The first Light vs. Best game was seriously one of the sickest games I've ever seen, the arbiter recall onto Lights army + stasis was like a protoss wet dream
Best really is the best Macro Protoss. That goon movement was INSANE. He's everywhere! Shuttle played extremely well vs Light. He missed the 3 tank sneak out, got dropped, had to cancel his 3rd, and Sill managed to go carrier and get a third. Such a good game.
@@utarian7 He played hella well dude. 8 gate MAcro while going carrier somehow securing a third and somehow taking huge fights in the map buying time for carrier. I mean Light didn't play super well, but common "Quite horribly" ? Ok so that 3 tank moveout dodging the observer, canceling the third, and then doing a drop right after killing a bunch of probes is "Quite horrible"? He played really well too.
@@alexfriedman2152 No man this was not Light anywhere near his best. Light at his best wrecks Mini, and utterly destroys Rain. Light at his best, as artosis put it, has an inevitability about him. That was felt in the first game against Best. But against shuttle, he made dubious decisions. The move out was strange in the first game. The 2nd rax blind to him, transparent to shuttle, was awful, but it worked because Shuttle was even worse with his refusal to cannon. The third map Light should have vetoed (I'm counting that as bad play).
I keep thinking the same thing! I'm a great fan of Artosis, but he keeps gushing and I keep wondering how the "clearly best Terran" can keep getting his a$$ handed to him. It's not like Light is getting cheesed; he's just getting out-thought and out-played, over and over. Very weird.
@@SplashJohn The thing is that all of the pros also say that Light is the best player. Seeing him perform so under expectation is disappointing, but Artosis isn't just talking out of his ass about Light.
Spoiler So happy to see Best perform just like in KCM where he's kept smashing all the best Terrans this year. He clearly was hyper focused, controlled all his units all the time all over the map, and that multi-Arbiter recall was glorious.
Get ready to see a lot of mirror matchups of P and Z in this and future ASLs. Terran is looking seriously underpowered in the current meta at the top level.
It's amazing how after the golden era, where Terran bonjwas kept appearing one after another, we're suddenly in an era where Terrans aren't really even competitive. It's probably the most micro intensive race though, so I can kinda see why: there's nobody with the control of peak Flash or Xellos or Oov, or even Nada or Boxer (though of course they benefited of a far less developed scene and less skilled opponents) around. Like Flash is physically incapable of that nowadays post-wrist surgeries (he IS only 31 so otherwise, once he gets his rust off, he could still be a top force since he's smart as hell) and the others are already 40+ (okay, Xellos is only 39) so their physical abilities have inevitably deteriorated. And no new truly impressive (to bonjwa-levels) Terrans have appeared since BW Remastered while we have the likes of soulkey and sn0w, who have done great for their respective races.
I think the Best vs Light game is just a revolutionary late game PvT approach. Theoretically, if T manages to max-out in the 200 against 200 supply late game fight, the victory is almost secured. However, Best proves that buying time for Arbiter recall to the main base and destroy deports to create a long time supply block for Terrace is really good late game approach which have huge damage on economy and cut-off resupply for over 2-3 minutes of Terrence army that leads to significant Protoss advantage. Really epic game by Best.
also the recall looked really bad at first but in retrospect Best knew exactly what he was doing. Light would have won a massive base trade if Best had done a huge recall
The recall to the main destroys over 110 supply of deports. At first, Light didn't even care much and continue pushing to the main of Best, Considering no damages on the factories or other natural. However, the next 2 minutes completely change the game, the 110 supply-block makes Light spend over 1500 minerals to rebuild deports and cut-off of resupply. The end game approach of Best in late game is really revolutionary and efficient.
Thank you Best for creative arbiter use. Overall I admire Best for stepping on the gas and purely outvaluing his opponent once the opportunity presents itself, and no later. Losing to that kind of bald-faced fundamental play forces people to reassess and metas to shift. In regards to Light, you must appreciate never handing the enemy the gun with mine placement. Also good guy Shuttle letting Light keep his assimilators LOL
I just watched some games/casts from Season 13 and I really appreciate the higher ingame sound volume. It 's just a little more immersive. You guys agree that the ingame sound could be cranked up a little bit here? Other than that, ASL+Tastosis is just the best time of the year. Thanks Tasteless and Artosis for bringing this to us.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Best never got the gas when he took the 3rd main/expo. So when Light killed his 1 o'clock base about 58:35 he quickly was down to just the depleted gas in his main/natural. That's why by the end he was so zealot heavy. He was about 4 minutes with half to quarter of 1 base gas.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Also Shuttle/Light game 1 Shuttle didn't pick up his 3rd or 4th base gas. At 2:20:45 the guys talk about it too. He was about the last 2 minutes with only depleted gas.
To go along with what artosis said about the skill gap being larger the higher level you go, a valorant coach I watch said this that stuck out to me, “the journey from bronze to immortal is about the same gap from immortal to radiant. And another from radiant to pro play.” In the case of brood war a game that doesn’t seem to have a skill ceiling those gaps between the top 100 can be monumental
i used to hate watching sc broodwar...now its all i want in my life. SC2 really is slowly dying. Went from watching sc2 to being obssessed with broodwar. No love lost. Hope dan and nick keep commentating this for as long as possible.
My first star league finals I watched was JulyZerg vs Best. I remember the series as July wrecked Best 3-0. But great to see Best doing well. Him and Mini are my favs to win this.
Artosis understanding of TVP is pretty flawed, he keeps being surprised by all these attacks and complaining about that but the whole idea of the speed shuttle style is you can’t let terran max and that’s what they’re constantly trading
What a head-desk day for Light. Imagine losing to one of the weakest players in the whole round, only for that player to go on and throw the very next match...
I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of Upgrade Terran - seems like it could be good in situations where Toss isn't optimizing to bust Terran. Probably not against Best though lol
Would a build where you massed floating buildings and used command groups of units under them so they couldn't be clicked be a feasible build in bw for terran
Damn good 2nd game Best vs Light. Protoss could have probably had a much easier win if he just held the early game containment and not allow the Terran to get the 4th base @ 5 o'clock. 52:40 With the early advantage he already had when Terran failed the initial push, he could have just held a wider defensive arching position at center, spam more gateways and just macro pump and flood out with a better zealot/goon/tamplar ratio army and aggressively trade with Terran whenever he tries to come out while limiting him to only 3 bases. Eventually the minerals will dry out and I think he could have easily won out in the trade war. He sacrificed too much muscle and allowed Terran to catch up by focusing on quick stargates 2 arbitors instead of macro pumping and replenishing his center army.
51:56 “Best” talked about this on yesterday’s stream. He accidentally forgot the Storm upgrade. So it is said that he gave up the battle and built the 2 Stargate right away
Group selection players did not say light and snow are best. They said it off players that were Not seeded. Soulkey is up there with light and snow,artosis. For seasons now soulkey is top 3 and potentially best player rn.
Two maxed armies moving into position. Ten seconds later, 180 supply to 100 supply. Shuttle played Shuttle 😂 Poor guy just cannot control his inner UngaBunga brain.
@@snaffu1 Yeah, that was so much Shuttle like, "caveman press a1a2a3!!!!1!!!!111!" Light underestimated him, while Rush did not it seems. And maybe it's a confidence thing, but Shuttle played much better vs Light. If he was on that level of play vs Rush we could have even bigger upset in our hands or so I feel.
one small thing that would be easy to do to make these casts better is to use a communication program with reduced lag, the slight silences between you guys kinda sucks and would be easy to fix
I like all the players in this group, I know Shuttle isn't on par with the rest, Rush is my favourite player, Best is like the Bills as the perennial easily likeable team of everybody so I was cheering for him, and then Light is just so good so I couldn't figure out how I wanted the group to work out but I was ok with the outcome, I need my guy to win a championship, Mini is another favorite player of mine and when I watched their finals I was rooted for mini because he had been there twice already and I figured Rush would just get the next one but that hasn't happened yet and he's due.
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I am so shocked by how much I love the ASL now, when I only used to really watch the GSL religiously. This is great. Tastosis forever!
The angry artosis T-Shirt guy getting filmed right after what Best said about moving on the bridges with no plan was golden 😂
I want to buy that lol
Timestamp 1:49:52
Yeah, good catch!
That was actually so funny 😂
Nobody said there was no plan though. He stated his plan clearly.
We ain't sleepin' tonight peeps! Let's go ASL!
Hahahaha LFFGGGG
Amen to that!
The first Light vs. Best game was seriously one of the sickest games I've ever seen, the arbiter recall onto Lights army + stasis was like a protoss wet dream
Best really is the best Macro Protoss. That goon movement was INSANE. He's everywhere! Shuttle played extremely well vs Light. He missed the 3 tank sneak out, got dropped, had to cancel his 3rd, and Sill managed to go carrier and get a third. Such a good game.
Shuttle did not play well against Light. He was his usual goofy self. Light played quite horribly after his loss to Best, which likely Tilted him.
@@utarian7 He played hella well dude. 8 gate MAcro while going carrier somehow securing a third and somehow taking huge fights in the map buying time for carrier. I mean Light didn't play super well, but common "Quite horribly" ? Ok so that 3 tank moveout dodging the observer, canceling the third, and then doing a drop right after killing a bunch of probes is "Quite horrible"? He played really well too.
@@alexfriedman2152 No man this was not Light anywhere near his best. Light at his best wrecks Mini, and utterly destroys Rain. Light at his best, as artosis put it, has an inevitability about him. That was felt in the first game against Best. But against shuttle, he made dubious decisions. The move out was strange in the first game. The 2nd rax blind to him, transparent to shuttle, was awful, but it worked because Shuttle was even worse with his refusal to cannon. The third map Light should have vetoed (I'm counting that as bad play).
The term GatewayMan will never get old xd
It's a decent build against FactoryMan. 😊
GatewayMan t-shirt when?
Man that game from Light vs Best has been one of the best TvP i've ever seen. Amazing back and forth
Getting that epic tag once falcon covers it ...
PROOOOOOOOOOOTOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Recall so broken you can get dummied but then just teleport an army into someone else's base lmao.
@@malekiththeeternityking5433when you leave your base and have no defense back home, its definitely a huge vulnerability
@@Supahvegetah Doesn't change the fact that Recall is busted as hell
really enjoyed tasteless's analysis in the first two games. offered a lot of great information. great cast!
Oh boy I've heard artosis gush about Light being the best player in the world every single day I can't wait to finally see him play!
how many times does light need to get knocked out for light to not be the best player anymore
@@andrewzhang8280i'm wondering the same thing... he's good but he choked 2 ASLs in a row...
I keep thinking the same thing! I'm a great fan of Artosis, but he keeps gushing and I keep wondering how the "clearly best Terran" can keep getting his a$$ handed to him. It's not like Light is getting cheesed; he's just getting out-thought and out-played, over and over. Very weird.
@@SplashJohn The thing is that all of the pros also say that Light is the best player. Seeing him perform so under expectation is disappointing, but Artosis isn't just talking out of his ass about Light.
Rush is already a better Terran player than Light.
Enjoyed artosis leaning into his stream “character” for a second in response to that great custom t shirt lmao
Timestamp pretty please?
Edit: 1:12:56
caster character left his body instantly upon seeing that shirt hahaha
Heh, nice to open my feed and see Group C posted 22 seconds ago!
Spoiler
So happy to see Best perform just like in KCM where he's kept smashing all the best Terrans this year.
He clearly was hyper focused, controlled all his units all the time all over the map, and that multi-Arbiter recall was glorious.
Get ready to see a lot of mirror matchups of P and Z in this and future ASLs. Terran is looking seriously underpowered in the current meta at the top level.
@@jasonschocker941idk, I thought that the player who played better won all games of this day, no? Besides the 2 rushes between best and rush I guess
@@jasonschocker941 Terrans just play bad, Light so overrated this season imo. There was not 1 match where he played up to his skills in this ASL.
It's amazing how after the golden era, where Terran bonjwas kept appearing one after another, we're suddenly in an era where Terrans aren't really even competitive. It's probably the most micro intensive race though, so I can kinda see why: there's nobody with the control of peak Flash or Xellos or Oov, or even Nada or Boxer (though of course they benefited of a far less developed scene and less skilled opponents) around. Like Flash is physically incapable of that nowadays post-wrist surgeries (he IS only 31 so otherwise, once he gets his rust off, he could still be a top force since he's smart as hell) and the others are already 40+ (okay, Xellos is only 39) so their physical abilities have inevitably deteriorated. And no new truly impressive (to bonjwa-levels) Terrans have appeared since BW Remastered while we have the likes of soulkey and sn0w, who have done great for their respective races.
The 360p Tasteless only adds to the flavour of the casting
I think the Best vs Light game is just a revolutionary late game PvT approach. Theoretically, if T manages to max-out in the 200 against 200 supply late game fight, the victory is almost secured. However, Best proves that buying time for Arbiter recall to the main base and destroy deports to create a long time supply block for Terrace is really good late game approach which have huge damage on economy and cut-off resupply for over 2-3 minutes of Terrence army that leads to significant Protoss advantage. Really epic game by Best.
also the recall looked really bad at first but in retrospect Best knew exactly what he was doing. Light would have won a massive base trade if Best had done a huge recall
Yes, if T is getting close to maxing out, P must attempt to out-flank. Attacking head first into a mined up meat grinder is not going to work.
The recall to the main destroys over 110 supply of deports. At first, Light didn't even care much and continue pushing to the main of Best, Considering no damages on the factories or other natural. However, the next 2 minutes completely change the game, the 110 supply-block makes Light spend over 1500 minerals to rebuild deports and cut-off of resupply. The end game approach of Best in late game is really revolutionary and efficient.
glad to see shuttle channeling his inner Chi Long Qua by running simulations in his head before playing these games
Lol what a reference
Thank you Best for creative arbiter use. Overall I admire Best for stepping on the gas and purely outvaluing his opponent once the opportunity presents itself, and no later. Losing to that kind of bald-faced fundamental play forces people to reassess and metas to shift. In regards to Light, you must appreciate never handing the enemy the gun with mine placement. Also good guy Shuttle letting Light keep his assimilators LOL
So where do we get the PROTOSS CAN DO ANYTHING! shirts?
I want to know this as well
I'm surprised neither of them have that in their merch shops.
Fantastic analysis on that Rush vs Shuttle game.
i hope we keep getting ASL for at least 10 years more, goated game
I just watched some games/casts from Season 13 and I really appreciate the higher ingame sound volume. It 's just a little more immersive. You guys agree that the ingame sound could be cranked up a little bit here? Other than that, ASL+Tastosis is just the best time of the year. Thanks Tasteless and Artosis for bringing this to us.
Great cast! Thank you ASL!
What an epic 2nd game between Best and Light… unbelievable.
It was intense. I can't believe ignoring gas late is viable, then Shuttle does it too lol.
@@Zraknul what u mean? Ignoring gas late?
@@TRYCLOPS1 Best never got the gas when he took the 3rd main/expo. So when Light killed his 1 o'clock base about 58:35 he quickly was down to just the depleted gas in his main/natural.
That's why by the end he was so zealot heavy. He was about 4 minutes with half to quarter of 1 base gas.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Also Shuttle/Light game 1 Shuttle didn't pick up his 3rd or 4th base gas. At 2:20:45 the guys talk about it too.
He was about the last 2 minutes with only depleted gas.
@@Zraknul got it. Didn’t even notice lol. Long video haha but thanks for explaining
Every ASL i find myself ALWAYS rooting for best.
Amazing Ro16! I always think Ro16 is always the most exciting
Tastetosis open is like a vist to the eye doctor and getting eye test seeing tasteless in low P😅
Tasteless is going tomato faced trying to upscale his webcam
To go along with what artosis said about the skill gap being larger the higher level you go, a valorant coach I watch said this that stuck out to me, “the journey from bronze to immortal is about the same gap from immortal to radiant. And another from radiant to pro play.” In the case of brood war a game that doesn’t seem to have a skill ceiling those gaps between the top 100 can be monumental
Take a drink every time Tasteless says a strategy or a micro move is "an older style"
Cure smiles are the best smiles
" a reaver is a reaver" - Tasteless 2024
You mdfkrs, i was about to sleep, now i wont 🔥🔥🔥
It's amazing that there are nerds who didn't like the fact that Remastered added a clock. Wow. 😂
Putting in overtime for this ro
Amazing Group. Thank you Tastosis!
keep up the amazing work guys... i laughed a ton. "I can see my streaming..." SC BW is not dead
TVP heaven...my favourite match..
i used to hate watching sc broodwar...now its all i want in my life. SC2 really is slowly dying. Went from watching sc2 to being obssessed with broodwar. No love lost. Hope dan and nick keep commentating this for as long as possible.
great cast and some really enjoyable games
OMG those games deffinately were gamed by the players. Amazing!
57:15 Did I just watch an Arbiter legit shoot down a science vessel?
Nice catch! That's the first time I've ever seen an arbiter kill anything
It was in the red but yes.
3+ hours? Yeah that's gonna be some TvT right thar.
surprise!
wrong ;)
Thank you Tastosis for doing this.
Artosis is my favorite. Greetings from Bodø🇳🇴
This ASL is fuckin great!
Great games! Thank you!
Can we appriciate the girls dress?
That proud Terran player with my fellow countrymen in the backgroound.....chef's kiss.
1:38:20
"Yea that's true actually, I know all about that one. Its painful actually"
I'm dying lmfao 😭 you can literally hear the pain in his heart
My first star league finals I watched was JulyZerg vs Best. I remember the series as July wrecked Best 3-0. But great to see Best doing well. Him and Mini are my favs to win this.
Petition to set face camera of Tastosis above the unit frame!
Artosis understanding of TVP is pretty flawed, he keeps being surprised by all these attacks and complaining about that but the whole idea of the speed shuttle style is you can’t let terran max and that’s what they’re constantly trading
And you're S rank?
"Artosis keeps complaining" sorry but you just lost all credibility
But shuttle traded stupidly, and didn't even have many shuttles in the first place. Or speed even.
It was really difficult to resist watching this with no translation. Hype.
1:12:55 haha 😂
Thanks I was looking for that
Where was the spoiler block?
Raining all day. ASL new VoD life is good! lol
nice way to start a new day :) good morning everyone :D
2 out of the 3 people I hope to win each season are here. Rush Best and Shine. I hope this goes over well.
Shuttle was the best pick that Rush could’ve picked
What a head-desk day for Light. Imagine losing to one of the weakest players in the whole round, only for that player to go on and throw the very next match...
It was sad indeed.
Didn't catch this last night gonna call off to work today😅 let's go Light
Pics taken before and after ASL comes out:
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Finally! Group C!!!
When FlaSh will come back ?
Protoss can do ANYTHIIIIIING!
Great games!
sad for Light :(
THANK YOU TASTOSIS, THANK YOU ASL! STARCRAFT FOREVER
Is it possible to get the shirt Tasteless is wearing??
I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of Upgrade Terran - seems like it could be good in situations where Toss isn't optimizing to bust Terran. Probably not against Best though lol
Guys from Poland! Hello! Great to see there! I Will be there one day I swear! :)
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1:45:00 Artosis talking about not rushing nexus 2 gate.
Fun fact: Artosis channel he reacted to FlaSh and NaDa talking about this same discussion.
Would a build where you massed floating buildings and used command groups of units under them so they couldn't be clicked be a feasible build in bw for terran
Bro with the shirt!!😂
Serious question, but why does ASL format include Bo1 games? GSL, for example, has Bo3. Thanks.
Amazing Best vs Light match !
good games,tx for cast
YES !! Recall on the army !! why do they never do this !!
the shuttle smack-talk is unreal
Dxracer
sh1ttle is bad, wow
WHERE IS THE MOBILE SPOILER BLOCKER PEOPLE UPVOTE IT
Really impressed that [spoiler] successfully typed gg in the last match, was really worried for a bit there.
Best, "zealots are pretty good"
gg
Damn good 2nd game Best vs Light. Protoss could have probably had a much easier win if he just held the early game containment and not allow the Terran to get the 4th base @ 5 o'clock. 52:40
With the early advantage he already had when Terran failed the initial push, he could have just held a wider defensive arching position at center, spam more gateways and just macro pump and flood out with a better zealot/goon/tamplar ratio army and aggressively trade with Terran whenever he tries to come out while limiting him to only 3 bases.
Eventually the minerals will dry out and I think he could have easily won out in the trade war. He sacrificed too much muscle and allowed Terran to catch up by focusing on quick stargates 2 arbitors instead of macro pumping and replenishing his center army.
51:56 “Best” talked about this on yesterday’s stream. He accidentally forgot the Storm upgrade. So it is said that he gave up the battle and built the 2 Stargate right away
PROTOSS CAN DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!
A little sad about Light
2:34:07 I want this to come up every time Artosis complains about balance and/or the protoss race.
3:15:00 my God! That last Shuttle play was as good as New Gettysburg if Tassadar actually attacked Terrans.
Shuttle played very well. It's the death group after all...
Group selection players did not say light and snow are best. They said it off players that were Not seeded. Soulkey is up there with light and snow,artosis. For seasons now soulkey is top 3 and potentially best player rn.
I legit think Soulkey has a really good chance for being the best in the world right now. The dude just feels like the most complete top player rn
@@TS0ciety i know. Arty is not seeing straight. Especially in live environment soulkey is n1 in the wotld imo
Wild games! Protoss really can do anything!
New ASL vid? This calls for an ice cold Cerveza Cristal
Shuttle played valiantly
Two maxed armies moving into position. Ten seconds later, 180 supply to 100 supply. Shuttle played Shuttle 😂 Poor guy just cannot control his inner UngaBunga brain.
@@snaffu1 Yeah, that was so much Shuttle like, "caveman press a1a2a3!!!!1!!!!111!"
Light underestimated him, while Rush did not it seems. And maybe it's a confidence thing, but Shuttle played much better vs Light. If he was on that level of play vs Rush we could have even bigger upset in our hands or so I feel.
Good for Shuttle to practice so much in his head!
1:13:00 "guy in the chat" moment.
I want to go to 1080p so that Tasteless is hi res like Artosis, but when I do, Artosis is still higher res!
2 and a half hours of tastetosis roasting shuttle with his ungabunga tactics xd
one small thing that would be easy to do to make these casts better is to use a communication program with reduced lag, the slight silences between you guys kinda sucks and would be easy to fix
Long live tastosis
I like all the players in this group, I know Shuttle isn't on par with the rest, Rush is my favourite player, Best is like the Bills as the perennial easily likeable team of everybody so I was cheering for him, and then Light is just so good so I couldn't figure out how I wanted the group to work out but I was ok with the outcome, I need my guy to win a championship, Mini is another favorite player of mine and when I watched their finals I was rooted for mini because he had been there twice already and I figured Rush would just get the next one but that hasn't happened yet and he's due.
2:34:38 / 3:46:54 could shuttle just rebuild the assimilator?
I understand that Troy map can get difficult with gas geysers killed, but wouldn't it be a thing to rebuild them with scv and regain units flow?
No, you can't.
SCVs can build Assimilators?
Wait... EMP saps the energy from a protoss unit too, not just the shield?
Yes.
Whatever happened to the timestamp heroes, haven't seen them once in any of this ASL season's casts :'0
Spoiler blocker right at the front of the natural choke!