The final Ashes Vodcast! | Key, Nasser, Atherton and Ward reflect on the 2022 Ashes Series
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Nasser Hussain, Michael Atherton, Rob Key and Ian Ward sat down to discuss England’s Ashes debacle, and to offer some solutions for the issues they face in red-ball cricket
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This vodcast lasted longer than England's batting.
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And Bowling lool .
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You guys should've included Djokovic in this vodcast, it took Australia 2 weeks to get him out.
England's new test coach but can't be the bowling coach cause he might support the half volley
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Nice one
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BEST Comment! 😂😂
You can listen to these guys for hours and not be bored.
Nasser is incredible with his language skills. he can easily be a great author I recon.
Exactly
@@larskefka3373 language skills? lol
Mark Wood was the stand out man. He bowled his heart out whenever he was given the ball. That dude has the heart of a LION.
Agree with this, hasn't been given any credit
He was excellent his ability to stay fit and injury free has helped England so much in terms of having a fast guy who's reliable.
Thanks for your insightful and well articulated cricket views.
As an Australian supporter there is the pleasure of beating the old enemy. But also there's a sadness that the Ashes excitement from great competitive English teams and players has been absent for so long. Those monumental competitions are the ones that become etched in the sports lover's memory, bring the most prised and valued victories.
As for Nasser Hussain, Michael Atherton and Rob Key I'm glad they're not on the ECB board. They would bring too much common sense that might make England overly competitive.
As an Australian, I really do enjoy listening to English commentators’ analysis of a match/series. They tend to be more insightful than Australian commentators (Ricky Ponting the exception). In saying that, you don’t need many words to describe this series for the English, just the word abysmal would suffice.
When I see the Australian coverage, it always seems like it's just a laugh and all they do is talk about funny anecdotes from when they were playing
@@johnh5424 Yeah Aussie commentators ON Aus channels(different to BT) are FAR more brutal than the English. It feels like English are really really neutral, regardless of how well they're doing. Almost to a fault. Just this afternoon I heard Junior saying 'You'd frighten the Poms even now!' The English are too polite. Too political correct.
Oh I am Australian too and this would be painful beyond belief had we lost. Easy to enjoy when your on the winner side
its always fun to listen to pain and agony of opposition team media and ex players after the win.
@@realMaverickBuckley absolutely correct
"The pink ball test we allegedly win but never do" LMAO Nas
🤣🤣 second time I've heard him say that ... savage
England have historically done well and dominated in Pink ball tests...they haven't lost any pink ball test apart from this series in Adelaide and Hobart!!
Incorrect
Probably won't miss the series but sure will miss these vodcasts.
Don't worry I don't think sky have the rights fir the West indies vs England series. So you should get some more vodcasts
Agree
@@ads2686 I’m not sure. BT might have the rights for a while. Even if Sky don’t have the rights to show it we’ll still get these brilliant vodcasts during the series in the Caribbean and beyond.
I like Rob's thoughts on the structure of the season. That makes perfect sense. I cannot see any reason why that shouldn't be done
This is the most brilliant Vodcast. Ward hosts it very well by asking the right questions. Long may this continue.
Oh yes. Was waiting for all this since yesterday. Can listen to Nas and Athers all day. Key and Wardy are very good too. And the sad part is English batting didn't last as long as this vodcast. And I have a question, why don't these vodcasts reach England team and help them make a better decision ? Surely, Joe Root has to watch this.
I would imagine the players don't bother looking outside of their bubble for help.
It’s a shame that someone like Atherton doesn’t become an advisor to the test team. I think we should make more use of our former players, especially the world class players like Cook, KP etc.
Agreed - same mistakes, yet these 3 clearly know the issues and should be used
@@mrkipling2201 not together . i think KP and Cook are not on terms
If Jack leach wasnt played in the first test and England conceded 400 runs with over rate problem. The same guys would be telling why they didn't pick him lol. In hindsight there are many things you can point out but it is not correct
There was optimism going in to this series, but anybody that's watched England in tests over the past 2 years realistically knew we never really had a chance. This was a whitewash in all but scoreline
4-0 is still a whitewash, even if rain denied Australia the one wicket required to make it 5-0
4.9 - 0………..🤷♂️
@@BuzzLightyear9999 Grade cricketers
@@toria261 😉
I was happy to be able to watch SA India series that finished few days ago, nice to watch competitive test cricket and forget about the embarrassing shambolic England debacle.
More than the test match was waiting for this panel to discuss what happened 🤘🏻 thanks sky 😄
Most Aussies like me feel a little the same, really glad we won an Ashes series easily - but a bit disappointed there wasn’t really any competition.
Trouble is, England's just not in a good geographical location to play cricket. It was minus 2 at midday today. Maybe 10 to 12 weeks a year tops of Cricketing weather IF you can keep the pitch playable. So with how soft kids are and how whet parents are these days they just play Football and a bit of Rugby. 80/ 90 mins.. job done. Only 1% of Schools play cricket and just under 40% of clubs that existed in 2002 , exist now. Its really sad.
We are a shambles currently “led” by a crap coach, poor captain and a back room staff that should quit now!
The amount of cricket in state schools is criminally low
We even gave them 4 pitches made just for them 😂
@@64offsuiter There's virtually no competitive sport at all in state schools in England. Even sports days aren't allowed to be competitive!... If you look at the England Cricket and Rugby Union teams, a lot of the players come from privates schools... Private schools are propping up our international teams in many sports. Grassroots and local club sports have gone even further downhill with the pandemic, with investment cuts and the government is not interested in making sport more important in our state schools so its only going to get worse. You only have to look at participation going down every year to see that Cricket, Rugby Union and a few other 'National' sports are facing extinction in the near future if drastic groundbreaking changes aren't made now!
going to miss this … you guys have been fantastic !
The ideas Rob Key throws in are worth listening to. I enjoy these vodcasts because of him. He's top class.
big forehead is not worth...0
These vodcasts are unmissable. Just love Rob Keys passion and he talks alot of sense 👏
1 hour...oh yes! The only thing more disappointing to me than English batting was the fact that a batter got the MC medal. Like there were so many options to choose from in the bowling. I personally would've went with Starc.
Nah I feel like in a bowler dominated series a batsman definitely deserved the medal.
In perfect bowling conditions, best batsman should generally get the award in my opinion
Head won two tests himself. I think 4 or 5 players could have got it though.
As much as the series was depressing, I’ve actually been waiting for this. The frustrating thing is that we’ve kept Warner and Smith pretty quiet compared to previous Ashes series, especially in Australia. I hope this is the rock bottom that will see our test team sorted out for the better. The hope is that we see something similar happen to when we were last at rock bottom in the Caribbean in 2009. The difference then was that we had genuinely world class players in KP, Bell, Strauss, Cook, Prior etc. We don’t have that now. It’s going to be a long job and we need to appoint the right coach and people in charge.
Hey, can you tell me why Only Private schools plays cricket and not every other school including public school in England? And why hasn't an effort been made to make cricket accessible to those schools?
@genuine guy ??
I didn’t go to a private school and I still played cricket. At school. Also with my friends in the park and in the nets not far from my house.
Mark Wood was fantastic in this game. Crawley showed promise.
Excellent solution presented by Rob Key and he is spot on with making age group cricket free for all.
Good discussion but he shined today in this debate in his analysis not to say others were not good either.
Was so looking forward to this ! Loving it
These vodcast were more interesting than the ashes.
longer as well
I’ve enjoyed these vodcasts more than the series.
Nasser Hussain you are favorite commentator, I really love your verbal communication skill. Not only that I try to apply this in my corporate life.. Long live NASH…
I love Cricket, I have done since the '05 Ashes but I don't understand how the English Cricket summer is organised, seems to be all over the place. If I knew when games were on & it was structured properly it would be hell of a lot easier to follow. Well said Rob.
It’s not organized. That’s the problem :-)
loving the vodcasts! been great to hear from past english stars. amazing detailed insights on english cricket..
I’m surprised no one mentioned the technical and temperament flaws of the England players.
The SA/ India series saw bowler friendly decks but the batters who succeeded showed good technique and a lot of guts. There was very little of that on display from the English team.
It’s funny coming back to this now given everything that’s happened since.
As usual Athertons points hit the nail on the head.
It was a sprint, prepare and play your best team for the upcoming test. England were not in a position to save certain players for specific test matches.
Really waited till yesterday. Finally here it is! The Best cricket Vodcast!
Just want to mention how good these discussions are, and that is coming from a Norwegian-pakistani cricket fan!
As an Aussie, here is my take :
- At the risk of sounding like captain obvious, it is the batting that is clearly the main issue for England.
- Bowling out Australia for 155, they again had chances in this Test match as they had in every Test, but the batting let them down again.
- The problem was the same in every match, they would have a good batting partnership, 1 player would get out, then the team collapses.
- They just needed to play cautiously and get through the difficult night session, then they could attack the target during the day. They played some bad shots, another batting collapse, game over.
- However, I don't think we can gloat too much. We have a good record here in our conditions but we haven't won in England since 2001.
- England can fix their red ball cricket. They have shown with white ball cricket and the olympics, if they really want to focus on fixing something, they can do it.
Don't think we are different in Australia when it comes to the Ashes. While losing other series is bad, losing the Ashes is devastating. The worse you lose the more Catastrophic is is!
I would hate to see Test Match cricket gone. I recently wrote a piece about a guy that had our local Country Pub in South Australia. Jack Manning never played test cricket but played Lancashire league and County Cricket in England. He played for Northamptonshire and became great mates with Frank Tyson. He would tell stories of the great times he had in England and with the Aussie touring sides there.
The Ashes is more than winning and losing, it's about giving our future young cricketers the opportunity to make lifelong friends and experience that the Ashes represent. Both our countries share a love/hate relationship. We both absolutely love winning the Ashes, and absolutely hate losing them! It's a tradition that we must keep!
Quite understandably, there is never a mention of the lack of terrestrial tv coverage of Test Match cricket. Think back to 2005 and the nation was gripped due to Channel 4 broadcasting the matches live and the grounds were full! That is when young cricketers get inspired.
They won't mention it, it's a sky vodcast...
I just wonder, having listened to these well thoughtout and well expressed comments, why am I hearing all this again! Why are people like these not listened to and another structure put in place ? How often have we heard these discussions over the years - as fans, we deserve better. Is it that we have those at the top that are not up to it?
I absolutely LOVE this group, hopefully Sky Sports keep them for all TEST series that England plays.
Thank you guys, please bring an episode for Australia vs England Women Test match too!
Looks like the books behind Nasser havent moved at all
You can see why Rob Key got the job as Managing Director for England, very passionate about it all.
As an Aussie, I would just have liked to see England fight it out a bit more in the 5th test.
Was waiting for this vodcast impatiently
Great vodcast, love listening to this panel. England are a shambles but I do believe we have the players and talent to be much more competitive and challenge against better teams. It could actually be an exciting time ahead......however we are run horrendously by incompetent management including Giles, Silverwood, and Root. Under them there will be no progress!
Short term thinking is sometimes useful. When I first got into cricket Thorpe was out of the team with personal problems. Thorpe was 34 and had played 79 tests, a lot of people thought it was time to move onto the future with the team Vaughan was building (Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood and Strauss had yet to debut). They brought Thorpe back, he got a hundred in the last test against SA, four more and an average of 56 for the remainder of his career.
*I am well aware there isn't a Graham Thorpe lurking in the shadows of county cricket.
Love Rob Key’s ideas near the end of the video. Totally agree with it.
Nasser seems like he's about to cry. So bloody passionate! Would any of these guys be willing to take the head coaching job? They've clearly got the brains for it.
Hello everyone... I am a huge cricket fan and i still wanna watch TEST cricket on any other format...Luv it simply
These are valuable contributions by experienced, articulate and intelligent former players who are passionate about the health and success of cricket in England. Stimulating and enjoyable fare for cricket-lovers everywhere.
As a Test Cricket fan, I just loved the insights!
What I was waiting for!
Four sensible guys with a deep love for the game. Let's hope the ECB is listening. Please keep up these vodcasts.
Been waiting for this since Hobart finished! Never clicked so hard 😂
keys love his cricket he is so passionate about England's cricket ..
Hi All great vodcast, very honest and to the point. As an Aussie our team has it's problems, mainly in the batting. But one point that think is not being considered is the 2019 Ashes.
We very confident of winning that series we didn't want a draw it we expected to win it. England forcing a draw has hidden so of the problems in English cricket and made our boys more determined to win
Aussie here..... the analysis is great... good to always hear the perspective of the opposition. Delivered perfectly and professionally. I hope the ECB listens... as much as as I love the aussie victory... i still think the value is in the competition.... one sided series are only so fun.. ........
I love the passion from nasser and Rob. They really care about the game as much as the fans , maybe even more
Definitely care more than fans since they themselves have represented England
@@Teeps1921 probably, although it's impossible to know.
Nasser and Keys have something on Stuart Broad. Showed his class and they're still having a pop
@UChXiHyxjZFJ47LaBc8XFSlA I don't care if he's not liked, his figures in 3 tests are better than anyone else on tour, even woods. Don't get this attitude towards him, truly beeildering.
It’s finally here 🙏
Good suggestions from Keys on restructuring the county game.
Finally was waiting for it eagerly 🤟🤟
One can keep listening to these discussions without being bored a bit. Nasser is just brilliant. ❤️
Crawley , Root , Stokes ( when fit ) and Bairstow were the only batters I'd keep on . Wood , Broad , Anderson ( when fit ) for the bowlers ...
Brilliant from Rob at the end with the ideas for county cricket
It's not just in this series as well is it. We always say the right things about 'learning from our mistakes' while making the same mistakes in india away and the same mistakes vs NZ and arguably India at home as well
The amount of criticism and love for cricket could be seen in the face of these people is Amazing. They are just brutal honest can’t see anyone bashing there team like this in India.
@starsports we need something like this
The fans do the bashing instead 🤣
Go see some stupid you tube channel they literally trash india whenever they lose but off course they are agenda based channel but these people talk sense
20/20 hindsight at work, but I am taking pleasure at Nasser Hussain's comments at 0:18:45 about turning out for the WI match. No idea how the Tests will turn out, or the other 4 T20s for thar matter, but the result of the opener was an eye-,opener. And to see my man Holder do the job... I am savouring it while it lasts.
Very valuable conversation as usual. Importance of Test cricket in front of us by example of West Indies, they are great in white boll but we respect them for their past Era The Red Boll Era
Excellent and very honest analysis 👏
Loved the interview!
Last position in the WTC table and still joe root requesting a chance to continue his captaincy is something you guys can appreciate because he loves test cricket. So you need that love and passionate for this team. But you guys need to change the structure. That’s all true.
I think root is the only option for captain. Can’t be stokes and everyone else isn’t even a regular in the team. Unless we give burns the captaincy because of his oh so gritty attitude
The solution to this seems obvious to me: split the formats completely, in the same way as Rugby League and Rugby Union are completely different disciplines. That way, the schedule crowding doesn't matter because no players will be playing cross-format, reducing the amount of cricket played by each player, and money from the white ball game can subsidise the red ball game. The only issue would be managing fixtures within the available grounds, but most counties have more than one ground they play some games at, anyway.
Interesting discussion with Key, Nasser, Ward and Arthur Askey.
I am just about old enough to get that.
More focus on A tours. People are saying bumble is very difficult for cricket players. Now wen I saw Sanju Samson interview with ashwin he spoke about bumble. He said that is very happy to be bumble for playing test cricket for India. That's eager and hungers for playing test cricket in India.
Surely, if he wanted to, there should be a place for Nasser in the team selection/coaching set-up. He has a good cricketing brain and could only help the England test team go in the right direction!
these reflection talk throughs have been more enjoyable than the actual test cricket.
Nasir Hussain Mike Atherton my fav analysts
love keays…so articulate
17:24 best bit!!!!!!!
Great work to all concerned. All 4 are a credit to our unique sport.
Hopefully the decision makers are listening to these knowledgable people.
I enjoyed watching this Vodcast than whole Ashes series. There was no literally competition from English team given to Aussies. Our C team beat Aussie and English is struggling against them.
And our a team got badly defeated by a not so great southa frican team..this happens no big deal
Love Keys honest answers, needed.
England have had a lot of issues especially in Test Cricket.
A lot went wrong for England.
Selection, preperation, structure, planning, personnel etc. The idea that a person (Silverwood) can be a coach, selector etc all-in-one package is ludicrous.
There were signs of in-fighting. Batsman blaming bowlers & vice-versa. The captain not stamping his authority with poor tactics/field settings etc.
Rotation / chop & changing the team.
Now the blame game will begin however you cant blame the counties as they were not the ones who picked the team.
However there is a change needed in the county championship in terms of when its played & pitches provided.
The red ball game needs repairing & most important need to be showed its love & respect because the white ball format is having all the glory at the minute.
There wont be enough time for an inquiry, especially as the next test match vs the West Indies is round the corner.
England are favs for the test series vs the Windies, however England have only won one test series in the Windies backyard in 50 years with their last success being in 2004.
Root is a great cricketer however he is not fit to be a test captain. James Vince needs to be (test) captain.
Silverwood may be a great coach in the white ball however in red ball, his record is atrocious. He should be replaced by Gary Kirsten especially as a test coach (at the very least).
Covid has made cricket tough especially for the touring team.
@@archiefox1414 what about an India A team who thrashed this Australia at home?
@@ritwikghorui2731 Superb team. I love Indian cricket.
@@archiefox1414 actually more than skill I think you need tremendous self belief to win down under. English test players these days don't have a stomach for fight. India's first team too would probably have lost that series.
What can we call Key for short?
I know…
Key’sey!
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Naseer and Atherton ...are on another level of cricket Genius Experts Unbiased gentle Classy brief etc.....
You can listen to them whole day
This podcast is better in terms of honest and sincere concern they have regarding the red ball game in England
When a test match ends before 5th day in the subcontinent a lot of questions arise about the quality of the pitch.
In this series,
1st test finishes in day 4 2nd session.
3rd test in day 3 session 1
5th test day 3 session 3
No-one discussing about the quality of the pitch.
Nas is spot on. I took my son to play on Mumbai. He played in a 30 over game and the boys rocked up to play technically correct cricket. It was beautiful to see. Mind you our team still scored 239 for 8 in 30 others.
This make me watch cricket with some more awarness and knowledge. Thank everyone for giving these kind of brief analysis. U guys r awesome 💪🏻✌️💯
Been fun listening to your analysis over this series. The Barmy Army showed some fight at least. Can’t wait to the next Ashes.
The barmy army are so cringeworthy it’s embarrassing…at least the bloody trumpet isn’t around as much
It’s certainly a lot less natural nowadays. The singing and chanting. 20-25 years ago, a song would be made up on the spot and everyone would be singing it for the rest of the test match. Now, they’re all made up in advance and written down etc.
18:50 🤣 spot on. Data sport scientist geeks who haven't picked up a bat are involved in making key decisions. Too many cooks spoil the food!
Like Ben Jones and Nathan Leamon.
We use then wrong in test cricket in odi Morgan got a gut feeling in test cricket we lack the gut feeling
Great team Mic..., Nasser..., Rob Key.., & Ian...., have discussed in depth and broke the egg shell to unearth the areas requiring attention. You really have some very good players though not all in the present team that visited Australia. Test Cricket need good players who can adapt to all round situations. But above all I would suggest that you need to discreetly examine by means of friendly questionaires, the cohesiveness in the English team
So many cold hard truths spoken by all the guys. It's hard enough to know where and how the ball has to start rolling to enforce whatever changes need to be made to restore our test cricket to where we all want it to be on the world stage. Where and how do we start?
Only one missing in this vodcast Bumble would have loved to hear his thoughts and can you imagine Bob wills bless his soul
These guys are genius … cricket analysis is fantastic compare to any other, by far … I would love watching them in a Netflix series 😊
What an insightful discussion
Good on yer Keysie. Tell it like it is 👏👏👏
SA and India provide a clue when there isn't sufficient batting talent available.. Both sides went with 5 specialist bowlers to focus on their strongest suit for the conditions ie fast bowling. Also the opposition would likely not prepare such sporty pitches facing guys like Archer, Wood, Stone, Broad.. Sadly injury prevented such selection. In future I feel England should choose these guys as the main bowling foursome with Anderson rotating with Broad.
Disappointed how little they spoke about private schools vs state schools. We need more lads like Mark Wood and Jimmy Anderson, brought up on tough league cricket
Finally, the one I had been waiting for
What about changing from a county system of nearly twenty teams to six regional teams. Maintain county but as a feeder system to a regional competition. Have South west, South east, central, northern, north east and northwest
The issue with England batting is the over reliance on Joe Root and Ben Stokes , this was clearly shown when these two got out early in the 2nd inning of 3rd test and 5th test where the rest of the batting line up got out like sitting ducks. This is what happened to us Sri Lankans when Sanga,Mahela and Dilshan were playing and once they all retired we were in trouble for quite some time.