That is some nice trivia !!! I've typed this code a gazillion times back in the day and it never occurred to my what cwal was. Thanks for revealing that.
It made me laugh at 2:07:58 when arty says the factory is late, yet you see it floating not more than 30 seconds later. Great cast and great games. Thanks tastosis!
Yeah. Translating is hard. I speak Korean pretty well, not quite like a native speaker, but well enough to translate. It's hard cuz like Korean doesn't always translate perfectly and it sounds weird when you say it in English sometimes.
@@alexfriedman2152 yeh i know. Korean is, I would say, very incompatible with European languages. Translator did a tremendous job in considering the context and making it into comprehensible english sentences whilst doing the justice of the original meaning of the spoken Korean. This requires a lot of effort and talent.
@@정여훈-m1z Agree. I translated SaiyanSC's videos once or twice and even easy stuff like "수고 하셨습니다~" I was like Umm "You put in WORK!" But that doesn't sound right lol but then if you just say "Good job" That doesn't work either.
@@alexfriedman2152 haha yes 수고하셨습니다 is the trickiest one to translate because it is used in many different contexts. In some cases it is literally 'appreciate your hard work' or 'you did a good job', but in many other cases it is rather a farewell word like 'see you next time'. And yes I think I did see your ID in one of the Saiyan's videos. Thank you for your work there! It helped me a lot learning English.
I don't contribute to money to this broadcast production for them to no longer provide subtitled translated. This voice-over translator is distracting. Remove him already.
Thank you for the quick uploads, guys! You don't even know how much happinnes you bring to my Tokio nights with these! I'm planning to go to Korea on April, so I might get lucky and land in Seoul at the right time to watch the semi-finals and the finals! That would be a dream come true! I'll make sure to write a message to the best casters on the whole planet
Love it guys! Laughed so much during the Best/Taengu match. Would love to see a bit of translation of the fan's signs in the audience, and for Tasteless to use the players names rather than referring to 'the terran' for example 🙏🙏love your work
I have a recommendation for these youtube videos once the matches start being best of 3 and best of 5 best of 7 or whatever. Add maybe 2 hours or so of a black screen to every video making them a standardized length, otherwise it's easy to tell when a player isn't gonna come back in a series if you see the yt video is almost over
The thing about Best’s misplacement was that you tend to lose the gateway in a hydra bust anyways. So he was behind… but not behind in an unsalvageable way
True, but in the moment it looked like Best was behind after that embarrassing building placement. It’s so frustrating so many good Protoss lose because of this lately. I think that Best sure got ahead until the lings got in his base. They also kept most of the zealots inside the base and Best also lost 1 zealot to those lings and that was not good at all. I think that the dark archon saved Best as that group of hydras was a bit scary. It would’ve surrounded Best’s army and force it to hide inside that third where it could’ve been locked in with a few lurkers and hydras, while the rest of the hydras cut all reinforcements and attacked the nat. So that malestrom grabbed a lot of the hydras grouped on the high ground, then storms wiped them out and really forced the rest of that army to flee that was the moment Best took the game in my opinion. Awesome game! Gonna have to watch it again well more calm, without the stress of thinking Best was done lol 😂
@@TRYCLOPS1 Action still had a good chance if he went into hive tech but instead just kept making hydras and lurkers and kept trying to end it, crashing into storm after storm.
imo also have to consider that sometimes when people make an embarrassing self-induced mistake like that, the fact that they already messed up can kind of help them refocus and kill any nerves they might have - kind of like "shoot, i already screwed up badly, well, what can go worse? let me just try to do whatever i can" - in other words, I think it might have helped Best to bring out his best play after. not only did he do the zealot damage, but he balanced his army's make-up and positionings well to hold off Action, and successfully guarded a 3rd base that you could easily argue to be difficult (but I think the other close-by potential 3rd didn't have gas, which I don't think the casters mentioned). whereas if he's not on 11gate and his spellcasters fall without being effective, I think it could've easily snowballed in the other direction technically just theory, but that's kind of the vibe I got - and it connects with that "I'm just going to try and play relaxed" feeling I've heard a lot. if you've already messed up bad enough it wouldn't be weird to lose outright, there'd be no fear of failure to inhibit you from just focusing on the game and playing the best you can (obviously though it still has to be a recoverable position - which it was because he didn't get busted entirely - and I do think the timing of the nexus you mentioned was a boon to that too)
@@Fireshrine yea gotta love this game at that level. Every little thing matters. Action also sat on his butt and thought he had this in the bag and didn’t think he had to transition to Hive tech.
Where's Group D?! You guys have been three groups behind StarCast TV for over a day now. I'm willing to wait for Tastosis...but don't forget Nyoken is a better player.
Nyoken and Gypsy are doing it better over on StarcastTV English. I've been watching Tastosis for years but I just switched. The commentary is better and the audio balance is better.
Great commentary, great games:) I will just wait for you guys, thats means a few days later than actual:(. Broodwar is not broodwar without you TastosisxD
guys, I KNOW you mentioned in another vid you're getting them out quicker but like come on! Starcast will be my new feed for ASL, you take wayyyyyyyyyy too fuckin long to upload.
Takes you guys too long to release the new vod starcast is quicker, they already release group e and you guys still haven't released group d, get on it boys 😅😅
Spoilers The winners match up is a rematch of my ALL TIME FAVORITE ASL match. The Original Ogre Zerg Gamer game where Tasteless brought Artosis to tears explaining Ogre Zerg Gamer for the very first time. I'm SOOOOOO Hyped to see Action and Best at it again.
1:37:24 The question about the lack of map variety in other esports is an interesting one. I think at least part of it is because even though the map doesn't change in something like League of Legends, the champions do. Contrast with Brood War; where the races are always going to be the same. There are no new units to shake up the meta, so maps are the ONLY way to shake things up, mechanically.
It feels like SK Terran is so good if you mix in continous battlecruisers lategame, especially if you upgrade them so they one shot scourge and just mostly use attack move with them from positions hydra's can't overpower them, basically like carriers against goliaths.
When I was in high school, a friend (zerg) of mine death dropped, and I didn't notice on the minimap because his colour was brown and blended in with the brown map. Shift-Tab ever since 😂
As an ex-competitive Melee player, I can say that the barrier to entry for Melee is harder, but the barrier to become a top player is harder for Starcraft. To even have a chance to win in competitive Melee, you need to already purposefully look up techs like L-cancelling and wavedashing, which you could play for thousands of hours and never learn In SC, the improvement curve is more natural because you can just grind out games and naturally get higher APM and better, but you reach a point where the only way to get better is to move to Korea and train against the pros every day because their circle is so tight knit, whereas you can just play Netplay and match up with the best Melee players on earth
1:00:10 when he saw the ultras coming would walling with the 3 barracks (or even start new buildings with the scvs) he didnt use at the natural choke with tanks behind save him from being ultra smashed?
Myabe. But i dont think Ssak expected the Ultraling to come so hard and fast with a move command through all of the mines and also he didnt expect Action to have that many ultras as well. Main mistake was he transitioned too early to mech without a 3rd base and not enough standing M&M army. The moment he lifted his barracks i said to myself: Well, he is dead. Also loosing the 4 valks enabled the Mutas to comeback and do even more damage to his already low eco for a Mech game.
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the age of the soft drink has ended.
now the era of the chair begins
I will never not remember "Chillsung Cider... Chero!"
Finally, Artosis and Tasteless transcended the planet and can now cast from space.
Some say if you listen closely on a quiet evening, you can still hear "THE FACTORY DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE" whisper from the heavens. RIP Arty.
😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Loading screen backgrounds from sc2
Spacetosis
26:06 so funny this DT dying and then Tasteless getting told off by Artosis for being biased. XD
Man I love when they pump out content like this
videos arrive faster than lings in my base when pool was 150
been listening to these dudes talk about starcraft for like 15 years now that is wild! Glad yall still get to do it
Best is the only player to play in every 17 seasons of ASL!! truly a generational player.. never forgetting him❤
The viewership at 11 hours of this video being up is very encouraging. Brood war never die!
ASL still gets great numbers in korea too, brood war never die.
Cwal, based off the StarCraft cheat code, "operation cwal" meaning "operation can't wait any longer".
Ooooh, so that's what cwal stands for. Never knew (though I haven't searched either). Thanks!
That is some nice trivia !!! I've typed this code a gazillion times back in the day and it never occurred to my what cwal was. Thanks for revealing that.
@@Winnetou17 As a Starcraft nerd we discussed much of the lore at length playing the game since day 1
@@stambe8605 haha it blew my mind when I found out
show me the money!!
34:00 Artosis calling Protoss players apes live on the ASL. This man has no limits!
and prob the most inform player right now😂 this is too funny
Ever think artosis might just be total trash?
@@jamrock42447Not really no. I find he and Tasteless pretty entertaining.
@@jamrock42447
Eek eek, ook ook, to you too, fellow ape.
Spoiler blocker!
Thank you!
God’s work mah boi
❤
O7
I salute you sir
Nobody actually spoils. And if you noticed UA-cam is now cycling upvoted responses on the top comment, rendering your comment useless.
Considering player colors :
Terran - best colors are Purple and Magenta
Protoss - Cyal and Blue. Also Red.
Zerg - Orange. And Brown.
Thank you Tasteless for thinking of the casuals and explaining the pro terminology
It made me laugh at 2:07:58 when arty says the factory is late, yet you see it floating not more than 30 seconds later. Great cast and great games. Thanks tastosis!
great work on keeping up with broadcast letting us have eng comentary fast! best duo ever
the translator is on fire🔥🔥
Yeah. Translating is hard. I speak Korean pretty well, not quite like a native speaker, but well enough to translate. It's hard cuz like Korean doesn't always translate perfectly and it sounds weird when you say it in English sometimes.
@@alexfriedman2152 yeh i know. Korean is, I would say, very incompatible with European languages. Translator did a tremendous job in considering the context and making it into comprehensible english sentences whilst doing the justice of the original meaning of the spoken Korean. This requires a lot of effort and talent.
@@정여훈-m1z Agree. I translated SaiyanSC's videos once or twice and even easy stuff like "수고 하셨습니다~" I was like Umm "You put in WORK!" But that doesn't sound right lol but then if you just say "Good job" That doesn't work either.
@@alexfriedman2152 haha yes 수고하셨습니다 is the trickiest one to translate because it is used in many different contexts. In some cases it is literally 'appreciate your hard work' or 'you did a good job', but in many other cases it is rather a farewell word like 'see you next time'. And yes I think I did see your ID in one of the Saiyan's videos. Thank you for your work there! It helped me a lot learning English.
I don't contribute to money to this broadcast production for them to no longer provide subtitled translated. This voice-over translator is distracting. Remove him already.
TaEnGgu playing Treat - Roar as his theme music, this man is a real one!
Thank you for the quick uploads, guys! You don't even know how much happinnes you bring to my Tokio nights with these! I'm planning to go to Korea on April, so I might get lucky and land in Seoul at the right time to watch the semi-finals and the finals! That would be a dream come true! I'll make sure to write a message to the best casters on the whole planet
Love it guys! Laughed so much during the Best/Taengu match. Would love to see a bit of translation of the fan's signs in the audience, and for Tasteless to use the players names rather than referring to 'the terran' for example 🙏🙏love your work
TaEnGgu's choice of song brings me back to where it all started...
Flash made a suprise appearance and won ASL outright after 2 wins all opponents conceded. Sorry for spoilers 😢
Dude dick move spoiling like that man. Ruined the magic of it really.
Don't be sorry. This is the best news possible (I always root for Zerg)
Great casting as usual! Glad Artosis was able to reference Sea's wall from group A, always nice to see casters correct mistakes or details they missed
48:18 Shoutout to Nyoken and Gyp @ StarCraftTV English!
You guys are great, I hope we are here as old men. I am definitely going to patreon.
lol these interviews...great translation but i feel bad for some of these guys "soooo remember you totally suck right?" lol
And it's not even caster Park level yet! :D
Love this!! Also, figured out the intro song - it's "Vessel" by Infected. They've got some good taste over there!
GSL/ASL music always so good.
tasteless' maniacal laughter as artosis explains how dead the terran is 😄
Around 25:20 I think
I have a recommendation for these youtube videos once the matches start being best of 3 and best of 5 best of 7 or whatever. Add maybe 2 hours or so of a black screen to every video making them a standardized length, otherwise it's easy to tell when a player isn't gonna come back in a series if you see the yt video is almost over
this is what sucks with GSL
Really appreciate the translated interviews!
The thing about Best’s misplacement was that you tend to lose the gateway in a hydra bust anyways. So he was behind… but not behind in an unsalvageable way
God I just love Tastosis, the vibes are unreal
True, but in the moment it looked like Best was behind after that embarrassing building placement. It’s so frustrating so many good Protoss lose because of this lately.
I think that Best sure got ahead until the lings got in his base. They also kept most of the zealots inside the base and Best also lost 1 zealot to those lings and that was not good at all. I think that the dark archon saved Best as that group of hydras was a bit scary. It would’ve surrounded Best’s army and force it to hide inside that third where it could’ve been locked in with a few lurkers and hydras, while the rest of the hydras cut all reinforcements and attacked the nat. So that malestrom grabbed a lot of the hydras grouped on the high ground, then storms wiped them out and really forced the rest of that army to flee that was the moment Best took the game in my opinion. Awesome game! Gonna have to watch it again well more calm, without the stress of thinking Best was done lol 😂
@@TRYCLOPS1 Action still had a good chance if he went into hive tech but instead just kept making hydras and lurkers and kept trying to end it, crashing into storm after storm.
imo also have to consider that sometimes when people make an embarrassing self-induced mistake like that, the fact that they already messed up can kind of help them refocus and kill any nerves they might have - kind of like "shoot, i already screwed up badly, well, what can go worse? let me just try to do whatever i can" - in other words, I think it might have helped Best to bring out his best play after. not only did he do the zealot damage, but he balanced his army's make-up and positionings well to hold off Action, and successfully guarded a 3rd base that you could easily argue to be difficult (but I think the other close-by potential 3rd didn't have gas, which I don't think the casters mentioned). whereas if he's not on 11gate and his spellcasters fall without being effective, I think it could've easily snowballed in the other direction
technically just theory, but that's kind of the vibe I got - and it connects with that "I'm just going to try and play relaxed" feeling I've heard a lot. if you've already messed up bad enough it wouldn't be weird to lose outright, there'd be no fear of failure to inhibit you from just focusing on the game and playing the best you can
(obviously though it still has to be a recoverable position - which it was because he didn't get busted entirely - and I do think the timing of the nexus you mentioned was a boon to that too)
@@Fireshrine yea gotta love this game at that level. Every little thing matters. Action also sat on his butt and thought he had this in the bag and didn’t think he had to transition to Hive tech.
@@Fireshrine yeah I do think you got the psychology right here :)
First solid group games of ASL17, IMHO. Good stuff.
Spacebar is the single most important hotkey! Takes you to the last notification. Well I guess the attack hotkey is more important but still.
The banter before/in Game 1 is legendary
Where's Group D?!
You guys have been three groups behind StarCast TV for over a day now.
I'm willing to wait for Tastosis...but don't forget Nyoken is a better player.
GOOD ?
Loved the x-files reference, only 90's kids understand
Best duo commentators, I keep watching SCBW for the commentaries!
Nyoken and Gypsy are doing it better over on StarcastTV English. I've been watching Tastosis for years but I just switched. The commentary is better and the audio balance is better.
Thanks for casting guys!
You are the best!
Can't believe how good Tengu did against Best, really excited about new blood being so good
24:01 Artosis almost said shit ton lmao.
xd
Great commentary, great games:) I will just wait for you guys, thats means a few days later than actual:(. Broodwar is not broodwar without you TastosisxD
Kudos to the interviewer, even after a mistake doesn't even flinch for a second and keeps it rollin
Yeah! I just finished the podcast! LETS GO!
Oh, is there merchandise from the ASL S17? I need a Snow Jacket. :D
I want one where you push the middle and makes the Snow laugh like a greeting card :)
Thanks for the great commentary one again Tastosis!
any reason why these are released so slowly, when other casts are not ?
Exciting!! Thank you!!
guys, I KNOW you mentioned in another vid you're getting them out quicker but like come on! Starcast will be my new feed for ASL, you take wayyyyyyyyyy too fuckin long to upload.
Artosis casting DT drops is amazing LOL
Best commentators❤
Tastosis at 11:05
Let's goooo
Game 1 at 18:14
Game 2 at 46:24
Game 3 at 1:08:35
Game 4 at 1:33:00
Game 5 at 1:59:16
With the invention of custom binds… using space to go to the last action and binding your keys around that is insane
i love the dt banter
Takes you guys too long to release the new vod starcast is quicker, they already release group e and you guys still haven't released group d, get on it boys 😅😅
big true
what are they doing. I'm assuming this is a tasteless problem ?
@andrewdinns1746 tasteless wasn't at gsl so probably sick
Awesome games, awesome casting. Keep it up!
The opening of match 1 was HILARIOUS 😂😂
15:20 Roar was the song of one of the first GSL
Classic! Feels so nostalgic now 😢
Can’t wait for jinjin translation of pro reactions to wall in winner match lmao
Watching ❤❤
Please bring subtitles to group nominations !
why does it take so long to bring new episodes
I think of space bar as the "who said that?" button.
lol that's a good one
Yay!!!!! Asl and tastetosis!!!
Korea up in here like they just invented chairs
Love you Tastosis !!!❤❤❤
What if ssak had landed his barracks in front of the natural as a barrier while doing the switch to mech? Buy some more time maybe
When is group D coming?
Best part of the week
my body is ready
Action was in Estro with artosis right? I always find that awesome
I FREAKING LOVE ASL! BROOD WAR FOREVER!
48:21 StarcastTV shoutout.
They did mention it 😂
This feels like instance # 1 of it actually being crazy zerg when Artosis has predicted it being crazy zerg.
epic, best game evar
Tastosis , have Ziggy translate the group selection video also!
Spoilers
The winners match up is a rematch of my ALL TIME FAVORITE ASL match. The Original Ogre Zerg Gamer game where Tasteless brought Artosis to tears explaining Ogre Zerg Gamer for the very first time. I'm SOOOOOO Hyped to see Action and Best at it again.
Crazy zerg seems crazier than ever with Terrans getting good at using valks
That chair add 😂 dunno if it's ment to be a joke but I could totally see bring serious 😅
where is the others group game?
Group C let's goooooooo Terrans
Everyone talking about Starcraft when those chair commercials are stealing the show.
Ah I love you guys! Both Biased as every Starcraft player is XD
You guys should cast as they play live
Seems to me AfreecaTV gets more ASL views on SC1 then on SC2, at least on their youtube channel.
1:37:24 The question about the lack of map variety in other esports is an interesting one.
I think at least part of it is because even though the map doesn't change in something like League of Legends, the champions do. Contrast with Brood War; where the races are always going to be the same. There are no new units to shake up the meta, so maps are the ONLY way to shake things up, mechanically.
It feels like SK Terran is so good if you mix in continous battlecruisers lategame, especially if you upgrade them so they one shot scourge and just mostly use attack move with them from positions hydra's can't overpower them, basically like carriers against goliaths.
25:06 Tasteless laughing in the background 😂
When is Group D coming out?
GGs much love all!
Are there options for a one time donation as opposed to monthly? Please forgive my internet stupidity...
wheres the new vods?
26:01 Lmfao, a little bit of the Tilt-tosis coming out in the ASL's now
shoutout to tasteless for some great analysis in the winners match.
When I was in high school, a friend (zerg) of mine death dropped, and I didn't notice on the minimap because his colour was brown and blended in with the brown map. Shift-Tab ever since 😂
Artosis please find TvTs on Blitz Y to cast. I feel like you only get the idea of TvT on the map after like 10-30 games on it
Game 2 here was BRUTAL. There was an opportunity for the loser that they barely missed.
i think melee is the only game that takes longer than broodwar to be a pro, maybe its equal actually, like 7-8 years
As an ex-competitive Melee player, I can say that the barrier to entry for Melee is harder, but the barrier to become a top player is harder for Starcraft.
To even have a chance to win in competitive Melee, you need to already purposefully look up techs like L-cancelling and wavedashing, which you could play for thousands of hours and never learn
In SC, the improvement curve is more natural because you can just grind out games and naturally get higher APM and better, but you reach a point where the only way to get better is to move to Korea and train against the pros every day because their circle is so tight knit, whereas you can just play Netplay and match up with the best Melee players on earth
@@ruhtraeel i kinda agree but i think ultimately melee is harder at the top level too, the bw ladder is garbage tho
1:00:10 when he saw the ultras coming would walling with the 3 barracks (or even start new buildings with the scvs) he didnt use at the natural choke with tanks behind save him from being ultra smashed?
Myabe. But i dont think Ssak expected the Ultraling to come so hard and fast with a move command through all of the mines and also he didnt expect Action to have that many ultras as well. Main mistake was he transitioned too early to mech without a 3rd base and not enough standing M&M army. The moment he lifted his barracks i said to myself: Well, he is dead. Also loosing the 4 valks enabled the Mutas to comeback and do even more damage to his already low eco for a Mech game.
Still the greatest, guys
The @25 minutes DT / Armory bantz is the reason why I watch these two loveable idiots.
why Flash is not at ASL?
The in game audio this season is far too quiet.