The Mini Malice Pack: Medium Alice Pack Mods
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video, I break down my medium Alice pack, and all the modifications that I’ve made to it. This pack is tried and true and is far from retirement! Enjoy! And thanks for watching!
Don't apologize for waiting 8 days or whatever between vids. Take care of your job and your life.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts with us!
I’m sorry but I take serious issue with the videos you’re putting out. I can feel the money in my wallet account loosening to buy more tactical gear. Disgusting.
MALICE good in 2004. Still good in 2024.
Timeless design
I love your videos and they help a lot, greetings from an infantryman of the Argentine army
Thanks for watching!
Congrats on 5k subscribers. I'm a GWOT knuckle dragger and have recommended your channel to all my younger 11B's who don't have the benefit these days of "insta-deploying" to Iraq/A'stan like us older guys did to learn their Fieldcraft. Overwhelming great responses from them.
Thank you for watching! And thanks for the recommendations! That’s the whole reason I made this channel so thats awesome to hear!
The Alice packs are by far one of the best pieces of gear ever issued
Besides the waterproofing they are indeed among the best 🙌
Absolutely
@@zensempai7371 to be fair that's what a poncho is for. It goes over the pack and all. Perhaps in the jungle of 'nam during a war that solution isn't perfect but for backpayand bush crafting a poncho is that solution. Nobody relies on their backpack to be waterproof. 1:48
Do shelter considerations. Patrol base type stuff.
🤔 perhaps
Brother I can't find enough content like this, your work is appreciated and I'm happy to see your channel growing, you deserve it!
Thanks for watching!
You provide some of the best information out right now. Keep it up!
Now show us what’s inside please?
Soon
Oreos and Smarties
I have a set up that I did to my ALICE back in 2006 that looks just like this. I used scavenged parts of an assault pack to sew PALs webbing on the pack lid and sides. this allowed for the attachment of USMC issued MOLLE sustainment pouches and two HSG saw drum pouches on the lid. I, too, replaced all the metal for fastex that was salvaged from the same pack...I made some removable shoulder strap pads and it was perfect. still have it. Thank God that my Grandma and STA platoon made learn to sew! Semper Fidelis
Nice setup man! I
did a similar mod on an ALICE Medium back in 2011. Didn’t end up adding any pouches to mine, just the buckle Mod, paint, and TAG Hip belt and shoulder straps. Got it all setup to use in Afghanistan and then I got put in a Mobile Platoon, the pack ended up staying in the FOB 98% of the deployment 🤦🏽♂️
Couple questions,
Is there any reason you opted not to use MALICE Clips for the pouches?
And, have you considered using smaller individual pieces of netting or scrim to each pouch/section of the pack in a way were each pouch is individually accessible, but still visually broken up?
No particular reason for using alice clips instead of malice! On the big pouches I used malice clips cause that’s what I had laying around! And for the smaller ones I used alice clips because I didn’t have any short malice clips. And yes I have considered using smaller pieces but I choose to use the large piece so I have the capability to take it off of my ruck and bring it with me on patrol to plus up my individual concealment in something like an ambush or observation position!
So funny. 20 years ago we had a lot of higher ups always get rid of any modifications that we had. Uniformity was everything even though everything uniformly worked like shit. I’m glad after long wars that somebody came to their senses.
totally agree. I understand requiring certain minimum base equipment, but the exact placement and such needs to be suited to the individual.
In my unit overseas for a time we did mandate where everyone had their medkit so everyone else knew where to find it, but we ran rather custom beyond that.
We even modified our M16 and M4 rifles (Stocks, grips, handguards, optics, triggers, selector levers, mag releases, magazines, steel mag antitilt followers, lights, slings, etc.). We returned them to stock before turning them in. The modes were all personal gear we bought and brought from home.
The medium ALICE is maybe the best pack for most Marine infantry operations. I used one extensively from 04-15 and somewhere in there had TT modify it. Claymore pouch on the lid, reinforced stress areas, MOLLE above the pouches and on the sides.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen them or not, but check out WTF straps. They’re hypalon malice clips essentially, you can use them to replace all your gator clips. More secure, no worries about rust, no noise and a bit more svelte.
Having served during the reign of the Alice pack, I can tell you Alice packs weren't issued any better than old beat up molle packs today. My first unit I got issued an Alice pack that probably was used in Nam. The frame was cracked in multiple places, it had Lc1 straps that were flat as cardboard, it had holes in the pack bag itself. But CIF told me if the holes didn't meet a specific size it was still servicable.....yeah.
Troops beat up gear. That's all their is to it. But I am a huge Alice pack fan. A large Alice is my current go to pack for my own civil preparedness. 💪🤙
Some things never change
Thank you for sharing great ideas and examples. Cheers from Kyiv UA!
Thanks for watching!
Great ideas! Like it. I also have several ALICE packs and love to customize them. Some of your mods you did to yours might be interesting to me. I´m a civilian Bushcraft - Camping type of guy with a hang to Military Surplus gear 😉
I´m subscribed! Thanks for your content! Best regards from Germany!!
ALICE system - so much better than the CFP90
Absolutely
creative. but the extra pouches and such feels like a lot of extra weight. feels like you put a lot of work into it, and I like the thinking. but I can't help but wonder how much better it would be if you removed the old stuff and just sewed new buckle straps on, and sewed the pouches right into place. eliminate the old attachments and extra layers of material, extra webbing, etc. being able to sew really opens up possibilities, and you can sew some pretty good stuff even if it doesn't look perfect.
would definitely like to see a bit more on your camo cover and how you attached it to the ruck.
While you’re not wrong, all the extra material you’re talking about probably adds up to 1 pound at maximum
@@TheGruntPerspective yes, but it's not just about weight. it would be potentially more durable, more slick, more optimized, can replace all of the ALICE clips and such with whatever attachments you wanted for removable items, etc.
The more things I start to fix by sewing, the more things I start to just think about sewing right from the start. What you're doing isn't wrong, but once you've gotten something into a config that works, it can benefit from being made better or more permanent (assuming it doesn't need to change from that config sometimes).
I've modified my gear as you are too. And I've even done mods along these lines to military vehicles, and weapons. I made a mod to my rifle to fix an issue in Afghanistan using 550 cord, that I still use today on my personal rifles, as It works so well and I haven't found a better solution yet (noncritical issue). But sometimes the effort I put in would be far better spent sewing it than just jerry-rigging it.
But by removing excess straps, zipties, buttons, webbing, redundant layers, optimizing pouches, and consolidating pouches (fewer larger ones as appropriate), the amount of extra savings can add up while resulting in a far simpler and less floppy pack.
@@SoloRenegade definitely correct, thanks for watching! And thanks for the input!
The scrim is epic on that pack . I really like pack covers I think they are a must if nothing other than making them more weather resistant but the camouflage is a huge bonus if not a must.
My humble criticism is only on the ghillie cover. Do you veg it? if not, it looks like a big mossy wire brush that is not naturally occurring in nature. Im not super experienced, only applying the little i know about ghillie suits to the ghillie pack cover. Great content and thank you for all the time effort and information!
I told him it looked like a hay bale.
What we need is for someone to make a bag to AILCE dimensions, fit to the metal frame with MOLLE straps that you can simply attach pouches without all the zip ties and 550 jury rigging. Great means of taking what you got and making it work.
Tactical assault gear already made that. Look it up
TAG recon ruck
Look up the recon ultra ruck. Comes in coyote, multicam, black, and OD green. Very pricey though it comes in at least 250 USD not including shipping depending on where you get it from. Theres also the blackhawk tactical SOF ruck though it still uses alice clips but does feature more pockets, those are a bit more expensive at anywhere from 200 to 600, as they are not in production anymore.
Fire Force Gear USA has some pretty good molled ALICE rucksacks.
@@gymtard I had the Tag mountain ruck and if it’s similar, it was a large Alice size.
@@grenadespoon yeah they are based on the large alice. On version j St has more pockets on it with a removable lid i believe. Its been a while since ive seen one
I love how this dude was dissing the fuck out of the USMC main pack. Everything he said was true tho. They tried to make a good pack but after they get ran through like a porn star they suck dick. My time at MCT was great because I was hooked up with a brand new pair of shoulder straps and waist strap. But that just made me realize how fast they get fucked because after the few hikes I did with them they were beyond broken in. It only takes like 10 hikes before they are done for. Great video tho. I would love some more insight into how you mounted all those extra pouches tho
Thanks for watching, check out my instagram for a in-depth tutorial on how to build this pack
The way you went about attaching a pouch to the Alice pack lid is pure genius. The overall effect of attaching the pouches the way you did makes my attaching a Molle Sustainment pouch to each side of the pack seem like amateur hour.
Haha thanks, I’ve done that before though, worked very well
For those trying to save some money, there's a setup known as the 'Hellcat' that you can Google that uses surplus MOLLE gear to replace the shoulder straps and hip belt. Will save an absolute ton of money. This also makes the shoulders adjustable for height, though as others have alluded to, if you're an 'average' height of 5'8" these are redundant (can speak from experience on this), however the MOLLE shoulders are still a huge improvement over the originals. Frame replacement you may or may not need of course. The Hellcat mods can be done on both the Med and Lrg ALICEs.
I have a Large pack I've done the Hellcat stuff on, but nothing like all the extra pouches quite like this. My BOB is that pack, but being a T1 diabetic I have extra supplies I have in it that take up a solid chunk of space and weight that one of those large sustainment pouches would solve nicely for me. And I really need to get on the 2-quart canteen bus, those things are awesome.
Thanks a ton for your work man, you're doing great. Sound was fine; there's no way around the noise when it comes to working with stuff like that IMO. I can tell your pacing regarding presentation is improving also. Full time job and doing YT as a hobby is time-consuming, so don't feel bad if you gotta take a break on occasion! Take care and thanks again
Oh and as others have voiced, curious to know what you'd load it with. Your weapon kit video helped me streamline and utilitize mine quite a bit!
Thanks for watching!
Bro can you deconstruct and rebuild your pack so we can get a better idea of how you actually attach your pouches?
I need to replace the main bag, when I do I’ll make a build tutorial.
@@TheGruntPerspective hell yea! I just bought one and I wanna rig mine up like yours for the scout indoc
I posted a tutorial on my Instagram!
@@TheGruntPerspective you’re the man! Thanks for not forgetting about me lol
Quickly becoming my favorite channel. Keep up the good work
Thanks for watching!
Could you provide a link as to where you got the frame, please. Semper Fi!
www.opticsplanet.com/tactical-tailor-malice-pack-frame-strills-compatible.html
Looks like the price has gone up quite a bit since I bought mine unfortunately.
Nice mods. I’m definitely gonna use some of this stuff on my setup. I use a British bergan with tailored pouches. Similar setup to yours but your mods will make it even better.
Could you show us how you pack the ruck out and how all the kits/ tools you mentioned in earlier videos would be packed? Also I was wondering if you could do a video on what boots you recommend and footcare tips.
I plan on making both of those videos!
I put my molle2 shoulder and waist straps in my large alice and its lightyears better than the original suspension system. Its even more comfortable than my molle2 pack and my ilbe . Super lightweight as far as millitary surplus goes
I have the grey ghost bar 5200 (sister company to tactical tailor and their version of the malice) same frame and straps, but I'll use that in colder months and swap it put with a medium alice during warmer months.
Have you ever considered making a typical ruck packing list video? Like, for a three day FTX with ranges and patrol bases, how would you pack your ruck?
Coming out in the next couple days!
@@TheGruntPerspective nice, looking forward to it, since I'm in the middle of a three day FTX
Eagle made "coyote" dies real nice with Rit dye, 1 can apple green, half can sandstone, 1/4 can black. Turns a nice greenish/coyote.
What is the length of the bungee cords? Thx
I have no idea. If I had to guess I’d say 3 feet
Thanks for watching!
Thoughts on putting a 117 pouch on the inside like the issued pack?
My thoughts are that it is heavy
Love your content, best gear breakdown channel so far, very informative and straight to the point 10/10
Wow, ALICE pack, great memories and nightmares. I remember the day I switched to a Dana Terraplane X... I took my ALICE that I had cussed for years and unceremoniously slung it into a dumpster with a few choice words of good bye... now I wish I had kept it just for nostalgia. I am looking at an LBT Enhanced Warfighter JUmp Pack now and seeing your video of an ALICE with "upgrades" (didn't have that option ) and the price of yours compared to the LBT... hmmmm... makes me think twice.
thats a sweet looking medium ruck mod,really like the solid colors
Thanks for the thanks your vids are great steel sharpening steel vibes rah
Thanks for watching!
I'm gonna have to give something like this a shot with my spare medium pack. I got one only for the frame to replace the trash plastic one that came with the FILBE ruck when I was a comms guy but now that sack is way too big
Thanks for watching! That filbe frame is the worst piece of military equipment ever. I would love to talk to the guys who approved it.
Your concealment blanket is very interesting. You mention it is a 4'x5' fishing net. Could you provide a little more info on it. Is it a Gill net? could you provide a link to what you purchased? Thanks.
I got it at a surplus store actually so I don’t have a link. Sorry about that!
Grab a British army scrim scarf or two, fit for purpose 👍
I swear that looked like a hay bale at first!
Crossfire frame if you want the best for use with armor. Nothing comes even close.
Can you send a link to the jute you used ? Or how you made it?
Yes please
Great video, keep them coming. Also, Gentlemen... I see over one hundred comments, most if not all positive. Give this man some likes!
Thanks for watching!
Keep up the real world videos. Lots of you tubers are full of shit.
Mannnn I would want this damn thing if the shit hit the fan. I have a medium Alice and I’m going to build it pretty close to this… right after I sell my house to afford all those dope ass pouches lol
Love the mods, adding this one to my playlist! Subbed
Thanks for watching!
badass little setup. I need to breath new life into my old medium ALICE
Alice ain’t ready to be put out to the pasture yet
"And I know what you're thinking ...."
I don't think you do. Cause if you did, there would've been banana hammocks & tassels in this demo.
😂
Tactical Tailor makes an IV Pouch that tucks in between the frame and kidney pad. I store snacks in mine.
Snacks are a must have item, thanks for watching!
Your pack has pubic hair?
Absolutely
It's a merkin!
I really hope your channel blows up! There's a lot of people who've not done this kind of work and whould be very unprepared for actual work. You're dropping real knowledge for the masses and young soilders. Keep it up!
I got the ILBE to replace my army issued ruck and love it. Why do you choose the ALICE over the Marine issued?
Just because the marine issue one is prone to breaking. The frame breaks under heavy loads over time, as well as the shoulder buckles on the top. They always tear off when you need them most, and you have to walk however far with all of your weight on one shoulder.
Thank you for watching!
@TheGruntPerspective Thanks for the heads up. It's funny you mentioned the straps. I haven't had any issues but it's been a couple times when loaded down it seemed a bit fragile, but it's held up so I just figured it was me being paranoid. I'll start looking for a replacement.
@@Dogsoldier12B can’t go wrong with a large alice, or malice pack if it’s in your budget
Thanks for sharing. Awesome info. Iv'e recently retired my UCP ruck and have _recommissioned_ my ancient ALICE pack and have been trying to think of some ways to modernize it. NGL, I'm just going to straight up copy what you did and go from there.
_Edit_ : I award you one sub.
Thanks for watching! I have a tutorial on how to do this on instagram as well.
Love the videos!
To help with the 2 GP pouches take a piece of 550 and tie a large knot on one side. Slide it through the metal grommet at the bottom then tie that down to the bag or frame if they have the metal drain holes.
CMC reading list has great reference on loads, march, & combat training. BUT COs wont read and learn. 6000cuin is just stupid. how much does the extra straps, buckles, weigh? extra big, fill it with crap you won't need. rigged my large alice to work w/o full frame, added 2 extra alice pack pockets , rigger made claymore pouch. aircraft first aid kit stiched on. had riggers make up spie rigs to keep rigged into 782 belt gear. wanter big so i would not have to dump entire pack. an early malice type circa 84. at the time we still teams. scrounged enought kit to outfit the 12 marines in the sub teams for fighting. sleep pads cut to add to straps, 782 belt. then the inspection kit for the remf inspections. the thing seems to always be pack everything you will need for year on your back, out for a week.
when the line crossing WOs came into the teams, they began to destory the entire show.
What are the general contents of this ruck?
Well in this specific video? A bunch of bullshit to give it some form. In the future I plan to do a ruck load-out video though!
Keep It Coming brother I look forward to your videos I always pick up a couple trinkets of knowledge
Absolute W channel
Inside? Ammo, ammo, and ammo
And water of course
Where did you find 2 qt canteen pouches that face the same direction?
I just put the canteen in there backwards
literally came here to ask the same question ha
@@TheGruntPerspective Oh ok. I thought Maybe they were different pouches than standard 2 qt USGI. Nice work. Im in the process of modding mine
Gibson's tactical make 2qt pouches that face opposite
Appreciate your style! Simple, explanatory, to the point. Subd for sure.
I know the Army will allow different equipment to be used as my grandson is Army infantry and used the heck out of the USMC 3 day pack I gave him. With other soldiers offering him $$$ to try and buy it off him.
From my 17+ years in the Marines and further 19 years working for the Marines as a civilian, you are NOT allowed to use anything aside from gear the Corps issues you.
It seems to be widely acceptable now, with the exception of PPE, glad we finally came to our senses
@@TheGruntPerspective It must be something new and possibly unit specific. When I retired from civil service at the EEAP in 2015 I had seen zero flexibility with any of the units that came through. And in those 19 years I saw EVERY grunt unit in the Corps come through multiple times for training.
As of my exit in 2022, units on the east coast haven’t had free reign to do whatever they want. I can really only speak of my experience at my unit, but it seemed very heavily controlled from the top. You will get a leader from time to time that allows a bit of wiggle room but the big hand always comes down and squashes it. If it makes sense, the Corps doesn’t do it.
Hey man, this is probably the best SOP set up video I've ever seen. Being a prior 0351 section leader, it would have been awesome to have this kind of knowledge modeled for us. Quick question on the bungees, do you use any particular length that you know of for securing the isomat, the 2qt canteen carriers, etc? Semper fi brother.
Thank you for the support! As far as the bungee cords, I think all mot mine are about 3 feet long or so? I’m not sure, for the iso mat I have to wrap them twice so some shorter ones would probably work better for that
Dude your vid’s have been awesome. Any issues with the creaking and groaning of straps mounting to the frame? I recently switched to the Lbt Version of the tt malice pack and my only complaint is the constant creaking of the frame straps etc. any suggestions?
Hockey tape on the frame works great
Any plans of making a video on a waist/war/battle belt set up?
I’ve already got one! Check out my channel!
Will you show how to actually wear all of your gear with armor? I mever understood how to wear all of that.
yes please
1:01 "I'm putting out as much as I can..."...that's what she said 😎
Nasty guy
Interesting mods and I'm sure they work for you but for the $$$ you got into accessories, you could have bought a high speed, low drag rig from Eberlestock or Mystery Ranch for the same coin.
Nah, crossfire is where its at.
Re: your concern about noise at 10:30- no problem whatsoever. Your sound quality and spoken clarity is A+.
Thank you!
Well done brother! Semper Fi! A full breakdown of your loadout with this pack would be awesome when you can. Thanks! 🇺🇸💪🏼🇺🇸
I like bergens. Popular European mil backpack style. Removable side pouches you can make a daypack out of.
Definitely very cool feature
I’ve found my self using and incorporating more and more Alice equipment into my setups and I’m glad to know I’m not the only one. My team looks at me like I’m crazy
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
I've come to appreciate how easy alice clips are to transfer from one piece of gear to the next as compared to molle
This definitely brings it to the next level. I used the straps and kidney pad from fire force tactical though for money reasons. Looks like there's more work to do.
Sound quality is much improved! Such a solid channel. helpful information
That’s awesome glad to hear that! Thanks for watching!
I’ve enjoyed all your videos. I didn’t know those TT frames were still available. Cool. This is likely the most sensible ALICE mods I’ve ever seen. Good job.
What kind of buckles did you utilize for those mods? The metal hardware is my main issue with the old school packs and will be my first upgrade for the one just acquired.
I just used some extra repair buckles I had laying around
12:26 I'm just as addicted to getting more gear... haha Awesome Mods to this pack! Thanks for sharing.
Good and helpful video. Be nice if you could include links to the specific gear, especially the frame, hip belt and shoulder straps.
Can you do a more in depth video of where you got the frame and suspension and a closer look on how you mounted everything like a close up look it would be greatly appreciated i really want to build one of these
The frame attaching is very straightforward, if you buy one you can’t fuck it up
How comfortable is this? Does the upgrades make this medium alice and or large alice comfortable for long rucks compared standard alice frame?
The straps, belt, and frame is a huge comfort upgrade. All the pouches and stuff don’t make a difference though
Nice, your lid has that weird lining like mine.
When do we get an updated video of whats in it?
HE FINALLY GOT A MICROPHONE.
Just for you brother
So, why not go with a Large version? Pros and cons I know but with as much exterior pouches I had to ask. I have carried both in service and opted to buy the large for my civi gear stash. Amazing mods and creativity on your modernization, you provided some great ideas for me, thx.
I’ve used a large, and I have a malice pack right now for if I need more then this. But i go for the medium whenever I can just for the sake of having a smaller and lighter pack
We do a little trolling
Outstanding video and outstanding job on the pack. I will emulate this. I have a small pack but just got a medium like this. Will become my main squeeze
riggers are your friends!! loved my large alice with some of the same mod (from the 80s) strap to tighten down. same with MALICE. like being able to dig gear out without dumping other gear.
Awesome mods man, big fan of alice packs especially for the average joe
Thanks for watching!
Keep going!
Aye aye
We buy these to make kits for our guys
Definitely an expensive pack, but the Tac Tailor Rhino pack is a modern malice pack and its phenomenal
Cool vid
Great setup! We would love to send you one of out Fortitude frames to try out! shoot us a line brother
Thank you! Hit you up on instagram!
Keep up the good work!!
Where did you get your malice frame, straps and belt?
Tactical tailor
I add a grab handle. to the top of the ruck frame . Thank You for Your Service !!!!!!! .
Thanks for watching!
OV Innovations makes a really nice grab handle.
I’m going to build my large Alice like this well except for the middle pouch I can’t do that cause I have the large and there is little pockets there
Thanks for watching!
@@TheGruntPerspective crazy I used to hate rucking in the military but now that I’m out I enjoy being able to pack what I want and not have to just pack for weight lol
Super pack mods. Very useful information.
Love your videos, please keep them coming!
He used to drive a Cadillac