VODCAST | Nasser, Key & Atherton discuss England’s selections for the upcoming West Indies Test tour
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2022
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Rob Key joined Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton to look at England’s selections for the upcoming West Indies Test tour, and notably the dropping of James Anderson and Stuart Broad.
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Just popped in to watch Atherton and Nasser speak. Keep these vodcasts going. A bliss for cricket lovers
Agreed Vishnoo Bhai Saheb! United in our love of our great game!
Would have been hilarious if you'd mistyped pooped instead of popped
I love it when you hear people who's professional lives were (and still are) dedicated to English cricket, expressing some real, cold hard truths. I think every England fan will agree with so much of what's being said, and it's all coming from the heart and completely without any external agendas. I just want to know who's decision it was to drop Broad and Anderson from the squad for the upcoming Windies series, and more importantly WHY, because I don't agree with it, exactly as the guys said.
@@jeffstevens4262 whose
@@robrees8207 Correct.
YESSSSSSSS Thank you Sky Sports Cricket for keeping these vodcasts with my favorite analysts coming!!!! Really missed these since the Ashes concluded
Let’s be honest. Most of the time this is better than the cricket itself.
Absolutely
Yep.
Definitely. I can't wait for the aftermath of our next ashes defeat.
So true. The chemistry and banter between them is also amazing. It’s better when Ian Ward is not hosting as although he is very good at his job you end up loosing the fun side of things.
@@littlejohnnyturtle8770 which will be in England and probably 0-3 with a couple of draws
It's worth looking at that transfer from Harmison and Hoggard to Anderson and Broad. In the memory there was that point on tour to New Zealand, when the bold decision was made to drop our leading bowlers for two youngsters, but it wasn't really like that. Through 2007 and 2008 our best bowlers were none of them, Sidebotham and Panesar were our best performers. Harmison and Hoggard had been averaging in the high thirties in 2007, and got one wicket each in the first New Zealand test, and were dropped, Broad and Anderson got 8 apiece in the next two. Anderson had been in and out of the side for four years, and he was ready to go, outperforming Hoggard, which is why he never played again. Harmison actually played several more times, when fit, without any consistency till 2009.
The difference now is that Broad and Anderson are still performing, they are not fading, they should not have protected places, but it is up to players to take their place on merit. If Archer and Stone were available then they would have tougher competition. The reality of that squad is the likeliest starting line up for the bowlers is Woakes, Robinson, Wood and Leach. That's not a fresh start, it's the attack we put out at Brisbane.
Excellent points their mate. We all know what this is about. This is Joe root not liking constructive criticism and making those voices a scapegoat for his poor and lame leadership. Root needs to inspire his fellow craftsman and not blame another department for the collective shortcomings.
Thank you skysports for making it available in India. You guys have the best analysts/commentators and an amazing social media person for listening to us.
Sky and SuperSport best
Yes bro
I can hear Mike and Nas for hours at strech and never get tired. They are brilliant
Ahhhh!!!!
The art of agreeing to disagree...
Never boring to hear these guys. Keep doing...
Thoroughly enjoyed the depth of analysis by all 3 gentlemen, especially Nasser - I agree with every word that he said here. I always look forward to these vodcasts. Keep them coming! (From a West Indian).
We’ve lost 9 test matches all year, we’ve been absolutely trounced in the ashes and have been at best embarrassing…. Let’s drop our best 2 bowlers, that might change things
Spot on! England aren’t good enough to “play for the future” by dropping their two best bowlers. I agree with Nick Compton, Broad should have taken over from Root, not been dropped
@UCUvE80WGZszVJjmHRrZ0eZQ sadly, it probably won’t! I always hate how they value some series over others. Maybe with a new permanent DoC and coach…
Joe Root is full of Spite and Blame.
Broad is 35. Anderson is 39. They are yesterday's men. Time to move on.
@@robertmason6366 well he's certainly full of something......
Enjoyed that. Re. Coaches would like to see Collingwood take the one day side until Morgan retires and then have Morgan to move upstairs. On the test side my favourite is Ponting. Re. Broad and Anderson, I think they should have been in the squad with the understanding that other seamers would be taking the new ball and ask them to help them become the next England greats.
You guys are too good. I can hear for days to your guys without being bored.
🤣🤣🤣
Nasser, Key & Arthur Askey, always an interesting discussion
Spot on 😂
Where's me washboard??
Hardly uplifting talk. Don't mind Atherton though.
That's a reference for over 50s only! 🤣
Arthur who?
Completely agree with Keys re: Butler captaincy. The problem is, it should have happened when Cook retired.
Performance is not a big issue in relation to captaincy, as Morgan has been very average with the bat since he was captain, but his captaincy outweighs his performances with the bat.
Yet since Eoin Morgan's batting form has dropped, that team has started to struggle too. Jos needs to take over that team and Eoin needs to coach it.
@@christianfrost8660 That's interesting since his interview in The Cricketer, he seems to have a pinpoint vision of what he wants and it sounded extremely in tune with coaching/managerial role and I'd be very interested to see him in that. Could happen
Jos Butler is he a great leader? Doesn’t seem it on the field
@@jakehowie442 Based on what?
@@lucas198 eyesight and stats
Key is an underrated analyst. Brilliant points.
I think Rob makes some excellent points, particularly about Anderson and Broad mopolising the new ball. It sends a strong message to the newcomers: you're not first or second change. You're leading the attack. So lead. If you don't, you're out. I'm still not completely convinced that they should have left them out altogether, but I'm starting to be open to Straussy's decision.
still feelin open about it?
@@bloom7117 Yes, I'm still open to it. It's not something that'll yield immediate results; indeed, it's not intended to. It'll be interesting to see if Rob is still open to it though.
Pope gets picked for series but David malan got dropped..
That's a harsh call by ECB
Add Crawley to the list too.
Malan's Mrs had a child during the last test I'm sure its probably to do with that and not performance related
Pope should be dropped...he's got countless chances with frankly very little returns
How old is Pope compared to Malan? Too many older players in the test reckoning is bad news.
This 1 hr vodcast is equivalent to 1 year management learning..
Great stuff sky cricket.
@alex K Rude and untrue!
Brilliant to listen.
Keep these in depth analysis coming. KEEP THEM.
This is one of the best cricket debates I've heard in a while, some really passionate points of view being made from Nasser, Athers and Key.
Great discussion - keep them coming please!
Agree entirely with Nas, the most important game is the next game.
It is such a pleasure listening to the thoughtful views of Keys, Nasser Hussain and Atherton. And kudos to Sky Sports for not pandering to the lowest common denominator in order to increase clicks.
What a game of discussion absolute loved it...
Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain are diamonds of commentary.
This is the best cricket analysis show today... to the point, frank, take no-sides , not even the side of their employers. Amazing
Brilliant as always. Could listen to them talk about the history of crocheting & be thoroughly enthralled. Only wish we had similar here in Australia.
You've got Ian Chappell. Gotta love the bloke. Gives it to you straight.
@@peternagy-im4be He has his moments.
Fantastic, that's the word. Wish we had such analysis & pure cricket talk in India.
Pick your best team for each game one at a time, depending on the conditions at that time. Pick your best players for a squad. Add a couple of new players.
It's almost as if the ECB regard the West Indies tour as effectively a "Lions Plus" tour - take some new players and see how they do.
Loving the friendly heated moments between you lot. keep it all coming chaps.
Hussain is spot on, treat each test like it's the most important.
Being Australian these 3 are top class to listen too. Really enjoyable, hope they continue and England get back on track.
Excellent gentlemen I look forward to these discussions
Absolutely loved these guys and their analysis theri voices are melodic ❤
Literally the best thing on Sky....brilliant, thanks lads 👍
Excellent discussion keep them coming
I was very impressed by Paul Collingwood defending the players after Ashes and how just getting through these tours in last couple of years has been a big achievement. You need that kind of backing and he has been around the team so he could be a good option. Lot more has been made of health of English cricket. Looking at shorter formats and U19s in general it is not that bad.
While it is good to know that he is behind his players and supporting them. It’s still no excuse for a very poor Ashes performance. Yes England have played a lot of tests and been in bubbles the last 18 months or so. But look at India. They have been playing more and touring everywhere the last 12-18 months and having success everywhere except South Africa.
Sky sports is doing a wonderful job nasser my favorite cricket analyst
Love this vodcast. Brilliant flow
These three personalities mesh so well. Nasser brings the charm, Atherton is cool, calm and collected and Rob is the fiery, grumpy one who says what's on his mind. And collectively, all engaging and hilarious. I would actually love to hear from their wives on one of these calls, just to the stories about all the shenanigans and tantrums and sacrifices that were made when they were all on the come-up.
Nasser brings the charm? First time i have ever heard that.
I love these Vodcasts..keep me coming
Are Sky showing the West Indies series..?
Brilliant chat. If I was in charge of English cricket I would make Gary Kirsten and Allan Donald the coaches, but that’s just my opinion.
In the past, most of the test players have played an Ashes series then not played again for England until the start of the summer season. So I think it’s a very good idea to look at new players for when Jimmy and Stuart aren’t available anymore. Give the 2 of them a rest and pick them again in the first test match of the summer.
From 10.00 onwards, really interesting given where Rob Key is now, as the conversation here has become reality and he obviously took much of this on board although Key is intelligent enough to have formed his own thoughts going forward. Listen from 21.30 too.
Nasser is absolutely spot on RE Broad and Anderson. If the idea has been "the long term solutions" for the last 2 years, well that just clearly has not worked. The priority for right now, should be to fix the team right now. Right now, no seamers regularly come close to these two.
This is real cricket discussion and analysis
More of this!!! Love these pods
So easy to watch this for an hour and not get bored cant say the same with many sport or esport podcasts.
Seeing Joe Root just makes you appreciate Morgan. I mean no doubt he was a pretty bad batsman but his leadership skills are incredible
Great convo from these 3, especially brilliant from 43:25 onwards
its always good value from the sky sport cricket pieces
Strauss is astute. He’s making the right call blooding new players in the Windies. Broad and Anderson will be needed in the summer so they will come back rested.
I love this trio.
Wish they had discussed the other issues around selection. I'd have liked to hear their views on Foakes, an untested opening pair, the new bowlers coming in.
Honestly I could listen to these 3 for 6 hrs and wouldn't get bored..
Have always loved Nas and Ath as players and analysts. Never really liked Key as a player but I must say he has really impressed me on this vodcast. Spoke a lot of sense. Maybe England should be knocking on his door as coach!
Agreed, and looked whats happened!
hi from Australia. gud to c u guys bak. hopefully we will c u doing the WI tour.
Mental that Anderson and Broad are not in the squad ahead of Overton and Woakes (away from home). I get preparing for the future but you can do it with them in the squad. You can play one of them at a time or whatever you want to do but they are still brilliant, especially Anderson imo
Great discussion
Looking back on this. Rob Key is a genius 🤣
These are always great.
I think agreeing to disagree on certain topics is what makes this vodcast interesting. And best part is both sides is neither right or wrong. Valid points.
Love how Nas and Athers take a trip on Rob Key after his serious rants 😂
It is so good to hear former cricketers talking their hearts out and being absolutely honest with their views on the board, the players, coaches, the captain. What is wrong is wrong for them. In India we don't get to hear such analysis. All we hear in India is propaganda
yup, its deeply embedded in the indian psyche to cheerlead players or be abnormally positive towards them. any less than positive review is more often than not taken as an insult.
as in indian society, not psyche. reputation is taken way too seriously.
Brilliant as usual boys 👏👏👏
I can listen to Rob Key rant all day. He's a national treasure.
53:24 might well've been the moment the lightbulb finally went on in Keysie's head!
There are obvious weaknesses in the system. We draw from a small pool of public schoolboys for the backbone of the side. There must be a huge pool of undeveloped potential in state schools. Agreed there have been attempts to introduce cricket to state schools ( Chance to Shine ) but more must be done if we are to stay as one of the top 2 or 3 nations.
I agree 👍 totally understand this India is been doing this Equal opportunity a must no favourites sorry to say
Is it the responsibility of the schools only? I don't think so. It's the responsibility of parents to encourage and nurture their kids to love the game. And then to make sacrifices to ferry them around to their local club side.
I grew up with a guy who played all formats for England. His Dad was the groundsman at our local club and had a house behind the outfield...he grew up in the nets with older boys. His father was a natural sportsman, as was his grandfather. He was the perfect mix of being genetically gifted and exposed to the game ( and other ball games).
I'd be all in favor of reducing choice at state schools.
Football and rugby in the winter. Cricket and athletics in the summer.
Softball, volleyball, basketball etc in England? Odd
@@krisscollins4919 Having worked for over 40 years in deprived area schools the vast majority of kids could not afford to join clubs or be ferried around by parents. The sporting talent was immense but nearly all of them fell away on entering secondary schools. We had more than 15 school teams in a large number of sports in the 70s and 80s. Now they are lucky to play a match in anything never mind after school clubs.
@@krisscollins4919 Hales ?
As Riicky Ponting rightly says, Joe Root is not a cricket captain at all, let alone an international captain. Unfortunately, I think he may well be be the least able on-field captain England have ever had. If he actually makes a good decision, it is always commented upon because it is so unusual!
England's batting has been the main issue. The solution? Drop the two best bowlers and retain batters who have rarely made double figures because of their 'potential'. Makes perfect sense. I hope it proves effective. On the other hand, meet the new boss ... same as the old boss!
Not really he’s more of a captain than Flintoff or Pietersen were
@@jakehowie442 LOL!! True! But then that’s not much of a benchmark!
Root has next to no leadership qualities. It’s a shame he’s in that spot. I don’t dislike the guy; clearly the best batter England have got but he is NOT leadership material.
England’s bowling attack is their only positive at this point, but they do need a more stable, confident spinner and Leach was treated rather poorly in the Ashes.
Leave the bowling alone; their batting order needs a serious shake up and they need to know wtf they’re doing with Stokes
Leach is pretty crap if im honest, he can’t hold an end, as in bowl tidy and keep scoring low…
Also can’t get wickets, even when it’s turning
Leach is s...e..
Woow love this podcast
We can literally listen to them for hours
A fantastic hour spent and you can kinda agree with Key that Jimmy and Stuart need to be phased out and with Athers and Hussain that they should have been kept for this next series.
If I can't finish this in one go, I would be watching it in intervals of time but I will be completing it eventually and that's how interesting their conversation is!
Top class... thanks guys, greetings from Vietnam, what about our team, the Nha Trang dream breakers
Love these shows.
Look forward to these vodcasts more than the actual cricket. The opinions and views represent cricketing intelligence of a very high degree.
I agree with Nass. We have to play every test match like it’s the most important..Not 6 months ahead..We need a captain with a more attacking mind..Thanks lads, enjoyed the pod cast..
As a West Indies fan, I can see Andrew Strauss taking the role full time. He will then decide on spilt coaches too. Just a gut feeling
He won't, though. The very reason for him to take the role of Director on an 'interim basis' is because he needs to give more time to his young family, having lost his wife to cancer four years ago.
@@soumyashreebiswal14 His “young family” is not so young now ! I think he will take this on full time !! At his age he needs to have a role !
@@wendycarter5718 He said himself just a few days ago in an interview that he can't take this role full-time citing personal reasons. We can't argue much with that, now can we?
Excellent and an honest analysis as always. But I don't think England has a heavier schedule than India. Of course England plays a lot of test matches. But as a whole, I feel India is the busiest cricket team in the world.
And all these talks about non availability of coaches in England, pretty sure Nas and Athers themselves would be amazing coaches. Not sure what's stopping them.
Anyways, looking forward to more such analysis. Such a pleasure listening to them.
@@jimmyodriscoll9273 india played only 14 tests last year . So maths is right. However same players play more t20s and ODIs and in addition to IPLs. So it is a posh tosh .
Fantastic video
Kevin Pietersen for England coach
The only good thing about English cricket is these Vodcasts ngl
Yesss. I have been waiting for it.
Damn man ....Bring back Sky Sports Cricket globally ....
How many other countries split coaches? If I recall it didn’t work that well for England last time they tried it.
Strauss saw off possibly England,s best ever batsman in Kevin Pieterson and now he,s given our great fast bowlers in Broad and Anderson the elbow. Key talks rubbish about Anderson and Broad whilst Atherton and Nasser show them deserved respect.
Best vodcast out there!!
At 40.10 Key says Anderson didn't come in bang it took years. Anderson took a 5for in his first test.
Brilliant Vodcast . Thanks Sky Sports
Broad and Anderson are the best men for the job, whilst they're still playing well we should use (in a playing sense) them as much as they are able to be used, because whilst there still going strong we need them. I would like to however, pose a question? Is it that they are both difficult to manage? Or, is it an issue with Joe root's insecurities, does he feel that because they are legends, his influence is diminished within the team?!
Please do more of this 🙏
The strangest thing about the Broad and Anderson decision to me is that… sure pick the young lads. But wouldn’t you want your elder statesmen around to mentor and guide? Windies can be a hard side to play at home, I can see this going very pear shaped 😬
Yes, don’t want to sound like the profit of doom but it may get worse before it gets better. It’s a long road back from here for the test side. Playing devils advocate, will this ‘red ball re-set’ be at the expense of the white ball game and then in 2032, England announce a ‘white ball re-set’ as they did in 2015. The demise of the test side crept up on the ECB in that time.
I can't remember England winning in the West Indies and they won't win this series. Nothing to do with which bowlers may or may not be selected. It's the batting which will continuously fail to deliver. Broad and Anderson are yesterday's men.
I agree that it’s time to plan to move on. But surely you have them part of the squad. Broad still out bowls them.
Batters is a massive issue, can’t see that being fixed until they start producing better county conditions.
@@jonathansugumar807 batsmen are a major issue
It’ll never happen but I wonder how Eoin Morgan would get on if he was given the coach position for Tests (or for all forms if he wanted to give up playing). They could certainly have done with his captaincy and it’s not like he’d have been much worse with the bat than some of the guys who have managed to get in…
It’s frankly a worry that England’s best fast bowling is still Broad & Anderson after 20 years! In most (good) teams younger & better bowlers come through and replace them.
I've been saying the same for a while and Archer was a blatant poach... Australia who have a tiny percentage of the population we do, seem to have a conveyor belt of fast bowlers. And when we do get a decent fast bowler they are constantly injured or we break them like Archer because we don't know how to handle them properly!
I can see some logic to Broad and Anderson getting dropped, though I'm not certain it's still the right thing to do. Strauss is temporarily in charge, probably only got this series along with Collingwood and Root. In the past I think the policy of planning selections 6 months to a year down the line was wrong and didn't make sense. But actually now, during this brief period where a reset is happening this does seem like the moment to take a look at the future. I don't think you learn anything new playing Broad and Anderson in the Windies. You know they're both proven talents. You do learn something by asking some of the players that have been in and around squads for the last few years to step up and take charge. If they don't show any signs of being worthwhile then they get discarded for at least the short to medium term back to county cricket. It also gives the incoming new management a chance to see how these players perform to help inform their future plans and selections.
Top show👍🏼👊🏼
You lads were one short today, where can I sign for joining as a guest when you’re one short in the future? :)
For the Graeme smith point; Tom Haines left hand opener captaining his team, scoring hundreds at around 22/23
He had popped up on my radar too.
Don’t ruin my mate Tom
@@powerllesss2672 What do you mean ruin? It should be every batsman's goal to break into the England test team, which right now has never been easier.
These guys are brilliant and such fun 😘😀😀😀
Like the Cricket vodcast, keep them coming 👍🏏
Loving the conversation and Nasser's extensive Barbara Cartland collection. Does Mo not get a look in as a red ball captain?