The chest or 'sternum' strap is to relieve 'shoulder bind'. Basically, if your shoulders are narrow, the straps tend to want to walk down or 'outward', causing you to always have to be adjusting them back 'to center of chest'...it's a REAL FIGHT on a long march. The wider your shoulders are (than the pack frame), the less fight you have, but heavy or 'deep' loads (where the pack is extended aft more) can cause all sorts of back and shoulder pain due to strap-shifting. The 'sternum' strap holds the shoulder straps together, so they place the pack's load where it should stay...on your shoulder muscles...not on your shoulder 'bursus' joint. Also, the Marine Corps kept the LC1 and LC2 in stock, simultaneously...and until you just explained how to identify the straps differently, I personally never knew there was but one set of pack straps...because supply ALWAYS threw you a frame, and a set of straps, and YOU rigged your frame...so it was 'beef stew' when it came to 'what pack went with what frame went with what set of straps'...just like we mixed-and-matched 'Y' harnesses with 'H' harnesses (until some Colonel would get his panties in a wad over UNIFORMITY...then supply would get their FUBAR trash together and issue ONE-TYPE ONLY per Company).
i have a few fixes for military stuff. if you need the heavy webbing on military style items stitched or restiched go to a shoe repair place. they have the equipment you need to stitch that heavy material. the alice pack frame has two circular holes on the sides of the metal frame. one on each side. and two cigar shaped holes on the back of the frame. if the plastic around these holes is missing buy some car edging at an auto supply store. you know the ones that prevent the edges of car doors from slamming into other cars. measure the sizes of these holes and cut the edging to fit. the pieces on the holes might be hard to get on but it will go on. might use some glue to help them stay on. after 50 years of screwing around military stuff i have actually learned a few things. hope this is helpful. support the 2nd amendment . they are your property, no one elses.
I'm planning on putting together a Ghostbuster replica costume based on how the uniform had looked of the 1989 film "Ghostbusters II (2)" and I've been thinking about using the LC-2 shoulder straps, waist straps and kidney pad for my replica proton pack since they were used for the proton packs of the second film.
@@collectornick4270 Thanks, I really do appreciate it. Mainly, the reason why my replica costume will be based on how the uniform had looked of the second film is because Ghostbusters II was released during the same year I was born in 1989, except Ghostbusters II was released on the 16th of June and I was born one month later on the 26th of July.
Thanks for this, was just on amazon looking at Alice packs with the frame...& it was $89 for the lc2 with pack...but I’d prefer the woodlands one better...so saved me some money! Thx a bunch!
Do the Hellcat mod on the 3rd one. Looks like all you will have to do is replace the kidney pad/belt that’s on it with the newer hip pad/belt. Much more comfortable.
Okay 'Nick'! Nice review of ALL 3 ALICE pack frames. I didn't realize there was a difference between the LC-1 and LC-2 frames - thought it was all in the straps and pads. Apparently there's a lot YTers that don't know either! It seems most of the Chinese 'copies' are like the LC-1 frame - which actually is smaller, lighter and the middle cross strap isn't 'set back' as far as the LC-2 as you pointed out. Many YT ALICE gear 'reviewers' are pointing out the Chinese copies are 'thinner and lighter' but they're actually identical (well - still made in China) to the LC-1 frame 'design'.👍
Thank you for that a just bought a alice pack large and mine is the LC2 middle one of yours very cool thank you a paid £40 here in the UK am also looking for a medium Alice but here they are anything from £65 up yeah love my alice pack a find it more comfortable then the British infantry bergen 120ltr that's a beast . Take care a subd. Liam
I own olive drab, woodland, and MarPat without Anchor, (which means it has the original colors and it's not yet another "digital woodland" clone) which was made for a special contract with the Albanian Army and ended up in surplus because they never paid for it. I've heard of black ones from another special contract, but I can't confirm it. Maybe it was just some made in China belts, LC2 style, sold with original frames. I know of a frame without bends towards the top, but I never got a hold of one of those. Who would have thought that there's so much going on in the ALICE universe.
I have the Alice large pack full kit with frame. What was the og Vietnam pack with the odd shaped frame and the pack that sits near the bottom of the frame?
The green LC-2 straps, thats not "Olive Drab" to my understanding, they're CG483 (Camo Green 483).. at least the ALICE rucks and butt pack i have in that green have that code stamped on them.
I have a NOS lc2 medium woodland , the problem I have and for me is untested , is the quick release system on the shoulder straps , the plastic piece that interlocks the two metal tabs always seems to seem to be halfway backing out , I was wondering was this a problem , straps coming loose
Yeah I'm not really interested and quick release I might try to find a way to rig it up where it won't come loose I haven't used it and it looks like it could be a problem but so far it hasn't completely come apart on me
If you're talkin about along the edge of the wedding it is because that same webbing can be used to manufacture gear that would be used for harnesses. Safety webbing, if you will.
@@nicholask7347 yes, I wonder about that red line along the edge. My ALICE webbings has it too. That red stripe not really blending in with the green of the gear :-). So you say this red means that piece is safety webbings grade harness?
@@laszlokocsis7817 that is my understanding. Red has a certain weight limit, just as yellow does. Now that I I just said that, most of the harnesses I have seen, be there parachute rigs or flight crew harnesses, all have yellow on the ends.
It's for training I believe, I've never seen it on frame straps but I've seen in original photos the Y-straps with red stitching along them during training or field exercises.
Does that first Alice frame you showed us have a US stamp on it? Believe it or not, that's a Chinese reproduction frame. Not, saying the straps or kidney strap are. Just that frame looks to be. Maybe, not. But, sure looks like one. There's videos on it to be able to spot them out.
Great history in the video. I've never seen all three sets the LC series frames on one table. Good job
Thanks!
The chest or 'sternum' strap is to relieve 'shoulder bind'. Basically, if your shoulders are narrow, the straps tend to want to walk down or 'outward', causing you to always have to be adjusting them back 'to center of chest'...it's a REAL FIGHT on a long march. The wider your shoulders are (than the pack frame), the less fight you have, but heavy or 'deep' loads (where the pack is extended aft more) can cause all sorts of back and shoulder pain due to strap-shifting. The 'sternum' strap holds the shoulder straps together, so they place the pack's load where it should stay...on your shoulder muscles...not on your shoulder 'bursus' joint.
Also, the Marine Corps kept the LC1 and LC2 in stock, simultaneously...and until you just explained how to identify the straps differently, I personally never knew there was but one set of pack straps...because supply ALWAYS threw you a frame, and a set of straps, and YOU rigged your frame...so it was 'beef stew' when it came to 'what pack went with what frame went with what set of straps'...just like we mixed-and-matched 'Y' harnesses with 'H' harnesses (until some Colonel would get his panties in a wad over UNIFORMITY...then supply would get their FUBAR trash together and issue ONE-TYPE ONLY per Company).
nice
i have a few fixes for military stuff. if you need the heavy webbing on military style items stitched or restiched go to a shoe repair place. they have the equipment you need to stitch that heavy material. the alice pack frame has two circular holes on the sides of the metal frame. one on each side. and two cigar shaped holes on the back of the frame. if the plastic around these holes is missing buy some car edging at an auto supply store. you know the ones that prevent the edges of car doors from slamming into other cars. measure the sizes of these holes and cut the edging to fit. the pieces on the holes might be hard to get on but it will go on. might use some glue to help them stay on. after 50 years of screwing around military stuff i have actually learned a few things. hope this is helpful. support the 2nd amendment . they are your property, no one elses.
Nice
Great info. I'm looking at my pack frames right now to compare them.
Nice review thanks for the video I've never seen a LC1 frame before
Amra Survival your welcome, glad you got some use out it it
I'm planning on putting together a Ghostbuster replica costume based on how the uniform had looked of the 1989 film "Ghostbusters II (2)" and I've been thinking about using the LC-2 shoulder straps, waist straps and kidney pad for my replica proton pack since they were used for the proton packs of the second film.
Nice
@@collectornick4270 Thanks, I really do appreciate it.
Mainly, the reason why my replica costume will be based on how the uniform had looked of the second film is because Ghostbusters II was released during the same year I was born in 1989, except Ghostbusters II was released on the 16th of June and I was born one month later on the 26th of July.
Thanks for the video. I really appreciate the history of things like this.
Thanks for watching
NICE JOB ON THE 3 PACKS ........PLZ SHOW SET UP OF LC1 HOW TO SET UP ENTIRE LC1
The thick padding on the 3rd one is way more comfortable imo
I like them too
Thanks for this, was just on amazon looking at Alice packs with the frame...& it was $89 for the lc2 with pack...but I’d prefer the woodlands one better...so saved me some money! Thx a bunch!
Nikki St Laurent your welcome
Thanks for the info I found this pack complete for 10 bucks it also came with two canteens and a 1967 mess kit no utensils
Right on!
Do the Hellcat mod on the 3rd one. Looks like all you will have to do is replace the kidney pad/belt that’s on it with the newer hip pad/belt. Much more comfortable.
Maybe
Okay 'Nick'! Nice review of ALL 3 ALICE pack frames. I didn't realize there was a difference between the LC-1 and LC-2 frames - thought it was all in the straps and pads. Apparently there's a lot YTers that don't know either! It seems most of the Chinese 'copies' are like the LC-1 frame - which actually is smaller, lighter and the middle cross strap isn't 'set back' as far as the LC-2 as you pointed out. Many YT ALICE gear 'reviewers' are pointing out the Chinese copies are 'thinner and lighter' but they're actually identical (well - still made in China) to the LC-1 frame 'design'.👍
Thank you for that a just bought a alice pack large and mine is the LC2 middle one of yours very cool thank you a paid £40 here in the UK am also looking for a medium Alice but here they are anything from £65 up yeah love my alice pack a find it more comfortable then the British infantry bergen 120ltr that's a beast . Take care a subd. Liam
Your welcome! And I'm glad you enjoyed the video
Great Video... Sternum Straps make a significant difference in favor of load bearing a Rucksack. I relish it.
Great tip!
I thought they came out with a woodland kidney pad? Nice helpful video since I just got a woodland Alice pack!
It's possible they had one but I've never seen one.
@@collectornick4270 only on molle packs
I own olive drab, woodland, and MarPat without Anchor, (which means it has the original colors and it's not yet another "digital woodland" clone) which was made for a special contract with the Albanian Army and ended up in surplus because they never paid for it. I've heard of black ones from another special contract, but I can't confirm it. Maybe it was just some made in China belts, LC2 style, sold with original frames.
I know of a frame without bends towards the top, but I never got a hold of one of those. Who would have thought that there's so much going on in the ALICE universe.
I have the Alice large pack full kit with frame. What was the og Vietnam pack with the odd shaped frame and the pack that sits near the bottom of the frame?
That would of been these.
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The green LC-2 straps, thats not "Olive Drab" to my understanding, they're CG483 (Camo Green 483).. at least the ALICE rucks and butt pack i have in that green have that code stamped on them.
Thanks!
Any idea if the LC-2 hip pad will fit the LC-1 frame? My LC-1 doesn't have a hip belt (idk what year it is) and It would be nice to have that. LoL!
It should fit
All the parts are interchangeable
Are all the short Alice frames marked EC or are some of them also marked STATE?
I think it depends on the manufacturer
I have a NOS lc2 medium woodland , the problem I have and for me is untested , is the quick release system on the shoulder straps , the plastic piece that interlocks the two metal tabs always seems to seem to be halfway backing out , I was wondering was this a problem , straps coming loose
I've heard of it being a problem.
Yeah I'm not really interested and quick release I might try to find a way to rig it up where it won't come loose I haven't used it and it looks like it could be a problem but so far it hasn't completely come apart on me
O got a large frame for large Alice, Also i ahve a medium Alice without frame, can i use the frame to use it with the medium alife
cool
Can you put a large lc1 on a lc2 frame, vice versa? They all look about the same..
Yeah, they are all compatible
Very good. Thank you very much
Your welcome!
Middle frame has my name at year of birth, nice.
Do you have any hints, on whats the purpose of the red colored part of the shoulder strap (at 4:46) ?
No idea, I've heard it was just the way US manufacturers made them
If you're talkin about along the edge of the wedding it is because that same webbing can be used to manufacture gear that would be used for harnesses. Safety webbing, if you will.
@@nicholask7347 yes, I wonder about that red line along the edge.
My ALICE webbings has it too.
That red stripe not really blending in with the green of the gear :-).
So you say this red means that piece is safety webbings grade harness?
@@laszlokocsis7817 that is my understanding. Red has a certain weight limit, just as yellow does. Now that I I just said that, most of the harnesses I have seen, be there parachute rigs or flight crew harnesses, all have yellow on the ends.
I want to purchase an Alice frame to elviate sweat build up. Could I just attach any back pack to it with some rigging?
Probably with paracord or something.
The pack has the padding for your back for the frame top.
How in the world to you adjust the kidney pad back strap on 2nd pattern lc2? Im sure its simple but I can't seem to figure it out
It's a pain
There is another type of frame: Almost every alice pack I see online has that same PRC made frame.
I think it's the bag not the frame. But I never bought one.
Do you know what the red stitching means on the OD straps you showed? I see that on some gear and don't know what it means.
It's for training I believe, I've never seen it on frame straps but I've seen in original photos the Y-straps with red stitching along them during training or field exercises.
Ya my hip belt has orange stitching on the back
A lot of older gear has red stitching like that. I think it looks ace, and as far as I’m aware it bears no actual meaning.
@@MrTangent More or less to tell the difference between LC1 and LC2.
I'm not sure
ALSO SHOW THE CORRECT BAG FOR EACH FRAME
True
Is one of these frames taller than the other? I need a taller frame. Was curious if one existed.
They are all supposed to be the same height however the lc1 frame seems a slight shorter.
Where can i buy a frame im in Toronto Canada
Try eBay
Collector Nick ebay is way to expensive the want 100 bucks for just the frame
Collector Nick this guy says he knows where to get them for 5 bucks a frame where darn it where!
@@Stellar12316 who?
Are there any reliable places/sites where I can buy a LC-2 pack frame?
ebay is your best bet
i got my frame from tactical tailor and it doesn't have any loops for the shoulder straps on top
Nice
@@collectornick4270 will that affect it?
@@christiandinero8083 original straps might not fit as well
Where can I buy an aluminum frame
I'd recommend ebay
Which is the sturdier of the 2 lc2? Either 1 better?
LC-2 but the LC-1 is definitely more classic.
Any older Vietnam round curve ruck sacks for sale?
Nope
Does that first Alice frame you showed us have a US stamp on it?
Believe it or not, that's a Chinese reproduction frame. Not, saying the straps or kidney strap are. Just that frame looks to be. Maybe, not. But, sure looks like one. There's videos on it to be able to spot them out.
Idk man it feels pretty really but I'll have to take a look at it.
and oh yeah. i liked your video.
Thanks!
Hey nick can you huckme up with a alicebackpacks theres no military flea markets in puertorico
I'd love to but right now I don't have any for sale.
Meanwhile the US government is spending billions on the IRON MAN system 😂😂
Right
I need that jungle pack because I'm a soldier from Philippines I need the jungle like that. Plssss help me to order or byuing that.
Ebay
@@collectornick4270 Ebay??
Super gem condition
Thanks!
ya forgot the arvn x frame for the medium pack.
For this video I stuck with just ALICE gear, although I have yet to do a review of the ARVN ruck sack.
How to order
Ebay
@@collectornick4270 Ebay??? How
Where is a good place to buy a Gov’t issued Alice pack frame? Not a knock off.
Ebay
how do i tell a real pack from the fakes out there?
real ones usually have stamps/ contract number on them and fakes usually don't
🏞️🌄
Thanks
Sell me one
Not for sale. Sorry.
Anybody know a good place to buy ALICE frames in canada?
I'm not sure