the things I need to do.
Though this is only really in a practical sense. Internally I change all the fucking time, to an exhausting degree. In fact that's probably why I find it so hard to genuinely change, since the internal change is so rapid and never-ending it never lasts enough to make an impact on my physical body, so I'm stuck in this unpleasant stew of mediocrity that is just sort of the "leftovers" of my being.
Haven't even started the video yet, but I needed this. As a writer with ISTJ and INTJ characters, I wanted to know their core differences. Thanks
That is awesome! Hope the video was of value :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory It was, very much so. Thank you for your enjoyable content :)
@The V word This doesn't contradict ISTJs at all, and the type tends to feel very deeply but struggle more with Fe expression. Happy to provide more via the typing service but from all this I'd say ISTJ is strongly worth considering.
With how ISTJ are often portrayed and stereotyped, I thought I was more emotional than the norm bc when my sister (INTJ) and me (ISTJ) watch a movie I am always bawling my eyes out. Turns out I am just normal haha
this was a great video and you explained their differences quite well without undermining either type! as an ENTP i find ISTJs to be one of the most interesting types and it's a shame they're are so unfairly stereotyped and reduced to unimaginative uncreative traditionalists. i especially find the different treatment ISTJs and INTJs get within the MBTI community very jarring considering how similar these types are. i.e; despite their huge similarities, ISTJs are undermined while INTJs are worshipped as innovative masterminds, which leads to a lot of ISTJs to get mistyped as INTJs or INFPs.
It can be particularly frustrating typing someone as an ISTJ as I know they're going into a world full of prejudice and bad type desriptions..
I typed as an intj but was quickly made aware of how rare the type is and how many people are mistyped. For some reason this bothered me so I began researching cognitive functions in-depth and I now have at least a very solid foundational understanding of the functions and I suppose the mind as a whole, since I've been chucked down another two week quest of obsessive research online. I'm still not entirely sure that I am an INTJ just because it's statically rare, and I don't know if I am just trying to convince myself at this point or what. I've actually started to become a little afraid of not being one which is incredibly odd because in the end it shouldn't matter what I am because I am nothing more or less than "me". So odd that I still feel this need to be "100% sure" before I can move on with my life. Hopefully I'll be satisfied soon. I'll just wind up down some other rabbit hole of obsession though lol
Whichever type overthinks the most is definitely the one you are 😂
I think that’s INTPs 😂 or any “P” types
Are you very good at noticing small physical changes. examples such as how the furniture was laid out in the past in a room, are you the first to notice if a neighbour has changed their house number just by looking at their house, or do you notice any small grammar mistakes in this comment that I might of overlooked. if you are, this would suggest ISTJ (Si dom)
Do you sometimes get subtle and vague feelings that something isn’t right about something like a room, someone in general, or anything else without necessarily knowing why and do you lack energy to focus deeply in your surroundings. This would suggest INTJ (Ni dom)
Me too this has been going on for 6 months for me
Same 😭
I feel so relieved seeing this comment. I have been in this same state for the last one month.
I have worked so much in shaping myself to be a higher version of human being ever since I can remember. So this sudden obsession with a personality type seems like hypocrisy to me.
I know that the rarity of INTJ has subconsciously made me attracted to it, which might be the reason, but I sometimes relate so much to this type. And many a times I don't relate at all to ISTP.
I tested INTJ this Feb-March, and now I test ISTJ, but I don't relate to the current one at all.
Did you also get out of this confusion? Please tell me your current progress.
I have chosen 4 specific people (including fictional characters) who i materialise in my mind. I try to see if I can hold a conversation with them and try to upgrade myself with their skill sets.
Your idea of INTJs using archetypes to cement themselves seems to be in line with what I've been doing these past few years.
Guess I can confirm I'm an INTJ thanks to this vid as well as the one about signs you're not an INTJ
That is very interesting!
This is great to hear, cheers :)
"It is not unusual in the slightest bit for an INTJ to cling to that kind of archetype to such an extent as to feel like they may even cease to exist should they let that archetype go." Wow, I related to this so much, I think this just confirmed my type. I'm very focused on this person that I want to become, I have this person in my mind that I've envisioned (this version of myself), somebody who is powerful, somebody who has influence, that is wise, and capable. I think about this person ALL THE TIME. One of my ultimate goals in life, is to have an impact on this world, while being that person. Thank you so much for this!
I am similar, though the archetype isn't concrete. I often imagine myself as a great politician, kind of like Octavian. But the vision itself is hazy and constantly changing. Sometimes I imagine myself as a prophet, sometimes as a visionary business leader, sometimes as a british prime minister, an American politician, an Emperor, a Reformer, etc, etc. Most of it is delusional and unpracticable and won't happen, especially if I continue to stew in this state of constant fantasy. It is very hard to get out of this cycle though, since often times when I think I've escaped the cycle it is in fact just another iteration. Maybe I should just embrace the cycle and act like a schizophrenic.
I'm an INFJ and I have an ISTJ mother. I'm also engaged to an INTJ, so I do occasionally make comparisons. That Si difference is definitely apparent. My mom's very sentimental, and loves the holidays. She never forgets a birthday, and she's always prepared to send out Christmas cards to everyone. My INTJ fiancé forget people's birthdays, names (if they've only met 1-2x) and she could care less about the holidays. Of course I still get her gifts for days that are semi-important to both of us as a couple. My ISTJ mom is also excellent at giving people directions around town, whereas my INTJ fiancé needs Google Maps.
Lastly, my mom lacks big picture thinking and gets stuck in the details. This is the source of most of our conflicts, along with her questioning my Ni predicted outcomes. She wants to know how I know, despite that fact that my conclusions are often times correct. I simply don't have those type of conflicts with my fiancé. My mom does seem to be able to pick out a pattern in a puzzle, because she's always working on one. She also seems to have intuitive experiences, like having a feeling that something's wrong with a close family member. However, I don't usually see that as related to MBTI intuition.
That's very interesting! It's always great to hear real life accounts in the comments. Yes I can certainly here the Ne-Te/Se-Te differences!
Ah yes sounds like Si-Ti dormant state > Ni-Ti dip, though a concrete internal reality does often need to have the components in question brought to consciousness to be considered reliable, as pertains Ti.
Indeed, gut feelings tend to operate outside of the MBTI definition of intuition :)
Thank you for this in-depth analysis! Your book has been a joy to read, and I’ve never the chance to read anything that explored the theory the way you did in your work. I’m now more understanding and confident of my INTJ personality.
In short, ISTJ in the workplace would be more pragmatic than INTJ. I can relate to this. I have an ISTJ partner (I'm typed as INTJ). While I go into details and methodologies, my partner would try to inter-connect all the other departments that can support the project. We have the same objective: how to finish the project efficiently (Te) so that we can spend our free time (Ni)/family time (Si) leisurely. I think I can operate best when partnering with an ISTJ. They are good managers/communicators.
I thought I was an istj all my life, but now after this video, I see that I was trying to be istj. Thanks for making me realize that I was an intj all along
Interesting, glad to have helped :)
Your content is fantastic! Might be difficult for typology newbies but the more I learn the more I come back to your channel for the unparralel depth and insight. Thanks for doing this video for me and my ISTJ sister :) keep it up!
Thanks a lot! My pleasure, I'm glad it was informative :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory it was super informative!
ISTJs have attract polls in MBTIBase
-Boring, but Practical
-Hot-headed introvert
-Most intellectual sensor type
-Most Individualistic SJ
-Most philosophical sensor
-Nerdiest sensor
-Sensor who reads the most
-The most articulate sensor
'Most philosophical sensor' - I like where that's leaning!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Always check their enneagram type.
Now do ISTJ vs INFP. In my experience, there are never any ISTJs typed in personality communities, mostly because no one really matches the ridiculous ISTJ stereotype. They also claim that it's because ISTJs would never be interested in personality theory, which is.. also ridiculous.
ISTJ - INFP is a mistype I see all too often, and one I am passionate about debunking - I shall certainly do this in due course.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory
Ooh, yes please - trying to figure out my mum's type now, ISTJ and INFP are two of the contenders!
It's likely that many INTJs are actually ISTJs.
I cant see an istj mistyped as a infp or vise versa. Way too different.
@@raquelreyes2011 They have the same functions. Sure, they're in a different order, but they're the same functions nonetheless, and the attitudes of the functions are very similar.
Both have positive Si and Fi. Both have negative Ne and Te.
INFPs feel a nagging responsibility to maintain their exploration of the possibilities (Ne), while ISTJs feel a nagging responsibility to do what works for others (Te). Kinda sorta the same thing.
INFPs need courage to do things that work for others (Te), while ISTJs need courage to explore the possibilities (Ne). Kinda sorta the same thing.
INFPs first live from their identity and their value system (Fi) in a way that shields and protects their internal world of experiences and memories (Si).
ISTJs first live from their internal world of experiences and memories (Si) in a way that shields and protects their identity and value system (Fi).
Kinda sorta the same thing.
The sensitive INFP often feels victimized by others, by way of personal criticism. The sensitive ISTJ often feels victimized by others, by way of manipulation.
Kinda sorta the same thing.
Hi wanted to thankyou for the great content as usual. I really like these kinds of videos. One I could recommend would be a comparison between the ISTP and INTJ because for a long while I did think I was an INTJ, mostly due to the dichotomies of sensing and intuition. Your system is the only coherent and organized perspective on personality so I really thank you for all of your work.
There are so many twisted explanations out there that clash together, you are restoring my faith in MBTI, thank you.
My journey through mbti started with INFP, and then I thought about/considered ENFP, then ENTP, INTP for a short while, then ENTJ for the longest time, recently ESTJ and these days I've been considering ISTJ. I do sound like an ISTJ from your description, which would also explain why it was so hard to find my type, considering the stereotypes. Although I'll watch one of your videos on ESTJ just to make sure XD
Thank you so much for the past 6 days I have been researching alot in order to confirm that I am really INTJ (even though my gut tells me I am ngl) and this really helped me understand myself more. It turns out I'm a (somewhat) very typical INTJ.
Fantastic, this is so far the best explanation between the both going back and forward again and again with some hammering hypnosis and knitting. Very precise, perhaps you're not into ovations or might like a cheer, either way take both. Im a new subscriber and find it very interesting, was seeking for a voice to learn this area.
Was writing and pausing to write, on a loop too, thank you.
Yay! I've been waiting for this. I know an ISTJ that fits the "mastermind" stereotype that INTJ usually get slapped with so I was very curious as to the actual differences between them. ISTJ don't seem to get a lot of attention in the MBTI world but I actually think they're pretty talented and capable people.
EDIT: A little tidbit that just hit me, the ISTJ I know prefers to interact with people in a more formal way, he says it's a "comfort thing." I think that's related to what you said about not being so good in social situations, haha. So maybe some ISTJ have the capability of actively planning ways around that...
Yes I agree the ISTJ can fit the mastermind stereotype rather well! It is a shame how underestimated this type tends to be.
Oh yes, it is not uncommon for Fe to be forgone in favour of Te in social situations :)
Okay i am only seven minutes in but i gotta say who i LOVE the pacing, format and explanations in this video !
I'm a type of INTJ which can be easily confused with ISTJ because of my rules obsession and the constant doing all the work asked.
Great video! The idea of INTJ vs ISTJ got me wondering-- A lot of people talk about how rare the INTJ is and how ISTJ is "the most common"-- and this is based off MBTI test-taker data (or, I think that's where they stats come from). If dichotomy tests are often inaccurate, I wonder what it would look like if there was a way to accurately type everyone (if we had a way to truly measure). What types would actually be "rare"? Would it be vastly different because of behavior vs cognition? The idea of certain types being rare and special has created issues in general in the typology community in general (so in many ways, it would likely be better to never report rarity), but I have to wonder about the stats.
I'm starting to think that being ISTJ is more rare thant being INTJ. Just look at personalitydatabase site. I don't think that's because "sensors don't like that kind of stuff". It's just biased.
@@slowgirl2699 INTJs are very rare on personality database though.
@@allisonscanlan4144 I don't think so. Just compare: for every INTJ you see there, how many ISTJs you've seen before?
@@slowgirl2699 for every 1 intj I've met I've probably met 10 ISTJs. I know tons of ISTJs but they might be more common in some of the circles I'm in ex: engineering/volunteering etc. You won't find many ISTJs doing van life imo or trying to start a poker career. ISTJs are also rare in environments like therapy, or a lot of outdoor activities. It really depends but that's maybe why you don't see them, if you're in different circles
@@slowgirl2699 I'm not sure exactly for personality database, it would be interesting to check. Probably at least 3x as many ISTJs. But INTJs are usually the villains in story's so end up that way on pdb, this doesn't really translate to real life tho
whats a dinosaurs least favourite reindeer?
Comet
Pahaha
Your videos are highly informative, precise and structured. Me gusta
I appreciate the kind words :)
I was so excited to watch this video. The Si/Ne axis is still a foreign language to me...this definitely helped!
I guess this also explains why I can't seem to nail down an Fi identity. Thinking about it like you said actually eases the burden of it, by allowing the kaleidoscope to exist and quit straining to see down to the center 🤷♀️🧐
So glad to hear!
Yes, I like the way you phrased that :)
Thank you so much for making this video. I was hesitating whether I was INTJ or ISTJ and I was also quite lost on what really makes them different, your video helped me get a clearer idea on the general thing so thank you a lot!!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
The r/intj sub reddit needs to see this. I've always encountered self proclaimed INTJ's there. They always say that they are rule breakers and doesn't submit to authority. Sounds too reckless for an INTJ to me.
For sure :)
I agree. I'm an INTJ-A (even people who don't know my MBTI type usually class me like this), and I cannot see the purpose of breaking the rules without a sense and a purpose. It is NOT useful at all, it's a waste of time and energy, and it could work against the bigger plan I have in mind. As an INTJ I hate the lack of logic and rationality, and to me, chaos arising from breaking the rules with no valid reasons does not correspond to my mental spaces where everything is a part of the plan. I don't know if it makes sense to others anyway.
@@ariannacingolani1104 the -A tells my that you are likely not very knowlegable. I do agree that no IXXJ is super reckless though.
@@unobjectivepersonality2498 I don't reason about things I don't know. Your assumption is non-sense. A/T, as well as the 16 personalities letters, are just initials used for convenience. I am aware of the cognitive functions, and I figured my personality out through them. So please, think before you speak about people you don't know anything about.
I did the test two times once based on how inner me feels like and what I actually do in real life situations. For the inner me I got ISTJ and for the what people see me as I got INTJ.
I'm really happy to see that at the same time I'm facing a delicate and a bit unusual descripition of this types you're making me realize HOW my inferior function (Ne) is, indeed, part of my understanding of the world.
Yes indeed! In what it may lack in action if oft makes up for in perception :)
I'm watching this video for the 4th time in 2 weeks, and I just wanted to say that you're the one youtuber I trust the most, yet your explanations are the ones I understand the least 😅 My English is just not advanced enough to understand everything you're saying, and I wish it were cause I would have had the answers to all my questions just by watching your videos.
This is incredibly helpful.
very informative. could you do isfp vs intj at some point?
Yes that one is on the list!
To tide you over in the meantime, check out JOYCE MENG's channel (ua-cam.com/users/JoyceMeng22featured). She conducts "Type Talks," where there'll be a panel of whatever MBTI type(s) for that particular session (and she incorporates Enneagrams, as well), and they discuss how they experience the world. You get to learn the variability amongst the SAME type, as well, being able to observe how lived experiences and other factors might influence people's proclivities. Really fascinating and eye-opening.
Here's one that includes INTJ & ISFP: ua-cam.com/video/WHru7LyQqeQ/v-deo.html
That se-te vs ne-te really helped me thank you, it was really hard for me to understand Ni vs Si
Thank you so much for your in detail approach, and for breaking stereotypes about all types. Can you do infp vs istj? I think i notice quite alot of interesting similarities (though there are differences as well).
This is great and relatable to my experience with friends I've typed as these respective types, very interesting.
This is awesome to hear!
Speaking of sensor vs intuitive i’d like seeing an ENTP vs ESTP video. Its an uncommon but interesting comparison considering the big difference in Se & Ne.
Great video btw!
That comparison is high on my priorities!
Cheers :)
Its an uncommon comparison because the two dont have that much in common
2 years later and I, too, would like very much to see an ENTP vs ESTP comparison! Just figured this would be a convenient reminder! 😁
KING OF (NI) VS KING OF (SI)
Hehe :D
Being married to an ISTJ, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the most intuitive of all the types.
I hear you!
I can see that you have moved the cam closer; or maybe the editing, and it is the righter thing to this type of videos!
Nope, you’ve sat closer, silly me. Whoops sorry.
I'm glad you think so! It is true that I have changed the setup recently :)
Very interesting and informative, as always 🙂. In my experience, I feel as if I've met more female ISTJs than male. I wonder whether it's a more common type for women to identify as? One of the ISTJs I knew was an accountant, the other was my driving instructor. Both ladies were very intelligent, and always had inventive solutions to problems that just seemed so obvious and logical in hindsight (though maybe not so obvious to someone like me, with poorly developed Te!). As well as being extremely down to earth and practical, both had very strong spiritual beliefs, and although not overly emotional people, definitely had caring hearts.
Thanks Gina! Actually yes I do see this to be the case, INFPs and ISTJs often in general!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory
...Although, having said that, have just thought of one (possible) male ISTJ: actor/comedian David Mitchell?
This video really helped. I've tested several times as I often land only a question or two into the S or N field, while the rest are always the same. After watching this, I certainly see where I walk that line and I get pros and cons of both types. I probably lean more INTJ, as the testing shows (2/3), but it's nice knowing now how I can recognize and benefit from both perspectives.
As an INTJ, I think that's the best explanation of the "Si via Fi" experience that I've ever seen. There are things that I get somewhat stereotypically Si-like about, rarely...and they always have to do with one of a few select individuals who are, or were at one time, very individually important to me.
Freaking UA-cam ads are out of control, too. Getting an ad break like every 4 minutes or so. Do you share your videos anywhere else?
Thank you!
An ad break every 4 minutes sounds excessive - I thought they were only every 8-10! Nope I don't share the videos elsewhere :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory UA-cam's ad serving just gets worse and worse over time, I started noticing it especially over the summer. Probably a side effect of the stress on the economy due to covid :(
This video is helping me a lot. i keep getting INTJ & ISTJ on quizzes but after watching this and researching i think i’m an INTJ
Cool :)
As an INTJ Lean/Agile Coach, I taught leadership of large software organizations. Lots of ESTJs and ISTJs there. They got overloading their teams led to the same throughput disasters as it does on an LA Freeway; the abstract was not a problem. What was hard was getting them to recognize trends and acting in a new way (saying no you can’t have that now!) before it became a problem. Once they got used to it and believed it they were fine, but as a contrast, my ENTJ engaged now and a bit over the top.
I puzzled over why xSTJs would struggle with what seemed very concrete. The video clears it up that my Se is very insistent on what the data is saying right now, whereas Si not as much.
You know, as an ISTJ I believe you could also entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe you don't explain things in a way that is easy to understand. Maybe xSTJs do not struggle with "what is concrete". Maybe your way of explaining is too abstract. I personally have a propensity to appreciate big and grand ideas sure, but you know what, if you have a big grand idea why not tell me about its applicability, how it applies to X, and how we can overcome roadblock Y. If you have a big passion for ideas that's great but we are not at a drink in a pub. Let's talk about the issue, not about an out of the hat idea that we need to think how to apply to the issue - you can be sure that our mind is already occupied with applying another idea to another issue and we can't be bothered with smartasses.
And maybe the reason you have no issue with understanding xSTJs is because maybe we follow Einstein's saying "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough". Maybe you could improve your teaching, instead of blaming it on 30% of your audience. Some food for thought.
It's not hard to recognize trends. What is hard is if they stand the test of reality or not. Next time an xSTJ asks you many questions, you could also assume they try to find a crack in your idea, rather than assuming they are too "abstract" to understand it (and I assure you, if they started actively asking questions about your idea, they already understood it, and very well so) If you are a paid resource why not profit while you're around.
@@ileanaprofeanu7626 It's not about me or my style. The results are the same no matter who teaches these classes. They can explain Lean and Agile, they understand it, they pass certification tests. These are very smart and succesful people. I like ISTJs and ESTJs, and they do a lot of way things better than I do. They get stuff done.
Toyota kicked GM's ass for decades. GM's struggles with Lean are legendary even though Toyota told them exactly how they did it. That's stood the test of time, it's backed up with lots of math and data. That is what I am talking about.
It's an intellectual muscle memory thing. A lot of managers like to do what they have always done regardless of outcome.
Very informative and in some areas reaffirming. Can you point me to or do a video on how trauma affects these types or types in general?
this video literally became my nightmare last night as I could hardly understand what you're saying and was stressed out by your hand's movement 😂
now I become more confused which one I am
Hi. Could you do a video about ESFJ too? It would be so interesting to dig deep and see an other opinion too! I think it’s a very interesting but maybe a little overlooked type!💫 thanks
ESFJ video on it's way!
Online tests results me - INTJ
People see me as - INTJ
Understanding functions - INTJ
Dave's OP - INTJ Ni/Fi
CPT - INTJ
Stereotypes/Memes/Behaviors - No you are not, because you are sensitive (xxFP), don't play chess (Ni-Te), don't complete many projects (Ne), and are too theroetical (Ti).
I really don't like this. Sure my behaviors may show as such, but my functions and motivations behind those says otherwise. It makes me question my type and pisses me off.
I also have this rather serious problem. I wonder about being ESTJ or ENTJ. My only certainty is to be an extrovert.
This questioning of yours even makes me think: do INTJs, because of their dynamism, are attracted to MBTI? Is one of the proofs that someone is an INTJ a lack of interest in MBTI? Since this type observes reality with an enormous and specific empiricism.
I know an INTJ who posed as an INTP. However, after researching the subject and reading scientific articles, he just doesn't like MBTI. He cites the lack of science, but one of the reasons is also the limiting character of this type of test: according to him, limiting yourself to a personality scope can affect it - since the person can become depressed if they limit themselves to their supposed and not characteristic empirical ones, and that is bad from his point of view of himself.
I even tend to seriously believe that 99.8% of people who type themselves as INTJ are, in fact, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ or ISFP.
@@watheos6730 MBTI overall is favored by the intuitives, even more so for the introverted intuitives. However, whether you like MBTI or think is pseudoscience, depends more on the person itself. ESTJ's would be the most likely to see MBTI as nonsense, due to Ni-blind spot.
As for ISTJ mistyping as INTJ, I would say that is the case, given that they are both dominant perceiving-subjective functions. A quick way to tell if you are an Si user is if you relate whatever you sense with what you know of with subjective details, and also if you can recall whatever details quickly (I'm not sure if that's actually how Si behaves). For Ni, if you can subconsciously "compress" data to one thing, and you recall memory only if you are "pinged".
Did the test like 6 times. 3 times iNtj 3times iStj. I honesty think I'm more intj and my personality varies on my mood? I might be a bit of both.
I used to think I might be ISTJ, ISFJ or INFP, but now I think I might have been focusing on the entirely wrong axis! 🤦♀ I just relate so much to what you've been saying with ISFP and INTJ and how they experience many of their their values as ever-changing and "lots of things but not intense" (but I've always blamed it on Ne).
I can understand you.
I've considered INFJ, ISTJ, ISFJ, INTP and INFP. But after watching this, I can conclude that I'm definitely an INTJ!
Gathering a ton of information on one subject, often repetitive information presented in alternate forms...seems incessant to most people. Yet, helpful for my understanding. It makes sense why now.
Intj female with istj husband. Good info. Thanks for putting you time into this.
My pleasure, glad you liked it!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory yes I've watched many but its quite complex and I want to make sure I'm looking closer to the right types. Interested to watch your mental health relations ext. I've looked up a few things as well. All seems to connect.
Thank you so much for making this video! Very informative!
I do have a question, though. I've typed in as INTJ every time I've taken the test, but I'm still a bit skeptical because of all the controversy surrounding INTJs and INFJs (since so many type as them). I've read a lot about many of the types and watched your videos and INTJ seems to resonate the most with me. Is there any way I can be more certain of my type?
Again, thank you for your amazing content!
Thanks for the kind words!
If you desire certainty I recommend checking out a Type Service with someone you trust (it could be me or someone else!) - if you've already done your research it would otherwise be a matter of talking to other *known* INTJs and scrutinising your type code over time :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Ok, thank you very much!
Especially interesting to me as an ISTJ with an INTJ twin. I think we could have a good discussion after she has watched this (if she hasn't already).
Wish I could support your patreon; I plan to re-support once I find a job.
Thanks Adrian; I'd be fascinated to hear how that discussion goes!
No problem at all, but I look forward to your return :)
Great video! ☺️ Would you say there's a lot of Ti-detail putting these concepts into words? I've often felt the same way about INTJ/ISTJ differences, but I think that if I were to try communicating as such, I would probably wind up describing the over-all feel of the contrast without necessarily succeeding at being very specific! - Of course research always does help ground my thoughts, along with perhaps that Si-dip!
Hey thanks! Oh yes - Ti-Fe axis afterall :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory lol, I don't know why that's funny to me 😄
29:46 I feel anxious in crowds and when there are multiple people.
Now I'm confused, again...
Althouh if noone is talking I can keep a conversation. That is when I'm lecturing and there is no external input to interfere and when they have patches on their eyes.
But usually is more that I feel threatened, exposed, or judged than anything else . So now l don't really know what's the cause of that.
As for close contact, intimacy for me seems increased expectations and defensivness on my part. If I see a slightest misused word or inappropriate action, I rember it and I get offended. Although I won't say anything but I will wait till I get more such evidences and when the majority will be in favor, I will understand that indeed I was betrayed like I thought. Then, I will present those evidences to the person, and based on the response and attitude that I get, I move on and compromise if I really care. On the other hand, if the person is indeed guilty, and not only that but tries to get defensive and retaliate on me, I start to crush his every argument and start lecturing him(that's more in wrriting).
Example, my INFJ friend would turn silent without giving me any explanation. He would avoid me when I was in front of him, and after this it would say that nothing happened, and then it would gaslight me into thinking that I'm wrong for stating those things after the fact and that he is not guilty.
At first, I would believe him, and I will renounce my own intuition and observations. But then, when there would be an overwhelming evidence in my favor, I will take my turn.
Ironically with my other INTJ friend, I will try to closer, but he would object every thing that I say and he will became defensive, and at that time I will see how passive aggressive I also was with my INFJ even if I didn't said anything necessarily offensive(more subtly blunt). And I will tell him about this system and that we are the same type and how this mechanism functions, but he would stay defensive on me.
So I think that depression makes you more kind and open even if your usual response is a defensive one. Or maybe I'm just an ISTJ... ENFP... Face palm...
Can a person be naturally predisposed to a state not as zoomed-out as a dominant Ni user and not as zoomed-in as a dominant Si user, having a NiSi intermediate predominant state? And simultaneously gathering information intermediate in abstractness (between Se and Ne from) from the external world?
29:27 Being overwhelmed by Se-(Fe) micro-nuance - this for me has easily been one of the ways that I've struggled the most as an INTJ. The lack of emotional awareness, amplified by the lack of situational awareness has caused some of the more awkward moments in my life.
I've also struggled with Ne-(Fe) as well, getting rapidly drained of energy in social situations, particularly when surrounded by people I don't know.
I've started researching into emotional awareness through online resources and books as an attempt to develop my Fe, and hopefully feel less overwhelmed.
What ways would you recommend for developing Fe?
It's a big topic, but as a philosophy it is important to see Fi as something that is not complete until it has been reconciled with Fe. As an INFJ (Ti example), I can theorise all I want, but until Ti is employed and actually demonstrated (Te) it is only half-real.
Could someone help me out here?
I'm Isfp and find it exciting to type people (who knew) and I know this guy who I can't say if he is Si or Ni - Te. If I throw out some things he has said would it be useful, or useless since Ni/Si is introverted and not really shared openly? My dad is a stereotypical ISTJ, but this other person would in my opinion be a less talked about version of the ISTJ and so I'm curious. Another factor is these individuals different cultural upbringing which undoubtedly have had it's effect - one is from Northern Europe, the other from South America. The latter one describes himself as an unusual latino though. He has also tested himself as an intj but we all know how bias those tests are.
I'm thinking about the transformation part of this video, I can see the parts of the intj transformation process in this guy. He does take tasks one at a time instead of multitasking and he sees his life time as an waiting opportunity to learn about several academic or scientific topics in the world (embrace the whole reality). He often talks about things that are meant to be but usually through coincidence. And he often shares self-reflections over stuff like maturing, personal growth, big changes in religious beliefs that has made him into a better person etc. But that he hasn't yet learned how to properly respect his time and boundaries. It's like he always looks ahead. But seeing as ISTJs can be equally as wondering about the future and often uses long term thinking themselves, I wonder if there can be any more physical clues to seperate these transformative qualities of Si/Ni?
Furthermore, I have had doubts about him being Ni dom, because as an Isfp I really enjoy exploring the hidden meanings, symbols of my Ni child, either in discussions or by myself. But whenever I try to instigate an "Ni themed conversation" he doesn't seem willing to deep dive even if it's a subject I know that we both like. Perhaps he doesn't feel like he needs to, because the answer would already be so obvious to him, leading with Ni. Perhaps two persons with preference of Ni can't really deep dive TOGETHER? Perhaps one would need an Ne type as a complement in the discussion?
I keep getting mixed results. all the time. ISTJ, INTJ, ISTJ, INTJ. and I’m still not understanding the difference between these 2, even after watching this, and for every point you make I feel the need for someone to give me a real life example in order to truly understand what you mean, so I can figure out if I relate. For now, when you speak I keep relating to both.. which I know is impossible and happens because I’m obviously not understanding most of it. and it’s so confusing. does this fact make me at least closer to one of these? the fact that I feel the need for a real life example so I can understand the points you’re making? I think I’m closer to ISTJ for this reason but I’m not sure.
Thank you 😅
I've tried about 7 or 8 different tests and i either get ISTJ or INFJ. I think they're complete opposites, so i don't understand how this keeps happening or how to find which I really am.
i got both result and was confused. but after your explanation, no doubt i am an INTJ ☺
I want to see ISFJ vs ISTJ especially I think they are quite similar and can’t see much of a difference
Well, as a person with an ISTJ parent, I can tell their differences . The difference is with the te/fe. The ISTJ will use their si in order to make things more efficient, while the ISFJ's will use their si to make everyone feel comfortable and to build harmony within people, in consequence, ISTJ's tend to be a little less social than ISFJ'S.
I hope I helped you, have a nice day
Thank you
hello, so as an infj when i found out about this cognitive typology, i went on a journey of obssessive interest to study this starting with the jungian theory, but i found my self in a chaos as i take in a lot of information about systems, and as i'm willing to reach your level of knowledge and even more i really would like to ask if you would like to make a video about how to start learning and studying this theory not in only a self developpment journey but also to understand it objectively, like where can i find true cognitive theory, what books can i read to learn more...etc i'm sorry if my language messy, i'm not a native english speaker, and i'm so like an amator in this theory. thank you for your content and your hard work.
Yes, this has been a frequent request lately and I'll be happy to oblige! Psychological Types is always a good starting point re: books :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory thank you
Well this just solved a month long dilemma
Wonderful news!
excellent.
Thanks!
I always got ISTJ when I take the test. But in reality I don't think that I'm always like this. Probably only at work or school but when I'm with my friends or at home I'm like a whole different person.
im really confused and dont know if im a istj or intj, but i think i relate more to intj side of things, but im still confused after researching
and i focus mainly on the big picture
Sounds like more research is needed :)
I am an ISTJ and INTJ because my Sensing/iNtuition scores are about 50/50. I have had it skewed 2-3% either way when I take the assessment.
I am clearly INTJ, especially early in life, however after a lifetime of masking most of the time (unknowingly), l am very close to the ISTJ as well. Do others fluctuate between 2 types? IT &J are close to 100% for me. The N is usually 51% or up to 59%. So, I go from N to S and back again easily. I'm clearly happier at INTJ...more comfortable.
I've tested several different sources and times as INTJ, and still match up and function and feel like everything with INTJ, yet here and there with one thing or another, I feel ambivert as I see the characteristics and ways these MBTI act especially in seeking relationship values with: ENTJ, ESTJ, ISTP, ISTJ. Trying to figure myself out as I know once you know your MBTI, you can research the correct MBTI and benefit yourself and how you understand and get along with others. Love to hear any opinions even if this video is old and I am just commenting now.😂
Impressed - INTJ
Cool and thank you :)
hello!! i am an intj, but i’ve started to think that i am an istj because i love routines and being methodical, i like planning things and being organized. does this interfere on me being and intj?
Ni is a lot about planning. The thing is how you plan. If you just think about future things, then you must be an INTJ, if you write your future plans, you might be an ISTJ
Do you like to make your own strategies, solve mysteries? Do you think a lot about life? Do you value more the mental structure (structured ideas) than the physical structure (like, everything must be in it's place)?
You're an INTJ
Do you use typical strategies or base yours in them? Do you value physical structure for nature more than mental structure?
Then you're an ISTJ
Hope I helped you
@@mantecada5660 hello! well, im a person who remembers information and feel a lot more confident writing what i have to do in a day, for example, and it helps me because my memory isn’t the best. i like writing to-do lists and plan what i have to do in a week or next months, things like that. i value a lot more the ideas. i like planing the routines/days and the future and i like to change my methods, i don’t really stick to it, i mean, i always follow it correctly as i planned but im also always willing to change things to get better, in general. and also, answering the question, i do like and rather make my own strategies. i was more wondering about the fact that i like planning it in a planner or a notebook, for example. i am organized, but i think having everything in its place stays for second plan. i rather have a big view of everything first, organize ideas and goals, so then i’ll organize the ambiance that im in, you know? sorry for my english, im still learning hahaha thank you for replying :)
I was just wondering? But do you do typing sessions as a job? and if you do, where would I be able to book one?
Hey Jeremy, you can find a link to the website on my channel :)
Harry i need the ESFJ, ESFP AND ESTP video. You should compare these types of personalities with others, you never made a video of these 4.
Indeed, ESFJ video on its way!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory awesome!! i really want to know more about it
Oh wait, I had an epiphany. I'm less likely to be an ISTJ because my memory is really bad by itself and I can only remember facts through associative memory. So when I see an implication that I already have mapped out(in my internal framework of understanding), then I rember the facts to support and explain it. So in that sense, my intuition goes on a lot of tangents when talking, exactly like Jordan Peterson.
Still the possibility of being an ISTJ remains... and I can't get it out of my head...
Ahhhh Si-dominants don't *always* have a good memory - this is very important to bare in mind! You certainly exhibit plenty of N-T, but the origin point has yet to be determined.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Ok then! Sorry for bothering your Ti convergent auxiliary that hates approved truths and wants to dissect them in order to see the nuances, and if they stand as truths!
Thanx💮💮
Welcome :)
How does an INTJ interpret past experiences? And does ISTJ's NFP state explain why INTJs relate to INFPs so much?
May I ask if you've ever pondered upon Nietzsche type? If you have, could you very briefly sketch an estimate? And perhaps point to one or two pieces of deciding evidence?
Hi, i'm kinda getting interested in this theory, in 16 personalities i was an ENTP, took some other tests and got ENFJ, and i kinda relate to both stereotypes of those. Any suggestion to actually find my self?
I have videos on both types I recommend checking out, and my Find Your Type series!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thank you
As a So6, I always tend to doubt myself (and this was the main reason I've considered being ISTJ).
But after watching this... Nah, I'm definitely an INTJ.
I have this underlying dread of being an ISTJ. INTJ constantly sound like the better type in so many ways and I cant fathom a reality where people will stop seeing ISTJ as sticks in the mud. Maybe thats what we are... inflexible head empty follow-the-crowd people who cant think outside the box.
Having inferior Sx is negligible against not being able to think intuitively. Our society champions innovation, so its all clear.
My daughter just took a kid version and this came up as her result. I'm an enfp. And ugh
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So that's why my ISTJ collegue got the driving license before me and at college he also handled studying better than me and he also is working, I think.
Also, my ISFJ mother who can go to work and take care of her boyfriend.
While I get overwhelmed only at the thought of doing the dishes because I know that if I do them, that would mean that I also need to take care of all the other stuff which I don't have energy for.
PS: But I have energy for watching all your videos and make a lot of theories on how this information could help me reach individuation, in order to get the energy needed(which my ENTJ father consideres that's laughable and *inefficient*) study for becaming a lawyer, and also getting the money needed to make use of your typing services and maybe aquire a friend and also maybe becaming the next president of my country cause I'm outraged by the current laws and policies :) , but I still end up not doing anything... instead, I became obsessed and I think that I need to research more... before finishing the dishes... and becaming a lawyer... and aquiring a friend from CPT... :)
So in short, maybe you can make a video on how a depressed INTJ can recover, and then maybe I will have the energy needed to invest in the typing services so I can aquire a friend. :) Oh and also to study for being a lawyer so I can defend him... for a price... exactly like his typing services... :)
Just kidding, but really my nihilism and skepticism locks me in place...
Also, this opensess means that it's of value for me to invest in an INFJ friend, so that's why I can speak my mind so easily and I can came up with puns(the same as with my other Infj friend) .
*Serrious note*
*Mode of engagement changed from subtly blunt to bluntly direct*
So don't dissapoint my convergent auxiliary Fi that fought against the Ne+Fe convergent combo in dealing with their skepticism in acquiring another INFJ friend(this is so you can analyze the deeper motives of an INTJ which my INFJ friend also loves to do)
*Serious note*
*Mode of engagement changed back to sublty blunt*
PS 2: It seems that my plan to make you change your view completely of INTJs, through my quirky last comments, have worked. As I have related the majority to the INTJ side, and I can finally prove to my other INTJ friend that I'm not an ISTJ...
PS 3: Thanks for removing the general conception of mystiping INTJs as ENFP in CSJ system because of the use of convergent Fi auxiliary, which in his system is more akin to ENFPs Fi because it's their secondary. Without taking into account that he goes against his own cause of moving away from stereotypes, because with his method, he categorizes INTJs as ENFPs because they don't show their Te function externally. (That's for Harry Theories only that is used for and not for dishes) :)
Also, after seeing socionics Victor Gulenko profiles and other socionics profiles as well, I came to the conclusion that you are essentially speaking about the same type. As you highlight how an INTJ can also use his Fi a lot which is also more akin to an INTp Ni intuitive subtype(MBTY INTJ) as opposed to the stereotypical subtype of the INTp Te logical subtype(preferred INTJ stereotype of CSJ). I guess that this explains my quirkiness in my last comments on your other video.
PS 4:This time I will be obliged to return your money for reading my book if you don't like it, because I engaged more my logical analytical side that was outraged at CSJ innacuracy. Actually, I still think that I delivered it in a quirky way again. You tell me! Until then, no refunds are allowed! :)
PS 5: That was also my play between mye me and my Infj friend. And he didn't like it cause he saw the nuances that I did hide. As I used this to ground him more in reality, and make my expactions clear, but in a more playfully manner.
In this case, I used it in a playfull manner predominantly.
So you tell me if you agree with his view or not!
Ah yes, a video on overcoming depression, as well as its implications re: cognitive functions is an excellent idea :)
These are great examples! Oh boy, I do so love these comment interactions but so often the word 'friend' places a great deal of obligation upon the second party - whatever the case, I appreciate your comments!
Interesting points; it is important to bear in mind Fi remains largely in the possessive position, so there is seldom a non-serious moment concerning its employment. Fi dominants can be more playful.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory "The word friend places a lot of obligation on the second party" - you sound exactly like my INFJ friend!
Yeah... we had some disputes over this cause I wanted progression, religiously so, and he wanted more freedom...
The main point is that I think that I gave him more freedom than my ENTP friend gave him. Because my ENTP friend would use diplomacy to steal some of his time and he will do it even when he will be rejected.
While I would agree with his terms and conditions, but following the premise that he shouldn't have more rights in our friendship and that we need to be equal. Cause if I did the same, he would have got pissed as well.
So my only obligation for him was that we should resolve our conflicts through communication and be open about it.
But he would do weird things and then he will be silent without telling me anything. And when I will confront him, it will make me feel guilty instead while he will feel personaly attacked and act as being the misunderstood victim(gaslighting).
So he would have this expaction from of seeing his emotions and proceed accordingly(yeah Fe trickster-calm down is just for reference), but I will want to do the contrary because I know that I can became really paranoic real quick if I employ this approach instead of researching the real reason.
So he will demand from me to understand him and act accordingly, but he won't respect my natural need of being told the truth. So there was a disvantage for me in this relation dynamics(so then I will take my turn and retaliate so he can see that he doesn't respect his own principles and that he also hurts me in the process). And also my ENTP friend would agree with him that I should just look at his body language... but that's not accurate because based on that they will both guess my intentions, and my INFJ maybe would turn silent because of that, and my ENTP friend would say that I have closed body language. At which I will reply to him, of course that I have closed body language since you use a general criteria that works for the rest of the population, but not for me cause my phisical expression is for the most part muted cause I'm a different personality(2% last I checked). But that doesn't mean that I have bad intentions necessarily in regards to you. It's cause my mind is so fucked that I analyze every thing and then I remember stuff which I then add in my equation, and if I don't get to the a conclusion that would validate my principle or theory, then I get sad.
So tell me what you think about it? I was wrong in my approach, or were both sides wrong and we should *communicate* and understand eachother for once? Which my INFJ friend can't do cause of Fe authority, and Te blocked by Ti because he doesn't renounce his ego that is the main roadblock to stability in this friendship. And besides that he gets revolted like I'm against him... when in fact I just see the problem and how we can solve it.
So what suggestions to you have?
PS: Now I just let everyone do whatever, but at least I want to know this from the start. Cause what the development and the need progression that I have for me, I kinda of require others to follow as well. Or untill I will get out of my depression and I will be self sufficient and give without needing anything in return. But for now those are my needs and I think that they should have understood. Cause I tried to understand them as well.
I am Istj 5. My 5 wing made think for some time, that I am INTJ
please make the info graphics
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Are you implying that Jordan Peterson or that Nietzsche are ISTJs? Cause my way of talking and philosophing is like that.
Actually, maybe I'm developing a principle based on my Ni and Fi, and from there I intertwined it with everything and I abuse it to see the connection between it and other principles?
Peterson may actually be an ISFP! This isn't a certain conclusion but is becoming increasingly possible (attached logic>detached). Nietzsche.. that's an interesting one, though I do consider INTJ more likely. It is important to note ISTJs dip into Ni-Ti from Si-Fi, so abstraction is at the behest of concrete identity.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Although, Peterson had really bad depressive episodes as well. So maybe that activated his other modes of operation and maybe that's why he seems like this?
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory For me is more like I relate to the concrete reality, and then I reconcile it by adapting it to my abstract identity. So when I talk it may seem like I'm talking more about my likes and dislikes but in an objective manner, and from the outside that may seem like I'm biased.
But I do this because I had already synergzed both aspects.
And also, I'm not aware of what my identity is. Before I had a vague understanding of it, but now I feel that I'm everything and nothing at the same time.
Can you give me some examples of detached VS attached logic?
@@annonymusprime5795 Attached logic attaches emotional weight to statements of logical fact, and employs logic as means of reconciling the self with reality. People employing attached logic tend to use extensive symbolism and experiential metaphor in tandem with the point being conveyed, as logic is literally a relational process to reality.
Detached logic tends to only employ such experientialism to enhance reception, and the self tends to be disconnected from the equation entirely. Both logics are equally biased and unbiased, but one extends from self concept, and the other does not.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Interesting! Thanks for your response!
Before my depression I spoke as an observer(from third point of view). That's also why in our exchange of emails I also tried to tell only the action while removing the subject, but now I can't help but relate everything to the self, since I see that usual sources and facts that I trusted before are also subject to personal bias. So no matter how objective the information could sound, I feel as there will always be the potential for the personal bias as we all are subject to the human nature, and therefore, we are all limited and so is our logic as well.
Before I will combat other points of view by removing myself completely. But now, in my depression, I figured out that I can't really do this anymore as in order to get to the root, I need to put the self in equation as well, and now I put the personal bias to the display so I can see it better. And from there I try to extract a completely objective varriant, but since I would still feel attached to it, I would still think that it has bias in my mind. So the struggle of my depression is that since logic is subject to the human bias and limitations, I have no anchor to attach to. So I might as well embrace the subjectivity of existence and find value from it.
Before, I had an internal framework of how things and science are. This was my map. But now because of what I stated above I feel like I have lost this map and that I have no direction. Since even science still doesn't answer the human need for the reason of existence. Since even Big Bang doesn't answer the ulimate cause. You could say that the laws of physics triggered it, but then Ti questions, then what is the cause for those laws in the first place.
You could say that this would imply the argument of creationism, but I'm still not attached to it. As I said that I feel that I'm part of everything and nothing at the same time.
So even if a God exists, then what's the purpose? He gave it or we have the power to choose our own? But then what's the point of following his or our purpose if we don't have a criteria that establishes the worthiness of that purpose so that we can discover the principle that's working on and then follow that principle so we can be in the thriving mode and be self sufficient gods. So I can't even attach myself even to this, because I always ask, but then what happened?
So I think that detached VS attached logic, it's essentially the same. The only difference is that you are less conscious of your involvement in it.
Or maybe I sound as other personality type because I'm on my way to transcend type? Since every type has a main primordial arctype? So then it applies the principle that we are more alike than different. And I would add that the ego makes as more different. While the self, in a way, is the same for all.
So my problem is that I don't have a map that's well defined and predictibile. Grounded only in objectivity and logic. Since my entire existence is subjective and I need to synthesize the two and see them as one. But it's hard since we are programmed in a way to have them separated. We are programmed to see ourself as the program that's running and is hard to see the code of it also and changed it. I think that this may be the union of the opposites?!
Or is this the sign of Ni Dom that wants total predictability because it sees itself as weak to adopt to reality as Se is the oppositional of our types?
But then what's the point of having complete predictability since this desire also comes from an irrational need of survival?
And there is another factor. That means that a person has to go through all of this just to find that principle and then activate the thriving mode? If so, then that's really hard for someone to do. I say this because till now I took life as sandbox game were you have the resources and principles, and rules(Ti), and then you can optimize those to your liking with the use of Te.
Also, I say this as I can't imagine myself being born in an african nation and live a mediocre life and being subject to the debuffs that human condition has on you, and therefore leading a life of suffering and mysery. Cause if that african man can't understand the rules of the game easier to then quit suffering and entering the thriving mode, like an intellectual would, then I also see myself in that position. And if we don't all have equal chances, then again, what's the point of playing this game? But then, again, what's the point of running from suffering and embracing equality?
So in short, it seems that's all about predictability and optimization, and at the same time it seems that there's something more.
I hope that I have not lost you!
What do you think?
me after getting intj multiple times in various tests and then getting istj once:
Mistyped as both. In actuality, I'm an INTP.
How to differentiate an enfp from an istj then?
ISTJ - conservative employment of Ne-Te generally; ENFP - extensive employment of Ne-Te as a mode of consumption.
ISTJ - questioning of identity, tendency towards privacy, introverted nature = proactive>reactive (internal reflection primary mode)' ENFP - more static identity to be observed; tendency towards openness, extravered nature = reactive>proactive (exploratory mentality).
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thank you for taking the time to answer!! :)
it's simple:enfp's=good vibe cute people
ISTJ's=someone who won't let Ni users use their Ni (EVIIIIIIIIIIL)
Aren't the informations presented in this video about the human psyche somehow vague? I mean how do you get to these conclusions, why do you believe you can create this kind of stereotypes and proclaim them to be true and last but not least how do you think you could use these informations in everyday life? No offense, just being curious....
Watch this just make me sure I am not istj but intj. Shame of me which wanna being an istj for many years before. When I am being honest with my self, I am really even not have slightest istj trait. More intj
I am iam iam. And my mother is.
Sometimes I believe. But only occasionally my perceptions. This is done by.
Coldness and calculation dominate me as time dictates.
i am.
What do you think about IxTJs dominant brain side? Are INTJs more left-sided than ISTJs or are they comparable?
According to Dario Nardi's brain scan research, Ni is a pretty unique function in the way it seems to use almost all parts of the brain holistically in stead of compartmentally.
Comparable in average but not in specifics, I would say - I'd suspect INTJs to be more left-Parietal, and right-Occipital, and vice versa for ISTJs :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory @Joey thanks!
Can you also do intp vs intj?
Yes :)
INTP's=socially akward, doesn't give a shit about anything
INTJ's= you know this typical cold anime character?
(Joking)
@@mantecada5660 Both are socially awkward, just in different ways.
This video is very.