@ Yea I know he does. I wonder if it’s an age thing - get off my porch thing. I do though respect Matt. I know he loses his cool way too quickly, but he's overall correct on pretty much most things. BUt I hear you, he can definitely be a little more charitable, and not frighten away his call in's.
It's not. Dillahunty has been doing this for decades. His tolerance for dishonest interlocutors has run out. He knows what not answering direct questions means: they have nothing to offer.
@@Qzopr1 Yea, again, I agree. He can be a little less confrontational though. I've been listenign to AXP since like 2007, January. Long time. I highly respect the guy though.
@@Innesb”I don’t know” is a great answer almost all of the time. It’s a conversation stopper here, though. If you say “I don’t know,” you have to retract your assertion. And then the call is over.
Muslims are unused to pushback because the societies they hail from tend to frown on it. . . forcefully. So they aren't intellectually prepared for it on any level and it tends to end in rage, threats, and violence. Christian and Jewish societies had similar issues in the past. These issues are coming back to the forefront though in societies like the United States.
What a flail. And he could sense where you were going, too, bc instead of saying a simple yes, he was reframing the yes to assert that his God was a necessary part of that yes. "Is creation a change in states?" "Creation is an act of God."
@@jacketrussellhardly. I can see you watch zero ANYTHING to do with politics to claim that. You have immature silly take on it.....almost like you just are parroting sound bites and silly takes. Grow up.
Theists like this one haven’t actually thought out the logical entailment that follows from the words that come out of their own mouths. Also, he likes to repeat himself in threes. Maybe the caller had ocd.
i dont know why hes so shocked when he was just debunking the Christian god for the same reasons his god also isnt real. theists dont realise their logic is mostly the same regardless of religion they believe in
@@Deconstruction_Zone The great Russian director Andrei Tarkovsky wrote a book about filmmaking called "Sculpting In Time." He thought manipulating time (editing) was what distinguished film from other art forms.
The outside space and time is just another impossible gap they want to point to where their hod exists. It's funny how they weren't using this argument thousands of years ago.
This is brilliant Logic. I have only started to hear this answer so it must be newish. The whole before and after "act" proving that God does not exist outside of space and time. Even the Muslim had smoke coming out of his ears!
Since you ask about creation and just before that he said that his god operates outside of time he has difficulty to grasp the concept that even a divine creation would be a change of state and that that takes time. They paint themselves into a corner and then refuse to come out of it.
The concept of “Outside” implies relationship to space without space there is no “outside” you can’t have a spatial orientation independent of space itself and for creation to occur there must be a temporal sequence for example not creating to creating are two states of changes both in which needs temporal sequences and if god creates within time this also undermines god being unchanging and timeless either way it’s all incoherent
That's muslims for you. They are arrogant enough to believe just hearing about their PDFile warlord will convert us. Christians were at this stage 200 years ago, but their decline of power made sure only the most delulu still believe this. Time for islamic states to lose their religion as well.
Since these Muslims seem to randomly pop up on the panel you should reskim through the Quran for OBVIOUS contradictions. They love making perfection claims even more than Christian’s. Some of them even tie their entire faith to that single fact and claim if you can show one single contradiction, they will de-convert on the spot. Though I’ve never seen them actually follow through on that in the moment.
Hi Justin, new and big fan here. In my experience, most theists will always avoid yes/no answers in any situation whatsoever and they tend to fall back on the whole "his ways are not our ways" argument, so I believe a more constructive way to approach these dummies is to discuss the modern applications of the scriptures. In this case, a fun question would be "would you give your 6yo daughter in marriage to the Prophet?". I know it might seem sneaky, but these guys are all but honest in these discussions. Btw I am in no way telling you how to do your job, you're great at it, keep up the good work! Cheers
@lucaGRizzi ! He brought the six year old daughter marriage up several times. he has Masters Degree's in Biblical Scolarships. But your shurly on the right track. 👍
I could be wrong, but I feel like a lot of Muslims haven't dealt with the same amount of apologetics criticism that Christianity has undergone. They seem to make really bad, old arguments and seem surprised when someone shows them how bad their arguments are.
DUMB Theists: EVERYTHING and EVERYONE needs a "creator" DUMB Theists: EXCEPT MY personal invisible sky daddy who is MAGICALLY EXEMPT from the laws of Physics or Chemistry or Biology. He can do MAGIC TRICKS. LOLZ
“Outside space and time” is a logically incoherent concept. If something “exists outside everywhere” then it cannot exist at all. If something “exists outside time” then it cannot exist for any period of time. Everything that exists must occupy space and actions require the duration of time to take place.
Does he realize that his 'god' has the same Abrahamic origin as the other two? Also, same circular arguments, abnegation of logic and argumentative rhetoric when cornered.
Yep, it’s key and completely dismantles their position. They want to claim that all other abrahamic religions failed but Islam didn’t, while Islam is largely built on the others. Also he was dishonest from the jump. A lot of Muslims don’t want to argue for Islam directly.
Ex Muslims, scream with me : "Allaho Asghar !" 😂 Joke explained : "Allaho Akbar" in arabic means "God is Great" for English speakers. However, after Mr.Deconstruction has destroyed our muslim dude I think that the islamic God is not great anymore, it is actually nothing but a pathetic imaginary friend. so instead of saying "Allaho Akbar"(God is Great) lets scream "Allaho Asghar"(God is Pathetic). 😂😂😂
The necessary god argument is debunked by the fact of temporality being a requirement of thought/agency. In other words, the very nature of thought requires temporality. Otherwise, god would have every thought (and thus every action) simultaneously...which means there could never been a time when god did not have a thought (and thus action)..which means there was never a time when our universe did not exist. And I would argue a mind outside of time would collapse within itself....hence your god doesn't exist. 🤷
@@Deconstruction_Zone How do Man create time? heard this by theist . they never can demonstrate it so why do they preach it ? next they will be teaching all rivers run north . 😵💫😵💫😵💫😆😅 maybe if he was on time knowing the show and viewed it enough . he could get over time spiritaul allowence🤣🤣. shikes they get tax dollar its not fair ? I better rethink again.🙄
There’s nothing QUITE as obtuse as a monotheist attacking another monotheist. You all worship a Hellenized ANE warrior deity with a corpus of literature and concepts distinct, but related. The vast majority of errors in one of the Abrahamic faiths will nearly always be applicable to the others if not religion in general.
“I don’t know why these people don’t have patience to answer simple yes or no question” maybe because they are leading and people want a second to give context. This guy is basically the atheist darth Dawkins. Unsubbed
@Jon-tsuki-geri There's a reason they're called two different things space-time is not the same thing as time. Space time is in reference to how we judge time based on our solar system and everything else in the universe. Theoretically though time itself is always going to exist we would just have no reference for it. And it is most likely that some form of space matter and energy has always existed along with time
@@vtalenwell slight correction. Energy has always existed in some form or another. Matter and anti matter are comprised of energy in different forms. Energy would be considered eternal as you cannot make or destroy energy, only change in. Space time is the interaction of space and energy (in terms of matter.) it’s all extremely complicated though. But there’s no way something could exist outside temporality and then “make time.” Action, a change of states requires time. A single dimension is a single point, infinite and nothing equally….
Man lost in space with days left on oxegen . floating away running in to clutter and catches timex watch from space junk. reads 945 AM. 😅time to wake up
Singularity doesnt negate time being eternal it solidifies it, Singularities signify transformation points-transitions between states of reality or knowledge. The persistence of such transitions reinforces the idea that time is a continuous and eternal backdrop against which all change occurs. Even if certain states of matter, energy, or information collapse or diverge infinitely, time remains a necessary framework for these transformations. and no one said the Big Bang was the beginning of anything it’s just the expansion of what we currently observe.
Interesting question. I come to terms with it by this little thought experiment, even though I may have the physics utterly wrong - but I'm no expert! I think of it in terms of relativity, as in the way an observer here on Earth might observe a clock, say, near a black hole. From the observer's perspective, the clock appears to slow down as it gets closer to the event horizon and eventually appears to stop - frozen in time - the passage of time for it appears to have ceased. But imagine instead of a black hole, it's a singularity - "containing" all of the potential mass of the universe. If an observer had an infinite amount of "time" to watch, wouldn't the singularity appear timeless for an eternity and had always been in that state? Wouldn't time cease to exist, and the word become irrelevant? i.e. there was no "before" the BB because there was no "time" until the BB.
On God being outside of time- all photons travel at the speed of light (obv) & time stops for entities at light speed, so time & sequencing is indeed a lil fucked up. The damn photons are where they are, will be, & were. Idrk enough ab it, let’s be honest; that just sounded tricky. I wouldn’t defend Islam tho, to get that out the way lol
@@Deconstruction_Zone Man created the vintage timex watch!!! said they tick for ever and keep on ticking. maybe god might grab it in space junk and time will tell him he's late.
I beg to differ from the title. Caller comprehends only too well, that’s why he refused to answer the yes or no question. Because he understood that his out of space and time god would have crashed and burned when faced with logic reasoning.
Wish you would stop using this false talking point about time. That’s not actually how time works. Also, using “fake” to describe any god is a fallacy. For something to be “fake”, it implies that there is something genuine.
Yea that's how time works according to logic and physics. Without time there is no sequence of events. It's a prereq. You don't have to like it but it's the truth.
This whole thing is hilarious this guy dedicated himself to convincing others god is real to now rededicating his life to convincing others that god is not real. Mr uno reverso 😂
@@H8DOUK3N My reason to not believing in a god is no one has ever shown any good evidence one exists. I don't need evidence to not believe in something. Do you?
na' he's probably in a confession booth yelling ! God you said I am wise and will teach the gentiles great things ! but when I give your word i get nothing but domb and domber .😅
I'll tell all of you what time it is: It's time to have your life right with God because you're 1 breath away from your eternity. Sometimes you have to realize and decide for yourself which is more important this life or the next? You can give a yes or no answer to that or you can summarize it what's some kind of brief explanation of your opinion TIA
God who plays the best game of Hide and go seek in the univerce. try reading the bible with out cherry picking and not just the 5% every American christian only knows. and stop being the Hypocrite because you think you can be forgiven. though it would be impossible . its about the filthy dirty roting rags of Sin who believe in this! you must be filthy sinful rags of evil in order to make it to heaven !!! your a slave ordered to be Evil in order to be forgiven. it wouldn't be possible any other way accordingly, from the Bible.
It’s like “outside of space” or “supernatural”. Seems to make sense only until you actually start thinking about it. If something is outside of space it’s nowhere: doesn’t exist. Supernatural is just a label for magic: ie something made up. If it’s not part of the natural world it doesn’t exist. Eg, if ghosts existed they would be a natural phenomenon. “Meta time” is just a creative use of language: it doesn’t explain how it works in logic and reality.
If god has its own meta time, then something must of have given it meta time. God couldn’t make meta time itself because it would require time to exist to give god time to change from the state of having time to not having time. And if god requires time to make time, then something had to make god, and then something had to make that, which requires something to make that.
That's giving "You can't use your laser on my because I use eternity strength block!" - It's meaningless drivel spouted by desperate people. Either we stick with reality and argue within its confines or we make up stuff like religion.
@@larryscarr3897 "Time can’t be created because creation needs time? That assumes there’s only one timeline. In a multiverse, you could have parent and child timelines. Think of it like a book: the story’s time starts on Page 1, but the author exists outside the book. A parent universe (or creator) can ‘write’ time into a child universe without being bound by it. So creation of time makes sense if it comes from outside the timeline-like an author starting a new story."
While I agree god outside of time is an interesting conjecture. I agree with your caller. We cannot consider anything outside of the universe because it's unknown and unknowable to us. However your caller dismissed both the Christian faith and the Jewish faith as absurd without any further need to discuss it. How incredibly arrogant of him. Especially since Allah is Yahweh. Muslims don't reject Yahweh they just claim they have the most recent and also the last and only correct book from god. (Did I mention hubris). Somewhat akin to Mormons.
Genuine question for commenters, I’ve never really understood the scientific concept of time. How do we explain time? Isn’t time invented by human consciousness? Just asking questions.
No, like all measurements we invented the units of time (seconds, minutes, hours, etc.), but time itself exists regardless. Even logically speaking it has to, since any change of status requires a before and after.
Allah is just Yahweh's middle name "Elohe" but translated into Arabic. Amos 5 Names of God Bible 27 I will send you into exile beyond Damascus, says Yahweh, whose name is Elohe Tsebaoth. Arabic: Allah (name, not a title, meaning "The god") Hebrew: Elohe (name, not a title, meaning "The god") It says Yahweh's full name in Book of Amos 7 times. Yahweh Elohim, first introduced in Gen 2.4, and his two Elohim aspects (the one that talks and the one with the flaming sword), first introduced in Gen 3, are false Elohim. That's the Unholy Trinity. They're a conformity who are each other and are not God. Don't believe their promises of heaven or threats of hell. They're not locally real.
Allah Swt is GOD does not need time as GOD Allah Swt has been forever time was created by Allah Swt for the human consciousness also you say something about a war lord Allah Swt does do require no want individual to be warlords also as I ask before bring me support directly from the Quran which is the word of Allah Swt of the 6 year old thing which you failed to do stick to Christianity bud you are knowledgeable on that but not Islam
It's funny to me how you guys always have to mutter the magic words after you say magic names. I guess if you don't then the magic invisible monsters will getcha! Ooga booga!
"You're dumb! The Christian god is fake."
"Well, your god is fake, too!"
"Nuh-uh!"
It's like what Matt Dillahunty always say about the muslims who debate - they're the lowest bar of debaters he's ever come across. It's just so true.
Yet he still gets angry like a child during debates lol. My biggest complaint with Matt is his obvious issue with emotional stability
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Yea I know he does. I wonder if it’s an age thing - get off my porch thing. I do though respect Matt. I know he loses his cool way too quickly, but he's overall correct on pretty much most things. BUt I hear you, he can definitely be a little more charitable, and not frighten away his call in's.
It's not. Dillahunty has been doing this for decades. His tolerance for dishonest interlocutors has run out. He knows what not answering direct questions means: they have nothing to offer.
@@Qzopr1
Yea, again, I agree. He can be a little less confrontational though. I've been listenign to AXP since like 2007, January. Long time.
I highly respect the guy though.
With Matt it’s years of dealing with delusional people.
Poor little boy.
His arguments probably sound pretty good when he is chatting with his mates.
He keeps saying "You're not making any sense." What he means is that "You're not just blindly agreeing to whatever I'm saying since I'm right "
"Yes or no" is just way too hard for them 🤣🤣🤣
Just like my ex wife. 😂
“Yes”, “No” or “I don’t know”. The latter is important for reasonable discussion.
Makes it too hard to bullshit themselves when they're THAT obviously wrong.
@@Innesb”I don’t know” is a great answer almost all of the time. It’s a conversation stopper here, though. If you say “I don’t know,” you have to retract your assertion. And then the call is over.
caller said I don't know who you think ! Justin. Well, get outa here then 🤣🤣
That kid was just straight up rude. The muting was 100% Justified.
It's astounding so much of modern man still holds onto these primitive death cults' ignorant fantasies.
Muslims are unused to pushback because the societies they hail from tend to frown on it. . . forcefully. So they aren't intellectually prepared for it on any level and it tends to end in rage, threats, and violence. Christian and Jewish societies had similar issues in the past. These issues are coming back to the forefront though in societies like the United States.
that guy is worse than a kid. Even children would be patient enough to understand a yes/no question
"My God created time"
"Really? When?"
😂😂😂
HILARIOUS🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MikeTMike brilliant!.😂
man invented time.
Two o'klock!
@patriceriksson7924
How can it be two o'clock when time hasn't been created?
What a flail. And he could sense where you were going, too, bc instead of saying a simple yes, he was reframing the yes to assert that his God was a necessary part of that yes.
"Is creation a change in states?"
"Creation is an act of God."
The caller can't even comprehend what time is.
and Justen has a great sense of Hummar ! 🤣
like talking to a USA politician can't answer a simple yes or no question
ANY politician.
I’ve watched parliament, they don’t answer either…
Green party 2024 Jill Stein the only anti war candidate, but ofcourse Americans would rather vote in the two party Mafia
You mean maggats right?? Cuz it's the rethyglucans that do this 99.9999% of the time. 🙄
@@jacketrussellhardly. I can see you watch zero ANYTHING to do with politics to claim that.
You have immature silly take on it.....almost like you just are parroting sound bites and silly takes.
Grow up.
When he refuses to let his yes be yes and his no be no
I’ve come to the conclusion that arguing with a theist is like beating a dead horse 😖
Theists like this one haven’t actually thought out the logical entailment that follows from the words that come out of their own mouths.
Also, he likes to repeat himself in threes. Maybe the caller had ocd.
My boss at work is exactly like that. After a yes or no question, he can talk for 5 minutes straight and you still don't know his answer.
He sounds like a typical politician
When a thing has no restrictions, it can fit into any box you desire an you defend it with excuse after excuse after excuse.
Believing in a winged horse and splitting the moon is just so so stupid.
It is, but I think it's also childish and mostly harmless. I think it's way worse to believe that you need to follow the teachings of a child m****ter
3:08 you can actually hear the caller's clown nose honking
i dont know why hes so shocked when he was just debunking the Christian god for the same reasons his god also isnt real. theists dont realise their logic is mostly the same regardless of religion they believe in
He debunked himself, the Christian and the Muslim God are the same god. Most Muslims will acknowledge that, Christians not so much.
Well, talk about arrogant ignorance
No cogent argument, only the need to preach nonsensical dogma.
Oh boy, these islamic arguments aren't getting any better yet...
The angry quaver in the speaker's voice as soon as someone doesn't accept his religion.
Stop motion is perfect way to show time as a change of states
Great example. Can you make a movie without time? Nope.
@Deconstruction_Zone lol exactly or those flip books where you flip the pages real fast to make something look like it is in action
@@Deconstruction_Zone The great Russian director Andrei Tarkovsky wrote a book about filmmaking called "Sculpting In Time." He thought manipulating time (editing) was what distinguished film from other art forms.
The outside space and time is just another impossible gap they want to point to where their hod exists. It's funny how they weren't using this argument thousands of years ago.
Ya' because they know things are changing for the worse ? or
This is brilliant Logic. I have only started to hear this answer so it must be newish. The whole before and after "act" proving that God does not exist outside of space and time. Even the Muslim had smoke coming out of his ears!
These religious types are so afraid of "gotcha" questions...they cover their ears and go "la la la la!"
Since you ask about creation and just before that he said that his god operates outside of time he has difficulty to grasp the concept that even a divine creation would be a change of state and that that takes time. They paint themselves into a corner and then refuse to come out of it.
Towels wrapped up way too tight on this one...🎉
Caller needed more time to consider a yes or no.
The concept of “Outside” implies relationship to space without space there is no “outside” you can’t have a spatial orientation independent of space itself and for creation to occur there must be a temporal sequence for example not creating to creating are two states of changes both in which needs temporal sequences and if god creates within time this also undermines god being unchanging and timeless either way it’s all incoherent
The quantity of baseless BS these religious people are capable of making up and spewing, is appalling...
My god is real because my book says so and my book is inerrant, in the same way I am.
QED.
When you laugh at the silliness in other religions, understand everyone else is laughing at the silliness in yours.
Sorry, but a part of me wishes they talked about if God is not good or not.
Justin talks about that most of the time.
The jaw dropping arrogance of starting in so hard on other religions while not expecting it to be bounced straight back on their own.... 🥸🤡😹
That's muslims for you. They are arrogant enough to believe just hearing about their PDFile warlord will convert us. Christians were at this stage 200 years ago, but their decline of power made sure only the most delulu still believe this. Time for islamic states to lose their religion as well.
I don't know who you think ? Well, get out ah here then 🤣🤣
You do know you short circuited his brain right? 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Theists are always afraid of yes or no questions bc they are so afraid of answering something that would be contradictory to their teachings..
I know
They’re so black and white in their world view you’d think answering yes or no questions would be easy for them
Since these Muslims seem to randomly pop up on the panel you should reskim through the Quran for OBVIOUS contradictions. They love making perfection claims even more than Christian’s. Some of them even tie their entire faith to that single fact and claim if you can show one single contradiction, they will de-convert on the spot. Though I’ve never seen them actually follow through on that in the moment.
Don't they all worship the same god? The god of the old testament is bad enough and should disqualify any religion based on his values or legitimacy.
😂 he came in spiraling then immediately crashed out.
He didn't know he had cracks in his foundation and needs more recomendations. 😂😂
Hi Justin, new and big fan here. In my experience, most theists will always avoid yes/no answers in any situation whatsoever and they tend to fall back on the whole "his ways are not our ways" argument, so I believe a more constructive way to approach these dummies is to discuss the modern applications of the scriptures. In this case, a fun question would be "would you give your 6yo daughter in marriage to the Prophet?".
I know it might seem sneaky, but these guys are all but honest in these discussions.
Btw I am in no way telling you how to do your job, you're great at it, keep up the good work! Cheers
@lucaGRizzi ! He brought the six year old daughter marriage up several times. he has Masters Degree's in Biblical Scolarships. But your shurly on the right track. 👍
I could be wrong, but I feel like a lot of Muslims haven't dealt with the same amount of apologetics criticism that Christianity has undergone.
They seem to make really bad, old arguments and seem surprised when someone shows them how bad their arguments are.
DUMB Theists: EVERYTHING and EVERYONE needs a "creator"
DUMB Theists: EXCEPT MY personal invisible sky daddy who is MAGICALLY EXEMPT from the laws of Physics or Chemistry or Biology. He can do MAGIC TRICKS.
LOLZ
You're my hero lol
He acts so surprised when told that his God is as fake as all other Gods...that he doesn't believe in.. anyone surprised by theist lack of logic..
Indoctrination does that to your brain
How Dare you? 😗🤣
Omg, this guy HAS to be fake. 😂. There is no way.
“Outside space and time” is a logically incoherent concept.
If something “exists outside everywhere” then it cannot exist at all.
If something “exists outside time” then it cannot exist for any period of time.
Everything that exists must occupy space and actions require the duration of time to take place.
I love how excited he gets when confronted with arguments on reason. Dude, your god is a myth for weak minds. Get over it.
It's the same god lol
Does he realize that his 'god' has the same Abrahamic origin as the other two? Also, same circular arguments, abnegation of logic and argumentative rhetoric when cornered.
Yep, it’s key and completely dismantles their position. They want to claim that all other abrahamic religions failed but Islam didn’t, while Islam is largely built on the others.
Also he was dishonest from the jump. A lot of Muslims don’t want to argue for Islam directly.
Ex Muslims, scream with me : "Allaho Asghar !" 😂
Joke explained :
"Allaho Akbar" in arabic means "God is Great" for English speakers. However, after Mr.Deconstruction has destroyed our muslim dude I think that the islamic God is not great anymore, it is actually nothing but a pathetic imaginary friend. so instead of saying "Allaho Akbar"(God is Great) lets scream "Allaho Asghar"(God is Pathetic). 😂😂😂
I say "Kuffar Ackbar".
;)
@bootskanchelsis3337 Alright this one is smarter 😂 👏
The necessary god argument is debunked by the fact of temporality being a requirement of thought/agency. In other words, the very nature of thought requires temporality. Otherwise, god would have every thought (and thus every action) simultaneously...which means there could never been a time when god did not have a thought (and thus action)..which means there was never a time when our universe did not exist. And I would argue a mind outside of time would collapse within itself....hence your god doesn't exist. 🤷
I agree. You cannot have a mind outside of time. Agency and the ability to think requires time
@@Deconstruction_Zone How do Man create time? heard this by theist . they never can demonstrate it so why do they preach it ? next they will be teaching all rivers run north . 😵💫😵💫😵💫😆😅 maybe if he was on time knowing the show and viewed it enough . he could get over time spiritaul allowence🤣🤣. shikes they get tax dollar its not fair ? I better rethink again.🙄
Facts
There’s nothing QUITE as obtuse as a monotheist attacking another monotheist.
You all worship a Hellenized ANE warrior deity with a corpus of literature and concepts distinct, but related.
The vast majority of errors in one of the Abrahamic faiths will nearly always be applicable to the others if not religion in general.
“I don’t know why these people don’t have patience to answer simple yes or no question” maybe because they are leading and people want a second to give context. This guy is basically the atheist darth Dawkins. Unsubbed
Allan akbar
I thought he was an Irishman called Al o'akbar😂..
To be fair, space time is not the same as time
Can you prove that?
@Jon-tsuki-geri There's a reason they're called two different things space-time is not the same thing as time. Space time is in reference to how we judge time based on our solar system and everything else in the universe. Theoretically though time itself is always going to exist we would just have no reference for it. And it is most likely that some form of space matter and energy has always existed along with time
@@vtalenwell slight correction.
Energy has always existed in some form or another. Matter and anti matter are comprised of energy in different forms. Energy would be considered eternal as you cannot make or destroy energy, only change in. Space time is the interaction of space and energy (in terms of matter.) it’s all extremely complicated though.
But there’s no way something could exist outside temporality and then “make time.” Action, a change of states requires time. A single dimension is a single point, infinite and nothing equally….
@ednamsgiraffe no one said anything is outside time. I said space time and time are not the same thing
Man lost in space with days left on oxegen . floating away running in to clutter and catches timex watch from space junk. reads 945 AM. 😅time to wake up
If the big bang was the initiation of time, then how did the singularity exist “before time“?
No one says that the singularity existed "before time".
It wasn't
Singularity doesnt negate time being eternal it solidifies it, Singularities signify transformation points-transitions between states of reality or knowledge. The persistence of such transitions reinforces the idea that time is a continuous and eternal backdrop against which all change occurs.
Even if certain states of matter, energy, or information collapse or diverge infinitely, time remains a necessary framework for these transformations. and no one said the Big Bang was the beginning of anything it’s just the expansion of what we currently observe.
Interesting question. I come to terms with it by this little thought experiment, even though I may have the physics utterly wrong - but I'm no expert!
I think of it in terms of relativity, as in the way an observer here on Earth might observe a clock, say, near a black hole.
From the observer's perspective, the clock appears to slow down as it gets closer to the event horizon and eventually appears to stop - frozen in time - the passage of time for it appears to have ceased.
But imagine instead of a black hole, it's a singularity - "containing" all of the potential mass of the universe. If an observer had an infinite amount of "time" to watch, wouldn't the
singularity appear timeless for an eternity and had always been in that state? Wouldn't time cease to exist, and the word become irrelevant?
i.e. there was no "before" the BB because there was no "time" until the BB.
On God being outside of time- all photons travel at the speed of light (obv) & time stops for entities at light speed, so time & sequencing is indeed a lil fucked up. The damn photons are where they are, will be, & were. Idrk enough ab it, let’s be honest; that just sounded tricky.
I wouldn’t defend Islam tho, to get that out the way lol
So god travels at the speed of light? Traveling requires time too
@ it was ab sequence vs time, that’s all.
I’m not fightin his battles for him lmao
@@Deconstruction_Zone Man created the vintage timex watch!!! said they tick for ever and keep on ticking. maybe god might grab it in space junk and time will tell him he's late.
I beg to differ from the title. Caller comprehends only too well, that’s why he refused to answer the yes or no question. Because he understood that his out of space and time god would have crashed and burned when faced with logic reasoning.
Wish you would stop using this false talking point about time. That’s not actually how time works.
Also, using “fake” to describe any god is a fallacy. For something to be “fake”, it implies that there is something genuine.
Yea that's how time works according to logic and physics. Without time there is no sequence of events. It's a prereq. You don't have to like it but it's the truth.
This whole thing is hilarious this guy dedicated himself to convincing others god is real to now rededicating his life to convincing others that god is not real. Mr uno reverso 😂
Do you have any good evidence for whichever version of whichever so-called god you've decided to claim you believe in?
@ Do you have any evidence that support your reason to not believe in any god?
@@H8DOUK3N My reason to not believing in a god is no one has ever shown any good evidence one exists. I don't need evidence to not believe in something. Do you?
na' he's probably in a confession booth yelling ! God you said I am wise and will teach the gentiles great things ! but when I give your word i get nothing but domb and domber .😅
@@RonaldFord-yv3ol The atheist doesn’t need evidence but a theist needs evidence?
I'll tell all of you what time it is:
It's time to have your life right with God because you're 1 breath away from your eternity.
Sometimes you have to realize and decide for yourself which is more important this life or the next?
You can give a yes or no answer to that or you can summarize it what's some kind of brief explanation of your opinion
TIA
God who plays the best game of Hide and go seek in the univerce. try reading the bible with out cherry picking and not just the 5% every American christian only knows. and stop being the Hypocrite because you think you can be forgiven. though it would be impossible . its about the filthy dirty roting rags of Sin who believe in this! you must be filthy sinful rags of evil in order to make it to heaven !!! your a slave ordered to be Evil in order to be forgiven. it wouldn't be possible any other way accordingly, from the Bible.
Time is not the best argument here since God could have his own meta time, like a hypervisor and a virtual machine
What is meta time, cuz the examples you gave exist within time.
It’s like “outside of space” or “supernatural”.
Seems to make sense only until you actually start thinking about it. If something is outside of space it’s nowhere: doesn’t exist. Supernatural is just a label for magic: ie something made up. If it’s not part of the natural world it doesn’t exist. Eg, if ghosts existed they would be a natural phenomenon.
“Meta time” is just a creative use of language: it doesn’t explain how it works in logic and reality.
If god has its own meta time, then something must of have given it meta time. God couldn’t make meta time itself because it would require time to exist to give god time to change from the state of having time to not having time.
And if god requires time to make time, then something had to make god, and then something had to make that, which requires something to make that.
That's giving "You can't use your laser on my because I use eternity strength block!" - It's meaningless drivel spouted by desperate people. Either we stick with reality and argue within its confines or we make up stuff like religion.
@@larryscarr3897 "Time can’t be created because creation needs time? That assumes there’s only one timeline. In a multiverse, you could have parent and child timelines. Think of it like a book: the story’s time starts on Page 1, but the author exists outside the book. A parent universe (or creator) can ‘write’ time into a child universe without being bound by it. So creation of time makes sense if it comes from outside the timeline-like an author starting a new story."
While I agree god outside of time is an interesting conjecture. I agree with your caller. We cannot consider anything outside of the universe because it's unknown and unknowable to us.
However your caller dismissed both the Christian faith and the Jewish faith as absurd without any further need to discuss it. How incredibly arrogant of him. Especially since Allah is Yahweh. Muslims don't reject Yahweh they just claim they have the most recent and also the last and only correct book from god. (Did I mention hubris). Somewhat akin to Mormons.
Genuine question for commenters, I’ve never really understood the scientific concept of time. How do we explain time? Isn’t time invented by human consciousness? Just asking questions.
If there is a process 1 and it is followed by a process 2 - this is the time. Two events happened one after the other and something change
No, like all measurements we invented the units of time (seconds, minutes, hours, etc.), but time itself exists regardless. Even logically speaking it has to, since any change of status requires a before and after.
Time exists, how we explain time is a human construct. The faster you move = the slower time passes. Relativity.
@@grazareth investing never thought I about that way, thanks
@@vovafint6507 thanks
Allah is just Yahweh's middle name "Elohe" but translated into Arabic.
Amos 5
Names of God Bible
27 I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,
says Yahweh, whose name is Elohe Tsebaoth.
Arabic:
Allah (name, not a title, meaning "The god")
Hebrew:
Elohe (name, not a title, meaning "The god")
It says Yahweh's full name in Book of Amos 7 times. Yahweh Elohim, first introduced in Gen 2.4, and his two Elohim aspects (the one that talks and the one with the flaming sword), first introduced in Gen 3, are false Elohim. That's the Unholy Trinity. They're a conformity who are each other and are not God.
Don't believe their promises of heaven or threats of hell. They're not locally real.
Allah is a title, it means God in Arabic. It's not a personal name.
Allah Swt is GOD does not need time as GOD Allah Swt has been forever time was created by Allah Swt for the human consciousness also you say something about a war lord Allah Swt does do require no want individual to be warlords also as I ask before bring me support directly from the Quran which is the word of Allah Swt of the 6 year old thing which you failed to do stick to Christianity bud you are knowledgeable on that but not Islam
Typical illogical irrational theistic bullshite🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's funny to me how you guys always have to mutter the magic words after you say magic names. I guess if you don't then the magic invisible monsters will getcha! Ooga booga!
Coherent sentence structure is not your strong suit.
@@rockymountainhomestead that your opinion not facts lol I know you are white lol
@@rockymountainhomestead lo I see comprehension is not your strong suit lol also your statement is a opinion not facts and your opinion is irrelevant