Wheat Waffles discusses the biggest issues facing guys and dating PART 2
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- On this episode of The Emily & Todd Podcast, UA-cam star Wheat Waffles goes in depth with who should pay for the first date, how much to financially invest when dating, dating options for "sub-five" men, expectations within a relationship, and other dating strategies.
Welcome to The Emily & Todd Podcast, where dating and relationship topics are discussed in depth from both the male and female perspective. As a popular TikTok star, Emily King is known to give dating and relationship advice that is unexpected. With Todd’s years of experience in the field of psychology, he brings a professional perspective on mental health and men’s issues. It’s no surprise this podcast has some uncomfortable discussions but with some real solutions.
Wheat's level of intelligence is respectable whether or not one subscribes to his ideas no pun intended. He's def able to hang with ppl with more life experience
No, he's just executing the black pill strategy. Don't put yourself with people smarter than you.
@@eprjct he certainly would put himself with you then =P
Exactly spot on. Then women who go on dating apps are completely rotten.
"Whoever initiates the date should pay" is a super convenient model for women, as men are expected to initiate the date. It's like saying whoever has the pe*is should pay, and present that as fair.
women do not want mixed payment....it's pure BS that does not play out in reality....just like all the woke, feminist nonsense.
Like the Americans say it - "Bang on"
I think it disadvantages the average man from a financial standpoint. Especially when we consider women are financially more on equal footing now with also higher college success rates
@@avathiana866 Of course it does.
Pay for your own shit lol
Bro Todd looks like wheats dad
haha thougt the same, even the voice :D
From a former divorce attorney who loves dating, and has enjoyed many dozens of relationships with women up to this day, including the one who had my 3 children: guys - don't get married if you can possibly avoid it; EVERYBODY: DO NOT GET MARRIED WHILE YOU ARE STILL IN LOVE! If you really want to get married, wait til the "in love" part has faded (this can take over a year) then see if you still like sharing space, seeing the other as your support system, and being intimate on a very regular basis. If you go through a life challenge and support each other, that's a plus. If it still feels good at this point, your marriage may have a chance. I never got married and never will, still have sex many times each week with the mom of my kids after decades, no pull back from her. We could each leave anytime we want, but so far we haven't.
A year later and you're not in love?
@@-whackd The initial crazy endorphin rush whenever you think about the other person, the compelling need to see each other, the "obsession" like feelings wear off from simply having its fill. Then you are left with the real person, and you either still love them and love being around them (okay, go for the ring) or you don't (thank G you didn't get married while you were both still high on being "in love").
That's the perfect scenario. Girlfriend and kids. No marriage, no government involved. You are one lucky man.
I don't think most people will marry within a year though. Most people have common sense and will test the waters in the relationship for 2-3 years before even considering marriage.
@@mrdouche9172 men with common sense do not marry at all.
Please follow this person's advice if you want to have shallow relationships. If you want to have a deep relationship, find someone of character (merely being "in love", whatever that means, isn't sufficient) and actually commit your life to them.
"whoever asks should pay" is just bullshit. Men are still always expected to ask for the date so it's just a platitude meant to shift the appearance of it without giving anything up. Women want men to pay because it benefits them and nothing else.
Emily you’re not saying anything about the women actually paying! You always skirt the issue and don’t ever actually say when and how the women should ask the guy out and fully pay!
You won’t quantify it for obvious selfish reasons, you yourself want to propagate the tradition forever! You don’t want to pay yourself! Greedy!
Anything Past date ten is a relationship and it’s 50/50 or 60/40 at the absolute most but you refuse to quantify it!
Honestly, every single woman I’ve connected with on tinder has got me to open up and then promised a date and ghosted me. Today I’m done w it. I’m used to dating in reality. I don’t have time to waste talking to a stranger and telling them about me at all online then get ghosted. I work 60 hrs a week. Don’t play with me. If you’re not trying to meet someone then don’t talk to me on tinder like wth man
Yea same but, I don’t have many other options to meet girls. I live way in the country and work with mostly guys. Soooo I’m pretty much screwed
@@9877bryan sounds about right, honestly. I even in the city no one barely looks at anyone even. You’re kind of considered weird for making friends in reality with the younger generation. In my 30’s now. I’m a tradie and even the ones in the trade are stuck up and guarded as hell. Idk live in city and still feel invisible.
Space Kadet : Did you message them first on Tinder?
Thats why you shouldn't invest any time/energy in them until you've physically met. Poke fun at them, have a brief light conversation, then ask if they are busy and want to meet up. Keep it short so you don't get frustrated by them wasting your time. If they like your looks they will meet, if not they were just trying to use you for validation.
That's on you dude. You're supposed to use Tinder to set up a date. You get to know them on the date, not by texting.
great discussion, wheat waffles is a very nice guest.
The aging and dating analogy is true if phrased as:
"Men age like wine"
Not fine wine, just wine in general. Some wine is intended to improve with age and does age well, however the vast majority of wine is intended to be consumed within a few years of production.
Money men get more refined with age but it is certainly not most men.
Money men? What
there's not a man on this planet that enjoys spending his money on a woman that had other alternatives to dating or looking to seeiously date.. i.e going on a date for a free meal.
where do you go to find women who truly want to date, so that way spending your money is worth wild EVEN if you're not a match at the end of it.
My manager told me years ago her friend would go on dates for free meals😂😂
You can’t it’s either she’s attracted or not
@@ThusItShallBe wow, how profound....never heard that before.... lol that's day one stuff
@@sunkillsmoon hearing it in person and never experiencing not saying it’s profound it was a shock so much so I didn’t even fully realize how fucked up it was till after that day…
When Wheat met this guy, he said "daddy!"
If a man paying is “showing that effort” then what is considered the female equivalent of showing effort? The whole “whoever asks should pay” pretty much defaults paying for dates on men. It’s 100% lopsided. Ideally all dates would be Dutch to eliminate expectations and put the focus on the connection between both parties.
Imagine being unironically expected to pay for a stranger on a first date just because of your sex
My one rule is that I only follow up to plan second dates with women who send a thank you text that night after.
It's a simple gesture. But it ultimately shows gratitude, and points to signs of loyalty. If I don't get a thank you text after, I walk away regardless of how fun it was or how hot she was. 💯
That's a simple yet effective rule. I follow it as well.
I'd have to disagree. This feels akin to some of the "shit tests" that people complain about women doing in relationships: it's an arbitrary evaluation you make based on a single data point that the other person doesn't even know they are being tested on, and with so much weight. They could be truly into you and honestly had a great time, but just aren't the type of person to send those messages, or didn't think to or didn't get to for whatever reason entirely unrelated to you or the date, yet you'd cast a great date and connection aside over it.
@@KIndustries1000 - That's the thing about individual beliefs. You don't have to agree and can do what you want. Just like I do what I do.
BTW - It is funny that you think expecting a simple act of common courtesy to be overly unreasonable. 🤣
Here is the thing though - if she really likes you, she will not mind splitting the bill. Because she will not want to cause inconvinience for a guy she likes.
Remember, girls make rules for normies, and break them for Chad.
Not paying for a date will just filter out all the women who don't find you attractive and will waste your time. Because guess what, it's the current year, the chances are the girl had already jumped in bed with a Chad she just met without him paying anything.
Also, why do men think you should pay first dates, and you can split later in relationship? If you already established you pay for dates, this is what will be expected from you all the time.
spot on.
Exactly. Ww is a slave sticking to the plantation.
@Dnpe Yeah, every time I smashed or made out, I've put minimal effort, did not even pay for a drink.
I respect the independence of modern women by letting them pay for themselves.
They might complain, but guess what - they don't respect the dudes who pay for dates. Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
If you’re concerned over $$. A gf / wife is 100000x a date
I know people will say principal.
I say if you are even thinking about $$ mount. U cannot afford what’s between a woman’s legs. Pure and simple. They have options just as much as you. It costs for rights most the time
@@ssing7113 Even Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Will Smith, Johnny Depp and other high tier men with loads of cash could not make their women happy - meanwhile broke Chads are smashing chicks till their d*cks drop off for free.
If $$ is what it's all about, then I would rather go to professionals - you get more bang for your buck without all the BS.
49:00 Women no longer need men for survival, so they'd rather be alone than be with someone they feel is too unattractive for them (their looks match)
The solution is there is no solution it’s over
Feminism and social media have ruined dating forever for the average man and and women.
My prediction is that liberal/feminism/woke west will see a catastrophic population decline over time as birth rates continue to decline and the more conservative cultures leaning towards traditional gender roles will naturally take over purely through numbers and roll back womens freedoms over time until we are back to where we were at the turn of the 20th century if not the 19th.
@@annatar6453 i dont think is ruined for forever but i do think that is mostly fwucked in our lifetime atleast, but i do think that after 2-3 generations the problem will get fixed as people get more and more woke about the dating situation.
@@annatar6453 naw. Just exposed the truth
@@annatar6453no, change is possible but it’s going to take a lot of work. Sitting online all the time complaining about it isn’t going to help.
Even though wheat waffles is a lot younger than Todd and Emily he has obviously done a lot of homework which led to such a great discussion here.
Does he ever talk about his own dating experience, or is he just burying himself in the data?
SPECIAL COMMENT: Women should be honest about what they want to find in a man. If they like looks then they should seek looks and should not lie to men who are average looking that they like a man with a good heart. That is just hypocritical and hurtful. Women who are Stacy's and Jackie's should not be liars and should really go for the guys that they really want in life regardless if they have luck or not, but they should focus on those men until they find someone good-looking. It would not be fair if they focused on a beta nerd once they hit 35 years of age. Women who are Stacy's and Jackie's should focus all the way to the end in finding the man that they really want, period. July 14, 2023. USA.
Love the podcast! Great discussion and its awesome seeing that girl from Tiktok!
Lol, all these comments saying Wheat Waffles is such a genius, but he says some of the dumbest things possible. I looked up the singer he talked about and her parents are like 60! They were probably pretty good looking when they were young. He seems to have no concept that people get old. Everyone is a sub5 after 60-70. And he kept going on about how that TikTok guy must go to the gym so much like that is the greatest human accomplishment. I don't know anything about the guy's wife but just because she's fat doesn't mean she isn't working on herself and improving or whatever.
15 dollars for a first date? Where does this guy live? A first date is at least 30 bucks for a couple drinks, inflation means all prices went up like 30%
There needs to be a trend in general that is like the brazilian steak houses. Have a green pin if you are available and have a red pin you are not available.
Why don't they discuss the dangers of getting a venereal disease?
@1:11:29 -- I have quite a few ladies taking dance classes.
This guy wheat is great 👍🏾 nice sense of humour
Miranda Lambert’s Husband lol. She is like Sugar Mom lol.
This is really depressing, cause I’m a 3 at BEST. Even in my youth when I was skinny. Now this basically says I’m probably never getting laid again unless I pay for it. Ugh.
Have you put serious effort into looksmaxxing?
Just pay the 403 to get you off. You dont get anything from a relationship with em, since they manipulate and try to control you. You have more time for hobbies and yourself, while the "attracrive guys" with their modern women have to be under their boot 24/7 and will have to make compromizes and sacrifices all the time until they become a shadow of their former self. There is nothing they can give you anymore. Love? Nah, they dont love you for your character and soul, but for your looks and how they can boast with you in society. Care? If you get sick or disabled, they dump you and move on because "they still want to experience life". Happiness? Yeah, until you realize that banging and spending money and her constant nagging eats away at your nerves and soul.
Its all about sizes, money, looks and completely insane standards. You wont be a boyfriend or husband; you will be a donkey and workhorse until she dumps you.
Yup it’s over for most men if your short ugly balding ethnic or non whyte passing its to a point why try you either have to have a lot of money status or it’s over or pay for it or move abroad those are your options
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast looksmaxxing can only take you so far your limited by your genetics face height hair race
it is reality, you don't get a say in it
The Yoga class thing is surely too obvious? Like all the women will know _exactly_ why you're there, as in a "What a creep" sort of thing...
Lol u care so much about what others think. Servile
@@arthedainedain9846 Ah jeez... Look, everyone on the normal functional mental spectrum cares to some degree what others think. That's the truth. This "Yeah well, I don't give a fk what others think!" hardman nonsense is just bs. Always has been. Everyone cares. And that applies even more so with women.
So, getting back to the original observation, what is the point if you look like that one desperate guy in the class, thus automatically turning off said women from day 1?
@@JammyGuns ok fair enough. And yet I've done 130 approaches over past couple months and slept with 5 girls. Two of them, in my mind, and objectively, being 9s. You dont get good things in this world without taking risks and being willing to "look foolish" sometimes.. Your ancestors probably fought battles just for survival. Meanwhile men nowadays are like "I'll look creepy" and do literally zero to take control of their own lives.
@@arthedainedain9846 That's a fair point, I can see what you're getting at.
@@JammyGuns 100% agreed. Functional societys are literally built on caring what others think. It makes us all accountable for our actions. Keeping us in line. Otherwise we’d all be out here doing whatever we wanted, however we wanted, to whoever we wanted, and we’d have collapse as a result.
Anyone who says ‘i dont care what other people think’ is more time than not an absolute liar. And the ones who arent liars are often dead or in jail… for good reason.
Whomever asks pays. Period.
Men should pay for the 1st or 2nd date and maybe beyond ..but if the 1st or 2nd date is dinner in a restaurant you’re being played.
lol @ paying
Dinner at a restaurant as a first date is a ridiculously lame self cock-blocking.
She gets a coffee or a drink. (As i’d just as easily give that money to a homeless stranger i dont know) Nothing more untill we’re exclusive and she’s no longer being piped by other guys. Protect yourself at all times… or be a childish girls fool.
the issue is that people don't talk to each other anymore. I miss talking to strangers
No you don’t
@@lawrencechukwuemeka93 what makes you say that?
Old men on the bus will talk to ya
@@-whackd as long as the conversation is appropriate, I would enjoy that. I've had a conversation with an older man on the bus before
I do cold approaches and meet great women like that. Bc I'm not a preter simp
22:18 what?
The Chad with the ugly girl from high school, is a case of "wife goggles" where a guy holds on to the old image in his head.
Normally it is not so severe, buy women age at twice the rate of men.
Whoever asks the other out should pay, and scout the prices of where you intend to go beforehand.
Yes, women should offer to pay, only if they expect to be called on it. Because if she offers to pay something, I'll always accept that offer. On the other hand, if she doesn't even make the offer, it shows me, in my interpretation that she is expecting me to pay her way through an entire relationship. That's one where I give and she takes and I get the benefit of her company as a "reward." If I wanted that, I'd get a cat. Personally, I'd want a full and equal partner in a relationship.
Sorry sister....if there are "seasons" then marriage is not possible. It is the marathon, long hall in theory.
If it was the other way around it would be different. There is this famous tik tok girl who's gorgeous, but her boyfriend is not. The amount of girls saying: What the heck? why are you with him? he is not a 10!
@50:17 --- I guess that is where the warm approach comes in.
21:40
‘Whats the solution’
*An asteroid* ☄️
Nah, just joking (kinda) do your best fellas, and let the cards fall where they may.
57:56 Yeah. It's fucking over for me.
No cookie cutter solutions. Do whatever works for you..
Wheat is a good guy . But let’s be honest if he was a 6ft 3” sporty chad he wouldn’t be sitting there telling everyone how bad modern dating is
Yall just have a horrible personality lol
@Rick Sin lol no he doesn't. He's 5'10 so that automatically marks him off of most women's list
@Rick Sin anything below 6'1 is short to women dude
Of course.....and most guys aren't that. He is just pointing it out. Chads don't care about these issues.
Can sub 5s have kids that are Chads and Stacy's and like wise can Chads have sub 5 kids?
Very very rare unless the sub5 father has a normie/chad brother, likewise same with the mum. Sub5 fathers have sub5 sons on most occasions, speaking from experience (I'm a sub5). My dad's a sub3 and so are all his bros, his youngest bro is probs a sub2.
@@rogersevers123 I guess that is right but if two people of different races have kids together they might be able to have non sub five kids, I think.
@@tbrown4080 That's a possibility certainly. Kids would be more exotic looking.
Mix is the best route. As yea higher percentage of attraction.
But generally speaking yes it’s biology to mate on your level to insure offspring matches and comes out similar.
What was that book. Why beautiful people have more daughters..
I just would wanna make certain that at least the lady is decent and we have mutual interests in life before proceeding with dates
Yoga class is actually a terrible option(I have tried that really). For the first little while, women will passively see you as a creep(because you're the only dude in there). Like I'm not shy or anything but overall I find that there is very little room for conversation/getting to know someone. This was my logics too that in a Yoga class it would be perfect because it would be majority women so little competition. Like I find the only conversation I had was with the owner(usually to sell me a membership option which was quite pricey overall). I'm sure there are guys out there who get success out there. But overall these activities I find aren't much different than dating apps. I get overall little attention. Like I even tried hiking groups and same experience. Only the odd boomer that goes there. A young attractive woman that you would consider a dating prospect just isn't likely to make an effort to go there. So maybe the solution is to spend EVERY evenings doing something out there. I just find that extremely demanding and don't really have will to do this.
In my experience, if the yoga instructor is a man,he sees you as competition in his space. He will take every opportunity to make you look bad to the class by pointing out your flaws and ensure you don’t have a chance to move in on his heffers.
1st date make it a lunch date
That chick being a women still believes in true love and that Disney love opposites attract bs
Dutch till 2nd date
49:30 true
You’ve all got interesting points
Communication is key
vocal fry
24:30
Emily is such a sweetheart
simp
Simp
My advice to men in dating is to become a Chad or die trying
Develop your personality
There are dudes who just can not do it. If you are a manlet who is balding and an ugly face there aint much you can change about it.
What you are saying about "wait for a month before telling a woman how much you earn" is WRONG. Because all that does is delay the inevitable. Just because you didn't tell her on day 1, doesn't mean she won't leverage you for beta bux on day 600. What you really ought to be doing is showing her who you are early on WITHOUT explicitly stating it to see if she is still willing to pay her half of the date. Of course this is extremely difficult... But you have to discipline yourself, for your own good, to do it.
Is this podcast on spotify as well? I tried finding it but wasn't able to!
It’s only on UA-cam. Thanks for watching/listening
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast
You should also post to Alt-Tech like Rumble and Odysee as the manipulation due to hurt feelings is not applied there.
Yasss
We need more advocates for men. You are amazing I can't thank you enough ❤️
Not only South East Asia , South America also,
Todd is trying to be “I always try to pay on first date” like act like gentleman, then he is SO judgemental :”I do care if she offers”. Isn’t that just as judgemental as women judging men half half. ???
In chinese culture, men pay. First date, if u are NOT paying, it’s like disgrace. In Japan , if woman offer to pay, or u offer Waitor tips…its insult.
Stop being judgemental.
Of course you had to sneak in the face rating grift right at the end. WW intentionally makes normies feel like garbage so they pay him for a face rating even though he is like 22 with no actual qualifications to do so. He just rates almost everybody 4-6 and gives the same super basic advice you will get anywhere for free.
Pretty much. It's easier to post a free photo on photo feeler to get ratings from a bunch of woman.
Cmon man, Get out of your feelings. This is female behaviour. No his ratings aint perfect, but theyre pretty near spot on. I dont think he’s intentionally trying to make anyone feel bad. If he gave you a low rating, its likely cos your face reflected it. Don’t be bitter, be better.
And of course he’s gotta plug his service in the end. Buisness is buisness. You’re supposed to promote your stuff. I would hope you’d do the same with your own buisness (if you have one) else you’d be failing at it.
@@Kumari_44 Haha a man rating men is sus behavior and not something I would ever do. WW is a pure grifter, stop simping.
When Wheat met this guy, he said "daddy!"
He does a lot into facial analysis. Are you expecting the average human . . to be above average 😂 😂 😂
Who pays for the first date (or the second too for that matter)- Simple a man pays. If you can't afford to pay for dinner two times, then you have lost the battle already my friend. I feel there are certain rights bestowed upon a woman. And being courted is one of them. Bite the bullet and do it. But choose carefully who you select to spend on.
First dates (and some subsequent ones) should always be split. I have NEVER agreed to a date when she wanted me to pay! The only time a man should pay for dates is when he has already bedded her and initiated the relationship. Until sex has happened the man should not pay. That said, the initial date should always be a café or modestly priced restaurant.
I would like to settle the “who pays on the first date” debate once and for all. Whoever initiates the date and picks the place pays for the date and 90% of the time that will be the man. It’s absurd to expect someone else to pay all or even their half (depending on the cost) without knowing their financial situation.
Im sorry, i know this may sound awful, but Todd sounds weak AF. His story about being emotionally broken up about losing his connection with some divorced woman’s child after dating the divorcee and she breaks up with Todd and gets BACK TOGETHER WITH THE MAN SHE DIVORCED speaks volumes about ToDD’s low energy manly vibe. It sounded pathetic and i felt bad hearing that for him.
It's comical how people are hyping wheat waffles and giving him a platform at his age when he has close to fuck all cold approach or dating experience. He's not talking from a place of experience and credibility. Most of it is conjecture. He's too young to really know what he's on about.
Theory could come to a place of truth too why do you think so many people “with experience” agree with him or think it’s even darker than he says it is…like thinking ape and faceandlms and other blackpillers
Keep coping he is telling the reality you can’t accept
OP is coping hard. Look at the data, and, look at observable reality.
He has been balls deep in two human females. He's killin it.
Those who don't cold approach are beta simps