Yeah, grow up because we all know a MUD PUDDLE DID IT, LOL! There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741Psst. It wasn't a mud puddle. It was dust. But Muslims say it was from clay, which Muslims will tell you is 20% water. That's not science.
You offer a lie and textbook argument from ignorance as your best argument for atheism. Eighteen atheist idiots applaud your obvious lie and Argument from Ignorance. LOL. Great stuff. Atheism is weak BS.
@@EdithBromfeld *"Atheism is weak BS."* Have you renouced your fellowship in the ignorant demoniacal cult of idolatrous believers that prostrate themselves to the blasphemous image of the crucifix and worship an evidently nonexistent FALSE "God"!?? I have been burdened with glorious purpose by the one ontologically objectively TRUE living God Tengri...divine creator, sustainer. And maintainer of the cosmos...to share the GOOD NEWS witn you! 🤣🤣🤣
My biggest argument is why are there even arguments at all? We only argue about things we don’t agree on. If gods existed there would be no arguments at all, right?
Wrong. There's only the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the rebellion against them. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 You can observe gravity. There is a vacuum chamber in which a light feather and a heavy bowling ball are being dropped at exactly the same time and both fall down as if they weigh the same.
@@tonyclements1147 OH MAN! LOL! YOU COULDN'T BE MORE SPOT ON! LOL! A MUD PUDDLE DID IT! LOL! Clearly, it was a mud puddle (or star dust?) that came from nothing by nothing to do nothing and be nothing & produced the first cell with systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce, NOT TO MENTION that FIRST CELL contained the DNA blueprints for 9 million DIFFERENT species of life, the human being and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants. NAH! It didn't take a God to do that :) MOON DIRT DID IT! LOL!! THAT is the bald face stupidity of atheism UNLESS of course, you have a better atheist explanation for reality. I'll be glad to hear it, but we both know you don't. And that means you're the very definition of being "lost & clueless" when it comes to reality. God is real and EVERYTHING we observe (e.g. life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality) is only explained by an INFINITE CAUSE that has the intelligence, power, purpose, resources & means that are FAR BEYOND that of mankind. We call him “OUR INFINITE/ETERNAL/SUPERNATURAL GOD and there is no other option. That's why no atheist has a rational/possible, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you and your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism is hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, transitional new anatomy/evolution).
Caller seems to be a decent fellow, makes his pints and listens. Around 22:00, caller then proceeds to infer that most of the atrocities by Islamic nations were from Sunni territories and these Islamic “theocracies” aren’t really true Islamic theocracies. This shows the bias and misses the whole point the hosts were talking about; religious doctrine can lead to bad actions, especially if they can support the motion of a god. It can blind critical thinking
When Forest said believing in “silly things “that reminded me of Monty Python and Graham Chapman when he would interrupt a skit dressed as a Officer saying “all right then, that’s enough, this has gotten too silly. “ it tickled me.
@@jjpopnfresh6822 Man, I'd love that, but these "Atheist" echo chambers have had the same script since like 1996. Not a single original argument since the dawn of the internet.
@@tylerdyson8410 Because in my nearly four decades of living on this Earth I have yet to come across (either by finding, or by someone presenting) one single shred of credible evidence for any kind of deity.
_What does self evidence mean in the legal system?_ Two men are involved in a legal dispute and present the case to you (Judge). Party A claims he gave money to B as a loan. B denies. Non of them submitted any evidence. You are the judge and you are required to issue the verdict. What will be your decision and on what basis? B wins the argument. الأصل براءة الذمة. Free liability is a priori assumption.
_Quran A Guidance for Proper Reasoning_ There are two types of evidence: intellectual evidence or what is self-evident, and empirical evidence or evidence accessible through the senses. Quran endorses the following proofs: Evidence collectively plays key role in eliminating doubt: We observe the laws and elements necessary for life come together on our survival. Its impossible for them to collectively come together on our survival by accident. There is intentionality. Intelligent design: The fly design stunned scientists. Scientists marveled at the fly’s light engines and maneuvering techniques: They said: "from where did it get this creative intelligent concept in the first place?!!" Life entry and exit: Creatures come out to life from a state of inanimate matter and from a state of life to a state of dead. Developing similar biological life requires advanced technology. In a court of law, this is sufficient (Quantity) appropriate (Quality) proof of a supernatural power. Theist should win a court of law on the grounds of self-evidence. Atheist claim is dismissed. Our expectation is that this power must identify himself, claim ownership of the universe and clarify the purpose of life. In line with our expectation, Abraham’s God made that claim.
The Early Creation and Quran 21.30-31 In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and The All Merciful: 30-Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made out of water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 31- And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways to facilitate transportation. The Cosmos Proof: Allah is arguing that the Big Bang explosion should create chaos. Instead of producing chaos, Quran says that the Big Bang explosion ended up producing living things, order, life, laws, variation, sophistication, habitable world (mountains and geological plains), therefore, the existence of a creator is self-evident. Somebody must have stepped in. The creator identified himself, claimed ownership of the universe and clarified the purpose of life. Since only Abraham’s God made that claim, the creation belongs to him until somebody else claims partnership. [1] Research field: Astrochemistry. Theory of origin of life from nonliving matter. How did we cross from chemistry to biology?.
Quran in simple terms is a book which makes the claim "i created". He added proofs as follows: In Quran 21.30, God said heavens and the earth were a joint entity and we separated them. Joint entity was recently discovered and is referred to as ‘model of singularity’ which basically means that the entire universe existed as a singularity. Then, the big bang (separated them). God ordered the sky and Earth to come into being from smoke. 11-Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly”. Scientists discovered the cosmic dust. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke. It is the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed. Jesus miracles of sight ended with his death. Mohamed miracles didn't.
Comparing the existence of God case to proving a Santa Clause exist is incorrect. Why the comparison is incorrect? There is intentionality. Quran says reflect upon how the following elements of life come together collectively on our survival: • Nature had to figure out how to make rain a recurrent process. scientific term is water cycle • Rain water could have been bitter, salty, sour, carbonated etc. (nature was biased in its selection). • Water was preserved in the form of lakes and ponds and underground water. • Water sewerage system comes in whereby the rivers will transport the water to the sea. • A barrier prevents salty water from mixing with the river water. • You throw the inside of dates but in grains you eat the inside and throw the outside. • Color diversity is a recurrent feature in mountains, fruits, plants, people, and animals. Uncolored outcome in a random selection was entirely skipped. Applying the theory of probability, it cannot be other than a biased selection. • Seed evolved into diversity and variety Milk and meat were necessary for human evolution. Quran wants us to reflect: • Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 4 pairs. • The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity. • Since cow eats only grass, our expectation is that cow's milk should come out mixed with blood and waste and other excretions. Instead it comes out pure white liquid. • Leveled earth stunned geologists and they gave it the term 'plains'. Why leveled? To facilitate transportation in land. • Archimedes’ buoyancy law facilitates marine transportation. • [Newtons law of attraction] prevents the skies from falling. • Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 8 mates. • The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity. • We need stars to determine directions. • The sun rises and sets but the moon does not. • The moon changes shape but the sun does not. • We need to calculate time and, surprisingly, moon is an illuminating disc (lunar) that changes shape. it divides our calendar into 4 weeks by giving 4 primary shapes. • We need daylight to make a living and darkness to rest and, surprisingly, we find variation in the day light in a cycle of 1 day and daylight dims then turns off to be able to sleep well. Lecture by Al-Azhar school of theology scholar late Mohamed Metwally Al-Sharawy.
The evidence is abundant; it's only fools that can't see it or purposely ignore it. It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). FIN P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. Are you really this stupid? God wrote the Bible. The Bible proves to be the Word of God w/ it's 2500 fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus and the next 500 that Jesus hasn't fulfilled yet, NOT TO MENTION that the Bible has plenty of science in it’s 66 books. It mentions the effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding: ”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8. ” … who STRETCHES OUT the heavens like a curtain, and SPREADS THEM like a tent to live in.” - Isaiah 40:22 The Bible is all fact. However, hell is full of intelligent fools. Maybe you're just desperate to be the boss, instead of God; so you don't want God to exist. All atheists are liars (Romans 1:20), so I refuse to ask you any questions and hope for the truth. The "ignorant people" of 3,500 yrs ago didn't have the knowledge to write what's in the Bible. The Bible is a record of observation that's written by God himself. If you think the Bible wasn't observed and documented by God, then you are poorly educated as there is more evidence for the Bible then any other historical writings. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote? God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). The Bible is proved by it's fulfillment or prophecy & the fact that no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know the content we find in the Bible. You have a lot to learn and you’re basically starting from the point of abject atheist idiocy. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor DO NOT use your brain, but show me the evidence. That's a clear perspective as to how stupid you are. The Bible is the proof, but when you're a person that ignores the truth, there's no convincing to be done. Don't waste my time again.
Unlike the myth ofJesus, the myth of Santa Clause is based on a person who actually existed (Saint Nicholas). So there is more physical evidence of Santa than Jesus.
@@aim3k249 Well I am not convinced. There is evidence of "messiah"s a hundred years BC or so. Nobody from 1~50CE wrote about an actual person that could have matched what the gospels claimed decades later, although there is evidence that Christians existed. The final story (and doctrine) about Jesus wasn't settled until centuries later. If someone does come up with some hard or convincing evidence that Jesus existed during that time frame it will be huge news and they will be celebrated world-wide.
You've gotta love 'I don't believe in Santa Claus because there's no evidence', while fervently defending their silly old book as something revelatory. What horse hockey. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@blackfly56 I just saw the Tooth Fairy, and they told me to ask you for your bank account number so that they can direct deposit the money that they owe you. 🤑
Absolutely! The Tooth Fairy is the thin edge of depravity! One day it's selling a tooth for a dollar, next day its killing kids for their kidneys for the illegal market in body parts!
Dear Theists Rather than arguments, bring bring the best/strongest evidence that you have that proves your deity exists tonight on QC's live livestream. I give you my word that if you engage with my honestly and with integrity i will do the same.
I didn't pay Carl to not come on to my live stream, since he thinks that his tremendous bigly arguments would be so devastating to the show. He also says that he doesn't go on live streams. So he wants to be paid to not do the thing that he wasn't going to do??? OK. Sure. Someone please pay me not to go to church. 😂😂😂 He's such an idiot. He doesn't even know what he's saying.
I'll add this: It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). FIN P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 Why do you add ANYTHING? You are too afraid, maybe even more than Carl, to talk to real atheists. Your lack of scientific understanding and knowledge, allowing you to declare things as "irrefutable facts" doesn't count as evidence of anything. At best, it's an evidence of your stupidity and makes me wonder how there could be NO science requirements for chiropractice. Since you didn't lose your license because of your ignorance but rather your criminal dishonesty.
You lost on the arguments and evidence here. You couldn't even engage competently, much less defeat the evidence of Fine Tuning from Modern Cosmology, nor proof of a Contingent universe with a finite physical beginning. You were reduced to floundering, evasion and lies as you were demolished under the weight of facts. Do you suddenly get better in that perverted creep QC's squalid little channel of lies?
Just wanna say that I appreciate you guys and the care that you take with these callers. People who are doubtful need to know that yes, there is life without religion, there's decency, there's an exchange of ideas, and the journey of letting go of the security blanket that many of us held on to for so long can be difficult and scary. It's important there's someone on the other side to welcome them. I didn't have that when I gave up my belief, and it was super hard. Keep up the good work.
Funny how the words liberal and liberty have the same root meaning and there is a statue in NY Harbour to attest to the principle that self professed patriots rail against.
The fact no one religious can get any God to even bother to show up consistently is all the evidence needed to prove there's no God capable of that feat
@mrsatire9475 If a god appeared once it would be better than anything any religion has ever done. I'm not defending religion, I'm simply saying that asking for one to appear consistently isn't something you should ask for when one has never appeared at all.
@@sandersson2813 they always shriek that God only had to show up once as Jesus to get killed and that's all the "evidence" "proof" or whatever they think is good enough to blindly follow
It didn't take the Mormon church long to splinter, both under Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and it's a new church. The Puritans were the same. You're wrong, because I'm right is standard christian fare. 🇦🇺
As an agnostic I completely know there are possibilities in this universe that I can’t even begin to fathom. That being said, I find no divinity in the many of the so called “holy” texts I’ve given myself the time to examine.
Common sense. Any ability to observe your surroundings. Not being an infant. There's 3 pretty good ones already. Feel free to tackle those and when you finish you can have more or just put your head down on your desk.
Exactly. The god concept is a relic from a past ignorant of the natural world. A sky daddy was the best placeholder. We’ve grown out of that. Well, some of us have at least. lol
"Ayn Rand's philosophy has changed thousands of lives, including my own, and has the power to change the course of history". -Leonard Peikoff- Objectivist
@@BeefT-Sq using Ayn Rand with the word philosophy in the same sentence is the funniest thing i've read today. Was Star Wars also philosophy? Is JK Rowling the next big philosopher in this great line of genius
We may have grown out of that but the hope that intellectually derived idealogies would solve our problem has been proven wrong in the 20th century. We can't imagine our way out with God fantasies and we can't think out way out with idealogies.
It makes me sad that most of humanity seems to need religion.😢 Do they need God as a scapegoat for their actions? Do they need fear of damnation to treat others well? Do they need a church to have community, or satisfy some tribalistic instinct? I really don't understand people.
@@dragonhealer7588 me neither, but that’s literally it. Their mommies and daddies convinced them that they’ll never die like their goldfish and cats and dogs and grandparents etc. and if they’re good little boys and girls and believe in this cult doctrine they’ll have everlasting life floating in the clouds with Jesus. And i tell you what, that scar sticks FOREVER with some of them. And a lot of them grow up to be murderers because they think they’re doing god’s work and sending people to heaven or hell respectively depending on their subjective opinion. 99.6% of the prison population is Christian. I’d wager even higher in the military, especially since church attendance is mandatory in the US military. You can be an atheist, but you’re still gonna go to church. They got special punishments for those who refuse.
You're not being punished for thinking, you're being punished because your great great great (etc) grandmother ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. They gained the knowledge of the things they do that are wrong, and with it the consequences of "evil actions". You continue that long thread of "evil actions", in spite of your pure creation. I mean, reading the book explains the fucking book, I don't know why you idiots have such a hard fucking time with Christian Lore when it's been in print for fucking centuries. Seriously, actual centuries to study this shit, and you're all still screaming the theological equivalent of "If evolution is real then why are there still monkeys?" That's how dumb your fucking arguments are, they are literally explained away if you read the damn book.
Hey, Cross Examiner ... thank you so much for using the Idaho faith-healing law as an example! It's a horrible thing ... all brought to us by theists misapplying our separation of church and state principles.
How can there be an accepted definition of any god? How many denominations, sects, splinter groups are there simply within the Christian faith? These people can't agree on anything. There's no standard in a myth. 🇦🇺👍😀
This (particularly the last half of the video) is exactly I've heard many friends say things like "i know i still follow the teachings of Jesus, but i don't think i can call myself christian anymore"
I'm an atheist, but I know some decent believers and some R-soul atheist's. In general though, I agree with you. To me, a believer is always going to be a bit weird, however pleasant they might be. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@A15degreeperhourdrift When you receive that invitation into your heart and mind by faith in Christ you will have certainty on that question. Until that time, everything contained in the Bible will remain an unsolved mystery to you. I hope you will begin to be curious enough to seek Him with all your heart, mind, strength and soul - as tho it is indeed the most valuable and important journey of discovery you can make.
Let's for one moment give these theists the benefit of the doubt that there is a higher power controlling this universe. How can they be absolutely certain that there is one controlling deity and not several?
Nah, watching your kid burn their hand on a hot stove isn't forcing your kid to burn their hand on a hot stove. It's letting it happen in spite of knowing it's going to happen. Don't worry, though, your echo chamber will keep telling you that you're correct so you won't bother with critical thinking of your own.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Seriously? You are going to sit there and watch a kid burn their hands on a hot stove? What else do you sit by and watch let happen? You'll just sit by and watch a kid get "touched" by some adult? Wow!
@@erisdiscordia5429 How can he sit there and watch all that happen? Is it because it's predestined so he can't change it? Or is it because he doesn't exist so he can't anything about what happens in reality?
@@queuecee2 Man, why are you people so scared of free will? Why does it, so often, come down to you people thinking sky daddy isn't being nice enough? What a stupid fucking reason to abandon a religion. This is why you people didn't lose your faith. You just needed somewhere else to put it, so you found different books to believe and different prophets to quote. Praise Saint Dawkins, his dogma shall guide the worthy. See, I'm not a Xian because I ate a shit ton of LSD. Not because of some whining bullshit. If you want the answers, they're in the damn book. You don't want the answers, though, you just want to whine, cry, complain, and feel like you're a "better person" than those irresponsible Christians. Because Your own personal values are blocking your eyes to the truth. Letting a kid burn his hand has zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Humans have zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Heat Death will come. You will all be forgotten. Your version of "morality" is as arbitrary as God's.
@@richardcooper9167 Is it? Which god is he asking about? "The current one" would at least refer to all gods that are currently actively being worshiped. Which, funny enough, includes old Norse gods due to resurfacing of paganism and wicca-beliefs.
A Muslim might be okay with a woman being flogged or worse for not wearing a hijab. That would be completely in line with quran, no punishment is stated but suffering and torment be expected Sura Al Ahzab (33) verse 36). Another Muslim might hold that torturing a woman over head coverings is wrong. Which should I believe?
The only point I disagree with Forrest on is around the 5-minute mark when he said that the Abrahamic god drowned everybody in part because they didn't love it enough. It didn't demand love, not once during Genesis. Only worship, obedience and fear, to the point where the book says 'god-fearing' over and over but never 'god-loving'. The book (Koran and Torah as well) doesn't even try to portray it as demanding of love by its own words, only from the proselytizing of others. The adherents try to make their grotesque deity more appealing than the books that describe it. Great call guys, keep it up!
@@AtlasJotun I see I missed it, but it's rather easy to miss the minor details when he starts talking faster. However, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. God flooding the world and killing nearly all life on it is not good, regardless of what his reason is. In other words, you're missing the point of him bringing up the flood.
While I respect and appreciate Ibrahim's honest and pleasant nature, his position begs the question. If you understand and agree with almost everything the hosts are saying and disagree with every negative aspect of your own scripture, then wtf DO you believe in and WHY?
Reason, observation of the natural world, psychology, evolutionary psychology, research, science, deduction, common sense, fact-based evidence in the origins of religion, religious texts, and the millions upon millions of failed attempts of theists to prove the existence of a god … et. al.
My neighbor exclaimed that god was so great and worthy of praise. He knows I am a non-theist and so I exclaimed that no space ghost was more worthy of non-acknowledgement than the most high nothingness of non-existence and we laughed.
And if God just stands by as rape, murder, child abuse, etc. happens and watches it, and says "ah, human free will" without intervening, then he's an arsehole. Why on Earth worship something so uncaringly cruel and evil as that? "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus If he is able but not willing, then he is malevolent. And not worthy of praise nor worship. Also, I'd advise against getting your "absolute morality" from someone who is so clearly as psychopathic as this.
See the wisdom, if every time atrocities caused by human free will, God prevent it, is it free will then? Everyone live like robot? What the point of living? While in atheist believe system all happen because of chain of reaction from previous action happen without starting cause, so there is no evil nor good. Everything just chain of event caused by previous one.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of HUMAN BEINGS are clearly of no worth, value, and importance to Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously unbothered, remorseless, and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, ungratefulness, unkindness, deceits, and - 1. Satanic LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and 2. Satanic LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors. ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are clearly WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
I’m working on an argument against omniscience by virtue of experiential knowledge is unknowable to an omniscient being who has not had the experience contained in the propositional claim that describes the experience. If the experiential claim is unknowable, then an omniscient being may not know what knowable experiential claims are missing from the set of all knowable propositions. If God has not experienced what it’s like to be me, then what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being. If what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being, then I have no reason to believe God knows what it’s like to be me.
Not even a rational beginning do you have on the topic. With your FINITE mind, you're trying to say that you can describe an INFINITE mind. No can do, kid. You have a lot to learn.
@@neverendingparty7741 Luckily this is just a philosophical thought experiment since the concept of a "God" referenced is evidently nonexistent, aka "not REAL", same as the mythological "God" character in the book of historical fantasy fiction called the Buy-Bull.
@@Soylent1981 You're further parading your ignorance by your question. You're now asking me with my FINITE mind to describe an INFINITE mind. You need to start all over again & learn the basics, but I'm sure you'll find that foreign also, but that's the reality for the lost & clueless.
@@neverendingparty7741 Hey “expert theologian”, how many books of the Bible are there, and which faith and denomination within Christianity is the correct one? Hint: It’s not 66.
I don't see how anyone can say what, if anything, exists outside this physical existence. All the claims of a god making itself known in this physical existence are suspect and contradictory. I can't say no gods exist, but I haven't seen any evidence to say one does exists.
The LIE and claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUES WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH The LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH The LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
There are zero, ZERO coherent definitions of a god that are worthy of the label god. All of the common god things bandied about are demonstrably fallacious and in that sense there are no gods.
DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty4832Still LOL at you, god-boi. How many times are you going to dig the same ridiculous christian supstitionist nonsense out of your colon? Does doing that turn you on?
@@neverendingparty4832 "DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it." Projection... And look you SPAMMED the same stupid stuff yet again... you are a retread...
I'd like to have heard more from the caller - hosts should try to avoid repeating themselves so much. The caller's beliefs seem a better version of Islam than some but we didn't hear how he rejects things like the hadith & the holy status of Mohammad.
It seems that Damonkey boy is falling apart because I pointed out how he constantly white knights for the toddler bigot.😂😂😂 Look at his knee jerk response to anyone even mentioning me.🤣 My threads are full of these two helping each other cope.🤣
I doubt many atheist's 'convert'? Maybe those people who are open to believing anything they hear, but have no particular god. If there were ANY evidence for ANY god, we'd have heard it. As of November 17/11, 2024, weve heard SFA. Strange isn't it? 🇦🇺👍
I have one for God as an atheist. Here, check it. If there is no God, then there is no Satan, and if there is no Satan there is no evil. Evil exists, therefore God exists. Thank God for atheism 🙏 Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
Here's what you said in a _modus tollens_ syllogism: *P1:* If God does not exist, then Satan does not exist. *P2:* If Satan does not exist, then evil does not exist. *P3:* Evil exists. *Conclusion:* Therefore, God exists. So I guess all the evil things that the trolls here post is so that they can demonstrate that their creator of evil exists.🤷♂
"Evil exists" - Broken premise. Concepts like "good" and "evil" are relative and essentially opinions. The greatest good and highest evil all pass with the last human.
@@XMeK Even if concepts like good and evil are relative and subjective, they do exist. His point wasn't about some greatest good and highest evil. And Smochy's argument is really an internal critique of the Christian god belief.
Are you pretty good at managing filler words? If you called in, would people complain that you use filler words? It can be annoying, but it is part of how some people communicate.
Pointless complaints in yt comments should be banned. Replies to pointless complaints should be banned. I should be banned like you know and so on. Ban me. Do it.
"Militant"? When idiotic trolls don't know meaning of words, such as "militant". Thinks it's when people respond to their favorite Christian trolls. And don't know what "paternalistic" means. Or what "misogynistic" means, so pretends that their imaginary "wife" is the one who doesn't know it. An imaginary wife who calls someone queer for no reason, but is not homophobic, because the idiot troll claims that wives cannot be homophobic. 🤦♂ There's DEFINITELY something wrong here.
@@Beacon80 Did I “demonstrate your point” without slight awareness? 😂 wow Beacon you’re really good with those pointless words. Have you been practicing putting words together again?
I'm an agnostic atheist myself and long time enjoyer of this show, but frankly I don't buy it when these hosts or anyone says that if the god of the bible existed they wouldn't obey him. Really? If the god of the bible was proven to be real and the consequence of defying him was proven to be eternal horrific punishment you'd stick to that? I don't believe that for a moment. I agree with them that the god of the bible is an asshole if he's real and hell is real, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do just about anything to avoid eternal horrific torture. We're talking about ETERNITY here, people. It's easy to say you wouldn't worship him when you don't think he's real, but you're kidding yourself if you truly think your tune wouldn't change if you found out hell was real.
Thing is, if God was real then he would know how I would feel about his moral character whether or not I pretend to worship him or not. And I would go to hell either way. So I might just say what I sincerely believe because the outcome will be the same.
@@TheAlecPowers if the God of the Bible was proven to exist it would be so corrupt and self contradictory you couldn't trust it or even know how to obey if you wanted to
Given that the biblical god isn't presented as actually omniscient, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent, it's a difficult question to answer. If the biblical god can be deceived then, if real, pretending to worship them can work. If not then it's irrelevant.
soooo... if you don't agree with "those Christians" or "those Muslims", maybe call yourself something else. those people who believe those bad things that you dont believe are propped up by you "being part of their group" even though you're "really not"
Remember to report the AXP troll QC for their abusive behaviour. They will not leave people like JEdith and Apot alone. Homophobic slurs and doxxing videos.
@@Atreyu-81 For QC this comment section is his life and mission, his hugbox with his friends, which his whole world hinges upon and documents and makes videos about, that he’d collapse without.
@@Atreyu-81 Yep he makes smear videos about me, tags me, and then deletes my comments if try to respond. And blocks me from them. And he deletes and reposts giant paragraphs about me, if I try to dispute what he says.
@@Atreyu-81 He can’t handle that accountability where the person he is smearing might try to defend themselves from his malicious lies. Censorship is his only weapon.
@@petrospetroupetrou9653 "Yes, you just proved my point lol" Not really. You see, a decently intelligent person would have noticed the flaw in that logic. You are not that person...
Correct. But, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it also isn't proof of anything, so the most logical thing to do is to not believe in the claims made until evidence is presented.
How is that hadith not authentic? It's sahih hadith. Sahih literally means authentic. Is he a Shia Muslim cuz most Shias reject hadiths and they're mostly Qur'anists. Otherwise, it's sahih according to their own source, al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim where Aisha herself narrated that situation, especially how old she was and still playing with dolls
White sounding guy tries to save islaam from itself. Dude all you have to do is use the same critique that you have used against Christianity and apply it to islaam you come to the same conclusion. I'm Shia all Sunni bad poor guys is just trapped up in it Oh Allaah save brother Ibrahim from his fallacious Reasoning. 😂
18:00 on the flipside, what happens to the 'medical practitioners' when the child dies in their care, or due to their 'treatment'? After all, iatrogenic deaths [medical treatment] are now reportedly the number one cause of premature death. There are no consequences for the killers. Hence there should be no consequences for the parents, because the parents, not the state, are the guardians of the child. The 'law' is wrong. I observe again and again that you guys are just as religious. It's just that your secular religion is in competition with theistic religion. Your 'false beliefs' hurt humanity just the same, and like the other religious people, you do not acknowledge this fact. You hold many unscientific beliefs which are NOT established by 'gold standard science' [whatever that means] upon which 'laws' and 'regulations' are made that impoverish people, that create dependence on the state for survival, that destroy people's ability to produce offspring, that make people mentally ill. I don't need a religion. Not theirs, not yours.
If no intelligence to organize matter into information, no digital information. Dawkins says all life on earth is based on digital information. The information found in life is in megabyte quantities. Ask any computerprogrammer if evolutionary algorithms can form spontaneously from random collections of numbers. The same must be said for life on Earth. No Easter Bunny could do this.
So you don't understand what information is, and from that on, your misunderstanding continued. Evolution isn't random. But you would first need a basic understanding of what evolution actually is. Maybe don't make foolish conclusions about stuff, you clearly have no knowledge of.
Further, you are completely wrong about literally EVERYTHING you claimed. For example, snowflakes contain "information" about their originating conditions, and a pile of snow contains megabytes of such information, and ALL of it formed naturally.
Every government works against the interests of people, regardless of party, and 45% of the adult population recognizes that and no longer endorses the abusive system the existence of which is your bread and butter. Not just "Republicans" [in your mind]. Many of you are so far removed from the everyday struggles of the majority of people, that you can afford to concern yourselves with champagne issues. For most people the issues are far simpler. "Against women". What does that even mean? You're all literally one-issue people, as if there is nothing more important than whether you can kill your baby or not. How about all the policies that led to so many people wanting to kill their offspring in the first place?
@@jkenwell so you hate highways, clean water, food, all infrastructure, the technology you are writing this idiotic comment on, medicine, and everything else that would cease to exist without the government?
@@jacobtoomey3141This guy either didn't vote or voted for the felon. Because if the government can't be ideal, he would rather watch it burn. Must be nice being an idealist who doesn't have to worry about real consequences.
@@queuecee I know it’s just so frustrating that our country is being brought back to the worst neo-con revanchist facism and people are worried about terminating pregnancies which are not babies
@@jacobtoomey3141 Is this guy so unaware? He accuses people for being single issue. His only issue is abortion because he got indoctrinated into believing life begins at conception because southern white evangelist wanted to keep getting tax exemptions and stay racists in their public religious schools.
@jacobtoomey3141 none of that was done by government. Government is not needed for anything. They just make everything that exists 6-10 times more expensive by being costly middlemen who improverish the working people and ensure none but their corrupt friends can get ahead.
Seven minutes into the call, the caller said about 30 words... you guys didn't even know his position until the 8th minute. You guys wasted so much time. Forrest is becoming wordy like Jimmy, not good.
The caller started with an argument for atheists to give an argument against god. The hosts talked about how it's nonsensical to ask for an argument against something that hasn't even been established to exist. Like the example of asking someone to provide an argument against the loch Ness monster. And then they talked about how the Biblical god is ridiculous. Or were you under the assumption that this is some formal political debate where everyone must have an equal time. If you call in, don't have your topic be something where you ask the hosts to make an argument. Cause you'll likely complain that the hosts made the argument you requested them to make.
@queuecee I didn't call it. I'm an atheist. I have no axe to grind. I would just love it if hosts were less wordy. Notice that at 8 mins they realized that caller isn't even a Christian. It shouldn't take that long.
@@sohu86x This is a call in show. There's a reason why they have hosts. And you can tell people watch for certain hosts, not because of certain callers. The callers raise the topic, argument against god in this case, and the hosts respond. If LESS people watch the videos where Forrest hosts, then maybe they should consider if Forrest is being too "wordy".
@@queuecee I agree with sohu it started very one-sided which was ineffective communication. Their points were valid but it went on too long and they could have improved on it if they had asked some questions to clarify and zero in on the topic. IMO you're confusing a critique of execution for format. The format is fine. The execution could use fewer words for better effect. For all I knew at the start the caller could have wanted to address common god talking points and was looking for effective arguments against 'the trees' rather than oppositional discussion on proving god. This is something I try to apply to my own communication because humans don't often state their intent and confuse one another. Forrest is a great explainer but hosting requires listening skills to get deeper. Yourself did not clarify what OP meant and wanted, you did not seem to listen, but went on the offensive. When you sound like you aren't listening your rebuttal falls flat since it seems like you missed the meaning, leading to further explaining to get you to understand the OP.
@@hayuseen6683 The hosts have a job in keeping the discussion interesting and coherent. There are PLENTY of instances where when the caller is able to actively participate in the discussion in a way that's interesting, the caller speaks more. For this call. Listen to the caller and what he says and how he engages and how the hosts steer the discussion. And I addressed the points that the OP made. I was critiquing his point about how the hosts took up most of the first eight minutes, even when that time was spent addressing the caller's topic.
Who the f*ck is your post addressing!?? "Wokism" is a deity you made up?? Insensitive, inconscient, vacuous, people such as yourself always failing at being clever!! 🤣 Now, post the REAL ignorant and hateful shite that you really wanted to post behind your veil of internet anonymity, you wanker! 🤣🤣
Good argument against a specific religion, like Islam, doesn't work against theism in general, because anything within theism can be recognized as God, or an absolute authority, so the only argument that could work against theism in general, would be an argument for chaos, or complete relativism, for which there's no evidence, that's why atheism can only work as a personal opinion, and can't be proven objectively, as a default position.
@ivanos_95 I'm an agnostic theist. Being agnostic and being theist are not mutually exclusive. It's actually the most common combination. You've been advised this over and over but you refuse to accept the facts. Edit: and atheism IS the null belief position. It has no beliefs in gods. That's why it's called atheism.
@@ivanos_95 You just can't stop yourself from telling lies, can you? And really really stupid lies at that. HINT: You need to go find some really stupid people if you want people to believe your stupid bullshit.
Key word ""Arguments"". People have been ""Arguing"" over god for Thousands of years. Look at how long the ""Arguments"" in the Holiest of Holy Lands have been going on.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 Many things now proven to exist were not sensed in the past, eg subatomic particles, gases, round earth, electromagnetic waves, ....gravity waves
According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics Religious affiliation in Australia Exploration of the changes in reported religion in the 2021 Census Key findings- •Christianity decreased by more than 1 million people but is still Australia’s most common religion. °Other religions continue to increase. Australia is becoming more religiously diverse. •Almost 10 million Australians reported having no religion. WHAT DOES "NO RELIGION" MEAN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE? _"The Census religion question is designed to capture a person’s religious affiliation. This is defined as the religion to which a person nominates an association. This may be different from their practice of or participation in a religious activity. The Census also allows people to respond with secular or spiritual beliefs and to indicate if they have no religious affiliation at all"_ So, "no religion" could mean atheist or some kind of spiritual beliefs In 2021 the most common religions were: Christianity (43.9%) No religion (38.9%) Islam (3.2%) Hinduism (2.7%) Buddhism (2.4%) Quee fee and his crew ARE LYING AGAIN!😂
They love to champion that atheism is popular here in Australia. The truth is woke culture LGBTQ is hated here, just as much as it is hated everywhere else. Just like our secular media was 100% convinced Kamala was going to win, blasting their propaganda through our airwaves with their “statistics”. They’re irrelevant.
Funny how you pretend facts and truth are important to you. Blarg specifically mentioned what you posted here. So him saying what you posted is him lying??? But YOU are telling the truth for saying what he said?
@@cy-one i watched the video i saw rejection of God cz he said God doesn't prevent evil, "monster", all "moral" judgement which don't have leg to stand at all. I think all atheist at least fall into moral relativism, which cant pass moral judgement at ALL cz your moral doesn't same as other person moral.
Aren't you the one who didn't respond when I gave you research after research on how we can objectively show that fluoride is beneficial? And that if we stopped fluoridating water, children in poor households are disproportionately affected? Even in countries with nationalized healthcare?
Again. A religion is a made made system (function0 for a set of e beliefs .... in someone o something ... responsible for Life, Universe, existence. Theists believe in someone ( the gods) because of their intellect & the observation that everything including Man's body is a .... Function ... with purpose, rules & design. Atheists believe in something (Nature & time ) because of their "freewill" & deliberately ignoring everything is a Function including the Laws of Nature with purpose, rules & design.. They replace "the gods" with Mother Nature & Father time. There is a logical, rational reason for Man ( a Natural intelligence) to believe in "the gods.: There is no logical rational reason for Man ( a Natural intelligence) to believe Nature & time can make & enforce laws of Nature and make Functions with clear purpose, rules & design. And to prove your "god" is real you must either provide undeniable supernatural miracles & fulfilled Prophesies ... or .... scientific evidence. Scientific evidence ... must pass the Scientific Method (Function) designed by Man (natural intelligence) to explain natural phenomena ( Natural Functions) relying on fixed laws of Nature ( natural Functions) and this method is simply: 1. Observation 2. Hypothesis 3. Test & Predict ( needs fixed Natural Laws) 4. Conclude 5. Refine ( only if valid, true & obeys the laws of Nature). Again. Theism is based on ... the Intellect of Man ... & ... Man's observation of the world around him Atheism is based purely on the ... freewill of Man ... & ... the plain rejection of all gods but especially the God of the Bible, and a biased/subjective observation of the of the world around them. There were no Atheism Empires ... until the French Revolution ..... where the People freely rejected God, Church & Monarchies, murdered their royals, Christians and anybody who oppose them and embraced Humanist and a Natural origin of the Universe & Life a very long time ago. Prior to the 1800's .... all Nations .... naturally believed in 'the gods." .. because of their intellect & observation. And the biggest Religion that dominated the World and Europe ... was Christianity ... where God created all People equal with inalienable rights, gave them the People freewill & the Bible with the simplest instruction to follow God not Man ... love God with all you mind body & soul, and love each other as you love yourself. Christians developed the Sciences we have today not Atheists, Muslims, hindus, or buddhists, and are still the majority of Nobel Prize winners. And for over 300 years ... Christians have been using Machine Analogies (Observation) .....to explain religions, and Creation by the one an only God. Universal Functions is the fully testable Hypothesis for all Machine Analogies (observation) and is the irrefutable proof space, time, Law of nature, matter & energy of the Universe ... are Natural Functions ... with purpose, processes, properties, rules, & design (information) that can only come from the Mind of a singular, timeless, infinite, nonphysical, multidiemensional & Unnatural Intelligence with freewill & Nature callled ..... God. And Jesus Christs was prophesied in the Jewish Bible (Torah) starting with Genesis 22 being God's Only begotten Son and the Angel of God. Only Atheists can not provide evidence of the magical powers of Mother Nature & Father Time. It is a religion based entirely on the rejection of God of the Bible as it began with the French Revolution. And they will always claim they have debunked machine analogies as fake science when it's just an observation that Mankind has made for thousands of years.
Didn't even have to read that verbose diatribe, just skip down to where Atheism is misrepresented as a "religion" to know it was typical, logically fallacious, irrational, theist garbage, that tries to make Atheism...once again, the singular answer to a singular question about the belief in deities...look like it's a "religion" by lying, and conflating thing with it that are not at all related to it. Here"s the absolute BEST way to make your theistic point loud and clear. Present an overwhelming preponderous amount of incontrovertible irrefutable evidence....empirical demonstrable evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts is the best kind...sufficient to substantiate your assertions/claims about the existence of your deity/deities in our shared reality. Do that and EVERYONE on Earth can be card carrying gnostic Theists. It really is that f*cking simple🤣🤣🤣
Who cares that Christians developed some of the knowledge we have. How does that prove your god? And there is not a SINGLE human technological evidence that comes from the existence of a god. For example, the transistor effect doesn't depend on some property of god. And it wasn't discovered because something in the Bible led us to it. We didn't come up with the Big Bang theory by reading a passage in the Bible. All our knowledge could get wiped out, but we will eventually discover the same scientific principles that we have even without the Bible. All of science is naturalistic understanding of our reality, not a Christian understanding.
It's so funny how you've made up a fan fiction religion for people you disagree with but it's also kinda sad and pathetic. Also Christianity was never and is not the largest religion in the world so you can blow that populi fallacy right out your butt lol
There is no argument AGAINST god that works. Problem of evil is refuted pretty well by the Book of Job The idea that the universe is an eternal infinite regress of things has been well debunked by science. But where have we answered something from nothing? Nowhere! God’s real. End
I concur! As the problem of evil was never a thing, as God was the one who designed, created, and implemented Satan (evil) into creation. Thank God for atheism 🙏
Nope. Shut that dumb shit down right away. The caller could have been claiming he believes in Clark the magical polar bear and conversation would be exactly the same. If the caller is trying to rationalize his belief to others or perhaps himself, he called the wrong show. Religious cults do NOT deserve one shred of respect.
If you ever find yourself questioning your existence or you want answers about what your purpose is in this life,The Q u r a n is the only book in the world which will give you the true answers to these questions.
Indoctrination and inculcation into the hateful ignorant cult that worships the evidently nonexistent "God" of the KJV Buy-Bull and prostrates themselves to the idolatrous image of the crucifix has made you a very barmy, pathetic, and sad person indeed! If there truly WAS a "Yahweh/Jehovah/Elohim/Hashem/Adonai/Shaddai/Ehyeh/Tzevaot" it would be ashamed of what you've become in "His" name. TRAGIC
Every time I see this spammed comment, it triggers a violent reaction in my mind. You're lucky you're only in the digital space because if you said this to my face... well, let's just say it wouldn't go over well.
Lol, the biggest argument against God is that there are ZERO good arguments for god. It's all mythology, dude. Grow up.
Yeah, grow up because we all know a MUD PUDDLE DID IT, LOL! There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
Don’t you ever get tired of being intellectually curbstomped when you show back up NEP?
@@neverendingparty7741Psst. It wasn't a mud puddle. It was dust.
But Muslims say it was from clay, which Muslims will tell you is 20% water.
That's not science.
You offer a lie and textbook argument from ignorance as your best argument for atheism. Eighteen atheist idiots applaud your obvious lie and Argument from Ignorance.
LOL. Great stuff. Atheism is weak BS.
@@EdithBromfeld
*"Atheism is weak BS."*
Have you renouced your fellowship in the ignorant demoniacal cult of idolatrous believers that prostrate themselves to the blasphemous image of the crucifix and worship an evidently nonexistent FALSE "God"!??
I have been burdened with glorious purpose by the one ontologically objectively TRUE living God Tengri...divine creator, sustainer. And maintainer of the cosmos...to share the GOOD NEWS witn you!
🤣🤣🤣
My biggest argument is why are there even arguments at all? We only argue about things we don’t agree on. If gods existed there would be no arguments at all, right?
Wrong. There's only the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the rebellion against them. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741
Oh good, more “irrefutable facts” bullshite.
@@neverendingparty7741 You can observe gravity. There is a vacuum chamber in which a light feather and a heavy bowling ball are being dropped at exactly the same time and both fall down as if they weigh the same.
@@tonyclements1147 OH MAN! LOL! YOU COULDN'T BE MORE SPOT ON! LOL! A MUD PUDDLE DID IT! LOL! Clearly, it was a mud puddle (or star dust?) that came from nothing by nothing to do nothing and be nothing & produced the first cell with systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce, NOT TO MENTION that FIRST CELL contained the DNA blueprints for 9 million DIFFERENT species of life, the human being and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants. NAH! It didn't take a God to do that :) MOON DIRT DID IT! LOL!!
THAT is the bald face stupidity of atheism UNLESS of course, you have a better atheist explanation for reality. I'll be glad to hear it, but we both know you don't. And that means you're the very definition of being "lost & clueless" when it comes to reality. God is real and EVERYTHING we observe (e.g. life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality) is only explained by an INFINITE CAUSE that has the intelligence, power, purpose, resources & means that are FAR BEYOND that of mankind. We call him “OUR INFINITE/ETERNAL/SUPERNATURAL GOD and there is no other option. That's why no atheist has a rational/possible, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you and your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism is hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, transitional new anatomy/evolution).
Flat earthers exist and it is moronically obvious the earth is a globe
Caller seems to be a decent fellow, makes his pints and listens.
Around 22:00, caller then proceeds to infer that most of the atrocities by Islamic nations were from Sunni territories and these Islamic “theocracies” aren’t really true Islamic theocracies. This shows the bias and misses the whole point the hosts were talking about; religious doctrine can lead to bad actions, especially if they can support the motion of a god. It can blind critical thinking
When Forest said believing in “silly things “that reminded me of Monty Python and Graham Chapman when he would interrupt a skit dressed as a Officer saying “all right then, that’s enough, this has gotten too silly. “ it tickled me.
@@robertdavis942 Jesus turned me into a newt!
.....I got better....
@@CheesyChez421 Jesus is a witch!!! A witch, I tells you!
And now for something completely different
@@jjpopnfresh6822 Man, I'd love that, but these "Atheist" echo chambers have had the same script since like 1996. Not a single original argument since the dawn of the internet.
The way Cross Examiner brought it back to the Loch Ness Monster was brilliant
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410 Because in my nearly four decades of living on this Earth I have yet to come across (either by finding, or by someone presenting) one single shred of credible evidence for any kind of deity.
Considering there is more 'evidence' for the Loch Ness monster than there is for Jesus!
That was one of the best callers I've heard. Responsive, listened, thoughtful, made his points clearly, etc.
_What does self evidence mean in the legal system?_
Two men are involved in a legal dispute and present the case to you (Judge). Party A claims he gave money to B as a loan. B denies. Non of them submitted any evidence. You are the judge and you are required to issue the verdict. What will be your decision and on what basis?
B wins the argument.
الأصل براءة الذمة.
Free liability is a priori assumption.
_Quran A Guidance for Proper Reasoning_
There are two types of evidence: intellectual evidence or what is self-evident, and empirical evidence or evidence accessible through the senses. Quran endorses the following proofs:
Evidence collectively plays key role in eliminating doubt: We observe the laws and elements necessary for life come together on our survival. Its impossible for them to collectively come together on our survival by accident. There is intentionality.
Intelligent design: The fly design stunned scientists. Scientists marveled at the fly’s light engines and maneuvering techniques: They said: "from where did it get this creative intelligent concept in the first place?!!"
Life entry and exit: Creatures come out to life from a state of inanimate matter and from a state of life to a state of dead. Developing similar biological life requires advanced technology.
In a court of law, this is sufficient (Quantity) appropriate (Quality) proof of a supernatural power. Theist should win a court of law on the grounds of self-evidence. Atheist claim is dismissed.
Our expectation is that this power must identify himself, claim ownership of the universe and clarify the purpose of life. In line with our expectation, Abraham’s God made that claim.
The Early Creation and Quran 21.30-31
In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and The All Merciful:
30-Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made out of water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
31- And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways to facilitate transportation.
The Cosmos Proof:
Allah is arguing that the Big Bang explosion should create chaos. Instead of producing chaos, Quran says that the Big Bang explosion ended up producing living things, order, life, laws, variation, sophistication, habitable world (mountains and geological plains), therefore, the existence of a creator is self-evident.
Somebody must have stepped in. The creator identified himself, claimed ownership of the universe and clarified the purpose of life. Since only Abraham’s God made that claim, the creation belongs to him until somebody else claims partnership.
[1] Research field: Astrochemistry. Theory of origin of life from nonliving matter. How did we cross from chemistry to biology?.
Quran in simple terms is a book which makes the claim "i created". He added proofs as follows:
In Quran 21.30, God said heavens and the earth were a joint entity and we separated them. Joint entity was recently discovered and is referred to as ‘model of singularity’ which basically means that the entire universe existed as a singularity. Then, the big bang (separated them).
God ordered the sky and Earth to come into being from smoke. 11-Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly”. Scientists discovered the cosmic dust. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke. It is the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed.
Jesus miracles of sight ended with his death. Mohamed miracles didn't.
Comparing the existence of God case to proving a Santa Clause exist is incorrect.
Why the comparison is incorrect?
There is intentionality. Quran says reflect upon how the following elements of life come together collectively on our survival:
• Nature had to figure out how to make rain a recurrent process. scientific term is water cycle
• Rain water could have been bitter, salty, sour, carbonated etc. (nature was biased in its selection).
• Water was preserved in the form of lakes and ponds and underground water.
• Water sewerage system comes in whereby the rivers will transport the water to the sea.
• A barrier prevents salty water from mixing with the river water.
• You throw the inside of dates but in grains you eat the inside and throw the outside.
• Color diversity is a recurrent feature in mountains, fruits, plants, people, and animals. Uncolored outcome in a random selection was entirely skipped. Applying the theory of probability, it cannot be other than a biased selection.
• Seed evolved into diversity and variety
Milk and meat were necessary for human evolution. Quran wants us to reflect:
• Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 4 pairs.
• The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity.
• Since cow eats only grass, our expectation is that cow's milk should come out mixed with blood and waste and other excretions. Instead it comes out pure white liquid.
• Leveled earth stunned geologists and they gave it the term 'plains'. Why leveled? To facilitate transportation in land.
• Archimedes’ buoyancy law facilitates marine transportation.
• [Newtons law of attraction] prevents the skies from falling.
• Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 8 mates.
• The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity.
• We need stars to determine directions.
• The sun rises and sets but the moon does not.
• The moon changes shape but the sun does not.
• We need to calculate time and, surprisingly, moon is an illuminating disc (lunar) that changes shape. it divides our calendar into 4 weeks by giving 4 primary shapes.
• We need daylight to make a living and darkness to rest and, surprisingly, we find variation in the day light in a cycle of 1 day and daylight dims then turns off to be able to sleep well.
Lecture by Al-Azhar school of theology scholar late Mohamed Metwally Al-Sharawy.
Thank God for atheism 🙏
And a good Monday morning AXP fans and theists ❤❤❤
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
One of the best episodes ever broadcast. Great discussion.
It's high time that we as a species begin to grow up and get real with reality and take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors.
No evidence. Next?
The evidence is abundant; it's only fools that can't see it or purposely ignore it. It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy).
FIN
P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 Show us the evidence that your god exists WITHOUT using the bible. *The bible is the claim, NOT evidence.*
@@neverendingparty7741 👈👈👈 absolute proof that the bible g0d cannot possibly exist.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. Are you really this stupid? God wrote the Bible. The Bible proves to be the Word of God w/ it's 2500 fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus and the next 500 that Jesus hasn't fulfilled yet, NOT TO MENTION that the Bible has plenty of science in it’s 66 books. It mentions the effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding:
”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8.
” … who STRETCHES OUT the heavens like a curtain, and SPREADS THEM like a tent to live in.” - Isaiah 40:22
The Bible is all fact. However, hell is full of intelligent fools. Maybe you're just desperate to be the boss, instead of God; so you don't want God to exist. All atheists are liars (Romans 1:20), so I refuse to ask you any questions and hope for the truth.
The "ignorant people" of 3,500 yrs ago didn't have the knowledge to write what's in the Bible. The Bible is a record of observation that's written by God himself. If you think the Bible wasn't observed and documented by God, then you are poorly educated as there is more evidence for the Bible then any other historical writings. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote?
God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). The Bible is proved by it's fulfillment or prophecy & the fact that no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know the content we find in the Bible. You have a lot to learn and you’re basically starting from the point of abject atheist idiocy.
There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor DO NOT use your brain, but show me the evidence. That's a clear perspective as to how stupid you are. The Bible is the proof, but when you're a person that ignores the truth, there's no convincing to be done. Don't waste my time again.
Unlike the myth ofJesus, the myth of Santa Clause is based on a person who actually existed (Saint Nicholas). So there is more physical evidence of Santa than Jesus.
There is historical evidence for Jesus' existence, so Jesus that we know was also inspired by a real person.
@@aim3k249 Well I am not convinced. There is evidence of "messiah"s a hundred years BC or so. Nobody from 1~50CE wrote about an actual person that could have matched what the gospels claimed decades later, although there is evidence that Christians existed. The final story (and doctrine) about Jesus wasn't settled until centuries later. If someone does come up with some hard or convincing evidence that Jesus existed during that time frame it will be huge news and they will be celebrated world-wide.
@@aim3k249false. Show evidence for your claim.
@@aim3k249
What “evidence”?
@@aim3k249 "There is historical evidence for Jesus' existence" - Post some... I'll wait.
I like to use the Tooth Fairy in place of Santa Clause, and escalate the level of horrible acts in her name to see how much they'd be ok with.
Hey if you see the tooth fairy please tell them that they owe me money !!
You've gotta love 'I don't believe in Santa Claus because there's no evidence', while fervently defending their silly old book as something revelatory. What horse hockey. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@blackfly56me too. Gummy, Australia. 🤣🇦🇺
@@blackfly56 I just saw the Tooth Fairy, and they told me to ask you for your bank account number so that they can direct deposit the money that they owe you. 🤑
Absolutely! The Tooth Fairy is the thin edge of depravity! One day it's selling a tooth for a dollar, next day its killing kids for their kidneys for the illegal market in body parts!
Dear Theists
Rather than arguments, bring bring the best/strongest evidence that you have that proves your deity exists tonight on QC's live livestream.
I give you my word that if you engage with my honestly and with integrity i will do the same.
I didn't pay Carl to not come on to my live stream, since he thinks that his tremendous bigly arguments would be so devastating to the show.
He also says that he doesn't go on live streams.
So he wants to be paid to not do the thing that he wasn't going to do??? OK. Sure. Someone please pay me not to go to church. 😂😂😂
He's such an idiot. He doesn't even know what he's saying.
I'll add this: It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy).
FIN
P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741
Do you have an original thought or are they all just copy pasted bullshite we’ve all refuted and debunked ad nauseam?
@@neverendingparty7741 Why do you add ANYTHING? You are too afraid, maybe even more than Carl, to talk to real atheists.
Your lack of scientific understanding and knowledge, allowing you to declare things as "irrefutable facts" doesn't count as evidence of anything. At best, it's an evidence of your stupidity and makes me wonder how there could be NO science requirements for chiropractice. Since you didn't lose your license because of your ignorance but rather your criminal dishonesty.
You lost on the arguments and evidence here. You couldn't even engage competently, much less defeat the evidence of Fine Tuning from Modern Cosmology, nor proof of a Contingent universe with a finite physical beginning.
You were reduced to floundering, evasion and lies as you were demolished under the weight of facts. Do you suddenly get better in that perverted creep QC's squalid little channel of lies?
Just wanna say that I appreciate you guys and the care that you take with these callers. People who are doubtful need to know that yes, there is life without religion, there's decency, there's an exchange of ideas, and the journey of letting go of the security blanket that many of us held on to for so long can be difficult and scary. It's important there's someone on the other side to welcome them. I didn't have that when I gave up my belief, and it was super hard. Keep up the good work.
Funny how the words liberal and liberty have the same root meaning and there is a statue in NY Harbour to attest to the principle that self professed patriots rail against.
fuck me the autofelatio in these lame ass echo chambers.
The fact no one religious can get any God to even bother to show up consistently is all the evidence needed to prove there's no God capable of that feat
What do you mean "consistently"?
Wouldn't once be more than any religion has ever done?
Yes "consistently", once would not be enough
@mrsatire9475 If a god appeared once it would be better than anything any religion has ever done.
I'm not defending religion, I'm simply saying that asking for one to appear consistently isn't something you should ask for when one has never appeared at all.
@@sandersson2813 once would not be enough
@@sandersson2813 they always shriek that God only had to show up once as Jesus to get killed and that's all the "evidence" "proof" or whatever they think is good enough to blindly follow
@22:10 if a god's message were absolute and consistent, there would be no "branches" or denominations. That, in itself should be a hint.
It didn't take the Mormon church long to splinter, both under Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and it's a new church. The Puritans were the same. You're wrong, because I'm right is standard christian fare. 🇦🇺
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410
No original thoughts, just copy paste?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a deity that condoned father and daughter incest?
As an agnostic I completely know there are possibilities in this universe that I can’t even begin to fathom.
That being said, I find no divinity in the many of the so called “holy” texts I’ve given myself the time to examine.
Common sense.
Any ability to observe your surroundings.
Not being an infant.
There's 3 pretty good ones already. Feel free to tackle those and when you finish you can have more or just put your head down on your desk.
Exactly. The god concept is a relic from a past ignorant of the natural world. A sky daddy was the best placeholder. We’ve grown out of that. Well, some of us have at least. lol
"Ayn Rand's philosophy has changed thousands of lives, including my own, and has the power to change the course of history".
-Leonard Peikoff- Objectivist
@@BeefT-Sq using Ayn Rand with the word philosophy in the same sentence is the funniest thing i've read today. Was Star Wars also philosophy? Is JK Rowling the next big philosopher in this great line of genius
We may have grown out of that but the hope that intellectually derived idealogies would solve our problem has been proven wrong in the 20th century. We can't imagine our way out with God fantasies and we can't think out way out with idealogies.
It makes me sad that most of humanity seems to need religion.😢
Do they need God as a scapegoat for their actions? Do they need fear of damnation to treat others well? Do they need a church to have community, or satisfy some tribalistic instinct?
I really don't understand people.
All of those things, but mostly they’re afraid to die so they simply don’t believe in death.
@kennybachman35
Not to disagree, but I can't fathom that at all🤷
@@dragonhealer7588 me neither, but that’s literally it. Their mommies and daddies convinced them that they’ll never die like their goldfish and cats and dogs and grandparents etc. and if they’re good little boys and girls and believe in this cult doctrine they’ll have everlasting life floating in the clouds with Jesus. And i tell you what, that scar sticks FOREVER with some of them. And a lot of them grow up to be murderers because they think they’re doing god’s work and sending people to heaven or hell respectively depending on their subjective opinion. 99.6% of the prison population is Christian. I’d wager even higher in the military, especially since church attendance is mandatory in the US military. You can be an atheist, but you’re still gonna go to church. They got special punishments for those who refuse.
@@dragonhealer7588 they’re indoctrinated as children. You can convince a child of anything. Some never grow out of it.
Why are you an Atheist?
Arguments against a deity:
1. Being punished for using one's mind, supposedly created by said deity, to ask questions
2. Read number one again.
You're not being punished for thinking, you're being punished because your great great great (etc) grandmother ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. They gained the knowledge of the things they do that are wrong, and with it the consequences of "evil actions". You continue that long thread of "evil actions", in spite of your pure creation. I mean, reading the book explains the fucking book, I don't know why you idiots have such a hard fucking time with Christian Lore when it's been in print for fucking centuries. Seriously, actual centuries to study this shit, and you're all still screaming the theological equivalent of "If evolution is real then why are there still monkeys?"
That's how dumb your fucking arguments are, they are literally explained away if you read the damn book.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Yes. "Christian lore".
Thanks for confirming that it's fictional.
@@queuecee2 I did no such thing, but feel free to "believe" what you want. /yawn
@@erisdiscordia5429 OK. Thanks.
You guys r not only arguing against god but fighting for humanity this way... well done... keep it up 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Proof is for math and whiskey.
Show preponderance of evidence.
As a lover of both, I totally agree!
Why are you an Atheist?
Hey, Cross Examiner ... thank you so much for using the Idaho faith-healing law as an example! It's a horrible thing ... all brought to us by theists misapplying our separation of church and state principles.
Best argument? There is no accepted definition of God. God believers are all over the place.
How can there be an accepted definition of any god? How many denominations, sects, splinter groups are there simply within the Christian faith? These people can't agree on anything. There's no standard in a myth. 🇦🇺👍😀
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410
Why don’t you have any original questions that aren’t copy paste?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a deity that slaughtered babies to punish their parents?
This (particularly the last half of the video) is exactly I've heard many friends say things like "i know i still follow the teachings of Jesus, but i don't think i can call myself christian anymore"
Atheists are the best people in the world and better than some believers.
Change my mind.
I'm an atheist, but I know some decent believers and some R-soul atheist's. In general though, I agree with you. To me, a believer is always going to be a bit weird, however pleasant they might be. 🇦🇺😀👍
Believers that just keep it to themselves, I have no problem with, it’s when they start insisting I “need” their imaginary friend.
Thinking like that will only lead somewhere bad. Replace atheist and theist by any other group, and it should be clear why.
@@wwlib5390Who made that invitation?
Was it a god, or was it a man claiming it was from a god?
@@A15degreeperhourdrift When you receive that invitation into your heart and mind by faith in Christ you will have certainty on that question. Until that time, everything contained in the Bible will remain an unsolved mystery to you. I hope you will begin to be curious enough to seek Him with all your heart, mind, strength and soul - as tho it is indeed the most valuable and important journey of discovery you can make.
Let's for one moment give these theists the benefit of the doubt that there is a higher power controlling this universe. How can they be absolutely certain that there is one controlling deity and not several?
"It's not predestined but god knew that it would happen." So it was predestined then.
Nah, watching your kid burn their hand on a hot stove isn't forcing your kid to burn their hand on a hot stove. It's letting it happen in spite of knowing it's going to happen.
Don't worry, though, your echo chamber will keep telling you that you're correct so you won't bother with critical thinking of your own.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Seriously? You are going to sit there and watch a kid burn their hands on a hot stove?
What else do you sit by and watch let happen? You'll just sit by and watch a kid get "touched" by some adult?
Wow!
@@queuecee2 Me? No.
God? Yes.
You? Assumptive, it's a good look..
@@erisdiscordia5429 How can he sit there and watch all that happen? Is it because it's predestined so he can't change it?
Or is it because he doesn't exist so he can't anything about what happens in reality?
@@queuecee2 Man, why are you people so scared of free will? Why does it, so often, come down to you people thinking sky daddy isn't being nice enough? What a stupid fucking reason to abandon a religion.
This is why you people didn't lose your faith. You just needed somewhere else to put it, so you found different books to believe and different prophets to quote. Praise Saint Dawkins, his dogma shall guide the worthy.
See, I'm not a Xian because I ate a shit ton of LSD. Not because of some whining bullshit. If you want the answers, they're in the damn book. You don't want the answers, though, you just want to whine, cry, complain, and feel like you're a "better person" than those irresponsible Christians. Because Your own personal values are blocking your eyes to the truth. Letting a kid burn his hand has zero fucking impact on the cosmos.
Humans have zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Heat Death will come. You will all be forgotten.
Your version of "morality" is as arbitrary as God's.
Great call, especially for one that started with, "this could be a troll."
If god were an elected position, would you re-elect the current one?
That's a good question!
@@richardcooper9167 Is it? Which god is he asking about? "The current one" would at least refer to all gods that are currently actively being worshiped. Which, funny enough, includes old Norse gods due to resurfacing of paganism and wicca-beliefs.
@@cy-one yes it is
@@cy-one any of them???
God is God because he is the creator
Best argument against God is, that there is no good argument for his existence.
A Muslim might be okay with a woman being flogged or worse for not wearing a hijab. That would be completely in line with quran, no punishment is stated but suffering and torment be expected Sura Al Ahzab (33) verse 36).
Another Muslim might hold that torturing a woman over head coverings is wrong.
Which should I believe?
The one not holding the scimitar.
Ignore them both and just respect the rights of women.
Great discussion all around. Very readonable caller.
The only point I disagree with Forrest on is around the 5-minute mark when he said that the Abrahamic god drowned everybody in part because they didn't love it enough. It didn't demand love, not once during Genesis. Only worship, obedience and fear, to the point where the book says 'god-fearing' over and over but never 'god-loving'. The book (Koran and Torah as well) doesn't even try to portray it as demanding of love by its own words, only from the proselytizing of others. The adherents try to make their grotesque deity more appealing than the books that describe it.
Great call guys, keep it up!
Actually, that's not the right part. That's the point he made in regards to god making hell, not for the flood.
@@magnatcleo2043 4:57 "Drowning the whole world in a flood because some people misbehaved and didn't love him enough..."
@@AtlasJotun I see I missed it, but it's rather easy to miss the minor details when he starts talking faster. However, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. God flooding the world and killing nearly all life on it is not good, regardless of what his reason is.
In other words, you're missing the point of him bringing up the flood.
While I respect and appreciate Ibrahim's honest and pleasant nature, his position begs the question. If you understand and agree with almost everything the hosts are saying and disagree with every negative aspect of your own scripture, then wtf DO you believe in and WHY?
Reason, observation of the natural world, psychology, evolutionary psychology, research, science, deduction, common sense, fact-based evidence in the origins of religion, religious texts, and the millions upon millions of failed attempts of theists to prove the existence of a god … et. al.
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a g0d that slaughtered infants to punish their parent?
My neighbor exclaimed that god was so great and worthy of praise. He knows I am a non-theist and so I exclaimed that no space ghost was more worthy of non-acknowledgement than the most high nothingness of non-existence and we laughed.
it’s called Santaism. Hail Santa!
Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper?
He sold his soul to Santa.
11:00 making an argument for a developmental neurotoxin instead of for more conscious and better food consumption.
Chris Hansen: Mohammed,have a seat!
It's interesting that he agrees with everything.
And if God just stands by as rape, murder, child abuse, etc. happens and watches it, and says "ah, human free will" without intervening, then he's an arsehole.
Why on Earth worship something so uncaringly cruel and evil as that?
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus
If he is able but not willing, then he is malevolent. And not worthy of praise nor worship.
Also, I'd advise against getting your "absolute morality" from someone who is so clearly as psychopathic as this.
@@jaflenbond7854 Bejoording
See the wisdom, if every time atrocities caused by human free will, God prevent it, is it free will then?
Everyone live like robot? What the point of living?
While in atheist believe system all happen because of chain of reaction from previous action happen without starting cause, so there is no evil nor good. Everything just chain of event caused by previous one.
@@bonggasyawali1182 I'm pleased to see that you do not subscribe to the concept of original sin. Very moral of you.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of HUMAN BEINGS are clearly of no worth, value, and importance
to
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously unbothered, remorseless, and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, ungratefulness, unkindness, deceits, and -
1. Satanic LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist
and
2. Satanic LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
bring
them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors.
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are clearly WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
as
submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
under
the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Parachilna
The voice, almost thought it was Jackie, but if it was the meds are finally working, ha.
I’m working on an argument against omniscience by virtue of experiential knowledge is unknowable to an omniscient being who has not had the experience contained in the propositional claim that describes the experience. If the experiential claim is unknowable, then an omniscient being may not know what knowable experiential claims are missing from the set of all knowable propositions. If God has not experienced what it’s like to be me, then what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being. If what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being, then I have no reason to believe God knows what it’s like to be me.
Not even a rational beginning do you have on the topic. With your FINITE mind, you're trying to say that you can describe an INFINITE mind. No can do, kid. You have a lot to learn.
@ that’s such a convincing rebuttal. What exactly is an INFINITE mind? I hope it’s not a meaningless statement that has no descriptive power.
@@neverendingparty7741
Luckily this is just a philosophical thought experiment since the concept of a "God" referenced is evidently nonexistent, aka "not REAL", same as the mythological "God" character in the book of historical fantasy fiction called the Buy-Bull.
@@Soylent1981 You're further parading your ignorance by your question. You're now asking me with my FINITE mind to describe an INFINITE mind. You need to start all over again & learn the basics, but I'm sure you'll find that foreign also, but that's the reality for the lost & clueless.
@@neverendingparty7741
Hey “expert theologian”, how many books of the Bible are there, and which faith and denomination within Christianity is the correct one?
Hint: It’s not 66.
I don't see how anyone can say what, if anything, exists outside this physical existence. All the claims of a god making itself known in this physical existence are suspect and contradictory. I can't say no gods exist, but I haven't seen any evidence to say one does exists.
The LIE
and
claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUES WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Ewlyamartup
@@jaflenbond7854
🤣🤣🤣 ما قلته هو براز الثور.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
The LIE
and
false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
The LIE
and
false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
There are zero, ZERO coherent definitions of a god that are worthy of the label god. All of the common god things bandied about are demonstrably fallacious and in that sense there are no gods.
DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty4832Still LOL at you, god-boi. How many times are you going to dig the same ridiculous christian supstitionist nonsense out of your colon? Does doing that turn you on?
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 He's back to entertain all the atheists, an even theists, with his pigeon chessmaster schtick. 😂😂
@@neverendingparty4832 "DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it."
Projection...
And look you SPAMMED the same stupid stuff yet again...
you are a retread...
@@queuecee 🤣
STARTS with Russell’s Teapot. FALLACY
Easy. Lack of evidence.
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410
Why do you copy paste the same handful of questions when it’s obvious you don’t actually care about the answer?
I'd like to have heard more from the caller - hosts should try to avoid repeating themselves so much. The caller's beliefs seem a better version of Islam than some but we didn't hear how he rejects things like the hadith & the holy status of Mohammad.
It seems that Damonkey boy is falling apart because I pointed out how he constantly white knights for the toddler bigot.😂😂😂 Look at his knee jerk response to anyone even mentioning me.🤣
My threads are full of these two helping each other cope.🤣
I'm glad Damon stands up for toddlers. All degenerate reprobates like you need to keep your hands off the children.
@@EdithBromfeld
Projecting I see.
@@EdithBromfeldYou don't have the guts to say your filthy lies to my face. Coward. Keep flapping your gum from the safety of your keyboard.
I doubt many atheist's 'convert'? Maybe those people who are open to believing anything they hear, but have no particular god. If there were ANY evidence for ANY god, we'd have heard it. As of November 17/11, 2024, weve heard SFA. Strange isn't it? 🇦🇺👍
@@jaflenbond7854
🤣🤣🤣 ما قلته هو براز الثور.
@@jaflenbond7854 Nunjikompita
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 أنا أتفوه في اتجاهه العام
@@jaflenbond7854 Tambellup
@@jaflenbond7854 Malyalling
I have one for God as an atheist.
Here, check it.
If there is no God, then there is no Satan, and if there is no Satan there is no evil.
Evil exists, therefore God exists.
Thank God for atheism 🙏
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
Here's what you said in a _modus tollens_ syllogism:
*P1:* If God does not exist, then Satan does not exist.
*P2:* If Satan does not exist, then evil does not exist.
*P3:* Evil exists.
*Conclusion:* Therefore, God exists.
So I guess all the evil things that the trolls here post is so that they can demonstrate that their creator of evil exists.🤷♂
Great. I can't figure out if you just proved that man is God, or Satan.🎉
"Evil exists" - Broken premise. Concepts like "good" and "evil" are relative and essentially opinions. The greatest good and highest evil all pass with the last human.
@@XMeK Even if concepts like good and evil are relative and subjective, they do exist. His point wasn't about some greatest good and highest evil.
And Smochy's argument is really an internal critique of the Christian god belief.
@XMeK
Impeccable.👍
Santa’s rules are more fair… if we had to listen to a magical being..
Speech fillers that should be banned: I mean, like, ya know, right, blah blah blah.
Are you pretty good at managing filler words? If you called in, would people complain that you use filler words?
It can be annoying, but it is part of how some people communicate.
Pointless complaints in yt comments should be banned.
Replies to pointless complaints should be banned. I should be banned like you know and so on. Ban me. Do it.
"Militant"?
When idiotic trolls don't know meaning of words, such as "militant". Thinks it's when people respond to their favorite Christian trolls.
And don't know what "paternalistic" means. Or what "misogynistic" means, so pretends that their imaginary "wife" is the one who doesn't know it. An imaginary wife who calls someone queer for no reason, but is not homophobic, because the idiot troll claims that wives cannot be homophobic. 🤦♂
There's DEFINITELY something wrong here.
He also clearly doesn't know what "homophobic slur" means.
@@Beacon80That’s why you get pegged by your gay partner QC with those XL ribbed toys.
A radicalised tactical-militant atheist Nationalist propagandist. QC the demented coomer.
@queuecee I don't think he's even slightly aware of how he just demonstrated my point.
@@Beacon80 Did I “demonstrate your point” without slight awareness? 😂 wow Beacon you’re really good with those pointless words. Have you been practicing putting words together again?
I'm an agnostic atheist myself and long time enjoyer of this show, but frankly I don't buy it when these hosts or anyone says that if the god of the bible existed they wouldn't obey him.
Really? If the god of the bible was proven to be real and the consequence of defying him was proven to be eternal horrific punishment you'd stick to that? I don't believe that for a moment.
I agree with them that the god of the bible is an asshole if he's real and hell is real, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do just about anything to avoid eternal horrific torture. We're talking about ETERNITY here, people.
It's easy to say you wouldn't worship him when you don't think he's real, but you're kidding yourself if you truly think your tune wouldn't change if you found out hell was real.
Thing is, if God was real then he would know how I would feel about his moral character whether or not I pretend to worship him or not. And I would go to hell either way. So I might just say what I sincerely believe because the outcome will be the same.
@@TheAlecPowers if the God of the Bible was proven to exist it would be so corrupt and self contradictory you couldn't trust it or even know how to obey if you wanted to
Well, we would pretend to worship him and if he was all knowing, he would know.
If your parent(s) acted in the same manner as the deity described, would you continue to associate with your parent(s) and give them eternal praise?
Given that the biblical god isn't presented as actually omniscient, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent, it's a difficult question to answer.
If the biblical god can be deceived then, if real, pretending to worship them can work. If not then it's irrelevant.
soooo... if you don't agree with "those Christians" or "those Muslims", maybe call yourself something else. those people who believe those bad things that you dont believe are propped up by you "being part of their group" even though you're "really not"
Remember to report the AXP troll QC for their abusive behaviour. They will not leave people like JEdith and Apot alone. Homophobic slurs and doxxing videos.
He's a weird one alright. Who makes videos and spends hours talking about someone every day like that?
@@Atreyu-81 For QC this comment section is his life and mission, his hugbox with his friends, which his whole world hinges upon and documents and makes videos about, that he’d collapse without.
@@damonkenny3444 He's the poster atheist for The Autistic Experience. 😂
@@Atreyu-81 Yep he makes smear videos about me, tags me, and then deletes my comments if try to respond. And blocks me from them. And he deletes and reposts giant paragraphs about me, if I try to dispute what he says.
@@Atreyu-81 He can’t handle that accountability where the person he is smearing might try to defend themselves from his malicious lies. Censorship is his only weapon.
Depends on the god. If it's a tri-omni god? Loa loa worms.
Can't sense god in any way (5 senses).... but that is not proof of non-existence.
You can't sense the evidence that you own me money, in any way.
But that is no proof, that you don't own me money.
Do you see the problem here?
@@vertigo4236 Yes, you just proved my point lol
@@petrospetroupetrou9653 he proved your point made no difference one way or the other
@@petrospetroupetrou9653
"Yes, you just proved my point lol"
Not really.
You see, a decently intelligent person would have noticed the flaw in that logic.
You are not that person...
Correct. But, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it also isn't proof of anything, so the most logical thing to do is to not believe in the claims made until evidence is presented.
How is that hadith not authentic? It's sahih hadith. Sahih literally means authentic. Is he a Shia Muslim cuz most Shias reject hadiths and they're mostly Qur'anists.
Otherwise, it's sahih according to their own source, al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim where Aisha herself narrated that situation, especially how old she was and still playing with dolls
White sounding guy tries to save islaam from itself. Dude all you have to do is use the same critique that you have used against Christianity and apply it to islaam you come to the same conclusion. I'm Shia all Sunni bad poor guys is just trapped up in it Oh Allaah save brother Ibrahim from his fallacious Reasoning. 😂
18:00 on the flipside, what happens to the 'medical practitioners' when the child dies in their care, or due to their 'treatment'? After all, iatrogenic deaths [medical treatment] are now reportedly the number one cause of premature death. There are no consequences for the killers. Hence there should be no consequences for the parents, because the parents, not the state, are the guardians of the child. The 'law' is wrong. I observe again and again that you guys are just as religious. It's just that your secular religion is in competition with theistic religion. Your 'false beliefs' hurt humanity just the same, and like the other religious people, you do not acknowledge this fact. You hold many unscientific beliefs which are NOT established by 'gold standard science' [whatever that means] upon which 'laws' and 'regulations' are made that impoverish people, that create dependence on the state for survival, that destroy people's ability to produce offspring, that make people mentally ill. I don't need a religion. Not theirs, not yours.
the cold open of the show Mr Radio DJ want to be is all ready for the take off. starting with great Bible thumper who believe's in his exister .
If no intelligence to organize matter into information, no digital information. Dawkins says all life on earth is based on digital information.
The information found in life is in megabyte quantities. Ask any computerprogrammer if evolutionary algorithms can form spontaneously from random collections of numbers.
The same must be said for life on Earth.
No Easter Bunny could do this.
So you don't understand what information is,
and from that on, your misunderstanding continued.
Evolution isn't random. But you would first need a basic understanding of what evolution actually is.
Maybe don't make foolish conclusions about stuff, you clearly have no knowledge of.
What created then organised all of your God's infinite thoughts into a coherent, infinitely complex mind?
Further, you are completely wrong about literally EVERYTHING you claimed. For example, snowflakes contain "information" about their originating conditions, and a pile of snow contains megabytes of such information, and ALL of it formed naturally.
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Every government works against the interests of people, regardless of party, and 45% of the adult population recognizes that and no longer endorses the abusive system the existence of which is your bread and butter. Not just "Republicans" [in your mind]. Many of you are so far removed from the everyday struggles of the majority of people, that you can afford to concern yourselves with champagne issues. For most people the issues are far simpler. "Against women". What does that even mean? You're all literally one-issue people, as if there is nothing more important than whether you can kill your baby or not. How about all the policies that led to so many people wanting to kill their offspring in the first place?
@@jkenwell so you hate highways, clean water, food, all infrastructure, the technology you are writing this idiotic comment on, medicine, and everything else that would cease to exist without the government?
@@jacobtoomey3141This guy either didn't vote or voted for the felon.
Because if the government can't be ideal, he would rather watch it burn. Must be nice being an idealist who doesn't have to worry about real consequences.
@@queuecee I know it’s just so frustrating that our country is being brought back to the worst neo-con revanchist facism and people are worried about terminating pregnancies which are not babies
@@jacobtoomey3141 Is this guy so unaware? He accuses people for being single issue.
His only issue is abortion because he got indoctrinated into believing life begins at conception because southern white evangelist wanted to keep getting tax exemptions and stay racists in their public religious schools.
@jacobtoomey3141 none of that was done by government. Government is not needed for anything. They just make everything that exists 6-10 times more expensive by being costly middlemen who improverish the working people and ensure none but their corrupt friends can get ahead.
He comes on the show and he’s not even given a chance to ask his question. I don’t like when yall do this. Even though this is old.
They addressed his question. Did you watch the video? He wanted atheists to give an argument against something that wasn't ever established to exist.
@ nah. He came on and they spoke for the first 4 minutes without him asking a question.
@FlyGuyKai23 Are you saying they did not answer his question ? Do you have proof Danta exists ?
Seven minutes into the call, the caller said about 30 words... you guys didn't even know his position until the 8th minute. You guys wasted so much time. Forrest is becoming wordy like Jimmy, not good.
The caller started with an argument for atheists to give an argument against god. The hosts talked about how it's nonsensical to ask for an argument against something that hasn't even been established to exist. Like the example of asking someone to provide an argument against the loch Ness monster. And then they talked about how the Biblical god is ridiculous.
Or were you under the assumption that this is some formal political debate where everyone must have an equal time.
If you call in, don't have your topic be something where you ask the hosts to make an argument. Cause you'll likely complain that the hosts made the argument you requested them to make.
@queuecee I didn't call it. I'm an atheist. I have no axe to grind. I would just love it if hosts were less wordy. Notice that at 8 mins they realized that caller isn't even a Christian. It shouldn't take that long.
@@sohu86x This is a call in show. There's a reason why they have hosts. And you can tell people watch for certain hosts, not because of certain callers.
The callers raise the topic, argument against god in this case, and the hosts respond. If LESS people watch the videos where Forrest hosts, then maybe they should consider if Forrest is being too "wordy".
@@queuecee
I agree with sohu it started very one-sided which was ineffective communication. Their points were valid but it went on too long and they could have improved on it if they had asked some questions to clarify and zero in on the topic. IMO you're confusing a critique of execution for format. The format is fine. The execution could use fewer words for better effect.
For all I knew at the start the caller could have wanted to address common god talking points and was looking for effective arguments against 'the trees' rather than oppositional discussion on proving god.
This is something I try to apply to my own communication because humans don't often state their intent and confuse one another. Forrest is a great explainer but hosting requires listening skills to get deeper.
Yourself did not clarify what OP meant and wanted, you did not seem to listen, but went on the offensive. When you sound like you aren't listening your rebuttal falls flat since it seems like you missed the meaning, leading to further explaining to get you to understand the OP.
@@hayuseen6683 The hosts have a job in keeping the discussion interesting and coherent. There are PLENTY of instances where when the caller is able to actively participate in the discussion in a way that's interesting, the caller speaks more.
For this call. Listen to the caller and what he says and how he engages and how the hosts steer the discussion.
And I addressed the points that the OP made. I was critiquing his point about how the hosts took up most of the first eight minutes, even when that time was spent addressing the caller's topic.
Which god? You have yahweh, ra, odin, zeus, mars, wokism... You're definitinetly not arguing against the last one.
Who the f*ck is your post addressing!??
"Wokism" is a deity you made up??
Insensitive, inconscient, vacuous, people such as yourself always failing at being clever!!
🤣
Now, post the REAL ignorant and hateful shite that you really wanted to post behind your veil of internet anonymity, you wanker!
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@@albaniahenry-franklin2829
Hear hear
What is the opposite of woke? Whatever that is, that's what I try not to be.
@canderson5098 rational. And I can tell.
The one that exists, but the human brain hasn't been able to comprehend what it is...yet.
the cross examiner is not having a sceptic behaviour but hostile against the caller... he should be better trained and more open minded
Good argument against a specific religion, like Islam, doesn't work against theism in general, because anything within theism can be recognized as God, or an absolute authority, so the only argument that could work against theism in general, would be an argument for chaos, or complete relativism, for which there's no evidence, that's why atheism can only work as a personal opinion, and can't be proven objectively, as a default position.
I'm a theist and that's wrong.
The default position on gods is the null position.
More brain dead bullshit from a brain dead bullshit artist.
@@nealjroberts4050 You're an agnostic, not a theist, stop lying. Also, a null-position in case of theism, means neutrality.
@ivanos_95
I'm an agnostic theist.
Being agnostic and being theist are not mutually exclusive. It's actually the most common combination.
You've been advised this over and over but you refuse to accept the facts.
Edit: and atheism IS the null belief position. It has no beliefs in gods. That's why it's called atheism.
@@ivanos_95 You just can't stop yourself from telling lies, can you? And really really stupid lies at that.
HINT: You need to go find some really stupid people if you want people to believe your stupid bullshit.
Da best arguments for God really pray on your mind, but when you break them down, they tend to fall apart like a house built on shaky faith.
Not true!
MY "God" is different....He's absolutely real!
The sacred holy texts never ever lie and neither does my "God".
Prove me wrong.
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@albaniahenry-franklin2829 lol 😆
@@ReflectiveRealm7
*"lol 😆"*
See, you CAN'T prove my "God" ever lied!
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Key word ""Arguments"". People have been ""Arguing"" over god for Thousands of years. Look at how long the ""Arguments"" in the Holiest of Holy Lands have been going on.
@@tpseeker3367 Yeah, but now we have the empirical evidence that contradicts these theistic god claims.
We don't need to prove a god exists. One can believe in a god on a personal basis.
Lies to one's self are still lies.
I don't have to prove that you owe me money.
I can just believe it on a personal basis.
Do you see the problem here?
@vertigo4236 if you don't try to convince me that I do, then there isn't a problem. Otherwise, there is
Well yeah, you can lie to yourself.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 Many things now proven to exist were not sensed in the past, eg subatomic particles, gases, round earth, electromagnetic waves, ....gravity waves
According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics
Religious affiliation in Australia
Exploration of the changes in reported religion in the 2021 Census
Key findings-
•Christianity decreased by more than 1 million people but is still Australia’s most common religion.
°Other religions continue to increase.
Australia is becoming more religiously diverse.
•Almost 10 million Australians reported having no religion.
WHAT DOES "NO RELIGION" MEAN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE?
_"The Census religion question is designed to capture a person’s religious affiliation. This is defined as the religion to which a person nominates an association. This may be different from their practice of or participation in a religious activity. The Census also allows people to respond with secular or spiritual beliefs and to indicate if they have no religious affiliation at all"_
So, "no religion" could mean atheist or some kind of spiritual beliefs
In 2021 the most common religions were:
Christianity (43.9%)
No religion (38.9%)
Islam (3.2%)
Hinduism (2.7%)
Buddhism (2.4%)
Quee fee and his crew ARE LYING AGAIN!😂
Meanwhile, Apot falls into the smallest demographic of 0.01% of the population who are indefeasibly Dunning Kruger Stupid.
They love to champion that atheism is popular here in Australia. The truth is woke culture LGBTQ is hated here, just as much as it is hated everywhere else. Just like our secular media was 100% convinced Kamala was going to win, blasting their propaganda through our airwaves with their “statistics”. They’re irrelevant.
Funny how you pretend facts and truth are important to you.
Blarg specifically mentioned what you posted here. So him saying what you posted is him lying??? But YOU are telling the truth for saying what he said?
@@queuecee Just like your Kamala statistics failed to get her elected. Reality is what matters, not your statistics.
@queuecee BS quee fee, he stated 40+% were atheists now and rising
16:42 "Youre a very moral person" How atheist derive their moral system?
He actually said "I think you are a very moral person" so it was just his opinion.
@@holgerlubotzki3469so explain how atheist judge what is moral and immoral?
@@bonggasyawali1182 I will explain but first, please tell me if you are an honest person.
@@cy-one i watched the video i saw rejection of God cz he said God doesn't prevent evil, "monster", all "moral" judgement which don't have leg to stand at all.
I think all atheist at least fall into moral relativism, which cant pass moral judgement at ALL cz your moral doesn't same as other person moral.
@@bonggasyawali1182 So where do you get *YOUR* morality from and is it objective and absolute, or is it relative?
You are wrong about fluoride
@@chriswilkes2438 ?
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Nothing is good in large quantities. Nobody says drink fluoride only.
Aren't you the one who didn't respond when I gave you research after research on how we can objectively show that fluoride is beneficial? And that if we stopped fluoridating water, children in poor households are disproportionately affected? Even in countries with nationalized healthcare?
@@queuecee10 grams quee fee. Swallow about 10 grams. Please.
Again. A religion is a made made system (function0 for a set of e beliefs .... in someone o something ... responsible for Life, Universe, existence.
Theists believe in someone ( the gods) because of their intellect & the observation that everything including Man's body is a .... Function ... with purpose, rules & design.
Atheists believe in something (Nature & time ) because of their "freewill" & deliberately ignoring everything is a Function including the Laws of Nature with purpose, rules & design.. They replace "the gods" with Mother Nature & Father time.
There is a logical, rational reason for Man ( a Natural intelligence) to believe in "the gods.:
There is no logical rational reason for Man ( a Natural intelligence) to believe Nature & time can make & enforce laws of Nature and make Functions with clear purpose, rules & design.
And to prove your "god" is real you must either provide undeniable supernatural miracles & fulfilled Prophesies ... or .... scientific evidence.
Scientific evidence ... must pass the Scientific Method (Function) designed by Man (natural intelligence) to explain natural phenomena ( Natural Functions) relying on fixed laws of Nature ( natural Functions) and this method is simply:
1. Observation
2. Hypothesis
3. Test & Predict ( needs fixed Natural Laws)
4. Conclude
5. Refine ( only if valid, true & obeys the laws of Nature).
Again. Theism is based on ... the Intellect of Man ... & ... Man's observation of the world around him
Atheism is based purely on the ... freewill of Man ... & ... the plain rejection of all gods but especially the God of the Bible, and a biased/subjective observation of the of the world around them.
There were no Atheism Empires ... until the French Revolution ..... where the People freely rejected God, Church & Monarchies, murdered their royals, Christians and anybody who oppose them and embraced Humanist and a Natural origin of the Universe & Life a very long time ago. Prior to the 1800's .... all Nations .... naturally believed in 'the gods." .. because of their intellect & observation.
And the biggest Religion that dominated the World and Europe ... was Christianity ... where God created all People equal with inalienable rights, gave them the People freewill & the Bible with the simplest instruction to follow God not Man ... love God with all you mind body & soul, and love each other as you love yourself.
Christians developed the Sciences we have today not Atheists, Muslims, hindus, or buddhists, and are still the majority of Nobel Prize winners.
And for over 300 years ... Christians have been using Machine Analogies (Observation) .....to explain religions, and Creation by the one an only God.
Universal Functions is the fully testable Hypothesis for all Machine Analogies (observation) and is the irrefutable proof space, time, Law of nature, matter & energy of the Universe ... are Natural Functions ... with purpose, processes, properties, rules, & design (information) that can only come from the Mind of a singular, timeless, infinite, nonphysical, multidiemensional & Unnatural Intelligence with freewill & Nature callled ..... God. And Jesus Christs was prophesied in the Jewish Bible (Torah) starting with Genesis 22 being God's Only begotten Son and the Angel of God.
Only Atheists can not provide evidence of the magical powers of Mother Nature & Father Time. It is a religion based entirely on the rejection of God of the Bible as it began with the French Revolution. And they will always claim they have debunked machine analogies as fake science when it's just an observation that Mankind has made for thousands of years.
Didn't even have to read that verbose diatribe, just skip down to where Atheism is misrepresented as a "religion" to know it was typical, logically fallacious, irrational, theist garbage, that tries to make Atheism...once again, the singular answer to a singular question about the belief in deities...look like it's a "religion" by lying, and conflating thing with it that are not at all related to it.
Here"s the absolute BEST way to make your theistic point loud and clear.
Present an overwhelming preponderous amount of incontrovertible irrefutable evidence....empirical demonstrable evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts is the best kind...sufficient to substantiate your assertions/claims about the existence of your deity/deities in our shared reality.
Do that and EVERYONE on Earth can be card carrying gnostic Theists.
It really is that f*cking simple🤣🤣🤣
Who cares that Christians developed some of the knowledge we have. How does that prove your god?
And there is not a SINGLE human technological evidence that comes from the existence of a god. For example, the transistor effect doesn't depend on some property of god. And it wasn't discovered because something in the Bible led us to it. We didn't come up with the Big Bang theory by reading a passage in the Bible.
All our knowledge could get wiped out, but we will eventually discover the same scientific principles that we have even without the Bible. All of science is naturalistic understanding of our reality, not a Christian understanding.
When you say atheism is a religion, is that a compliment or a criticism?
It's so funny how you've made up a fan fiction religion for people you disagree with but it's also kinda sad and pathetic. Also Christianity was never and is not the largest religion in the world so you can blow that populi fallacy right out your butt lol
_"There is a logical, rational reason for Man ( a Natural intelligence) to believe in "the gods""_ 👈👈👈 *BULLSHIT!!!*
There is no argument AGAINST god that works.
Problem of evil is refuted pretty well by the Book of Job
The idea that the universe is an eternal infinite regress of things has been well debunked by science.
But where have we answered something from nothing? Nowhere! God’s real. End
Sorry. I don't believe in something from nothing created with a magic spell.
You're getting these from a "101 Arguments that Atheists Can't Answer!" site, aren't you?
I concur!
As the problem of evil was never a thing, as God was the one who designed, created, and implemented Satan (evil) into creation.
Thank God for atheism 🙏
Yes, many Gods are real in the minds of man. Thinking a God into existence is way better than defining one into existence 😊
@@canderson5098 yep. Gotquestions.
What of it?
Gosh let the caller talk
Well he does ask these two a lot of questions.
Nope. Shut that dumb shit down right away.
The caller could have been claiming he believes in Clark the magical polar bear and conversation would be exactly the same.
If the caller is trying to rationalize his belief to others or perhaps himself, he called the wrong show.
Religious cults do NOT deserve one shred of respect.
If you ever find yourself questioning your existence or you want answers about what your purpose is in this life,The
Q
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is the only book in the world which will give you the true answers to these questions.
The answer to what happened on the eleventh of September is found in Surah 2:191
Is what's in the Hadith true? Did your prophet TRULY wait three whole years to consummate his marriage of his SIX YEAR OLD "wife"?
Spam Boy, where’s sperm come from in that book of “true answers”?
Totally agree kiddo, Quran helped me plenty of times when I was in need, it's specially usefull as toilet paper:)
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Become a new person in this life - John 3:16, Matthew 4:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Indoctrination and inculcation into the hateful ignorant cult that worships the evidently nonexistent "God" of the KJV Buy-Bull and prostrates themselves to the idolatrous image of the crucifix has made you a very barmy, pathetic, and sad person indeed!
If there truly WAS a "Yahweh/Jehovah/Elohim/Hashem/Adonai/Shaddai/Ehyeh/Tzevaot" it would be ashamed of what you've become in "His" name.
TRAGIC
How many gay people have you unalived like your evil Bible tells you to?
Your constant deliberate failure of 2 Timothy 4 means this is just spam
Bot for JC.
Every time I see this spammed comment, it triggers a violent reaction in my mind. You're lucky you're only in the digital space because if you said this to my face... well, let's just say it wouldn't go over well.
This argument is irrelevant. There will always be “irrational” and “irrelevant” people. What is your goal?